Hey Zach, just wanted to say that your Marisa playlist is absolutely amazing even 8 months later, I think you covered practically every scenario you could encounter in matches. Thanks for the guides!
Of course. I want to make a corrections/things I missed video or stream or something because there definitely are things that I think about differently now, but for the most part I think they stand up pretty well.
Man i thought this was a meme video about only needing to hit MP as marisa to win. But jokes on me because it was super informative and i cant wait for your next upload.
Unless I'm missing an option this is also bad against OD reversals. Luke in the video you have can do his OD reversal after MP MP and it beats (almost) everything. You can do charged OD gladius and his reversal will go through it and you get a PC on his landing but that's the only thing I think. Haven't tested on anyone but anyone with more than 2 hits is gonna beat that option too. Ken can just OD DP for absolute free as far as I can tell.
I should have shown that in the video because now it seems like I either missed it or kept it out to lie to people. In actuality, most people will not DP every time. Secondly, I’m not convinced that my health is more valuable than their drive gauge. Thirdly, if they are mashing DP you can just do only one medium punch and bait out the DP.
@@ZachHenke I think when game is a bit older then good players may well do. Seeing MP MP blocked gives you plenty of time to react with an OD reversal if you've got one (or maybe super! If it hits in 8 frames or less). Great videos btw :)
@@henrybamford5253 I have a video processing right now that deals with some of the scenarios that may occur if a player is mashing on DP. Thanks for watching!
Awesome guide! Looking forward to more content bro im a tekken player struggling in my first SF game lol but im havin fun with marisa, these help alot!
There is one thing you didn't talk about in this video that's potentially very bad for Marisa, and that's invincible reversals that armor break, like juri or ken ex DP which armor break because of their multi hitting properties, or many different reversal supers, the scary part is you can't just bait them by doing an empty mp,mp because that by itself is -8, so many reversals will punish it raw if you try to bait it, and her only gapless special cancel without spending meter is her light 214p which isn't a low, so it won't catch them buffering a reversal and is death on block. This means marisa's only call out on a reversal in this situation is DR cancel into crouching Lk, which is a gapless low and therefor will hit somebody trying to buffer a reversal, but the reward is pretty low for 3 drive bars imo. She can technically multi hitting ex DPs with mp,mp DI for pretty good reward in these situations but that's hella risky in its own right, and it will just lose to a reversal super so.
All of that is true. These videos aren’t necessarily about end game stuff. They’re mainly a jumping off point for intermediate players. I do have another video going over DP. The main takeaway there is to only do one MP and force them to make a decision early. If people are worried about you stopping the TC and going into stance into command grab, they may not be ready to do a reversal.
@ZachHenke ahhhh I really like that solution. Instead of directly interacting with the DP situation just trying to mess with their mental stack instead, makes sense.
@@alexanderdenison2950 I think really good players will be able to deal with it, but then if you mix in crouch MP or b.HP so it’s not the only thing they’re thinking about, you’ll be able to get away with a lot.
Thank for the info, love them as a type of fighter that need to research the game but is terrible at lab work. I do have a questions about the mix up with using Superman Punch to counter Lows. Ive seen others show Superman Punch losing to 2MP pretty consistently. Are we missing something?
Been playing fighters for like 10 years and I consider myself pretty good, but I have never been good at being a lab monster so I really appreciate these videos! Really really hard to just 'play by feel' in this game so these videos are invaluable.
It seems to be a very bad match up for Marisa. I tried labbing the matchup and realized early on catching Dhalsims long range normals is pretty inconsistent and attempting it just adds a layer of mental stack that’ll get you set up. Better off using 214+K. It covers multiple options. You can anti air his teleport with her 2+HP but Dhalsim can easily bait it. I’ve find some success spamming her 636 +LP to close the gap but timing the armor to break through his limbs seems like a roll of a dice. There’s been times where it doesn’t seem to work at all even when timed correctly. Perfect parry seems to be the answer for the matchup but that’ll take some time.
@@dontpressbuttons8087 Thanks for the tips, yeah this match up feels like hell when they just do heavy lows and highs, cant jump eithers, and they just keep you at full screen. Just not enough DR gauge to push through.
If she blocks the uncharged punch she cannot punish Marisa, and Marisa can walk back out of range. However, if Marisa charges Gladius Manon can grab her out of it.
The good thing about it is that this will not perfect parry the charged Gladius or the Superman punch. Also, perfect parry combos do very little damage.
Hey Zach, just wanted to say that your Marisa playlist is absolutely amazing even 8 months later, I think you covered practically every scenario you could encounter in matches. Thanks for the guides!
Of course. I want to make a corrections/things I missed video or stream or something because there definitely are things that I think about differently now, but for the most part I think they stand up pretty well.
Man i thought this was a meme video about only needing to hit MP as marisa to win. But jokes on me because it was super informative and i cant wait for your next upload.
love your quick and straight to the point guidance. appreciate the vid!
Light punch gladius after the medium target combo gets blocked . . . That's going to be so huge for my game. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! I’ve got lots of Marisa content on the channel and more coming out all the time.
Unless I'm missing an option this is also bad against OD reversals. Luke in the video you have can do his OD reversal after MP MP and it beats (almost) everything. You can do charged OD gladius and his reversal will go through it and you get a PC on his landing but that's the only thing I think.
Haven't tested on anyone but anyone with more than 2 hits is gonna beat that option too.
Ken can just OD DP for absolute free as far as I can tell.
I should have shown that in the video because now it seems like I either missed it or kept it out to lie to people. In actuality, most people will not DP every time.
Secondly, I’m not convinced that my health is more valuable than their drive gauge. Thirdly, if they are mashing DP you can just do only one medium punch and bait out the DP.
@@ZachHenke I think when game is a bit older then good players may well do. Seeing MP MP blocked gives you plenty of time to react with an OD reversal if you've got one (or maybe super! If it hits in 8 frames or less).
Great videos btw :)
@@henrybamford5253 I have a video processing right now that deals with some of the scenarios that may occur if a player is mashing on DP.
Thanks for watching!
Laughed out loud at modern giefs rubbing their face on their controllers hitting special
Awesome guide! Looking forward to more content bro im a tekken player struggling in my first SF game lol but im havin fun with marisa, these help alot!
There is one thing you didn't talk about in this video that's potentially very bad for Marisa, and that's invincible reversals that armor break, like juri or ken ex DP which armor break because of their multi hitting properties, or many different reversal supers, the scary part is you can't just bait them by doing an empty mp,mp because that by itself is -8, so many reversals will punish it raw if you try to bait it, and her only gapless special cancel without spending meter is her light 214p which isn't a low, so it won't catch them buffering a reversal and is death on block. This means marisa's only call out on a reversal in this situation is DR cancel into crouching Lk, which is a gapless low and therefor will hit somebody trying to buffer a reversal, but the reward is pretty low for 3 drive bars imo. She can technically multi hitting ex DPs with mp,mp DI for pretty good reward in these situations but that's hella risky in its own right, and it will just lose to a reversal super so.
All of that is true. These videos aren’t necessarily about end game stuff. They’re mainly a jumping off point for intermediate players.
I do have another video going over DP. The main takeaway there is to only do one MP and force them to make a decision early. If people are worried about you stopping the TC and going into stance into command grab, they may not be ready to do a reversal.
@ZachHenke ahhhh I really like that solution. Instead of directly interacting with the DP situation just trying to mess with their mental stack instead, makes sense.
@@alexanderdenison2950 I think really good players will be able to deal with it, but then if you mix in crouch MP or b.HP so it’s not the only thing they’re thinking about, you’ll be able to get away with a lot.
Thank for the info, love them as a type of fighter that need to research the game but is terrible at lab work.
I do have a questions about the mix up with using Superman Punch to counter Lows. Ive seen others show Superman Punch losing to 2MP pretty consistently. Are we missing something?
This is so helpful. Thank you
Thanks for checking it out. I’ve got lots of Marisa content on the channel.
Your efforts are much appreciated mane! Coming from a fellow lab rat that had to put the game down a llittle too much now lol.
These videos are great.
Thank you for the compliment!
Thanks a lot for those great vids, I am really enjoying this content 👍
Been playing fighters for like 10 years and I consider myself pretty good, but I have never been good at being a lab monster so I really appreciate these videos! Really really hard to just 'play by feel' in this game so these videos are invaluable.
Yeah, AutoMattock said it well. This is a game where you have to learn to play the math. Fortunately, I’m a math teacher.
Just a tip the audio in the oki knockdown video is more preferred imo… not trying to bash you I love the Marisa content!
I was in a different room with a different mic position when I did this one. Let me know if the later vids have better audio.
Is confirming medium heavy after DR into another medium heavy a 1 frame?
As far as I’m aware, this game has a similar input buffer as SFV, so there aren’t any true one frame links.
Zach Henke There are some. Ken's jinrai loops have 2frame and 1 frame variations as an example
Great video, learned a lot, but how does one beat a super defensive full screen Dhalsim?
It seems to be a very bad match up for Marisa. I tried labbing the matchup and realized early on catching Dhalsims long range normals is pretty inconsistent and attempting it just adds a layer of mental stack that’ll get you set up. Better off using 214+K. It covers multiple options. You can anti air his teleport with her 2+HP but Dhalsim can easily bait it. I’ve find some success spamming her 636 +LP to close the gap but timing the armor to break through his limbs seems like a roll of a dice. There’s been times where it doesn’t seem to work at all even when timed correctly. Perfect parry seems to be the answer for the matchup but that’ll take some time.
To be honest, I haven’t really looked into it at this time because of the very few Dhalsim players. I can look into it.
@@dontpressbuttons8087 Thanks for the tips, yeah this match up feels like hell when they just do heavy lows and highs, cant jump eithers, and they just keep you at full screen. Just not enough DR gauge to push through.
Can Mannon punish Marisa with command grab the same way geif does?
If she blocks the uncharged punch she cannot punish Marisa, and Marisa can walk back out of range. However, if Marisa charges Gladius Manon can grab her out of it.
I think I saw Daigo perfect parrying the gladius after the MP Target combo :’(
The good thing about it is that this will not perfect parry the charged Gladius or the Superman punch. Also, perfect parry combos do very little damage.