My theory is Shanks has an older brother. Shank’s is the illegitimate son of Garling with a most likely dead slave mother, similar to Bonney. That’s why he was offered as a prize in the box. I can’t rationalize any other reason a world noble would be offered other than “dirty blood”. Shank’s older brother is the legitimate heir to the figarland family, a full blooded celestial.
Shanks having a twin brother is useless Character woudnt be unic and wouldnt be connected to anyone ( its a lame half/half , thats why the secret evil twin never works ) Buggy is the best masterpiece of Oda
The pictures are not from the same angle. Look at the gap between the end of the eyebrows and the top of his nose. The one with the scar is larger indicating that it facing more towards us.
@@nonyabusiness366 I mean the anime did a front close up of Shanks face and they still chose not to show his scar, I'm not fully sold on the theory but that is suspicious
Honestly I encourage anyone who thinks this theory is too far fetched to rewatch that scene in the anime. The way the camera deliberately swings around shanks and avoids showing the scar is really obvious imo
@@enas_one All of the holy knights normally wear cloaks based on the silhouette we have seen and current Garling. Could also be to protect him from being seen by anyone without permission while at reverie
Shanks indeed does has evil twin, but it's not the one who was talking with Gorosei. His brother is Blue-haired Banks, and he is yet to be introduced along with Buggy's red-haired brother, Shuggy, in upcoming One Piece Movie: Blue
@@Kais.K I know you're joking that OP's joke is more believable, but it would be cool if Shanks actually had a brother. The world government would be even more stacked.
@@TopSandMolecule Whole Mariejois is based on Rome. Gorosei are named after Roman gods, Imu Nerona is Nero (the guy who burned Rome) and Figarland name is specificaly describing that Romulus and Remus event because of the Fig+Garland. Could be a major hint for the "twin" theory. We already got some other hints for the "twin" theory with that "Shanks" Gorosei meeting and that weird stopping of Kaido before Marineford. That was in the New World, faar away from Marineford (other side of Red Line) and he wasnt even damaged. I think the twin stopped Kaido to save the Marines
@@wowenjoyer OMFG, it makes sense! Shit, 100% that the twin stopped Kaido on the orders of the Elders because the Marine would’ve lost the battle. Plus, it’s so convenient for the story that Shanks has a scar on his left side from Blackbeard (imagine if he didn’t have that scar, even though the same story played out - there would be no possible hint about the conclusion involving an evil brother). But for some reason, Blackbeard gave him a scar on his left side, and the most important scene doesn’t show his left side, where we could’ve 100% without a doubt identified him. Plus, chapter 1121. It’s a done deal. For sure, this theory is one of the most promising in One Piece right now.
something you didn't even mention: in the scene where "shanks" talks to the gorosei he is also conveniently wearing a cloak so we can't see if he is missing an arm or not
I was just about to comment that! Cuz if we think Oda has enough attention to detail to exclude the scar then I think the same logic can be applied to the comically oversized cloak "Shanks" was covered in
The cloak thing also suggests that whoever it was came discreetly that wanted to hide their identity. So, if it was a twin celestial dragon brother, then why would he bother with wearing a cloak?
@@dafeels3085They mention something along the lines of considering his status he shouldn’t be talking politics. I think as a holy knight he should carry out the orders of the elders not be telling them his opinion and so he came in secret to prevent other holy knights from being privy to his visit with the elders.
Really surprised you didn’t mention his arm either for that scene. Shanks has 3 key identifiers: his face scars, his arm, and his hair which has literally created his epitaph. In the scene with the gorosei, we don’t see the scars, we don’t see the fact that his arm is missing, and they do not call him by his name, title as yonko, or epitaph of Red Hair, like most people refer to him as. To go 0/3 in those categories in that scene is crazier than any theory in my mind.
2 of these are easily explainable He is wearing a cloak to hide his appearance so obviously we wont see his arm. For the name thing, we see his face in the very last panel of the chapter, so Oda wont spoil who it is due to the dramatic paneling of the page to give max impact to the reader. The scar thing is due to the angle of where we are looking at him.
@@SUPERVEGETTO92 right but that’s my point. He is wearing a cloak, and his arm(s) are covered. Intentional or not those are the facts and his missing arm can’t be used to identify him. Even the anime goes out of the way to avoid showing his scar; whether it’s just the angle or not, we don’t see it, and it cannot be used to identify him. And again, whether it’s just dramatic paneling or intentional, his name is not used, and can’t be used to identify him. That’s a lot of coincidences in one short scene
okay but a counterpoint... why would they need to? why do they need to say "shanks..." when we can clearly see that it's him? i'm talking about Oda here lol. why would Oda state the obvious? that doesnt mean it's not Shanks, it just would be bad writing to have it be spelled out to us. we know it's Shanks. that's all there is to it
@@gwen6622that’s not the point though. All key identifying features of Shanks are left ambiguous for a reason. If Oda wanted us to know that it was Shanks for sure, he would have included a detail like the scar or missing arm, or at least had one of the gorosei refer to him as a yonko or call him red-haired. Because none of them are present, the fact that this could be someone other than Shanks himself seems pretty likely.
@@kuhplow8026 no lol. that's a really childish and insane way to think about things. you know what the identifying feature of Shanks we were shown was? his fucking face lol. imagine Oda in that moment drawing Shanks's face and then being like "oh i better show the scar so that people don't think this is Shanks's super secret evil twin!" lmao. you cant be serious
Shanks was born March 9 so it doesnt check outs. Still some possibility with number 12 as someone commented about Archangels( there supposed to be 7 in my knowledge) Round Table Knights or Charlomagne Knights were still numbering 12 which many feel the Holyknights represent in reverse morality of sorts. The panel is not very clear with the 12siluetes. Some theoriest have speculated that the number of HK range from 7 similar to Warlord, 9 for some reason , 16 from the attacks that both Imu weapon and Doffy final move, and then 19 from the original families of Celestials.
Another thing to consider is if it was Shanks' brother who met with the Grosei, which I’m inclined to believe it is, the pirate he wanted to talk about is certainly Shanks. This seems to be more narratively fitting than the previous interpretation that it was Shanks meeting to discuss Blackbeard or Luffy.
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The Gorosei's dialogue in chapter 907 though suggests that whoever it was came "all this way" and normally wouldn't just stroll in. The existence of other Figarlands is definitely possible, I don't think the dialogue quite supports that person being a God's Knight.
Maybe they exaggerated a bit and Shanks' brother lives at the bottom of the castle or somewhere close to Pangaea castle. So he had to make his way to the castle and then to the upper floors where the room of authority is.
he probably spies on the revolutionary and then he came across a poster of someone who looks like him and thought damn what did i do to get this bounty but then notices the scar and goes back all the way to mariejois covering his face to chat with the elders about who shanks really is
@@minorityzoro He probably didn't just realize who Shanks is because Shanks has been a yonko for years at this point. I think the brother theory makes a lot of sense for all the reasons morj stated, but just doesn't make sense in the context of the actual conversation that they had (as short as it was for us)
If there is someone who looks like Shanks walking around Marie Joah that's cause a lot of confisuin and trouble no ? Especially because of Shanks bounty poster So maybe he is hiding (?) as a secret trump card
He is also the man marked by flames. When Blackbeard's crew was talking about the man marked by flames and the final poneglyph, they theorized that the final poneglyph is in the hands of the government. Shanks' twin is that man. They specifically mentioned he sails a black ship with black sails, and this guy wears black robes as well. His role is to sail around in that black ship in order to prevent anyone from being able to find the final poneglyph that he has in his possession. It also makes sense in regards to Whitebeard's statement about his scar hurting when looking at Shanks. The last known location of that poneglyph was Fishman Island, which happened to be Whitebeard's territory. Perhaps he scarred Whitebeard when taking the poneglyph?
@@koolkid533not necessarily if they keep it away from mariejois then it keeps the general population of celestial dragons oblivious to what’s rly going on and the void century. also if they leave it on the sea they could use it as a trap and as a way to know who’s close to finding the one piece
I always thought about what whitebeard said about his scar and I always thought he was talking about Garling since they fought in god’s valley and young Garling looks identical to shanks
@@koolkid533 in theory yes but moving it around continually is smarter which means that its never in one place for too long and its indestructible so they dont want actual pursuers or rogue celestials like don quixotes to stumble apon it and they can just delegate the task to some haxor leet character who can one tap anyone trying to get it, it also could be just some outsider given the task of protecting it and they get celestial protection and immunity/benefits or a set amount of money whilst they drag it around the seas
You forgot that Whitebeard says his injuries hurt when looking at Shanks face back when they met pre time skip. This could have been a major hint looking back at it.
Conspiracy theory: the Sea King that took Shank's arm delivered it to the WG and then Vegapunk developed a Shanks clone to lead the new gen God Knights
It's crazy how from time to time people that make absurd unsubstantiated theories actually end up being right by pure chance. When we only had one panel with shanks without the scar, him having a twin was on par with many other schitzo theories that frankly don't even sound like they're in line with Oda's way of writing at all. Now it's starting to become more believable each passing chapter. And this is not even the first time something like this is happening in recent years
@@murderman8578 the one piece sea theory has never been absurd, nor that much unsubstantiated unless you go far back enough. And also not far from Oda's style. Not a schitzo theory at all, it was extremely reasonable from day 1
“It’s not the tool, it’s how you use it” A trope is a trope. It’s how it’s implemented that makes it good or bad. And breadcrumbs and microscopic hints is a genius way to use the trope.
@@justno984Tropes can NEVER be bad. Only execution matters when it comes to the quality of writing. Plenty of well written series in entertainment media have used overrated or overused tropes, but their execution of it was done well.
Alot of people thought Shanks was evil or he will turn on luffy, well there you have it, this makes perfect sense. Instead of changing Shanks, let him have a brother that is pure evil and extremely strong like Shanks
Nah, makes no sense for the Burn Scar man to be the Silhouette man. The Burn Scar man is said to be holding the last poneglyph, and from how it is stated, he kind of protects or takes care of it. If he was a contender for the One Piece, which the Silhouette man is, the Burn Scar man would be making moves and actually be participating in the race instead of remaining at a place taking care of the poneglyph.
20 years in and we know next to nothing about Shanks, it would be dumb for it to be that hollow of a character. I'm hoping that Twin idea is just to throw people off, maybe the Twin is actually a nice guy and is warning people about Shanks actually being kind of evil. Luffy having his last opponent be the guy that got him started on his journey would be kind of cool
@ProtomanButCallMeBlues I honestly think THAT would be hollow bc it's so predictable. Virtually everyone has basically said :either BB kills Shanks, Shanks fights Luffy in a Davy Back fight, or Shanks turns out to be a villain," and I think of the 3 options, evil Shanks would be the most hollow bc there'd be no buildup towards it. It's like when you have an entire story happen, and then the ending is "it was all a dream." It feels like it came out of nowhere. I think evil twin, while cliche, would be the best of both worlds, and maybe if evil Shanks is the one to kill, or at least defeat, Shanks, that would be better, imo.
Totally disagree, unlike Doflamingo whos father was just a random celestial dragon who decided to leave the holy land together with his family, Shanks father is a holy knight, still active, even though Shanks decided to remain a pirate, due to some circumstences he ended up on a pirate ship, that's why Sengoku went along with Shanks request to end the war in Marineford and that's why Goroseis accepted to meet with him in Marijoe. Shanks doesnt have a twin/not twin brother. Thanks to his fathers position, he has some privileges that the other pirates don't and will never have.
Neither can you prove that Shanks has an evil twin/sibling, nor can you prove he doesn't. It all depends on Oda at the end of the day. Also you only addressed a single point out of like the 5 or more points he made. Why does Shanks have a dead or alive bounty if he's so freely able to keep a relationship with the Gorosei? Why does his scar not show on his side profile in the panel when it did in the past multiple times? Why do the Gorosei not call out his name or titles even once throughout the entire time he was there? Why does the silhouette have a saber identical to Gryphon? And many more.
Also, from how Figarland executed Mjosgard, he says something along the lines about if you support those who are below the Celestial Dragons, you are even worse than those vermins. That shows his strong beliefs in the superiority of being a Celestial Dragon, and him giving Shanks an exception would go against what he believes.
Shanks meeting with the Gorosei is intriguing, it raises all sorts of questions. Why would an Emperor go to parley with his greatest enemies, and why would they let him? Oh, it turns out they didn't, it was a character we had no clues about prior to this point meeting with them because they're his boss. Same with the silhouette--we already know there's one guy who looks like Shanks working for the Celestial Dragons, why be so secretive about there being a second one? Shanks having a brother is a fine plot point in a vacuum, but it's the most anticlimactic answer given the information we've been provided.
What I saw analyzed on another video is that the man who approaches the Gorosei uses an entirely different manner of speaking in the original Japanese, something shanks has never used as he speaks exclusively informally.
For me, it’s the gorosei saying “you shouldn’t be involved in politics given your position.” They wouldn’t refer to him that way if he was a pirate! It’s the same way they were surprised when Garland entered
Small detail that adds to this: the shadowed character is also holding their sword in their left hand, which is the dominant hand Shanks had before he lost that arm to the Lord of the Coast
The man marked by flames is presented as a caretaker or a protector of the last poneglyph, not a contender for the One Piece. It's very obvious both are different entities.
Omg... I just realised, luffy never saw shanks with his scar right? So if he met "evil shanks" there's a lot of potential in the confusion of the meeting
Shanks is a "failed clone" of Garling, maybe because he failed to display any signs of ruthlessness or ambition. That's why he was left at God Valley. The other "twin" was the "successful" clone who now leads the God's knights. As the WG has been developing an army of perfect soldiers, it would only make sense that they'd also be developing a group of "perfect generals" to lead such an army. This would also explain why the doppelganger would go to the gorosei to talk about him - them looking identical yet having no recollection whatsoever of each other would naturally make the doppelganger curious as to what their relationship was, if any. And such a high-level secret would only be known to the highest ones up the ladder - the gorosei.
An easy counter to this would be that if Shanks brother is part of the celestial dragons, why would he have to cover his body in a cloak, that to me signals that whoever it is doesn't want to be recognised by the rest of the celestial dragons hence hiding his identity, if this was shanks holy knight brother why would he do that? he would've just rocked up with his normal clothes.
Because he is needed to appear like he could be Shanks is the most likely reason if this is true... But maybe he was undercover on the "mortal" world and had just come back, IDK.
Remember in the flashback how all the inferior celestial dragons were crazy about Garling, screaming and all that? Dude has the same problem and didn't want those inferior nobles making a ruckus on his way there.
To hide the fact he’s not missing an arm from us, the readers. And the Gorosei mention “given his status” he shouldn’t be dealing with politics, it’s likely that God’s Knights aren’t to get involved in the affairs of the government, & act purely as police. It’d be like if a cop went up to congress and decided to give his opinion on how things should be done
What if shanks isn't even figarlands son, but actually a clone of figarland himself? Could explain why they looked identical, and this character could just be another clone they made after losing shanks.
@@vn9574 tbh i think the twin thing is more likely, the only known clone is of buckingham stussy and she along with vegapunk and caeser created it with MADS. That came after the rocks pirates fell at gods valley, and we know that shanks was found after the god valley incident.
It's possible but they say "Why did you come all this way?" and mentions he should have nothing to do with politics. That doesnt sound like they're talking to a celestial dragon. That image of a Shanks lookalike, the silhouette, is suspicious, but I dunno.. doesnt add upp with the gorosei meeting shanks scene imo
@@cowdyayaad6378 why wouldnt they send him to clean up pirates I wonder? He could end everyone except yonko easily. But I guess it could be retconned, like Sabo not trying to save Ace
Its more likely, as some on this comment section have said, that he is a god's knight and as such is usually out there serving imu/the 5 gorosei, so it would be like if an fbi agent came up to the president and started giving his opinions on policy
I don’t understand ppl being SO CONFIDENT in this theory. It’s one thing to float it and think it’s possible, but everyone is speaking as if it has been 100% confirmed.
I think one of the most important contrasts one could make between Shanks and a CD brother is that Shanks is representative of the ideal Pirate through Roger and to Luffy, so the brother should embody the ideal Celetial Dragon by his own family. That way, the fight can be a very distinct comparison between these two lifestyles, and why one is better than the other.
Maybe shanks brother (the silhouette with the saber) is the mysterious dark guy that holds the last porneglyph and that is also how this shady mysterious guy ( with the burn scar) could „pop out“ of nowhere and be so strong that no one knows anything abt him and I also don’t know if he has a Bounty but this would explain why he doesn’t have one
The big thing that points against the twin/brother theory is why would he need to obscure himself with a cloak? Celestial dragons are mostly ignorant towards any people on the "lower" seas, so how many actually know about Shanks and also the twin/brother can change his hair style to look a bit different. And for his role in the story, does he really need much of story? And even if we give him a "bigger" role in the story, his father fits the role. He is old, yes, but you can get around that by a secret Figarland bloodline plot armor that if they use both arms they get stronger, so Shanks cannot use his actual full power but Garling can which will make them equal. Well or Oda find another way for amnesia to work that out😂
I mean, the anime did keep this "error", so, it's plausible it was placed there intentionally by Oda, and he may have told the storyboard artists/animators to not draw it. And, since we see an evil Shanks on Elbaf, then I think it's all but confirmed that he does have an evil twin brother who is the exact opposite of Shanks.
personally i like the idea that if it is a twin then him and shanks are working together to potray a single person or shanks was abandoned in that chest because the other brother was deemed "superior"
Another aspect not addressed, and often overlooked, but why were the Figarland family ok with letting Shanks get kidnapped (incidentally) by Roger? If Shanks’ mother died on God Valley in childbirth giving birth to twins, and anyone there with her died after hiding the two infants. But the celestial dragons still recovered a baby, why would they even think anything of it, and by the time these children are old enough/the government is aware of Shanks, he’s already been with Roger for years, and would likely be considered a crewmate. So from their perspective, they had a successor, and Shanks wouldn’t be considered a CD, so why bother trying to get him back?
Given that this was happening during Reverie I think hiding his appearance would make a lot of sense. There is no way that the news wouldn't print about this if he were to appear normally. His identity might be a secret for a reason
Everytime you say "the silhouette must be hidden for a good reason" I'll be there to say "Greenbull". Why would he have to be a god's knight? We already have Sabo an Dragon which are leader and subordinate on the same side. Why not another marine or rev actually?
Shanks' evil twin? Wait for even more: there is a 'perfect replica' of Vegapunk awaiting revival. I can't even imagine what Oda is envisioning anymore!!
Probably, but the anime forgetting it as well is kinda weird, it even begins the shot in a more frontal start. We also never got a resolution to that scene, what was the point of it if not a foreshadow of something? The old demons are already done fighting Luffy and we still don't know who the pirate "Shanks" wanted to talk about was .
Actually there’s a lot of evidence that Blackbeard’s inconsistent teeth is a clue to his original devil fruit/ability that lets him have multiple devil fruit powers and never sleep.
Blackbeards teeth might actually be supportive of a theory that he is multiple personalities in one. When the number of holes in his teeth switches his behaviour switches too
@@mrptr9013 Have you seen the episode where zoro from another universe got lost and ended up in this universe? I think it is deliberate in the shanks seen but anime do tend to do mistakes often.
I wonder if Oda will have Luffy think that Shanks' twin is actually him. Luffy should ofc know that Shanks should have a scar, but he did fall for the fake Zoro and Sanji, so I think there's a pretty real chance. It could just be a gag, but if his brother actually uses his similar appearance to Shanks to deceive Luffy or even people on Elbaf, it could turn into a major plot point.
This theory was called crazy… now 4 months later look where we are
Thank God I'm not back here alone😂
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Oh, I definitely came back to this video to show proof of my receipts I made proven I stand by the twin theory since the beginning. 🥳
Aged well haha
They hate him because he told them the truth
Theory aged like fine wine
HMMM
lol exactly
After 1134 spoiler, this video was recommended by youtube.
TRUE BRO
Same
You know that when you guys do this shit, you're straight up just spoiling a chapter for the TH-camr right?
I know what type of man you are.
@@davidhenry7946 what type?
Watch Kid get his run back against Shank's evil brother, Dank.
kid fighting fishes rn
@@isaacblau_he's throating crab turds right now
You means Stabs ?
Nah he's named thanks
@@isaacblau_he is in the ancient Kingdom
My theory is Shanks has an older brother. Shank’s is the illegitimate son of Garling with a most likely dead slave mother, similar to Bonney. That’s why he was offered as a prize in the box. I can’t rationalize any other reason a world noble would be offered other than “dirty blood”. Shank’s older brother is the legitimate heir to the figarland family, a full blooded celestial.
this
i like this
But Shanks looks too much like his father (?) so I wonder if he is full blood? I think Oda is cooking something different
@@godwishgamer He and his brother would have the same dad, different moms. So they’d all look like Prime Garling we saw in God Valley.
This makes more sense to me if Shanks really has a brother
Imagine buggy meeting shanks twin for the first time and talk to him the same way he talk to shanks 😂
@jaywbell2002
This will happen
Shanks having a twin brother is useless
Character woudnt be unic and wouldnt be connected to anyone ( its a lame half/half , thats why the secret evil twin never works )
Buggy is the best masterpiece of Oda
evil shanks wouldnt stand a chance unless he has counter devil fruit to buggy xD
his subordinates would worship him even more, emperor buggy is not even afraid of celestial dragon's god knights 😂
Wrong, he actually has a secret hot sister in the Holy Knights.
Wrong again, he actually has a secret MILF in the Holy Knights.
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you watch too much tekking lol
you're dumb, with a beard? that joke doesn't even make sense
Ah, I see you're man of culture as well
The fact that the scar is ALSO missing in the anime, is too huge to ignore.
The pictures are not from the same angle. Look at the gap between the end of the eyebrows and the top of his nose. The one with the scar is larger indicating that it facing more towards us.
@@nonyabusiness366 I mean the anime did a front close up of Shanks face and they still chose not to show his scar, I'm not fully sold on the theory but that is suspicious
Honestly I encourage anyone who thinks this theory is too far fetched to rewatch that scene in the anime. The way the camera deliberately swings around shanks and avoids showing the scar is really obvious imo
@@300PIVOTMASTER Why wear a cloak though if he is one of their own?
@@enas_one All of the holy knights normally wear cloaks based on the silhouette we have seen and current Garling. Could also be to protect him from being seen by anyone without permission while at reverie
Shanks indeed does has evil twin, but it's not the one who was talking with Gorosei. His brother is Blue-haired Banks, and he is yet to be introduced along with Buggy's red-haired brother, Shuggy, in upcoming One Piece Movie: Blue
More believable than this
Alright, the names killed me because they actually sound believable
@@Kais.KScreenshotting to rub it in your face when it turns out to be a shanks doppelganger.
@@mups4016 I'd love to be proven wrong
@@Kais.K I know you're joking that OP's joke is more believable, but it would be cool if Shanks actually had a brother. The world government would be even more stacked.
"Oda often just writes parents and children looking identical"
Then there's Dragon and Luffy 😂😂
luffy migh be exactly equal to his mom, which has the same traits as garp
Dragon aint his real father, just wait for it
Katakuri and Big Mom 💀
I am DESPERATE for Dragon to get beat up by Luffy at this point
Ahem..... crocodile....coughs....
In Roman mythology, Romulus and Remus are twin brothers found under the Fig tree.
Fig twins?
Figarland twins?
Roman emperors wore a Garland (that leaf crown) on their heads. Fig + Garland. We might just cooked something my man.
@@wowenjoyerAncient Rome is a setting Oda has been saving. No way we close one piece without seeing a civilization based on Rome.
Hol' up thats...... HOLY SHIT
@@TopSandMolecule Whole Mariejois is based on Rome. Gorosei are named after Roman gods, Imu Nerona is Nero (the guy who burned Rome) and Figarland name is specificaly describing that Romulus and Remus event because of the Fig+Garland. Could be a major hint for the "twin" theory. We already got some other hints for the "twin" theory with that "Shanks" Gorosei meeting and that weird stopping of Kaido before Marineford. That was in the New World, faar away from Marineford (other side of Red Line) and he wasnt even damaged. I think the twin stopped Kaido to save the Marines
@@wowenjoyer OMFG, it makes sense! Shit, 100% that the twin stopped Kaido on the orders of the Elders because the Marine would’ve lost the battle. Plus, it’s so convenient for the story that Shanks has a scar on his left side from Blackbeard (imagine if he didn’t have that scar, even though the same story played out - there would be no possible hint about the conclusion involving an evil brother). But for some reason, Blackbeard gave him a scar on his left side, and the most important scene doesn’t show his left side, where we could’ve 100% without a doubt identified him. Plus, chapter 1121. It’s a done deal. For sure, this theory is one of the most promising in One Piece right now.
Morj has an Evil Twin (who uploads the Wano Analysis): ALL EVIDENCE (none)
Paravision is doing a Wano analysis?
Bro actually love reacted to this comment and decided not to do anything about Wano analysis
@@NicSantiagoGPar being the evil twin is the plot twist
This aging like milk right about now
@@Ofwhateverrrrrrright, I am enjoying the laugh because I was with this theory, since the very beginning, even before morj made this video
I am proud of Morj, he only repeated 10 times his last point and not all the points in the video. This is an improvement.
TOO REAL. i love his videos and theories and analyses, BUT LORD
Morj's future sight strikes once again
🎉
Sabo has an evil twin brother (Soba Mask)
😂 Lmfao
sabo mask
No I’m pretty sure soba mask is sogeking since we have never seen them together so far. And we know sogeking is from sniper island so it can’t be him
Stealth black
I will unalive you
HOLLY SHIT! you are Observation haki MASTER 🔥
something you didn't even mention: in the scene where "shanks" talks to the gorosei he is also conveniently wearing a cloak so we can't see if he is missing an arm or not
I was just about to comment that! Cuz if we think Oda has enough attention to detail to exclude the scar then I think the same logic can be applied to the comically oversized cloak "Shanks" was covered in
The cloak thing also suggests that whoever it was came discreetly that wanted to hide their identity. So, if it was a twin celestial dragon brother, then why would he bother with wearing a cloak?
@@dafeels3085They mention something along the lines of considering his status he shouldn’t be talking politics. I think as a holy knight he should carry out the orders of the elders not be telling them his opinion and so he came in secret to prevent other holy knights from being privy to his visit with the elders.
@@dafeels3085 also Oda loves giving characters cloaks just bc cloaks are cool, Garling himself literally wears a cloak lol
Jesus Christ, here is an idea..... He was wearing an oversized cloak to hide his identity because he is a pirate....😮😮😮 Who would have thought
Really surprised you didn’t mention his arm either for that scene.
Shanks has 3 key identifiers: his face scars, his arm, and his hair which has literally created his epitaph. In the scene with the gorosei, we don’t see the scars, we don’t see the fact that his arm is missing, and they do not call him by his name, title as yonko, or epitaph of Red Hair, like most people refer to him as.
To go 0/3 in those categories in that scene is crazier than any theory in my mind.
2 of these are easily explainable
He is wearing a cloak to hide his appearance so obviously we wont see his arm.
For the name thing, we see his face in the very last panel of the chapter, so Oda wont spoil who it is due to the dramatic paneling of the page to give max impact to the reader.
The scar thing is due to the angle of where we are looking at him.
@@SUPERVEGETTO92 right but that’s my point. He is wearing a cloak, and his arm(s) are covered. Intentional or not those are the facts and his missing arm can’t be used to identify him. Even the anime goes out of the way to avoid showing his scar; whether it’s just the angle or not, we don’t see it, and it cannot be used to identify him. And again, whether it’s just dramatic paneling or intentional, his name is not used, and can’t be used to identify him. That’s a lot of coincidences in one short scene
okay but a counterpoint... why would they need to? why do they need to say "shanks..." when we can clearly see that it's him? i'm talking about Oda here lol. why would Oda state the obvious? that doesnt mean it's not Shanks, it just would be bad writing to have it be spelled out to us. we know it's Shanks. that's all there is to it
@@gwen6622that’s not the point though. All key identifying features of Shanks are left ambiguous for a reason. If Oda wanted us to know that it was Shanks for sure, he would have included a detail like the scar or missing arm, or at least had one of the gorosei refer to him as a yonko or call him red-haired. Because none of them are present, the fact that this could be someone other than Shanks himself seems pretty likely.
@@kuhplow8026 no lol. that's a really childish and insane way to think about things. you know what the identifying feature of Shanks we were shown was? his fucking face lol. imagine Oda in that moment drawing Shanks's face and then being like "oh i better show the scar so that people don't think this is Shanks's super secret evil twin!" lmao. you cant be serious
12 holy knights = 12 celestial signs
Shanks/Brother = Gemini
I like that!
If you get this right you deserve a prize man! 😂
@@ZaneBlalock they can also be based on the 12 Archangels too
Feels legit, we'll see how it ages
Shanks was born March 9 so it doesnt check outs. Still some possibility with number 12 as someone commented about Archangels( there supposed to be 7 in my knowledge) Round Table Knights or Charlomagne Knights were still numbering 12 which many feel the Holyknights represent in reverse morality of sorts. The panel is not very clear with the 12siluetes. Some theoriest have speculated that the number of HK range from 7 similar to Warlord, 9 for some reason , 16 from the attacks that both Imu weapon and Doffy final move, and then 19 from the original families of Celestials.
And they called him Madman
Another thing to consider is if it was Shanks' brother who met with the Grosei, which I’m inclined to believe it is, the pirate he wanted to talk about is certainly Shanks. This seems to be more narratively fitting than the previous interpretation that it was Shanks meeting to discuss Blackbeard or Luffy.
thats the twist I expect from Oda and has been my headcanon for years
Can't believe that evil shanks stock is on the rise
No, evil shanks is the one where shanks is evil. Shanks evil twin is an even more cartooney plot twist
@@SJNaka101depending on how its conveyed it could be a great plot point
And I was the very few first to buy into those stocks. I’m already a millionaire for the value now, I’m waiting to be completely revealed to make myself a billionaire 🎉🎉🎉
I wish they would rugpull this bullshit
@@presidentialkingdom2201 silly and cartoonish things can be good.
THE EVIL SHANKS TWIN THEORY
THE EVIL SHANKS TWIN THEORY IS REALLLLLLL
its definitely real
Can we get much higher
I see what you did there haha
Shanks defeated the rat allegations.
“Stabs” really out here on the prowl.
Shivs.
I saw this name so many times before it sunk in the joke with shanks and stabs
Holy shit it became true.
It can’t be evil shanks, he doesn’t have a swirly mustache.
Guess what 😂😂
@ I still don’t see a swirly mustache. Lol.
You didn’t even bring up the whole silhouette of the God Knights and the leader literally looking like Shanks
He mentioned Figarland looking identical to Shanks multiple times.
@@vn9574 that's the joke🤦♂️
8:47 HES ALSO HOLDING IT WITH HIS LEFT HAND, SHANKS LOST HIS LEFT ARM
The Gorosei's dialogue in chapter 907 though suggests that whoever it was came "all this way" and normally wouldn't just stroll in. The existence of other Figarlands is definitely possible, I don't think the dialogue quite supports that person being a God's Knight.
Maybe they exaggerated a bit and Shanks' brother lives at the bottom of the castle or somewhere close to Pangaea castle.
So he had to make his way to the castle and then to the upper floors where the room of authority is.
he probably spies on the revolutionary and then he came across a poster of someone who looks like him and thought damn what did i do to get this bounty but then notices the scar and goes back all the way to mariejois covering his face to chat with the elders about who shanks really is
that is my theory because they also gave a resentment towards him. like who said you can leave your post and that did cost them cu sabo sneaked in
@@minorityzoro He probably didn't just realize who Shanks is because Shanks has been a yonko for years at this point. I think the brother theory makes a lot of sense for all the reasons morj stated, but just doesn't make sense in the context of the actual conversation that they had (as short as it was for us)
If there is someone who looks like Shanks walking around Marie Joah that's cause a lot of confisuin and trouble no ? Especially because of Shanks bounty poster
So maybe he is hiding (?) as a secret trump card
Who’s here after 1134
im here
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He is also the man marked by flames. When Blackbeard's crew was talking about the man marked by flames and the final poneglyph, they theorized that the final poneglyph is in the hands of the government. Shanks' twin is that man. They specifically mentioned he sails a black ship with black sails, and this guy wears black robes as well. His role is to sail around in that black ship in order to prevent anyone from being able to find the final poneglyph that he has in his possession.
It also makes sense in regards to Whitebeard's statement about his scar hurting when looking at Shanks. The last known location of that poneglyph was Fishman Island, which happened to be Whitebeard's territory. Perhaps he scarred Whitebeard when taking the poneglyph?
Interesting
Wouldn’t mariejois be a safer place to prevent someone from finding the road poneglyph than a ship in the middle of the ocean?
@@koolkid533not necessarily if they keep it away from mariejois then it keeps the general population of celestial dragons oblivious to what’s rly going on and the void century. also if they leave it on the sea they could use it as a trap and as a way to know who’s close to finding the one piece
I always thought about what whitebeard said about his scar and I always thought he was talking about Garling since they fought in god’s valley and young Garling looks identical to shanks
@@koolkid533 in theory yes but moving it around continually is smarter which means that its never in one place for too long and its indestructible so they dont want actual pursuers or rogue celestials like don quixotes to stumble apon it and they can just delegate the task to some haxor leet character who can one tap anyone trying to get it, it also could be just some outsider given the task of protecting it and they get celestial protection and immunity/benefits or a set amount of money whilst they drag it around the seas
You forgot that Whitebeard says his injuries hurt when looking at Shanks face back when they met pre time skip. This could have been a major hint looking back at it.
Baby Shanks wearing an outfit that had a sun, moon, and star on it. That’s a Celestial baby.
Fanmade art
@1manshow10 based on Oda's description from the manga realised along with film red (forgot the name)
The evil twin was absolutely warning the elders about Shanks
Conspiracy theory: the Sea King that took Shank's arm delivered it to the WG and then Vegapunk developed a Shanks clone to lead the new gen God Knights
stop 😭😭
Somehow this is LESS stupid than the theory in the video
That's so bad.
You have a very advanced observation haki
Shanks getting that Sanji/Mingo treatment.
Oda watching Dune: Oh, a sandworm!
Oda watching the Acolyte: Oh, evil twin... with red hair?! 📝
It's crazy how from time to time people that make absurd unsubstantiated theories actually end up being right by pure chance. When we only had one panel with shanks without the scar, him having a twin was on par with many other schitzo theories that frankly don't even sound like they're in line with Oda's way of writing at all. Now it's starting to become more believable each passing chapter. And this is not even the first time something like this is happening in recent years
Morj was right about the one piece sea theory
@@murderman8578 the one piece sea theory has never been absurd, nor that much unsubstantiated unless you go far back enough. And also not far from Oda's style.
Not a schitzo theory at all, it was extremely reasonable from day 1
its not really unsubstantiated, but it is kot comprehensivle for simple minded people
@@503amirulhakim5 enlighten us with your superior esoteric knowledge then big boy
If evil Mario is Wario
And evil Luigi is Waluigi
Then evil Shanks is
Wanks
Now we know how he also lost his arm
@@Delta_2209Sea Beast ate it
Mr Morj has his personal redemption arc.
“It’s not the tool, it’s how you use it”
A trope is a trope. It’s how it’s implemented that makes it good or bad. And breadcrumbs and microscopic hints is a genius way to use the trope.
Agree
it's a horrible and cringey trope... pls stop defending this 🤦♂️
@@justno984Tropes can NEVER be bad. Only execution matters when it comes to the quality of writing. Plenty of well written series in entertainment media have used overrated or overused tropes, but their execution of it was done well.
@@vn9574 Bro give me one example of an evil twin trope that came out good?... it doesn't exist cuz it's cringy asf
Alot of people thought Shanks was evil or he will turn on luffy, well there you have it, this makes perfect sense. Instead of changing Shanks, let him have a brother that is pure evil and extremely strong like Shanks
Burn scar is objectively the most important character right now. The silhouette is most likely Burn scar
Nah, makes no sense for the Burn Scar man to be the Silhouette man. The Burn Scar man is said to be holding the last poneglyph, and from how it is stated, he kind of protects or takes care of it. If he was a contender for the One Piece, which the Silhouette man is, the Burn Scar man would be making moves and actually be participating in the race instead of remaining at a place taking care of the poneglyph.
15:19 oh boy this didn't age well
I always hated the idea that Shanks is just the cool guy/mentor character that dies to the villain. I honestly hope this is true.
20 years in and we know next to nothing about Shanks, it would be dumb for it to be that hollow of a character. I'm hoping that Twin idea is just to throw people off, maybe the Twin is actually a nice guy and is warning people about Shanks actually being kind of evil. Luffy having his last opponent be the guy that got him started on his journey would be kind of cool
@ProtomanButCallMeBlues I honestly think THAT would be hollow bc it's so predictable. Virtually everyone has basically said :either BB kills Shanks, Shanks fights Luffy in a Davy Back fight, or Shanks turns out to be a villain," and I think of the 3 options, evil Shanks would be the most hollow bc there'd be no buildup towards it. It's like when you have an entire story happen, and then the ending is "it was all a dream." It feels like it came out of nowhere.
I think evil twin, while cliche, would be the best of both worlds, and maybe if evil Shanks is the one to kill, or at least defeat, Shanks, that would be better, imo.
@@what7530 How is Shanks the final villain more cliche than BB killing Shanks?
why would u think that way? because the lameahh teenager community thinks so? 🤣🤣
i liked the idea of shanks being a CD, makes his actions and his character alot more interesting
Remember when Carrot thought Yonji was Sanji for a second ? It's the same thing here, someone who looks like Shanks exists among the Celestial Dragons
Shanks has third twin, remember when he suddenly had his left arm back?
Totally disagree, unlike Doflamingo whos father was just a random celestial dragon who decided to leave the holy land together with his family, Shanks father is a holy knight, still active, even though Shanks decided to remain a pirate, due to some circumstences he ended up on a pirate ship, that's why Sengoku went along with Shanks request to end the war in Marineford and that's why Goroseis accepted to meet with him in Marijoe. Shanks doesnt have a twin/not twin brother. Thanks to his fathers position, he has some privileges that the other pirates don't and will never have.
Neither can you prove that Shanks has an evil twin/sibling, nor can you prove he doesn't. It all depends on Oda at the end of the day.
Also you only addressed a single point out of like the 5 or more points he made.
Why does Shanks have a dead or alive bounty if he's so freely able to keep a relationship with the Gorosei? Why does his scar not show on his side profile in the panel when it did in the past multiple times? Why do the Gorosei not call out his name or titles even once throughout the entire time he was there? Why does the silhouette have a saber identical to Gryphon? And many more.
Also, from how Figarland executed Mjosgard, he says something along the lines about if you support those who are below the Celestial Dragons, you are even worse than those vermins. That shows his strong beliefs in the superiority of being a Celestial Dragon, and him giving Shanks an exception would go against what he believes.
@@vn9574 cry more lil bro hahahah
Shanks meeting with the Gorosei is intriguing, it raises all sorts of questions. Why would an Emperor go to parley with his greatest enemies, and why would they let him? Oh, it turns out they didn't, it was a character we had no clues about prior to this point meeting with them because they're his boss. Same with the silhouette--we already know there's one guy who looks like Shanks working for the Celestial Dragons, why be so secretive about there being a second one?
Shanks having a brother is a fine plot point in a vacuum, but it's the most anticlimactic answer given the information we've been provided.
Shanks beside Garling.
Different chin.
Different mouth.
Different nose.
Different eyes.
Different brow.
"Same fucking character." - Morj
What I saw analyzed on another video is that the man who approaches the Gorosei uses an entirely different manner of speaking in the original Japanese, something shanks has never used as he speaks exclusively informally.
Just say u got this from dawn dusk
Thanks!
El Hermano has finally arrived into the One Piece universe.
YES
For me, it’s the gorosei saying “you shouldn’t be involved in politics given your position.” They wouldn’t refer to him that way if he was a pirate!
It’s the same way they were surprised when Garland entered
The Sillohuette of Gods Knights when dragon mentioned them looked a lot like shanks too
Small detail that adds to this: the shadowed character is also holding their sword in their left hand, which is the dominant hand Shanks had before he lost that arm to the Lord of the Coast
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The mystery man is 1000% the man marked by flames
If it’s not, I’ll donate my next paycheck to your channel
that's was my first thought as well
would be funny if you earn in negative
The man marked by flames is presented as a caretaker or a protector of the last poneglyph, not a contender for the One Piece. It's very obvious both are different entities.
Omg... I just realised, luffy never saw shanks with his scar right? So if he met "evil shanks" there's a lot of potential in the confusion of the meeting
Uh no shanks already had his scar in chapter 1.
@@blitzgaming9561 you're absolutely right 🤔 I don't know why I was so convinced he didn't...
Shanks is a "failed clone" of Garling, maybe because he failed to display any signs of ruthlessness or ambition. That's why he was left at God Valley. The other "twin" was the "successful" clone who now leads the God's knights. As the WG has been developing an army of perfect soldiers, it would only make sense that they'd also be developing a group of "perfect generals" to lead such an army. This would also explain why the doppelganger would go to the gorosei to talk about him - them looking identical yet having no recollection whatsoever of each other would naturally make the doppelganger curious as to what their relationship was, if any. And such a high-level secret would only be known to the highest ones up the ladder - the gorosei.
An easy counter to this would be that if Shanks brother is part of the celestial dragons, why would he have to cover his body in a cloak, that to me signals that whoever it is doesn't want to be recognised by the rest of the celestial dragons hence hiding his identity, if this was shanks holy knight brother why would he do that? he would've just rocked up with his normal clothes.
Because he is needed to appear like he could be Shanks is the most likely reason if this is true... But maybe he was undercover on the "mortal" world and had just come back, IDK.
Remember in the flashback how all the inferior celestial dragons were crazy about Garling, screaming and all that? Dude has the same problem and didn't want those inferior nobles making a ruckus on his way there.
To hide the fact he’s not missing an arm from us, the readers. And the Gorosei mention “given his status” he shouldn’t be dealing with politics, it’s likely that God’s Knights aren’t to get involved in the affairs of the government, & act purely as police. It’d be like if a cop went up to congress and decided to give his opinion on how things should be done
cause it was during the reverie and there were other people there than just the celestial dragons lol?
he's literally the prince, what would u expect?
Blud had future sight
Yea let’s introduce the brother of a character we’ve been dying to learn more about for 20+ years. Praying this isn’t the case.
Remember shanks also lost an arm saving luffy from the sea creature. It’ll be easy to decipher.
What if shanks isn't even figarlands son, but actually a clone of figarland himself? Could explain why they looked identical, and this character could just be another clone they made after losing shanks.
Funny, I was literally just thinking this.
Yes
The whole clone thing is stupid and would ruin the series.
@@vn9574 tbh i think the twin thing is more likely, the only known clone is of buckingham stussy and she along with vegapunk and caeser created it with MADS. That came after the rocks pirates fell at gods valley, and we know that shanks was found after the god valley incident.
@vn9574 There are already clones though... Stussy is a clone, Vegapunk cloned his mind across 6-7 bots, etc...
It's possible but they say "Why did you come all this way?" and mentions he should have nothing to do with politics. That doesnt sound like they're talking to a celestial dragon. That image of a Shanks lookalike, the silhouette, is suspicious, but I dunno.. doesnt add upp with the gorosei meeting shanks scene imo
He was probably in a mission. And yes it makes sense for him to not be involoved in politics.
@@cowdyayaad6378 why wouldnt they send him to clean up pirates I wonder? He could end everyone except yonko easily. But I guess it could be retconned, like Sabo not trying to save Ace
Its more likely, as some on this comment section have said, that he is a god's knight and as such is usually out there serving imu/the 5 gorosei, so it would be like if an fbi agent came up to the president and started giving his opinions on policy
People who believed in Shanks Twin theory back then:
S T O N K S
Making apple juice with oranges tbh. Garland inst even confirmed to be shanks dad. using non confirmed info to prove anything is already shaky.
I don’t understand ppl being SO CONFIDENT in this theory. It’s one thing to float it and think it’s possible, but everyone is speaking as if it has been 100% confirmed.
Who is here after chapter 1134
I think one of the most important contrasts one could make between Shanks and a CD brother is that Shanks is representative of the ideal Pirate through Roger and to Luffy, so the brother should embody the ideal Celetial Dragon by his own family.
That way, the fight can be a very distinct comparison between these two lifestyles, and why one is better than the other.
MORG WAS RIGHT YOU WERE RIGHT AGAIN
Im crying bro, Figarland Stabs might be real.
I sure hope everyone is wrong.
i disagree with this oda made it clear that shanks is a figarland which is a respected name in the celestial dragons so thats why they let him in
Oda made it clear that Shanks is a Figarland? When? Chapter?
This aged like fine wine
While i agree with all this when did we decide that was shanks father? Could be an uncle, grandpa etc
Maybe shanks brother (the silhouette with the saber) is the mysterious dark guy that holds the last porneglyph and that is also how this shady mysterious guy ( with the burn scar) could „pop out“ of nowhere and be so strong that no one knows anything abt him and I also don’t know if he has a Bounty but this would explain why he doesn’t have one
We donr know if Fingarland is Shanks's father tho. But it's very plausible that Shanks has a relative.
Imagine Luffy gets to meet Shanks properly after a decade apart, and Shanks replies with, "... Do I know you?"
"My name is Retep nd I am EVIL!"
Unless he’s kind of like “sword” for the elder stars. Undercover for the holy knights
The big thing that points against the twin/brother theory is why would he need to obscure himself with a cloak? Celestial dragons are mostly ignorant towards any people on the "lower" seas, so how many actually know about Shanks and also the twin/brother can change his hair style to look a bit different.
And for his role in the story, does he really need much of story? And even if we give him a "bigger" role in the story, his father fits the role. He is old, yes, but you can get around that by a secret Figarland bloodline plot armor that if they use both arms they get stronger, so Shanks cannot use his actual full power but Garling can which will make them equal. Well or Oda find another way for amnesia to work that out😂
I mean, the anime did keep this "error", so, it's plausible it was placed there intentionally by Oda, and he may have told the storyboard artists/animators to not draw it. And, since we see an evil Shanks on Elbaf, then I think it's all but confirmed that he does have an evil twin brother who is the exact opposite of Shanks.
personally i like the idea that if it is a twin then him and shanks are working together to potray a single person or shanks was abandoned in that chest because the other brother was deemed "superior"
The evil shanks also wanted to talk to the gorosei about a “certain pirate”. Probably meant the real shanks.
Who else is here after 1134 spoilers?
“Does Shanks have a mom?” Well I’d sure hope so.
Well technically, in the eyes of the Celestial Dragons, Shanks has a *good* twin.
Another aspect not addressed, and often overlooked, but why were the Figarland family ok with letting Shanks get kidnapped (incidentally) by Roger? If Shanks’ mother died on God Valley in childbirth giving birth to twins, and anyone there with her died after hiding the two infants. But the celestial dragons still recovered a baby, why would they even think anything of it, and by the time these children are old enough/the government is aware of Shanks, he’s already been with Roger for years, and would likely be considered a crewmate. So from their perspective, they had a successor, and Shanks wouldn’t be considered a CD, so why bother trying to get him back?
W theory bro this liking like the case 👀
I like how Morji didn’t even mention the God Knight silhouette thay looks remarkably like Shanks
is this seriously about to come true... holy shit. I fucking hate this
loooooll saaamee
Imo if it was Shanks' brother or something he wouldn't really have to come see the Gorosei hidden under a cloak looking all suspicious lol
Given that this was happening during Reverie I think hiding his appearance would make a lot of sense. There is no way that the news wouldn't print about this if he were to appear normally. His identity might be a secret for a reason
Everytime you say "the silhouette must be hidden for a good reason" I'll be there to say "Greenbull".
Why would he have to be a god's knight? We already have Sabo an Dragon which are leader and subordinate on the same side. Why not another marine or rev actually?
Shanks' evil twin? Wait for even more: there is a 'perfect replica' of Vegapunk awaiting revival. I can't even imagine what Oda is envisioning anymore!!
With all the timesOda's fucked up which Teeth are missing from Blackbeard's mouth, its safe to say that Shanks scar missing was simply a mistake
Probably, but the anime forgetting it as well is kinda weird, it even begins the shot in a more frontal start.
We also never got a resolution to that scene, what was the point of it if not a foreshadow of something? The old demons are already done fighting Luffy and we still don't know who the pirate "Shanks" wanted to talk about was .
Actually there’s a lot of evidence that Blackbeard’s inconsistent teeth is a clue to his original devil fruit/ability that lets him have multiple devil fruit powers and never sleep.
Blackbeard's teeth might be a hint at an ability of his.
Blackbeards teeth might actually be supportive of a theory that he is multiple personalities in one. When the number of holes in his teeth switches his behaviour switches too
@@mrptr9013
Have you seen the episode where zoro from another universe got lost and ended up in this universe? I think it is deliberate in the shanks seen but anime do tend to do mistakes often.
GODA never ceases to amaze me
But why this "twin" should hide himself to talk to the Gorosei ? And why they said "You aren't concerned by politics" if he is a celestial knights ?
I wonder if Oda will have Luffy think that Shanks' twin is actually him. Luffy should ofc know that Shanks should have a scar, but he did fall for the fake Zoro and Sanji, so I think there's a pretty real chance. It could just be a gag, but if his brother actually uses his similar appearance to Shanks to deceive Luffy or even people on Elbaf, it could turn into a major plot point.