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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
  • Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan are here for their deep dive on Magic's seventh expansion - Homelands!
    The duo dissect Magic's lowest point yet, with their thoughts on the storyline of Homelands, why the set is seen as a massive failure, and what could have been done to make Homelands a success.
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 Introduction
    8:17 Facts
    33:18 Lore
    1:04:02 Mechanics
    1:19:07 Cycles
    1:25:55 Trivia
    1:55:01 Awards Show
    2:05:52 Grade
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    Credits:
    Directed by: Jonathan Choi
    Produced by: Cedric Phillips and Jonathan Choi
    Edited by: Jonathan Choi
    Written by: Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan
    Graphics by: Ray Dill
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    Information sourced from MagicTheGathering.com, TheSideboard.com, MTGWiki.com and numerous conversations with previous and current Magic players
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  • @AnsonMaddocks
    @AnsonMaddocks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    Wow, memories... Just to add a perspective, "cringe" is all I felt in regards to the "advertisement" played at the beginning of this episode, as well as all of the ads produced by WotC at that time. I don't know exactly why the Production department at WotC was not considered as a resource when creating a team to produce those things (other than being way to busy with something else I presume) but I (Anson M), Sandra Everingham, Daniel Gelon, Jesper Myrfors, Tom Wanerstrand, Chris Rush and other were certainly available for input. Regardless of the fact that I would have shot the whole thing down if I could have with "aah, no, that is not something we could make look good with anything other than brilliant directing and cinematography, essentially misdirection and "less is more". After we got back to the office in Renton, having just returned from the New York event you mentioned, Jesper knew how badly I reacted with my first impression of the Minotaur costume so (as usual) he turned it into a comedy campaign, often sneaking up behind me while I sat at my desk working, he would go.. ".....ah....aHEMmm !! AAAaarrRROOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!!!!" ... which was the sound the minotaur-wearing, hired talent would make every couple of minutes at the event, his voice muffled as if he were inside of an oversized, as you say, Paper Mache head. The "ahem" at the beginning was the "minotaur" clearing his throat as if it were a professional vocalist who was about to honor the listeners.
    Before the ads were made, many of the other departments were expressing feelings of being unfulfilled, artistically, and wanted to be included on some of the fun elements that were coming up. Marketing, customer relations, R and D, the Duelist Convocation, just about every department other than Production might have a chance to put their own spin on something. I probably shouldn't have included R and D with the others, R and D could have made some brilliant contributions, as long as marketing deemed it worthy. While I had no idea that it was being made, I think that another artist could possibly have made an incredible minotaur costume, there just isn't any way that it could have been worn and enacted realistically. Anyway, in the future, if I listen to one of your episodes while I am working, I will have to keep in mind that I may get farther behind when I hear something that I have to comment on. Keep up the great work you two, Oh and Cedrick, when Mark Tedin, Andi Rusu and myself went to the Essen toy fair for the first time in the early 90's, Mark and Andi both had bought new shoes for the trip, anticipating all of the walking we were probably going to do and both of them suffered horribly for the decision from numerous friction blisters that ....well, you can imagine, and if not, I have pictures. so thanks for letting me rant! -Anson

    • @TheResleevables
      @TheResleevables  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      Anson, this comment was absolutely fantastic. Thanks so much for sharing these stories!

    • @patricksullivan9194
      @patricksullivan9194 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      Just wanted to mention that if you told 15 year old me that one day I would make make Magic videos that you watched and commented on it would have made my entire day/week/month/etc.

    • @AnsonMaddocks
      @AnsonMaddocks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It seems to me that you two are doing a great job of talking about things that matter to people interested in "this game of ours". keep up the good work, and stop by if we are at the same event in the future. @@patricksullivan9194

    • @earlofdrumer1851
      @earlofdrumer1851 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You are my favourite artist from MtG. I love lots of artists, especially those that worked on Fighting Fantasy like the late Martin McKenna and Ian Miller, but your work really drew me into the world of MtG. I can see your inspiration is also taken from artists like Jesper Myrfors but it's your work that I put as the reason I love art. Thank you for all your contributions towards the art of high fantasy. 🌹🐴

    • @thefrozengoat
      @thefrozengoat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Anson, you are my favorite artist that has ever graced Magic, and to read personal tales of yours is incredible. I love this video series so much because of the time travel I experience when lsitening to it. And to see you adding a story to the mix is...well, incredible!

  • @janmelantu7490
    @janmelantu7490 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    LoadingReadyRun did a podcast of “awful MTG ideas” and Graham suggested “Homelands Remastered” which would be a 5-card secret lair “to really pare it down to the best cards in Homelands”

    • @christopherlundgren1700
      @christopherlundgren1700 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      There was a Grand Prix in Portland for M13, and LRR was there. Graham did a Power Point presentation on tips for drafting Homelands.

  • @JacksonParodi
    @JacksonParodi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    highlight of the episode: Cedric Phillips discovering that leeches still exist in the real world

  • @ignacius8466
    @ignacius8466 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Maybe you should be called the Rewatchables considering how many times I rewatch these vids.

    • @draftmagicagain1000
      @draftmagicagain1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s a Bill Simmons movie review podcast

  • @specialK319319
    @specialK319319 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    "There are no falcons, Baron Sengir killed them all"
    I laughed way too hard at this. I love ya'lls sense of humor.

  • @Hypn0tyque
    @Hypn0tyque 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Woah, that magic comic book fully arted by Rebecca Guay is amaaaaazing. I need to find a copy of that.

  • @penguinlust6749
    @penguinlust6749 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    Eight months without a set now would be a godsend.

  • @ChiralWolf
    @ChiralWolf 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    I don't know why but Cedric asking "are leeches still out there in the world?" has me dying 😂

    • @benroutier9762
      @benroutier9762 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fun fact leaches are still used in western medicine. They keep can prevent certain past surgery complications when limbs are reattached or following plastic surgery.

    • @zoolog2012
      @zoolog2012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Land leeches are real too 😅

  • @IronclawOrc
    @IronclawOrc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    That "no it didn't" might be my favorite line from the series so far! Had to pause the video cause I was living so hard.

  • @davesolberg
    @davesolberg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    The start of this episode was a treat

    • @janmelantu7490
      @janmelantu7490 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It sure was ‘90s

    • @mattm7798
      @mattm7798 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      90s low budget CGI...I'm sure it seemed awesome at the time lol

    • @JD-gk7eh
      @JD-gk7eh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How far Magic has come since then!

    • @hansoskar1911
      @hansoskar1911 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@janmelantu7490 looked better than the 2000 D&D movie

    • @HamSandwich-xk3om
      @HamSandwich-xk3om 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, I was expecting them to run into trouble and start casting the worst homeland spells and looking confused as their magic was not helping, lol

  • @hermodnitter3902
    @hermodnitter3902 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Love this episode and the flavor of Homelands! Fun fact (or additional trivia): Some of the artworks for the commons with two versions form a panorama when aligned next to each other, for example Dark Maze (by Rob Alexander) and Trade Caravan (by Kaja Foglio). I stitched both of these together using photo editing software, and they look so cool when combined.

  • @85mcarnold
    @85mcarnold 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The art of Homelands is amazing. A few friends and I a couple years ago had a project where we took Modern staples and paired them with art on unplayable cards in the original frame. Homelands was a great resource for art.

  • @YummmHi
    @YummmHi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Cedric asking if leeches still exist killed me

  • @milanmach2379
    @milanmach2379 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Serra's storyline in the Homelands comic is absolutely amazing. She basically did a Padme before Padme. She lived through Homelands, which scarred her so much that in the epilogue, she lost her will to live and when attacked, she just decided to die instead of easily saving herself.

  • @TheMaverickGirlGaming
    @TheMaverickGirlGaming 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    That opening intro was great. Seeing the old 90s commercials brought to a modern audience is a delight.

  • @jenniferwilliams9612
    @jenniferwilliams9612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Today (the day after this video dropped), I played a Modern RCQ, in which I played Boros Burn. I have always been a Red player, going all the way back to the beginning of my FNM days, back in Tempest Block. I sat near to another player in the tournament who was also playing Boros Burn, and he had a deck full of signed cards and old cards. I commented on how much I liked his deck, and he showed it to me after the match. He had 2 Arabian Nights Mountains in that deck which were signed by the artist, and he then mentioned that they were also signed by Patrick Sullivan, asking if I knew who that was. I have been loving your videos since I became aware of them when you reviewed Fallen Empires, and I mentioned that to him. I also have a tremendous affinity for Arabian Nights Mountains, having about 10 of them in my pet deck,

  • @pjrappa
    @pjrappa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    1:51:41 lol Small moments like this is what made your SCG coverage so good

  • @JesGolbez
    @JesGolbez 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Homelands had amazing flavour. I wish WOTC would go back and explore the plane once again.
    I love that ad showcasing some of the most unimpressive lands ever printed

  • @Devoguy
    @Devoguy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Homelands was one of my favourite card sets. I love the sets that feel like the cards all fit together, both with the lore of the game and with the game play. Too many people play the game to win at all costs, so they only look for the best and broken cards in the set. Homelands had some cards that were good, but not broken, and fun to play with. Even years after the set, I was looking for more cards to drop into my minotaur deck, vampires for the Baron Sengir deck, or new ways to use Autumn Willow against blue and black decks. This and Fallen Empires were fantastic for this kind of play. Too bad they don't make expansion sets that feel like Homelands anymore.

    • @popo237
      @popo237 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No. Not under any scope were these cards good or even decent. Save for Merchant Scroll.

    • @Devoguy
      @Devoguy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@popo237 Missing the point. Minotaur decks were fun, Autumn Willow was fun, Playing a bunch of evil vampire legends was fun. Let's make the game fun, not broken.

  • @jedismasher
    @jedismasher 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    the one no one was waiting for, but we're here, and let's go can't wait to see this.

  • @andrewc7866
    @andrewc7866 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a college student and greatly wish yall could co-teach a class. The way Cedric presents information (especially the little additions/clarifications while reading the story) and patrick expounds on it is a joy to listen to and is so easy to learn from

  • @penguinlust6749
    @penguinlust6749 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Just airing the old short makes this worthy of a thumbs up. But sadly, that's the highlight of this set -- a natural '2' if there ever was one. Time to watch the whole video and see if you agree!

    • @penguinlust6749
      @penguinlust6749 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed with your take on this. Good job. While I view this through the lens of 28 years of hindsight, it was apparent back then it was a bad set and that the story was about its only redeeming feature.
      One thing you only briefly alluded to -- this set finished off a lot of game stores and singles dealers. It was a disaster. But as you noted, it followed Fallen Empires, 4th, Ice Age, and Chronicles, and those sets had cumulatively wreaked a lot of carnage. This was the coup de grâce, It almost killed the game, or at least that was the perception. No product after this for 8 months, no singles worth anything for almost two years, a power level that a lot of people did not enjoy playing, collectors feeling burned, design decisions that were true head scratchers, and a glut of card packs no one wanted. The result was a lot of drastic measures that had to be taken that are argued over today -- e.g. The Reserved List -- and a lot of people dumping the game, their collections, etc. Thankfully WotC bit the proverbial bullet and tried to fix things and realized that design mattered, so the next set, as you said, was excellent. Looking forward to the next episode.
      BTW, some people realized Memory Lapse was broken back then, but yeah, saw a lot of Serrated Arrows in tournaments.

  • @jedrzejkraszewski816
    @jedrzejkraszewski816 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Gosh, the "Homelands" comic painted by Rebecca Guay is looking fantastic, I wish I owned a physical copy. The lines, the colors, truly spectacular. Great that they got the artist on board from Alliances onward to illustrate so many cards.

  • @belboz
    @belboz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Aether Storm was never great, but it was errata'd to work slightly differently than it did when it was printed. The colored creatures of the time had "Summon X" on the type line, but artifact creatures just had "Artifact Creature", so everyone could still cast artifact creatures with an Aether Storm on the battlefield.

  • @Malkavon
    @Malkavon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really enjoyed this episode. As someone who started playing Magic during Ice Age when I was a little kid, I especially enjoyed the deep dive into the lore, your enthusiasm for the worldbuilding and storytelling made it really fun to go down memory lane.
    I still remember opening Baron Sengir and just being blown away by him, even if he was really not good as a game piece. He just seemed so iconic and cool.

  • @downintheparkfishing
    @downintheparkfishing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Joven's Ferrets was the card to have. It was not good, but I had a ferret as a kid and loved the card.

    • @karlk5801
      @karlk5801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Patrick's redesign that can steal Moxes though, would have been a great idea

  • @Vyolynce
    @Vyolynce 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The worst part of the End of Combat step is that there's almost no functional difference between it and the Combat Damage step, especially now that combat damage doesn't use the stack. The only issue is when first strike creates an additional damage step.

  • @themisprintguy
    @themisprintguy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You forgot to mention the MASSIVE print run. Compare all you want to The Dark, but Homelands was so overprinted I was buying boxes for $10. It’s one thing to fail and we quickly brush it aside, it’s another when we see it on a shelf for three years.

  • @chiblast100x
    @chiblast100x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1. Jeegus! Discussing Shandalar while wearing that shirt Cedric....
    2. Essen is only really important IMO for Spiel des Jahres.
    3. Ravi and the Baron are still among my favorite characters in MTG. Too bad she's desparked now, but maybe we'll get to visit Ulgrotha in a playable set one day.

  • @alexspeedwagon3701
    @alexspeedwagon3701 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never had enough magic-playing friends to mess with Emperor or Star as a kid, but man I wanted to. I remember at one point building decks for each "seat" for Star just to see what it would look like, I had totally forgotten about that. Thanks for the nostalgia hit, Patrick!

  • @Penguinhelper121
    @Penguinhelper121 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I watched a pack wars of homelands at the Dragon's Maze Prerelease. Veldrane's activated ability was the only way damage got done.

  • @mikeames138
    @mikeames138 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’ve been calling for a Shandalar remake for years. It’s totally available as vapoware. I have and play it all the time. Only place you can play 4x Contract from Below!!

  • @Trip_Fontaine
    @Trip_Fontaine 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I remember that the rules of Type 2 for a brief time were that you had to have at least 5 cards from every legal set in your deck. People struggled to find cards that were playable from Homelands. Serrated Arrows was the one card most people chose. It was really good against the "pump-knights" of the time like Knight of Stromgald.

    • @Blackadder75
      @Blackadder75 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      some deck I saw that won a tournament didnt even bother, made a 10 card sideboard and added 5 random homelands cards to make a statement :)

    • @ankaarne
      @ankaarne 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, Homelands (and to a lesser degree fallen empires) were so bad they had to force players to play cards from those sets. 🤣

    • @christopherlundgren1700
      @christopherlundgren1700 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Also a way for mono black decks to control Whirling Dervish.

  • @karlk5801
    @karlk5801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The comic excerpts in the video make it sound like that is the source for all the lore, but there is also a "Planeswalker's Guide to Ulgrotha" out there that has lore for every single card! For example, Faerie Noble has this little story: "There is supposedly a Noble who has taken the River Bridge for his own, and will let anyone cross who does not bear the anger of the Autumn Willow. At a single command the faeries and sprites will drive any invaders from the River Bridge into the rushing waters and thus to their deaths. The Noble is the spitting image of Veldrane, the Baron's Vassal, a joke created by the Autumn Willow. Nothing could be more disconcerting than being attacked by a host of faeries, led by a six inch high replica of yourself shouting orders."

  • @NuMBERNYC
    @NuMBERNYC 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah Brian David Marshall (think I spelled his name right) Was the organizer and God Father of Magic in NYC in the 90's. I believe he owned Nuetral Grounds, The one stop shop for MTG Products in Manhattan, NY. He was always in his office and came out to play when the older players arrived. I was probably 14-15 years old at the time (Mirage - Tempest Block Years)

  • @Shaikoten
    @Shaikoten 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Played against Richard Garfield and MaRo at a Worlds in 2008, can confirm, it was just a line. Side note, Richard was crazy fun to play against because he had a deck completely made of doodled blank cards that did extremely mechanically broken things, like putting opponent's cards in your hand.

  • @termsofutilization
    @termsofutilization 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love Patrick's take on the commander award. I played a ton of low power multi-player games of magic in the late 90s and early 2000s. Just 6 people sitting around a table with 60 card decks with no format to speak of. Emperor or star just required too much work, lol. That's where a lot of my experience with these old cards comes from. I'd much rather hear him come from that space than to think about commander when he doesn't play it much.

  • @iamdadodo
    @iamdadodo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Awesome episode, made me like the set a lot more! However, as a tribal lover, strong disagree with the creature type update - i think it allows a lot more freedom for unusual choices for edh which is, in reality, the only place these cards will ever be played with nowadays.

  • @BaldBookTuber
    @BaldBookTuber 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been absolutely loving this series. I still go back to old coverage from SCG Tour tournaments because I love the way Cedric and Patrick play off each other, and the chemistry is top notch here. I started playing shortly after Tempest - that was the first block I remember, and I remember playing the Urza’s Saga prelease. I know we have a ways to go, but can’t wait to get to Mirage block and beyond episodes, as that was my early adulthood in college.

  • @tariqmaketab595
    @tariqmaketab595 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The card Prophecy reminds me of my favorite trivia question to ask friends and new acquaintances: how many Magic sets share their name with cards? For example, Urza's Saga, Prophecy, Conflux, etc.

    • @draftmagicagain1000
      @draftmagicagain1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Time spiral, planar chaos, future sight, Morningtide.

  • @barrywade3774
    @barrywade3774 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Homelands was the first new set to release after I started playing, and the first set I completed. It was never part of Ice Age block, because blocks didn’t exist at the time it released, or until years later when Mirage “block” got its third set.
    Ice Age getting a reprint of Icy Manipulator was huge in my area, where nearly nobody had it.
    Fallen Empires was also a draft staple in our area for years, and Homelands was nice and easy to mix in being also 8 card packs and relatively inexpensive. (Still not much help in finding more goblins to go with Goblin Grenades or Goblin Warrens though.)

  • @Banterbear
    @Banterbear 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just about the Lord's in alpha, there was no 4 of restriction when Alpha released...I think the idea WAS to get someone making a deck that was just Lords of Atlantis and as many Merfolk of the Pearl Trident as they could trade for...they never even knew the game would be a successful of any new Goblins or Merfolk would ever come out.

  • @SarcoZQ
    @SarcoZQ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Peak 90's intro. Love it

  • @Slattstudio
    @Slattstudio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think our first booster box was of Homelands. We played limited with it. The set was kinda sucky, but man, what awesome memories!

  • @gratuitousfootnote1183
    @gratuitousfootnote1183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The card Arena is not rancid! It does a lot of work in old school singleton! truly.

  • @Zach5000
    @Zach5000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been waiting for a new one! Needs to be weekly series! Thank you so much for these.

  • @mightyfp
    @mightyfp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:33:30 if the actual cards are so counter to what is expected, does that open the door enough for updates in new sets? Or is darksteel tabernacle and pro black / robot abyss enough of a meta to keep their design intact?
    ETA - tabernacle was changed to sacrifice, then changed back

  • @cxrdinal676
    @cxrdinal676 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    this was such a great episode! are yall gonna be doing the tournament reviews again once we get to the era of OP?

  • @anthonypreville9345
    @anthonypreville9345 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this series! Really hope you guys keep rolling. Things are about to get really good soon, and powerful.

  • @mccoyrj452
    @mccoyrj452 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly, Homelands would be fun for them to go back to and expand on again. I realize its still just Dominaria, but this particular region and story would be awesome to return to.

  • @wheelinshirt
    @wheelinshirt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    okay now it makes sense that grandmother sengir is a human wizard rather than a vampire

  • @wheelinshirt
    @wheelinshirt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the shoutout for Hungry Mist. One of my absolute favorites. Unfortunately, the 2 toughness means the one place it could shine (Fallen Empires/Homelands 40), it just dies to aeolipile which is a 4x in every single deck.
    Torture and Dry Spell are both pretty useful cards as well, and Aysen Crusader with modern errata can be a monster. The power level here isn't high but Prophecy isn't near the top5 in the set.

  • @WLDFLD
    @WLDFLD 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great ep! For best limited card, it might be Roots, Broken Visage, or believe it or not Leaping Lizard. I mean compare it with any other flier in the set. It owned the skies!!!

  • @sammckay1307
    @sammckay1307 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Merchant scroll is a great design. It is very narrow and encourages instant speed decks to tap mana on their turn. It's only busted in Vintage which is cool. Making it 3 mana makes it unplayable. Why do you want to make the one good card from homelands worse besides memory lapse?

    • @wheelinshirt
      @wheelinshirt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah like its a pretty objectively bad card in any situation that doesn't involve an ancestral recall.

  • @thefrozengoat
    @thefrozengoat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Little known fact: Joven’s Ferrets was an homage to the set’s lead designer, which was actually just a bunch of ferrets in a trench coat disguised as a human that somehow got past HR.

  • @termsofutilization
    @termsofutilization 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Can we just do Shandalar on mobile and charge $10 for it upfront?

    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would be awesome!!!!

  • @violetto3219
    @violetto3219 หลายเดือนก่อน

    with the recent flattening of Viashino and Naga into Lizard and Snake, i understand patrick's dislike of the creature type updates more than i used to

  • @TavisKingsChannel
    @TavisKingsChannel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Blocks didn't exist when Homelands was released.
    Mirage was the first block.
    Ice Age became a block retroactively.

  • @jacobjurkovic9833
    @jacobjurkovic9833 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Booster Tutor says it best "real men use Homelands"

  • @GBF963
    @GBF963 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Vorthos update on Baron sengir: at the eve of the great mending (aka the end of the future sight block story) the baron himself is last seen entering the dwarven portal at the head of a massive vampire army led by his ihsan shade. As of today the barony is held by grandmother ravi sengir (as seen in invasion of ulghrotha in march of the machine)

  • @mtleaguegaming7896
    @mtleaguegaming7896 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    EMPEROR!!!! love this podcast- I got a family of 5 that all play mtg- we are always looking for a 6th person to be the right flank!!!

  • @TheFranchise83
    @TheFranchise83 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    We could go eight months without a set now, no problem. I'm still needing Kamigawa and Brother's War and would like to touch up some other sets.

    • @draftmagicagain1000
      @draftmagicagain1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m also way behind. I’m just now starting to brew with Midnight Hunt and Crimson Vow 😂

  • @Breyfunk
    @Breyfunk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Somewhere out there on Internet land was once an updated version of Shandalar, it was modded to include tons of new cards, I cannot seem to find the link anymore though.

  • @overrated727
    @overrated727 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I also quite enjoyed Cedric reading out the lore. In this set especially, I feel like without knowing the backstory, everything in the set makes very little sense.

  • @EltWilder
    @EltWilder 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What did I use my 13th birthday (late October) money on? A box of Homelands!!! Yeah boy!

  • @karlk5801
    @karlk5801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's odd that
    1. The lore expects us to care about goblins and whether they're getting enough to eat (the Koskun goblins)
    2. There are no actual goblins or mentions of goblins in the set.

    • @wheelinshirt
      @wheelinshirt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah i was very surprised to hear that goblins were such a big part of the lore. I've been playing Fallen Empires 40 and we did a couple months adding Homelands to it. If there was even a single goblin in the set, even a 1/1 for 2R, the goblin grenade deck would probably have been unbeatable.

  • @memyself3510
    @memyself3510 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19:42 I very much remember the Acclaim Mortal Kombat comics. Those were awesome

  • @earlofdrumer1851
    @earlofdrumer1851 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The very first pack of MtG I ever opened was a Homelands booster. The rare was the An-Zerrin Ruins, not a bad card tbh.
    There's no place like Homelands . . . 🌳🐴🌹

  • @gates7831
    @gates7831 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How many cards were affected by the creature type update?

    • @karlk5801
      @karlk5801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @kastrya3485
    @kastrya3485 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    LOVED you guys talking about the lore here, made me laugh so many times
    "That's the just the floor settling" 😂

  • @kpoffaas
    @kpoffaas 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think you have to go through with changing all those types because of all the arguments it settles, Goblin Rock Sled being a prime example that has already been talked about. For the most part it is good, the downside is you get cases like Aysen Crusader where the card is functional different. As far as I know all those weird cases are on bad cards, so they weren’t getting played anyway. All it is doing is getting a little more utility to those cards.

  • @mathewlawrence7157
    @mathewlawrence7157 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've legitimately been locked out of a game and indirectly killed by Feroz's Ban.
    So I'm playing a legacy+ Reanimator deck, and my opponent was playing Shops. He plays a Mox, then Workshop into Trinisphere. Nothing out of the ordinary for now. I play a land, pass. He then plays Ancient Tomb and legitimately casts Feroz's Ban. Now my stuff costs 5 mana at the least. His next turn he cast a second Ban, then played Metalwork Colossus for free. I conceded on the spot.
    Game 2 I Thoughtseize a Lotus on turn 1. He then plays a Mox, Ancient Tomb, and Tangle Wire's me. Not much there.
    Game 3 I Dark Ritual, Entomb + Reanimate a Griselbrand, and he Maze of Ith into Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Lodestone Golem. This game would grind out, with him ultimately winning by sacrificing Tangle Wires and Sphere of Resistances to recur Metalwork Colossus, which were cast for free thanks to... Feroz's Ban.
    Since that game I've had a worry respect of the card, and fear anyone balsy enough to use it, let alone in a legitimate Vintage Deck.

  • @Lucarioguild7
    @Lucarioguild7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a vorthos love getting a nice juicy lore section, Baron Sengir really was just Nicol Bolas before Bolas was an actual fleshed out character. I hope WotC will pay some more lip service to Homelands in the future, the set was bad but the setting is great, it'd be cool to see it through modern lens like we got with Brother's War

  • @astelin
    @astelin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Those HarperPrism books were foundational to my 12 year old self. Greensleeves was my jam.

  • @Ravhin9027
    @Ravhin9027 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shandalar is absolutely the pinnacle of digital M:tG, and has never been matched.

  • @ArmadilloAl
    @ArmadilloAl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the record, Essen Spiel and Gen Con are roughly the same size (and in fact Gen Con might have passed Spiel this year). Gen Con and Spiel count their attendance differently - if one person attends each con all four days, Gen Con counts that as one attendee but Spiel counts it as four attendees. If Gen Con used turnstile attendance like Spiel, it might well have been over 200,000 this year.

  • @JaySay
    @JaySay 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Production is through the roof on this one guys, awesome work!
    Love that opening vid of that _ancient_ promo. Very early star trek-y feel to it.😂

  • @nicholaslott4575
    @nicholaslott4575 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I played this set alot. Not out of want...
    Same thing, it was SOO much cheaper than any other boosters. My mom bought it me alot of it. Only Positive was I was able to run the first version of a toolbox deck with merchant scroll. Search for counters, Red and green hosers, etc. I loved that card.

  • @jakeaaronedwards
    @jakeaaronedwards 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    re: plainswalk, it makes sense that if a creature is especially agile or fast, it would have plainswalk, as it can manuver around other creatures, stopping them from blocking it, similar to flying

  • @HS_Gomikubi
    @HS_Gomikubi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why do Joven's Ferrets need to do anything specifically with artifacts? I'm pretty sure the flavor here is that they help him do his job by serving as a distraction. Sure, at 1 power they're not actually very dangerous... but if you decide to try and catch them (blocking) you'll find the little critters surprisingly resilient (the toughness boost) and ultimately should you survive the scuffle, no matter how handily you beat them in combat you'll still be out of commission for a while afterward (block trigger forcibly taps and skips untapping for a turn) and who knows what might disappear in that time. A mox, your life total, your sanity, personal relationships, mana to pay for stasis... the list goes on.

    • @PopoTCG
      @PopoTCG 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah it was a flavor fail

  • @BarginsGalore
    @BarginsGalore 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    to echo patrick’s point about making previous sets better by turning random names and places into a full story. I started playing just after mtg origins so despite never opening a pack i had a lot of commons and uncommons. for a few years most new set had names and places that appeared on seemingly random cards in origins and it did a lot for my appreciation of magic lore and world building. they did that with intention and 20 years experience designing magic which only makes it more impressive that they did it here with 2 years experience

  • @jasonellis5567
    @jasonellis5567 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I chased Marjhan. It was the art. "That's a whale! IT'S BIG ENOUGH TO EAT A WHALE!" Countless packs in pursuit of Marjhan. Pack after pack - no Marjhan. Enough packs to build a complete set of Homelands, save for one. You guessed it - Marjhan. Imagine my surprise when I realized I could just buy myself a Marjhan or four.
    I still have that Godforsaken set.

  • @gabefarkas
    @gabefarkas 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It does connect to the Ice Age story line. It's fast forwarding 600 years later, when they rediscover the ravaged world.

  • @kylemitchell2052
    @kylemitchell2052 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So i won a pioneer locals event tonight.
    Picked up Baron Sengir because of this episode.

  • @DarkRuler71
    @DarkRuler71 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another great episode of the podcast. Honesty, you sold me on the lore of this set being cool. Definitely made me much more interested.
    Quick question though. Are you no longer showing the cumulative rankings of every set or was it just not included for this one?

  • @christopherlundgren1700
    @christopherlundgren1700 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Could not agree less about your hatred for creature type updates. Yes, it’s messy, but you’re going to tell me that it’s better to tell someone that a card that is clearly depicting a horse or a zombie or a faerie or whatever, sorry it’s actually a Guy-From-The-Woods, so your lord doesn’t work. I strongly support cards working as printed, as you point out with Tabernacle and The Abyss, but I think this is a reasonable exception.

  • @keithbarlow9701
    @keithbarlow9701 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fugggg yeah, new episode! My day has just improved significantly.

  • @KellyUnekis
    @KellyUnekis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honorable Mention to Arena of the Ancients for 'expansion hosers'.

  • @badgerchillsky535
    @badgerchillsky535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree with the perspective that too many errata’s make things confusing. However I disagree with the creature type updates being an issue. Yes, it can cause a little confusion but nowadays your point that you need a manual on hand to tell you what is what. Well, we do have that information on hand. Most people have smart phones and it’s pretty easy to look something up to verify. And yes, you could be playing somewhere that you don’t have good internet access, and that is annoying but I’d say that is less likely.

  • @cjwauer4730
    @cjwauer4730 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About Shandalar,
    It’s abandonware and free to download. Can get ur to run with minimal tech needed.

  • @DogmeatDied989
    @DogmeatDied989 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:14:55 at my LGS, the only choices were Fallen Empires, Homelands, and Ice Age for the longest time.

  • @ricksollman1972
    @ricksollman1972 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I came back to playing Arena after quitting around when Homelands came out, I thought people were saying “Plainswalk”ers when talking about “Planeswalkers”

  • @pauldyson8098
    @pauldyson8098 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love Autumn Willow.

  • @christopherprementine5287
    @christopherprementine5287 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a Homelands cube, and have played it for years with my friends. I'm sorry, but the best limited card is Feast of the Unicorn. slap it on a 1/1 flier and the game ends quick. I actually had to reduce the number of them.

  • @brettucker9695
    @brettucker9695 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great episode guys

  • @donaldtaylor724
    @donaldtaylor724 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Driving to the rugby, got this on blast to make the drive go smooth

  • @clefable6
    @clefable6 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @58:00 I would have said "He's playing chess while the others are playing Wyvern" LOL

  • @jamesguillette3878
    @jamesguillette3878 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Its mean, its green, but the contents are lean

  • @uptherockies
    @uptherockies 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember in Ireland me and my mate as children sent away for a free pack of Homelands, possibly from Sideboard magazine. I loved the packaging, but even at that young age I knew the cards were bad (they were giving them away for free after all!)

  • @jackiequestionable
    @jackiequestionable 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Each segment Patrick gets more fed up with the devs of this set. By the end he is just “do your jobs!”