I feel like your titling of "laughably bad" indicates the same problem we had: we're running out of short, clear phrases that illustrate the badness of a product that can go in our title without repeating ourselves... one day maybe the GPU market will return to normalcy.
Pretty much yeah . But no matter what they call it , given the perf it should cost no more than 250$ t to be worth spending money on it in the middle of 2023 .
remember that if the rtx 4080 12gb wasn't unlaunched the 4060 ti would have been the 4070 8gb...... its a shame it didn't happen, i would have love to see nvidia go bankrupt
So many comments like yours. I can't begin to tell you how much it hurts seeing it every single time. EVGA made the right move but this is a pyrhic victory at best. This decision though will most likely finish off the company too.
No wonder EVGA dropped the GPU business. It appears as if they were not going to participate in this scam for users, and for that they deserve a lot of credit.
@@adriandabrowski4990 going by the way Nvidia try to take it's partners out of business at every opportunity I guess that they will be happy to operate the scam alone
Granted I wouldn’t but any current gen Nvidia card period, but if I were to buy one, EVGA being out of the picture alone makes me hesitant. They had the absolute best customer service. Every time I’ve needed to contact them, I received a response from a human, within a reasonable time, and they actually addressed my message. I’ve had so many experiences with other brands that send automated responses that have fuck all to do with the issue.
wish they went to AMD instead cause amd cards are more value atm although they missed a competitive launch price. which I think stunted their overall market impact. the price is lower now but shouldve been at that price point to begin with
I've said it over and over: in 2015, we got an R9 390 with 8GB for $330. The fact we're still getting this much VRAM on more expensive cards 8 years later is a complete joke. The Nvidia simps can make all the excuses about faster memory modules and more cache all they want, but the simple fact is that games require much more VRAM than they did 8 years ago, and games are now developed for the 9th gen consoles with 16GB unified memory (say ~13GB dedicated VRAM). Stop making excuses and demand better.
"But Nvidia is working on super duper compression algorithms so we will only need 4GB VRAM in a few years - $600 8GB GPUs will be fine!" -Nvidia simps 😂
The r9 390 was a complete joke in terms of thermals and performance. By that extension, the r9 fury was an even bigger joke with it's tiny amount of video memory, especially at $650. And then of course crypto miners latched onto that thing like a facehugger and left gamers with the corpse of a ruined card.
The radeon 7 is also a good example - 16 GB of HBM with a 4 kb bus, and 300mm^2 of the latest greatest process node, for $700. That's with a better node than the one nvidia used in the 3000 series. Same die size as the 4070ti and twice the memory bandwidth, but $100 less launch MSRP. It even had a full 16x PCIe connection!
@@ZeroHourProductions407 Agreed on the Fury X, and I would include the RX 6500 XT in the "not enough VRAM" catagory. But those cards sold like crap, unlike the RTX 3070 + 3070 Ti. And yes, the R9 390 had its own issues, but it gave you plenty of longevity to use high/ultra quality textures, which means games can still look great even if you have to lower other settings to low or medium.
Even in 2016 RX480 8gb was an awesome card for only $240. In my 22 years in pc gaming I've never bought card for more than $300, often cheaper like 650ti boost for $149, but looks like 4070 is a minimum now.
You know, I have a tablet for browsing, media consumption, and writing. I could just as well remove my pc and get a console. A sub-par gfx card is too close for comfort and might just as well increase console sales. For sure, it's best to skip the entire 40 series unless you can afford a 4090.
While it's annoying and disappointing to see Nvidia fail to learn another obvious lesson, it's absolutely great to see HUB working hard at consumer advocacy and genuine, honest hardware reporting.
Indeed. This is a terrible product, not only "terrible price". There is no way around it - some people will claim "duh it's a 3070 with a 100 USD discount" but that's not true with the anemic memory bus, and even if it was, it's still a terrible place to be in considering that 3060Ti and 3070 are so close that they can be to even call them distinct products from the same generation! In other words, "3070-like performance for 100 USD discount" is not an argument when a 3060Ti exists! This turd cannot be saved by a 16 GB buffer, and not even if it came at the same 400 US Dollars.
@@noahw5887 Look at the die comparising 3050 to 4060. Everything indicates that it is precisely a 4050 product marketed as 4060, and they originally wanted to market it as 4070
Respect to HU, GN and anybody who got free samples and still had balls to tell the truth. Not everybody will risk being neutral and risk loosing good relationship with nvidia. Too much money to lose.
Viewers are their main revenue source. Even if Nvidia and AMD stopped giving them free samples, they have their own TH-cam money to buy products to review.
Protip: Follow 2 podcasts if you are interested in topics like this. TECHonomics and Broken Silicon. Tom , Paul, and Chris got this shit on lockdown. Tim and Steve have been guests on both podcasts.
And just think, it's only $400 in the USA and for the founder's edition card. It's going to be much more expensive in any other country and for any of the partner models. It's a no-go until it's on sale, if it ever goes on sale, and then only maybe.
One of the basics in business school is that your competition aren't always the only thing you have to worry about. Outsiders can straight up obsolete your product and it looks like this is where the gaming PC is going.
We’re kinda exxagerrating now, card is fine for 1080p and even 1440p high RT off. The problem is $400 for this kinda performance, with a super limited bandwidth and 8gb of vram is criminal. This should really be no more than $300 at most
Given the 3060ti was basically a 2080 super, it’s really disappointing that the 4060ti is only a 3070 (or not even that sometimes). This might be the worst next gen card released ever. At 1440p it’s basically only an overclocked 3060ti.
And frankly the 3060 TI was already overpriced for what it is, miners had already driven up prices arounds its release. 8 gigs of memory is bad even then for the price.
Whoa! Never seen Steve lay into Nvidia like that before. This is like returning to the 90s when actual technology critics and reviewers existed. Very impressed.
Right? This pretty brutal. Good to see Nvidia getting called out for such an obvious money grab. They need to learn that we aren’t under pandemic pricing anymore but they do seem intent on keeping that going
You can enjoy 4k gaming but you pay the price with buying the RTX 4070/80/90. If they seem unreasonable for you then wait for the 5000 series and hope the performance gap between the 4060 Ti and 5060 Ti is large enough to fix your bottleneck.
@@MrZulgen Yeah, you can enjoy "4K gaming" if you are willing to pay stupid amount of money just for a video card. Thanks, but I do actually have a brain and a little bit respect for myself to not allow myself to get ripped off.
@@19alive and whats funny nvidia is marketing frame generation while failing ot mention frame generation costs VRAM as well as RT too , so the two features they alare selling you probably wont be able to turn on unless you lower textures to mud quality in games a year from now , we already see it with re4+rt or last of us , amazing stuff really , wonder how many people are going to get scammed
For the future, I think it'd be good to mark something like DNF (did not finish) is done in racing when a card doesn't have enough VRAM to render the benchmark correctly and thus the FPS doesn't really matter. Like outline the bar with warning markers and have a key at the bottom or put an icon by the card, and for the average results have a number for the amount of DNF.
Thank you for the video ! ( i'm having some problems with black playback screen in adobe premiere pro and blue crash screens with [ Video_memory_management_internal ] . . . what do you recommend for 8K video edit with Adobe premiere pro i have : AMD Ryzen 9 5950X + ASUS ROG Strix B550-E GAMING ( Tried to fix it for one week nog and no result. . . i did clean video driver install , roll back the drivers , roll back the adobe premiere version nothing works. . . need to deliver videos really quick , thank you for the advice , mark
@bruh Yeah I know I own a 3070 (3060ti wasnt available at the time) and I use the 60ti as stand in on benchmark charts if the 70 isn't there as they are essentially the same card.
@@Valueshooter Well as they already moved the goal posts once by making the 3080ti a 3090ti essentially just print a 9 instead of an 8 and jack up the price I would say this card is more of a 4040ti as it performs the same as a 3060ti which was in fact a 3050ti due to the stack shift last gen. This card should actually be sub $100-$150
Nvidia tries to show which hardware specs are affecting GPU performance. They made a RTX 3070 for showing VRAM issues. Then, releasing RTX 4060 Ti for 8GB and 128 bit bus with pcie x8. For understanding bus better. Probably, 5060 Ti will have an 10 GB and 160 bit bus with pcie 5.0 x4 to understand pcie express bandwith better. May Intel save us from AMD and Nvidia.
Expecting people to buy a $400 GPU where you have to compromise settings at 1080P DAY ONE (!) is utterly preposterous. As GN pointed out, they marketed the $300 GTX 1060 for 1080P gaming in 2016...
I paid $400 for my RX 5700XT at the beginning of all of this covid bs TWO YEARS ago while it was still in stock. It's sad to see this "4060 Ti" is the only type of crap $400 gets you now. What makes it worse is it's $460 if you want the fancy MSI model in the video.
Ah yes! I love to upgrade my 3060ti with a 4060ti and actually get worse performance in the latest games. Now that's game changing upgrade for the same price
Never thought I’d ever hear myself advocate for them but we desperately need Intel GPU to succeed. The gouging and arrogance we have to put up with NVIDIA is so frustrating
It's a good thing Nvidia makes GPUs instead of cars. They would breezily point out that seatbelts "are not needed in most circumstances" and then charge you 25% more for cars that have them
@@drunkhusband6257 as your name implies, you must be drunk. Price/performance is what matters, not just price. On that front, it's pretty bad. Just get a 6700xt for roughly the same performance, $50 cheaper, and 4 more gb of ram.
350 for sure. I remember paying 250 for a 6gb 1060 when it was new and that was when 6gb was relevant. With inflation and adequate corporate greed, thats 350 today bucks. they could make the 8gb version 300, thats rather 1060 3gb like, and treat the 4060 non ti like the 1050ti it really is
Just a reminder, the GTX 1060 which released in 2019 has a 6GB VRAM, which means for all these years, the xx60 series Nvidia cards (non Ti) has only progressed 2GB in VRAM department
Disappointed that you have not included the Intel Arc A770 16gb card, surely a possible alternative comparison given the cheaper price. The A750 could also have been included. It is not the first time you have overlooked Intel cards, notably when comparing DLSS vs FSR but without a mention of XESS.
$400 struggling at 1080p because of VRAM. That's just a joke. But have to say, Nvidia's claim that it's fine for 1080 is right, 1080p ultra-low that is.
Yeah, it's insane, right?! I did a quick search on Google, so bear with me. A wiki article explains that 1080p gaming started in 2005 and became the standard in 2008. You and I understand that games and hardware evolve, but how is it possible to not run everything on high on 100 fps nearly 20 years later!? If I were a GPU manufacturor, I'd try to get 1440p the standard 5 years ago, and slowly make 4k for enthusiasts. Unless you have a 4080+, 4k is giving console FPS. 20 years and 1080p is still limited. Nvidia will say "but the majority still runs 1080p" - Yes, because your hardware disappoints beyond that.
I dont mind turning down settings to get closer to the fps I want to play at 90fps+ but thats only if its limited by gpu turning down quality because the amount of vram bottlenecks the card at 1080p is a garbage product and when Nvidia is pushing RT and RT uses more VRAM for the bvh structure, the 4060Ti is a "waste of sand"- GN Steve aka Tech Jesus
Its a powerhouse, highly recommend. Itll pull ray-tracing even, not super FPS but playable. Not that I personally care about RT, hence I bought a Radeon
I love your brutal honesty. I will always trust your reviews over anybody else. You see so many people caught trying to say it's a good product only to go back on it and realize that was a big mistake and no one's falling for that crap. Thank you very much for informing buyers!
I feel like the RTX 4060Ti (16GB) is the one that should be priced at USD $300. And the one people should buy, for 1440p Ultra gaming and 2160p Lite gaming. This current RTX 4060Ti (8GB) is basically a 1080p Ultra gaming or 1440p Lite gaming dGPU. Nvidia and their pricing would be right, if the price of other 4K Hardware had not become cheaper and mainstream. Basically SSD prices, general PC prices, and 4K Monitors. Go back 10 Years ago, and these products were priced at a premium, not so today. Not to mention the current / new-age Game Engines and Titles that specifically target 4K as the base configuration.
Thank you for making my 6700XT for $285 worth the buy even more. As once a solely a Nvidia User jumping over to the other side has been far easier. Drivers have no issue. No login to G force now. Can still stream games via LAN in my house and play where ever
I switched from a 2070 to a 6950xt and I don’t know if I’ll ever go back if NVIDIA keeps this up. Not to mention I adore the adrenaline software for suuuuuper easy over clocking.
@@nicane-9966 I was thinking the same thing but for that price I mean I can't complain. I only play 1080P 144hz so tbh I just need that. I could of waited for 7700xt but with AMD not really doing anything special with pricing I doubt it would be as favourable as 280$
@@nicane-9966 Bro I was a 1050TI I aint waiting any longer 🤣. Its enough for 1080P at ultra so I am good But you always going to be waiting thats the thing so rather pull the trigger and wait and see and in my case it worked out well
Given that in rasterization of a 3060Ti is about on par with a 1080Ti, which has 11GB of VRAM, even a 6 year old card is a better deal than this newly launched product.
Bought RX 6800 2 years ago. The past 2-3 years in tech-world has been utterly insane. Time has certainly changed. Monopoly rules. I remember in the 90s we had a street that was nicknamed "Silicon Alley" because of all the computer/hardware stores. Stores next to eachother as far as you could see. Massive PC boom. Insane competition, great prices. Today only 2-3 left. 😭
Also several GPU makers each with their own quirks existed back then. That’s why it’s nice to see Intel join in and actually be somewhat competitive at the moment and have more future proof hardware.
4000 series is "uplabeled" to keep the price increase. This gen is the sacrificial lamb for the next gen 5000 vs 4000 benchmarks to create the new xx60, xx70, xx80 spec norms at the higher price.
Or we are the sacrificial lamb for Nvidias great AI and Raytracing experiment, although at least with AI they have found bigger customers to spend on future dev which may become a trickle down to gamers, not so sure about Ray Tracing though. Reminds me of the Camera market, trying to defend their profits against mobile phones has meant high R&D costs to chase the videography market with ever ridiculous spec/power creep (image stabilised 8K etc) but if you are just interested in a decent stills camera you are having to pay for the development of something you are not interested in using.
About a year ago i was wondering whether to buy an rx6800 at msrp or wait until 40 series cards to come... Long story short, thanks again for helping me justify my rx6800 purchase. Great video.
I do not think this 4060 8g card would be a bad card if they would have named it correctly which I believe should have been named 4050 at about about $250 to $350 range. Which would have been a large increase from the 3050 and would have been viewed as a win for NVIDIA.
The 3050 had 24% of the max shader / texture processing units Ampere chip. This 4060 TI has 24% of the top Lovelace chip. This is a xx50 class card, not a xx60 TI. I would like to see this card compared with it’s technical predecessor, the 3050, as well as it’s pricing predecessor, the 3060 TI which had 45% of the max Ampere chip. Edit: To clarify, I don’t think a full video just comparing the 3050 and 4060 TI is needed. I’m just saying in the future for the initial review, including that kind of comparison truly exposes this kind of cash grab…. Because that’s what this is.
That's not really a great comparison this time around, because the 4090 is sort of an outlier with its monstrous compute performance. For example the 4080 is around 80% as fast with less than 60% of the compute performance vs the 4090. Still though, the gen on gen performance uplift is worse than bad, it's a complete and utter waste of TSMC fab capacity.
@@GuyFromJupiter “it’s a complete and utter waste of TSMC fab capacity” See that’s why they need to force the technical comparisons, if this 4060TI was branded and priced as a 4050, it would be great value. That’s what this card actually compares to if you’re looking at gen on gen uplift from a technical perspective. Also the high end cards don’t typically have a huge spread after the 80 series. The 3080 was only 10% behind the 3090.
@@z0mb1e564yeah I’ve said the 4060ti should be a 4060 and priced at least $100 less but I can understand those that say it should be more like a 4050 in the $200-250 range. If a 4060ti can barely beat a 3060ti, the 4060 being between a 3060 and 3060ti sounds pretty bad
Nvidia are no longer about quality. They suck and the PC master race is a joke of an idea nowadays. Sadly when the monopoly holder is choosing to drop quality so badly then it's just a bad day for PC gaming. If Nvidia want to ruin their image and brand that is their choice but it's whether PC gamers are smart enough to jump ship or not. People not even getting good 1080p on PC nowadays, without paying stupid money.
yeah no that's not how you do a launch review. you compare it with 1. the card it's replacing.. e.g. 3060ti 2. you compare it with current similarly priced cards.. e.g. the 6700XT and RX6800 which they did. anything less than that is a waste of their time and consumers time.
Nvidia: ´If you guys want cheaper GPUs, well, we will have to cripple them so they can become affordable. God forbid releasing a new generation of GPUs that would offer more or the same performance for less.´ (I´m looking at you, too, AMD. )
@@HosakaBlood Looking at this comment as well as your videos having all older Nvidia GPUs (going back to GTX 470), you have the perfect mindset Nvidia is looking for, therefor continues to skyrocket their prices. Congratulations!
What a lot of people don’t get here is that the 80 series and 70 series cards have traditionally been the same GPU, just a cut down version in the 70 series. With Nvidias 4000 series, they decided that the 4080 is its own GPU (AD103 die), and the 4070 Ti (AD104 die) is a separate one. The 104 dies usually went to the 60 models while the 106 dies (which is in the 4060 Ti) usually went to the entry level GPUs (like the 3050). So after the RTX 4080, all the cards below it were moved down a performance tier (because they had a lower tier chip) but kept the same name and pricing so Nvidia can maximize margins. This is all evident in Steves data. The fact that Nvidia decided to make a 16GB version last minute (as evidenced by the graphics on the video cards boxes), and charged a ridiculous $500 for it, just goes to show how they’re trying to extract as much money as possible from their customers. Hopefully AMD is smart enough to capitalize on this, release comparable models at much lower prices. I know I’m not buying Nvidia anytime soon for the scummy ways.
I could be misunderstanding, but doesn't that mean that Ada is performing worse than nVidia expected given the segmentation? If not, it does seem like blatant over-selling, I cannot imagine hardware AV1 taking so much effort that it hamstrung raster perf
@rngQ Is the other way around, their Ada Lovelace architecture is great, as evident with the 4090. Hell, they could have extracted much more performance from their AD101 but decided not to since they knew AMD could not compete with them in performance with their 7900 XTX. Because of that they decided to move the segmentation down, so a 80 class of today would behave as s 70 class from a generation or two ago and so on and so forth. This is basically a 4050 ti, a typically $150-$200 GPU being sold for twice as much, which is pretty much in line with the rest of the 4000 series. Nvidia does this because they are pretty confident no other company can challenge them and so far they are right, at least on the newest gen cards. The RDNA2 is their most direct competition right now, but those cards are a couple of years old at this point and don't have the bells and whistles of the newest gen (DLSS3, AV1). Tbh if you have a Pascal era card (GTX 1060-80) or a Polaris era card (RX 560-90) then maybe you should look for a RDNA2 card. If you can, you should better wait and see the RDNA3 options from AMD or wait till 2024 for Intel and their Battlemage line of cards. Maybe the 5000 series will not be as bad as this gen, but I can't be sure, Nvidia is so full of themselves that they might as well sell the same GPUs for their 5000 but with DLSS 4 and other stupid gimmicks that doesn't make sense unless you have a 90 class card three generations later...
Before this generation came out I was planning on getting a 4070, but when I saw it was not 16GB I was immediately turned off. Now that everything has been released and reviewed it’s really disappointing how bad the whole range is. Definitely not worth the extra money Nvidia commands over AMD in my region. Seems like Nvidia is going to be in trouble if their next generation continues in their current direction. Especially if AMD can make improvements in their support of productivity tasks.
@@anuzahyder7185 How the hell is it worse? It's not far behind the 4060 ti in performance for $130 less. It's also significantly faster than the 6600 it replaces. The 4060 ti is literally the same performance as the 3060 ti for the same price, that is worse by a country mile.
@@anuzahyder7185 Just checked and I only found one 3060 ti for $332, which was the cheapest. Most are still in the $350+ range. I'm sure the 7600 will drop to $250 before long as well. So no, not really. The 4060 ti is still far worse, hot garbage in fact.
Im stuck with a 8 year+ old card and horrific UK prices. Was set on a 6700 xt, but despite how bad it is, the 4060s much lower energy cost is tempting. But then again UK prices will have the thing at £500+ and delete any savings 😅
The fact this GPU is not comprehensively outperforming the 3070 is all I needed to know. It's crazy how this Nvidia generation the undisputed king of price to performance is the 4090 which in years past the flagship offered diminishing returns on the high end.
At the same time the 4090 is a fire hazzard, the lenghts nvidia goes to not give you good value. Planned obsolescence at it best, they become crazy enough to want to burn people houses!
thats what they want you to think, to just kick the bucket and go with a 4090 which is their more profitable one , at least rtx 30 series gave us an leap, no one that has it will buy these mid and low end cards (predicting the 4050 and 4060 will be trash) and in 2 years hopefully the 50 series give us an good leap (like the 4090 did) or amd and intel take this opportunity to seize some market instead of going along nvidia
Truthfully the 12gb 6700xt doesn’t look bad next to the 4060ti either. But as someone above stated, you can get the 6800xt just over 400 used. The non xt for about 387.99, but for a few dollars more for an xt model, get the xt card.
"We're going to strongarm the industry into dealing with our inferior vram configurations" is one of the worst takes I've ever heard, holy shit. Nvidia truly are one of the most arrogant companies around.
The rumour mill suggests AMD's competing card will be even worse, and also 8GB. Guess we'll all be skipping this gen. Neither company covering themselves in glory.
Steve, I just wanted to say thanks for including the 6700xt and 6800 in your review. That other Steve neglected to put in the 6800 in his benchmarks. Shame.
I came here to see the review but ended up being impressed by my RX 6600 basically matching an RTX 2070! 😂 AMD driver updates really did a good job, damn. I'll only upgrade when I HAVE to
I upgraded around january 2023, to a 6750xt, for 480$, but sadly the market in my region is shit, also would have liked a 6800 (xt) but it wasn‘t in stock, or hugely overpriced, and only got the 6750xt instead of the 6700xt, because of a better custom design, didn‘t want a cheap dual fan one… But not the worst purchase, I guess 😅, at least it has 12GB Vram…
RTX 4060TI = RTX 3067 Super Ti, a Frankenstein 8GB 128bit GPU that wins, ties or loses against the RTX 3070 and also wins, ties or loses against the RTX 3060Ti in some games or depending on the chosen resolution.
@@dianaalyssa8726 The 4070Ti also has perfomance problems. I watched a video on Hogwarts Legacy comparing that card vs the 3080Ti from previous gen at 4K with DLSS, the 4070Ti got destroyed by the 3080Ti, both are 12GB cards, but the 3080Ti has a 384bit memory bus and the 4070Ti has a 192 bit bus. I still don't understand why the 3080Ti was hated.
@@Rokabur I just upgraded from a GTX 1060 (6gb) to an RX 6700 XT (12gb) for about £360, which was about £100 cheaper than the RTX 3060 ti in my daughters system. It's a great card and easily a match for the 3060 ti (and the 4060 ti if the benchmarks in this vid are right)
Its amazing how dramatic the cost per frame graph shifts once you factor in current pricing for cards like the 6700 XT, the 4060ti really should be a $250 card with its 8GB version and $300 with a 12-16GB spec. Fingers crossed pricing returns to normal at some point but I doubt it, NVIDIA and AMD seem intent to keep them as high as possibly which is a game AMD can't win as they just give up market share to Intel.
For me, of all the 4060ti reviews I've seen, I think yours nails it. Simple message, backed up by clear evidence. It's a definite leave on the shelf @ $400. More worryingly, Nvidia's relaunch of the 4080 12GB as the 4070ti, means this was originally intended to be a 4070. And therefore should its performance be compared 'generationally' to the 3070, not the 3060ti? In which case it's not even level pegging, it's just flat out less powerful.
@@drunkhusband6257 considering that the rtx 3060ti is 2 years old and the 4060ti performance is within margin of error of it, that $250 - $280 would be the pricing in a sane market. Nvidia cant expect to keep drastically increasing prices for marginal improvements AND keep the pricing high on generations old hardware. Notice how its only in the GPU market where the above is the case lol The GPU market is broken and Nvidia broke it. Edit: Also, the RX 7600 launched at $270 MSRP and that has similar performance to the 4060ti and 3060ti.. making Nvidia pricing even more ridiculous.
@@drunkhusband6257 Not true. The 1080 ti launched at $600, now the 4090 is $1600+. That is significantly higher than when adjusted for inflation. Not to mention nvidia isn't even bothering to give more performance for the money anymore, this is literally a flatline in performance for the same price while it costs them less to produce.
Holy crap, those Last of Us results were absolutely damning. Imagine getting a brand new $400 card and watching it get immediately dumpstered at 1440p 😑 It's clear as day that Nvidia is trying to sell 50-class silicon at 60-class prices - giving you less for more money. It's pure shrinkflation.
TLoU is a pretty bad port though, doesn't necessarily highlight the true problem which is more to do with bandwidth than it has to do with capacity. That does mean I'm kind of curious how much better the 16gb version will do, but I'm not really holding my breath for it...
@@MLWJ1993 Fair, but the other 1440 results weren't exactly glowing - especially during the gameplay tests. Both Callisto and Plague Tale had moments where performance suddenly fell off a cliff.
@@WickedRibbon Which may or may not happen with the 16gb version because it still has a 128-bit memory bus. For context, that's less memory bandwidth than a GTX 1060. They could potentially improve upon this with more cache hits given it does have more L2 cache, but I heavily doubt it'll really happen. It's just cut down too far to really be viable at this pricetag & that's not just due to the VRAM capacity.
@@MLWJ1993 Ah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how much 16GB of VRAM will help mitigate the bandwidth issue. We know it helps the 3070 quite a bit, but that card has a 256-bit interface.
I guess Nvidia assumed we would still be in a massive GPU drought when they designed these cards. It would explain why they cut every possible corner and saved every penny. Hopefully AMD will take a decent bite out of the lower half of the market. Maybe even Intel if these cards are not refreshed any time soon.
I think you are dead on here. This whole stack, pricing, etc looks exactly like a pandemic pricing strategy, or rather i should say pandemic fleecing strategy
The problem is even discounted they aren't worth it unless you are coming from a 10 or 20 series. If you already have a 30 series, pretty much nothing other than 4080 and above is a real upgrade.
Unfortunately, even with 16 gb of vram its still stuck with the 128 bit bus. on a 400 dollar card they had to have known they were going to get destroyed. So weird to have massive margins but still be cutting down their memory configurations. The pascal generation they recommend switching from had 6gb on 192 bit for the gtx 1060 at half the price. So stagnant.
This GPUs main issue is not the 8gb VRAM capacity, although I agree with everything you say, what’s really gimping this card is the measly 128-bit bus, making it way worst than the 3060ti, which has 256-bit bus and scale ls to higher resolutions better
Holy smokes the Ray Tracing results are abysmal! And those are games currently available - NV is really having fun with us it seems... Crazy - after 3060ti - I really thought this would be a worthy card. Thanks for the benchmarks - good stuff.
Great review. Completely agree! We've stagnated on 8GB for way too long. Developers were bound to move on at some point. I mean the PS5 and Xbox have more vram than a 600$ 3070 Ti. 8GB shouldn't even be entry level anymore. We've had them for a decade. R9 390 came out in 2015... I thought we would have been well past the graphics we have today years ago. Just like Intel quad cores for a decade........ Complete stagnation...
Rx 480 8gb and Gtx 1070 8gb came out almost 7 years ago with the same sized memory. It is embarrassing how Nvidia is limiting memory size as a method of planned obsolescence, while attempting to hold back the gaming industry at the same time. Also the memory bus situation is terrible, the 1070 gets 256 GB/s while the 4060 Ti gets 288 GB/s. A whopping 13% increase after 7 years.
I don't agree with your point regarding 8GB VRAM. 8GB VRAM is more than enough for games which are properly optimised. PS3 had 256MB VRAM and Xbox 360 had 512MB of VRAM and lasted for 8 years. GPU companies are trying to fool people to make them spend more money. If the PS5 had only 8GB of VRAM game companies would still be able to optimise the game well. Series S has 8GB which the console will probably go on for 5 more years.
@@TheRealMikeMichaels The games are optimized fine. The game engines can draw details on texture with higher fidelity and the GPU cores can render those assets now - without the GRAM the renders has to look to cache or bus and the result is 5FPS. If your idea of optimization is less detail then just play with lowest textures. If I'm going to play with low textures I could get by with a $40 GTX 1030. Putting a Ferrari Enzo on a country dirt road is nonsensical and mating this core to 8GB of VRAM is the same.
don't you forget the r9 290x 8gb :D incidentally that one was a high-end card for 1440p gaming and could be had for around 400 bucks... -we evolved, just backwards-
it's a 4050. It has 50 series generational performance It has 50 series power consumption It has 50 series silicon (actually it's SMALLER than 1650 and MUCH smaller than 3050) It has 50 series memory bus (128 bit) It has 50 series memory capacity (tier) Nvidia consider us complete idiots.
Yeah at least the 4090 is truth those other 40 series are not truthful they all fakes expect 4090 and 4090 Ti RTX 4070 Ti was named 4080 12gb they changed to 4070 Ti RTX 4070 = 4060 Ti RTX 4060 = 4050 the PCB is too small
Something everyone seem to have forgotten is that Nvidia wanted to call the 4070ta a 4080 and charge more $ for it. They where forced to call it the 4070ti and still charged too much for it. This means they wanted everything below it to be bumped up a naming tier and to charge more. For example Nividia had originally planed on calling this 4060ti the 4070 with a price of at least, but probably more than, $600 for a 8GB card, this was Nvidias original plan, to charge you more for similar or worse performance than last gen. And they are still charging more for similar performance in laptops compared to last gen.
Ehhh I do doubt this was meant to be a 4070. The 4060ti is weaker than a 3070, and for all their faults I don't think NVidia would ever release a card that is worse than its last gen counterpart.
I'm glad this is the message that is being sent out. It's still too bad there is no centralized effort to properly boycott these products so that Ngreedia can really get some sense especially with this economy.
Even that will not work, because the truth is that these big chip companies don't care about the consumer market at all now. They are in the business of selling thousands dollar GPUs for AI LLM models. Elon Musk bought 10,000 GPUs for example, for an AI project. While they will be trying to milk their customers selling them overly expensive and substandard GPUs with huge margins.
@@ilijavxx no I am optimistic it would work because even you're bringing up profits and these profits are not something insignificant to the health of this company. In this power struggle, the company would be forced to give in to consumer demands or else they would lose it all.
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I feel like your titling of "laughably bad" indicates the same problem we had: we're running out of short, clear phrases that illustrate the badness of a product that can go in our title without repeating ourselves... one day maybe the GPU market will return to normalcy.
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GN: one day maybe the GPU market will return to normalcy.
Narrator: "It didn't"
They are desperate for more $$ to justify their absurd market cap. The bubble will pop soon
@@stark5353 What do you mean? Come on, this is 2020, Ampere is going to launch in a few days, GPU market is finally getting exciting!
"catastrophically disappointing"
Nvidia’s legit selling a $199 4050Ti as a 4060Ti for $400 😂
I was scrolling for this comment xD, I think most of us think that, it also happens with the upper mid-range.
Pretty much yeah . But no matter what they call it , given the perf it should cost no more than 250$ t to be worth spending money on it in the middle of 2023 .
remember that if the rtx 4080 12gb wasn't unlaunched the 4060 ti would have been the 4070 8gb...... its a shame it didn't happen, i would have love to see nvidia go bankrupt
I would say $150 but I agree its overpriced
Yup and sadly many will buy it
EVGA’s decision to leave the GPU market keeps making more and more sense.
So many comments like yours. I can't begin to tell you how much it hurts seeing it every single time. EVGA made the right move but this is a pyrhic victory at best. This decision though will most likely finish off the company too.
Too bad they didn’t go with Intel, what a twist that would be
@@Paul_Sleeping The GPU devision was barely profitable. I believe that they will be able to pivot into power supplies or mainboards for example.
nV is an AI company now, their silicon is too valuable to sell to gamers.
@@puddles5501 it's OK, they can keep it. when there's demand, someone will fill the void
$200 was the 1080p target. To raise it to $400 is ridiculous
Just buy a 6600 or 6600 xt. They are both generally around $200 and are plenty good for 1080p right now. Want a bit of future proofing? Get 6700 xt
I would also like to mention that Intel actually lowered the price of their Arc A750 to $199 as well and is fairly competitive for what it is.
It's a good 4K card wdym. Slap on DLSS performance and enjoy excellent performance
I remember when the GTX1060 came out, it matched the 980 and had 50% more VRAM. Those were the days.😪
2 years ago I sold my 6GB 1060 for $200 lol
Yeah Nvida have obviously tried hard not to make the mistakes of the 10 series again. The mistake of delivering a good performing well priced product.
Yes, why that card has legendary status.
I remember when the 970 came out and it beat the 780 ti for half the price
Dont forget the 3060ti making more fps than a 2070 super! Nowdays u gain 12% moving from 3060ti to the 4060ti.
No wonder EVGA dropped the GPU business. It appears as if they were not going to participate in this scam for users, and for that they deserve a lot of credit.
imagine if all brands just stopped selling nvidia cards, probably only then would they stop this nonesense
@@adriandabrowski4990 going by the way Nvidia try to take it's partners out of business at every opportunity I guess that they will be happy to operate the scam alone
Granted I wouldn’t but any current gen Nvidia card period, but if I were to buy one, EVGA being out of the picture alone makes me hesitant. They had the absolute best customer service. Every time I’ve needed to contact them, I received a response from a human, within a reasonable time, and they actually addressed my message. I’ve had so many experiences with other brands that send automated responses that have fuck all to do with the issue.
wish they went to AMD instead cause amd cards are more value atm although they missed a competitive launch price. which I think stunted their overall market impact. the price is lower now but shouldve been at that price point to begin with
I agree 100%
The fact it doesnt even always beat the 3060 ti is depressing
It's a rtx 3060 v2. :). You just didn't realized that yet!
@@Flavius-Tech More or less, yes, but basically an RTX 4050 ti, when you consider the power consumption (the only good thing about this card).
I wish you included the Arc A770 in this review considering its price and the fact that is has 16GB of VRAM.
You can easily find tests of A770 vs RTX 3070. No, it's not even close, especially in 1440p. VRAM won't help if GPU is simply not fast enough.
Bro 4060ti destroys the arc. I wud never buy 4060ti but sorry to say it is still the best value card atm under 500
@@anuzahyder7185 how ?
@@anuzahyder7185 What's wrong with rx 6700 xt?
@@AbbasDalal1000 The 4060 Ti matches the 3070 on average, the A770 performs like a 3060 on average. Ironically the A770 targeted the 3070.
I've said it over and over: in 2015, we got an R9 390 with 8GB for $330. The fact we're still getting this much VRAM on more expensive cards 8 years later is a complete joke. The Nvidia simps can make all the excuses about faster memory modules and more cache all they want, but the simple fact is that games require much more VRAM than they did 8 years ago, and games are now developed for the 9th gen consoles with 16GB unified memory (say ~13GB dedicated VRAM). Stop making excuses and demand better.
there was even an r9 290x 8GB version in 2014
"But Nvidia is working on super duper compression algorithms so we will only need 4GB VRAM in a few years - $600 8GB GPUs will be fine!" -Nvidia simps 😂
The r9 390 was a complete joke in terms of thermals and performance. By that extension, the r9 fury was an even bigger joke with it's tiny amount of video memory, especially at $650. And then of course crypto miners latched onto that thing like a facehugger and left gamers with the corpse of a ruined card.
The radeon 7 is also a good example - 16 GB of HBM with a 4 kb bus, and 300mm^2 of the latest greatest process node, for $700. That's with a better node than the one nvidia used in the 3000 series. Same die size as the 4070ti and twice the memory bandwidth, but $100 less launch MSRP. It even had a full 16x PCIe connection!
@@ZeroHourProductions407 Agreed on the Fury X, and I would include the RX 6500 XT in the "not enough VRAM" catagory. But those cards sold like crap, unlike the RTX 3070 + 3070 Ti. And yes, the R9 390 had its own issues, but it gave you plenty of longevity to use high/ultra quality textures, which means games can still look great even if you have to lower other settings to low or medium.
remember when 400$ almost gave you top tier gaming performance, only rivaled by the 500$ flagship gpu? Good times.
Even in 2016 RX480 8gb was an awesome card for only $240. In my 22 years in pc gaming I've never bought card for more than $300, often cheaper like 650ti boost for $149, but looks like 4070 is a minimum now.
My gtx 1070 has been a champ all these years.
Back in the Gtx 680 days. I remember waiting a while until I got mine shipped out lol
My 970 still remember
You know, I have a tablet for browsing, media consumption, and writing. I could just as well remove my pc and get a console. A sub-par gfx card is too close for comfort and might just as well increase console sales. For sure, it's best to skip the entire 40 series unless you can afford a 4090.
While it's annoying and disappointing to see Nvidia fail to learn another obvious lesson, it's absolutely great to see HUB working hard at consumer advocacy and genuine, honest hardware reporting.
400 for a 4050 class card is insane
Indeed. This is a terrible product, not only "terrible price". There is no way around it - some people will claim "duh it's a 3070 with a 100 USD discount" but that's not true with the anemic memory bus, and even if it was, it's still a terrible place to be in considering that 3060Ti and 3070 are so close that they can be to even call them distinct products from the same generation! In other words, "3070-like performance for 100 USD discount" is not an argument when a 3060Ti exists! This turd cannot be saved by a 16 GB buffer, and not even if it came at the same 400 US Dollars.
How is it 4050 class?
@@noahw5887 Simple naming scum from Novidia, if it was real 4060 Ti it would outperform 3070 Ti, simple as that
@@noahw5887 Look at the die comparising 3050 to 4060. Everything indicates that it is precisely a 4050 product marketed as 4060, and they originally wanted to market it as 4070
Respect to HU, GN and anybody who got free samples and still had balls to tell the truth. Not everybody will risk being neutral and risk loosing good relationship with nvidia. Too much money to lose.
Money means nothing if no one will trust your reviews and you will be loosing subscribers and viewers left right and center.
HUB has gained everyone's trust after their ban from Nvidia
Trust the Steves.
Viewers are their main revenue source. Even if Nvidia and AMD stopped giving them free samples, they have their own TH-cam money to buy products to review.
I doubt they want a repeat of the "lets ban HBU from our products" PR disaster, maybe just release more desirable cards and be done with it.
Nvidia trying to milk a 4050
It's ~40% faster than 3060, I'd argue it's a 4060. But regardless, another cash grab
The 4050 will have 32gb /s
Protip: Follow 2 podcasts if you are interested in topics like this. TECHonomics and Broken Silicon. Tom , Paul, and Chris got this shit on lockdown. Tim and Steve have been guests on both podcasts.
Not really
@@margenov you'll still buy it anyways especially the 16gb
And just think, it's only $400 in the USA and for the founder's edition card. It's going to be much more expensive in any other country and for any of the partner models. It's a no-go until it's on sale, if it ever goes on sale, and then only maybe.
4060ti is $520 here in Pakistan for a low tier variant.
35:30 The console comparison for price is a very important one, I hope more reviewers make those.
One of the basics in business school is that your competition aren't always the only thing you have to worry about. Outsiders can straight up obsolete your product and it looks like this is where the gaming PC is going.
A banger 720p card for only $400 in 2023. Progress, thanks Nvidia!
Lol HD
lol
nvidia is trying to help us play retro games , most people only not understand that
We’re kinda exxagerrating now, card is fine for 1080p and even 1440p high RT off. The problem is $400 for this kinda performance, with a super limited bandwidth and 8gb of vram is criminal. This should really be no more than $300 at most
@@Angel7black but can it run hogwarts legacy on ultra at 1080p
Given the 3060ti was basically a 2080 super, it’s really disappointing that the 4060ti is only a 3070 (or not even that sometimes). This might be the worst next gen card released ever. At 1440p it’s basically only an overclocked 3060ti.
Well, the 2000 series didn't offer much of an uplift in performance vs the 1000.
@@valrond The 2000 series cards looked like an evolutionary leap forward compared to the 4060ti.
@@The_Trojan 2000 series was terrible too
It uses 30% less power and is 10% faster than last gen and people still cry. Yeh it's expensive, just dont buy it if you dont think it's worth it
10% faster is downright pathetic given how much Nvidia wants for it.
4060 Ti to 3060 Ti: Am I a joke to you?
3060 Ti: Yes.
Frankly the 3060Ti was a bit of a joke as well and should have dropped to $300 last year. $400 is too much for a 8GB card for at least a year now.
Just imagine how the 4060 will be!
So Nvidia basically re-released the 3060 Ti with a different name and at the same price…amazing
It Nvidia they are scum
3060ti has 256 memory bus xD
They released RTX 4050 Ti with the name of 60 series and the price of 70 series.
And frankly the 3060 TI was already overpriced for what it is, miners had already driven up prices arounds its release. 8 gigs of memory is bad even then for the price.
and added performance hack and locked it by new serie :D :D :D... thats very.... "friendly" , from hardware point of view :D.
Whoa! Never seen Steve lay into Nvidia like that before. This is like returning to the 90s when actual technology critics and reviewers existed. Very impressed.
Right? This pretty brutal.
Good to see Nvidia getting called out for such an obvious money grab. They need to learn that we aren’t under pandemic pricing anymore but they do seem intent on keeping that going
Absolutely support your stance here. Keep pushing it and do not let those companies off the hook!
At this point, I guess we can all admit the one thing nVidia is good at; - Making older graphics cards look like great value purchases.
Great sales pitch for a 6700XT from nvidia 👏 well done
All rtx 4000 series doing same
4070ti selling 7900xt
4070 selling 6950 and 6800
And now 4060ti will sell 6700 series
@@attila1312 This is their strategy to bankrupt all the AIBs so they can sell their card themself. EVGA down the rest soon. 5head
I agree, at best the 4060 is 5% faster, but 5000% slower in games needing more than 8gb of vram.
Yup, the stock of 6700 XT or 6750 XT, are about to run out for sure.
So glad I bought a 6700XT for $330 last year.
GN and HWUnboxed are the only two channels I trust on this
Holy shit, with 6700xt going for cheaper than some 3060, 4060ti might as well be DOA.
Yep.. And also Paul's Hardware.
Linus new video title is crazy
@@sigmamale4147 yeah, it’s clickbait to get you talking about it or click the video. Guess it worked.
@@ManuSaraswat it is DOA for sure
"Now when we increase the resolution to 1080p" is not a sentence i imagined hearing in a gpu review since about 2011, let alone a 400$ one...
It's 2023 and we now "enjoying" 1080p gaming! 😂
You can enjoy 4k gaming but you pay the price with buying the RTX 4070/80/90. If they seem unreasonable for you then wait for the 5000 series and hope the performance gap between the 4060 Ti and 5060 Ti is large enough to fix your bottleneck.
@@MrZulgen Yeah, you can enjoy "4K gaming" if you are willing to pay stupid amount of money just for a video card. Thanks, but I do actually have a brain and a little bit respect for myself to not allow myself to get ripped off.
As expected, barely matches the 3070, so 10% better than 3060 Ti and no vRAM increase for the same price 2.5 years later - horrific.
it loses to 3060ti i some games here too , its insane
@@bingbong3084 They nerfed memory bus, that's why it loses in some titles to the 3060 ti, too bad to be true.
@@19alive and whats funny nvidia is marketing frame generation while failing ot mention frame generation costs VRAM as well as RT too , so the two features they alare selling you probably wont be able to turn on unless you lower textures to mud quality in games a year from now , we already see it with re4+rt or last of us , amazing stuff really , wonder how many people are going to get scammed
More like only 1% faster at higher resolution lol
I thought the title was harsh, but then I saw the new card *lose* to it's own previous generation for several games. Bloody hell!
That's what happens when you market 4050 Ti as 4060Ti.
Not harsh enough
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 4050 non-Ti
For the future, I think it'd be good to mark something like DNF (did not finish) is done in racing when a card doesn't have enough VRAM to render the benchmark correctly and thus the FPS doesn't really matter.
Like outline the bar with warning markers and have a key at the bottom or put an icon by the card, and for the average results have a number for the amount of DNF.
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Im impressed Nvidia found room to fit a card between the 3070 and 3060ti and at the same price point. Truely a stunning product
@ZaHandleyeah but Nvidia segments their products so much, they're slicing them down to the atomic level.
They just released the 3060Ti DLSS3 Edition
That's because its not a "REAL" 4060TI to begin with. Its a 4060 at best. and the upcoming 4060 should be the 4050ti or 4050.
@bruh OC argument never makes sense. Guess what you can also OC a 3070 to 3070ti levels
@bruh Yeah I know I own a 3070 (3060ti wasnt available at the time) and I use the 60ti as stand in on benchmark charts if the 70 isn't there as they are essentially the same card.
@@Valueshooter Well as they already moved the goal posts once by making the 3080ti a 3090ti essentially just print a 9 instead of an 8 and jack up the price I would say this card is more of a 4040ti as it performs the same as a 3060ti which was in fact a 3050ti due to the stack shift last gen. This card should actually be sub $100-$150
The cost per frame graph comparing the 3060ti vs 4060ti is one of the funniest things I've ever seen 🤣
"They just relaunched the 3060Ti" - Gamers Nexus
Thank God for channels like yours that just tell it like it is ...
Nvidia tries to show which hardware specs are affecting GPU performance. They made a RTX 3070 for showing VRAM issues. Then, releasing RTX 4060 Ti for 8GB and 128 bit bus with pcie x8. For understanding bus better. Probably, 5060 Ti will have an 10 GB and 160 bit bus with pcie 5.0 x4 to understand pcie express bandwith better. May Intel save us from AMD and Nvidia.
Expecting people to buy a $400 GPU where you have to compromise settings at 1080P DAY ONE (!) is utterly preposterous. As GN pointed out, they marketed the $300 GTX 1060 for 1080P gaming in 2016...
I paid $400 for my RX 5700XT at the beginning of all of this covid bs TWO YEARS ago while it was still in stock. It's sad to see this "4060 Ti" is the only type of crap $400 gets you now. What makes it worse is it's $460 if you want the fancy MSI model in the video.
Well come to the future!
🤣
Still use my gtx 1060 3gb and it play SOTR ultra on 1080p, but older ROTR on high only. And cost me arround 260$ new dec 2017.
@@haukionkannel Ya, a future of shit money and constant ass reaming's for low tier garbage. 😆
Ah yes! I love to upgrade my 3060ti with a 4060ti and actually get worse performance in the latest games. Now that's game changing upgrade for the same price
but nvidia does 200% more profit so its 200% better
Lmao
but you get to see our favourite company flourish by consuming their products!
Never thought I’d ever hear myself advocate for them but we desperately need Intel GPU to succeed. The gouging and arrogance we have to put up with NVIDIA is so frustrating
It's a good thing Nvidia makes GPUs instead of cars. They would breezily point out that seatbelts "are not needed in most circumstances" and then charge you 25% more for cars that have them
nvidia has chips in Teslas.
@@garbagemousemat678smith2 I'm never going near a road again
You know something is really wrong when a 60 Ti card can't even pull 50% of what a 80 card can do....
4080 should've been 4060 Ti. And 4070 Ti should've been 4060.
@@drunkhusband6257 Doesn't mean it's reasonably priced.
@@drunkhusband6257 as your name implies, you must be drunk. Price/performance is what matters, not just price. On that front, it's pretty bad. Just get a 6700xt for roughly the same performance, $50 cheaper, and 4 more gb of ram.
@@drunkhusband6257 indeed glad I bought the 3060ti 6 months ago at that price so I don't have to buy it again now
@@drunkhusband6257 So you've just confirmed what @GeoBans said, go home buddy, you're drunk.
16GB version should have been $400, not this. This shouldn't have come out.
No 350
Well they know their customers y'all are stupid as it comes
should've done a bigger bus width with 12gb of VRAM for 350.
350 for sure. I remember paying 250 for a 6gb 1060 when it was new and that was when 6gb was relevant. With inflation and adequate corporate greed, thats 350 today bucks. they could make the 8gb version 300, thats rather 1060 3gb like, and treat the 4060 non ti like the 1050ti it really is
$250 for 4060 at 12gb and 16gb 4060Ti. THAT would be reasonable.
Just a reminder, the GTX 1060 which released in 2019 has a 6GB VRAM, which means for all these years, the xx60 series Nvidia cards (non Ti) has only progressed 2GB in VRAM department
I'm more worried about the memory bus width downgrades for the RTX4000 series than the memory capacity in my opinion.
Disappointed that you have not included the Intel Arc A770 16gb card, surely a possible alternative comparison given the cheaper price. The A750 could also have been included. It is not the first time you have overlooked Intel cards, notably when comparing DLSS vs FSR but without a mention of XESS.
Intel still has a lot of issues
Bro 4060ti is easily faster than a770. Check daniel owen
Gamers Nexus included it, it's a decent bit slower overall and still has driver problems with a lot of games.
$400 struggling at 1080p because of VRAM. That's just a joke.
But have to say, Nvidia's claim that it's fine for 1080 is right, 1080p ultra-low that is.
Yeah, it's insane, right?! I did a quick search on Google, so bear with me. A wiki article explains that 1080p gaming started in 2005 and became the standard in 2008. You and I understand that games and hardware evolve, but how is it possible to not run everything on high on 100 fps nearly 20 years later!? If I were a GPU manufacturor, I'd try to get 1440p the standard 5 years ago, and slowly make 4k for enthusiasts. Unless you have a 4080+, 4k is giving console FPS. 20 years and 1080p is still limited. Nvidia will say "but the majority still runs 1080p" - Yes, because your hardware disappoints beyond that.
This is bullshit struggling at 1080p cmon now get real or put the pipe down.
I dont mind turning down settings to get closer to the fps I want to play at 90fps+ but thats only if its limited by gpu
turning down quality because the amount of vram bottlenecks the card at 1080p is a garbage product
and when Nvidia is pushing RT and RT uses more VRAM for the bvh structure, the 4060Ti is a "waste of sand"- GN Steve aka Tech Jesus
@@imo098765 Depends entirely on the game and its engine. To say a 4060ti is garbage at 1080p cmon need to lay off the weed.
It's the GTX960 in 2015 all over again. Anyone buying this card is being scammed of the highest order.
Damn the 6800 looks like a beast of a gpu for the price in those benchmark comparisons
people told me to not buy one since new gpus are around the corner -> bought one anyways -> people were wrong lol
Its a powerhouse, highly recommend. Itll pull ray-tracing even, not super FPS but playable. Not that I personally care about RT, hence I bought a Radeon
I just bought mine (Asus TUF OC) for $450 about a month ago, and now I think it was a good buy!!
Unless you are buying the high end, last gen is the way to go for an upgrade.
Me with my RX 6800 16GB two years later and happy as could be.
I remember when they used to put obscene amounts of VRAM onto low end cards (eg *200 series) because that tricked people into thinking it was better.
I love your brutal honesty. I will always trust your reviews over anybody else. You see so many people caught trying to say it's a good product only to go back on it and realize that was a big mistake and no one's falling for that crap. Thank you very much for informing buyers!
The 4060Ti does win an award for one of the most brutal GPU reviews ever 😂
Can you give me a link to the brutal review? Everyone seems to just be very kind and just stating numbers
I feel like the RTX 4060Ti (16GB) is the one that should be priced at USD $300. And the one people should buy, for 1440p Ultra gaming and 2160p Lite gaming.
This current RTX 4060Ti (8GB) is basically a 1080p Ultra gaming or 1440p Lite gaming dGPU.
Nvidia and their pricing would be right, if the price of other 4K Hardware had not become cheaper and mainstream. Basically SSD prices, general PC prices, and 4K Monitors. Go back 10 Years ago, and these products were priced at a premium, not so today. Not to mention the current / new-age Game Engines and Titles that specifically target 4K as the base configuration.
@@ekinteko 1440p ultra and 2160p? with 128 bus the perfomance is garbage even with 16gb of vram, the current 4000 series shouldn't even exist
Ehh pretty sure it's on par with the reviews the 3050 got. What's really bad is it's a ti model not even a base model.
@@ekinteko Yet, in reality, the 4060 Ti 16GB is going to be $500 and not much better in 1440p or 4k because of the 128-bit memory bus.
Thank you for making my 6700XT for $285 worth the buy even more. As once a solely a Nvidia User jumping over to the other side has been far easier. Drivers have no issue. No login to G force now. Can still stream games via LAN in my house and play where ever
Maybe could have waited for the 7700 xt. May have the perf of 6800 maybe 6800xt or in between the 2 for 400 to 450 with 12 to 16gb
I switched from a 2070 to a 6950xt and I don’t know if I’ll ever go back if NVIDIA keeps this up. Not to mention I adore the adrenaline software for suuuuuper easy over clocking.
@@nicane-9966 I was thinking the same thing but for that price I mean I can't complain. I only play 1080P 144hz so tbh I just need that. I could of waited for 7700xt but with AMD not really doing anything special with pricing I doubt it would be as favourable as 280$
@@nicane-9966 Bro I was a 1050TI I aint waiting any longer 🤣. Its enough for 1080P at ultra so I am good But you always going to be waiting thats the thing so rather pull the trigger and wait and see and in my case it worked out well
The 7900xt is actually doing really well!
im quite suprised that my 6950xt competes, and even with highER tier 4000 series. i guess it was a right decision to grab that thing on discount.
Given that in rasterization of a 3060Ti is about on par with a 1080Ti, which has 11GB of VRAM, even a 6 year old card is a better deal than this newly launched product.
Bought RX 6800 2 years ago. The past 2-3 years in tech-world has been utterly insane. Time has certainly changed. Monopoly rules. I remember in the 90s we had a street that was nicknamed "Silicon Alley" because of all the computer/hardware stores. Stores next to eachother as far as you could see. Massive PC boom. Insane competition, great prices. Today only 2-3 left. 😭
That has a lot to do with online shopping as much as anything else and it has affected a lot of retail businesses.
Just think of all the semiconductor manufacturers we had in the early 2000s.
Now we're down to what? 2 or 3 for the entire Earth?
Also several GPU makers each with their own quirks existed back then. That’s why it’s nice to see Intel join in and actually be somewhat competitive at the moment and have more future proof hardware.
4000 series is "uplabeled" to keep the price increase. This gen is the sacrificial lamb for the next gen 5000 vs 4000 benchmarks to create the new xx60, xx70, xx80 spec norms at the higher price.
Or we are the sacrificial lamb for Nvidias great AI and Raytracing experiment, although at least with AI they have found bigger customers to spend on future dev which may become a trickle down to gamers, not so sure about Ray Tracing though. Reminds me of the Camera market, trying to defend their profits against mobile phones has meant high R&D costs to chase the videography market with ever ridiculous spec/power creep (image stabilised 8K etc) but if you are just interested in a decent stills camera you are having to pay for the development of something you are not interested in using.
Why not!
5060 at $500 with 128 bit or 96bit memory bus and 8Gb or 9Gb of vram will make 4060 to look good!
🤣
About a year ago i was wondering whether to buy an rx6800 at msrp or wait until 40 series cards to come... Long story short, thanks again for helping me justify my rx6800 purchase. Great video.
I do not think this 4060 8g card would be a bad card if they would have named it correctly which I believe should have been named 4050 at about about $250 to $350 range. Which would have been a large increase from the 3050 and would have been viewed as a win for NVIDIA.
The 3050 had 24% of the max shader / texture processing units Ampere chip. This 4060 TI has 24% of the top Lovelace chip. This is a xx50 class card, not a xx60 TI. I would like to see this card compared with it’s technical predecessor, the 3050, as well as it’s pricing predecessor, the 3060 TI which had 45% of the max Ampere chip.
Edit: To clarify, I don’t think a full video just comparing the 3050 and 4060 TI is needed. I’m just saying in the future for the initial review, including that kind of comparison truly exposes this kind of cash grab…. Because that’s what this is.
That's not really a great comparison this time around, because the 4090 is sort of an outlier with its monstrous compute performance. For example the 4080 is around 80% as fast with less than 60% of the compute performance vs the 4090. Still though, the gen on gen performance uplift is worse than bad, it's a complete and utter waste of TSMC fab capacity.
@@GuyFromJupiter “it’s a complete and utter waste of TSMC fab capacity”
See that’s why they need to force the technical comparisons, if this 4060TI was branded and priced as a 4050, it would be great value. That’s what this card actually compares to if you’re looking at gen on gen uplift from a technical perspective.
Also the high end cards don’t typically have a huge spread after the 80 series. The 3080 was only 10% behind the 3090.
@@z0mb1e564yeah I’ve said the 4060ti should be a 4060 and priced at least $100 less but I can understand those that say it should be more like a 4050 in the $200-250 range.
If a 4060ti can barely beat a 3060ti, the 4060 being between a 3060 and 3060ti sounds pretty bad
Nvidia are no longer about quality. They suck and the PC master race is a joke of an idea nowadays. Sadly when the monopoly holder is choosing to drop quality so badly then it's just a bad day for PC gaming. If Nvidia want to ruin their image and brand that is their choice but it's whether PC gamers are smart enough to jump ship or not.
People not even getting good 1080p on PC nowadays, without paying stupid money.
yeah no that's not how you do a launch review. you compare it with 1. the card it's replacing.. e.g. 3060ti 2. you compare it with current similarly priced cards.. e.g. the 6700XT and RX6800 which they did. anything less than that is a waste of their time and consumers time.
The first ever 50-class with $400 MSRP. Thank you ngreedia!
Ngreedia! 😂😂😂
Just wait the real 50-class when 4050 will be released... This will look good compared to that!
@@haukionkannel you mean a 4030 masquerading as a 4050? at 4050 price ofc KEKW
looks like we are better off buying a 3060ti and overclocking.
This is a fucking 40 series card if that.
Nvidia: ´If you guys want cheaper GPUs, well, we will have to cripple them so they can become affordable. God forbid releasing a new generation of GPUs that would offer more or the same performance for less.´
(I´m looking at you, too, AMD. )
As GN pointed out the 6700XT is a much better option for a really good value with more memory.
So the 16gb card will be $500. You can get a 6800xt for the same price and blow this out of the water.
Hell, you can get an open box 6900xt for $530.
Nvidia fan boys will buy $400 4060Ti to dial down quality settings at 1080p while $400 PS5 owners play the same games at 4K! Just sad…
@@tringuyen7519 and what amd card can play 4k at 400$ current no old gen stuff witch is heavely discount
But is a old gen card no one want a old gen product even if faster just buy a 4090 if you need more performance
@@HosakaBlood Looking at this comment as well as your videos having all older Nvidia GPUs (going back to GTX 470), you have the perfect mindset Nvidia is looking for, therefor continues to skyrocket their prices. Congratulations!
What a lot of people don’t get here is that the 80 series and 70 series cards have traditionally been the same GPU, just a cut down version in the 70 series. With Nvidias 4000 series, they decided that the 4080 is its own GPU (AD103 die), and the 4070 Ti (AD104 die) is a separate one. The 104 dies usually went to the 60 models while the 106 dies (which is in the 4060 Ti) usually went to the entry level GPUs (like the 3050). So after the RTX 4080, all the cards below it were moved down a performance tier (because they had a lower tier chip) but kept the same name and pricing so Nvidia can maximize margins. This is all evident in Steves data.
The fact that Nvidia decided to make a 16GB version last minute (as evidenced by the graphics on the video cards boxes), and charged a ridiculous $500 for it, just goes to show how they’re trying to extract as much money as possible from their customers.
Hopefully AMD is smart enough to capitalize on this, release comparable models at much lower prices.
I know I’m not buying Nvidia anytime soon for the scummy ways.
I could be misunderstanding, but doesn't that mean that Ada is performing worse than nVidia expected given the segmentation? If not, it does seem like blatant over-selling, I cannot imagine hardware AV1 taking so much effort that it hamstrung raster perf
They are essentially doubling the price for all cards, tbh.
AMD is not your friend and "capitalizing" on this means saving the consumer maybe $50 on an equivalent performing card.
@@pogtuber5146 AMD undercutting it’s competitor’s prices isn’t implying they’re “friends”.
@rngQ Is the other way around, their Ada Lovelace architecture is great, as evident with the 4090. Hell, they could have extracted much more performance from their AD101 but decided not to since they knew AMD could not compete with them in performance with their 7900 XTX. Because of that they decided to move the segmentation down, so a 80 class of today would behave as s 70 class from a generation or two ago and so on and so forth. This is basically a 4050 ti, a typically $150-$200 GPU being sold for twice as much, which is pretty much in line with the rest of the 4000 series. Nvidia does this because they are pretty confident no other company can challenge them and so far they are right, at least on the newest gen cards. The RDNA2 is their most direct competition right now, but those cards are a couple of years old at this point and don't have the bells and whistles of the newest gen (DLSS3, AV1). Tbh if you have a Pascal era card (GTX 1060-80) or a Polaris era card (RX 560-90) then maybe you should look for a RDNA2 card. If you can, you should better wait and see the RDNA3 options from AMD or wait till 2024 for Intel and their Battlemage line of cards. Maybe the 5000 series will not be as bad as this gen, but I can't be sure, Nvidia is so full of themselves that they might as well sell the same GPUs for their 5000 but with DLSS 4 and other stupid gimmicks that doesn't make sense unless you have a 90 class card three generations later...
Before this generation came out I was planning on getting a 4070, but when I saw it was not 16GB I was immediately turned off.
Now that everything has been released and reviewed it’s really disappointing how bad the whole range is.
Definitely not worth the extra money Nvidia commands over AMD in my region.
Seems like Nvidia is going to be in trouble if their next generation continues in their current direction.
Especially if AMD can make improvements in their support of productivity tasks.
Bro amd outdid nvidia and released an even worse product in 7600. Nvidia can do this because theres no competition from amd
@@anuzahyder7185 How the hell is it worse? It's not far behind the 4060 ti in performance for $130 less. It's also significantly faster than the 6600 it replaces. The 4060 ti is literally the same performance as the 3060 ti for the same price, that is worse by a country mile.
@@Son37Lumiere amd is in big trouble. Nvidia dropped prices. 3060ti is going for 315 only. No point in buying 7600
@@anuzahyder7185 Just checked and I only found one 3060 ti for $332, which was the cheapest. Most are still in the $350+ range. I'm sure the 7600 will drop to $250 before long as well. So no, not really. The 4060 ti is still far worse, hot garbage in fact.
Im stuck with a 8 year+ old card and horrific UK prices. Was set on a 6700 xt, but despite how bad it is, the 4060s much lower energy cost is tempting. But then again UK prices will have the thing at £500+ and delete any savings 😅
The fact this GPU is not comprehensively outperforming the 3070 is all I needed to know. It's crazy how this Nvidia generation the undisputed king of price to performance is the 4090 which in years past the flagship offered diminishing returns on the high end.
Sometimes it doesn't outperform a 3060ti...
At the same time the 4090 is a fire hazzard, the lenghts nvidia goes to not give you good value.
Planned obsolescence at it best, they become crazy enough to want to burn people houses!
This card is an absolute joke. I expected little improvement over last gen, but this is just embarrassing
thats what they want you to think, to just kick the bucket and go with a 4090 which is their more profitable one , at least rtx 30 series gave us an leap, no one that has it will buy these mid and low end cards (predicting the 4050 and 4060 will be trash) and in 2 years hopefully the 50 series give us an good leap (like the 4090 did) or amd and intel take this opportunity to seize some market instead of going along nvidia
RTX 4090 is actually the worst value proposition. It is crazy how wrong people can be.
What i learned from this video is that RX 6800 seems like a good card
Used price difference between RX 6800 and XT isn't much.
It is a good card
Always has been 😯🔫😁
@@jyrbm Where? I found a used RX 6800 for $410, the XTs were at least $70 more.
Truthfully the 12gb 6700xt doesn’t look bad next to the 4060ti either. But as someone above stated, you can get the 6800xt just over 400 used. The non xt for about 387.99, but for a few dollars more for an xt model, get the xt card.
Hopefully this kind of criticism might help push things towards 16gb minimum on all future gpu releases. keep up the good work.
"We're going to strongarm the industry into dealing with our inferior vram configurations" is one of the worst takes I've ever heard, holy shit. Nvidia truly are one of the most arrogant companies around.
Just when you think nvidia couldn't set the bar any lower, they managed it - good work team, absolutely at the bottom of the barrel.
Wait for the 4060 on the 107 die with cut-down L2 cache which in practice will be the xx50 OEM class card.
@@tomtomkowski7653 64 bit memory bus and 3.5 gigs vram....
sounds perfect for a decent 480p experience😂
The rumour mill suggests AMD's competing card will be even worse, and also 8GB. Guess we'll all be skipping this gen. Neither company covering themselves in glory.
@@k9wazere I’ll keep my 6700xt till it explodes.
This is great marketing for the 6700xt, 6700, 6750xt, and 6800. Rdna 2 is going to own the budget and mid range this generation.
Steve, I just wanted to say thanks for including the 6700xt and 6800 in your review. That other Steve neglected to put in the 6800 in his benchmarks. Shame.
I came here to see the review but ended up being impressed by my RX 6600 basically matching an RTX 2070! 😂 AMD driver updates really did a good job, damn. I'll only upgrade when I HAVE to
I was questioning my own decision of buying a RX 6800 (Asus TUF OC) for $450 in 2023, but seeing this results I think I think I did a good purchase!
No regrets
Very good purchase.
Same here bud. 2023 upgrade from RX 570 to 6700xt for £340.
I upgraded around january 2023, to a 6750xt, for 480$, but sadly the market in my region is shit, also would have liked a 6800 (xt) but it wasn‘t in stock, or hugely overpriced, and only got the 6750xt instead of the 6700xt, because of a better custom design, didn‘t want a cheap dual fan one…
But not the worst purchase, I guess 😅, at least it has 12GB Vram…
6750xt here. Glad I took the punt
Right now would be the perfect time for Intel to make a move with their arc gpus... hopefully
15:30 The 6700xt is 320$ at newegg and the 6800 is 480$ at newegg (first party prices in the USA)
30 seconds later....oh....guess I commented too soon. lol
RTX 4060TI = RTX 3067 Super Ti, a Frankenstein 8GB 128bit GPU that wins, ties or loses against the RTX 3070 and also wins, ties or loses against the RTX 3060Ti in some games or depending on the chosen resolution.
Seems like a great card for 480p gamers. Maybe 720p in some games
*if you use dlss
Have to bench it using DLSS3 in 1080p performance rofl It's so bad. I feel like it's 2016 again.
@@dianaalyssa8726 The 4070Ti also has perfomance problems.
I watched a video on Hogwarts Legacy comparing that card vs the 3080Ti from previous gen at 4K with DLSS, the 4070Ti got destroyed by the 3080Ti, both are 12GB cards, but the 3080Ti has a 384bit memory bus and the 4070Ti has a 192 bit bus.
I still don't understand why the 3080Ti was hated.
😅👍👍👍👍
Holy shit, with 6700xt going for cheaper than some 3060, 4060ti might as well be DOA.
6700XT is the card I'm most interested in, plus the cheapest I've found is just $320.
@@Rokabur I have one. It's all I really need for 1440p. Only plan to upgrade when I get 4k monitors.
@@Rokabur I just upgraded from a GTX 1060 (6gb) to an RX 6700 XT (12gb) for about £360, which was about £100 cheaper than the RTX 3060 ti in my daughters system. It's a great card and easily a match for the 3060 ti (and the 4060 ti if the benchmarks in this vid are right)
Its amazing how dramatic the cost per frame graph shifts once you factor in current pricing for cards like the 6700 XT, the 4060ti really should be a $250 card with its 8GB version and $300 with a 12-16GB spec. Fingers crossed pricing returns to normal at some point but I doubt it, NVIDIA and AMD seem intent to keep them as high as possibly which is a game AMD can't win as they just give up market share to Intel.
For me, of all the 4060ti reviews I've seen, I think yours nails it. Simple message, backed up by clear evidence. It's a definite leave on the shelf @ $400. More worryingly, Nvidia's relaunch of the 4080 12GB as the 4070ti, means this was originally intended to be a 4070. And therefore should its performance be compared 'generationally' to the 3070, not the 3060ti? In which case it's not even level pegging, it's just flat out less powerful.
since the "4060ti" is actually 50 class silizon, we could wait until it dips to around $250 - $280.
@@drunkhusband6257 considering that the rtx 3060ti is 2 years old and the 4060ti performance is within margin of error of it, that $250 - $280 would be the pricing in a sane market.
Nvidia cant expect to keep drastically increasing prices for marginal improvements AND keep the pricing high on generations old hardware.
Notice how its only in the GPU market where the above is the case lol
The GPU market is broken and Nvidia broke it.
Edit: Also, the RX 7600 launched at $270 MSRP and that has similar performance to the 4060ti and 3060ti.. making Nvidia pricing even more ridiculous.
@@drunkhusband6257 Not true. The 1080 ti launched at $600, now the 4090 is $1600+. That is significantly higher than when adjusted for inflation. Not to mention nvidia isn't even bothering to give more performance for the money anymore, this is literally a flatline in performance for the same price while it costs them less to produce.
@@drunkhusband6257 You could absolutely get 1080 tis for much less than that. And it's a flagship vs flagship like for like comparison.
@@drunkhusband6257 You're talking about scalper prices when supply sells out, that's a whole different situation.
Adding the 6750XT would have been nice since they share a price point.
also interesting, 6750xt, a good model.
6750xt = 6700 xt, are the same card
@@MrDvneil no lol
@@MrVicho13 yes it is the same, with just manual overcock, is the same card,
Holy crap, those Last of Us results were absolutely damning. Imagine getting a brand new $400 card and watching it get immediately dumpstered at 1440p 😑
It's clear as day that Nvidia is trying to sell 50-class silicon at 60-class prices - giving you less for more money. It's pure shrinkflation.
TLoU is a pretty bad port though, doesn't necessarily highlight the true problem which is more to do with bandwidth than it has to do with capacity.
That does mean I'm kind of curious how much better the 16gb version will do, but I'm not really holding my breath for it...
@@MLWJ1993 Fair, but the other 1440 results weren't exactly glowing - especially during the gameplay tests. Both Callisto and Plague Tale had moments where performance suddenly fell off a cliff.
@@WickedRibbon Which may or may not happen with the 16gb version because it still has a 128-bit memory bus.
For context, that's less memory bandwidth than a GTX 1060.
They could potentially improve upon this with more cache hits given it does have more L2 cache, but I heavily doubt it'll really happen.
It's just cut down too far to really be viable at this pricetag & that's not just due to the VRAM capacity.
More like 10 class silicon at 80 class prices. A dumpster is too good of a place for this gpu.
@@MLWJ1993 Ah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how much 16GB of VRAM will help mitigate the bandwidth issue. We know it helps the 3070 quite a bit, but that card has a 256-bit interface.
This Gen is ever growing proof that Nvidia can give you incredible value uplift and instead chooses to give the bare minimum or less.
I see this differently. This GPU can handle any game and offers DLSS 3. $350 would be the sweet spot for this GPU.
I guess Nvidia assumed we would still be in a massive GPU drought when they designed these cards. It would explain why they cut every possible corner and saved every penny. Hopefully AMD will take a decent bite out of the lower half of the market. Maybe even Intel if these cards are not refreshed any time soon.
I think you are dead on here. This whole stack, pricing, etc looks exactly like a pandemic pricing strategy, or rather i should say pandemic fleecing strategy
Oh Man, you know it's bad when people are already talking about a refresh on a card that hasn't released yet 😂
They seriously believe people are stupid, isn't it obvious?
>having faith in AMD
Lmao
@@paul-wt8rp >Buying Nvidia Lmao
I can't wait for these cards to sit on shelves and get quickly discounted.
Salivating thinking about the used market....as I only care about somewhat older games and that too at just 1080p/High/60.
Sadly they wont play like AMD. Maybe a small price drop, but they will cut back the manufacturing rather than discount it (just like the 4070 non-ti).
This card should easily be 250. Lol😂
The problem is even discounted they aren't worth it unless you are coming from a 10 or 20 series. If you already have a 30 series, pretty much nothing other than 4080 and above is a real upgrade.
These cards are trash in 2023 even for $200
I feel like all RTX 40-series cards are priced exactly twice what they would cost in a very competitive GPU market.
Unfortunately, even with 16 gb of vram its still stuck with the 128 bit bus. on a 400 dollar card they had to have known they were going to get destroyed. So weird to have massive margins but still be cutting down their memory configurations. The pascal generation they recommend switching from had 6gb on 192 bit for the gtx 1060 at half the price. So stagnant.
There was an 8GB r9 290x in 2014
The R9 390/X was pretty cheap in 2015..8GB VRAM too
in late 2019, you could get a 580/590 for around $200 as well.
@@Nemofishman I remember getting a RX 480 8GB (Exact same as rx 580) for £215 in 2016
When Nvidia had greediness set to the max.
This GPUs main issue is not the 8gb VRAM capacity, although I agree with everything you say, what’s really gimping this card is the measly 128-bit bus, making it way worst than the 3060ti, which has 256-bit bus and scale ls to higher resolutions better
They made these cards for GPU miners. But they all have left the chat...
Holy smokes the Ray Tracing results are abysmal! And those are games currently available - NV is really having fun with us it seems... Crazy - after 3060ti - I really thought this would be a worthy card.
Thanks for the benchmarks - good stuff.
Great review. Completely agree! We've stagnated on 8GB for way too long. Developers were bound to move on at some point. I mean the PS5 and Xbox have more vram than a 600$ 3070 Ti. 8GB shouldn't even be entry level anymore. We've had them for a decade. R9 390 came out in 2015... I thought we would have been well past the graphics we have today years ago. Just like Intel quad cores for a decade........ Complete stagnation...
Rx 480 8gb and Gtx 1070 8gb came out almost 7 years ago with the same sized memory.
It is embarrassing how Nvidia is limiting memory size as a method of planned obsolescence, while attempting to hold back the gaming industry at the same time.
Also the memory bus situation is terrible, the 1070 gets 256 GB/s while the 4060 Ti gets 288 GB/s. A whopping 13% increase after 7 years.
I don't agree with your point regarding 8GB VRAM. 8GB VRAM is more than enough for games which are properly optimised. PS3 had 256MB VRAM and Xbox 360 had 512MB of VRAM and lasted for 8 years.
GPU companies are trying to fool people to make them spend more money. If the PS5 had only 8GB of VRAM game companies would still be able to optimise the game well. Series S has 8GB which the console will probably go on for 5 more years.
@@TheRealMikeMichaels The games are optimized fine. The game engines can draw details on texture with higher fidelity and the GPU cores can render those assets now - without the GRAM the renders has to look to cache or bus and the result is 5FPS.
If your idea of optimization is less detail then just play with lowest textures. If I'm going to play with low textures I could get by with a $40 GTX 1030.
Putting a Ferrari Enzo on a country dirt road is nonsensical and mating this core to 8GB of VRAM is the same.
@@TheRealMikeMichaels Guessing you like to play in low details and for you 24:56 quality is amazing
don't you forget the r9 290x 8gb :D incidentally that one was a high-end card for 1440p gaming and could be had for around 400 bucks... -we evolved, just backwards-
it's a 4050.
It has 50 series generational performance
It has 50 series power consumption
It has 50 series silicon (actually it's SMALLER than 1650 and MUCH smaller than 3050)
It has 50 series memory bus (128 bit)
It has 50 series memory capacity (tier)
Nvidia consider us complete idiots.
Yeah at least the 4090 is truth those other 40 series are not truthful they all fakes expect 4090 and 4090 Ti
RTX 4070 Ti was named 4080 12gb they changed to 4070 Ti
RTX 4070 = 4060 Ti
RTX 4060 = 4050 the PCB is too small
Around $250 this would make sense for me upgrading my old ass GPU but at that price no fucking way.
Something everyone seem to have forgotten is that Nvidia wanted to call the 4070ta a 4080 and charge more $ for it. They where forced to call it the 4070ti and still charged too much for it. This means they wanted everything below it to be bumped up a naming tier and to charge more. For example Nividia had originally planed on calling this 4060ti the 4070 with a price of at least, but probably more than, $600 for a 8GB card, this was Nvidias original plan, to charge you more for similar or worse performance than last gen.
And they are still charging more for similar performance in laptops compared to last gen.
We need to boycott Nvidia
Exactly.
@@Pawcio2115 Done!
Ehhh I do doubt this was meant to be a 4070. The 4060ti is weaker than a 3070, and for all their faults I don't think NVidia would ever release a card that is worse than its last gen counterpart.
okay so what 4090 was meant to be? 405000?
I'm glad this is the message that is being sent out. It's still too bad there is no centralized effort to properly boycott these products so that Ngreedia can really get some sense especially with this economy.
Even that will not work, because the truth is that these big chip companies don't care about the consumer market at all now. They are in the business of selling thousands dollar GPUs for AI LLM models. Elon Musk bought 10,000 GPUs for example, for an AI project. While they will be trying to milk their customers selling them overly expensive and substandard GPUs with huge margins.
@@ilijavxx no I am optimistic it would work because even you're bringing up profits and these profits are not something insignificant to the health of this company. In this power struggle, the company would be forced to give in to consumer demands or else they would lose it all.
A 1080p GPU for more than $250 is a ripoff!!!
At this day and age, we should be talking about 1440p GPUs for 250$!!!
It's a 4050 and I would not wipe my ass with it unless it was £169 - for 2023 I'd say that's a reasonable price. It's 2023....