I appreciate you Hassan, but I'm sorry that your take on homosexuality was very upsetting and offensive. People with different sexual orientations and relationships exist - both in Pakistan and in the world. And there are many Pakistanis that are... (it's not your job to decide whether they are Muslims, or 'good' Muslims). Yes this is a religious perspective of yours... but I don't watch the reviews to learn religion from you, especially when it is thrown around against people who are already unsafe and persecuted. I want to listen to drama reviews, not religious perspectives. If this continues, I will have to stop supporting/watching Something Haute. This would be a red line. Simple words: If you oppose homosexuality and it is against your beliefs, don't be homosexual. Don't use your platform to beat up on a minority, unsafe group of people, who may not follow your beliefs.
Also, if you see the religious endorsements in the comments below.... you can see what your platform is becoming. Your conversation was very unhelpful, uncomfortable, and upsetting.
@@mleo4993 It's their platform and you are here to listen to THEIR perspective, if you don't like them, you have the unsubscribe button, simply just don't watch it. Also, homosexuality is not part of any religion be it Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism etc. The platform, people and the country the content is being made is Muslim and they have all the rights to share their perspective keeping in mind the religious and cultural boundary. Stop dictating and moulding other to your perspective.
Without any disrespect to Aamna, thank you Hassan for standing up to Aamna, rather than standing with her. Live how you wish, but don’t expect people to treat it like the norm, and homosexuality is definitely NOT in the Pakistani culture. Child abuse has also risen in recent times, therefore by Aamna’s standards, that must also be part of our culture? Once again, thanks Hassan 👏🏽
Hats off to Hassan- he’s way smarter than he gets credit for - and sometimes Aamna is extremely biased and liberal - and doesn’t have nuance where Hassan does and I’m so glad he stands his ground! He’s very aware of his beliefs and our culture and doesn’t try to dilute his beliefs to fit western standards ❤
I am totally with Hassan on BARZAKH. The first episode was stunning indeed. The visual effects seemed beyond this world and the distinctively unique picturization fairly took my breath away. The 2nd episode seemed eerie and creepy, befuddled my brain and also offended my sense of propriety with its sexual innuations. ( NO Amna. Homos are neither accepted religiously nor culturally still in Pakistan). Most regrettably, l won't watch this drama anymore.
Dear Aamna jee. Just because a series is exceptional, does not mean that every topic it touches can be justified. Homosexuality is neither part of our religion nor our culture. It must be common in many areas of Pakistan but it isn’t widely accepted at all. Anything that is part of a culture is accepted and adopted by the masses (doesn’t make it right or wrong). In this case both religion and culture rejects homosexuality. I totally agree with hasan here. If this information had some relevance to the story, then it would have made sense. But just to show it as a romantic track made many uncomfortable. There is no ifs and buts when it comes to religious beliefs.There is no such thing as moderately religious or extremely religious. A person is either practicing Muslim or a non practicing one. We can’t just accept and reject religion on the basis of what suits us. You can’t say ‘I am okay with this track even if they are romanticising’ because then your stance on taking a stand against dramas that are romanticising toxic hero’s and abusive husbands won’t be taken seriously. All wrongs need to be condemned in an equal fashion and not on the basis of what suits our own sensibilities.
Absolutely correct…she can’t just say I’m ok with it when no Muslim who believes in Allah and the Last Day should be ok with it. May Allah guide the ummah…very sad to see such content being created by Muslims acted by Muslims and praised by Muslims..☹️
@@Khaatayjaao oh my god. HOMOSEXUALITY is indeed a part of our culture and people (masses) have actually started to accept it and I’m not taking about lower middle class or middle class people cuz some of them dont even know what gay means but at the same time being somebody from a liberal arts university and who has been seeing this culture of queer people openly accepting themselves in PAKISTAN shows us that the masses slowly and gradually are accepting it so it means that our culture is diversifying. I myself have seen my friends parents openly accepting their queer children and doing everything in their power to give them the respect they deserve. I agree with the fact that our religion doesnt allow that but our religion also doesnt allow women to even show a single hair of their head to non mehrams right? Let alone talk to them so please don’t bring religion into these matters. Everybody has a different bond with Allah and sab ne apni kabar me jana hai. Who are we to judge? Who are we to say this is right and this is wrong. Islam me tou jhoot bolna bhi mana kiya gya hai but dont we lie? So keep religion apart from fictional content.
I'm middle class coffee person and didn't mind a nescafe till the boycott and now I've tried a Pakistani brand. I disagree with Aamna, alcohol consumption has become an acceptable sin but neither is it part of our culture nor religion. Similarly, homosexuality can be okay with people but neither is it part of our culture nor religion. It is not okay to relegate a sin as a sin and try to incorporate in culture. It's fine if we are okay with preferences. Now, take the analogy that murder is part of our culture just because we have a certain crime rate. Its not right, simple!
Homosexuality is NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE! Thank you Hassan for standing your ground. Just because some Pakistanis indulge in this doesn’t mean it’s the culture of ALL Pakistanis.
100% agree!! i can’t believe amna said it “homosexuality is a characteristic and it’s fine” it’s a silent promotion of something that is unacceptable at so many levels!!!
Highly agree with hassan..being gay wasn’t compulsory part of the plot..it just has to be lgbtq for a content being international..very much disappointed with Amna,s views about lgbtq being part of our culture..IT IS NOT!!!
What does part of culture mean? Can you say that having green eyes is not a part of our culture or that having curly hair is not a part of our culture ? How is something that is natural cannot be part of a culture?
@@anya5893 culture is a part or way of Life!!! it does includes the believes, institutions and behavior!! There is always an acceptable part of any culture and unacceptable part of culture!! And homosexuality is not a part of Islamic culture ( Pakistan is an islamic state FYI) and the area they are touching is unacceptable part of culture!! Normalizing it and glorifying is unacceptable
@@anya5893Because its not a celebratory thing . Neither in religion nor in culture Period . There are unfortunately many many things that happens in our society like abuse violence and crime , but just because it happens doesnt mean its a culture. Its an unfortunate existence that we fight against and same goes for homosexuality. Its literally not even widely accepted in the so called "woke west". Anything "Forbidden" in religion is An absolute No, be that Alcohol consumption (which people do drink) , eating haram (not only pork but haram earning aswell) or "Hetrosexuality" outside of marriage or "Homosexuality".
59:30 there is a huge difference between being "part " Of culture and "exist" In culture, Amna. Homosexuality exist in our society but it's not our culture, we don't celebrate it and our religion has clear stance against it. Hats off to Hassan 👍
Amna, it is NOT part of our culture. Crime is a reality; it exists in our society, but crime is not a part of our “culture.” Culture is something which is acceptable by the masses in a society and not frowned upon by the majority of the society. I am amazed a seasoned journalist like you wouldn’t see the difference 🫤 Just because something is in abundance doesn’t necessarily make it part of a culture.
Strongly agree with Hassan on Barzakh. There was no need to inject Saifullah's sexual orientation, when he already has a baggage. Zabardasti ka track hai and I feel thats one big issue with Asim Abbas. He makes a point to bring this track in each story, zaroori ho na ho. Thank you Hassan for standing your ground. Homosexuality is NOT part of our culture. It just exists in our society. I would have liked Saifullah and Jafar reconnecting more, that he longed for so long. Instead showing him to find love interest. It was just not needed. And Amna you dont have to defend every LGBTQ track in every show.
And on top of that they named the gay character “SaifUllah” meaning Sword of Allah.😢 If it’s really a land of nowhere with no religion then why such a Muslim name?
Amna please not condemning something that’s prohibited doesn’t make you cool, Hassan is absolutely right here, it definitely exist but is not part of our values, culture, norms too, it’s not even part of Indian culture. They’re promoting it via different mediums but majority in India still see it as sin.
Please don't drag Indian culture into it. Queerness was an integral part of our religion and culture before the spread of Abrahamic religions and their putranical ideas.
@@egoiisticprince7977 First of all learn to speak full sentences. Next, the western standards bought this kind of shame against queerness and sex to India. The laws against homosexuality was bought in by the British. I know my culture, religion and history so maybe you can "go ask do some survey"
@@egoiisticprince7977 I am not well-versed in comprehending gibberish. From the way you write without knowing any facts, I highly doubt you'll ever write a research paper🤣🤣🤣
It is not necessary to show the stories of LGBTQ+ on our media in a way that audience starts empathizing with them. Can one romanticize the story of a rapist or a murderer? NO! Our media houses should take responsibility and lets keep it a topic not to be discussed publicly in positive light. For our Future Generations plz. Kudos to @hassan Ch for standing up for the right thing.
Do you really believe watching a TV show is enough to turn people gay? If yes then how come watching so many heterosexual shows won't counter that? Also where is all this outrage when women are treated like trash in your TV shows
No no guys you are doing wrong to Amna G she is telling us that these odd sexualities do exit even in our society even in our surroundings __ she is not declaring haram things halaal __ o bhai ap logon k Mullas in madarsaas or Pathan ( Bacha Bazi ) even with in adults these things or terms are exiting
Being an avid admirer of Amna , she 1000000% wrong . Homosexuality IS AND CANNOT BE EVER A PART OF OUR RELIGION OR CULTURE. No matter how many times Amna says . I believe her friend circle in the fashion community of Pakistan have way too many LGBTQ ppl and supporters which is why she feels its completely common and natural. But unfortunately its the worst thing to happen. This is not what our religion has taught us . This is something west is implying on us .
It is the worst thing to happen? Really you can't think of anything worse that's happening in the world right now? There are people being killed for no reason man! You think homosexuality is the worst thing😂😂. Also people don't need to have friends belonging to LGBT community to want to treat fellow humans with empathy and dignity. It makes her a good human who knows to keep her nose out of people's bedroom and that she has no right to pass judgment on her fellow humans
Now Pakistani content is also promoting LGBT agenda, very disappointing. I don't think there is a need of it, and romanticizing it is totally unbearable.
This is probably the first episode of SH in which I agree with every single word what Hassan said. I respectfully disagree with Aamna. Specially, Hassan is absolutely right about choice of coffee and sexual orientation of saifullah.
Music, dance, dating, hook ups, skin showing and many other things are not part of our religion and culture. The best kind of stories are the ones which are different that the usual happening. I'm against homosexuality for sure but they are fictional characters, they can rape a dead body and marry a guy. Also if this comes in promotion, understand that we need to change this sugarcoating things for Pakistani audience, they should know their boundaries and limits so that we grow in content and make grey characters, sometimes not show bad characters's treacherous endings!
First time I am agreeing with #HasanC for #SexualOrientation, there is no need of this... but #FawadNapa did it the best and potray in a real manner.. #Amna, I am the one who commented on #Barzakh episode 2 that, Shehrezad is the unborn child of Mehtab..
Hassan thankyou for standing your ground. Homosexuality is NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE. and this all is not that normalized anywhere as these series are trying to make it.
BARZAKH: I am simply sick of the idea why anything and everything made for international/OTT platforms must trigger religious values as well as display beliefs against our culture in the name of Pakistani content. Honestly, not vey happy with such representation of our content because really NO, that is not what we take ownership of! Why can't we sell the true essence of our society, i don't think it is going to be any less entertaining.
The rich guy in HD prefers Nescafé, nothing wrong with it. I know a lot of rich people who don’t prefer coffee so they are good with Nescafé. I’m so glad Hassan was there to debunk Aamnas theory.
just clicked the video and i was scrolling through the comment and haven't even watched the barzakh review but i strongly agree with hassan about homosexulity its not our culture its not our religion period
I have a lot to say about Barzakh so here I Go: First: Asim Abbasi is a freakin genius for always bringing simple stories with twisted details and you can see his efforts in each n every frame. He deserves recognition and huge respect for telling stories he believes in without being afraid of ratings and views. And as Momin Ali Munshi said Barzakh is like an abstract art! If you don’t like it people will judge you lol It’s a visually stunning show with so much attention to details that you can’t blink. Everything living or dead has a story to tell. Even though I watch each episode twice to understand most of it. And then I wait for your review for deeper understanding but I just love this whole process ❤ Agreed with Hassan! I wish MFK wasn’t shown to be gay! Not needed and will never accept it to be ok just coz western world is going crazy with the concept we don’t need our shows to have such characters. 😢
OMG Hassan the way you popped Amna's bubble about rich people coffee was epic 🤣🤣 It’s like you just threw a reality check grenade into her upper-class tea party. Anda paratha and halwa puri forever, right? 😂 Amna Jani really needs to step out of her designer bubble and join the real world! 🤣🤣
'Barzakh' is just terrible and unrelatable. I dont know why Amna always defends projects done by her favorite artists; she is so biased, sorry to say. On the other hand, 'Hum Dono' is a light-hearted play that at least feels like an authentic Pakistani production. And yes, Homosexuality is not a part of our society.
I have a question for you hassan and amna , when you know that a certain channel's dramas ( geo tv )exceed 50 to 60 eopisodes then why you guys review it in the first place like shiddat and behad and even jaan nisar . Then you say they are dragging them .Geo has left no distinction between prime time dramas and soaps and i think you should talk about it . They are ruining the uniqueness of pakistani dramas. Hum and ary are still way better specifically hum tv.
I believe they have clarified this before dramas that garner millions of views makes it obligatory for the critics to review it. I do not think the number of episodes are the problem but terrible storytelling! dramas like shiddhat have no depth and they drag on but people are watching hence the reviewers cannot overlook it without checking it out at least
Hassannn!!!! Thankyou, Thankyou for standing tall on the point of Homosexuality! It was not so casual to just write it off out of respect for Amna what you usually do. This topic needs to be countered and should not be a part of our culture at any cost. THANKYOU!
I totally agree with Hasan on homosexuality topic. It’s not our culture and there was no need of showing it. Edit: Just got to the end of the interview. Aamna did correct herself for saying that it’s part of our culture. Really appreciated
Fahad Mustafa's character in "Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum" comes across as quite annoying and disturbing. It’s frustrating to see an adult male who neglects basic cleanliness, such as keeping the restroom floor dry, maintaining a clean room, and using headphones while Hania is sleeping. Should it really be Hania's responsibility to teach him these basic manners? While the dynamic between Hania and Fahad may appear charming on-screen, it highlights real-life issues. Women need to make thoughtful decisions before marriage, rather than adhering to societal pressures like "log kya kahain gy" and "meri izzat rakh lo."
Additionally, I apologize as the discussion lacked a critical perspective on these aspects. It is important to address these concerns thoughtfully and to challenge the portrayal of such behaviors as merely endearing.
I'm thrilled to have finally found a show that's stolen my heart - 'Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum'! The wedding night scene where the groom asks his bride "ab karna kya hai?"😂😂 had me in stitches! The dynamic between Sharjeena and Mustafa is absolute perfection - their banter, chemistry, and contrasting personalities make for an incredibly entertaining watch❤. Sharjeena's bossy attitude and Mustafa's quirky nature have me hooked, and I love how their relationship unfolds. Hania and Fahad's performances are top-notch, and Hania's bridal look in the white and golden lehenga is truly breathtaking - I've rewatched that scene multiple times and can't wait to recreate it at one of my own wedding functions next year! Poor Mustafa is indeed henpecked by Sharjeena, who exudes a bossy wife vibe, but we love him for it!😂
Barzakh: I visited Hunza in 2019 with my family, so watching those huge mountains, beautiful valleys ,rivers ,forts and stars really brought back those good memories,but it's look like Asim abbasi only cash Fawad and Sanam names just to promote LG*TQ thing more in a sympathetic way which is totally against our Muslim norms though it's a no where lands but every character is showing Muslim by Thier names and that's why barzakh is promotions are on such huge scale which others Zee 5 Pakistani web series didn't
When in our dramas things like Dowry, forced marriages, domestic abuse, maritial rape and several other things that sadly part of our Culture are shown we call that out. Or at least that’s we expect from sensible people to do. And now something that IS NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE NOR RELIGION is being romanticised we will not accept it.
When u name a drama “barzakh” google the meaning! In Arabic it’s “A barrier between paradise and hell”. It’s established immediately that they took something what is in Islam. Although it’s international project . But showing romance between 2 men is not acceptable at all, even if the character is not mentally stable and have guilt , it wasn’t necessary that they show he has crush on some guy! People could have feelings but still if you portray on screen some how you are showing to international audience that we Pakistani “Islamic state” are ok with concept, we are not normalizing that at all!
I was forced to comment after hearing homosexuality is part of our culture. Don’t know from where this idea came from. NO ITS NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE OR RELIGION. Existence of something doesn’t make it a part of culture. It’s more of a choice that people make. It’s a sexual preference, nothing more than that.
Was incorporating a gay theme and quite explicitly so, a Zee requirement or an attempt by Asim Abbasi to make this issue more palatable? Is this series mainly meant for the Indian audience who are given a regular quotient of homosexuality and obscenity in their entertainment; and was this not for the Pakistani viewer, or atleast the masses? Barzakh is an absolute visual delight, so aesthetically done. The exquisite background, the silences, the performances and the unique story keep you glued. I just wish the gay thread wasn't included atleast not so blatantly along with the very intimate scenes like the one right at the beginning of the 1st episode. As for Aamna: If she feels a kabhie mein kabhie tum disappoints with its very regressive plot, and rightly so, why is there no rebuke of the above unnecessarily controversial themes and scenes in Barzakh. Yes high time we move away from claustrophobic drawing rooms and hackneyed plots, but does it really have to come at the cost of our values?
So true. The counterarguments to any criticism of the homosexuality or adultery in our dramas are usually the same that the Pakistani public only like dramas in the style of Saas Bahu and they are regressive another one is that they enjoy watching women suffer, etc., and so on. My point is that since the majority of Pakistanis are orthodox Muslims and homosexuality is considered the biggest sin in Islam, so you know they would never accept this normalisation of homosexuality. Then why do they always make an effort to show LGBTQ+ tracks? Anyone here wants to claim, "Oh, this drama was created for the Indian platform and don't watch it of you don't like it and all that so my answer is if its made on indian platform and for their don't include anything related to Pakistan, including our actor, locations, and crew." Then we will never criticise it, I guarantee. However, if it incorporates anything from Pakistan, then we will have the full right to criticise it.
This is really true. Whenever you oppose homosexuality and adultery, you are labelled as someone who only watches Saas Bahu-type serials or who tolerates domestic violence on tv. This is the only counter argument they have, and before anyone who comes here and says, "Oh, this drama is made for an Indian platform or audience." Ok, so if it's intended for an Indian platform or their audience, then don't feature anything from Pakistan, including our actors, crew, and our locations. And also don't promote this show in pakistan as well. I swear we will never say anything negative about it, but if it incorporates anything from our nation, then we have all the rights to condemn it, criticise it, like it, dislike it, or talk about it. And also why nobody is talking about those scenes where child saifullah was watching a naked man taking a bath or that scene where childrens were listening to those moans. All of these scenes literally made me so uncomfortable. They were absolutely unnecessary.
I am not watching anymore Pakistani dramas made for foreign platforms if they only want to include taboo topics just for the sake of it. There is no point of representation on any platform if it doesn’t actually represent us. I don’t care if they are making for Netflix or zee tv. If content doesn’t represent us no need to support it. There is enough crap everywhere to watch if we have to watch same thing from our creators.
Props to Aamna for retracting her statement about the gay thing being a part of our culture. She admitted it, and I appreciate her for it. I agree with Hassan on that point. Showing that these characters exist in our society isn't wrong; they do. But to the point that you develop a love story, it's completely wrong and unnecessary.
Okay so Aamna ! I have a Keurig coffee maker I have Nespresso Vertuo Coffee Maker & Espresso machine. And .. I also like instant Nescafé coffee at times. It has less caffeine and also smells amazing. lol 😂 Hassan was right Class cannot be defined by what kind of coffee you make.
Barzakh: It could be seen in this episode that Mehtab was pregnant. Sherezade, probably is that unborn child whose spirit stayed in this world to unite her parents. She is definitely the link between the dead and living. The child also asked her, “ tum kon ho, kyon ho? What I didn’t understand was why only women spirits were enslaved in Mehtab Mehal?
Perhaps because it is shown that women who are forced to do things against their will were rescued by Mehtab and they stayed in Mehtab Mahal. In our society, women are usually forced to do things against their wills and hence only women spirits were rescued and stayed in Mehtab Mahal. But I might be wrong here.
Completely agree Hania and Fahad have immersed themselves as Sharjeena and Mustafa very well. Loving them in their roles. Very natural acting. Liking how their relationship is moving slowly forward. Loved these 2 episodes.
Highly agree with Hassan about Barzakh..being gay wasn’t compulsory part of the plot..it just has to be lgbtq for a content being international..very much disappointed with Amna,s views about lgbtq being part of our culture..IT IS NOT!!!
Hassan is absolutely right. While we highlighted this much for every other international project, there are many more things to emphasize. Amna, I like her, but most of the time, you cannot distinguish between personal preferences and what is not allowed as a Muslim. We have taken a significant oath to follow Allah's rules, leaving no room for personal likes or dislikes when there are clear instructions about homosexuality.
Farhat Ishtiaq and Bee Gull both have shocked and disappointed with their new dramas. I never expected both of them to write such typical and run of the mill stories. KMKT is just a time pass show and HD is very unbearable. Disappointed big time
Amna in Peshawar some Pathan community are so so rich that in Eid ul Azha they sacrifices 8 to 10 million cost animals and arrange the chef(degi) who cooks and feed the people and there houses are so so huge but if you saw them they wear normal shalwar kameez stitch by a tailor and there ladies doesn't know any luxury brand perhaps they allow to do luxury shopping but they doesn't care about that so Hassan is right 👍🏻
She wasn't talking abt rich Pathan people. She was talking abt how rich people of big cities (khi/lhr) are shown in our dramas in stereotypical standards
@@NayyeraKhan how bias you are Pathan, Sindhi, Punjabi or Balochi rich person exists every where so what is the difference between Karachi and Lahore rich People? Illogical statement Peshawar is also one of the big cities in Pakistan
@@fairymoon8299 i meant to say k jo stereotypes hamarae dramas me dikhaye jaty hain un ki baat ho rai hai. Hamare mostly dramas lhr ya khi me hi bnty hain that's why i mentioned these two names. Or pathano ko hamare dramas me hi stereotype kia jata hai
@@NayyeraKhan Pathan to dramas me violence hi krte nazar ate hn .. hm Peshawar me rhte hn yhn koi ghron me guns nai walls pr display hoti na hr koi le kr ghumta he khule aam just like in these dramas
Here's the analyzation of Barzakh's second episode: Symbolism: Pigeons are a sign of peace and dead pigeons mean peace is disturbed. Pink is for sure associated with the Barzakh & Souls/The Dead The mother coming in front of Sherry shows how she reminds him not to run from his parental duties unlike his father. From previous episode, the young meet up of Jafar & Mehtab symbolises Adam & Eve's meetup. Also to Heer Ranjha and how their seperation leads to Heer's death. Story: There could be a theory that Sanam first of all is a Shamaran, the master of all snakes in short. I don't know how it is related to the story but that snake pattern on his skin or that snake tattoo, also her big eyes. (She's not a soul for sure, she's something else, maybe a fairy or a shamaran but she's the connection of Barzakh & this World. Also Wali Baba's way of wearing that scarf signifies a Cobra if you look closely. Also cushions behind sanam have this two faces merged designing which signifies dual personality. The broken mirrors signifies bad omens. Sanam's most scenes are shot through mirror which is something to notice. The place is land of nowhere, is this place Barzakh? Although we know, people can use internet and network here through Sanam & that child yet this place could be Barzakh or maybe this is the beginning of the meetup, where souls are adapting Earth's enviroment and both world's are merging slowly. That painting of Pigeon being killed is given to Saif indicating towards his past. Mehtab was the first mountain lady followed by others, these are souls while the ones covered with red cloth are fairies mentioned in the series. Those red branches Sanam sees and that cloth is reminding her of what she is, her village, her origin which we'll know in the next epsiode. (Shamaran has this story of betrayal and regret where a man betrays the nature by killing the Shamaran). The last scene of two wives sharing food shows they both suffered the same thing and both have the same grief. So homosexuality is being promoted for sure and it is wrong but it's a fictional series, it's the maker's writing, you can't say no to that. Just because the episode was based on Saifullah, we had a lot of homosexuality spooks on our face. Even if it was romanticised, it was a perspective from the writer and we can have a different one yet we have to accept that those fictional characters are gay.
The snake eating it's own tail is the uroboros representing the unending cycle of life n death. Also if you've seen aamna's interview with Sanam n fawad - they've let slip some bits of info that gives the basic plot away. Sanam already said that she is playing fawad's sibling (also I think that she is the one arranging this supernatural wedding - I not sure Abt this), so she is most likely mehtab's daughter (they've already shown her pregnant, n the villagers probably sentenced her to death for it - which is probably why Jafar hates the locals). I feel like sanam's character is the one connecting the two worlds together - maybe she was born to a dying (or an already dead) mother.
Homosexuality isn’t romanticized here at all. Please watch it and understand that it’s shown as a struggle for the people who suffer these confusions about their sexuality. Saifullah has had never acted on his sexuality or desires, hence he lives a double life all together. It is his purgatory, he’s stuck there. Like Sherry is stuck between his grief and pain. Everyone here has their own limbo, own barzakh here.
Fantastic episode 2 of Barzakh 👏 👌 👍. I can see people bashing this drama who don't understand creative content. Pakistani dramas often reinforce traditional gender roles and patriarchal norms. Viewers who feel ashamed of bold scenes, homosexuality may have been conditioned to perceive women’s agency and autonomy as threatening. However, they may not question the portrayal of women or men as passive victims in abusive relationships. This conditioning contributes to the hypocrisy observed in the audience. It’s crucial to engage in open conversations about these issues, challenge harmful norms, and promote empathy and understanding towards all kinds of orientation. End of the day we all are human beings. You might not agree to someone's sexual orientation but that doesn't give you the liberty to bash or ridicule or outclass someone completely from the society.
I agree with Aamna that Barzakh should be reviewed one episode at a time. My husband who does not really watch Pakistani dramas with the exception of an odd Eid one that is bearable is watching this one with me. However, it is a complex story and your reviews really help break it down for us and think about things we may have missed. I even got him to watch your review (he hears me talk about the both of all the time) to help him get a better grasp as well. Living in North America, we watch your review and then proceed with the next episode!
💯 agree with Hassan about Barzakh... Amna we can't just ok with it as it's not right. hazrat Lut's Wife suffered punishment because she was Ok with it... So wrong will remain wrong
Barzakh: Okay so if homosexuality has somehow have become a part of our culture through a DRIVEN - AGENDA from the West, it doesn't mean that Our Entertainment maker's should now include homosexuality in Our (Pakistani) content viewed mostly by us (Muslims). Because Islam has clearly termed Homosexuality as a HARAM trait. So even though this has become a part of our society or so called culture at large it shouldn't be a part of our content because what's Haram in Islam is Haram and that shouldn't be a debate for us Muslims even. Religion is a more valid and a reliable source to carry out our lives rather than just following whatever filth is being or is part of our cultural. Even though the direction, production, videography and the storyline is very new and engaging, the track of Bhai Sahab is very disappointing to watch. And this is by no means a excuse what the Makers of Barzakh and some people are using that this project is made for foreign viewers, this doesn't justify it because this content is projection pakistani people and places and most importantly is the submition from Pakistan a nation who's constitution is completely based upon Quran and our content should depict such things.
Burzakh is promiting homosexuality. Its always happnung in west best now i fear for my children as its promoting in pakistan. Like they have made something incredible and evey one is praising it and watching it so they have added that "content" in it too. And i am totally against sanam, fawwad and other cast now after watching ot as they have bceome the part of it too. They have chosen our best actors to promote that kind of content slowly slowly. So from barzakh they will see whats the reaction of people and then for next time they qill make it more bold contnet like this and then people will bcome used to it. Toatlly agree with hassan. Your islamic values are very strong. Proud of your parents to give you such clear concepts.
Barzakh drama not a fan alot of scenes make me very uncomfortable and there is no need for this on Pakistani tv there's a lot of this stuff on Netflix and I'm sick of it on there as well.
Unfortunately Pakistani society has deeply ingrained cultural taboos related to sexuality and intimacy. Viewers may feel uncomfortable with bold scenes due to these taboos, yet they may not express the same level of discomfort when watching scenes of domestic violence aired at primetime slots on TV. This inconsistency reveals a lack of critical reflection on cultural norms. We've seen enumerable pakistani dramas depicting marital rape, husband raising hand on wife at a drop of a hat, toxic mother in law, domestic violence, women showcased as weak and downgraded citizens, abusive husbands, chaotic family's, misogynistic men but audience enjoy these depictions whole heartedly and give the channels highest TRP ratings. This is HYPOCRISY!
#Feedback I agree with Hassan that explicit content with Saifullah's character was unnecessary. The issue is not with portraying LGBTQ+ characters, but with consistently depicting them as victims who do no wrong. In this episode#2, they even romanticized the scenes between the two men during that cycling scene. And in the market scene, the blind person encouraged Saifullah to accept his reality and not be shy about it. We can't justify harmful actions like rape or theft simply because someone feels inclined to do so. Similarly, homosexuality should not be accepted as a justified behavior. While transgender or gay individuals do exist, the solution isn't societal acceptance, but rather identifying the underlying psychological issues and encouraging self-reflection and improvement. Just as individuals struggling with other morally wrong desires should resist them, those with homosexual attraction should also strive to overcome them, seeking help and support to align their actions with moral standards.
Characters' sexual orientation is shown in dramas all the time. It just happens to be the straight orientation so nobody bats an eyelid. Nobody asks why a character has to have an opposite sex love interest/spouse when it's not relevant to the plot. So not sure why Saifullah's sexual orientation also needs to have a reason to be shown. Maybe it plays a huge part in his character arc, maybe it doesn't, but in both cases it's part of his personality. Also I agree with Aamna that culture is ever evolving. You just have to read history to know that what was accepted in culture even 100 years ago is not what is accepted today. So, something not being part of culture is by no means a qualifier of whether it is right or wrong because culture itself is constantly changing. Now, yes, you can say that something is not part of religion and it's explicitly stated to be prohibited. Unless Barzakh is challenging that and saying LGBT is allowed in Islam, I don't see where the problem is.
No Barzakh is not challenging it , however , we forget this web series is made for zee5 , they are the producers . Don’t you think the producers would have asked to include this gay angle for international viewership . We fail to understand this is not for a Pakistani channel . We insisted that Barzakh be shown on u tube and zamana is showing it after receiving some royalty .
@@muniranoorani3996 I think you have it the other way round. Writers don't add taboo subjects to attract international viewership. Instead, it's more that sometimes it's only international platforms that will allow them to tell the stories they want to tell. The director's other work, Churails, was also on Zee because no Pakistani channel would have aired it.
@Aamna, I have a Nespresso machine, a drip coffee machine and a French press. But in our house, everyone prefers whipped instant coffee 😂. Since we are boycotting Nestle for Palestine, we are now using Costa Rican instant coffee 🤦
Fahad Mustafa and this degcha-utha-ke-ley aaya scene was no doubt hilarious yet so relatable. Relatable because we all know a guy who would do this. His comeback into dramas as this careless, messy, yet sensitive young man proves his versatility as an actor....
I am deeply concerned about the inclusion of gay characters in our stories. There is no justification for adding such characters in plays or dramas that depict anything considered haram in our religion. We know that such nations were punished by Allah, and no explanation can make this acceptable.
Such nations are punished by Allah? Almost all first world countries have legalized same sex marriages n those are the countries most Pakistani youth would immigrate to as soon as they get the chance. Better economy n better living conditions than any Muslim country so where is the punishment from Allah? Polygamy n multiple wives might be normal to Muslims but are frowned upon in most western countries.
@@shakiramaqbool5516 could you give me the actual verse in Quran where it is said that consensual relationship between same sex adults is prohibited? Chapter and verse please from the Quran. Not 'Hadees' because there is the Waza-e-Hadees fitna with some even contradicting each other. Give me the verse from Quran please. The only thing that I found was Surat al-Nur (Qur’an 24:31-24:33) specifically mentions “men who are not in need of women.” These “men who are not in need of women” might have been gay or asexual, but by definition they were not heterosexual men. They are not judged or condemned anywhere in the Qur’an. Please give me the actual verse where they are condemned.
Just saw 3rd ep of Barzakh & Aneeka (Mehtab) was absolutely right about Sanam, she said " Barzakh is yours Sanam ". Barzakh is a Masterclass in acting, direction, writing, cinematography & everything but Sanam is the ⭐ of the show.
I agree with Aamna on this one. As a society we don't want to see homosexuality, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have so much empathy for people who were born a certain way, they have their own relationship with God, but we judge them harshly and force them into marrying people they don't want to be with. It's a real thing in our society, and I know many, many people personally who have suffered at the hands of judgement and pretending.
@@fatimaaqeel4908 oh please stop with this nonsense. Even if someone has these sorts of feelings they should seek help rather than pretending to be a victim and saying oh this is a matter between me and God. It is completely forbidden in our religion and if you call yourself a Muslim then follow the rules of Islam, if you don't want to follow the rules the simly stop calling yourself a Muslim. Why become hypocrite? And also normalising it this way in our dramas is completely unacceptable
Aamna I also read those comments and was shocked how people are praising one Pakistani actor while putting the other one down. Yumna and Sajjal are both accomplished actors and as a Pakistani I’m so proud. I don’t now what’s wrong with fans. I had seen this kinda fan wars on an Indian forum which had a Pakistani serial section, Indian fans are brutal imo.
Aamna's depiction of the elite and middle class was spot on, especially since these nuances illustrate what the director is trying to convey. Hassan seemed very blunt, but I appreciate how maturely Aamna handled the criticism. I believe it could have been addressed more subtly.
Aamna was right ! If the story is revolving around class differences it should be evidence. Adnan s interiors were too good for low middle class and the Nauman was too casual to fill in the elite role
Barzakh is just beautiful. I actually do not believe everything needs to be explained completely, only interpreted. It’s a piece of art, in that way. Many movies world over adopt that form of storytelling which is abstract and inexplicable but enjoyable for the same. And it’s also important to have patience for such stories; let them unfurl at their own pace.
I think it's great that Barzakh is encouraging a healthy discussion. Leaving aside personal opinions on orientation, it is a director/storyteller's interpretation as well as prerogative how they depict an imaginary place which no one ( i.e. among the living) has witnessed. That's the beauty of art, it's subjective and everyone's opinions are valid. But what storytelling! It almost transports me to a magical place like Narnia. And that is high praise!! :P In other news, how adorable were the scenes between Fawad Khan and his kid when they're joking, fighting & making up as they appear to navigate the grief of losing a spouse &/ a mother. That kid's sense of humour is a bit "off" :D and his jokes cracked me up since episode 1. He as well as the other kids are shown to be quite empathetic and wise beyond their years.
About Barzakh, totally agree with Amna. also there isn't anything that has been glorified or romanticised. Even if it does, why should it matter, it is a mystic magical realism. People with homosexuality or any other queer traits spends years of burden and try to purge a sin they never have committed in the first place. Glad makers are bold enough to show it. I am enjoying it. Spell bound honestly!
Barzakh: homosexuality is part of our society but not part of our culture… sometimes I wish I could interrupt you to and remind you both of the obvious 😂 Also Hassan , I understand that homosexuality and the display of it makes you feel uncomfortable, I used to feel the same way. However, it is part of our society and humanity at large, so coming from a humanistic approach, maybe you could open yourself up to respecting people’s sexual orientation, and see such scenes and narrative as just what it is instead of judging it, instead appreciate the beauty in what you may consider a flaw/sin. You don’t have to take it personally and feel offended/uncomfortable by it. And just remember, many of us strive to become better and better Muslims, which ultimately means becoming a better human, but one cannot be a Muslim without being a sinner either. God loved those who sing and repent, who forgive and don’t judge 🙏🏼 hope this gives you some perspective. The artist lady is painting significant moments of people’s lives when they had made a big decision on the outlook of their lives. I love Barzakh and every single moment of the first 2 episodes. Dude I so felt like I wanted to be part of this Barzakh conversation, there’s a plant that’s been mentioned in the Quran even, that is the ultimate medicine and you’re able to see the unseens. Especially in Hunza area, there is a Shaman culture and they do smoke certain plants to be able to communicate with the fairies. There are documentaries on TH-cam about it as well. There’s a reason why you feel the trance and high in Hunza The genre is magical realism people, do you not know what the means, it’s all synchronized symbolism. There are people who live in this frequency.
#Hassan, you won our hearts with your point about homosexuality.. there was no need to show a gay in this show, which is based on a fantasy. We all know it's not possible to know what will happen to a person who dies! There are so many things that are against our religion and culture, but romanticising homosexuality is the worst part of this show!
Lately Amina is behaving like a rebellious child who wants to push his parents boundaries. 😊 I agree that there are different perspectives of everything and its good that way. The problem occurs when we (anyone of us) don't appreciate the difference and stick to only what we believe . BUT in respect of our lives or in content making one always should follow boundaries and what better boundary we can have other than religion....... Peace
I think Aamna is a very sorted mature individual who treats all humans with empathy regardless of who they want to sleep with. When we stop judging people and focus on our own faith and roots we all end up improving ourselves. Then we don't feel the need to add "peace" at the end of a passive aggressive and condescending comment. PS: atleast have the decency to spell her name right before treating her like a child
Though I didn't meant any disrespect to Amna and it was genuinely a comment/tease which u do to ur sisters but after reflecting i guess I should have not commented on anyone not even for my real sister. It was not my position so, apologies Amna AND I stand firm on my 2nd point For the rest: peace ✌ 😊
KMKT: I’m so annoyed with the drama tbh. The family knew at least a day before that Mustafa and Sharjeena were getting married - but no one had the decency to clean his room. Or even put a single bouquet of flowers. Like not even attempting to make her feel welcome. And the Shaadi dinner - like there is no place for the mom or Khala to sit. It feels so weird that the guys and daughters are sitting and eating, but no one even asks them to sit. Aisa kaun karta hai! I think it was ok for the dad to try for a job - that feels normal.
I agree 100% with HC when it comes to Barzakh and that coffee discussion.Homosexuality is not part of our culture and we shouldn’t promote it in our dramas,dont normalize it!Thanx Hassan for mentioning it!
I'm very much agree with Hassan homeosexuality is not a part of religion and culture....but ab forcefully banaya ja raha hai it's so disgusting...please condemned it.
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Aamnas rich are the sophisticated rich and Hassans description fit the rich who are nouveau rich
I appreciate you Hassan, but I'm sorry that your take on homosexuality was very upsetting and offensive. People with different sexual orientations and relationships exist - both in Pakistan and in the world. And there are many Pakistanis that are... (it's not your job to decide whether they are Muslims, or 'good' Muslims). Yes this is a religious perspective of yours... but I don't watch the reviews to learn religion from you, especially when it is thrown around against people who are already unsafe and persecuted. I want to listen to drama reviews, not religious perspectives. If this continues, I will have to stop supporting/watching Something Haute. This would be a red line.
Simple words: If you oppose homosexuality and it is against your beliefs, don't be homosexual. Don't use your platform to beat up on a minority, unsafe group of people, who may not follow your beliefs.
Also, if you see the religious endorsements in the comments below.... you can see what your platform is becoming. Your conversation was very unhelpful, uncomfortable, and upsetting.
@@mleo4993 It's their platform and you are here to listen to THEIR perspective, if you don't like them, you have the unsubscribe button, simply just don't watch it.
Also, homosexuality is not part of any religion be it Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism etc. The platform, people and the country the content is being made is Muslim and they have all the rights to share their perspective keeping in mind the religious and cultural boundary.
Stop dictating and moulding other to your perspective.
Without any disrespect to Aamna, thank you Hassan for standing up to Aamna, rather than standing with her. Live how you wish, but don’t expect people to treat it like the norm, and homosexuality is definitely NOT in the Pakistani culture. Child abuse has also risen in recent times, therefore by Aamna’s standards, that must also be part of our culture? Once again, thanks Hassan 👏🏽
Hats off to you Hassan.
Talking about gay phenomenon openly and showing your feelings about it.
Thanks to be open and honest about it.
Hats off to Hassan- he’s way smarter than he gets credit for - and sometimes Aamna is extremely biased and liberal - and doesn’t have nuance where Hassan does and I’m so glad he stands his ground! He’s very aware of his beliefs and our culture and doesn’t try to dilute his beliefs to fit western standards ❤
I am totally with Hassan on BARZAKH.
The first episode was stunning indeed. The visual effects seemed beyond this world and the distinctively unique picturization fairly took my breath away.
The 2nd episode seemed eerie and creepy, befuddled my brain and also offended my sense of propriety with its sexual innuations. ( NO Amna. Homos are neither accepted religiously nor culturally still in Pakistan).
Most regrettably, l won't watch this drama anymore.
Me too I am not gonna watch this drama , art doesn’t mean you create absolute nonsense
Dear Aamna jee. Just because a series is exceptional, does not mean that every topic it touches can be justified. Homosexuality is neither part of our religion nor our culture. It must be common in many areas of Pakistan but it isn’t widely accepted at all. Anything that is part of a culture is accepted and adopted by the masses (doesn’t make it right or wrong). In this case both religion and culture rejects homosexuality.
I totally agree with hasan here. If this information had some relevance to the story, then it would have made sense. But just to show it as a romantic track made many uncomfortable. There is no ifs and buts when it comes to religious beliefs.There is no such thing as moderately religious or extremely religious. A person is either practicing Muslim or a non practicing one. We can’t just accept and reject religion on the basis of what suits us.
You can’t say ‘I am okay with this track even if they are romanticising’ because then your stance on taking a stand against dramas that are romanticising toxic hero’s and abusive husbands won’t be taken seriously.
All wrongs need to be condemned in an equal fashion and not on the basis of what suits our own sensibilities.
correctly said
Absolutely correct…she can’t just say I’m ok with it when no Muslim who believes in Allah and the Last Day should be ok with it. May Allah guide the ummah…very sad to see such content being created by Muslims acted by Muslims and praised by Muslims..☹️
Rightly said
@@Khaatayjaao oh my god. HOMOSEXUALITY is indeed a part of our culture and people (masses) have actually started to accept it and I’m not taking about lower middle class or middle class people cuz some of them dont even know what gay means but at the same time being somebody from a liberal arts university and who has been seeing this culture of queer people openly accepting themselves in PAKISTAN shows us that the masses slowly and gradually are accepting it so it means that our culture is diversifying. I myself have seen my friends parents openly accepting their queer children and doing everything in their power to give them the respect they deserve. I agree with the fact that our religion doesnt allow that but our religion also doesnt allow women to even show a single hair of their head to non mehrams right? Let alone talk to them so please don’t bring religion into these matters. Everybody has a different bond with Allah and sab ne apni kabar me jana hai. Who are we to judge? Who are we to say this is right and this is wrong. Islam me tou jhoot bolna bhi mana kiya gya hai but dont we lie? So keep religion apart from fictional content.
@@ecstaticent. you’re talking about a certain class, not the masses.
I'm middle class coffee person and didn't mind a nescafe till the boycott and now I've tried a Pakistani brand.
I disagree with Aamna, alcohol consumption has become an acceptable sin but neither is it part of our culture nor religion. Similarly, homosexuality can be okay with people but neither is it part of our culture nor religion. It is not okay to relegate a sin as a sin and try to incorporate in culture. It's fine if we are okay with preferences. Now, take the analogy that murder is part of our culture just because we have a certain crime rate. Its not right, simple!
Very very well said. I hope it make sense to her as well.
You summed it up beautifully in the last line.
100% agree with Hassan . There wasn’t any need to show homosexuality . Such a good drama only that part is very disappointing !
True. This part wasn't needed.
Because of that track I don't want to watch barzakh
Barzakh: totally in hasan’s boat … word by word
Barzakh: Amnaaa pleaseee!! Homosexualilty is not part of our culture.
And hassan's review of barzakh was ON POINT.
Agreed
I absolutely agree with hassan for Barzakh. I was expecting second episode to be more explanatory or less complicated.
Homosexuality is NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE! Thank you Hassan for standing your ground. Just because some Pakistanis indulge in this doesn’t mean it’s the culture of ALL Pakistanis.
100% agree!! i can’t believe amna said it “homosexuality is a characteristic and it’s fine” it’s a silent promotion of something that is unacceptable at so many levels!!!
Highly agree with hassan..being gay wasn’t compulsory part of the plot..it just has to be lgbtq for a content being international..very much disappointed with Amna,s views about lgbtq being part of our culture..IT IS NOT!!!
What does part of culture mean? Can you say that having green eyes is not a part of our culture or that having curly hair is not a part of our culture ? How is something that is natural cannot be part of a culture?
@@anya5893 culture is a part or way of Life!!! it does includes the believes, institutions and behavior!! There is always an acceptable part of any culture and unacceptable part of culture!! And homosexuality is not a part of Islamic culture ( Pakistan is an islamic state FYI) and the area they are touching is unacceptable part of culture!! Normalizing it and glorifying is unacceptable
@@anya5893Because its not a celebratory thing . Neither in religion nor in culture Period . There are unfortunately many many things that happens in our society like abuse violence and crime , but just because it happens doesnt mean its a culture. Its an unfortunate existence that we fight against and same goes for homosexuality. Its literally not even widely accepted in the so called "woke west". Anything "Forbidden" in religion is An absolute No, be that Alcohol consumption (which people do drink) , eating haram (not only pork but haram earning aswell) or "Hetrosexuality" outside of marriage or "Homosexuality".
59:30 there is a huge difference between being "part " Of culture and "exist" In culture, Amna. Homosexuality exist in our society but it's not our culture, we don't celebrate it and our religion has clear stance against it. Hats off to Hassan 👍
Literally just here for Hassan's review on Barzakh.
same for hasan’s views atp
Amna, it is NOT part of our culture. Crime is a reality; it exists in our society, but crime is not a part of our “culture.”
Culture is something which is acceptable by the masses in a society and not frowned upon by the majority of the society. I am amazed a seasoned journalist like you wouldn’t see the difference 🫤
Just because something is in abundance doesn’t necessarily make it part of a culture.
Strongly agree with Hassan on Barzakh. There was no need to inject Saifullah's sexual orientation, when he already has a baggage. Zabardasti ka track hai and I feel thats one big issue with Asim Abbas. He makes a point to bring this track in each story, zaroori ho na ho. Thank you Hassan for standing your ground. Homosexuality is NOT part of our culture. It just exists in our society.
I would have liked Saifullah and Jafar reconnecting more, that he longed for so long. Instead showing him to find love interest. It was just not needed.
And Amna you dont have to defend every LGBTQ track in every show.
And on top of that they named the gay character “SaifUllah” meaning Sword of Allah.😢 If it’s really a land of nowhere with no religion then why such a Muslim name?
Hasan's take on barzakh is 100%right in every aspect as i took.
Amna please not condemning something that’s prohibited doesn’t make you cool, Hassan is absolutely right here, it definitely exist but is not part of our values, culture, norms too, it’s not even part of Indian culture. They’re promoting it via different mediums but majority in India still see it as sin.
Please don't drag Indian culture into it. Queerness was an integral part of our religion and culture before the spread of Abrahamic religions and their putranical ideas.
@@egoiisticprince7977 First of all learn to speak full sentences. Next, the western standards bought this kind of shame against queerness and sex to India. The laws against homosexuality was bought in by the British. I know my culture, religion and history so maybe you can "go ask do some survey"
@@egoiisticprince7977 I am not well-versed in comprehending gibberish. From the way you write without knowing any facts, I highly doubt you'll ever write a research paper🤣🤣🤣
@@egoiisticprince7977 Person who can't even string a sentence together talking about IQ😂😂😂
It is not necessary to show the stories of LGBTQ+ on our media in a way that audience starts empathizing with them. Can one romanticize the story of a rapist or a murderer? NO! Our media houses should take responsibility and lets keep it a topic not to be discussed publicly in positive light. For our Future Generations plz. Kudos to @hassan Ch for standing up for the right thing.
Do you really believe watching a TV show is enough to turn people gay? If yes then how come watching so many heterosexual shows won't counter that? Also where is all this outrage when women are treated like trash in your TV shows
Between Amna n Hassan … its pretty obvious that Amna’s thought process is liberal and less religious hence not surprised by her take on Barzakh
Absolutely, truly said
@@FarhaanBaig-pg1ou I don't want to get into a religious debate here but it was not just his opinion brother . It is part of his identity.
I agree with Hassan
@@FarhaanBaig-pg1ouSo so true
No no guys you are doing wrong to Amna G she is telling us that these odd sexualities do exit even in our society even in our surroundings __ she is not declaring haram things halaal __ o bhai ap logon k Mullas in madarsaas or Pathan ( Bacha Bazi ) even with in adults these things or terms are exiting
Being an avid admirer of Amna , she 1000000% wrong . Homosexuality IS AND CANNOT BE EVER A PART OF OUR RELIGION OR CULTURE. No matter how many times Amna says . I believe her friend circle in the fashion community of Pakistan have way too many LGBTQ ppl and supporters which is why she feels its completely common and natural. But unfortunately its the worst thing to happen. This is not what our religion has taught us . This is something west is implying on us .
It is the worst thing to happen? Really you can't think of anything worse that's happening in the world right now? There are people being killed for no reason man! You think homosexuality is the worst thing😂😂. Also people don't need to have friends belonging to LGBT community to want to treat fellow humans with empathy and dignity. It makes her a good human who knows to keep her nose out of people's bedroom and that she has no right to pass judgment on her fellow humans
You are right. These people have no knowledge of Islam
Now Pakistani content is also promoting LGBT agenda, very disappointing.
I don't think there is a need of it, and romanticizing it is totally unbearable.
This is probably the first episode of SH in which I agree with every single word what Hassan said. I respectfully disagree with Aamna.
Specially, Hassan is absolutely right about choice of coffee and sexual orientation of saifullah.
Same
I agree with Hassan because "Yes" homosexuality is not part of our religion and culture. I am very disappointed with Amna
Music, dance, dating, hook ups, skin showing and many other things are not part of our religion and culture. The best kind of stories are the ones which are different that the usual happening. I'm against homosexuality for sure but they are fictional characters, they can rape a dead body and marry a guy. Also if this comes in promotion, understand that we need to change this sugarcoating things for Pakistani audience, they should know their boundaries and limits so that we grow in content and make grey characters, sometimes not show bad characters's treacherous endings!
Absolutely homosexuality is not part of religion n culture 😢
I knew even before watching the review that Aamna would be ok with it😂, that’s why I had high hopes with Hassan’s take. He didn’t disappoint!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@nkhan8933 Exactly I mean how can someone be okay with it. It is something that can destroy societies and generations
Exactly , this really made me disinterested in Barzakh.
First time I am agreeing with #HasanC for #SexualOrientation, there is no need of this... but #FawadNapa did it the best and potray in a real manner..
#Amna, I am the one who commented on #Barzakh episode 2 that, Shehrezad is the unborn child of Mehtab..
Hassan thankyou for standing your ground. Homosexuality is NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE. and this all is not that normalized anywhere as these series are trying to make it.
1000% agreed with hassan. Allah bless you hassan that you stand with islamic values and culture
Hasan is right the scene in barzakh was romantically showen which should not be acceptable they are trying to normalize
@@minosaeed todays episode of Barzakh was 😡astaghfirullah
BARZAKH: I am simply sick of the idea why anything and everything made for international/OTT platforms must trigger religious values as well as display beliefs against our culture in the name of Pakistani content. Honestly, not vey happy with such representation of our content because really NO, that is not what we take ownership of! Why can't we sell the true essence of our society, i don't think it is going to be any less entertaining.
@@abeerahhilal5844 exactly, you can be liberal and still stay true to your values.
Your society also includes gay/closeted individuals as much as you want to deny it
Well done Hassan!! on standing your ground on homosexuality.
The rich guy in HD prefers Nescafé, nothing wrong with it.
I know a lot of rich people who don’t prefer coffee so they are good with Nescafé. I’m so glad Hassan was there to debunk Aamnas theory.
47:00 welldone hassan for saying this on behalf of many of us 🙃
Standing ovation for Hassan. This was long overdue.
No super rich person would drink Nescafe Classic.
@@Gkwrites789 some ppl preferr it bcz its less caffeinated
I 💯 % agree with Hassan homosexuality is not party of our culture… thank you Hassan for standing on your ground for it.. more respect for you..
just clicked the video and i was scrolling through the comment and haven't even watched the barzakh review but i strongly agree with hassan about homosexulity its not our culture its not our religion period
I have a lot to say about Barzakh so here I Go:
First: Asim Abbasi is a freakin genius for always bringing simple stories with twisted details and you can see his efforts in each n every frame. He deserves recognition and huge respect for telling stories he believes in without being afraid of ratings and views.
And as Momin Ali Munshi said Barzakh is like an abstract art! If you don’t like it people will judge you lol
It’s a visually stunning show with so much attention to details that you can’t blink. Everything living or dead has a story to tell. Even though I watch each episode twice to understand most of it. And then I wait for your review for deeper understanding but I just love this whole process ❤
Agreed with Hassan! I wish MFK wasn’t shown to be gay! Not needed and will never accept it to be ok just coz western world is going crazy with the concept we don’t need our shows to have such characters. 😢
OMG Hassan the way you popped Amna's bubble about rich people coffee was epic 🤣🤣 It’s like you just threw a reality check grenade into her upper-class tea party. Anda paratha and halwa puri forever, right? 😂 Amna Jani really needs to step out of her designer bubble and join the real world! 🤣🤣
@@saimapasha1502 it’s like Aamna trying to prove kay Ammeero say mera bara ghera taluq hai…😂 not all rich folks are coffee drinkers.
What’s the time stamp
@@misskhan5895 it’s during the hum dono review.
@@nkhan8933😂😂
uff tauba finally someone says this Anna’s comments r way too much now
"HOMOSEXUALITY is neither in the culture nor in the religion ............
'Barzakh' is just terrible and unrelatable. I dont know why Amna always defends projects done by her favorite artists; she is so biased, sorry to say. On the other hand, 'Hum Dono' is a light-hearted play that at least feels like an authentic Pakistani production. And yes, Homosexuality is not a part of our society.
I have a question for you hassan and amna , when you know that a certain channel's dramas ( geo tv )exceed 50 to 60 eopisodes then why you guys review it in the first place like shiddat and behad and even jaan nisar . Then you say they are dragging them .Geo has left no distinction between prime time dramas and soaps and i think you should talk about it . They are ruining the uniqueness of pakistani dramas. Hum and ary are still way better specifically hum tv.
I believe they have clarified this before dramas that garner millions of views makes it obligatory for the critics to review it. I do not think the number of episodes are the problem but terrible storytelling! dramas like shiddhat have no depth and they drag on but people are watching hence the reviewers cannot overlook it without checking it out at least
Yes hum and green best hain.hum on airing jafaa, zpkb and humdono amazing
Absolutely
Have you seen the rating of Jaan niser?
Not all drama are good of hum
Hassannn!!!! Thankyou, Thankyou for standing tall on the point of Homosexuality!
It was not so casual to just write it off out of respect for Amna what you usually do. This topic needs to be countered and should not be a part of our culture at any cost. THANKYOU!
I totally agree with Hasan on homosexuality topic. It’s not our culture and there was no need of showing it.
Edit: Just got to the end of the interview. Aamna did correct herself for saying that it’s part of our culture. Really appreciated
Fahad Mustafa's character in "Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum" comes across as quite annoying and disturbing. It’s frustrating to see an adult male who neglects basic cleanliness, such as keeping the restroom floor dry, maintaining a clean room, and using headphones while Hania is sleeping. Should it really be Hania's responsibility to teach him these basic manners? While the dynamic between Hania and Fahad may appear charming on-screen, it highlights real-life issues. Women need to make thoughtful decisions before marriage, rather than adhering to societal pressures like "log kya kahain gy" and "meri izzat rakh lo."
Additionally, I apologize as the discussion lacked a critical perspective on these aspects. It is important to address these concerns thoughtfully and to challenge the portrayal of such behaviors as merely endearing.
Insan aaisa hota hai bhai
I'm thrilled to have finally found a show that's stolen my heart - 'Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum'! The wedding night scene where the groom asks his bride "ab karna kya hai?"😂😂 had me in stitches! The dynamic between Sharjeena and Mustafa is absolute perfection - their banter, chemistry, and contrasting personalities make for an incredibly entertaining watch❤. Sharjeena's bossy attitude and Mustafa's quirky nature have me hooked, and I love how their relationship unfolds. Hania and Fahad's performances are top-notch, and Hania's bridal look in the white and golden lehenga is truly breathtaking - I've rewatched that scene multiple times and can't wait to recreate it at one of my own wedding functions next year! Poor Mustafa is indeed henpecked by Sharjeena, who exudes a bossy wife vibe, but we love him for it!😂
Hassan ate the part where he made aamna come back to reality 😂
Barzakh: I visited Hunza in 2019 with my family, so watching those huge mountains, beautiful valleys ,rivers ,forts and stars really brought back those good memories,but it's look like Asim abbasi only cash Fawad and Sanam names just to promote LG*TQ thing more in a sympathetic way which is totally against our Muslim norms though it's a no where lands but every character is showing Muslim by Thier names and that's why barzakh is promotions are on such huge scale which others Zee 5 Pakistani web series didn't
When in our dramas things like Dowry, forced marriages, domestic abuse, maritial rape and several other things that sadly part of our Culture are shown we call that out. Or at least that’s we expect from sensible people to do.
And now something that IS NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE NOR RELIGION is being romanticised we will not accept it.
When u name a drama “barzakh” google the meaning! In Arabic it’s “A barrier between paradise and hell”. It’s established immediately that they took something what is in Islam. Although it’s international project . But showing romance between 2 men is not acceptable at all, even if the character is not mentally stable and have guilt , it wasn’t necessary that they show he has crush on some guy! People could have feelings but still if you portray on screen some how you are showing to international audience that we Pakistani “Islamic state” are ok with concept, we are not normalizing that at all!
I was forced to comment after hearing homosexuality is part of our culture. Don’t know from where this idea came from. NO ITS NOT PART OF OUR CULTURE OR RELIGION. Existence of something doesn’t make it a part of culture. It’s more of a choice that people make. It’s a sexual preference, nothing more than that.
Was incorporating a gay theme and quite explicitly so, a Zee requirement or an attempt by Asim Abbasi to make this issue more palatable? Is this series mainly meant for the Indian audience who are given a regular quotient of homosexuality and obscenity in their entertainment; and was this not for the Pakistani viewer, or atleast the masses?
Barzakh is an absolute visual delight, so aesthetically done. The exquisite background, the silences, the performances and the unique story keep you glued. I just wish the gay thread wasn't included atleast not so blatantly along with the very intimate scenes like the one right at the beginning of the 1st episode.
As for Aamna: If she feels a kabhie mein kabhie tum disappoints with its very regressive plot, and rightly so, why is there no rebuke of the above unnecessarily controversial themes and scenes in Barzakh. Yes high time we move away from claustrophobic drawing rooms and hackneyed plots, but does it really have to come at the cost of our values?
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It is to make it more palatable! So far it has nothing to do with the story. He could have been a straight man with issues.
So true. The counterarguments to any criticism of the homosexuality or adultery in our dramas are usually the same that the Pakistani public only like dramas in the style of Saas Bahu and they are regressive another one is that they enjoy watching women suffer, etc., and so on. My point is that since the majority of Pakistanis are orthodox Muslims and homosexuality is considered the biggest sin in Islam, so you know they would never accept this normalisation of homosexuality. Then why do they always make an effort to show LGBTQ+ tracks? Anyone here wants to claim, "Oh, this drama was created for the Indian platform and don't watch it of you don't like it and all that so my answer is if its made on indian platform and for their don't include anything related to Pakistan, including our actor, locations, and crew." Then we will never criticise it, I guarantee. However, if it incorporates anything from Pakistan, then we will have the full right to criticise it.
This is really true. Whenever you oppose homosexuality and adultery, you are labelled as someone who only watches Saas Bahu-type serials or who tolerates domestic violence on tv. This is the only counter argument they have, and before anyone who comes here and says, "Oh, this drama is made for an Indian platform or audience." Ok, so if it's intended for an Indian platform or their audience, then don't feature anything from Pakistan, including our actors, crew, and our locations. And also don't promote this show in pakistan as well. I swear we will never say anything negative about it, but if it incorporates anything from our nation, then we have all the rights to condemn it, criticise it, like it, dislike it, or talk about it. And also why nobody is talking about those scenes where child saifullah was watching a naked man taking a bath or that scene where childrens were listening to those moans. All of these scenes literally made me so uncomfortable. They were absolutely unnecessary.
@@samrahmumtaz9469it's problem of these Liberal s they r highly intolerant of😢 opinions nfd thought alien to them
I am not watching anymore Pakistani dramas made for foreign platforms if they only want to include taboo topics just for the sake of it. There is no point of representation on any platform if it doesn’t actually represent us. I don’t care if they are making for Netflix or zee tv. If content doesn’t represent us no need to support it. There is enough crap everywhere to watch if we have to watch same thing from our creators.
Correct it's just Foreign content
100% agreed
Props to Aamna for retracting her statement about the gay thing being a part of our culture. She admitted it, and I appreciate her for it. I agree with Hassan on that point. Showing that these characters exist in our society isn't wrong; they do. But to the point that you develop a love story, it's completely wrong and unnecessary.
Good for Aamna for retracting her statement, homosexuality is not part of our culture. It exists yes, but not culture.
She has probably heard mehrub moiz so much who has tried to bring this mindset for years that this is our culture …since his boy days..
I’m here just to hear Hassan’s take on Barzakh, I have high hopes. I hope he’s going to be the voice of reason.
Okay so Aamna !
I have a Keurig coffee maker
I have Nespresso Vertuo Coffee Maker & Espresso machine.
And .. I also like instant Nescafé coffee at times. It has less caffeine and also smells amazing.
lol 😂
Hassan was right
Class cannot be defined by what kind of coffee you make.
Barzakh: It could be seen in this episode that Mehtab was pregnant. Sherezade, probably is that unborn child whose spirit stayed in this world to unite her parents. She is definitely the link between the dead and living. The child also asked her, “ tum kon ho, kyon ho?
What I didn’t understand was why only women spirits were enslaved in Mehtab Mehal?
Perhaps because it is shown that women who are forced to do things against their will were rescued by Mehtab and they stayed in Mehtab Mahal. In our society, women are usually forced to do things against their wills and hence only women spirits were rescued and stayed in Mehtab Mahal. But I might be wrong here.
@@MaazBinAamirbut why do they have stones tied on their backs?
@@mahnoorqureshi3281 every spirit carries the baggage of actions they performed during their life.
@@MaazBinAamir Then the spirits of men should have been shown. Anyway things would get clearer in today's episode.
@@mahnoorqureshi3281 Oo my goodness!! I think you get it perfectly right.
Barzakh has so much going on, review it per episode otherwise things will get missed, please and thank you ❤
Completely agree Hania and Fahad have immersed themselves as Sharjeena and Mustafa very well. Loving them in their roles. Very natural acting.
Liking how their relationship is moving slowly forward.
Loved these 2 episodes.
Absolutely agree with Hassan! Amna needs to substantiate that being defensive and stubborn doesn't serve her any good.
Highly agree with Hassan about Barzakh..being gay wasn’t compulsory part of the plot..it just has to be lgbtq for a content being international..very much disappointed with Amna,s views about lgbtq being part of our culture..IT IS NOT!!!
Agreed! We as Pakistani viewers need to reject it otherwise it will keep happening. They make great content and add garbage in it to normalise it.
Hassan is absolutely right. While we highlighted this much for every other international project, there are many more things to emphasize.
Amna, I like her, but most of the time, you cannot distinguish between personal preferences and what is not allowed as a Muslim. We have taken a significant oath to follow Allah's rules, leaving no room for personal likes or dislikes when there are clear instructions about homosexuality.
Farhat Ishtiaq and Bee Gull both have shocked and disappointed with their new dramas. I never expected both of them to write such typical and run of the mill stories. KMKT is just a time pass show and HD is very unbearable. Disappointed big time
So true...very mediocre scripts and typical love themes
KRQ should be aded in the ist too
@@AthenaRamz Yes true
I so agree with Hassans take on rich people!
Amna in Peshawar some Pathan community are so so rich that in Eid ul Azha they sacrifices 8 to 10 million cost animals and arrange the chef(degi) who cooks and feed the people and there houses are so so huge but if you saw them they wear normal shalwar kameez stitch by a tailor and there ladies doesn't know any luxury brand perhaps they allow to do luxury shopping but they doesn't care about that so Hassan is right 👍🏻
👍As a pathan totally agree with you
She wasn't talking abt rich Pathan people. She was talking abt how rich people of big cities (khi/lhr) are shown in our dramas in stereotypical standards
@@NayyeraKhan how bias you are Pathan, Sindhi, Punjabi or Balochi rich person exists every where so what is the difference between Karachi and Lahore rich People? Illogical statement
Peshawar is also one of the big cities in Pakistan
@@fairymoon8299 i meant to say k jo stereotypes hamarae dramas me dikhaye jaty hain un ki baat ho rai hai. Hamare mostly dramas lhr ya khi me hi bnty hain that's why i mentioned these two names. Or pathano ko hamare dramas me hi stereotype kia jata hai
@@NayyeraKhan Pathan to dramas me violence hi krte nazar ate hn .. hm Peshawar me rhte hn yhn koi ghron me guns nai walls pr display hoti na hr koi le kr ghumta he khule aam just like in these dramas
Here's the analyzation of Barzakh's second episode:
Symbolism:
Pigeons are a sign of peace and dead pigeons mean peace is disturbed.
Pink is for sure associated with the Barzakh & Souls/The Dead
The mother coming in front of Sherry shows how she reminds him not to run from his parental duties unlike his father.
From previous episode, the young meet up of Jafar & Mehtab symbolises Adam & Eve's meetup. Also to Heer Ranjha and how their seperation leads to Heer's death.
Story:
There could be a theory that Sanam first of all is a Shamaran, the master of all snakes in short. I don't know how it is related to the story but that snake pattern on his skin or that snake tattoo, also her big eyes. (She's not a soul for sure, she's something else, maybe a fairy or a shamaran but she's the connection of Barzakh & this World. Also Wali Baba's way of wearing that scarf signifies a Cobra if you look closely. Also cushions behind sanam have this two faces merged designing which signifies dual personality.
The broken mirrors signifies bad omens. Sanam's most scenes are shot through mirror which is something to notice.
The place is land of nowhere, is this place Barzakh? Although we know, people can use internet and network here through Sanam & that child yet this place could be Barzakh or maybe this is the beginning of the meetup, where souls are adapting Earth's enviroment and both world's are merging slowly.
That painting of Pigeon being killed is given to Saif indicating towards his past.
Mehtab was the first mountain lady followed by others, these are souls while the ones covered with red cloth are fairies mentioned in the series. Those red branches Sanam sees and that cloth is reminding her of what she is, her village, her origin which we'll know in the next epsiode. (Shamaran has this story of betrayal and regret where a man betrays the nature by killing the Shamaran).
The last scene of two wives sharing food shows they both suffered the same thing and both have the same grief.
So homosexuality is being promoted for sure and it is wrong but it's a fictional series, it's the maker's writing, you can't say no to that. Just because the episode was based on Saifullah, we had a lot of homosexuality spooks on our face. Even if it was romanticised, it was a perspective from the writer and we can have a different one yet we have to accept that those fictional characters are gay.
Wow.. thank you so much for the detailed comment
Do analyse the remaining episodes of the show too
The snake eating it's own tail is the uroboros representing the unending cycle of life n death.
Also if you've seen aamna's interview with Sanam n fawad - they've let slip some bits of info that gives the basic plot away. Sanam already said that she is playing fawad's sibling (also I think that she is the one arranging this supernatural wedding - I not sure Abt this), so she is most likely mehtab's daughter (they've already shown her pregnant, n the villagers probably sentenced her to death for it - which is probably why Jafar hates the locals). I feel like sanam's character is the one connecting the two worlds together - maybe she was born to a dying (or an already dead) mother.
you copied the first few statements from that twitter user
Homosexuality isn’t romanticized here at all. Please watch it and understand that it’s shown as a struggle for the people who suffer these confusions about their sexuality. Saifullah has had never acted on his sexuality or desires, hence he lives a double life all together. It is his purgatory, he’s stuck there. Like Sherry is stuck between his grief and pain. Everyone here has their own limbo, own barzakh here.
@@eldoraaaaaa09 or maybe I'm intelligent enough to understand as I myself write these complicated stories. Also I don't use twitter :)
I totally agree with Hassan !! And I really appreciate the way you stood your ground about homosexuality!
Fantastic episode 2 of Barzakh 👏 👌 👍. I can see people bashing this drama who don't understand creative content.
Pakistani dramas often reinforce traditional gender roles and patriarchal norms. Viewers who feel ashamed of bold scenes, homosexuality may have been conditioned to perceive women’s agency and autonomy as threatening. However, they may not question the portrayal of women or men as passive victims in abusive relationships. This conditioning contributes to the hypocrisy observed in the audience.
It’s crucial to engage in open conversations about these issues, challenge harmful norms, and promote empathy and understanding towards all kinds of orientation. End of the day we all are human beings. You might not agree to someone's sexual orientation but that doesn't give you the liberty to bash or ridicule or outclass someone completely from the society.
100% agreed with Hassan for taking a stand homosexualty is not a part of our culture
One good thing about Barzakh is how the director used Pakistani music,Alamgirs dekha na tha was such a beautiful addition to the story.
KHKT: nothing new in the script but just like Noor Jehan, it’s fun to watch.
I agree with Aamna that Barzakh should be reviewed one episode at a time. My husband who does not really watch Pakistani dramas with the exception of an odd Eid one that is bearable is watching this one with me. However, it is a complex story and your reviews really help break it down for us and think about things we may have missed. I even got him to watch your review (he hears me talk about the both of all the time) to help him get a better grasp as well. Living in North America, we watch your review and then proceed with the next episode!
💯 agree with Hassan about Barzakh... Amna we can't just ok with it as it's not right. hazrat Lut's Wife suffered punishment because she was Ok with it... So wrong will remain wrong
Barzakh:
Okay so if homosexuality has somehow have become a part of our culture through a DRIVEN - AGENDA from the West, it doesn't mean that Our Entertainment maker's should now include homosexuality in Our (Pakistani) content viewed mostly by us (Muslims). Because Islam has clearly termed Homosexuality as a HARAM trait. So even though this has become a part of our society or so called culture at large it shouldn't be a part of our content because what's Haram in Islam is Haram and that shouldn't be a debate for us Muslims even.
Religion is a more valid and a reliable source to carry out our lives rather than just following whatever filth is being or is part of our cultural.
Even though the direction, production, videography and the storyline is very new and engaging, the track of Bhai Sahab is very disappointing to watch.
And this is by no means a excuse what the Makers of Barzakh and some people are using that this project is made for foreign viewers, this doesn't justify it because this content is projection pakistani people and places and most importantly is the submition from Pakistan a nation who's constitution is completely based upon Quran and our content should depict such things.
Totally agree with Hassan and thank you for being so clear about your viewpoints 😊 and stating them in such a clear manner.
Burzakh is promiting homosexuality. Its always happnung in west best now i fear for my children as its promoting in pakistan. Like they have made something incredible and evey one is praising it and watching it so they have added that "content" in it too. And i am totally against sanam, fawwad and other cast now after watching ot as they have bceome the part of it too. They have chosen our best actors to promote that kind of content slowly slowly. So from barzakh they will see whats the reaction of people and then for next time they qill make it more bold contnet like this and then people will bcome used to it.
Toatlly agree with hassan. Your islamic values are very strong. Proud of your parents to give you such clear concepts.
Barzakh drama not a fan alot of scenes make me very uncomfortable and there is no need for this on Pakistani tv there's a lot of this stuff on Netflix and I'm sick of it on there as well.
Unfortunately Pakistani society has deeply ingrained cultural taboos related to sexuality and intimacy.
Viewers may feel uncomfortable with bold scenes due to these taboos, yet they may not express the same level of discomfort when watching scenes of domestic violence aired at primetime slots on TV.
This inconsistency reveals a lack of critical reflection on cultural norms.
We've seen enumerable pakistani dramas depicting marital rape, husband raising hand on wife at a drop of a hat, toxic mother in law, domestic violence, women showcased as weak and downgraded citizens, abusive husbands, chaotic family's, misogynistic men but audience enjoy these depictions whole heartedly and give the channels highest TRP ratings. This is HYPOCRISY!
Thank you, Hassan, for saying it loud and clear that homosexuality is not part of our culture. Appreciate it!
#Feedback
I agree with Hassan that explicit content with Saifullah's character was unnecessary. The issue is not with portraying LGBTQ+ characters, but with consistently depicting them as victims who do no wrong. In this episode#2, they even romanticized the scenes between the two men during that cycling scene. And in the market scene, the blind person encouraged Saifullah to accept his reality and not be shy about it.
We can't justify harmful actions like rape or theft simply because someone feels inclined to do so. Similarly, homosexuality should not be accepted as a justified behavior. While transgender or gay individuals do exist, the solution isn't societal acceptance, but rather identifying the underlying psychological issues and encouraging self-reflection and improvement. Just as individuals struggling with other morally wrong desires should resist them, those with homosexual attraction should also strive to overcome them, seeking help and support to align their actions with moral standards.
Characters' sexual orientation is shown in dramas all the time. It just happens to be the straight orientation so nobody bats an eyelid. Nobody asks why a character has to have an opposite sex love interest/spouse when it's not relevant to the plot. So not sure why Saifullah's sexual orientation also needs to have a reason to be shown. Maybe it plays a huge part in his character arc, maybe it doesn't, but in both cases it's part of his personality.
Also I agree with Aamna that culture is ever evolving. You just have to read history to know that what was accepted in culture even 100 years ago is not what is accepted today. So, something not being part of culture is by no means a qualifier of whether it is right or wrong because culture itself is constantly changing.
Now, yes, you can say that something is not part of religion and it's explicitly stated to be prohibited. Unless Barzakh is challenging that and saying LGBT is allowed in Islam, I don't see where the problem is.
No Barzakh is not challenging it , however , we forget this web series is made for zee5 , they are the producers . Don’t you think the producers would have asked to include this gay angle for international viewership . We fail to understand this is not for a Pakistani channel . We insisted that Barzakh be shown on u tube and zamana is showing it after receiving some royalty .
@@muniranoorani3996 I think you have it the other way round. Writers don't add taboo subjects to attract international viewership. Instead, it's more that sometimes it's only international platforms that will allow them to tell the stories they want to tell. The director's other work, Churails, was also on Zee because no Pakistani channel would have aired it.
@Aamna, I have a Nespresso machine, a drip coffee machine and a French press. But in our house, everyone prefers whipped instant coffee 😂. Since we are boycotting Nestle for Palestine, we are now using Costa Rican instant coffee 🤦
Fahad Mustafa and this degcha-utha-ke-ley aaya scene was no doubt hilarious yet so relatable.
Relatable because we all know a guy who would do this.
His comeback into dramas as this careless, messy, yet sensitive young man proves his versatility as an actor....
I am deeply concerned about the inclusion of gay characters in our stories. There is no justification for adding such characters in plays or dramas that depict anything considered haram in our religion. We know that such nations were punished by Allah, and no explanation can make this acceptable.
Exactly , accepting it is denying the Quran.
Such nations are punished by Allah? Almost all first world countries have legalized same sex marriages n those are the countries most Pakistani youth would immigrate to as soon as they get the chance. Better economy n better living conditions than any Muslim country so where is the punishment from Allah? Polygamy n multiple wives might be normal to Muslims but are frowned upon in most western countries.
Sharjeena aur Mushtfa ki chemistry achhi hai lekin Zaffa me Sahar aur Usman ka couple add hai Sahar us actor se chaotic lgti hai
@@razlug22immigrating to some country and acquiring their values is different
@@shakiramaqbool5516 could you give me the actual verse in Quran where it is said that consensual relationship between same sex adults is prohibited? Chapter and verse please from the Quran. Not 'Hadees' because there is the Waza-e-Hadees fitna with some even contradicting each other. Give me the verse from Quran please. The only thing that I found was Surat al-Nur (Qur’an 24:31-24:33) specifically mentions “men who are not in need of women.” These “men who are not in need of women” might have been gay or asexual, but by definition they were not heterosexual men. They are not judged or condemned anywhere in the Qur’an. Please give me the actual verse where they are condemned.
Just saw 3rd ep of Barzakh & Aneeka (Mehtab) was absolutely right about Sanam, she said " Barzakh is yours Sanam ". Barzakh is a Masterclass in acting, direction, writing, cinematography & everything but Sanam is the ⭐ of the show.
Mustafa is a very lovable character... he's careless but he's respectable towards Sharjeena.
I agree with Aamna on this one. As a society we don't want to see homosexuality, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have so much empathy for people who were born a certain way, they have their own relationship with God, but we judge them harshly and force them into marrying people they don't want to be with. It's a real thing in our society, and I know many, many people personally who have suffered at the hands of judgement and pretending.
May Allah guide you to the right path
Agreed
@@misskhan5895 May Allah also guide you and grant you the gift of kindness and empathy for His Creations. Ameen 🙏
@@nayyer8350 @misskhan5895 May Allah also guide you and grant you the gift of kindness and empathy for His Creations. Ameen 🙏
@@fatimaaqeel4908 oh please stop with this nonsense. Even if someone has these sorts of feelings they should seek help rather than pretending to be a victim and saying oh this is a matter between me and God. It is completely forbidden in our religion and if you call yourself a Muslim then follow the rules of Islam, if you don't want to follow the rules the simly stop calling yourself a Muslim. Why become hypocrite? And also normalising it this way in our dramas is completely unacceptable
Aamna I also read those comments and was shocked how people are praising one Pakistani actor while putting the other one down. Yumna and Sajjal are both accomplished actors and as a Pakistani I’m so proud. I don’t now what’s wrong with fans.
I had seen this kinda fan wars on an Indian forum which had a Pakistani serial section, Indian fans are brutal imo.
Which Indian forum ????
@@PriyaRai-du2pu India forums
@@nkhan8933 this channel reviews Pakistani shows?? Sorry but the channel name is" India forum"??? What should I search to find the video??
@@PriyaRai-du2pu it’s not a video channel. You will have to google it. It’s not on TH-cam.
Juni: I’m so glad Mamo showed up to knock some sense in Minnah. Juni better not go back to HA, I haven’t forgiven her yet.😂
Aamna's depiction of the elite and middle class was spot on, especially since these nuances illustrate what the director is trying to convey. Hassan seemed very blunt, but I appreciate how maturely Aamna handled the criticism. I believe it could have been addressed more subtly.
I felt the same that hassan's reaction was a bit too much.
Aamna was right ! If the story is revolving around class differences it should be evidence. Adnan s interiors were too good for low middle class and the Nauman was too casual to fill in the elite role
Barzakh is just beautiful. I actually do not believe everything needs to be explained completely, only interpreted. It’s a piece of art, in that way. Many movies world over adopt that form of storytelling which is abstract and inexplicable but enjoyable for the same. And it’s also important to have patience for such stories; let them unfurl at their own pace.
I think it's great that Barzakh is encouraging a healthy discussion. Leaving aside personal opinions on orientation, it is a director/storyteller's interpretation as well as prerogative how they depict an imaginary place which no one ( i.e. among the living) has witnessed. That's the beauty of art, it's subjective and everyone's opinions are valid.
But what storytelling! It almost transports me to a magical place like Narnia. And that is high praise!! :P In other news, how adorable were the scenes between Fawad Khan and his kid when they're joking, fighting & making up as they appear to navigate the grief of losing a spouse &/ a mother. That kid's sense of humour is a bit "off" :D and his jokes cracked me up since episode 1. He as well as the other kids are shown to be quite empathetic and wise beyond their years.
100 percent agreee with hassan's view about saif ullah
About Barzakh, totally agree with Amna. also there isn't anything that has been glorified or romanticised. Even if it does, why should it matter, it is a mystic magical realism.
People with homosexuality or any other queer traits spends years of burden and try to purge a sin they never have committed in the first place. Glad makers are bold enough to show it.
I am enjoying it. Spell bound honestly!
Coffee Discussion 0:45:20
Barzakh: homosexuality is part of our society but not part of our culture… sometimes I wish I could interrupt you to and remind you both of the obvious 😂
Also Hassan , I understand that homosexuality and the display of it makes you feel uncomfortable, I used to feel the same way. However, it is part of our society and humanity at large, so coming from a humanistic approach, maybe you could open yourself up to respecting people’s sexual orientation, and see such scenes and narrative as just what it is instead of judging it, instead appreciate the beauty in what you may consider a flaw/sin. You don’t have to take it personally and feel offended/uncomfortable by it. And just remember, many of us strive to become better and better Muslims, which ultimately means becoming a better human, but one cannot be a Muslim without being a sinner either. God loved those who sing and repent, who forgive and don’t judge 🙏🏼 hope this gives you some perspective.
The artist lady is painting significant moments of people’s lives when they had made a big decision on the outlook of their lives.
I love Barzakh and every single moment of the first 2 episodes.
Dude I so felt like I wanted to be part of this Barzakh conversation, there’s a plant that’s been mentioned in the Quran even, that is the ultimate medicine and you’re able to see the unseens. Especially in Hunza area, there is a Shaman culture and they do smoke certain plants to be able to communicate with the fairies. There are documentaries on TH-cam about it as well. There’s a reason why you feel the trance and high in Hunza
The genre is magical realism people, do you not know what the means, it’s all synchronized symbolism. There are people who live in this frequency.
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#Hassan, you won our hearts with your point about homosexuality.. there was no need to show a gay in this show, which is based on a fantasy. We all know it's not possible to know what will happen to a person who dies! There are so many things that are against our religion and culture, but romanticising homosexuality is the worst part of this show!
Lately Amina is behaving like a rebellious child who wants to push his parents boundaries. 😊
I agree that there are different perspectives of everything and its good that way. The problem occurs when we (anyone of us) don't appreciate the difference and stick to only what we believe .
BUT in respect of our lives or in content making one always should follow boundaries and what better boundary we can have other than religion.......
Peace
I think Aamna is a very sorted mature individual who treats all humans with empathy regardless of who they want to sleep with. When we stop judging people and focus on our own faith and roots we all end up improving ourselves. Then we don't feel the need to add "peace" at the end of a passive aggressive and condescending comment. PS: atleast have the decency to spell her name right before treating her like a child
Though I didn't meant any disrespect to Amna and it was genuinely a comment/tease which u do to ur sisters but after reflecting i guess I should have not commented on anyone not even for my real sister. It was not my position so, apologies Amna
AND I stand firm on my 2nd point
For the rest: peace ✌ 😊
Well, Kados to Hassan for bluntly expressing his views on the whole homosexuality scene in Barzakh! These things should not be normalised.
KMKT: I’m so annoyed with the drama tbh. The family knew at least a day before that Mustafa and Sharjeena were getting married - but no one had the decency to clean his room. Or even put a single bouquet of flowers. Like not even attempting to make her feel welcome.
And the Shaadi dinner - like there is no place for the mom or Khala to sit. It feels so weird that the guys and daughters are sitting and eating, but no one even asks them to sit. Aisa kaun karta hai!
I think it was ok for the dad to try for a job - that feels normal.
I agree 100% with HC when it comes to Barzakh and that coffee discussion.Homosexuality is not part of our culture and we shouldn’t promote it in our dramas,dont normalize it!Thanx Hassan for mentioning it!
I'm very much agree with Hassan homeosexuality is not a part of religion and culture....but ab forcefully banaya ja raha hai it's so disgusting...please condemned it.