Bought a Baikal o/u ten years ago full choke and half choke barrels. Never had any issues shot clays, pigeons, rooks etc no issues with it. Not into gun snobbery, does what it should do.
I sold my Baikal S x S just over a year ago and regretted it more than selling my Beretta 692 Black. Fun to use and no worries about damaging it getting it wet and not cleaning it for a couple of weeks. As you say everyone's got to own one once.
My friend and I learned to shoot with his fathers baikal. We used to hit more clays at 15 or 16 then we would now with much more expensive guns. My dad had one, a single barrel, he shot more pheasants when he went out with that baikal then he ever did with a double barrel. Solid, reliable and sends pellets down the field. We all get caught up in the gun porn but if you can't shoot extra €€€ isn't going to improve your shot. All that said, they are ugly looking things so if you can get over asthetics then baikal might be the cheapest but not the worst things. When my own gun malfunctioned last year, I relied on a baikal for the rest of the season - never failed, and I shot equally as dreadful :)
I have four Baikal guns. The stack barrel {over and under}410. The side X side 12. The single shot trap gun in 12 and a single in 20. They all hunt and shoot. They are snobs out there that will not speak well of the Baikal and speak poorly of a man that hunts one. They are tanks. Poor trigger? Yes. Clangy lock up? Yes. Ruff wood and poor checkering? Yes. Shoot straight and kill game? Hell yes! We have a school shooting team here. I loan out the trap gun to a kid I sponsor when needed. That Baikal has made four junior state collegiate trap champions in the last seven years. One of them shoots on the U.S. Marine trap and skeet team. Yep, cheap gun.
I own 4 original USSR shotguns: O/U TOZ-34 EP , 12 gauge O/U TOZ-34 , 28 gauge SxS IZH-58 ME , 12 gauge O/U IZH-27 , 28 gauge I can say with no doubt that these shotguns are among the most reliable and durable shotguns have ever been made.
Great review, great guns, i shoot an mp 153 and an ij27 in the north of the Netherlandd The mp153 is a real goosekiller with an EF Trulock aftermarket choke and Mirage T4 steelcartridge, shoot 1000 rounds a year, has never had any hickups, is cleaned max once a year and has no rust or corrosion, what a gun! The ij-27 once dropped of a driving car on the road, only a few scratches!! Love baikal (and lada)
Hi there. I am from Kazakhstan which has been part of the USSR for many years, these Baikals MP27 are very common here. I had one and no issues with it even in -35 degrees ))) better to buy non-ejectors because some times people have problems with ejectors. Good gun for hunting in hard conditions. Thank you for the video. For me just a dream to buy Browning b525 or b425. Dear folks from the west I found one b425 waterfowl 89 for supermagnum as I understand for 1160£ is this a good gun for clay shooting, I want to buy as all round gun. Thank you in advance! Good program by the way. I wish I could go to the shooting school during my study in Oxford :) but unfortunately at that time I didn’t know about English shooting culture.
My IZH-27 bought in 2002 was a single trigger and choke tube O/U. Very soon after purchase it would pop both ejectors even if only one round was fired, and one of the choke tubes 'swelled' after some firing to the point that it was hard to remove. Only lead shot was used, so it seems a material defect. The top rib was bowed right to left, and very soon after purchase the fore end developed a small longitudinal crack near the receiver iron. Despite all of this I shot it well and it pointed well.
They were and still are quite popular hunting and low budget hobby sporting shotguns here in Hungary (as well the Tula Arms Plant TOZ shotguns, but they are not so many around as Baikal/IZH ones). Pros: + cheap and reliable shotguns + they do the job + usually you can choose between single or double trigger, extractor or ejector, fixed or multichoke variants + they still are made in the 16 gauge! Cons: - USSR made ones were way much better than post-Soviet Russian made ones. In the Soviet Union you could find yourself in some Siberian labor camp if you made reject especially in a firearms factory. Nowadays Russia rather have "capitalist industry". Buy it, use it for 3-4 years than buy a new one after it's got loose or broke. - ejectors tend to break but no worries, they still work as an extractor after that - fit and finish quite crude especially on the wood side - USSR made ones were much nicer
Hello David, I own FOUR Baikal’s…..12 GA O/U, 20 GA O/U, 410 Bore O/U, 20 GA SxS…..they are built to shoot in almost any weather conditions. Of course they are intended to used in the field verses recreational shooting (Skeet, Trap, Sporting Clay’s). Here in the USA to find a Baikal for sale is virtually impossible because of the ban our government put in place of Russian firearms. I purchased all of mine several years ago and they ranged in price from $450 US to $600 US. These shotguns are not big on esthetics but to ‘go bang every time’ you pull the trigger!
I own two Baikals myself both 12ga one a mp 153 the other a o/u they both shoot beautifully. If I could I would buy more but like you said they are almost impossible to find in the states.
Hi have 2 bikikals one double trigger none ejector and single trigger ejector. Would never part with them great guns. Only thing I've had is the would spilts on the stock but apart from that brilliant guns.
I have two Baikal's a12g, and a 410. Both over/under. I love them both. I also have a Browning 12g and 20g O/U. I accually have had some trigger issues with the Brownings.
My daughters shot a Baikal, slip on recoil pad, comb adjusted using a bisley comb kit and a neoprene stock cover and it never lets us down. Id rather chuck tape and comb kits on a £150 gun for them to have some fun with (neither have a wish to be competition shots) and if they really get into the sport then I will invest a bit more. It does need to be anointed with vodka every once in a while though.
I ordered one used for $430 in the USA! 26 inch is a good parent and can shoot steel shots with open chocks for me. I have browning 30 inches(full chock is donger) and many others....
The Baikal Tundra guns were the best shotguns I ever had. It does not need oil in the mechanics and shoots the second barrel even when you have a misfire in the first. If you do not clean it and use it 2, 3 years later it will work. for sure.
Can you shoot steel shot through a fixed choke? Reason im asking is im looking at buying a old hilton gun company o/u as my first shotgun so will i be alright?
My uncle in law had a Baikal SxS. Here we go out to sea and hunt birds on boats. Anyway, they hit a wave, and a bit of sea water splashed up into the boat, he checked the barrel and there was a miniscule water droplet, smaller than what comes out of an eye dropper, and when he went to shoot it, the barrels flew clean off into the sea. He's had much larger drops of water in other guns and had no issues of that type. But, now his daily driver is a Baikal O/U, don't know the specific model, and he's also got an MP-155 lying around, he absolutely adores shooting both of them.
Hi Dave. I have got 2 of theese. One is 16 gauge, 37 years old, two trigger game gun with fixed chokes. Second is 12 gauge, fixed choke IŻ-27 Sporting, with porting in barrels. Many shooters in my origin country start theirs adventure in sport from that particullar one with succes. As you said, they are bulletproof. I have never had any problems with them. They maybe not so pretty like any italian or turkish guns, but they not afraid mud, rain, snow, and other bad conditions. Really, reliable, budget gun.
I bought this as a Remington SPR 310 for my first introduction to Sporting clays with my three brothers some 10-12 years ago. It has served me well at a price of $310. My only gripe was the action was very stiff in the beginning but has since loosened up. I get tired of the snobbery among many shooters. I bring out my Ruger revolver and they whip out their Colt or SW at twice the price. Like a Mossberg 500 it’s affordable and just works every time.
Nice vid 👍👍 I love the fact that you took the time and effort to review one of these old low end legends. Whilst I really enjoy the reviews of all the "shiny" guns that come through your door, its nice that the budget conscious and beginners haven't been forgotten 👌👌
Beginners aren't buying Baikals. They are buying £500 Ata/Yildiz. This chap is a top shooter. Give him a catapult and he'll break clays with it, so him shooting with a Baikal is cool to watch, but doesn't mean much for a newbie. Just my opinion 🤗
I bought brand new mp27m and its build like a tank . Its made by the izhevsk that makes the makarov and aks . Also the reciever is stainless steel not aluminium , heck even apple iPhone dumped aluminium for not being resistand and strong 😂 idk what those gun makers thing when they make the breaking part of aluminium
Enjoyed the video. Thank you. I am a big fan of Baikal and have a 12 guage side by side which I regularly use for dove anD partridge shooting. Also have a 20 guage side by side, an MP 153 semi auto 12 guage and a recently acquired 12 guage O/U sporter. Super reliable stuff by Baikal
Yep I had a baikal side by side it had tight chokes but I tell u I could really shoot with it bloody good on those longe range shots reluctantly sold it because of steel shot and the Russian guns tended to have really tight chokes If I could get one in quarter and half and alter the rear part of the trigger guard at the back because it use to hit my third finger behind the trigger guard quite bad still got the scare to prove I owned one
I have a Baikal MP-94, .410 bore over 22WMR. It is bulletproof and reliable. At 50 yards, I can put both a 3" 410 slug and a 22WMR through the same hole in a target without fiddling with the sights. However, it has never operated as the manual described. When you open the gun to load it, it cocks the mechanism for one barrel. In order to re-cock the gun for the other barrel, you either break it open or re-cock it using a separate trigger mechanism. If you re-cock it by breaking it open, then the barrel selector is functional. If you re-cock it using the trigger mechanism, then the barrel selector is not functional and will not change to the other barrel. A bit annoying, but I have had this gun for years and do not plan to part with it. Cheers!
I have a Baikal 16 Bore Side by Side hammer gun I bought brand new 47 years ago out of the Shooting Times magazine the price then was £36 and I still use that gun today more than any other gun I own, its had thousands of cartridges through it and the barrels are still like new, they are chrome lined barrels.
Purchased my first baikal Close to 30 years ago I have two 20s and a 12 gage I’ve shot 40 Grouse and well over 150 quail have easily put 2000 rounds through my first 20 gauge however now when I pull the single trigger off barrels fire I wore something out inside if I switch to the other barrel first only one barrel fires at a time. Found your video looking to learn how to fix my beloved gun. The 12 gauge has begun to act the same recently
Do some research and try to find a manual showing a break down schematic. Clean out all the old grungy oils and powder residues and those intermittent faults should go away once it's been cleaned and lubricated properly.
I have a later model Baikal O/U with 3" chamber, factory recoil pad, removable chokes, ejectors or extractors. It is bullet proof. I paid less than $450 Canadian for it. It shoots anything I put in it really well. I also have a S×S Baikal with fixed chokes, extractors, 2 triggers. It has served well over the years as a camp bear gun.
I purchased one about 15 years ago when Remington was importing them under the Spartan label. It is the sporting model with 32 inch ported barrels. It is built like a truck. After putting about 3000 rounds thru it at the trap and skeet range I decided to have my local gunsmith put a softer recoil pad on it. I also refinished the stock and fore end with a darker stain and tung oil at that time. I also bought after market chokes as well and upgraded the bead. I have killed geese, ducks, and crows with it as well. The only issues I have had it that it is still a bit stiff to open and the right side rib started to separate slightly at the front of the barrel which my local gunsmith fixed. I paid around $400 for it back then and it was well worth it.
When I bought my baikal OU ejected with 2 sets of barrels for 80 quid!!!! I weighed off the fact I don't shoot as often as I would like to and didn't want 500 quid Sat in my cabinet not being used.
I have a Remington Spartan, which is the same gun, mines a 20ga “competition” easily put 7000 rounds a year through it for about 14 years, never ever a hiccup, it did start out very rough on the break open action, now it baby butt smooth, Some of my shooters in our old gun club, still ask me when they see me, to sell it to them, so it made a good impression!
We have a yearly competition at my club called the baikal challenge where they use single barrel baikals they bought on auction for £5-£10. Its a lot of fun and I guess if you can't shoot the targets you can always just chuck the gun at them as a last resort...it'd still work after that 😅
Yep, the North Cotes Butts Baikal Challenge is certainly a good day out and the whole family can participate, there's also a pretty good barbie so you're well fed.
I do like your videos Thanks for sharing just picking up a side by side one off these in 2 week's just waiting for permit to acquire to come in not the best gun but just fun for plinking around my sister farm but I did get a New boito 410 Under And over had that one for 3 week's now and love IT thanks again for your great video's from Michael in Australia
Cracking vid can't understand why people look down on them. Have a Tula Toz66 hammer gun (down has a Baikal on my ticket) love shooting it and always gets admiring glances🤣 like it more than my Brownings
Much more fair and practical review that the other snotty British review I saw earlier. You Brits have no clue the kind of environment these guns are made for….and yes they’re made to be cheap because the people who use them aren’t rich enough to pay 150 pounds more than something is worth, just because it has some fancy engraving. It’s a gun to shoot, and live it’s life in some wood cabin. If one of those guys tested one of your guns for a couple years, he’d probably give one crappy review when it broke while he was trying to feed himself.
I own 3 of baikals and only one has accurate barrels. No warranty, no guarantee that it shoots accurate for a new gun. Seen guns with broken firepins, so i would not to overexadurate the reliability. Quality of the guns varies a lot.
I saw an IZ 27, 20 gauge, brand new, in a used gun rack like 20+ years ago, for $175.00. I didn't think I could go wrong. While certainly not my 525 or Ceasar Summit, or an ancient Citori, it has performed very well. Never an issue, decent mechanical triggers, the upper barrel selection by pressing the trigger forward, I removed the auto-safety, and used for registered skeet a couple of times (96, 97), it has always gone bang. And it's cool to have something no one else has.
Had my one second hand 22 years ago for £60 used it daily as my work gun it's had a hard life out in all weather had nothing more than a wipe over with a bit of gun oil never failed to work
Love my S/S cal !6. Bougt it 30 years ago as a second hand. 50 euros and still going. Its 60 years old now so its like less than one euro a year ;). Some cracks in the wood but dosent matter. NEWER CLICKED and NEWER done a repair.
I've owned both SxS (IJ-58) and O/U (IJ-27) USSR guns. They are solid as a rock, although problems with the O/U are common such as misfiring, happened to me and to other guys I know. The firing pins in the O/U are spring loaded and these go bad from time to time. Got mine rectified by replacing the springs. The SxS on the other hand is a wonderful gun, NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!!. Sold my O/U last week.
I have a Baikal MP 18 12 guage single shot. Cut the 28 inch barrel down to 18.5 inches and it's my back pack gun. Purchased some adapters from Staight line and can shoot 20 guage down to 22lr. Such a versatile gun and tough as nails. It works great here in the mountains of Kentucky.
I own a baikal sxs and enjoy using it. Only problem is im not a very good shot 🤣 still fun and different when I go to shoot clays and im the only person with a sxs
If you think the guns are good, the old Baikal cartridges were even better. “Kills at both ends” I think was their motto. 5’s muzzle flashed like a 88 and nearly as loud.
I remember being given a box of baikal cartridges & shooting a high duck. When i retrieved it it had some serious damage. I opened one of the cartridges at home & the pellets had congealed together!. Answered why i had been missing a few things but the ones that were hit stayed hit!!
Show me the patterns at 20 yards - that both barrels are on track to converge 60/40 at appropriate distance. Then I'll believe it's a good buy. I bought a Yildiz from Academy Sports because of your recommendation. It's at Briley, the USA warranty center because it shoots 60/40 upper, 40/60 lower. You have to aim high on the clay to hit anything with the bottom barrel. Doug, do you think a low-cost gun should be properly regulated? Next time you talk to the yildiz rep, show him this post. And please, do us all the favor of taking your test guns to the pattern board: 3 shots, each barrel, off a rest, 13 or 20 yards. Same sight picture for each shot. At 20 yards, my Citori 725 nails 60/40 perfectly when I figure 8 the beads. I guess you can show the Browning rep this post too :)
I have two of them one over and under with cutted barrell at 61.5cm for woodcock hunting and one mp155 for duck hunting l will never change these guns not if someone gives me for gift another more expensive. They are very solid i have them for many wears and in the cold weather they shoot better than other guns and never break
There is a Biakal out there somewhere that was lenghened with an offcut of Turkish walnut and a hand fitted rubber butt pad put on by an apprentice at Boss in his lunch break, the 2" bit of wood is worth more than the gun. 😂
I have 2 , my side by side that I've had for over 35 years and a under and over that I've had for well over 20 years both faultless , not pretty and fancy free but faultless shooting
i bought a bakial 610 , double trigger non ejector out of the shooting times in the very early 80s paid i think £120.00 with 500 free cartridges 250 black record and 250 pink record , i think the wood work finally fell apart in the early 2000s an amazing gun and i shot everything with it .
I bought one over twenty years ago and it was one of those guns you could put up to your shoulder, look at the target and you hit it! I then got into muzzle loading clays (in New Zealand) and eventualy I had a custom single ML shotgun made by John Jones (RIP John). It fitted me like a glove and was national champ for many years. Now it comes out on opening day on ducks plus on our beaters day on Craigmore Staion. Thinking about purchasing a 20ga baikal izh-27em-1c. Do you know if it's the same size action as the 12ga, or is it a slimed down version please? Have been enjoying your video's, so thanks for those.
Quite a funny story actually one of the guys I shoot with fairly regularly was saying to me he doesn’t understand people that clean their guns after every use he cleans his maybe once a month- so there we are all cleaning our barrels etc I’m helping my friend with his Webley 700 and I see this guy just stuffing his baikal back into the slip after a cursory wipe haha but why would you probably cheaper to get another gun than replace some stuff, particularly as he got it for free
I use MP 27 12/76.... Cheap, robust. The tank of shotguns. What you can't hit, you can beat to death with it. It is also excellent for rowing in an emergency. Flawless at -22 degrees and at +44 degrees. It does not require the fine gun oil. It's fine even with the cheapest one. And it is designed for a pressure of 1350 bar. You can shoot anything with it...
Saw an over under in a gun store/pawn shop in North Carolina several years back. .30-06 over 12gge. with that lovely dark walnut. Don' remember the brand but I'm sure it was either Russian(most likely Baikal, he had Baikal ss shotguns) or maybe Turkish(?). Sure wish I had taken the plunge back then. I think it was around $225.00 which was a lot back in my younger days. I like the design of rifle over scattergun the other way makes no sense. Maybe I'll run across one again.
I bought one a month ago and I have problems with the ejectors, they were both automatic but suddenly one of them stopped working,the gun is brand new...I guess I m gonna see a gunsmith soon
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq they didn't tell me what was wrong but it was fixed for free anyways. I don't think it wasn't clean, I clean the gun every time a shoot it, also the gunsmith of the shop I bought it didn't know what was wrong so he sent it to the official dealer to check it out.
@@kostasvorniotakis4157 I have a Turkish made semi 12g that I bought cheap because the bolt would jam shut and whether live or fired, the shell was trapped in the breech. I thought that was a bit of a challenge...and the price was very low. I field stripped it and cleaned and lubed it. As soon as I experienced this..the shell had luckily been fired ...I had to mortar the butt on the ground to acheive sufficient force to move the bolt backward..gravity being a good friend for once. The extractor had a full fracture but in such a way that only full disassembly and removing the pin on which it rotated revealed the break....and it would only jam the bolt intermittently. Went to a gunsmith chosen at random... "Ah yeah, here's the improved replacement...no charge." Hasn't mssed a beat since then...
I bought an IJ27 through an on-line sale which had a stipulation that the buyer had to pick it up. His stipulation of "pick up only" had scared off other buyers as he lived well away from any population centre. I paid and then communicated with the owner.....some 600 miles away. He had used the gun on an orchard to shoot birds for over 20 years. In that time he had never cleaned it as he did not know how to break the gun down!!! I sent him the instruction manual and he emailed back 20 minutes later "That was simple". I then for an extra $20 got him to package and send the gun to me once I had sent him the Police-required paperwork. I did strip it right back and washed out the accumulated crud...then lubricated it and the gun worked faultlessly... It was my second one...an earlier one also in great condition had gone to a friend who had a rural property and neded a shotgun right away....he still has it and still uses it 40 years later.....
Now we’re talking real guns not show peace’s, it’s not the Bow it’s the Indian 👍🏻 how’s about a skit where ye get a top shooter in disguise with a baikal in a competition against the brand snobs 🤣🤣👍🏻
A solid base where you can put extra 400 hundred Euros and you can have a very honest gun my gundmith did some repairs on it ( IJ 27) Larger cones The stock made in prince whales style Remove medium stripe Pad pahmayer decelarator Sight from fiber optic Total weight 3 kilos at the end The gun has double triggers and simple ejectors
I am a keeper I had this exact gun same model I bought it second hand in 1992 it lasted me 25 years as my work gun. This gun was used daily in my truck on ATVs out in rain snow dust I drop it ran it over hit it with a bar when digging. I shot everything with it 1000s of shells though it and in all. That time not one thing went wrong except the stock cracked and I just glued it I am not joking.
I bought Baikal MP210 12ga sxs in 2010 for $380. I shot couple thosand clay pigeons. Its been on countless hunts with me, mostly squirrel. There are 45 dead squirrels in my freezer right now, all waiting to be seasoned and roasted, thanks to my Baikal. Over the years I bought turkey chokes, added sling swivels, recoil pad and extension. No performance problems. It does have a rough stock, the edges of the barrels could of had more filing to smooth out. I think its all about the life style that a man lives. Eating squirrel for dinner because meat is too expensive, wearing 15 year old jeans and $2 Goodwill long sleeve button up shirt. Walking in worn out tennis shoes that work bought for me, and pleather waist shotgun belt that I got for free.
Nothing wrong with a baikal I have 1 shot it for ten years every Sunday had it from new, won trophys 🏆, won money and beaten countless people with so called superior guns, solid gun and fair enough I had it extended at the rear and I spent 100 quid on after market chokes but it never misses a beat,
Never had any problems with them only thing they should come with is a man up pill for those big men that moan about recoil lol another good video looking fwd to the next.
I had my first Baikal back in 1987 fix chock and double trigger did the same job as my mates beretta 602 semi auto it was built like a tank if memory serves it cost me £178 so there actually cheaper now crackin gun and a great cheap way to get into clay shooting
Agricultural? That should be a selling point. My 15 yo is joining the High School Trap team, guess what gun he inherits first? Let's see if he can wear it out! My money is on the Shotgun.
Strip it down and really clean it. Take all the woodwork off and dunk the action ends of the barrel and lockwork into a cleaner to get all the factory grease and the years of crud where you pussy foooted around half cleaning it.....out of it. Use a good synthetic lubricant sparingly and enjoy it again.....
we picked one up for 50 pounds this weekend on a bin sale, it was a bit dirty and will need stripping to get all the years of grime out. Cant wait to test it out!
How did the Baikal clean up? I bought an IJ27 that had been used for 20 years on a vineyard to shoot birds... the owner did not know how to break the gun down and so he never cleaned it! Worked very smoothly after a good cleaning...must have been the benefit from the "grinding paste" of dirt and oil working on the internals...
Bought a Baikal o/u ten years ago full choke and half choke barrels. Never had any issues shot clays, pigeons, rooks etc no issues with it. Not into gun snobbery, does what it should do.
I sold my Baikal S x S just over a year ago and regretted it more than selling my Beretta 692 Black. Fun to use and no worries about damaging it getting it wet and not cleaning it for a couple of weeks. As you say everyone's got to own one once.
My friend and I learned to shoot with his fathers baikal. We used to hit more clays at 15 or 16 then we would now with much more expensive guns. My dad had one, a single barrel, he shot more pheasants when he went out with that baikal then he ever did with a double barrel. Solid, reliable and sends pellets down the field. We all get caught up in the gun porn but if you can't shoot extra €€€ isn't going to improve your shot. All that said, they are ugly looking things so if you can get over asthetics then baikal might be the cheapest but not the worst things. When my own gun malfunctioned last year, I relied on a baikal for the rest of the season - never failed, and I shot equally as dreadful :)
I have four Baikal guns. The stack barrel {over and under}410. The side X side 12. The single shot trap gun in 12 and a single in 20. They all hunt and shoot. They are snobs out there that will not speak well of the Baikal and speak poorly of a man that hunts one. They are tanks. Poor trigger? Yes. Clangy lock up? Yes. Ruff wood and poor checkering? Yes. Shoot straight and kill game? Hell yes! We have a school shooting team here. I loan out the trap gun to a kid I sponsor when needed. That Baikal has made four junior state collegiate trap champions in the last seven years. One of them shoots on the U.S. Marine trap and skeet team. Yep, cheap gun.
Whilst quietly accumulating a gun room of Purdeys, H&H, Powells, Evans, and C&H, yesterday I bought a Baikal for £200.
I own 4 original USSR shotguns:
O/U TOZ-34 EP , 12 gauge
O/U TOZ-34 , 28 gauge
SxS IZH-58 ME , 12 gauge
O/U IZH-27 , 28 gauge
I can say with no doubt that these shotguns are among the most reliable and durable shotguns have ever been made.
These guns are great eliminates the snobbery. Especially when your hitting the targets😁
Great review, great guns, i shoot an mp 153 and an ij27 in the north of the Netherlandd
The mp153 is a real goosekiller with an EF Trulock aftermarket choke and Mirage T4 steelcartridge, shoot 1000 rounds a year, has never had any hickups, is cleaned max once a year and has no rust or corrosion, what a gun!
The ij-27 once dropped of a driving car on the road, only a few scratches!!
Love baikal (and lada)
Hi there. I am from Kazakhstan which has been part of the USSR for many years, these Baikals MP27 are very common here. I had one and no issues with it even in -35 degrees ))) better to buy non-ejectors because some times people have problems with ejectors. Good gun for hunting in hard conditions. Thank you for the video. For me just a dream to buy Browning b525 or b425. Dear folks from the west I found one b425 waterfowl 89 for supermagnum as I understand for 1160£ is this a good gun for clay shooting, I want to buy as all round gun. Thank you in advance! Good program by the way. I wish I could go to the shooting school during my study in Oxford :) but unfortunately at that time I didn’t know about English shooting culture.
My IZH-27 bought in 2002 was a single trigger and choke tube O/U. Very soon after purchase it would pop both ejectors even if only one round was fired, and one of the choke tubes 'swelled' after some firing to the point that it was hard to remove. Only lead shot was used, so it seems a material defect. The top rib was bowed right to left, and very soon after purchase the fore end developed a small longitudinal crack near the receiver iron. Despite all of this I shot it well and it pointed well.
They were and still are quite popular hunting and low budget hobby sporting shotguns here in Hungary (as well the Tula Arms Plant TOZ shotguns, but they are not so many around as Baikal/IZH ones).
Pros:
+ cheap and reliable shotguns
+ they do the job
+ usually you can choose between single or double trigger, extractor or ejector, fixed or multichoke variants
+ they still are made in the 16 gauge!
Cons:
- USSR made ones were way much better than post-Soviet Russian made ones. In the Soviet Union you could find yourself in some Siberian labor camp if you made reject especially in a firearms factory. Nowadays Russia rather have "capitalist industry". Buy it, use it for 3-4 years than buy a new one after it's got loose or broke.
- ejectors tend to break but no worries, they still work as an extractor after that
- fit and finish quite crude especially on the wood side - USSR made ones were much nicer
Hello David,
I own FOUR Baikal’s…..12 GA O/U, 20 GA O/U, 410 Bore O/U, 20 GA SxS…..they are built to shoot in almost any weather conditions. Of course they are intended to used in the field verses recreational shooting (Skeet, Trap, Sporting Clay’s). Here in the USA to find a Baikal for sale is virtually impossible because of the ban our government put in place of Russian firearms. I purchased all of mine several years ago and they ranged in price from $450 US to $600 US. These shotguns are not big on esthetics but to ‘go bang every time’ you pull the trigger!
I own two Baikals myself both 12ga one a mp 153 the other a o/u they both shoot beautifully. If I could I would buy more but like you said they are almost impossible to find in the states.
Nice video...! Could yoy please test and do a review on Baikal MP27 EM 1C Sporting ? the one for competition, would realy appreciate it.
I actually got a over under made in Russia and I got it for upland birds rabbits and mainly just because the movie the Russian specialist lol
Yes
Im sure compared to your custom TGS Yildiz it is ;) but when you compare it to other guns in the same price range its pretty good.
Hi have 2 bikikals one double trigger none ejector and single trigger ejector. Would never part with them great guns. Only thing I've had is the would spilts on the stock but apart from that brilliant guns.
I have two Baikal's a12g, and a 410. Both over/under. I love them both. I also have a Browning 12g and 20g O/U. I accually have had some trigger issues with the Brownings.
Nobody who I hunt with uses a slip with the baikal because its worth more than the baikal.
My daughters shot a Baikal, slip on recoil pad, comb adjusted using a bisley comb kit and a neoprene stock cover and it never lets us down. Id rather chuck tape and comb kits on a £150 gun for them to have some fun with (neither have a wish to be competition shots) and if they really get into the sport then I will invest a bit more. It does need to be anointed with vodka every once in a while though.
I ordered one used for $430 in the USA! 26 inch is a good parent and can shoot steel shots with open chocks for me.
I have browning 30 inches(full chock is donger) and many others....
The funny thing is anybody in Russia that can afford german, buy german.
What’s your point
The Baikal Tundra guns were the best shotguns I ever had. It does not need oil in the mechanics and shoots the second barrel even when you have a misfire in the first. If you do not clean it and use it 2, 3 years later it will work. for sure.
Can you shoot steel shot through a fixed choke? Reason im asking is im looking at buying a old hilton gun company o/u as my first shotgun so will i be alright?
My uncle in law had a Baikal SxS.
Here we go out to sea and hunt birds on boats.
Anyway, they hit a wave, and a bit of sea water splashed up into the boat, he checked the barrel and there was a miniscule water droplet, smaller than what comes out of an eye dropper, and when he went to shoot it, the barrels flew clean off into the sea.
He's had much larger drops of water in other guns and had no issues of that type.
But, now his daily driver is a Baikal O/U, don't know the specific model, and he's also got an MP-155 lying around, he absolutely adores shooting both of them.
Hi Dave. I have got 2 of theese. One is 16 gauge, 37 years old, two trigger game gun with fixed chokes. Second is 12 gauge, fixed choke IŻ-27 Sporting, with porting in barrels. Many shooters in my origin country start theirs adventure in sport from that particullar one with succes. As you said, they are bulletproof. I have never had any problems with them. They maybe not so pretty like any italian or turkish guns, but they not afraid mud, rain, snow, and other bad conditions. Really, reliable, budget gun.
Professionally presented...No bias, only facts--kudos.
Ive had mine for 20 years .... its never let me down .... im no crack shot and it gets me out and about with the guys ....
I bought this as a Remington SPR 310 for my first introduction to Sporting clays with my three brothers some 10-12 years ago. It has served me well at a price of $310. My only gripe was the action was very stiff in the beginning but has since loosened up. I get tired of the snobbery among many shooters. I bring out my Ruger revolver and they whip out their Colt or SW at twice the price. Like a Mossberg 500 it’s affordable and just works every time.
I'm stick with this brand since 1995 to till date
100% satisfied contender 👍
There's hardly a budget conscious shooter around who started out in the 1970's who hasn'tl owned a Baikal at some stage or other.
So so true
Too true, I bought a single barrel in 1978
@@braniams my favorite out of my 3 for rabbits and squirrels.
Hello i had a 50 year old baikal and after 50 years the pin that triggers the shell broke but it was easily fixed
Nice vid 👍👍 I love the fact that you took the time and effort to review one of these old low end legends. Whilst I really enjoy the reviews of all the "shiny" guns that come through your door, its nice that the budget conscious and beginners haven't been forgotten 👌👌
Beginners aren't buying Baikals. They are buying £500 Ata/Yildiz.
This chap is a top shooter. Give him a catapult and he'll break clays with it, so him shooting with a Baikal is cool to watch, but doesn't mean much for a newbie. Just my opinion 🤗
I bought brand new mp27m and its build like a tank . Its made by the izhevsk that makes the makarov and aks . Also the reciever is stainless steel not aluminium , heck even apple iPhone dumped aluminium for not being resistand and strong 😂 idk what those gun makers thing when they make the breaking part of aluminium
Not a bad gun at all tough and reliable the farmers dig them
Enjoyed the video. Thank you. I am a big fan of Baikal and have a 12 guage side by side which I regularly use for dove anD partridge shooting. Also have a 20 guage side by side, an MP 153 semi auto 12 guage and a recently acquired 12 guage O/U sporter. Super reliable stuff by Baikal
Yep I had a baikal side by side it had tight chokes but I tell u I could really shoot with it bloody good on those longe range shots reluctantly sold it because of steel shot and the Russian guns tended to have really tight chokes
If I could get one in quarter and half and alter the rear part of the trigger guard at the back because it use to hit my third finger behind the trigger guard quite bad still got the scare to prove I owned one
I have the single barrel IJ18 absolutely love it
I have a Baikal MP-94, .410 bore over 22WMR. It is bulletproof and reliable. At 50 yards, I can put both a 3" 410 slug and a 22WMR through the same hole in a target without fiddling with the sights. However, it has never operated as the manual described. When you open the gun to load it, it cocks the mechanism for one barrel. In order to re-cock the gun for the other barrel, you either break it open or re-cock it using a separate trigger mechanism. If you re-cock it by breaking it open, then the barrel selector is functional. If you re-cock it using the trigger mechanism, then the barrel selector is not functional and will not change to the other barrel. A bit annoying, but I have had this gun for years and do not plan to part with it. Cheers!
Had sxs and it was the nuts no issues atall great shooters tbh
I have a Baikal 16 Bore Side by Side hammer gun I bought brand new 47 years ago out of the Shooting Times magazine the price then was £36 and I still use that gun today more than any other gun I own, its had thousands of cartridges through it and the barrels are still like new, they are chrome lined barrels.
Purchased my first baikal Close to 30 years ago I have two 20s and a 12 gage
I’ve shot 40 Grouse and well over 150 quail have easily put 2000 rounds through my first 20 gauge however now when I pull the single trigger off barrels fire I wore something out inside if I switch to the other barrel first only one barrel fires at a time. Found your video looking to learn how to fix my beloved gun. The 12 gauge has begun to act the same recently
Do some research and try to find a manual showing a break down schematic.
Clean out all the old grungy oils and powder residues
and those intermittent faults should go away
once it's been cleaned and lubricated properly.
I have a later model Baikal O/U with 3" chamber, factory recoil pad, removable chokes, ejectors or extractors. It is bullet proof. I paid less than $450 Canadian for it.
It shoots anything I put in it really well.
I also have a S×S Baikal with fixed chokes, extractors, 2 triggers. It has served well over the years as a camp bear gun.
I've seen a couple of Baikal Over/Unders with cracked forend wood but apart from that for the money a good solid gun if you can get on with one
Surrendered a sxs Baikal shotgun to Police when it developed a bulge in the barrel just ahead of the forestock. It was never a "nice" gun to shoot.
Baikal,that's a trusted name, I have a single shot and also the sxs, no problems at all, solid as hell.
In America for a mp 310 it was about 650 but been a good all around gun
I purchased one about 15 years ago when Remington was importing them under the Spartan label. It is the sporting model with 32 inch ported barrels. It is built like a truck. After putting about 3000 rounds thru it at the trap and skeet range I decided to have my local gunsmith put a softer recoil pad on it. I also refinished the stock and fore end with a darker stain and tung oil at that time. I also bought after market chokes as well and upgraded the bead. I have killed geese, ducks, and crows with it as well. The only issues I have had it that it is still a bit stiff to open and the right side rib started to separate slightly at the front of the barrel which my local gunsmith fixed. I paid around $400 for it back then and it was well worth it.
Cheap and reliable? What’s not to like? Now to find one near me in the US.
When I bought my baikal OU ejected with 2 sets of barrels for 80 quid!!!! I weighed off the fact I don't shoot as often as I would like to and didn't want 500 quid Sat in my cabinet not being used.
I have a Remington Spartan, which is the same gun, mines a 20ga “competition” easily put 7000 rounds a year through it for about 14 years, never ever a hiccup, it did start out very rough on the break open action, now it baby butt smooth, Some of my shooters in our old gun club, still ask me when they see me, to sell it to them, so it made a good impression!
We have a yearly competition at my club called the baikal challenge where they use single barrel baikals they bought on auction for £5-£10. Its a lot of fun and I guess if you can't shoot the targets you can always just chuck the gun at them as a last resort...it'd still work after that 😅
Yep, the North Cotes Butts Baikal Challenge is certainly a good day out and the whole family can participate, there's also a pretty good barbie so you're well fed.
I do like your videos Thanks for sharing just picking up a side by side one off these in 2 week's just waiting for permit to acquire to come in not the best gun but just fun for plinking around my sister farm but I did get a New boito 410 Under And over had that one for 3 week's now and love IT thanks again for your great video's from Michael in Australia
Cracking vid can't understand why people look down on them. Have a Tula Toz66 hammer gun (down has a Baikal on my ticket) love shooting it and always gets admiring glances🤣 like it more than my Brownings
Can you please make a shot pattern comparison video between Baikal and any other popular higher priced shotgun?
Much more fair and practical review that the other snotty British review I saw earlier. You Brits have no clue the kind of environment these guns are made for….and yes they’re made to be cheap because the people who use them aren’t rich enough to pay 150 pounds more than something is worth, just because it has some fancy engraving. It’s a gun to shoot, and live it’s life in some wood cabin. If one of those guys tested one of your guns for a couple years, he’d probably give one crappy review when it broke while he was trying to feed himself.
I own 3 of baikals and only one has accurate barrels. No warranty, no guarantee that it shoots accurate for a new gun. Seen guns with broken firepins, so i would not to overexadurate the reliability. Quality of the guns varies a lot.
I saw an IZ 27, 20 gauge, brand new, in a used gun rack like 20+ years ago, for $175.00. I didn't think I could go wrong. While certainly not my 525 or Ceasar Summit, or an ancient Citori, it has performed very well. Never an issue, decent mechanical triggers, the upper barrel selection by pressing the trigger forward, I removed the auto-safety, and used for registered skeet a couple of times (96, 97), it has always gone bang. And it's cool to have something no one else has.
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I have a review, $450
But I couldn't shoot yet
My first shotgun i got when i got my certificate in 1974 i was 16 years old. I got it from a catalogue, Freemans it think. Cheap gun i had for years
Had my one second hand 22 years ago for £60 used it daily as my work gun it's had a hard life out in all weather had nothing more than a wipe over with a bit of gun oil never failed to work
Love my S/S cal !6. Bougt it 30 years ago as a second hand. 50 euros and still going. Its 60 years old now so its like less than one euro a year ;). Some cracks in the wood but dosent matter. NEWER CLICKED and NEWER done a repair.
That's the best laugh I've had in a long time the subtitles cracked me up Paul Paul Paul
I've owned both SxS (IJ-58) and O/U (IJ-27) USSR guns. They are solid as a rock, although problems with the O/U are common such as misfiring, happened to me and to other guys I know. The firing pins in the O/U are spring loaded and these go bad from time to time. Got mine rectified by replacing the springs. The SxS on the other hand is a wonderful gun, NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!!. Sold my O/U last week.
I have a Baikal MP 18 12 guage single shot. Cut the 28 inch barrel down to 18.5 inches and it's my back pack gun. Purchased some adapters from Staight line and can shoot 20 guage down to 22lr. Such a versatile gun and tough as nails. It works great here in the mountains of Kentucky.
I own a baikal sxs and enjoy using it. Only problem is im not a very good shot 🤣 still fun and different when I go to shoot clays and im the only person with a sxs
If you think the guns are good, the old Baikal cartridges were even better. “Kills at both ends” I think was their motto. 5’s muzzle flashed like a 88 and nearly as loud.
Baikal record bb for fox 5 for game 7.5 and 9s for clays all had the muzsle flash of a cannon . Loved them
I remember being given a box of baikal cartridges & shooting a high duck. When i retrieved it it had some serious damage. I opened one of the cartridges at home & the pellets had congealed together!. Answered why i had been missing a few things but the ones that were hit stayed hit!!
God do I remember them shoot anything under 20 yards you burnt the feathers off.
Show me the patterns at 20 yards - that both barrels are on track to converge 60/40 at appropriate distance. Then I'll believe it's a good buy.
I bought a Yildiz from Academy Sports because of your recommendation. It's at Briley, the USA warranty center because it shoots 60/40 upper, 40/60 lower. You have to aim high on the clay to hit anything with the bottom barrel.
Doug, do you think a low-cost gun should be properly regulated? Next time you talk to the yildiz rep, show him this post.
And please, do us all the favor of taking your test guns to the pattern board: 3 shots, each barrel, off a rest, 13 or 20 yards. Same sight picture for each shot.
At 20 yards, my Citori 725 nails 60/40 perfectly when I figure 8 the beads. I guess you can show the Browning rep this post too :)
I prefer the Bagel to the Baikal. Its the only gun that works as both firearm and as target pigeon.
Cannot beat them solid engineering proper basic but perfect
You are correct they shoot good and keep on going If you don’t to spend thousands this gun it’s as reliable as it gets..
I have two of them one over and under with cutted barrell at 61.5cm for woodcock hunting and one mp155 for duck hunting l will never change these guns not if someone gives me for gift another more expensive. They are very solid i have them for many wears and in the cold weather they shoot better than other guns and never break
I have a Baikal d/t o/u 12 bore . I paid a £100 33 years ago. It's never failed me.
My first gun was a Baikal non ejector dbl trigger cost about £100 and mail ordered in the 80s.
There is a Biakal out there somewhere that was lenghened with an offcut of Turkish walnut and a hand fitted rubber butt pad put on by an apprentice at Boss in his lunch break, the 2" bit of wood is worth more than the gun. 😂
My dad had the baikal he got his I think bran new for £500 he said it done him well and it was reliable
I have 2 , my side by side that I've had for over 35 years and a under and over that I've had for well over 20 years both faultless , not pretty and fancy free but faultless shooting
No iv shot one shot great real value for money you have to understand its just a smoth bore gun all that matters is fit
i bought a bakial 610 , double trigger non ejector out of the shooting times in the very early 80s paid i think £120.00 with 500 free cartridges 250 black record and 250 pink record , i think the wood work finally fell apart in the early 2000s an amazing gun and i shot everything with it .
I have one 15 years old and it’s still stiff to open BUT it’s very accurate
Nice to see unbiased honest reviews.
I bought one over twenty years ago and it was one of those guns
you could put up to your shoulder, look at the target and you hit it!
I then got into muzzle loading clays (in New Zealand) and eventualy
I had a custom single ML shotgun made by John Jones (RIP John).
It fitted me like a glove and was national champ for many years.
Now it comes out on opening day on ducks plus on our beaters day
on Craigmore Staion.
Thinking about purchasing a 20ga baikal izh-27em-1c.
Do you know if it's the same size action as the 12ga, or is it a slimed
down version please?
Have been enjoying your video's, so thanks for those.
Quite a funny story actually one of the guys I shoot with fairly regularly was saying to me he doesn’t understand people that clean their guns after every use he cleans his maybe once a month- so there we are all cleaning our barrels etc I’m helping my friend with his Webley 700 and I see this guy just stuffing his baikal back into the slip after a cursory wipe haha but why would you probably cheaper to get another gun than replace some stuff, particularly as he got it for free
I use MP 27 12/76....
Cheap, robust. The tank of shotguns. What you can't hit, you can beat to death with it. It is also excellent for rowing in an emergency. Flawless at -22 degrees and at +44 degrees. It does not require the fine gun oil. It's fine even with the cheapest one. And it is designed for a pressure of 1350 bar. You can shoot anything with it...
Saw an over under in a gun store/pawn shop in North Carolina several years back. .30-06 over 12gge. with that lovely dark walnut. Don' remember the brand but I'm sure it was either Russian(most likely Baikal, he had Baikal ss shotguns) or maybe Turkish(?). Sure wish I had taken the plunge back then. I think it was around $225.00 which was a lot back in my younger days. I like the design of rifle over scattergun the other way makes no sense. Maybe I'll run across one again.
Won my first club sash with a baikal, 47/50 in the handicap DTL
Baikal is bloody good gun too many gun snobs out there these days
Rwy'n cytuno
I bought one a month ago and I have problems with the ejectors, they were both automatic but suddenly one of them stopped working,the gun is brand new...I guess I m gonna see a gunsmith soon
How did you go with taking it in ? (I presume it was under new warranty)
Was it just the ejectors needing a good clean and lube?
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq they didn't tell me what was wrong but it was fixed for free anyways. I don't think it wasn't clean, I clean the gun every time a shoot it, also the gunsmith of the shop I bought it didn't know what was wrong so he sent it to the official dealer to check it out.
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I have a Turkish made semi 12g that I bought cheap because the bolt would jam shut and whether live or fired, the shell was trapped in the breech.
I thought that was a bit of a challenge...and the price was very low.
I field stripped it and cleaned and lubed it.
As soon as I experienced this..the shell had luckily been fired ...I had to mortar the butt on the ground to acheive sufficient force to move the bolt backward..gravity being a good friend for once.
The extractor had a full fracture but in such a way that only full disassembly and removing the pin on which it rotated revealed the break....and it would only jam the bolt intermittently.
Went to a gunsmith chosen at random...
"Ah yeah, here's the improved replacement...no charge."
Hasn't mssed a beat since then...
I bought an IJ27 through an on-line sale which had a stipulation that the buyer had to pick it up.
His stipulation of "pick up only" had scared off other buyers as he lived well away from any population centre.
I paid and then communicated with the owner.....some 600 miles away.
He had used the gun on an orchard to shoot birds for over 20 years.
In that time he had never cleaned it as he did not know how to break the gun down!!!
I sent him the instruction manual and he emailed back 20 minutes later "That was simple".
I then for an extra $20 got him to package and send the gun to me once I had sent him the Police-required paperwork.
I did strip it right back and washed out the accumulated crud...then lubricated it and the gun worked faultlessly...
It was my second one...an earlier one also in great condition had gone to a friend who had a rural property and neded a shotgun right away....he still has it and still uses it 40 years later.....
Now we’re talking real guns not show peace’s, it’s not the Bow it’s the Indian 👍🏻 how’s about a skit where ye get a top shooter in disguise with a baikal in a competition against the brand snobs 🤣🤣👍🏻
Cheep and agricultural, but they work , I know a few farmers that have them in the back of their Land-rovers.👍
A solid base where you can put extra 400 hundred Euros and you can have a very honest gun
my gundmith did some repairs on it ( IJ 27)
Larger cones
The stock made in prince whales style
Remove medium stripe
Pad pahmayer decelarator
Sight from fiber optic
Total weight 3 kilos at the end
The gun has double triggers and simple ejectors
I am a keeper I had this exact gun same model I bought it second hand in 1992 it lasted me 25 years as my work gun.
This gun was used daily in my truck on ATVs out in rain snow dust I drop it ran it over hit it with a bar when digging. I shot everything with it 1000s of shells though it and in all. That time not one thing went wrong except the stock cracked and I just glued it I am not joking.
I have a combination gun .223 and 12g it's spot on 👍
The ejector mechanism broke in the forend on mine , got another one and ejector works fine now
I bought Baikal MP210 12ga sxs in 2010 for $380.
I shot couple thosand clay pigeons. Its been on countless hunts with me, mostly squirrel. There are 45 dead squirrels in my freezer right now, all waiting to be seasoned and roasted, thanks to my Baikal.
Over the years I bought turkey chokes, added sling swivels, recoil pad and extension.
No performance problems.
It does have a rough stock, the edges of the barrels could of had more filing to smooth out.
I think its all about the life style that a man lives.
Eating squirrel for dinner because meat is too expensive, wearing 15 year old jeans and $2 Goodwill long sleeve button up shirt. Walking in worn out tennis shoes that work bought for me, and pleather waist shotgun belt that I got for free.
Nothing wrong with a baikal I have 1 shot it for ten years every Sunday had it from new, won trophys 🏆, won money and beaten countless people with so called superior guns, solid gun and fair enough I had it extended at the rear and I spent 100 quid on after market chokes but it never misses a beat,
Never had any problems with them only thing they should come with is a man up pill for those big men that moan about recoil lol another good video looking fwd to the next.
hi i had one got in england back in 1980 . payd 120 pound still got ot 2021 still going . stong
I had my first Baikal back in 1987 fix chock and double trigger did the same job as my mates beretta 602 semi auto it was built like a tank if memory serves it cost me £178 so there actually cheaper now crackin gun and a great cheap way to get into clay shooting
Agricultural? That should be a selling point. My 15 yo is joining the High School Trap team, guess what gun he inherits first? Let's see if he can wear it out! My money is on the Shotgun.
My gun get stuck (hard to open) after you shoot it. I have to push the lever few times to brake it open.
Strip it down and really clean it.
Take all the woodwork off and dunk the action ends of the barrel and lockwork into a cleaner to get all the factory grease and the years of crud where you pussy foooted around half cleaning it.....out of it.
Use a good synthetic lubricant sparingly and enjoy it again.....
Take it apart and clean out the firing/cocking mechanism..
and re oil.
we picked one up for 50 pounds this weekend on a bin sale, it was a bit dirty and will need stripping to get all the years of grime out. Cant wait to test it out!
How did the Baikal clean up?
I bought an IJ27 that had been used for 20 years on a vineyard to shoot birds...
the owner did not know how to break the gun down and so he never cleaned it!
Worked very smoothly after a good cleaning...must have been the benefit from the "grinding paste" of dirt and oil working on the internals...
I bought my Baikal O/U in 1982, this year one of the ejectors has stopped working. Disappointing!!
40 years..such a shame!
Got it fixed yet?