My Wife and I served a Mission at Adam ondi Ahman during 2019 - 2020. During that time we had some interactions with some of the many restoration branches. I was somewhat impressed withe the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Remnant. Hopefully you include something about them in a future podcast.
My Great Great Grandfather followed Brigham Young, testifying of Brigham taking on the persona of Joseph while speaking to the Saints. All of his siblings followed Emma and became members of the Reorganized LDS Church.
The story about Brigham taking on the persona of Joseph is a complete fallacy. With literally thousands of people in that meeting where Brigham spoke, none of them talked about any type of transformation. None of them went home and wrote about it in their journals. No one talked about it around town. The story didn’t surface until about 30 years later. Rest assured, God did not call Brigham Young to be Joseph’s successor. God called no one. The restored church fell into complete apostasy, yet again. It happened to Christ’s original church after his crucifixion, it happened to the church Christ established in the Americas, and it happened to the church that Joseph Smith restored. “They have all fallen away, every one of them“. Brigham Young was a dastardly individual, God would never choose him as a prophet. Many of those who followed him west to the Salt Lake Valley regretted it. Many left in the middle of the night just to get away. The things those poor people experienced was horrific. Brigham ruled with an iron fist. He was a complete tyrant, and not the amazing leader the LDS church leads people to believe.
@ sorry your uninformed opinion is at odds with scripture and reality. “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” And the transformation of Brigham is in several of my ancestors journals. Regarding Joseph and him teaching the principle of polygamy, Google and read, "Conspiracy of Nauvoo" and come to understand that William Law, his brother and many others plotted to murder Joseph Smith because Joseph would not repudiate the principle of polygamy. William Law was a member of Joseph's First Presidency.
@ Polygamy is and always has been an abomination to God. A man should never have more than one wife, and he should never have any concubines, ever. Thus saith the Lord.
@CarlF.Jensen I have been to LDS services many times and have read through the quad as well as digging through the deep folklore. I don't believe it would be a good fit for me besides I'm both gay and have a trans partner.
Great job! Highly interesting and looking forward to more. To all of you at Scripture Central I say THANK YOU. So much sensationalism out there. I appreciate you keeping inside the Good Ship Zion, where the prophets and presidents of the church are supported and beloved. -Allie’s mom in AZ 😊
Really like it in part of the church of the firstborn of fullness of time we trace our preshood to joseph smith as well and we are a big growing community as well
I believe the restoration is more about a "spiritual restoration!!!" I love the restoration of the Book of Mormon. Why did John the Babtist come? Why did Peter, James, and John come? Why did Ordinances and Ceremonies come anciently and in these last days? These are all “outward” manifestations of “spiritual” truths that we are to invest ourselves into [What manner of men ought ye to be? Even as I am]. After all we do temporally, how are we actually saved Celestially, Terrestrially or Telestially? Is it by faith, by works, or by grace alone? “Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all” (New Testament | Romans 4:16) “Therefore ye are justified of faith and works, through grace, [”grace” is to become in character as Father is, as Christ is, and this promise is] ]to all the seed; not to them only who are of the faith of Abraham who is the father of us all.” Inspired KJV Romans 4: 16. Joseph Smith was and is a true prophet! Those who followed after he was murdered by an inside secret combination are presidents only. Why? Because they failed the test of D&C 42: 18-24 to “cleave unto her and none else,” and “thou shalt not lie” or perpetuate a lie as the LDS Church is doing today with D&C 132! The Book of Mormon is totally against polygamy, in every way.
I’m relate directly to Joseph Smith 3 my book of life goes all the way to the Scottish temples. I’ve got a very neat story about 7 smith sisters and 8 Murray brothers in the excelsior springs/ independence Missouri
Polygamy caused both Joseph's death and the breakup of the Church after his death. When polygamy was publicly announced in 1852 the Church missionary effort collapsed and resulted in an 85% loss of convert baptisms for decades to come. 6000 good Saints also fled Utah. It would not surprise me if the Church was 10 times bigger right now if polygamy was not introduced in the Church.
My Wife and I served a Mission at Adam ondi Ahman during 2019 - 2020. During that time we had some interactions with some of the many restoration branches. I was somewhat impressed withe the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Remnant. Hopefully you include something about them in a future podcast.
My Great Great Grandfather followed Brigham Young, testifying of Brigham taking on the persona of Joseph while speaking to the Saints. All of his siblings followed Emma and became members of the Reorganized LDS Church.
The story about Brigham taking on the persona of Joseph is a complete fallacy. With literally thousands of people in that meeting where Brigham spoke, none of them talked about any type of transformation. None of them went home and wrote about it in their journals. No one talked about it around town. The story didn’t surface until about 30 years later. Rest assured, God did not call Brigham Young to be Joseph’s successor. God called no one. The restored church fell into complete apostasy, yet again. It happened to Christ’s original church after his crucifixion, it happened to the church Christ established in the Americas, and it happened to the church that Joseph Smith restored. “They have all fallen away, every one of them“.
Brigham Young was a dastardly individual, God would never choose him as a prophet.
Many of those who followed him west to the Salt Lake Valley regretted it. Many left in the middle of the night just to get away. The things those poor people experienced was horrific. Brigham ruled with an iron fist. He was a complete tyrant, and not the amazing leader the LDS church leads people to believe.
@ sorry your uninformed opinion is at odds with scripture and reality.
“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”
And the transformation of Brigham is in several of my ancestors journals.
Regarding Joseph and him teaching the principle of polygamy, Google and read, "Conspiracy of Nauvoo" and come to understand that William Law, his brother and many others plotted to murder Joseph Smith because Joseph would not repudiate the principle of polygamy. William Law was a member of Joseph's First Presidency.
@ Polygamy is and always has been an abomination to God. A man should never have more than one wife, and he should never have any concubines, ever. Thus saith the Lord.
My great great grandmother had the same experience.
You should do a history on all the fundamentalist churchs next! Great video, very informative
I'm actually a newly minted member of the community of Christ after doing a lot of research of my own.
Hopefully you will finally embrace the full LDS truth.
@CarlF.Jensen I have been to LDS services many times and have read through the quad as well as digging through the deep folklore. I don't believe it would be a good fit for me besides I'm both gay and have a trans partner.
Great podcast! A minor point, but it's Voree, not Vorhee.
Great job! Highly interesting and looking forward to more. To all of you at Scripture Central I say THANK YOU. So much sensationalism out there. I appreciate you keeping inside the Good Ship Zion, where the prophets and presidents of the church are supported and beloved.
-Allie’s mom in AZ 😊
Really like it in part of the church of the firstborn of fullness of time we trace our preshood to joseph smith as well and we are a big growing community as well
I believe the restoration is more about a "spiritual restoration!!!"
I love the restoration of the Book of Mormon. Why did John the Babtist come? Why did Peter, James, and John come? Why did Ordinances and Ceremonies come anciently and in these last days? These are all “outward” manifestations of “spiritual” truths that we are to invest ourselves into [What manner of men ought ye to be? Even as I am]. After all we do temporally, how are we actually saved Celestially, Terrestrially or Telestially? Is it by faith, by works, or by grace alone?
“Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all”
(New Testament | Romans 4:16)
“Therefore ye are justified of faith and works, through grace, [”grace” is to become in character as Father is, as Christ is, and this promise is] ]to all the seed; not to them only who are of the faith of Abraham who is the father of us all.” Inspired KJV Romans 4: 16.
Joseph Smith was and is a true prophet! Those who followed after he was murdered by an inside secret combination are presidents only. Why? Because they failed the test of D&C 42: 18-24 to “cleave unto her and none else,” and “thou shalt not lie” or perpetuate a lie as the LDS Church is doing today with D&C 132! The Book of Mormon is totally against polygamy, in every way.
Isnt that David Hyrum Smith on the thumbnail? Not sure if that's Joseph the Third.
Really good Info. Educational, interesting, and entertaining, thank you.
I’m relate directly to Joseph Smith 3 my book of life goes all the way to the Scottish temples. I’ve got a very neat story about 7 smith sisters and 8 Murray brothers in the excelsior springs/ independence Missouri
love this podcast!
I knew you would "forget" to go over the Witnesses of Strang's plates...lol
I was baptized into the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
Polygamy caused both Joseph's death and the breakup of the Church after his death.
When polygamy was publicly announced in 1852 the Church missionary effort collapsed and resulted in an 85% loss of convert baptisms for decades to come.
6000 good Saints also fled Utah.
It would not surprise me if the Church was 10 times bigger right now if polygamy was not introduced in the Church.
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I was baptized in church of Christ