@@KDR816 you can check our website. We run an info newsletter for the project. Next week we will order the first styrofoam prototype for shape testing.
The update will be available on 18 July 2022. After that, it will be possible to specify a desired battery level at the destination. Additional information regarding the consumption and route planning are also added.
I've been waiting for this video since the i4 M50 1000km challenge live stream, where everybody said "just another inefficient fossil conversion". Tbh, this even exceeds my expectations. Can't wait to switch my M3LR for the i4 40 in February.
Same. A bit irritating that in the UK it’s not possible to order the tech plus pack with automated driving features on the i40 model, but regardless mine is on order delivery November
@@KDR816 You can't currently order it in Germany as well, and even if you ordered it, it might be cut afterwards due to lack of chips for the Driving Assistant Professional. Hopefully will be coming back in the future, though.
@@KDR816 I have no idea, it is BMW UKs stupid idea. They claim it’s due to the chip shortage (actually they blame everything on the chip shortage at the moment) but this option, along with the ‘kick’ contactless tailgate has been deleted from the i40 model (although keyless entry has not, this does not include the tailgate option). The auto driving feature IS still available on the M50, so chip shortage go figure. The cars are coming with cruise distance control ‘preparation’ ie the buttons on the steering wheel but you have to pay €250 to get them ‘enabled’. My guess is this is all a precursor to more such options (eg autopilot) and subscription features (they already announced heated seats by subscription. I have made it clear that if I have to pay a subscription to get the use of heated seats and wheel I paid for as part of the comfort pack I will cancel the order - no response from BMW yet. This type of ‘theft’ from customers will be the new revenue model going forward into the future I suspect
really the only thing it loses out on from its fossil base is interior space - a big chunk of that empty space under the hood could be reclaimed for use as cabin space if they shuffled the design around a bit
@@KDR816 It can come in handy when hauling a lot of stuff. I helped my parents move and the rear of my Tesla MY was filled with furniture etc to the point where I didn't want to open the hatch or stuff would fall out. I put our luggage in the Frunk and when we stopped at hotels, we could open the frunk and easily get our bags. Also handy for putting charging cables etc.
Don't buy into the "dedicated" BEV platform, just stupid, even Tesla that definitely isn't based on an ICE version has an awkward space in front that could fit an internal combustion engine.
A EV plataform isnt that important for efficiency in powertrain,the biggest advantage of a dedicated EV plataform is internal space but if you already have other things like OTA updates in your ICE plataform it isnt that important.
@@johannescarlsson4559 Lol,what are you talking about MEB only doesnt have frunk because its a waste of space especially in europe,the internal space is much bigger than any ICE in the same category.
BMW might have made some missteps. But the i3 and i8 was good engineering test beds. Before they went into it's mainstream vehicles. They worked out the bugs and got the experience they needed. I'm happy to see legacy automakers making better and better EV's.
i had one for two days this week. driving normally mix roads and motorway i ended up with 3.7miles per kwh. i drove for 4 to 5 hours during the two days. great car
BMW knows how to do its job regarding driving efficency. I own a 320d Efficient Dynamics (F30) from 2012 and cruising at slightly higher highway speeds (125 km/h) I get a 4.2l/100km consumpsion, more than 1300 km on a single 57 liter tank of fuel.
Being able to keep up with the model 3 is something to hang your hat on. Granted it is much less powerful and only rwd, but this is still a great showing. I think there are lots of viable traveling options now if you live in an area with a well developed charging infrastructure.
Love the i4. Have the M50 now since a few weeks and it‘s also very efficient even its so heavy but it‘s so much fun :-D May you can test it again with the M50.
Great review Bjorn. Good to see it's as efficient as the Model 3. The Legacy makers are coming up to speed at last. I ordered my edrive40 back in March, and I'm due to pick it up in November. I cannot wait!!! It seems the only down side to the i4 is rear passenger space, but as I already own the 435d gran coupe, I'm already used to that. Mine is the M Sport, with 19" wheels and the memory seats (an absolute must). So I will lose a tiny bit of range, but worth it for how good it will look. :)
This is very impressive but it’s not quite as efficient as the model 3, the LR has about 100hp more than this and dual motors and is about 20WH/mile more efficient. It’s comparable to the performance (on 20” wheels and about 550hp). Still this is a very very good car and a great result.
This is still partially a ICE platform, and they are already getting some good efficiency numbers, but still the tesla is a better overall product if you don't find the interior lacking. When BMW comes out with a purely electric sedan platform I would say it can probably be 100-200kg less weight and 5%-10% more efficient. That is when they'll give tesla a run for their money
Thanks for pointing this out. So many people complain about the rear space, but they don't realise that the 4 Series was never designed to be a 5 seater car. It's a sports coupé and it has been like that also before it became electric. If you want a "family" fully electric BMW, get an iX3 or wait for the i5.
I own an i4e40 which was delivered end of march. I have not driven a Tesla so I can not compare. I have looked at it at a car show and did not like the interior. I simply wanted a car which was electric and more or less similar to what I had been driving for 5 years (430i). The i4 ticked all the boxes with a great dealership around the corner. I bought the 40 because I do not need 550 bHp, 340 is enough. I see the fun of having an extremely fast accelerating but not the daily use. The i4 ticks all the boxes for me: fast enough, good range, excellent comfort and all the nice features you need to get relaxed from A to B in a somewhat sporty looking car
I'm confident that you won't regret it! It seems to be a great car and it's even better after Bimmerbjorn's test that proves it to be as efficient as a Tesla 😄
Very impressive! For someone who values quality and feel, this seems like a better option than a Model 3. They are very similar in terms of the important EV aspects, but the BMW wins in terms of feeling, comfort, sound insulation etc. I will recommend this to my dad who is thinking about buying his first EV, he was thinking about Polestar 2 single motor Long range, Kia EV6, Ioniq 5 or this BMW i4.
Bjørn still makes the best car videos, that's for sure! The 1000-km-challenge is also one of the most useful real-world tests you can do with an EV. Bjørn, will you continue doing the 1000-km-challenge after you get the first BEV that does it at your usual speed without having to be recharged? That will be a few years from now, but I think it will happen before you retire... And the i4 eDrive40 is a great efficient car. Too bad Tesla ditched the Model 3 Long Range RWD. Imagine what 1000 km time we would have with 250 kW charging and 82 kWh battery! Cars with two wheel drive seem to be so much more efficient than AWD.
185Wh/km vs 186Wh/km for SR+ 2021 and LR 2022 M3 in Bjorn his tests. So no its not a bad decision from Tesla, the legacy auto makers just don't seem to know how to make a dual motor EV effcient! Tesla however does (I'm not a Tesla fan though, but what I always liked is how efficient the M3 is, how Musk lets them go 230+kmh, and so on. He isn't making baby cars. ID.3 going 160km/h? feck off volkswagen... (even though I own a fossil VW I really like)
I have a 2009 E61, and to be honest its one of the best cars ive had for long trips. Even when i close the doors on the e61 compared to the f30 its feels much more solid, and better.
Agreed. Think that M50 review with 19" tyres in summer will be the benchmark that most want to know. Can we have enough range and still the speed at the same time.
Thanks for all your work. Really. Do you know how many minutes prior DC station should we precondition the battery when the station is not in the BMW' navigation system? I mean in winter time of course. I will appreciate your answer.
Remember I asked you about the i40 review when you did the i4 M50 and your answer was: That will not be interesting in Norway :D Well thank god you like your Swedish (rest of the world) Audiance and did this :D I hope mine goes into production soon. Thanks for a great video as always! 🥰
Me here again... I have still not received my i4. It's been 1year 8months since I ordered mine. My dealer has been kind enough though to give me a loaner until my car is delivered. Hopefully I get the car before I hit 2 year 🤣😎🤘 Thanks for all the great videos you make.
You probably don't have the data anymore but it would really be interesting how many stops you did on the different cars and how much total charging time. Maybe you could add it in the future if it is not too much work.
This video was brought to you by a super cute baby. ;). Baby incident in our family was either a big poop that expanded and escaped from the diaper or the baby cried all night long. hahah. Mine are 11 and 14 now so the whining only happens in daytime and the poop isn't an issue anymore. ok the i4 40. It's around 71k CAD with a premium package and M sport package here in Canada. A RWD Model 3 is 65-66k. I think I'd take the BMW. It's just so much more luxurious. I do wonder how the hell BMW can have such a long hood and NOT have a frunk though. That's amazing.
I have my i4 e40 now, but it is better equipped. It has DAPP also, and when I make a plan it shows the SoC on arrival to the charger and also how much the car expects me to charge for the most optimized travel time. It also shows the approximate time it takes at that charging stop. The app allows me setting of many parameters regarding how I want to perform the trip. Sadly, I can't see any way to add preferred routes, like the TT ferry to Travemünde.
Thanks for the great Review. I agree, that BMW could have done this class car earlier. But remember the BMW i3 with its good efficency and 46 to 49kW up to 88% SOC was very well engineered and is a Milestone. I love the Performance and in the small class the 35min charging time for Germany Autobahn distance with reserve.
It may be "too early" for 800V charging but you have to start somewhere. Ten years ago it was "too early" for EVs, but the early adopters helped bring them to where they are today. It'll be the same with 800V charging. It'll be interesting to watch what happens with GM's Ultium platform which can support 800V. GM is partnering with EVgo to build out an 800V (350kW) charging network.
Hey is saying that 800V is too early for the cars, not the chargers. Hey stated that kempower for example, could easily switch to 800V. That's not a problem.
There's no big benefits for 800 V cars with a 83 kWh battery. It's like introducing 100 Mpix sensor in a tiny mobile phone camera thinking that it will be better.
Looking at the hood interior, these 2 crossbars on the left and right and the one at the bottom do not inspire great confidence. There seems to be a lack of rigidity due to the absence of the ICE engine.
I really like the BMW i4 and im considering it to replace my ICE, the car that im looking most forward to in terms of tech and competition is the upcoming BMW i5 next year, which should be the true first competitor to the Model S in terms of price and size. Agree on the 800V thing, its use case will come but for now the battery tech is still not ready for 800V.
Always enjoy 1000km challenge!! Wow… it seems so stressful though with such short stops. Feel for you!, although you see to have fun! 😝. Points I want to make: 1-it seems that IONITY are dragging their feet, even in Norway, and not fixing chargers quickly enough and not expanding quickly enough either… not just more sites but definitely more stalls per site where power allows (or design with solar canopies, batteries, etc… Do you feel it’s the same?, it’s poor in UK.. Tesla are able to expand so much quicker. 2-definitely need to see the newest model 3 LR in summer please 👍 3-what a waste of space there!’ 😳😳😳 Good job! Hope wifey and baby are well.
Seeing this makes me wish that the Korean eGMP cars were more efficient. They have the monster charging speeds that would make it the fastest road trip EV, but the efficiency isn’t good.
BMW is closing almost the gap with Tesla, but they are still slightly ahead. Now you can have really a premium car that is on equal level and that is a good thing. More choice for the customer.
204kw charging is great. Even if this car is way too heavy, what difference does it make if it gets very decent efficiency at high speed. Let s hope BMW can make any money on it.
Ok so much in the front could host probably another 50kw battery... Why not use that and have a very long range car? Or maybe even 20kw to add those extra 150-200km range on top would be amaizing
Sadly BMW came out with this car 2 years later then I bot a Tesla :-) and now there is no was back, as everything costs more money and as we love our Model 3.
Well... That isn't the entirely truth. To charge with 400V @ 500 Amp = 200Kw, You need a larger battery (Ah) compared to 800V. If you use same cell you can reduce your battery to half size or decrease your chaging timet to half the time. So it is a question abou design and request form all potential buyer. Anyway if you charge slow your battery will live longer.
@@A2an Nope. It doesn't matter what voltage the charger has. Each cell is charged at it's own voltage, which is solely determined by the cell chemistry. For Li-Ion that is just below 4 V. The voltage of the pack is determined by how many batteries are connected in series, but it has zero effect on the charging speed (for batteries of the same size of course).
Could you maybe do a comparison range test between BMW I4 Edrive40 and the I4 Edrive35? I believe that is very intereseting to see if the additional pennies is worth it!
@Bjørn Nyland Would it be possible for you to check if the car came with plexiglas cover for the radar? Mine has none, yet I have seen many i4s on the web with the cover.
Impressive car, ive been lusting after it for a while now but bit out of my pricerange. Good review aswell Bjorn! Finally we see the human becoming the weakest link in this challange;)
The competition is coming :) Except, no decent charging network, no manufacturing volume, and they have to figure out how to make money with their EVs . Lets hope they can solve this soon.
Meanwhile I drove both the M50 and the e40 on winding roads through the Bavarian Wood. Actual I'm driving the 2022 Model 3 LR, compared to Tesla you can feel the higher weight. This also leads to 20% higher consumption. But on thf Autobahn @ 150km/h, there is with the e40 almost no difference. For sporty driving and software the Tesla is the better choice compared to both BMWs. But for Autobahn the BMW e40 would be ghe choice.
weight does not play a large role when moving at a constant speed (150 kmh Autobahn), but will take it´s toll on efficiency when breaking and accelerating.
All vehicles need pair of lungs that one water tank and HHO generator, current engine product is not already mature, Water tank and HHO replacing the gasoline and diesel tank as lungs this how to perfecting the current ICE vehicles digestion. And KOH solution and NaoH solution is vehicles drink.
Everybody is complaining about electronic cars on fossil platform. If I look on the results what is the problem if the carmaker can just make a good car with all Typs of engines?
Perhaps I have a other point of view but if it’s enough place for my needs…. Who cares? 😂 don’t get me wrong I would love to see there a frunk but for my opinion the complaining about this is overrated.
Biggest factor aside from a lousy winter day for the M50 test is the tires. The M50 was on 20" tires. In the US configurator, the M50 goes from 270 to 227 mile range when going from the 19" to 20" wheels. However, an eDrive40 and and M50 on the same 19" wheels are only 12 miles apart - 282 and 270. Next factor is probably the additional motor and bracing. A guy in another forum just finished a 1200km trip in mountains of Italy with 4 adults and a tow box (Europeans have an hitch option) on the end. His average reported consumption was 3.4 m/kwh, actually beating the EPA estimated range. Highway speeds and 80º+ temperatures.
This is pretty good for a partially ICE platform. I am looking forward to what they can do with a purely electric platform in a few years. I recon a 100-200kg weight cut and 5-10% efficiency inprovement will be possible. Now the Model3 is still overall a better product, but competition is surely catching up.
You say 800V system is hype but no other cars charge faster. I don't care about 400 or 800V whatsoever. I do care about how long I have to sit and wait for the car to be charged reasonably full
So please tell me why Taycan can hit 265 kW but offer an eco charge that preserves the battery health by limiting power to 200 kW (peak) and a way less agressive charge curve? And Mercedes peaks at 200 kW but can enable eco charging that limits it to only 100 kW.
@@bjornnyland Bjorn look at a temperature during charging. Taycan cells have a silicon-graphite anode. BMW has graphite anode like pretty much every EV. Battery cells with silicon-graphite anodes can take higher charging and keep the temperature under control. If you charged Renault Zoe cells with Taycan charging speed they would overheat or maybe even explode. Not all cells are created equal. There are even cells you can charge at 6C without liquid cooling because the temperature of the cells rises only 4°C during charging. Silicon anode cells (not to be confused with silicon-graphite mix) can charge at 6C (Gac Aion V plus, CATL CTP 3.0 and so on). They are coming to few cars next year or year after that (Mercedes, GAC, Porsche, Xpeng, Farasis (battery manufacturer, supplies cells for the EQE), CATL, and so on). Those cars also might have a lower charging limit mode (350kW instead of 480kW for example). So to summarize no Taycan, E-Tron GT cells will not degrade faster than BMW i4 cells because they use different technology that can keep the cells at the same temperature while charging faster. Not only that but Taycan, E-Tron, E-Tron GT are using NCM 622 chemistry which has 3500 cycle life until 80% compared to NCM 811/ NCA which have around 1500 cycle life. So Taycan in 200kW mode will degrade way slower than BMW i4 because the cells will be at lower temperature than the i4 due to silicon-graphite anode and also 3500 cycle life (NCM 622) instead of 1500 cycle life (NCM 811). E-Tron GT doesn't have the 200kW mode because it doesn't need it. It's just there in the Taycan for convenience if you are eating or whatever. And bonus is a little bit lower degradation. Mercedes EQS has 100kW mode because it uses graphite anode instead of silicon-graphite mode. CATL Qilin battery is going into production next year. Some car makers already confirmed they will use it in their cars. 0-80% in 10 minutes. Sadly in China they are ready for it with 480kW charger installation while in Europe we only have 350kW chargers. There are some 400kW chargers in Spain but that's it. Well and those who decided to release 400V cars this year have to upgrade to 800V if they want to use that technology. Should have started with 800V because switching from 400V to 800V motors, inverters, converters will be expensive but possible. There are some cars in China that were upgraded from 400V to 800V (GAC Aion V Plus for example). Of course it's a lot more expensive than making the car 800V from the beginning.
Well, I guess the point is that, in theory, the 800V system should be able to take up to 400kW, or at least the maximum that the charger can supply (350kW for Ionity). But in reality they only take a small portion of that potential (only up to 265kW, like Bjørn stated), probably because you are pushing the batteries to their limit. And for batteries it is always deadly to run them at their limits (this applies for charging as well as for discharging and for extremely high SOC as well as for extremely low SOC).
@@bjornnyland I don‘t need to tell you, because it‘s not the point of my argument. If you are telling me that they sacrifice speed for battery health and there is concrete evidence that this results in a higher battery degradation then this would be another story. But is there concrete evidence? And my argument still stays valid: cars with 800V system still have the fastest charging rates so far
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@Bjorn:
We are working on a Frunk for the BMW i4 eDrive 40. According to current design it will give about 50 liters of storage space.
@@KDR816 Why would we not? We need the people to know.
@@KDR816 you can check our website. We run an info newsletter for the project. Next week we will order the first styrofoam prototype for shape testing.
Have the i3 trunk extension, highly recommend Wokeby!!
@@WOKEBY similar price to the ix3 moulding?
@@Smith_Tech_70 I don't have a final offer yet but size an shape a pretty similar so I am certain we will have a price close to the BMW iX3 Frunk.
The update will be available on 18 July 2022. After that, it will be possible to specify a desired battery level at the destination. Additional information regarding the consumption and route planning are also added.
Can't wait to update :-)
Source?
@@victorfrombcn Local BMW Car Dealer
OTA update?
I've been waiting for this video since the i4 M50 1000km challenge live stream, where everybody said "just another inefficient fossil conversion". Tbh, this even exceeds my expectations. Can't wait to switch my M3LR for the i4 40 in February.
Same. A bit irritating that in the UK it’s not possible to order the tech plus pack with automated driving features on the i40 model, but regardless mine is on order delivery November
Same here, I can not wait to switch my Tesla to BMW. I'm curious about the autopilot equivalent in BMW.
@@KDR816 You can't currently order it in Germany as well, and even if you ordered it, it might be cut afterwards due to lack of chips for the Driving Assistant Professional. Hopefully will be coming back in the future, though.
@@KDR816 I have no idea, it is BMW UKs stupid idea. They claim it’s due to the chip shortage (actually they blame everything on the chip shortage at the moment) but this option, along with the ‘kick’ contactless tailgate has been deleted from the i40 model (although keyless entry has not, this does not include the tailgate option).
The auto driving feature IS still available on the M50, so chip shortage go figure.
The cars are coming with cruise distance control ‘preparation’ ie the buttons on the steering wheel but you have to pay €250 to get them ‘enabled’.
My guess is this is all a precursor to more such options (eg autopilot) and subscription features (they already announced heated seats by subscription.
I have made it clear that if I have to pay a subscription to get the use of heated seats and wheel I paid for as part of the comfort pack I will cancel the order - no response from BMW yet.
This type of ‘theft’ from customers will be the new revenue model going forward into the future I suspect
@@KDR816 Oh really? I need to investigate that because it’s an option I’d really like. Thank you for the info
for not being a dedicated BEV platform, the i4 does remarkably well, kudos BMW
really the only thing it loses out on from its fossil base is interior space - a big chunk of that empty space under the hood could be reclaimed for use as cabin space if they shuffled the design around a bit
@@KDR816 It can come in handy when hauling a lot of stuff. I helped my parents move and the rear of my Tesla MY was filled with furniture etc to the point where I didn't want to open the hatch or stuff would fall out. I put our luggage in the Frunk and when we stopped at hotels, we could open the frunk and easily get our bags. Also handy for putting charging cables etc.
Don't buy into the "dedicated" BEV platform, just stupid, even Tesla that definitely isn't based on an ICE version has an awkward space in front that could fit an internal combustion engine.
A EV plataform isnt that important for efficiency in powertrain,the biggest advantage of a dedicated EV plataform is internal space but if you already have other things like OTA updates in your ICE plataform it isnt that important.
@@johannescarlsson4559 Lol,what are you talking about MEB only doesnt have frunk because its a waste of space especially in europe,the internal space is much bigger than any ICE in the same category.
BMW might have made some missteps. But the i3 and i8 was good engineering test beds. Before they went into it's mainstream vehicles. They worked out the bugs and got the experience they needed. I'm happy to see legacy automakers making better and better EV's.
i had one for two days this week. driving normally mix roads and motorway i ended up with 3.7miles per kwh. i drove for 4 to 5 hours during the two days. great car
500km highway trip with just 9 minutes charging stop... not bad at all
BMW knows how to do its job regarding driving efficency. I own a 320d Efficient Dynamics (F30) from 2012 and cruising at slightly higher highway speeds (125 km/h) I get a 4.2l/100km consumpsion, more than 1300 km on a single 57 liter tank of fuel.
BMW for some reason are wizards of efficiency compared to almost everyone else's comparable products.
I'm ordering this Bimmer, thank you Bjorn!
Björn, your passion and dedication are
just amazing!
there room for a frunk in the hood area like the i3 had🤣
42 is the answer indeed. Good to see you have the nerdy references in order ;)
We need a good old race between Model 3 and i4
Being able to keep up with the model 3 is something to hang your hat on. Granted it is much less powerful and only rwd, but this is still a great showing. I think there are lots of viable traveling options now if you live in an area with a well developed charging infrastructure.
Love the i4. Have the M50 now since a few weeks and it‘s also very efficient even its so heavy but it‘s so much fun :-D May you can test it again with the M50.
Yeah, I wonder too how it would perform at similar temperatures.
Agree but needs to habe the 19“ tires.
I come here just to hear Björn say "Poor mans BMW", kidding, great videos, thanks Björn!
Excellent 😍 just orderd myself a i4 e40 😊
Great review Bjorn. Good to see it's as efficient as the Model 3. The Legacy makers are coming up to speed at last. I ordered my edrive40 back in March, and I'm due to pick it up in November. I cannot wait!!! It seems the only down side to the i4 is rear passenger space, but as I already own the 435d gran coupe, I'm already used to that. Mine is the M Sport, with 19" wheels and the memory seats (an absolute must). So I will lose a tiny bit of range, but worth it for how good it will look. :)
This is very impressive but it’s not quite as efficient as the model 3, the LR has about 100hp more than this and dual motors and is about 20WH/mile more efficient. It’s comparable to the performance (on 20” wheels and about 550hp).
Still this is a very very good car and a great result.
This is still partially a ICE platform, and they are already getting some good efficiency numbers, but still the tesla is a better overall product if you don't find the interior lacking. When BMW comes out with a purely electric sedan platform I would say it can probably be 100-200kg less weight and 5%-10% more efficient. That is when they'll give tesla a run for their money
Thanks for pointing this out. So many people complain about the rear space, but they don't realise that the 4 Series was never designed to be a 5 seater car. It's a sports coupé and it has been like that also before it became electric. If you want a "family" fully electric BMW, get an iX3 or wait for the i5.
@@johnnyo8602 yeah, the 435d I have is fine for us and our 14 yr old daughter, and her friends, or even our friends, as they’re not over 6 ft tall.
@@KDR816 😂
I own an i4e40 which was delivered end of march. I have not driven a Tesla so I can not compare. I have looked at it at a car show and did not like the interior. I simply wanted a car which was electric and more or less similar to what I had been driving for 5 years (430i). The i4 ticked all the boxes with a great dealership around the corner. I bought the 40 because I do not need 550 bHp, 340 is enough. I see the fun of having an extremely fast accelerating but not the daily use. The i4 ticks all the boxes for me: fast enough, good range, excellent comfort and all the nice features you need to get relaxed from A to B in a somewhat sporty looking car
I'm confident that you won't regret it! It seems to be a great car and it's even better after Bimmerbjorn's test that proves it to be as efficient as a Tesla 😄
Very impressive! For someone who values quality and feel, this seems like a better option than a Model 3. They are very similar in terms of the important EV aspects, but the BMW wins in terms of feeling, comfort, sound insulation etc. I will recommend this to my dad who is thinking about buying his first EV, he was thinking about Polestar 2 single motor Long range, Kia EV6, Ioniq 5 or this BMW i4.
Bjørn still makes the best car videos, that's for sure! The 1000-km-challenge is also one of the most useful real-world tests you can do with an EV. Bjørn, will you continue doing the 1000-km-challenge after you get the first BEV that does it at your usual speed without having to be recharged? That will be a few years from now, but I think it will happen before you retire...
And the i4 eDrive40 is a great efficient car. Too bad Tesla ditched the Model 3 Long Range RWD. Imagine what 1000 km time we would have with 250 kW charging and 82 kWh battery! Cars with two wheel drive seem to be so much more efficient than AWD.
185Wh/km vs 186Wh/km for SR+ 2021 and LR 2022 M3 in Bjorn his tests. So no its not a bad decision from Tesla, the legacy auto makers just don't seem to know how to make a dual motor EV effcient! Tesla however does (I'm not a Tesla fan though, but what I always liked is how efficient the M3 is, how Musk lets them go 230+kmh, and so on. He isn't making baby cars. ID.3 going 160km/h? feck off volkswagen... (even though I own a fossil VW I really like)
Uncredebly well performance, way better then I expected!
Great video Björn! I love this car. Keep it up!
I have a 2009 E61, and to be honest its one of the best cars ive had for long trips. Even when i close the doors on the e61 compared to the f30 its feels much more solid, and better.
great test. Would be great to see the eDrive35
I was waiting for this one! :-D
EDIT: Wow, that was a really smooth run. The stops where almost to short. :-D
Now a can't wait for the EQS 450+ !
Same here 🙏
When going through Gothenburg I would recommend Marieholmstunneln instead of Tingstadstunnel, usually much faster.
Thank you for the tip.
BMW kicking some ass! A very welcome competitor. Let ´ s hope they can offer them for 50-60k €.
I actually got my e40 M Sport with a big discount for 65k before taxes ;-)
@@patrickf2386 right, but people have to pay taxes, lol.
What was the final price, including subsidies?
No, it’s without taxes (VAT) here, cause it’s a company car. So 65k was the final price. I haven’t checked about subsidies so far…
impressive! M50 in summer and "tiny" wheels please? :)
If you skip the text you Will see a list of the cars tested. Wltp , range tested summer, range tested winter nye.naf.no/elbil/bruke-elbil/elbiltest
Agreed. Think that M50 review with 19" tyres in summer will be the benchmark that most want to know. Can we have enough range and still the speed at the same time.
@@peterhongkp he has allready done a 1000 km with 19" wheels check his channel ☺️
Thanks for all your work. Really. Do you know how many minutes prior DC station should we precondition the battery when the station is not in the BMW' navigation system? I mean in winter time of course. I will appreciate your answer.
Without M package and with skinnyer tires it could get in 1-st place in the list.😋
Don't call the i3 an ugly duckling. We love it. 😢
Thanks Bjorn for this video!)
Remember I asked you about the i40 review when you did the i4 M50 and your answer was: That will not be interesting in Norway :D
Well thank god you like your Swedish (rest of the world) Audiance and did this :D
I hope mine goes into production soon. Thanks for a great video as always! 🥰
Me here again... I have still not received my i4. It's been 1year 8months since I ordered mine.
My dealer has been kind enough though to give me a loaner until my car is delivered.
Hopefully I get the car before I hit 2 year 🤣😎🤘
Thanks for all the great videos you make.
Best Autopilot 👍💖
You mean lack of autopilot?
You probably don't have the data anymore but it would really be interesting how many stops you did on the different cars and how much total charging time. Maybe you could add it in the future if it is not too much work.
This video was brought to you by a super cute baby. ;). Baby incident in our family was either a big poop that expanded and escaped from the diaper or the baby cried all night long. hahah. Mine are 11 and 14 now so the whining only happens in daytime and the poop isn't an issue anymore.
ok the i4 40. It's around 71k CAD with a premium package and M sport package here in Canada. A RWD Model 3 is 65-66k. I think I'd take the BMW. It's just so much more luxurious. I do wonder how the hell BMW can have such a long hood and NOT have a frunk though. That's amazing.
I watched the live broadcast of the 1k, and this. I realy like you content :)
I have my i4 e40 now, but it is better equipped. It has DAPP also, and when I make a plan it shows the SoC on arrival to the charger and also how much the car expects me to charge for the most optimized travel time. It also shows the approximate time it takes at that charging stop. The app allows me setting of many parameters regarding how I want to perform the trip. Sadly, I can't see any way to add preferred routes, like the TT ferry to Travemünde.
oooh that's really impressive and delightfully musk-free
Hoping you test the i4 e35 soon. Thinking that will be my next company car.
Hm. I would be so interested to see model xDrive40 in your hands 😊🙏🏻
Thanks for the great Review. I agree, that BMW could have done this class car earlier. But remember the BMW i3 with its good efficency and 46 to 49kW up to 88% SOC was very well engineered and is a Milestone. I love the Performance and in the small class the 35min charging time for Germany Autobahn distance with reserve.
When will you get access to the edrive35? Looking forward to seeing how that does.
Bless you Bjorn for your work. You did a lot for BEV users/buyers and the change to BEVs.
The 3 series based i3 will appear in China first and the i5 mules are running around right now
120kmh plus VAT. That is an extra 25% in Norway :) Love this Bee Emm Vee video:)
It may be "too early" for 800V charging but you have to start somewhere. Ten years ago it was "too early" for EVs, but the early adopters helped bring them to where they are today. It'll be the same with 800V charging. It'll be interesting to watch what happens with GM's Ultium platform which can support 800V. GM is partnering with EVgo to build out an 800V (350kW) charging network.
Hey is saying that 800V is too early for the cars, not the chargers.
Hey stated that kempower for example, could easily switch to 800V. That's not a problem.
There's no big benefits for 800 V cars with a 83 kWh battery. It's like introducing 100 Mpix sensor in a tiny mobile phone camera thinking that it will be better.
I think one charging stopp less had improved time. I 9min charging takes a lot more time from leaving highway to you are back on road
Not much actually. About 1-2 minutes.
Looking at the hood interior, these 2 crossbars on the left and right and the one at the bottom do not inspire great confidence. There seems to be a lack of rigidity due to the absence of the ICE engine.
Great video! Bad news is Auto steering and parking (DAPP & pap) won't be available on 2023 e40 drive, only on the M50.
I really like the BMW i4 and im considering it to replace my ICE, the car that im looking most forward to in terms of tech and competition is the upcoming BMW i5 next year, which should be the true first competitor to the Model S in terms of price and size.
Agree on the 800V thing, its use case will come but for now the battery tech is still not ready for 800V.
Always enjoy 1000km challenge!! Wow… it seems so stressful though with such short stops. Feel for you!, although you see to have fun! 😝.
Points I want to make:
1-it seems that IONITY are dragging their feet, even in Norway, and not fixing chargers quickly enough and not expanding quickly enough either… not just more sites but definitely more stalls per site where power allows (or design with solar canopies, batteries, etc… Do you feel it’s the same?, it’s poor in UK.. Tesla are able to expand so much quicker.
2-definitely need to see the newest model 3 LR in summer please 👍
3-what a waste of space there!’ 😳😳😳
Good job! Hope wifey and baby are well.
Seeing this makes me wish that the Korean eGMP cars were more efficient. They have the monster charging speeds that would make it the fastest road trip EV, but the efficiency isn’t good.
Those cars have good drivetrain efficiency as well. But poor aerodynamics.
BMW is closing almost the gap with Tesla, but they are still slightly ahead. Now you can have really a premium car that is on equal level and that is a good thing. More choice for the customer.
204kw charging is great. Even if this car is way too heavy, what difference does it make if it gets very decent efficiency at high speed. Let s hope BMW can make any money on it.
Why do you thing the car is so quiet? And how does this relate to wheight?
42 is the answer!
Yup! The i3 is hideous! I was thinking a 3rd party could create frunk too.
Another amazing video.
What about the eqs 450+? Will you bring it?
Great video and awesome result. Is there any plans for e-Berlingo tests?
YES! M50 summer test. Please. Thanks
awesome i am moving up from a leaf to a mach e
converted tesla killer 🤟
Manual seat adjustment? Chip shortage or margin problem? Maybe both. With that said, seems like a great car.
Ok so much in the front could host probably another 50kw battery... Why not use that and have a very long range car? Or maybe even 20kw to add those extra 150-200km range on top would be amaizing
Please do the M50 in the summer. Bought one (will drive in Nov) and I'am very curious how it will do.
Sadly BMW came out with this car 2 years later then I bot a Tesla :-) and now there is no was back, as everything costs more money and as we love our Model 3.
Is 400v or 800v healthier for the battery at for example 250kw. Or does it not make any difference?
Doesn't make any difference.
Well... That isn't the entirely truth.
To charge with 400V @ 500 Amp = 200Kw, You need a larger battery (Ah) compared to 800V.
If you use same cell you can reduce your battery to half size or decrease your chaging timet to half the time.
So it is a question abou design and request form all potential buyer.
Anyway if you charge slow your battery will live longer.
@@A2an Nope. It doesn't matter what voltage the charger has. Each cell is charged at it's own voltage, which is solely determined by the cell chemistry. For Li-Ion that is just below 4 V. The voltage of the pack is determined by how many batteries are connected in series, but it has zero effect on the charging speed (for batteries of the same size of course).
Could you maybe do a comparison range test between BMW I4 Edrive40 and the I4 Edrive35? I believe that is very intereseting to see if the additional pennies is worth it!
Do you think the edrive35 will be even more efficient?
Please please please do the BMW iX50 summer range test. People are getting amazing numbers in North America.
@Bjørn Nyland Would it be possible for you to check if the car came with plexiglas cover for the radar? Mine has none, yet I have seen many i4s on the web with the cover.
Mine did.
@@victorfrombcn Got it confirmed. You need the Driving Assistant Professional pack to get the cover
@@icyhybrid3174 Yes, I got DAP.
From whom does BMW buy battery cells? Panasonic, LG, CATL?
Impressive car, ive been lusting after it for a while now but bit out of my pricerange. Good review aswell Bjorn! Finally we see the human becoming the weakest link in this challange;)
When are you testing the EQE350?
The competition is coming :) Except, no decent charging network, no manufacturing volume, and they have to figure out how to make money with their EVs . Lets hope they can solve this soon.
You should do another one for the 2022 model 3 (60kwh) temp and wind are not relevant compare to the top position
Autodrive review, please! Kinda sad about the phantom frunk. Great point about premature 800V hype.
Meanwhile I drove both the M50 and the e40 on winding roads through the Bavarian Wood. Actual I'm driving the 2022 Model 3 LR, compared to Tesla you can feel the higher weight. This also leads to 20% higher consumption. But on thf Autobahn @ 150km/h, there is with the e40 almost no difference. For sporty driving and software the Tesla is the better choice compared to both BMWs. But for Autobahn the BMW e40 would be ghe choice.
weight does not play a large role when moving at a constant speed (150 kmh Autobahn), but will take it´s toll on efficiency when breaking and accelerating.
@@RobertPuklin that is exactly what I'm saying.
All vehicles need pair of lungs that one water tank and HHO generator, current engine product is not already mature, Water tank and HHO replacing the gasoline and diesel tank as lungs this how to perfecting the current ICE vehicles digestion. And KOH solution and NaoH solution is vehicles drink.
Wokeby already making huge frunk for ix3 so I guess they'll make frunk for i4
Mr Nyland please help out you subscribers and tell us which OBD and app your using on the I4.
As always Thanks Mike
I am just curious what was the recharges cost for the trip?
Thank you.
Should have been tested without M pack in my opinion because of aerodynamics, should make an interesting difference!!!
I can't choose what equipment to get on the press cars.
17:07 what car is that charging to the right side of the iX3?
Seems to be BYD Tang.
Nice. If only it weren't so ridiculously expensive.
How are they doing these huge charging rate with the 400V?
Everybody is complaining about electronic cars on fossil platform. If I look on the results what is the problem if the carmaker can just make a good car with all Typs of engines?
Less space
Perhaps I have a other point of view but if it’s enough place for my needs…. Who cares? 😂 don’t get me wrong I would love to see there a frunk but for my opinion the complaining about this is overrated.
@@KDR816 😂😂😂 sorry, you are right.
Why is the passport on the dashboard? What is it blocking us from seeing?
Its not a bummer, its a Bimmer! xD
Great car 🤩👍🏻 Could you please do the BMW i4 M50 in summer again?
scan my tesla is for tesla but what apps is for bmw i4? thanks
I wonder how long it will take for car manufacturers to realise they can utilise the frunk for a full size spare wheel?
How is it so much faster than the i4 M50? Because of temperature and weight? Or is there something else that matters more?
I think: 1) it rained in the M50 test 2) it was colder 3) it had much wider tirethreads.
Biggest factor aside from a lousy winter day for the M50 test is the tires. The M50 was on 20" tires. In the US configurator, the M50 goes from 270 to 227 mile range when going from the 19" to 20" wheels. However, an eDrive40 and and M50 on the same 19" wheels are only 12 miles apart - 282 and 270. Next factor is probably the additional motor and bracing. A guy in another forum just finished a 1200km trip in mountains of Italy with 4 adults and a tow box (Europeans have an hitch option) on the end. His average reported consumption was 3.4 m/kwh, actually beating the EPA estimated range. Highway speeds and 80º+ temperatures.
@@KurtSeiffert it was the 19" though
That's why we want to see the M50 in summer 😉
@@KDR816 I guess the M50 is also AWD with larger wheels?
This is pretty good for a partially ICE platform. I am looking forward to what they can do with a purely electric platform in a few years. I recon a 100-200kg weight cut and 5-10% efficiency inprovement will be possible. Now the Model3 is still overall a better product, but competition is surely catching up.
Beemerbjørn incoming 😀
BMW
Wow, that's one big hood - it's E-type long almost - the frunk must be like a small bathtub.
EDIT: oh, that's not the case @20:25
is there is a Björn Meme in the web ?
You say 800V system is hype but no other cars charge faster. I don't care about 400 or 800V whatsoever. I do care about how long I have to sit and wait for the car to be charged reasonably full
So please tell me why Taycan can hit 265 kW but offer an eco charge that preserves the battery health by limiting power to 200 kW (peak) and a way less agressive charge curve? And Mercedes peaks at 200 kW but can enable eco charging that limits it to only 100 kW.
@@bjornnyland Bjorn look at a temperature during charging. Taycan cells have a silicon-graphite anode. BMW has graphite anode like pretty much every EV. Battery cells with silicon-graphite anodes can take higher charging and keep the temperature under control. If you charged Renault Zoe cells with Taycan charging speed they would overheat or maybe even explode. Not all cells are created equal. There are even cells you can charge at 6C without liquid cooling because the temperature of the cells rises only 4°C during charging. Silicon anode cells (not to be confused with silicon-graphite mix) can charge at 6C (Gac Aion V plus, CATL CTP 3.0 and so on). They are coming to few cars next year or year after that (Mercedes, GAC, Porsche, Xpeng, Farasis (battery manufacturer, supplies cells for the EQE), CATL, and so on). Those cars also might have a lower charging limit mode (350kW instead of 480kW for example).
So to summarize no Taycan, E-Tron GT cells will not degrade faster than BMW i4 cells because they use different technology that can keep the cells at the same temperature while charging faster. Not only that but Taycan, E-Tron, E-Tron GT are using NCM 622 chemistry which has 3500 cycle life until 80% compared to NCM 811/ NCA which have around 1500 cycle life. So Taycan in 200kW mode will degrade way slower than BMW i4 because the cells will be at lower temperature than the i4 due to silicon-graphite anode and also 3500 cycle life (NCM 622) instead of 1500 cycle life (NCM 811). E-Tron GT doesn't have the 200kW mode because it doesn't need it. It's just there in the Taycan for convenience if you are eating or whatever. And bonus is a little bit lower degradation. Mercedes EQS has 100kW mode because it uses graphite anode instead of silicon-graphite mode.
CATL Qilin battery is going into production next year. Some car makers already confirmed they will use it in their cars. 0-80% in 10 minutes. Sadly in China they are ready for it with 480kW charger installation while in Europe we only have 350kW chargers. There are some 400kW chargers in Spain but that's it. Well and those who decided to release 400V cars this year have to upgrade to 800V if they want to use that technology. Should have started with 800V because switching from 400V to 800V motors, inverters, converters will be expensive but possible. There are some cars in China that were upgraded from 400V to 800V (GAC Aion V Plus for example). Of course it's a lot more expensive than making the car 800V from the beginning.
Well, I guess the point is that, in theory, the 800V system should be able to take up to 400kW, or at least the maximum that the charger can supply (350kW for Ionity). But in reality they only take a small portion of that potential (only up to 265kW, like Bjørn stated), probably because you are pushing the batteries to their limit. And for batteries it is always deadly to run them at their limits (this applies for charging as well as for discharging and for extremely high SOC as well as for extremely low SOC).
@@bjornnyland I don‘t need to tell you, because it‘s not the point of my argument. If you are telling me that they sacrifice speed for battery health and there is concrete evidence that this results in a higher battery degradation then this would be another story. But is there concrete evidence?
And my argument still stays valid: cars with 800V system still have the fastest charging rates so far
Is this car as low to sit in as tesla model 3 ?