Troy Dannen on when he knew Kalen DeBoer might leave UW, the future of Huskies Football on Montlake
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ม.ค. 2024
- What did Universtiy of Washington athletic director Troy Dannen say about what went down with now former head coach Kalen DeBoer? What happened around Thanksgiving that gave him pause about DeBoer's future on Montlake, even before the Alabama job was available? He joined Brock Huard and Mike Salk for an exclusive interview discussing that and much more. Watch the full interview here or subscribe to the Brock and Salk podcast today to listen to what they said after the interview. bit.ly/BrockAndSalk
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Will not lie….being a Husky was tough last week with all the different emotions. Ready to move on for a successful future in the Big10. WOOF WOOF
WA is as fine program and tradition they'll do very well indeed. Wow I would have never imagined WA and OR going to the Big 10, and USC and UCLA no way too LOL. It's going to be brutal there
He did everything he could. Im glad he did this interview. Were in good hands huskie nation.
no, he didn't. he had one job, with cauce and regents and governor, and they blew it
He could have upped the offer for DeBoer to 12 million with a 30 million dollar buyout to lock him up forever. With that being said we don’t want a coach that doesn’t want to be here…
@@joerexlily youre a simpleton
He failed miserably.
@@Fahrenheit_Motorsports how? cant force a coach to be there if they dont want to. plus they offered $1 million more than bama
Great interview! Our prom date just ran off with the most popular kid at school. It hurts, but we move on. So our rebound coach is a little loose and trashy--that's ok, it won't be long term, but I'll enjoy it as long as it lasts.
You could hear in Kalen’s interviews back in October and November that he was thinking beyond UW. His agent likely coached him to wait to see what other offers surfaced if for no other reason than to drive up his salary. If Kalen had been truly committed to UW he would have signed months ago. Sadly, I think it negatively impacted UW recruiting as well because even before Kalen resigned we were not making many splashes with big recruits. I also suspect Kalen didn’t love living in Seattle. Weather, politics, traffic- he’s a small town guy. The entire thing is sad. It makes me dislike college football and less likely to follow the sport.
Less likely to care about the sport because there's little loyalty or commitment..it's just pretty much a business now. How and why should "college athletes' be compensated?! And coaches making obscene salaries!
@@marcostar57 I believe athletes should be paid at a base rate out of school TV allotments, with a capped NIL-based adjustment for players who rise above the rest. They should then be signed to contracts and not allowed to break contract over coaching changes. This would take the power out of coaches' hands and also reduce coach salaries somewhat because they no longer bring all the players with them.
Keep in mind that paying players is a great counterbalance to them rushing into the NFL before they're ready. It ensures a more stable flow of players into pro football while also reducing the risk that they suffer a season ending injury playing guys that are out of their league. It also increases the chance that they get their degree and have an alternative career path should some sort of season-ending injury occur.
He is an egoist like some TV Pastor, his narcissism is his fix. He was too good to be true. And was.
I think Kalen and his agent knew Saban was going to retire with maybe The Michigan job on the back burner just incase. What pisses me off is Kalen probably knew he was leaving around Thanksgiving and still signed kids in the portal is just wrong. Also the transfer portal should not open till after the bowl season and all the hiring firing of coaches is over. What do I know though I'm just a fan. Go DAWGS
@@wally250cc Absolutely. Sexton peddles in information. That's what agents do. He definitely had discussions with Saban earlier in the year that made him believe that this was going to happen and set all this up, with each of his clients getting paid. If anything, Agents should be prohibited from representing coaches just as they are prohibited from representing amateur athletes. You can't keep the sport clean when half of it is corrupt and dirty.
This is a very good AD.
wake up, he failed, we had it all in the mid, in the net, he should have applied more pressure
I wasn’t sure about Dannen at first but he has won me over
He hasn't won me over yet. Alabama tried to poach former UW OC Ryan Grubb last offseason, and Grubb turned Alabama down because he didn't want to leave UW after asking players like Penix and others to stay one more year to make a run at a Natty. After DeBoer bailed, Grubb still wanted to stay at UW, he asked to be their head coach and Dannen turned him down. Ryan Grubb has been with DeBoer for a long time, Grubb could be the reason why DeBoer has been as successful as he's been. Dannen turned Grubb down for a guy who has been with 17 different teams since 1997, a guy with a losing record as a HC, and one winning season to his name in Jedd Fisch. Jedd Fisch who just did to Arizona what DeBoer did to Washington, when they had Grubb who proved more than once that he wanted to be at UW.
@@Jason-lk9yiI like Grubb but being a Div 1 head coach has many more skills that Grubb still needs to hone
Wish him the best however
Fisch is a true catch
First Fisch on Montlake😅
@@baseballdude8491 True, but every coach starts out with no division 1 coaching history. I would have taken the best OC in the country in Grubb and gave him a shot, a guy who showed more than once that he wanted to be at UW. I definitely would have taken Grubb over Fisch who just did to Arizona what DeBoer did to UW, a guy who has one winning season to his name.
@@Jason-lk9yiGrubb is great, loved him, but he has never coached at any level without DeBoer with the exception of a year at Fresno State. It’s January. Most schools have started the semester. Coaching staffs are committed, kids are in class, winter ball is a few weeks away, Grubb has never hired a staff on his own. DeBoer was leaving with a bunch of other coaches, so what in Grubb’s past experiences and previous stops leads you to believe he could hire a staff to keep it going and improve the recruiting (it has not been great, and the B1G will be tougher). It’s not just about keeping a bunch of kids at the school, or keeping the scheme going, it’s about being able to lead a rebuild.
@@rayontita1912 It being January has no bearing on whether Grubb could have brought in a competent staff if Washington was willing to give him the resources to do so. Just because Grubb hasn't had the opportunity to build a staff doesn't mean that he's incapable of doing so, he could very well have done a good job assembling a good staff. As far as not doing anything without DeBoer, the same can be said about DeBoer without Grubb.......UW needs someone who can show a tad of loyalty (like Grubb) to actually make a full rebuild with staying power, not someone like Fisch who will spend a year or 2 rebuilding then bail before the rebuild even has a chance to make a true impact like he did at Arizona.
It became obvious in the way DeBoer quietly slinked out of town that there was a problem. Over all, I liked DeBoer and wish him the best, but he and Ryan Grubb did make some rookie mistakes at times over the season. Our defense did bail out the offense more than once. I feel we traded up in getting Jedd Fisch.
One thing I do agree, though I am not watching anymore. As I am one of those fans that went to every game in the 0-12 season. Never missed a game. I agree. I always like Jedd as well as much as I liked Deboer as a coach. Unlike the Michigan game we had DJ our second-best player healthy for Arizona. Jedd played us head up in that game and lost the game on a fluke. Deboer took the heart out of me this time around. You enjoy watching though. Keep it up. Deboer is a liar, an explicit liar. College football is just a bunch of selfish people. I do not have the time and here money to deal with people who have no moral care for others anymore. I supposed to let my son play for a man like that. Kids have to be loyal but not him. I am a Christian man a very poor guy, but I give of my time and money to people. I tell people that I am going to do something for them I do it. I do not back slide or what or come up with wonderful reasons for why I get to be a piece of crap, like Deboer. To me Sarkisian and Neuheisel were way better and higher accommodating, Sarkisian was an alcoholic and left us a quality team. Deboer left us worse off than Tyrone Willingham did almost. And this was after a nice season this year. He used us. If he had left the program better off or as good as he got it, when he came? I would be alright with him leaving. But he is like a hit it and quit it dad. He gave us pillow talk enough to get the milk for free, and then left. He will get repaid for it, sometime down the road, either now or in the thereafter down below for him. He is a narcissist. Hope Jedd does well but just don't care anymore.
@@TheRooster1988I agree sir. DeBoer is a world class POS. He had me completely fooled. But college football is broken. I will always love UW football but we’ve all (specially myself) have made idols of it. We all need to have our priorities correct. Sadly Americans don’t. That’s why this country is on the decline that it is.
At the National Championship game Kalen's body actions were off. I thought he was just nervous. Turns out his heart was already in Alabama.
I think we are in good hands with Coach Fisch. His rebuild at Arizona is more impressive
Than DeBoer's because he did not have as much talent as DeBoer had. It also looks like he is a better recruiter than DeBoer.
The question for all Huskies fans is whether or not Fisch would be any more loyal than Deboer if he were to achieve success at the level that KD achieved.
I heard just the other day that Bama's recruiting staff alone is 40 people and UW's, at least under DeBoer, was 8. That needs to change. More money needs to be poured into other resources that coaches use in order to succeed. Obviously the school doesn't give out unlimited budgets, nor should it, but UW among public universities has a top-10 endowment of $6.6B. Bama's endowment is $1.5B. UW could easily compete and outclass most other P5 universities but chooses not to.
Bama has a considerably more robust influx of booster and NIL money. Also their football program is a money making machine, on it's own, like very few others, and generates infinitely more money than does the Huskies. UW definitely should allot more resources to recruiting and everything else, but it's a whole different ball game in Seattle comparatively speaking.
I doubt endowment money can be spent on athletics. Academically UW is better than Bama, but that has little relevance on athletics. If it did, Stanford would dominate
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The guy won 10 games and is PAC 12 coach of the year his first year, and you gave him a 1 million dollar raise .. Laning gets 7 million for winning ten games after his first year. Maybe you should have done your job and given him an appropriate extension with an aggressive buyout structure, and he would have been much less attractive. If his buyout was 25 million instead of 12. It's Bama, so he still might have left, but it would have cost them
Agree. Thats why we’re started Jed fisch at 7.75. Hopefully there’s a big buyout clause in there
If we offer him $10.5m in season that’s a whole lot more appealing. Instead we chased our own tail with his ever rising stock and ended up losing to a blue blood and paying the replacement $9m!! They’ve got to see the forest through the trees
Hard to compare with Nike U ($$$$) down in Eugene in my opinion. You're right, Bama is Bama at the end of the day. UW is a great gig but unfortunately it's not the pinnacle of college football. Just not viewed that way. Sark left for SC because it's SC. Similar to me.
Dannen said it....the UW president and board have the final say. He doesn't get to make the final decisions. UW Leadership better step up or they fall away. We shall see what happens this year.
Nobody is signing a deal with a 25 million dollar buyout, not when they’re about to hire Jimmy Sexton. Nobody hires Jimmy Sexton to help them keep a job; it’s to help them get more money out of a job or get a bigger one. DeBoer had this kind of move in mind over a while, hence the Sexton hire. Beyond that, UW has not committed to football the way Oregon has. UW does not have a Phil Knight. Nobody has mobilised the billionaires in Seattle to put together a proper fund to propel UW to the top in terms of facilities, athlete support and NIL. The current ones are really good, but they need work to get to blue blood level.
The opportunity to coach at one of the most storied football schools ever doesn't happen every day BUT at Bama DeBoer will be on a short leash-he better win and keep on winning or he will be coaching the offensive line at a junior college
There will always be new coaches and players from all over the country--and world. What is the common denominator is the school and the history and the city--all of which have been here many many years and will remain. What is culture in the PNW, especially this part of the PNW, will not change and will influence every coach and every student athlete and mold them into what we all know as being a Husky.
So what if the players found out about this move by DeBoer before the championship game? Would that have affected their performance? To be honest, the offense was off the whole game.
Andrew Zimmerman is our AD?
Kalen noticed certain players he was leaving before the championship game hence why certain players played the way they played unfortunately.
huh?
That is pure conjecture. No one knows for sure who knew what. Sexton was working his dealings behind The Great Oz curtain.
@@SWest00072It's probably a little more than conjecture when you think about it. Saban's agent Sexton knew that Saban was going to retire after the season, I guarantee it. Saban most likely gave Alabama's AD a heads up as well as to not screw Bama over giving them the time to strategize a new hire. Then consider that DeBoer hired Saban's agent Sexton mid season at UW, then DeBoer was offered a new contract by UW in October which he turned away saying "I want to focus on the season first" which was a lie, most likely DeBoer was already in talks with Sexton about Alabama's interest in him after Saban retires. DeBoer knew he was going to be Alabama's top choice. Alabama also tried to poach his friend OC Ryan Grubb from Washington the year prior. I'm willing to bet DeBoer knew he was leaving well before the national title game.
@@Jason-lk9yi - All the more reason why UW, the stakeholders and brass, need to continue to build the program to be an aspirational destination and not a stepping stone, otherwise, this will continue to happen to UW.
@@SWest00072I agree, I just wish Dannen would have given Grubb a shot at HC for UW. Alabama tried to poach Grubb the year prior and Grubb turned them down. Grubb turned Alabama down because he didn't want to leave after asking players like Penix and others to stay one more year at UW (shows loyalty and heart), then after Deboer left Grubb still wanted to stay by asking to be UW's head coach. On more than one occasion Grubb showed loyalty to UW, and Dannen turned him down for a guy who just did to Arizona what DeBoer did to Washington. Dannen chose a guy who has been with 17 different teams since 1997, a guy with a losing record as a HC, a guy with one winning season to his name, over a guy who proved more than once that he wanted to stay at UW, a guy that could be the very reason why DeBoer has been so successful. For UW to become a power house, they have to find a coach who will stay long enough to accomplish that, someone who shows even a shred of loyalty. I don't think Fisch is even remotely close to being that guy, but I hope I'm wrong.
So basically, Jimmie played both sides
he's an agent. that's his job.
KD refusing to sign a lucrative contract extension was indeed a huge red flag and I think we are seeing that same dynamic playing out in Ann Arbor with Jim Harbaugh and Michigan. Deboer might find the culture Tuscaloosa closer to his fitting, but at the same time SEC is a whole different brand of college football and he is likely to find that life in Alabama is going to get a tad bid more rougher if he doesn't win a NC within the next five years. Just ask all the coaches who come after Bear Bryant retired.
If one or more of those close games we won went the other way, where would DeBlower be? The players won those close games, not DeBlower. He cashed out and went to Alabama. They won't be kind to him if he loses a few games down there.
Well DeFraud may be a good coach but he sure is a scheming dirtbag of a person. Dude knew all along he was leaving...and nuked the program on the way out. We'll see how long he lasts after losing a few games...their patience for him to succeed will be very short.
They will tar and feather and stone him in the town square if he loses.
Where were the question that needed to be asked? Too many softballs. What is the buyout in the new Fisch contract? Why was Grubb not chosen?
He would have to build a staff and that wouldn't have been easy as most guys were going with Kalen
This dude (Dannen) gets it!
That wasn't a contract offer, it was a insult.
Troy Dannen initially offered DeBoer $9m 6 weeks ago. When he needed to make an offer to keep DeBoer, he came in at $9.5m. He was probably $2m too low. Dannen had one job to do, and he couldn’t do that. UW needs to get the upper campus, brass and stakeholders to build the program - priorities, culture, NIL, etc so they are not relying on a coach “to save them”. Build the program internally and vet and hire coaches to plug in. The top programs do this and it provides “staying power” rather than massive peak and valley years.
Your overarching point is correct. UW needs to decide if football is a priority and commit to it that way. However, no amount of money was going to keep DeBoer after he hired Jimmy Sexton. He could have offered him full ownership of the Space Needle and KDB would have left. Dannen’s job wasn’t to keep DeBoer, because it’s CFB. Nobody owns anyone. His job was, and is, to make UW Athletics elite, and as he said, it doesn’t rely only on him. The upper brass has to be on board. Has to be.
It's clear that NO amount of money would have kept Deboer at UW. Alabama is his dream job, period.
I am not sure what Kool-Aid you are drinking. But DeBoer never was interested in staying here long-term. AD Troy Dannen put a decent contract out for DeBoer within ten days of arriving on the job. Dannen hit the ground running. It is Deboer who did not want to stay. The grass was greener. He may have even heard from a little birdie that Nick Saban was about to retire or was contemplating retirement. It is not so crazy to think that Jimmy Sexton, the agent for Saban and Deboer, whispered something to DeBoer. Why else would DeBoer, who had been here less than two years, not want to negotiate a long-term contract? I think he did not want to be here. If he did want to be here, we would not be having this conversation. If you ever have negotiated agreements or contracts, you never put your best offer out there first. You negotiate. They offer, you counter-offer, and it goes back and forth until you reach a resolution. But it is very apparent DeBoer did not provide a counter-offer to Dannen's opening offer. Apparently, no negotiations ever occurred. That is not on Dannen's head. Put the blame for any stalled negotiations where it belongs and that is on DeBoer. That begs the question, WHY did Deboer not want to negotiate with Dannen? I believe he wanted out. Thus, no amount of money was going to keep him. Some have speculated that DeBoer is more comfortable in Tuscaloosa than Seattle. They may be right. He is not a Big City guy. As for Fisch, do any of us know how long he will end up staying here at UW? Of course not. We don't have a crystal ball. Only time will tell. I just hope he stays long enough to right the ship and move us along in the right direction. I am hoping he stays for at least five years. Longer would be great. But in today's world, there is nothing that is guaranteed. So enjoy it while it lasts!
Washington fans "Kalen Deboer is a snake" Washington AD proceeds to replace him with an even bigger snake.
The deal with Bama was done last Fall. They can't admit that, but it's true.
Kalen debor wont last 3 years alabama
Yes he will stop hatin…lol. I’m a true husky fan always will be, but Alabama IS that job, so don’t blame KALAN for taking this once in a lifetime opportunity.
I’m rooting for his failure. I’ll finally have reason to watch SEC footballs
Go Ducks!! 💚💚💛💛
Eww gross
Hahaha sneaky
Kalen fooled everyone with his bull..it. He used the Huskies for career gain. Left the shelves bare and the program in a shambles. Hope he gets fired before the year is over at Alabama…. Don’t look to good for him . Their players are jumping to the portal like crazy. They don’t want to play for him … he ain’t SEC in any way. DeBoer ruined two programs that made the CFP in one year. Some kind of new record I’m sure……
Time to move on and stop giving Alabama and the coaching staff so much attention. They are definitely laughing at us for crying so much ,stereotypical Seattle soft. Blunt but the truth.
Just to clarify I'm in Alabama for work and yes they couldn't care less about uw
Never asked him about the crappy buyouts in Fisch's contract? It's a joke and ensures that we'll be rebuilding in two years again. A total failure by Dannen. He should be fired when Fisch leaves.
What leverage did Dannen have? Kind of stuck in a rut with this so he did what he could do.
Also gives UW an out if Fisch doesn’t work out.
Every first contact is like this. Once there’s a renegotiation after a year or two the amount will increase
What type of buyout were you expecting? The deal had to be done fast. If he lasts three years and gets hired away the buyout is still $6M. If Fisch buys out then that means he was a success. Do you really not want success?
For what it's worth, $12 million or $25 million makes little difference to big schools, especially in the SEC, which is where Fisch graduated. If one of those schools wants someone, or wants to get rid of someone, the money doesn't matter. Texas A&M wanted to get rid of Jimbo Fischer, and he had a buyout of $70 million--they didn't bat an eye.