College football rivalries are officially DEAD | Colin Cowherd Podcast
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- Colin Cowherd and ‘3 & Out’ host John Middlekauff discuss why the expanded College Football Playoff could kill college football rivalries, and Lincoln Riley’s staff overhaul at USC.
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The golden age of college football is over. Money has once again corrupted amateur sports and has taken over. No longer will sports teach teamwork, honor, loyalty and fortitude. The damage has already begun an is massive. One of the most storied conferences in college football, the Pacific Coast Conference will be gone next year and kids are quitting their teams and transferring when times are tough or there’s more money to be made. Many don’t realize what we’re losing and won’t until its gone. Sadly, that is the history of man. Greed wins, humanity loses.
Blame capitalism
So all those coaches who got up and bounced whenever who taught all of these " values" doesn't apply to them
We are entering the golden age of college football viewership has never been higher
@foxnoel9434 Doubtful. A few will rise, the rest will fall. The Golden age caused the viewership, as people begin to hate what it turns into, the viewership will fall. 10-20 years from now we'll all look back at these moments as the downfall.
@@avacadomangobanana2588 It's not capitalism. Today's generation believes they're entitled to things without earning it. They believe they deserve more than the millions that came before them.
The sky isn't falling. Just because it's easier to get in the playoff doesn't make rivalries any less important. Schools will hate each other no matter what. Fans will love earning bragging rights until the end of time. Chill out, people.
It's all the "back in my day" folk, who swear they're progressive, yet hate on anything new 😒
Exactly, the FCS has 24 team playoffs and it doesn't have any negative effect on the rivalries down there
It does make it less important tho, just look at baseball
@@RIPJimmyA7Xyes it does lol. Montana would rather win the title than beat Montana State, and Montana State would rather win the title than beat Montana. In the old CFB, losing to your rivals put you out of title contention.
Hard to have a rivalry if you don’t play them anymore.
Well i lasted watching 8 minutes until the avalanche of Lincoln excuses went into full effect. I shoulda known better... Colin's gotta protect his guys at all costs.
He will never bite the bullet on anyone associated with USC, ever. I actually like colin but I can't stand how much he meat rides all USC players and coaches. The only person who played or coached there I've seen him criticize is Pete Carroll but he still jumped on every chance to compliment him.
LOL right, the same way Josh pate will make excuses for A&M and bama for underwhelming szn
@tyronpouncey5985 Pate has never made excuses for A&M. He has however said they’re capable of being a top tier program if they stopped getting in their own way. As for Bama when have they underwhelmed 💀
Rivalry’s don’t matter? You must not live in Oklahoma or Texas.
Or Florida.
Michigan and Ohio State will always be the biggest rival in sports.
Rivalries don’t matter. Grammar and Punctuation matter.
@@jeffreyoverly7372 spell check got me I guess.
Television networks, conference realignment destroyed college sports.
How?
there is always D2 or lower divisions.
They did the same to the NFL in 1959
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@@winnah2314 He's talking slow to us because he thinks we're stupid.
Colin is such a scrub. With fans like Colin, who needs enemies
From 2000-Today the Alabama squad has played 4 total true road non-conf games. Hawaii, KSU, Penn State etc. They are 2-2
More people watched college football last season than ever before. The sky isn’t falling
And with that, so goes much of the point and interest of college football. The quality of play will never be close to NFL quality. Very few teams are actual contenders every year.
All that leaves is the rivalries . And with that gone..........what exactly is the point of watching? If I want quality play from the best, I'll watch the NFL.
Rivalries will still exist. Some just may not exist in the same way anymore.
I'm not sure I agree with John and Colin that they just won't matter. They still matter to fans/alumni.
That being said, I am speaking as an LSU fan and my rivalries are largely staying intact so maybe I'm privileged.
The 68 team NCAA tournament and 1 and done has done nothing to diminish UNC vs Duke. Texas vs OU, ND vs USC, Iron Bowl, Michigan vs Ohio State will be great forever.
But no one can name a single men’s college player other than Bronny.
The tournament did kill the regular season and we care a lot more about the WNCAA than the men’s now.
To be honest, I don't know if I agree or not with rivalries being dead. I really don't. However, here are two things that I would be interested about that aren't really being talked about.
Take for example Marshall University. Most people know Marshall because of the film and the real tragedy that happened there. Where is Marshall's place in college football? Years ago on ESPN, I heard this little debate about is the Big Ten or Pac-12 better than the SEC. Jamele Hill said, "When Tennessee and Ole Miss are the worst programs in your conference, it has to be the SEC." In that kind of vein, again, what is college football when you have a storied program such as Marshall outside of the two super-conferences now? I am more interested in those teams than I am the super-conferences. I do think there is a point of having too much.
Secondly, I am interested about what the coaching is going to look like on the FBS level. I am seeing a lot of these great , seasoned, and respected FBS/D1 coaches getting out of those levels and either going from FBS to FCS teams or going from FBS/FCS to DII teams because of not wanting to deal with professional football, which is what college football now is. I am curious if there will be about a 7-10 year gap where you have a lot of young coaches gaining experience at FBS schools, not FCS or DII programs, but, because they are so young and unseasoned, that there will be a bit of a drop-off in the level of coordinator and positional coaching. I could be wrong. I am just curious about it.
Rivalries are here to stay. The Iron Bowl or Egg Bowl is not going away. Tennessee will still hate Bama and vice versa. Texas vs Texas A&M will be glorious. The Gamecocks will still hate Clemsux
Colorado hates Nebraska and vice versa and they haven’t played in the same conference for decades. Hate runs deep in sports
Colin sees sports as strictly money-making operations instead of cultural and communal cornerstones. He's willing to see important parts of humanity go because "they don't make my bosses at Fox enough money." College football, which had the most traditional and localization is now dead, American sports are all franchises, they don't belong to their communities they belong to a handful of rich people. The College Football Super League will be the death of the game, but at least people like Coilin and his bosses will make some money. PATHETIC... Watch USL soccer; it's the closest mixture of sports and community. To all those disillusioned by capitalism getting its tentacles into sports, You'll Never Walk Alone.
ejb3605 especially if there are talks about coming economic depression . Who is going to afford cable and satellite television especially when inflation is out of control. It going to affect college football too.
Conference title games should bite the dust long before the meaning of rivalry games is allowed to erode.
The USC copium is at an ALL time high.
Oregon State and Washington State are now de-facto G-5 teams. Big Ten (and all P-4) teams always play 2-3 lower tier games (G-5/FCS) games to pad their schedules. There’s no reason Oregon and Washington can’t continue to play Oregon State and Washington State every year.
Florida plays Florida State every year, USC plays ND every year. It’s not like there are no out-of-conference rivalries, even against tougher teams.
I’ve never looked forward to a college season so much. I’ve been checked out because I can’t spend Saturday afternoons watching OSU beat directional schools by 60 anymore. They can go 10 weeks without a real opponent.
The classic moments are officially gone for good in college football.
That doesn't make sense. Nothing will be classic from this moment on?
Great takes and discussion
There’s a big difference in being able to have one tough out of conference game and having 2. You can’t focus on just winning your conference when you have 2 top 15 games out of conference. It’s not that difficult to understand
Old rivals may fizzle out but NEW ones will begin. Example, Carolina/Duke was NOT always a big thing because Duke only got good about 2 yrs AFTER Coach K took over at Duke.
The greater concern is making sure that each Team is firmly College affiliated, if not they will just be another bunch of Semi Pro Teams. If there is no Alabama/North Carolina/Duke/Michigan/USC/Ohio State...on the FRONT OF THE JERSEY those Stadiums will Never be filled! There will be no Students to cheer and go crazy, no Alumni to pour in money...without the Colleges, attendance and TV Revenue would be WORSE than the UFL. IT IS STILL COLLEGE FOOTBALL and NOBODY better forget that! Experimenting will have to happen to see what works best under this new system to try and make the playing field even, and don't go nuts when rules are changed. I'm glad kids are getting paid and not thrown away like so much trash if they get hurt or when their eligibility is up. But it is STILL ABOUT THE NAME ON THE FRONT OF THE JERSEY!
as a european footbal (you'd call it differently) I can tell you that rivalries don't lose importance, my team wasn't able to play their rivals for almost 10 years, when it happened it was war
College football is in trouble, but it's not broken, for it to truly die there would need to be a few more steps taken. Like the SEC and Big Ten exchanging teams to balance the leagues out and cutting everybody else out of their super league. That COULD happen but it looks like it wouldnt happen anytime soon.
When rivalries die so will the passion for following the sport. I for one have no interest in the new college realignment. Many times students go to colleges because of the traditions of the rivalries and continue to do so after graduation and pass this down to their children.
People acting like Ohio State is just gonna run the conference now in the future is kind of funny to me. Oregon is building a monster. Ohio State obviously is going to be near the top, but Ohio State not just gonna have control of the Big Ten with Oregon coming in with how Oregon is recruiting. it is way more likely it’ll be Oregon and Ohio State and then you will have the second tier which will be Penn State Michigan and maybe USC . Oregon is taking recruits and has the last couple years from Ohio State.
Rivalries are part of what make COLLGE football special… so is representation from all 134 FBS schools… STOP TRYING TO TURN COLLGE FOOT ALL INTO NFL JR
As a real college football fan rivalries will always be alive for me lsu bama lsu Florida lsu auburn our rivalries will never day for us down here
I think regionally these games will still stay rivalries until all of us that remember them pass away. New rivalries are bound to arise though.
Rivalries will always matter.
NIL and realignment is killing College football. It’s over
I can assure you that BYU v Utah is not dead
My biggest issue with this merger was and still is that I have an issue with the travel schedule. I'm not as worried about the rivalries, though that really sucks. I'm worried these games won't be even. The big travel ones will always be blow outs bc these college kids won't be ready for the travel schedule for the endurance, weather changes, plus class schedules. If USC goes to Purdue they'll get blown out, and vice versa if Purdue comes to USC. I think it will be popular on TV early but fans will opt out after a few seasons of the rinse and repeat predictability of travel fatigue and lack of rivalries that make college football great. I gwt that USC in a bigger market sounds good on paper. But there's too many other important factors missing.
The Big Ten is packed full of rivalries
I'm kinda shocked at Colin. He normally embraces the evolution of a sport. Some rivalries will die. Yet, new rivalries will be born to take their place. Texas-Alabama, Oklahoma-LSU...It's the nature of sports. Realignment didn't kill baseball or the NFL. Did they change? Heck yeah! New villains were born to replace the old.
College football is destroyed. If you only have two conferences, how does boise state happen
College football was so much better 50 years ago. I remember it.
Have to see a couple of playoffs before we sign off on it being a windfall. There’s years where two teams are the only good teams and not as exciting.
College football has changed forever. Ive always loved it, i think it will still be great. The young adults flat out deserved to get paid. College for free is great for most amateur athletes but football made so much money its only right they get some.
rivalries are still much alive, but to be more exact regional rivalries still in exist in the Sun Belt and SEC (who are regional conferences).
Keep sleeping on Michigan, we love it. Best Rb in the country, best TE in the country, best CB in the country, prolly best D line in the country with graham and grant. GO BLUE
Rivalry games will be fine. I can argue it’s even easier now to play a tough schedule with more big games. A single loss doesn’t end their season.
In some rivalry games it can actually add value. Ole Miss was 9-2 going into the Egg Bowl. In the 12 team era, that would be a de facto playoff game for them. State could play big time spoiler instead of just for bowl eligibility.
There will be a super conference. However, we will get large state universities with NIL money that will keep other conferences relevant
I disagree. We have some great new rivalries, and some old rivalries renewed. We have now get Texas Texas A&M back, we still have Texas Oklahoma, and a great new Texas Alabama rivalry. We also now get Michigan vs Oregon, and Washington vs Michigan and Ohio State. We also get Utah vs BYU back, and Arizona vs Kansas St. we still have Arizona vs Arizona St. In the ACC we now get Stanford vs Clemson and SMU vs Florida State. We still get UCLA vs USC. I think the new alignment and playoff is huge for College football. I love that Colin orders doordash. We need more wealthy people ordering doordash and Uber. That helps the economy!
I live in Oregon and am SHOCKED to think that the Civil War and Apple Cup might ever not be a rivalry. IMHO, even if they are irrelevant, they'll still be a rivalry.
BTW - they don't call it the Civil War lately, but haven't come up with a replacement moniker.
Also, what if Washington or Ordgon simply have no spot on their schedule? In that case, there goes the rivalry ! End of a 100+ year tradition....
I really concerned for college football but in 30-35 years, when Zoomers kids are turning 18, no one will really be going to college anyways. Sad to watch it go down like this (and rivalries will still definitely be alive as long as the athletic programs remain intact) but this feels inevitable. As soon as college football was openly commercialized, the writing was on the wall.
Colin Riley Strikes again
Idc what nobody says…. COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS BACK. Idk what it is, maybe it’s the new playoff system maybe it’s the video game coming back so we can actually keep up with the players but this upcoming season feels different
Yes things are changing some not for the better. I don't think that rivalries are All going away. I will miss "Bedlam", The Civil War, AppleCup...etc. also the Iron Skillet may be going away with SMU in the ACC.
John Nailed it: Ohio State is the Steinbrenner Yankees.
I disagree but certainly it will be different going forward but some rivalries will still remain
As an Alabama fan, lodlsing to Auburn, LSU, and Tennessee is still a problem
Hate to break it to Colin, but Georgia doesn't go into bidding wars in NIL. Tennessee actually has one of the best NIL collectives. Dont sleep on Alabama's collective.
Rivalries will matter. The rivalries will change. Rivalries will grow based on who upsets who. Ex: The Big12 considered Nebraska the rival because Nebraska beat them. Nebraska still doesn't consider Iowa a rival, but it is close.
As a UCLA fan I dislike this discussion about college football NIL like it's just predetermined. There are 4-6 goid teams and the rest art all trash. That might be true, but... listen... if you KILL the rivalry... when the playoff coming.... then you MUST do something to create parity. The NFL does this very well. It must be done for this new college football world.
CC is as qualified to comment on college football as I am to give golf lessons. I mean, I've broke 90 twice, once without a mulligan.
Michigan pays its players only after they perform so it’s not that you have to just spend a certain amount to be successful.
Listening to these goofballs talk college ball is hilarious
College Sports in general are losing my interest, especially Basketball and Football, kinda sad, don't think it'll ever be like when we were younger of course. I don't mind the players getting paid, but it's basically pro amateur sports now.
These greedy money driven power conferences have destroyed college sports. I have no interest
Damn what did Kentucky do to catch that stray 🤣
Ohio state vs Michigan means nothing.
money ruins everything I just wish it would ruin me for a change
Did John Middlekoff just fix his mouth to say Apple Cup and the civil war we’re bigger rivalries then Washington-Oregon? No, he needs a history lesson and he obviously doesn’t know the PAC 12 very well if he is saying that. Washington- Oregon rivalry is the most hated rivalry that the two schools have. Both fan bases consider that game the true rivalry. They literally call it hate week. Yes those other rivalries are good, but they’re not the level of Washington and Oregon or the vitriol and hate between the two schools.
You wanted this.
Lsu CAN lose to USC, i dont want it to happen, im a LSU fan, but i dont trust brian kelly to get a team ready for week 1. Hasnt done it yet
Bring back WWU vs CWU rivalry! Hot tub time machine to 2009 and tell president No!!!! Dont you dare get rid of football team!
Thank you Colin! SC is back and LSU is trash
The Best young coach is Mike Norvell, and Lincoln couldn't win 10 games with the first round pick there not winning 10 games every year 🤣
Lincoln Riley would've gotten exposed day 1 in the SEC lol, the same way he'll get exposed by year 3 in the BIG 10
Colin is wrong....the issue isnt amount of things to do.....is is price
Who is paying $600-800 for a family of 4 to go to a stupid sports game?
MI is gonna be #1
The slowest time of the year to come up with something to talk about.. here is the evidence
There hasn't been a single change in sports in the last thirty years that has been positive for anyone who isn't directly making lots of money from the changes.
Lincoln Riley has proven time and time again to not give a damn about defense, he will never win a championship because of that
Stop 🛑,🤦🏿♂️
My interest in college sports died after they destroyed and stole all the top teams from the Big East
Nope
Collegge football...I don't care anymore. I want the PAC-12. don't give a damn about the BIG 20 or whatever it is.
Anybody that doesn’t like the way it’s being ran. Go apply at the NCAA and fix it
Yeah cause they’ll surely hire someone trying to change the way they wanna do things 😂
"The Game" will just be "A Game" now. It will never be "All or Nothing" again. I would rather go further in the playoffs than OSU, than beat them in a regular season game.
Going further in the playoffs means nothing if you don't beat your arrogant, cheating, skunk weasel enemies. If it dies, It won't be because of anyone born before 2010
@@marcos3497 In basketball, I count Michigan final 4s, not wins over MSU. I think the same thing will happen with OSU/Michigan.
I’m a SC fan and I’ve been saying they need to stop recruiting those soft ass California lineman.
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NFL>college football.
Lincoln Riley LOL He’s a joke
College football has morphed into a minor professional league. How's that working out for the other sports? Maybe they can juice it by allowing gambling on fantasy games? OR... maybe we can legislate an end to the NFL's age discrimination and allow those players who have zero interest in education to go right to the pros. Then the NFL can foot the bill for its own development programs and our universities can get back to playing student-atheletes... like they do in almost all the other sports.
I think what many are missing is that by virtue of the short-sighted decisions of some of these schools, the NCAA is squeezing the number of schools that can compete, and they have turned football players into mercenaries with no loyalty, ties, or contractual balance to the league. The $$ is going to dictate that there will be 2 or 3 conferences, and fewer than 30 schools that have any shot at the NIL deals and the paychecks required to attract these mercenary athletes. I am not blaming the athletes, I am blaming the morons who have created the wild west with these new lawless football games inside our school systems. What did you think was going to happen when you open the floodgates to unfettered mercenary rules?
For full transparency, my conference is dead, and so is my college team, so I guess you could say that I am salty. Now I get to choose between a professional football league (NFL) that has a salary cap, competitiveness, valid contracts and rules, to a lower-tiered professional football league (NCAA) that has no clear rules, no salary cap, and no loyalty from their mercenaries, and no contracts to even tie the players to the school. At least in the NFL you get your athletes for 4-5 year contract deals, and expect to have mostly the same team from year to year. The NCAA has thousands in the portal every year, looking for a better deal.
If there was an allure of the student athlete, it's gone. Some might say that it was already "somewhat gone". Maybe, but now there is no pretending. These guys are mercenaries. If there was an allure of playing for the love of the game? It's gone. If there was an allure of the "any given day", it's gone. If there was an allure of a "team" player that you might see for 4 years? It's gone, as they are hopping from team to team based upon the better deal. The portal is even open during Christmas and the kids leave mid year. It's nuts. The crazy part is that there aren't even any rules. It's the wild west, with law suits claiming damages for 50 years, and an unknown landscape in which the NCAA has no authority. Players are creating unions, while they are in school, receiving a free education from public taxpayer funds. I cannot even imagine the Title IX issues, or the cost to non-revenue generating scholarships for all of our Olympic sports. I think the likelihood is that half of the scholarships go away, and only the schools with the billions in endowments (Ivy, B1G, SEC, etc.) are going to keep them.
If you are from Alabama, or Ohio State, or one of the bigs, you can celebrate. Congratulations, you have secured your spot in the top tier, and you will now get richer as a % of the entire pie. Alabama doesn't have a pro team, and so their fans will be intact. Same with Oregon, LSU, etc. However, let's just say you diminish the competitiveness and interest in the other 75 teams in NCAA D1. How many fans did they have? Maybe 40% of the value? Where does that money go? My guess is that the size of the pie will go down.
My feeling is that I will never watch an NCAA game again. There's no point. My school has no shot, the players are one and done, and the game isn't as good, as competitive, as fast, or as fair as the NFL. The players aren't amateurs anymore, and I have never once watched an NBA G-League game, or an NHL minor league game, or a MLB minor league game, or an Arena Football game, or a Canadian Football game. In this new environment, NCAA D1 players are now mercenary pros who aren't as good as the players in the NFL, and they have no loyalty to the school.
Some will disagree, and that's fine. Like I said, if you are already rich, you are probably fine. Some of you also have ties to your school, and you will keep going, like my uncle's allegiance to University of Montana or my buddy's allegiance to Virginia Tech. That's great. However, I would suggest that the rest of the fans are going to see the NFL as a better option. How many is to be determined, but I am one of them. Just my 2c. Let's keep it civil. :)
TLDR
College football is trash now. Lets be real.
USC owns Ohio State 😂😂 Nice try though ✌🏽
This is the best era of college football. Fight me.
College Football is TRASH NOW 🗑️ 😂😂😂
collage football is dead i rather be with my friends at all my special events at the movies and watching libraray movies and peacock and netflix wwe stuff watching the old stuff
I like college football like this.
No one is excited for college football this year. I am not really watching much this season.
Bruh do you know why NIL and all these huge TV contracts exist? Because no one cares if YOU internet random boy didn't watch. They have more viewership than EVER
TRUMP 2024
I won’t be watching anymore. I’m done with college sports.