Maggie situation is very real, I’ve seen a nurse preform the same procedure during a crisis where there wasn’t any doctors... a stroke is much better then dying and I respect any nurse who’d do this to save a life
Same! Honestly some nurses have seen the procedures more than some doctors, and they know how to handle the situation, it's not like in med school they teach us anything else about it that nurses don't know, the only difference is that we are allowed to do it and practice, while nurses just watch, but in an emergency crisis you really value the time, so if the doctor is nowhere to be seen, then the nurse should definitely intervene and save the patient
I agree. If a 911 operator can tell somebody how to use a pen to open up the airways, I think a nurse is really qualified to do it. All they have to do is have it under there license that they’ve been trained to do it.
I mean I get it, that it was necessary and in this case it was for the best. And it is better to do something than nothing. But as an untrained person doing a procedure for the first time unsupervised... That is a tricky situation, a lot could have gone wrong and I understand that she had to be repremended in order to not incourage practices like that. It is a real tough spot...
@@carinamarinoiu3048 yes a lot COULD have gone wrong but what was the alternative, the patient sit their gasping for air waiting for a doctor that wouldn't come on time? she would have died regardless of what Maggie did, so i dont really see why the fact she suffered a stroke mattered, since the alternative was DEATH. But she also isn't allowed to preform the procedure so i see that side...
@michaelfawcett2816 No, it was Maggie who got arrested. I believe it was over a patient who was over the legal limit and he crashed into a house. When the officer wanted a blood test the patient refused to give the blood test, so Maggie let the patient through the officer said "get me a a blood alcohol test done or get arrested." Maggie refused and got arrested over it.
This seems like a lose-lose situation. You either risk your job or losing a life. An awful choice to make, but I'm glad Maggie stood her ground to save somebody.
She also risked the patients life by performing an intervention she wasn't trained to perform. Being an ER chrage nurse doesn't magically give you the knowledge nor the abilities to perform invasive treatments. (Greetings from another ER nurse)
@@okvulpine Do you work in health care? Cause endangering a patients life by doing things you're not allowed to do is the fastest way to get fired, your license withdrawn and possible prison time for homicide charges.
@@okvulpine Nice bias. Doesn't change the fact that Maggie isn't a certified doctor with medical knowledge/training. It's a story line for a tv series that doesn't have any relation to reality
Absence of the assigned doctor during a crisis and a head nurse acting up in place, and the doc has the balls to say the nurse isn't supposed to do that.
Why don't they just allow nurses to perform these procedures (and give them appropriate training to qualify them)? It seems like it would be a straightforward thing to learn and would benefit a lot of patients if more staff could carry it out
So, I texted my mom who is a former ER, current OR nurse in sweden, and according to her... If a nurse has significant experience and the operative procedure results in life being preserved, the nurse will face investigation, but not be suspended nor loose their license. If however the patient dies, regardless of if the operative procedure was the COD or if the procedure was done in too late of a stage, the nurse may be subject to suspension or losing their licence. So basically, emergency knows no law if it means a life can be saved. However, if permanent damage is sustained there is the possibility that the nurse will be charged with grievous bodily harm or medical malpractice.
I just did a first aid course and it's crazy how limiting it can be to not be the step above. I'm not allowed to pick a splinter out with tweezers because that would be considered surgery.
If the Dr hadn't done something like that to my family member and I lost them because the nurses weren't allowed to save the life of someone I loved. You'd better believe I'd sue the hospital and demand the Dr be fired or I'd go after the Dr for murder.
That is insane. Even paramedics are trained to intubate. It's completely irresponsible and idiotic not to have both doctors and nurses capable of something as life saving as intubation.
In many countries nurses are allowed and trained to do intubation when ordered by a doctor or if its nescessary. Sadly in the US because you can get sued for anything for millions of dollars they dont allow non doctors to do so. The Tracheotomy is very risky if you arent trained in it, because you can easily hit an artery.
@@TheKabukimann I like to point out that intubating and Tracheotomy are 2 different things (but related). Intubating is when the tube gets inserted through the nose or mouth while Tracheotomy (or as they say in the clip, "Cranking") is when a cut/slit is made through the trachea for the tube to be inserted into. Im pretty sure paramedics, docs AND nurses are trained in intubating but only docs are allowed do the tracheotomy (unless under VERY specific situations almost anybody could do it from my understanding BUT VERY SPECIFIC).
The scene in "ER" where a cleaning lady saved an important operation was legendary (...although this woman was actually a Czech surgeon who was not autorized to operate in the states....
Noah being sour...Like dude...WHEN YOU GET PAGED RUN MAN! grr. Anyway, if she has to I am sure she could go study medicine, graduate, become a doctor, get hired back as a nurse (because that is her preferred role), and treat patients in emergencies then.
Now just imagine how many more are jeopardized with Maggie off the floor, I get there's rules to follow but sometimes enforcing them is the worst of two evils especially considering Maggie knew what she was doing AND saved the patient's life in the process.
I will haunt the hospital if a nurse don't safe me because it is against the rules and I die. What is this kind of rules. Better let a patient Die then try to safe them?!?!?!
Well, the first thing is if someone has to go up to surgery they have people that take patients to the surgical area. I’ve never heard a doctor having to take the patient to the surgery area because the doctor can’t leave the floor if they’re assigned to the emergency room.
Fairly sure their are certain procedures that nurses can do if the situation deams it ie this sort of situation! (Obviously different levels in nursing as well like head nurse and so on). It’s not like open heart or open brain surgery!! Personally I would have responded to the doctor and told him I guess I should have let her die then as you was swanning of to another floor where you wasn’t needed!!
Ngl it is a little unfair I mean just because she is a nurse and cant do the procedure should she have just stood there and watch the patient die? Genuinely curious. Because that is some emergency and I am not sure what she is supposed to do if she cant do the procedure
The issue is, if you cut at the wrong spot, you could damage the trachea. Which would be a serious complication which could mean the patient wd need yo breath through a tube in her neck for life. I thought that would be the direction the story would go. The stroke would have happened anyway. She saved her life. If she permanently damaged the trache or larynx, that would be an issue of dispute.
i dont see the problem here. if she had done nothing the outcome wouldnt be better. she didnt do it instead of a doctor doing it. she did it instead of nothing being done. and the damage is from waiting too long anyway. so shes to blame for not waiting longer?
His an emergency doctor consulting an oncologist (or admitting doctor) for a plan. Emergency doctors initiate generalized treatment and stabilize patients before finding an admitting doctor to get a plan from. Good doctors ask questions
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Not to criticize But directory is correct. Yes the procedure had saved patient's life , but if it were to let by then anyone regardless how much proficient or experience he/she is will be allowed to do as much as he/she wants. Human life is precious beyond a price tag. Medical doctors are taught to do no harm first then to treat with the utmost care . I hope made my point .
Yes but it’s about if there is no Doctor available then someone should be allowed to do their best to save a life. There should be conditions that it’s allowed when necessary.
This thing doesn't make sense? Did the patient sue Maggie over it? It has to be very extreme case of negligence before a case will be considered as a crime no? Which in this case this is rather reasonable emergency
Seriously Shannon Goodwin you told Maggie to leave the hospital because she clank a patient april protect Maggie. Maggie did a good thing to save life she try your best nothing no thank you to save that girl what of hospital this rude people like Shannon Goodwin need to say sorry to Maggie. I hate Shannon Goodwin in the ending sense. Goodwin next time do something right in your life.
Maggie situation is very real, I’ve seen a nurse preform the same procedure during a crisis where there wasn’t any doctors... a stroke is much better then dying and I respect any nurse who’d do this to save a life
Did the nurse get suspended?
@@eliadore7003 since its real life and not a TV show i bet she got fired
Same! Honestly some nurses have seen the procedures more than some doctors, and they know how to handle the situation, it's not like in med school they teach us anything else about it that nurses don't know, the only difference is that we are allowed to do it and practice, while nurses just watch, but in an emergency crisis you really value the time, so if the doctor is nowhere to be seen, then the nurse should definitely intervene and save the patient
yup and it’s so stupid that a nurse isn’t allowed to do something when there aren’t any doctors time is money in these kinda situations
@@ryujinxyyeji nurses dont have to pay for the insurance that doctors have to
"noah, maggies been nursing even before you started shaving" hahah i cant🤣🤣🤣
r u 42 or suin g?
What minute are those
@@bearsandpandas2210 3:34
@@sylvie_brett7609 thx
I hate april tho
I feel like nurses should also be taught how to do these things in case of emergencies like this
Indeed
well yeah, nurses can be taught these things. in med school.
I agree. If a 911 operator can tell somebody how to use a pen to open up the airways, I think a nurse is really qualified to do it. All they have to do is have it under there license that they’ve been trained to do it.
april having maggies back is EVERYTHING :)
imma miss her sooo much :(
****SPOILER****
The patient's family doesn't want to sue because Maggie was saving the patient's life. Maggie gets her job reinstated
Same
This was season 3, med is on season 6 now
@@SkaterBlades i think he meant that april is going.
april is the only reason i dont watch the whole show
I love Maggie. She just does what need to be done to help people and will deal with the fall out when it comes.
I mean I get it, that it was necessary and in this case it was for the best. And it is better to do something than nothing. But as an untrained person doing a procedure for the first time unsupervised... That is a tricky situation, a lot could have gone wrong and I understand that she had to be repremended in order to not incourage practices like that. It is a real tough spot...
@@carinamarinoiu3048 yes a lot COULD have gone wrong but what was the alternative, the patient sit their gasping for air waiting for a doctor that wouldn't come on time? she would have died regardless of what Maggie did, so i dont really see why the fact she suffered a stroke mattered, since the alternative was DEATH.
But she also isn't allowed to preform the procedure so i see that side...
True, but the doctor is the one who studied for that the nurse didn't. They are two completely different jobs and there is a line between them.
Didn't she get arrested in one episode? Or was that someone else?
@michaelfawcett2816 No, it was Maggie who got arrested. I believe it was over a patient who was over the legal limit and he crashed into a house. When the officer wanted a blood test the patient refused to give the blood test, so Maggie let the patient through the officer said "get me a a blood alcohol test done or get arrested." Maggie refused and got arrested over it.
"I have no regret". This is a lovely statement from a lovely nurse like Maggie
This seems like a lose-lose situation. You either risk your job or losing a life. An awful choice to make, but I'm glad Maggie stood her ground to save somebody.
She also risked the patients life by performing an intervention she wasn't trained to perform.
Being an ER chrage nurse doesn't magically give you the knowledge nor the abilities to perform invasive treatments.
(Greetings from another ER nurse)
@@gore0802 the choices were death or possibly live and i know what id choose
@@okvulpine Do you work in health care?
Cause endangering a patients life by doing things you're not allowed to do is the fastest way to get fired, your license withdrawn and possible prison time for homicide charges.
@@gore0802 the patient was gonna die either way ? if i was the patient i would want the nurse to try to save my life if i’m going to die anyway 🐈
@@okvulpine
Nice bias. Doesn't change the fact that Maggie isn't a certified doctor with medical knowledge/training.
It's a story line for a tv series that doesn't have any relation to reality
So no one's gonna talk about the repeated scene?!?
I just saw that! Haha
I thought I’d accidentally skipped back lol
Ikr
@@ross6494 ikr
I was just about to comment but I wanted to see if anyone else notice
Has anyone noticed the part where Noah says "who criked" her has played twice?
I noticed
ye same
Yaaas
Yeah I dif
How would we not notice
Absence of the assigned doctor during a crisis and a head nurse acting up in place, and the doc has the balls to say the nurse isn't supposed to do that.
Why don't they just allow nurses to perform these procedures (and give them appropriate training to qualify them)? It seems like it would be a straightforward thing to learn and would benefit a lot of patients if more staff could carry it out
They just don’t wanna pay nurses more for having that kind of training
It’s sad but true
So, I texted my mom who is a former ER, current OR nurse in sweden, and according to her...
If a nurse has significant experience and the operative procedure results in life being preserved, the nurse will face investigation, but not be suspended nor loose their license. If however the patient dies, regardless of if the operative procedure was the COD or if the procedure was done in too late of a stage, the nurse may be subject to suspension or losing their licence.
So basically, emergency knows no law if it means a life can be saved. However, if permanent damage is sustained there is the possibility that the nurse will be charged with grievous bodily harm or medical malpractice.
I just did a first aid course and it's crazy how limiting it can be to not be the step above. I'm not allowed to pick a splinter out with tweezers because that would be considered surgery.
I hope my mother doen't go to jail for that. She is a repeat offender on splinter removal.
For guardians it's okay, so your mother is safe. But I can't go up to a random kid with tweezers.
Pick it out with something else then.
If you can't do it with fingers it still counts as surgery. If you need a tool, it counts.
@@oppsiedasi3039 Man Screw that...
If the Dr hadn't done something like that to my family member and I lost them because the nurses weren't allowed to save the life of someone I loved.
You'd better believe I'd sue the hospital and demand the Dr be fired or I'd go after the Dr for murder.
maggie 'tries to save woman' Doris 'um ok' Maggie "Give me the scalpel DoRiS!" doris *ok then i guess were doing that-*
I feel so bad for Dr. Goodwin, always having to be the bad one! She can't do anything about it...
goodwin isnt a doc but same
She ain't a doctor.
Goodwin is the director and chief but she used to be a nurse
Seen this for over a year and STILL think I accidentally skip back when the scene repeats xD
That is insane. Even paramedics are trained to intubate. It's completely irresponsible and idiotic not to have both doctors and nurses capable of something as life saving as intubation.
In many countries nurses are allowed and trained to do intubation when ordered by a doctor or if its nescessary. Sadly in the US because you can get sued for anything for millions of dollars they dont allow non doctors to do so. The Tracheotomy is very risky if you arent trained in it, because you can easily hit an artery.
@@TheKabukimann I like to point out that intubating and Tracheotomy are 2 different things (but related). Intubating is when the tube gets inserted through the nose or mouth while Tracheotomy (or as they say in the clip, "Cranking") is when a cut/slit is made through the trachea for the tube to be inserted into. Im pretty sure paramedics, docs AND nurses are trained in intubating but only docs are allowed do the tracheotomy (unless under VERY specific situations almost anybody could do it from my understanding BUT VERY SPECIFIC).
Small correction but only certain types of trained nurses can apparently.
Okay seriously I love Maggie..
isn't this exactly like when dr.Reese had to drill a hole in a dude's head?
kinda
But she's a dr
@@avasinha9187 she was a med student, not a doctor
@@junxianwu1874 She still has the authorization do something.
The scene in "ER" where a cleaning lady saved an important operation was legendary
(...although this woman was actually a Czech surgeon who was not autorized to operate in the states....
Noah being sour...Like dude...WHEN YOU GET PAGED RUN MAN! grr.
Anyway, if she has to I am sure she could go study medicine, graduate, become a doctor, get hired back as a nurse (because that is her preferred role), and treat patients in emergencies then.
Now just imagine how many more are jeopardized with Maggie off the floor, I get there's rules to follow but sometimes enforcing them is the worst of two evils especially considering Maggie knew what she was doing AND saved the patient's life in the process.
I will haunt the hospital if a nurse don't safe me because it is against the rules and I die. What is this kind of rules. Better let a patient Die then try to safe them?!?!?!
I like legit don't get it, the patient was DYING from oxygen starvation and the nurse was SUPPOSED TO JUST STAND BY AND LET THE PATIENT DIE??
Excellent skills nurse Maggie!
the way Noah said what when maggie told him😂
how many times do these nurses still not understand bro?
Do they not understand what lol
Are you implying she should of let them die?
@@Kookie_Crumb exactly, like wtf
So you’re saying it’s better for a girl to lose her life than Maggie to lose her license?
@@camillashimwa7671 i prefer dead over stroke tbh
I swear to god has no one yet realised that dr Charles and Maggie are always right? It’s like 🙄😒
If maggie suspended i will stop watch the show
This was season 3, med is in season 6 now
No you can’t do that to Maggie
Well, the first thing is if someone has to go up to surgery they have people that take patients to the surgical area. I’ve never heard a doctor having to take the patient to the surgery area because the doctor can’t leave the floor if they’re assigned to the emergency room.
was it just me or did a scene just relayed itself? haha
Fairly sure their are certain procedures that nurses can do if the situation deams it ie this sort of situation! (Obviously different levels in nursing as well like head nurse and so on).
It’s not like open heart or open brain surgery!!
Personally I would have responded to the doctor and told him I guess I should have let her die then as you was swanning of to another floor where you wasn’t needed!!
Maggie s so nice she’s trying to save her life when she is not Evan alowed 😮
The editing of this video is so choppy. The first clip is from the most recent episode of Med, and the next clip is repeated
Ngl it is a little unfair
I mean just because she is a nurse and cant do the procedure should she have just stood there and watch the patient die? Genuinely curious. Because that is some emergency and I am not sure what she is supposed to do if she cant do the procedure
Maggie is my favourite. Noah needs to back the hell off. She saved his patient
The issue is, if you cut at the wrong spot, you could damage the trachea. Which would be a serious complication which could mean the patient wd need yo breath through a tube in her neck for life.
I thought that would be the direction the story would go.
The stroke would have happened anyway. She saved her life.
If she permanently damaged the trache or larynx, that would be an issue of dispute.
Love these series
Can we all discuss the repeated scene
No not "suspended for saving a life" its suspended for doing surgery without a license or insurance 😂
Dr manning kidnapped a child, halstead went against a DNR and Maggie tried to save someone’s life and got suspended…. 😅
i dont see the problem here. if she had done nothing the outcome wouldnt be better. she didnt do it instead of a doctor doing it. she did it instead of nothing being done. and the damage is from waiting too long anyway. so shes to blame for not waiting longer?
Not in her scope of practice… don’t do it.
I love Maggie
Am I crazy or was there a repeated scene??
no ur not crazy there was lol
poor maggie😥
they played the same clip two times. haha
When the doctor tells them he has a big TUMOR. And the said what do we do
Me. YOUR THE DOCTOR YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT TO DO. LOL
His an emergency doctor consulting an oncologist (or admitting doctor) for a plan. Emergency doctors initiate generalized treatment and stabilize patients before finding an admitting doctor to get a plan from. Good doctors ask questions
I've never clicked so fast in my life
I 100% agree
i clicked faster than James Charles could say hey sisters
Way to Go Girl
*It's unfair on how things has turned ever since the outbreak of covid 19 things has been difficult and different from the usual times*
*we see complains here and there in the social Media from different people in different countries all around the world*
*Looks like the government care's less OR aren't making enough efforts anymore*
*I suggest we citizens should learn to be more creative, Believe in God and sort several means to earn a better living rather than hoping on the government or economy*
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@@davilawilliams1665 Exactly I'm also happy to start investing too than to have my money sleeping in bank
Stocks are good but we have to make the right plans
@@esthermark4623 Yes Stocks are good but they are alot of businesses more convenient than stocks
@@stevenreyes2005 That’s the fact well I only invested in stocks and will love to know a better investment to
Omg love the vids! Keep them up!
Bruh They repeated a clip
They need that pay bro 😂🤣
I love your videos and i just want to say thank you for save all the people in the world
You know this is a show right?
It’s not real but mk
Im a nurse, the number of babies I've saved...
GiVe Me ThE sCaLpEl DoRiS
I haye these effin laws. Because u gotta do whats right at the moment.
Also, the Rules are for the people and not the people for the Rules!
protocols are protocols
I've never clicked so faster than this
They repeated a scene lol
Omg I love you guys
never clicked so fast in my life..
Yes you have, shut up
MAGGIE NO
Not to criticize
But directory is correct. Yes the procedure had saved patient's life , but if it were to let by then anyone regardless how much proficient or experience he/she is will be allowed to do as much as he/she wants.
Human life is precious beyond a price tag. Medical doctors are taught to do no harm first then to treat with the utmost care .
I hope made my point .
Yes but it’s about if there is no Doctor available then someone should be allowed to do their best to save a life. There should be conditions that it’s allowed when necessary.
the amount of rules these nurses and doctors break looool
4:20-5:26 why was that scene repeated?
4:27 Wait she did it twice?!?!😂
You mite of accdently put the same clip in twice
Sad
Ambulance nurses intubate
Why can’t nurses in hospitals do it?
This thing doesn't make sense? Did the patient sue Maggie over it? It has to be very extreme case of negligence before a case will be considered as a crime no? Which in this case this is rather reasonable emergency
4:28
What in the Groundhog Day….? Didnt I just watched this scene on this video
Well that is fair enough but she did save a life for god sake
Maggie saved her
NOOOO
Seriously Shannon Goodwin you told Maggie to leave the hospital because she clank a patient april protect Maggie. Maggie did a good thing to save life she try your best nothing no thank you to save that girl what of hospital this rude people like Shannon Goodwin need to say sorry to Maggie. I hate Shannon Goodwin in the ending sense. Goodwin next time do something right in your life.
Anyone notice the edit mistake?
why was there a repeated scene
The only job you can get in to trouble for trying to help someone
Doris is kind of annoying character
There’s a repeated scene...
It’s repeated 2 times 3:19 and 4:26
omg yes a repeated scene whattttttttttttttttt
Um need to re do the video
I'm on season 4 of chicago Fire
VCD Vocal Cord Dysfunction?
R. I. T. A. L
Where DF were all the doctors?
Is maggie leaving the show
No, this is season 3, med is currently on season 6
double scene?
Where the hell was Noah? Maggie all the way!
You stuffed up the video no offence
tbh, i wont save the patient.
I‘m sorry but this is actually medically really wrong 😐
This has happened before in the ER. It’s very rare but it does happen
I think it repeted
who cracked her was p,aged twice
Hey guys😛