BMW i4 eDrive40 1000 km challenge
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I've been waiting for this video since the i4 M50 1000km challenge live stream, where everybody said "just another inefficient fossil conversion". Tbh, this even exceeds my expectations. Can't wait to switch my M3LR for the i4 40 in February.
Same. A bit irritating that in the UK it’s not possible to order the tech plus pack with automated driving features on the i40 model, but regardless mine is on order delivery November
Same here, I can not wait to switch my Tesla to BMW. I'm curious about the autopilot equivalent in BMW.
@@KDR816 You can't currently order it in Germany as well, and even if you ordered it, it might be cut afterwards due to lack of chips for the Driving Assistant Professional. Hopefully will be coming back in the future, though.
@@KDR816 I have no idea, it is BMW UKs stupid idea. They claim it’s due to the chip shortage (actually they blame everything on the chip shortage at the moment) but this option, along with the ‘kick’ contactless tailgate has been deleted from the i40 model (although keyless entry has not, this does not include the tailgate option).
The auto driving feature IS still available on the M50, so chip shortage go figure.
The cars are coming with cruise distance control ‘preparation’ ie the buttons on the steering wheel but you have to pay €250 to get them ‘enabled’.
My guess is this is all a precursor to more such options (eg autopilot) and subscription features (they already announced heated seats by subscription.
I have made it clear that if I have to pay a subscription to get the use of heated seats and wheel I paid for as part of the comfort pack I will cancel the order - no response from BMW yet.
This type of ‘theft’ from customers will be the new revenue model going forward into the future I suspect
@@KDR816 Oh really? I need to investigate that because it’s an option I’d really like. Thank you for the info
for not being a dedicated BEV platform, the i4 does remarkably well, kudos BMW
really the only thing it loses out on from its fossil base is interior space - a big chunk of that empty space under the hood could be reclaimed for use as cabin space if they shuffled the design around a bit
@@KDR816 It can come in handy when hauling a lot of stuff. I helped my parents move and the rear of my Tesla MY was filled with furniture etc to the point where I didn't want to open the hatch or stuff would fall out. I put our luggage in the Frunk and when we stopped at hotels, we could open the frunk and easily get our bags. Also handy for putting charging cables etc.
Don't buy into the "dedicated" BEV platform, just stupid, even Tesla that definitely isn't based on an ICE version has an awkward space in front that could fit an internal combustion engine.
A EV plataform isnt that important for efficiency in powertrain,the biggest advantage of a dedicated EV plataform is internal space but if you already have other things like OTA updates in your ICE plataform it isnt that important.
@@johannescarlsson4559 Lol,what are you talking about MEB only doesnt have frunk because its a waste of space especially in europe,the internal space is much bigger than any ICE in the same category.
@Bjorn:
We are working on a Frunk for the BMW i4 eDrive 40. According to current design it will give about 50 liters of storage space.
@@KDR816 Why would we not? We need the people to know.
@@KDR816 you can check our website. We run an info newsletter for the project. Next week we will order the first styrofoam prototype for shape testing.
Have the i3 trunk extension, highly recommend Wokeby!!
@@WOKEBY similar price to the ix3 moulding?
@@Nick_Smith1970 I don't have a final offer yet but size an shape a pretty similar so I am certain we will have a price close to the BMW iX3 Frunk.
The update will be available on 18 July 2022. After that, it will be possible to specify a desired battery level at the destination. Additional information regarding the consumption and route planning are also added.
Can't wait to update :-)
Source?
@@victorfrombcn Local BMW Car Dealer
OTA update?
BMW might have made some missteps. But the i3 and i8 was good engineering test beds. Before they went into it's mainstream vehicles. They worked out the bugs and got the experience they needed. I'm happy to see legacy automakers making better and better EV's.
500km highway trip with just 9 minutes charging stop... not bad at all
BMW knows how to do its job regarding driving efficency. I own a 320d Efficient Dynamics (F30) from 2012 and cruising at slightly higher highway speeds (125 km/h) I get a 4.2l/100km consumpsion, more than 1300 km on a single 57 liter tank of fuel.
BMW for some reason are wizards of efficiency compared to almost everyone else's comparable products.
i had one for two days this week. driving normally mix roads and motorway i ended up with 3.7miles per kwh. i drove for 4 to 5 hours during the two days. great car
We need a good old race between Model 3 and i4
I'm ordering this Bimmer, thank you Bjorn!
Being able to keep up with the model 3 is something to hang your hat on. Granted it is much less powerful and only rwd, but this is still a great showing. I think there are lots of viable traveling options now if you live in an area with a well developed charging infrastructure.
Great review Bjorn. Good to see it's as efficient as the Model 3. The Legacy makers are coming up to speed at last. I ordered my edrive40 back in March, and I'm due to pick it up in November. I cannot wait!!! It seems the only down side to the i4 is rear passenger space, but as I already own the 435d gran coupe, I'm already used to that. Mine is the M Sport, with 19" wheels and the memory seats (an absolute must). So I will lose a tiny bit of range, but worth it for how good it will look. :)
This is very impressive but it’s not quite as efficient as the model 3, the LR has about 100hp more than this and dual motors and is about 20WH/mile more efficient. It’s comparable to the performance (on 20” wheels and about 550hp).
Still this is a very very good car and a great result.
This is still partially a ICE platform, and they are already getting some good efficiency numbers, but still the tesla is a better overall product if you don't find the interior lacking. When BMW comes out with a purely electric sedan platform I would say it can probably be 100-200kg less weight and 5%-10% more efficient. That is when they'll give tesla a run for their money
Thanks for pointing this out. So many people complain about the rear space, but they don't realise that the 4 Series was never designed to be a 5 seater car. It's a sports coupé and it has been like that also before it became electric. If you want a "family" fully electric BMW, get an iX3 or wait for the i5.
@@johnnyo8602 yeah, the 435d I have is fine for us and our 14 yr old daughter, and her friends, or even our friends, as they’re not over 6 ft tall.
@@KDR816 😂
Björn, your passion and dedication are
just amazing!
there room for a frunk in the hood area like the i3 had🤣
Love the i4. Have the M50 now since a few weeks and it‘s also very efficient even its so heavy but it‘s so much fun :-D May you can test it again with the M50.
Yeah, I wonder too how it would perform at similar temperatures.
Agree but needs to habe the 19“ tires.
Very impressive! For someone who values quality and feel, this seems like a better option than a Model 3. They are very similar in terms of the important EV aspects, but the BMW wins in terms of feeling, comfort, sound insulation etc. I will recommend this to my dad who is thinking about buying his first EV, he was thinking about Polestar 2 single motor Long range, Kia EV6, Ioniq 5 or this BMW i4.
42 is the answer indeed. Good to see you have the nerdy references in order ;)
I was waiting for this one! :-D
EDIT: Wow, that was a really smooth run. The stops where almost to short. :-D
Now a can't wait for the EQS 450+ !
Same here 🙏
Bjørn still makes the best car videos, that's for sure! The 1000-km-challenge is also one of the most useful real-world tests you can do with an EV. Bjørn, will you continue doing the 1000-km-challenge after you get the first BEV that does it at your usual speed without having to be recharged? That will be a few years from now, but I think it will happen before you retire...
And the i4 eDrive40 is a great efficient car. Too bad Tesla ditched the Model 3 Long Range RWD. Imagine what 1000 km time we would have with 250 kW charging and 82 kWh battery! Cars with two wheel drive seem to be so much more efficient than AWD.
185Wh/km vs 186Wh/km for SR+ 2021 and LR 2022 M3 in Bjorn his tests. So no its not a bad decision from Tesla, the legacy auto makers just don't seem to know how to make a dual motor EV effcient! Tesla however does (I'm not a Tesla fan though, but what I always liked is how efficient the M3 is, how Musk lets them go 230+kmh, and so on. He isn't making baby cars. ID.3 going 160km/h? feck off volkswagen... (even though I own a fossil VW I really like)
I own an i4e40 which was delivered end of march. I have not driven a Tesla so I can not compare. I have looked at it at a car show and did not like the interior. I simply wanted a car which was electric and more or less similar to what I had been driving for 5 years (430i). The i4 ticked all the boxes with a great dealership around the corner. I bought the 40 because I do not need 550 bHp, 340 is enough. I see the fun of having an extremely fast accelerating but not the daily use. The i4 ticks all the boxes for me: fast enough, good range, excellent comfort and all the nice features you need to get relaxed from A to B in a somewhat sporty looking car
I'm confident that you won't regret it! It seems to be a great car and it's even better after Bimmerbjorn's test that proves it to be as efficient as a Tesla 😄
Excellent 😍 just orderd myself a i4 e40 😊
BMW kicking some ass! A very welcome competitor. Let ´ s hope they can offer them for 50-60k €.
I actually got my e40 M Sport with a big discount for 65k before taxes ;-)
@@patrickf2386 right, but people have to pay taxes, lol.
What was the final price, including subsidies?
No, it’s without taxes (VAT) here, cause it’s a company car. So 65k was the final price. I haven’t checked about subsidies so far…
I come here just to hear Björn say "Poor mans BMW", kidding, great videos, thanks Björn!
Uncredebly well performance, way better then I expected!
I have a 2009 E61, and to be honest its one of the best cars ive had for long trips. Even when i close the doors on the e61 compared to the f30 its feels much more solid, and better.
impressive! M50 in summer and "tiny" wheels please? :)
If you skip the text you Will see a list of the cars tested. Wltp , range tested summer, range tested winter nye.naf.no/elbil/bruke-elbil/elbiltest
Agreed. Think that M50 review with 19" tyres in summer will be the benchmark that most want to know. Can we have enough range and still the speed at the same time.
@@peterhongkp he has allready done a 1000 km with 19" wheels check his channel ☺️
great test. Would be great to see the eDrive35
When going through Gothenburg I would recommend Marieholmstunneln instead of Tingstadstunnel, usually much faster.
Thank you for the tip.
Without M package and with skinnyer tires it could get in 1-st place in the list.😋
Great video Björn! I love this car. Keep it up!
You probably don't have the data anymore but it would really be interesting how many stops you did on the different cars and how much total charging time. Maybe you could add it in the future if it is not too much work.
This video was brought to you by a super cute baby. ;). Baby incident in our family was either a big poop that expanded and escaped from the diaper or the baby cried all night long. hahah. Mine are 11 and 14 now so the whining only happens in daytime and the poop isn't an issue anymore.
ok the i4 40. It's around 71k CAD with a premium package and M sport package here in Canada. A RWD Model 3 is 65-66k. I think I'd take the BMW. It's just so much more luxurious. I do wonder how the hell BMW can have such a long hood and NOT have a frunk though. That's amazing.
Thanks for all your work. Really. Do you know how many minutes prior DC station should we precondition the battery when the station is not in the BMW' navigation system? I mean in winter time of course. I will appreciate your answer.
Thanks for the great Review. I agree, that BMW could have done this class car earlier. But remember the BMW i3 with its good efficency and 46 to 49kW up to 88% SOC was very well engineered and is a Milestone. I love the Performance and in the small class the 35min charging time for Germany Autobahn distance with reserve.
Hoping you test the i4 e35 soon. Thinking that will be my next company car.
Remember I asked you about the i40 review when you did the i4 M50 and your answer was: That will not be interesting in Norway :D
Well thank god you like your Swedish (rest of the world) Audiance and did this :D
I hope mine goes into production soon. Thanks for a great video as always! 🥰
Me here again... I have still not received my i4. It's been 1year 8months since I ordered mine.
My dealer has been kind enough though to give me a loaner until my car is delivered.
Hopefully I get the car before I hit 2 year 🤣😎🤘
Thanks for all the great videos you make.
Best Autopilot 👍💖
You mean lack of autopilot?
Always enjoy 1000km challenge!! Wow… it seems so stressful though with such short stops. Feel for you!, although you see to have fun! 😝.
Points I want to make:
1-it seems that IONITY are dragging their feet, even in Norway, and not fixing chargers quickly enough and not expanding quickly enough either… not just more sites but definitely more stalls per site where power allows (or design with solar canopies, batteries, etc… Do you feel it’s the same?, it’s poor in UK.. Tesla are able to expand so much quicker.
2-definitely need to see the newest model 3 LR in summer please 👍
3-what a waste of space there!’ 😳😳😳
Good job! Hope wifey and baby are well.
I have my i4 e40 now, but it is better equipped. It has DAPP also, and when I make a plan it shows the SoC on arrival to the charger and also how much the car expects me to charge for the most optimized travel time. It also shows the approximate time it takes at that charging stop. The app allows me setting of many parameters regarding how I want to perform the trip. Sadly, I can't see any way to add preferred routes, like the TT ferry to Travemünde.
Thanks Bjorn for this video!)
The 3 series based i3 will appear in China first and the i5 mules are running around right now
Looking at the hood interior, these 2 crossbars on the left and right and the one at the bottom do not inspire great confidence. There seems to be a lack of rigidity due to the absence of the ICE engine.
It may be "too early" for 800V charging but you have to start somewhere. Ten years ago it was "too early" for EVs, but the early adopters helped bring them to where they are today. It'll be the same with 800V charging. It'll be interesting to watch what happens with GM's Ultium platform which can support 800V. GM is partnering with EVgo to build out an 800V (350kW) charging network.
Hey is saying that 800V is too early for the cars, not the chargers.
Hey stated that kempower for example, could easily switch to 800V. That's not a problem.
There's no big benefits for 800 V cars with a 83 kWh battery. It's like introducing 100 Mpix sensor in a tiny mobile phone camera thinking that it will be better.
I watched the live broadcast of the 1k, and this. I realy like you content :)
oooh that's really impressive and delightfully musk-free
This is pretty good for a partially ICE platform. I am looking forward to what they can do with a purely electric platform in a few years. I recon a 100-200kg weight cut and 5-10% efficiency inprovement will be possible. Now the Model3 is still overall a better product, but competition is surely catching up.
Seeing this makes me wish that the Korean eGMP cars were more efficient. They have the monster charging speeds that would make it the fastest road trip EV, but the efficiency isn’t good.
Those cars have good drivetrain efficiency as well. But poor aerodynamics.
Bless you Bjorn for your work. You did a lot for BEV users/buyers and the change to BEVs.
I think one charging stopp less had improved time. I 9min charging takes a lot more time from leaving highway to you are back on road
Not much actually. About 1-2 minutes.
I really like the BMW i4 and im considering it to replace my ICE, the car that im looking most forward to in terms of tech and competition is the upcoming BMW i5 next year, which should be the true first competitor to the Model S in terms of price and size.
Agree on the 800V thing, its use case will come but for now the battery tech is still not ready for 800V.
Great video! Bad news is Auto steering and parking (DAPP & pap) won't be available on 2023 e40 drive, only on the M50.
BMW
When will you get access to the edrive35? Looking forward to seeing how that does.
120kmh plus VAT. That is an extra 25% in Norway :) Love this Bee Emm Vee video:)
Don't call the i3 an ugly duckling. We love it. 😢
204kw charging is great. Even if this car is way too heavy, what difference does it make if it gets very decent efficiency at high speed. Let s hope BMW can make any money on it.
Why do you thing the car is so quiet? And how does this relate to wheight?
BMW is closing almost the gap with Tesla, but they are still slightly ahead. Now you can have really a premium car that is on equal level and that is a good thing. More choice for the customer.
Yup! The i3 is hideous! I was thinking a 3rd party could create frunk too.
Another amazing video.
What about the eqs 450+? Will you bring it?
YES! M50 summer test. Please. Thanks
Manual seat adjustment? Chip shortage or margin problem? Maybe both. With that said, seems like a great car.
Great video and awesome result. Is there any plans for e-Berlingo tests?
I do like the i4 but feels WAY too much like an ICE to me. AND; it's an unrealistic price markup from a Model 3 (LR or Performance) to the 40 or m50... NOT worth it.
Ok so much in the front could host probably another 50kw battery... Why not use that and have a very long range car? Or maybe even 20kw to add those extra 150-200km range on top would be amaizing
Please please please do the BMW iX50 summer range test. People are getting amazing numbers in North America.
Could you maybe do a comparison range test between BMW I4 Edrive40 and the I4 Edrive35? I believe that is very intereseting to see if the additional pennies is worth it!
Impressive car, ive been lusting after it for a while now but bit out of my pricerange. Good review aswell Bjorn! Finally we see the human becoming the weakest link in this challange;)
The competition is coming :) Except, no decent charging network, no manufacturing volume, and they have to figure out how to make money with their EVs . Lets hope they can solve this soon.
Autodrive review, please! Kinda sad about the phantom frunk. Great point about premature 800V hype.
All vehicles need pair of lungs that one water tank and HHO generator, current engine product is not already mature, Water tank and HHO replacing the gasoline and diesel tank as lungs this how to perfecting the current ICE vehicles digestion. And KOH solution and NaoH solution is vehicles drink.
42 is the answer!
Great car 🤩👍🏻 Could you please do the BMW i4 M50 in summer again?
converted tesla killer 🤟
Wokeby already making huge frunk for ix3 so I guess they'll make frunk for i4
Please do the M50 in the summer. Bought one (will drive in Nov) and I'am very curious how it will do.
Sadly BMW came out with this car 2 years later then I bot a Tesla :-) and now there is no was back, as everything costs more money and as we love our Model 3.
You should do another one for the 2022 model 3 (60kwh) temp and wind are not relevant compare to the top position
Why is the passport on the dashboard? What is it blocking us from seeing?
Great video as always Bjorn - however you missed a very important point on your 800 volt conversation, aside from 800 volts allowing quick charging (Kia EV6) the most important reason for a 800 volt system is it creates 50% less heat and losses of a 400 volt system. For summer driving and charging this is vital since it allows the the battery to sustain higher amperage charging for longer periods of time because of the simple fact less heat is generated. 800 volts also provides advantages during hard acceleration because the pack remains cooler and the BMS does not restrict or lower output to maintain safe temperatures. Since there is less heat and losses with 800 volts, it provides additional battery capacity and range as well. Best Regards - Mike
Everybody is complaining about electronic cars on fossil platform. If I look on the results what is the problem if the carmaker can just make a good car with all Typs of engines?
Less space
Perhaps I have a other point of view but if it’s enough place for my needs…. Who cares? 😂 don’t get me wrong I would love to see there a frunk but for my opinion the complaining about this is overrated.
@@KDR816 😂😂😂 sorry, you are right.
Meanwhile I drove both the M50 and the e40 on winding roads through the Bavarian Wood. Actual I'm driving the 2022 Model 3 LR, compared to Tesla you can feel the higher weight. This also leads to 20% higher consumption. But on thf Autobahn @ 150km/h, there is with the e40 almost no difference. For sporty driving and software the Tesla is the better choice compared to both BMWs. But for Autobahn the BMW e40 would be ghe choice.
weight does not play a large role when moving at a constant speed (150 kmh Autobahn), but will take it´s toll on efficiency when breaking and accelerating.
@@RobertPuklin that is exactly what I'm saying.
awesome i am moving up from a leaf to a mach e
Do a summer 1000km challenge with the M50 Results should be interesting
Mr Nyland please help out you subscribers and tell us which OBD and app your using on the I4.
As always Thanks Mike
Nice. If only it weren't so ridiculously expensive.
Why does the one Bjorn has here have the ‘M’ logo on the grille? Only the M50 should have that. The eDrive40 models with the M Sport package don’t have it. Look on the configurator or even on the image of the car it shows inside on the screen. It should just say ‘i’ for BMWi
Looks like a mistake / misbuild
Should have been tested without M pack in my opinion because of aerodynamics, should make an interesting difference!!!
I can't choose what equipment to get on the press cars.
From whom does BMW buy battery cells? Panasonic, LG, CATL?
Wow, that's one big hood - it's E-type long almost - the frunk must be like a small bathtub.
EDIT: oh, that's not the case @20:25
Beemerbjørn incoming 😀
Loading of a 400 V-system needs about 50% more time for 80% than loading a 800 V-system. The best comparison would be to test two cars with nearly the same power, same capacity and at the same day. The temperature makes big differences and maybe the wind, too. It could be interesting to see the separate times for driving and loading in the table and the rest capacity at the goal location. A question could be, if 400V technology is more efficient than 800V technology, but looking at EQE AMG 43 and E-tron GT in the table it doesn't seem so. Maybe the motor of the i4 is very efficient.
It’s good stuff this one has turn signals enabled!
Do you think the edrive35 will be even more efficient?
is there is a Björn Meme in the web ?
When are you testing the EQE350?
Lets do m50!
Its not a bummer, its a Bimmer! xD
@Bjørn Nyland Would it be possible for you to check if the car came with plexiglas cover for the radar? Mine has none, yet I have seen many i4s on the web with the cover.
Mine did.
@@victorfrombcn Got it confirmed. You need the Driving Assistant Professional pack to get the cover
@@icyhybrid3174 Yes, I got DAP.
Really nice - just very expensive!
Very impressive results for eDrive40! Can you please do the 1000km challenge again with the M3LR because something doesnt look right in your spreadsheet?
Google translate from German. So sorry for that… 😅
Hello. great video. But I wonder if all these time reductions because of handshakes or loading jams are really fair. Aren't handshake problems also design problems on the car? Do you take advantage of other manufacturers who don't have handshake problems or just calculate it out? is that fair? Or also loading jam. do you simply take away the advantage of Tesla's own charging network by simply calculating out charging congestion, for example? Isn't that why the Teslas have less charging congestion because they can use their own SUC network? Should you really ignore this completely by calculating the loading congestion?
Perhaps you could add an additional column to the table without reducing time. so to speak, once the technically maximum possible with deductions and once the actual real world time without deductions. Ater maybe traffic jam or something.
just an idea.
greet Delf