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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- That fire slam is DISSAPOINTING! 97 damage on a unarmored enemy.... 1-2 damage on an armored enemy. Well I guess we just ignore the "special attack" what else do we have? 40% of the time we get a slash proc.... why am I not using a normal slash melee again?
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Yeah I’m aware it can be a “pistol stat stick” for giving Mesa more fire rate.... but reminder that works WITHOUT THE INCARNON this upgrade is underwhelming
Laughs with incarnon prisma skana red crit monster
I feel the furax got robbed. Especially since the Bo got +4 range. The slam is depressing. I tried the slide attack build, but between my PTSD from the telos boltace & the annoying lifted status/lack of status it doesn't do much w/o strips. I think a lot of it is because I'm comparing it to the pre-nerfed melees(and aoe nerf aswell), and versus those it doesn't hold up as much as I'd want it to or as an incarnon melee really should. What'd really be great for it, and quick attack melees in general would melee arcane adapters, but I wont cross my fingers for that.
have you tried using a heat inherant build for amplifying the heat dmg from the slam?
@@zupermannekegg5828 heat inherit won't help if base tick is like 20...
try mod-ing for status and impact, with the slash incarnon option. if you use a primer, this thing deals some decent slash dmg
The irony of the heavy slam is that it sends enemies out away from the fire when it would be betterish if it pulled enemies into it instead
flame vortex when?
Literally told Scott and Pablo this three years ago. Crickets.
Glad someone is finally covering these
This man was on stream till 4am playing with these ! !
Furax is my favourite melee since Day01 (no joke) no matter of it low stats, i just like fist-fighting-style in video games and this weapon looks so damn slick. I try to make the Furax work since 2015, imade multiple different builds to find its correct use, but well... the Furax´s dps is simply just to low to be an efficient Steelpath weapon. After i installed the incarnon on the Furax and start testing, i came to the same conclusion. The sad truth is: It's just not good enough, thanks for confirming my results, i thought i might have miss something as well. My second guess is, DE is too careful with Melee-incarnons in general. When we take the Innodem and Praedos (from Zariman) as example, they were mediocre as well, the incarnon-buff concept might be only for Guns the most beneficial.
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Man reading this is heartbreaking. I hope this weapon is becoming better some day, you deserve it!
At least since whispers in the wall you can make even regular non incarnon rivenless furax easily SP viable.
2 digit damage on a special gimmick has to be a bug at this point
make blood rush/weeping wounds work on it and maybe we can have some red crit fire wave
DE buffing Impact be like:
"Well just let it proc Slash somehow"
lol it really do be like that
Thanks for testing the stat stick interaction, was wondering if that works or not.
Heavy slams have very few mods that work on them. Elemtal damage, heavy slam damage, combo damage increase, outside damage buffs. Base damage mods don't work.
They also don't take any moded critical chance. Avenger does work tho
"base dmg mods don't work what give it away? was it the 2 dmg heat proc LUL
If you have 1 incarnon melee you have them all. Melee incarnons don't do anything except for movement/utility stat stick.
This makes me feel better about my choice 🥲
They need to fix the aoe damage and make the slam pull enemies instead of pushing them away.
that could be kind of cool, great idea
Glad I watched this. I was going to pick the bo and furax. Guess I'll go for the bo and strun.
thank you very much for your comment I was trying to inform players that haven't choosen this week
the incarnon would be better if it pulled enemies in so you could have a gap closer with the melee. I chose this unfortunately, but i like Furax so i guess its not that bad
Depending on the range of the pull, would also synergise with the Attack Speed buff since more enemies would be in range.
So many things about this could be nice if it got a bit of tweaking, but I'm not holding my breath.
Although this Furax Incarnon is underwhelming. I think I'm having quite a blast, like literally in enemies faces.
1. That +1 Range is godsend when I didn't have any room for any +range mods.
2. That Impact to bleed may help me deal with pesky armor.
All you had to do to bring Furax incarnon to the next level is
1. Install 2 Amar's Mods on Warframe (I have mine on Valkryr)
2. Have Gloom subsumed
3. Arcane Dexterity on both Weapons
4. Corrupt Charge + Riven that have +30 Combo count.
Incarnon melee is just a few buffs with nothing special. But the guns always get a whole new special mechanic and its own stats.
yep guess ill pretty much stop grabbing the melee for now
Do the incarnon perks affect atlas's 1 ability? Specifically the impact to bleed? And if it does, does it need to be in incarnon form to work?
most likely not.
I heard some people giving the incarnon prisma skana a hard time, but I managed to get the thing doing purple crits with a combo counter that can hit x12 in roughly 3 seconds with a grouping ability. It's no slouch. Plus being able to heal you periodically, its a really nice utility combo knife that isn't afraid to throw out a heavy attack when needed.
the beautiful thing about the skana incarnon is that it is currently the strongest stat stick for pseudo exalted frames, since the base status chance and cc buffs apply to things like khora’s whip and atlas’ fist, letting you do some really stupid shit without a riven, and being straight up broken with a riven
@@rainingdeathx3368 I just like calling 400% crit chance purple. If I could change the color for the 4th teir, I'd make it purple.
Just unlocked the Bo incanon last night which also has the 40% slash on impact. With no weeping wounds or bloodrush, I was doing just fine against steel path armored grinner with no armor stip outside of shattering impact. But the Bo has so much range and has such a generous hit box, that I could run through a hallway spamming attack, turn around at the end of the hallway and look back to see a bunch of lifted enemies dieing to slash/toxin procs. 20 minutes later and I started using ashes 4 to deal with heavy units. Sometime after that I started using my occucor to spread status. But I was surprised that with no blood rush or weeping wounds that it was still able to kill at that level. The steel path bosses(I forget their name, the ones that drop arcanes and steel essence) didn't stand a chance, they were armor stripped and bleeding out before they could use an ability. Eximus put up a much harder fight than them
Thanks for this video, I was looking forward to building a Furax Wraith Incarnon this week since I got both Braton and Paris Incarnon on week 1, it's not exactly a bad weapon but it's disappointing since it takes a lot to grind for.
Latron is the way to go.
Sad to see it doesn't work for stat stick. I wanted to use it with Atlas.
it works as long as you don't pick "combo paused while holstered"
Man, they look so cool, I wish they were a bit better.
same
i do have a suggestion for those desperate to use this in some way. i dont have much forma on mine, but running blood rush, sacrificial steel and weeping wounds, while under the influence of the furious javelin buff can make it do some decent damage against 115 grineer steel path gunners. but clunky as ever though unfortunately.
Dam the wait for the Burston video is real lol
You can do some cool stuff with the slide attack build and gas. Grouping abilities then you slide through and things just die.
This is probably one of the only weapons where the crit damage archon shards are really potent. The added crit damage on slide attacks with the easy to access extra crit damage let's you hit insane multipliers with also large crit chance values. Still it's range means it likely wants a grouping ability to even be fun to play.
Mostly grabbed this adapter because I already had a nice Crit chance, crit damage, attack speed riven to juice it up, but without that it's definitely nothing to write home about
After heavy slam with it you got 1 sec 90% heavy attack efficiency. So after heavy slam you can use normal heavy with not losing all of combo counter.
It looks like it's a bug, because an ability like this that doesn't scale with mods, when ALL of the other weapon abilities do scale it's really odd
No, it wasn't a bug, DE literally changed this Incarnon so it's a mini-Serene Storm
Furax wraith is mostly used for the amalgam mod, it increases secondary fire rate, for Knell and Mesa its amazing. So its nice that its stronger if you have to use melee for some reason but yeah that is why I love it so much. No other melee weapon makes your guns stronger that I can think of.
Worth noting that the amalgam mod can spread Blast status procs without actually needing blast damage, which is nice for CO.
Literally took it for the same reason, also its not bad, the gimmick sucks but overall its probably among the stronger melees + you have amalgam so dont regret taking it.
if you really like that setup go for it, the incarnon doesn't really help that build too much sadly
Incarnon melees in general are going to be weak, because someone at DE still think melees are overtuned and op. They should wake up to reality
yeah that un-needed melee nerf during sisters of parvos among other things
Look forward to trying incarnon weapons after a few more hot fixes or maybe a cert update to make the circuit more stable…crashes can happen on any wave and it’s not that fun to just do one mission at a time, extract, re-queue and so on
They could have made a combo that builds Gravity pulling surrounding enemies in.
And at the end of the combo it does a Thunder Clap that deals high AOE damage.
De is running out of ideas
Hey bud. Thx for the content but I had a silly question. Have not played in a couple months and lost duviri info. Do you keep the incarnon upgrade for these weapons or does it go away at the end of the week and then you need to get a new pair next week ?
I have a really good Furax riven that might make it good, I think fundamentally sparring weapons just suck
Furax are Fist, not Sparring melee
but they do sucks lol
Do you recommend Furax Wraith, or regular Furax because the incarnon buffs are higher?
That 20% HA efficiency is worded poorly. It's actually 80% efficiency. I chose the Bo (absolute beast, btw). It has the same thing, HAE Set at 20%. I tried it because it said set, not +. I'd drop 2 levels on a HA and get them back in 1 swing. No other efficiency mods. I'm guessing it's bugged (the furax) because it's a red crit monster and should be putting out ludicrous numbers in incarnon. Hopefully it's fixed by next time around.
I’ve gotten a negative impact riven ages ago for it and I gotta say, no impact is way better than the forth evolution
I picked them because I like this kind of weapons, but, the heavy is a disappointment, only +1 range when it's a 1,7 base(Innodem gets 3 without selecting anything), the passive stats...(keeping with the example, Innodem can get +65% (at least 40%) attack speed this MAYBE can get 50%), if they are obtained through steel path, they shall be good at steel path
It's not awful just underwhelming compared to the other options. Imo, it's actually one of the best "melee" weapons in the game because of its range and follow-through. Sits around Kronen Prime tier as far as kpm is concerned. Still wish it had a better gimmick/better performance overall.
I'm so upset I chose this, I'm hoping the Furis will be good, especially with that new loka mod
I've been hearing the furis is good, but me personally I need a furis prime before i grab that one
@@GazTTV mk1 furis gang
Looks like me n you picked the same , furax and furis
Unless they fixed the Baruuk combo "bug", this should still convert the combo multiplier and be the best option for a combo stick on him
Yeah that's why I picked it instantly
This kind of validates my thought that the heavy slam is actually broken and isnt doing the proper damage. If you ever use them in actual gameplay you will notice they do no damage. I always thought that was odd, especially when heavy attacks are good. Something must be calculating the damage wrong when using this kind of attack.
directly "landing" on top of an enemy with the heavy slam can be decent damage but I dont think the incarnon is really helpping it much in that sense
@@GazTTV Right, maybe the radius surrounding the slam is broken? It never does any damage but the visual implies it should be. I also feel like this would make sense design wise. Idk though, Id love to have the heavy attack slam 'explode' as the visual effect implies.
this seems about right, i have the new 2 handed nikana, and it does literly no damage on heavy slam. and its stab into the ground acts just like a heavy slam and does no damage as well
I don't know if it's bugged or just bad I'm using amalgam mod just for the incarnon lato hahahaha.... Paired with incarnon braton
so my though on this: do I need another aoe-red-crit-killer-machine that will be nerfed to shit after a couple of months? - no - does my mesa benefit by the passive 25% bulletjump and 25% sprint speed? - yep - do I equip it anyway? - yep - the decision here is pretty simple.
The gimmick could be better on frames with grouping abilities, but since it's gimmick unaffected by damage mods, that is dissapointing
every since melee nerf, and gun buffs, ive always prioritized guns over melee, same goes for incarnon picks
Im genuinely wondering if base furax is just better than wraith considering the regular furax has a 45 increased base damage bonus from incarnon and the total base damage is around 200 with the buffs so thats kinda huge
Warning for that already disapointing incarnon
The evolution 4 "Kinetic Killer" (Slide attacks gives +4x crit damage) doesn't work
Tekko prime is a fist weapon, which has similar riven disposition as furax wraith and has mainly slash damage.
yep i mentioned it near the end of the video
Well I am happy to report that Bo Prime Incarnon does exactly what i thought it would do. Meaning it smacks everything in a near 10 meter radius with Impact procs that turn into slash procs. A proper slash weapon will slash more. However, with the base range of 3, the Incarnon giving 4, Void reach gives 0.5 and Prime Reach gives 3. So I dont think there are many melee weapons that reach that far.
It's starting to look like Incarnon Melee weapons need buffs and reworks. So far i got Latron, Lato, Paris and Bo. All the guns devestate. Clear top tier weapons. Bo Prime with Incarnon is good, but it was what i expected. It didnt blow me away like the primaries and lato did.
bo have any special attacks like the fire aoe on this?
@@GazTTV Not that I noticed. Only stand out I noticed with it was the large range and the 50% heavy attack efficiency along with the sprint/bullet jump increases. But I think all Incarnon melee get the efficiency and parkour buffs. Most I did with it was 20 minutes of Kuva Survival and it kept life support up at 80% with no armor strip of buffs. Just 10 meter radius Impact creating slash procs.
Tbh 7m is enough , remember it still has a 0.5 m follow through really wish the orokin reach stat was actually a follow through buff same for any of them
Honestly, it seems quite better than what you're giving it credit for Gaz!
It's not but as meta as the others, that's for sure, but the heavy slam attack having 100% efficiency is really good alongside the Saxum set and some armour strip. Add Sow and Reap to the mix and this seems a really nice AoE synergy, maybe not for endurance runs but, looks promising.
You also got a 2.9 million no slash red crit on one of the heavy attacks with 0 prior priming at 12:10 , which seems pretty good!
Definitively gonna pick the Furax up this week, they look the best out of all the Incarnons to me, keep up the good content, but try not getting burnt out by making too many vids yeh?
"best of the incarnons this week" ok dude back to the asylum hahah
Look the best out of all, not just this week, in reference to visuals.
The void filigrees do flow much better with the weapon's shape than the others, which are too bulky / random for me.
Not talking about "looking the best" in terms of performance, but yes, back to my mental asylum I go :P
@@paulhank1444 lol ok dude i was worried about you for a second. But i do agre this one looks visually awesome
Magistar will be devastatingly good watch. Hate will be the other op incarnon option to look forward to.
yeah im still holding out hope for next week on the magistar
combo counter pause works with baaruk. works great
It was expected furax and bo were bad. Maths don't lie dude, and numbers spell Disaster!
Furax has only one use: Titania/Mesa secondary fire rate stat stick
Wait how do u stat stick for secondaries? I use titania alot so this is useful to know
Theres a Furax only Amalgam mod that boosts secondary fire rate. Simple pimple.
the incarnon form provides basically nothing to that build
@@GazTTV They can melee sometimes, bruv. It's a strict upgrade to a weapon that's the absolute best at what it does. Its Gucci.
@@JerryLeeHowell2 i'm glad you like it dude, first you started trying to say its a stat stick and when i gave you a reason why the incarnon doesn't matter for that build you're trying to say its a normal weapon now "they can melee" you don't say? LUL Either way you can do that without the incarnon
Well I’m glad I decided against getting this one lol. I picked strum and then was torn between furax or latron for my second one. Glad I went with latron though, it kinda slaps.
You went for Latron and Strun? Damn u went for the 2 best u lucky af
Would be great if instead of a heavy slam its like a mini baruuk thing. Idk~ i like it, i build for 4x heavy similarly to my fragor prime
Welp they can still be used for SR Eidolons with its fire rate mod or as a gladiator mod piece for baruuks Desert Wind
Furis and Furax enjoyer here
Try
Condition overload
Prime fury
Primed pressure point
Amalgam organ shatter
3 60/60 and your riven
I picked this one for my second unlock this week😂
oh boy!
I would go get the strun but honestly the felarx serves me just fine in the shotgun department and I like the furises gimmick
So gurus latron might be my picks
Do they show up in duviri?
bedazzled power gauntlets. it'd be cool if it made the amalgam's aoe radii bonus bigger.
Finally a furax incarnon video! Was waiting to see just how god awful this weapon was.
The MIGHTY SEER would be a better incarnon melee
I also tried the incarnon skana. Its special feature is really gimmicky. Radial blind work only on finisher kill. You must kill the enemy with it. I found out that stealth finisher is the only viable one (I must make more research on alternative).
The radial blind is in reality some sort of stun that is really short and on short range (maybe 10m?)
Enemy that are currently stunned by the radial blind cannot be stunned again by it if you kill someone during it. I find it quite useless right now ... To bad I was waiting for a melee incarnon with super mechanic
interesting, I'm probably going to avoid incarnon melee going forward (for the most part)
@@GazTTV ok seem legit. Also I recommend you to look for the kunai and other secondary like that. Kunai incarnon is a head seeking projectile. I'm curious to know what happens with punch through
You probably didn't test it with nira mod set
Dude, why? just why? The skana and the Bo are at the very least early game good choices that carry you and you might be nostalgic for them. The Kunai is fast enough to warrant a meme build just for the fun of fast throwing knifes. But the Furax? This is probably the single worst choice of all possible incarnon adapters we've seen thus far. And it's not even the adapters fault, the Furax is just that bad of a weapon.
hmm sucks that this sounds super under whelming but it really is if you put it next to every other adapter choice. but heres my real question do the incarnon stats apply as a stat stick? say i slap it on my atlas will it appy the bonus stats to his punching ? im already rocking the furax wraith on him as the mods he need for his ability line up well for the furax and the cambo count boost ... but if it resets like the glave dose and all attacks return its count to 0 that arnt the melee its self this will destroy my atlas build -.-
probably not and if it does it would be a bug. Remember stat sticks take mods not the weapons stats.
some of them do, some of them dont
Also do not recommend the Bo. Pretty much all incarnon melees are useless at this point
"for there to be WINNERS, there have to be LOSERS"
at least I got the strun
but i dont use heavy slam i randomly throw heavy attacks into combos and stuff while messing around but i dont really love them but i also dont think there bad
So they make it that the Bo can hit someone from the other side of the room.... than they do this... poor furax... 😂
Is there any proof that there is no difference between similar weapons? I mean MK1 has a different incarnon than prime or wrath.
I compared them on stream but dont have that footage in here, the stat buffs on mk1 were not great pretty much just more +sc on the final incarnon
@@GazTTV ok just wondering.
I think we picked the same weapons, I was just curious about the furax so I picked them, I have always wanted the fist and the material art weapons to be good. Can't even do sp circuit consistently right now so If I don't get them, it is what it is.
yeah not a must have at all but that strun on the other hand....
@@GazTTV oh yeah the strun, thats my baby right now. Before they nerfed shotguns; the strun wraith was so good, and was my go to weapon. It's a bit nostalgic to be using it again.
I’m still excited for the extra sprint speed on Mesa
but you need to get 6x combo and activate it to get the boost. ANd then its only like 200seconds until you need to do it again. Is this worth it?
@@satoutatsuhiro866 compared to the latron, not really. But you get the sprint speed regardless iirc
Its pretty good with a riven with estatus chance
im pretty sure at least the heavy slam is kinda bugged cause 2 heat dmg doesnt seem intended
yeah at least it looks cool
I chose this purely to use as a Statstick for the frames that use those.
but you do not need the incarnon for this
yeah sadly the incarnon form doesn't help those frames very much (praedos gives more movement too)
@@GazTTV You dont need to be incarnon to get the benefits of the evolutions? do you? I mean normal Furax has a dispo of 5. so good rivens.
So my thought process around it is
1 : +110 damage and 100% combo count. thats just a nice to have
2: combo timer pauses if holstered making it so you dont always HAVE to run naramon. and you you arent THAT reliant on density. also the combo count will help you rebuildif it falls off
3 : +24% status chance
So its just statstick with some quality of life stuff?
would have better to get the venka incarnon but i liek that its fists because i like using fists with baruuk and so i also chose thse and i dont mind them my build isnt too bad i run sp easily with them
Try them with Amalgam Furax Body Count as a statstick for Mesa
Call me dumb but how does Mesa benefit from melee statsticks?
@@Sypitz the furax amalgam mod gives a ton of fire rate for secondaries
@@Sypitz
45 percent is nothing to sneeze at.
@@CH3353N1NJ45 but you don t need furax incarnon for this. And this video was about the incanon mode not the base furax
the movement speed aspect of this does not work on mesa, it gives +bullet jump and +sprint speed. Mesa needs parkour velocity
I went for Strun and Furis not used the furis for years but I have a good riven for it and it has a cool gimmick of health regeneration on hitting an enemy.
You say melee not as good as guns but that skana one is very powerful
you say that but someone else in the comments section called it underwhelming
@Gaz TTV mine with no combo and a combo build( ok, it had a decent riven) was 2 to 3 hitting base sp grineer, so like level 100-150. With full combo it's great. My issue with it for ages was its low status made it a little inconsistent but its been awesome. I even dropped bloodrush for fury now bc the riven adds the crit and the stats are really good now. When using my main volt, I can drop fury for bloodrush and hit red crits
I choose strun and The furax because i like thant type of weapon
I just wanted to bust a suppurt weapon that buffs my sicron and it didn't even busted it much XD
yeah the buffs are pretty tame
where is the list of weapons coming next week?
Week 3: Lex, Magistar, Boltor, Bronco, Ceramic Dagger
just google" duviri patchnotes "
if you go to my twitch chat and do !schedule you can see the entire list. If not it's in the initial patch notes for duviri
Thx for your sufer
maybe this weapon can be fine with khora
I picked this too...
sad it's this bad compared to all the other incarnons. All of them get massive buffs while this gets a gimmick that doesn't work and shit bonuses
I wonder if this works as a stat stick for baruuk
the +combo count will work
rip me 🥲 just crafted these
Could go well with the envoy. Add that mod that boost primary blast range on it and the pause melee combo count. Its not the best but there is a synergy there
Amalgam furax body count doesn’t increase blast radius anymore. It increases secondary fire rate now.
yeah that mod now provides +fire rate to pistol instead of +blast radius (was changed months ago)
@@GazTTV @orangehazard94 sorry for being out of date
Tekko prime is fists weapon
Regret taking this one tbh
same, gotta wait on latron now
I think it's good watch aznvasionplays video on it he made a decent build
just use those for 45% fire rate for pistols and speed boost, like a speed praedos but with 1 nice buff to secondaries
I use it for Mesa/Titania but it ruins my fashion frame
@@stevembk Do you know you can hide weapons when not used? There is a toggle option when costumising the apperance of any weapon.
praedos gives more movement, this thing does not provided "parkour velocity" like the praedos it only provides bullet jump and sprint. Two things that do not affect mesa in her 4 augment. Also a reminder you can use the mesa stat stick without incarnon
What is this 😭😭😭😭😭
Wow the Bo prime incarnon was decent, this is just crap
Bo Prime incarnon is also meh.
"Incarnone"
Might be a bug
hopefully i wanted some red crit fire