One of the most knowledgeable FANS the game has ever known, and an absurdly observant one at that. Just beautiful the way he explains everything in such great detail. THIS is what the owner of a sports team should look like.
The Public Enemy He allowed sexual misconduct and abuse for decades with knowledge of it. He also Promoted somebody when he was aware of allegations against them
Dirk was most effective in post. His footwork and accuracy on that fadeaway jump shot off 1 leg put real fear in men. Wait from him to turn around and it's too late. You can try to jump it and foul him, but he's 90% from the line, so you lose again. And then he has the ability to shoot from range. Yeah, at that point you realize that as a defender that you can't stop your man from putting points on the board and that has such a massive influence on team morale. Something like that is undervalued in today's game. Sure, you can play the analytics card, but true stars of the NBA still post up, they still shoot from 15 feet out, and they put fear into defenders.
In a nutshell, 1) Post up plays are good. One of the ways to score. (the highest percentage) 2) That Post Up player must be able to defend the perimeter as well (If cannot, then it becomes a major problem to his team, like Roy Hibbert, because he moves slow on the perimeter) 3) 3 Point plays are good. Open up the floor 4) If a player can do all 3 above, then he becomes a Unicorn =D 5) The problem of most big guys, they can score on the block, but cannot guard the perimeter. 6) So, Big Man are not gone, they might become a liability on the defensive end. Also, many big guys are not good free throw shooter. And in the clutch moment, if the big guy also cannot shoot 3 point, so they might be subbed out. A trend I see with this year's Lakers: Dwight and Javale are not playing during the last 1 minute of the game. 7) In conclusion: A big guy who can post up, must be able to defend the perimeter [additional advantage: consistent free throw shooter, able to shoot 3 (don't have to be great), and not necessarily can dribble like Steph, just not a liability] 8) Also I notice, big guys can also score by pick and roll to the basket, just like Dwight. You don't have to be like Dirk, if that's not your thing. 9) Big guys who would be superb in today's game : Hakeem, and Garnet
Post ups are only good if you have a guy like Shaq on your team. They have been fading out because they are one of the most inefficient shots in basketball (0.88 points per shot). A post-up shot isn't the same thing as a shot in the paint, like a layup or a dunk. On top of that, if you shoot over someone and miss, it's hard to get the rebound since the center who is defending you is already in front, so unskilled and tall post up players have a hard time getting offensive rebounds. So NBA teams aren't looking for the best post up players in the draft, and those who are good at it are encouraged to move away from those positions. That's why some of the best offensive centers i.e. KAT and Lopez are great 3 point shooters and the best traditional centers i.e. Embiid and Gobert are the best defensive players in the league.
@@annikasurann9274 points per possession isn't always relevant. They ignore stuff like pace and tempo of the game. Slowing the game down vs run and gun teams is invaluable. The problem is there is no big man skilled enough to be dominant in post up situations like hakeem Ewing shaq etc.
Frank Cobbs There were players before him as well, Dirk was the game changer because he carried a team without another current all-star the the finals in 2006 and 2011. He carried a team to 50 games year after year with lots and lots of player turnover on his team. On Jason Terry & Dirk we’re both on the 2006 and 2011 finals teams. This was possible because he was so efficient really on his two point turnaround. Go back and look at the Mavs first round against Kevin Garnett’s Bucks. He averages something like 40 PTS against a great defender that had promised to shut Dirk down. Toni never did anything close to that. He road on MJs coattails.
Out of all these interviews, he's the one that's made the most sense. All the classic post up players from the 90s/00s couldn't guard the perimeter nowadays. That's the main takeaway.
Lol what. David Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Hakeem Olajuwon, Orlando Shaq, and Alonzo Mourning can definetly thrive in this era. They are arguably more athletic than the big men in this era. Oh, and I forgot Charles Barkley who was Zion Williamson in the 80s and early 90s.
Fact: Mark Cuban begged David Stern to enforce a ''Hand Checking Rule'' after the Lakers loss to the highly defensive Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals and they implemented that rule that same year in the following season... which is why nowadays you see alot of tag foul getting called, players barely playing no defense and players jacking up threes easily. Mark is just being a hypocrite talking about the ''Evolution of the Game'' when he himself crying for rule change and gotten it to begin with... if there were no ''Hand Checking Rule'' in today's game, no one would be talking about the ''Decline of the Big Man'' since smaller players will have a hard time jacking up 3 threes at will, also having a harder time moving around and they would not be easily getting ''Tag... your Fouled'' calls... also bigger perimeter players today would have to play more inside than out.
I think the key is that a guy 1) must be extremely good in the post, like all time level good, to be worth to build an offense around him and 2) must be able to contribute offensively in other ways, and not occupy the low post every time making driving more difficult
It is telling that when he is listing all of Dirk's accolades, he doesn't say anything about a post up game. That kind of makes the point that the game is changing.
Larry Bird shot the 3 better than anyone. He still posted up and knocked that shot down from the post against the Lakers. Why? The likelihood of the ball going in was much higher than lobbying it from 25 feet. It is a no brainer, really.
GOAT Sure, I can tell that Steph hit more buzzer beaters in the pressure. You can say he never had to be in that situation. But I would love Steph to hit a buzzer beater winning 3 right before he told the opponent “Hey, I am going to go right here, step back and shoot it right in your face”. I have yet to see Steph hit as many pressure buzzer beaters as Larry Legend. Oh, and have fun watching 2 teams shooting 3’s for like 10 possessions in a row. I change the channel because seeing the ball thrown from 25-27 feet most of the time is just boring.
omar arreola he hit one of the best game winners ever on OKC after having one of the best shooting games ever. It really isn’t a competition to who the best shooter is
Mark is rite about how the game has change I remember, when I was in Junior high school I mostly use to practice 3's and free throw. The mid-range came natural. Come high school I would hit 5 3's per game and the coach would take me out. And I may take 6 3's and make 5.
That happened to one of my buddies in middle school. He was a good shooter and his team was losing in the final game of the season. He attempted a three and coach pulled him, as if to make an example out of him. He kind of got neutered in high school too, even though he could really shoot the rock. "That's for guards" though
He looks like he has medical problem. He changed a lot. Smart man well spoken. I have liked him since he exposed Skip and silenced what they call sport analyst.
This is what overworking for too many years will do to you. Ages you. Too many long hours and too much stress needlessly chasing more wealth, it's a form of addiction.
G V plz dont judge ppl cuz u are not wearing thier shoes. Just imagine how many happy family living out there because they are working for him and themselves. There is no pressure for him, the pressure on those who dont know how they will afford for thier next meal.
Royal Me Cuban has had much more pressure. His organization and many of his other businesses are responsible to provide for the living of 1000s of people. Imagine having that pressure. He just looks a bit tired and of course, he‘s getting older.
I wish him good health, his story is inspirational to me. I don't know about his pressure but I know I should not judge people based on their success or their bank account.
He clearly demonstrates how data and analytics have impacted the game. Basketball has become almost all about percentages and efficiencies. It's very business-minded. How do I get the biggest return with the least amount of effort? The new NBA wants high-scoring games and has eliminated much of the physicality to ensure more points get on the board. This mindset moves away from some of the creative and dynamic elements of the game, the in-game rivalries, and drama that we saw up to the early, mid-2000's.
what about wearing the down the opposing team physically by posting up? points per possession does not account for this, and who cares if the guy guarding the post player can hit threes if he fouls out?
@@rugbyking3133 Dirk is the reason that big men have to defend the perimeter. Steph is arguably the greatest shooter of all time, but he alone doesn't make the center to go outside.
Tun Huang Dirk was only one player and he started doing that since way back then. It was the Warriors Style of running the offense and building it around great perimeter shooters that changed the game. They won 3 chips in 5 tries with that strategy. Of course other teams will emulate that. The 2013-14 Spurs ran a similar more freelance kind of offense. They would pass around and whoever got the best and most open shot would shoot it. Your argumentation is heavily flawed and does not make sense to me.
@@fabolousninenine30 Well for me Dirk is a major reason that players and coaches realize the value of a versatile big man / forward who can shoot from the perimeter. More and more players and teams practiced it and utilized it in the game.
Steph made it so that overall people started taking more 3's, but dirk provided spacing in his championship run for bigmen, like never before and teams realized that it gives them better opportunities for higher percentage shots. I would say it's a combination from both but dirk probably bigger impact for big man and steph a bigger impact on overall nba
Big men in the 80s and 90s shot the ball from the perimeter (Ewing, Smits, Drob, Kareem, Hakeem, McHale, Laimbeer etc) they may not have always been 3s but they shot them enough to be a threat and draw the defense out. So can we please stop the myth that bigs couldn't shoot??? They may not have shot the 3 as much and as efficiently, but they could shoot. You couldn't leave someone like Kevin Willis open, Big Dog used to open up the floor for Malone, Perkins was draining 3s from every corner, just to name a few.
The way Cuban talks you would think hes a former player, coach, gm or scout... but hes a team owner. Take that in, how many other team owners know the sport that well.
@@igyanasimonkey2467 jordan is a former player. I should have clarified I was talking about guys who own teams as business assets first, interest second. Cuban might be the only owner who challenge that dynamic. I think it's great Jordan is an owner and hopefully we'll see stars like lebron, kobe, shaq, magic n maybe even steph do the same in the future but right now it's mostly business men or ownership groups n cuban is a trend setter in that market.
In today's era, Shaq would actually have to get in shape so he could guard out to the 3 point line. That's the big issue with Andre Drummond - he's slow even if he does rebound well.
That’s just that he would be Orlando Shaq he only became la Shaq because hand checking the extra girth helped but In today’s game he would have had to stay in shape
This should be titled decline of post play and mid range not the decline of the Big Man. Everyone in the NBA is big, but the post play of bigs is way underrated. I miss watching footwork and not just a Euro step. When players had to be in their bag to score. Thats what makes Kawhi exciting
Seeing him talk about and give analysis on basketball better than coaches and players makes me think about what my dad told me when I was young. A great businessman is great at everything.
As teams get better at defending against "more space on the court" the analytics will show a decrease in value of this style of play, which will in turn lead to "the return of the post up game." It's all cyclical.
Exactly. If Post Players Can Defend Perimeter players, then they will be relevant again The reason Hibbert and Okafor Failed is because despite they are good post up players, they cannot defend perimeter well. Nba 2k proves this. Create a Post up Center player. As long as you can defend the perimeter, you will dominate
I think this thing gets overestimated simply because big players have simply become more athletic and generally are better shooters, plus smaller guards and forwards have changed the game. It's all true. But premium big men who can score some, but more importantly, guard the paint, will never go out of style. My LA Lakers don't usually play Antonio Davis at Center. They have JaVale Mcgee and sometimes Dwight Howard for that, and eventually Damarcus Cousins when he returns. The Milwaukee Bucks don't play Giannis Antetokounmpo at Center, they have Brook Lopez for that. The Lakers and the Bucks have the best records in the Eastern and Western Conferences and dominate most nights. The only true thing is that you have to be able to defend, and whatever that usually entails.
The problem is how many big guys shoot 40+ percent from the 3 ? Let's say even above 33% ? I really believe that as a coach or defender, you are very happy when guys like Embiid, Giannis, AD etc are taking 3's because they are essentially bailing you out !
The progression made sense. In the 90s, many great centers but none of those teams beat Jordan who didn’t have a dominant center. Then kids were trying to play like Jordan but didn’t stop growing. Those guys were then able to pull defensive big men away from the lane
His explanation just reminds me of Chris Bosh and how dominant he'd be in today's NBA, checking all the boxes of a)shooting 3s b) posting up and c) defending 3s. If only
Chris Bosh was not a good 3 point shooter at all. Mavs just zoned up against Miami because they had no shooters outside Lebron that they’d actually play in 2011. Not much would change
to me, mark's comments about bigs not being able to guard the perimeter tell me that post play will come back when someone makes a defensive breakthrough about how to use zones better to take away the three AND protect the rim. tom thibodeau's defensive schemes changed how defensive rotations worked in the nba and forced offenses to get smarter as team's copied his schemes. there are no defensive geniuses in the league now (though the raptors and nuggets have some pretty interesting philosophies, and the way the warriors protect curry on defense is pretty clever). when the next thibs comes around with a defensive scheme that forces teams to change their perimeter-oriented gameplans, post and mid-range shots will return.
It's crazy how Cuban is the only guy that offered a real analysis and a solution to the question on the video. Shaq, Chuck, Ewing were just lowkey moaning about today's game.
The problem of great post scorers not being able to guard wing players on the perimeter is true most of the time, but Kevin Garnett had no problem getting that done.
It's so refreshing seeing someone on ESPN who actually understands the game and why it changed for the better now compared to all those salty former players who clearly have no idea why the league has gotten to this point and use stupid arguments like softness.
the change is undeniable and everything evolves, but curious as to why you think the change is for the better, players today on average are faster and better ball handlers, but what specifically makes the modern style of play better?
Funny interview since his guy Dirk is the real reason the trend of front court players started running to the 3 point line. Dirk was a 7 foot superstar that never averaged double figures in rebounds due to spending so much time outside the paint. Traditional C position slowly died out soon after Dirk's emergence
I think the real big team was the ‘86 Celtics...Bird, McHale, and Chief and a few minutes of Walton. Guarding on the perimeter works if the offensive players have bad percentages. Being able to play in the post opens so many options. Are you listening Embiid?
Career Fg% Shaq-58% Kareem-56% Hakeem-51% Ewing-50% Robinson-52% Wilt-54% Duncan-50% Barkley- 54% Mchale 55% And not yet considering the fouls and double teams they are getting. Unfortunately, very few dominant Big Men is dominant/skilled today.
Just listing down FG% doesn't mean that it's better to shoot exclusively in the post. You don't take into account that the 3, well, counts as 3 points while shots inside only count as 2 points. If you make Shaq shoot 100 shots with that FG%, he'll get 116 points. If you make Steph Curry shoot 100 3 point shots with his career average of 43.5% he'll score 130 points. And not yet considering how Steph Curry shoots from way outside the line at times.
It’s more than that, you have to look at ts% and ft%. Also can these guys guard the perimeter or the pick and roll. Or if they can space the floor for others. Not saying they wouldn’t be dominant, just that there’s more than just fg%
@@starkk19 obviously not exclusively. It should be balanced imo. So you will have both inside and outside threat. Well, stats didnt also taken into account the draw fouls and forced foul troubles of a dominant Big like Shaq could. I am not against Modern play, emphasizing outside shots, But I disagree that dominant all time post up bigs will not be successful today cause of their playstyle. Additionally, Post Players who can attract doubles can operate kickout to open shooters
People forget that Larry Bird was 6’10 ... even other players like Toni Kukoc, Jack Sigma and Bill Lambeer shot 3’s as “bigs”. Bigs shooting 3’s is not something new...teams today are now more aware of the strategy and the trade off of 2’s vs 3’s.
The game sucks today. I was watching a game the other day and one man was trying to rebound while everyone else ran for the 3 point line. All I see are people shooting and missing a whole bunch of 3’s. I’ve seen more excitement watching paint dry.
That’s why I hate basketball now. I’m miss the days of Ewing and Oakley punishing people who had the audacity to drive in the paint. Posting up and banging inside the paint. That was the real man’s game to basketball. It’s now a sissy sport and women should be able to play with men now .
Mark Cuban won a Championship Ring then disbanded the team. 😞😞😞 He thought if you create enough Salary Cap Space, the Top 10 Star Free Agents would automatically chase the money. Nobody wanted Dallas Mavericks money. Miscalculation
I am a science analytic by myself and funny to see that people are talking about the analytics and talk just about single variables like certain point percentages, the thing is that is pretty dum, single variable cannot tell you nothing, everything is related. if the big guy is shooting threes (or standing there) who is going to rebound (when he miss, or when other player miss) and defend? Dirk was a good player, but how many titles they won with him playing till 40 years? one? when he was getting few minutes? Dirk adopted his game because he was not physical, he was a lean boy... If you want see/understand what is going on in the game, make a structural equation model with mediating and moderating variables and latent variables (i.e. put all important components of the game) and then you will see what is going on.
I think its absolutly insulting that Mark would sit and talk about it, as if the game evolved past people of a certain size. Mark Cuban is one of the principle reasons for the direction the game has taken. He was the one that destroyed hand-checking, he was the one who deemed that extending your arms infront of your body while trying to defend the perimiter was more likely to cause a defensive shooting foul than defending the 3 point line. Think about it. The notion now is: You need to be able to shoot AND do whatever else makes you special. Why? because effective defense isnt possible under the current rules. Why? because without effective defense, you need to be close to a 90% shooter under the basket to remain competative with the 3 point line. BRING BACK DEFENSE!
Everyone denies Shaq single handedly changed the game. The days of Shaq and Tim Duncan are over. No longer will you see a post up game, back to the board. The game is initiated at the three point line and the center is pushed out to open the lane. NBA always wanted a showtime style basketball, a Chicago Bulls style basketball, not a Shaq style basketball pounding the inside.
He nailed it. It's defending the 3 that is key for big men. This is why guys like Roy Hibbert and Mozgov are out of the league, even though both are decent players
Unless another real post player comes up they could fix the current NBA with one simple move. Every failed 3 attempt should result into a subtraction of 1 point. That would add a risk factor to it which could balance the whole 2/3PT statistics quickly.
Kyle Lowry scored 0 PTS. Dirk got bounced in the first round as a 1 seed. This or that team blew a 3-1 lead. We can do this all day. In the end, these guys succeeded. If they didn't, then you can clown them all day but they overcame their low points and climbed to the top. Bringing it up over and over again is just pettines of da highest oda.
It's not that Dirk was too weak to play the post, he was just too good of a shooter to play the post... (even though the first statement corroborates with his rookie year, I still give him a pass)
Shaq and Wilt would absoutely destroy in todays game. Both guys were athletic enough to defend on the perimeter and so big and strong teams simply wouldn't have a matchup to defend them in the post.
So where are the physical American bigs ? Right now there is more international post dominant bigs than American born bigs. Except the international bigs have the benefit at also having the finesse game.
"if a guy is shooting 80% from 2ft from the basket, but on the other side of the court he doesnt give up an open three every time, he's gonna play!" Wink-wink Giannis
Old players were restricted from playing how they wanted to especially the black players of the past. They were held back until Hiphop became marketable. Now we have an over saturation of urban marketing to the world. The rules were changed to incorporate more European players because the American white player had become extinct.
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Remember when he exposed Skip “tremendous pressure” Bayless for not even knowing why teams play a zone lol.
yep, i do remember that.
that was great.^^
Link
@@sidmichael1158 just search for Mark Cuban vs Skip Bayless
One of my favorite NBA moments lol.
Yup!!
One of the most knowledgeable FANS the game has ever known, and an absurdly observant one at that. Just beautiful the way he explains everything in such great detail. THIS is what the owner of a sports team should look like.
The Public Enemy He allowed sexual misconduct and abuse for decades with knowledge of it. He also Promoted somebody when he was aware of allegations against them
GreasyBac there’s no evidence of that, though, and none has ever been provided.
GreasyBac no evidence and completely besides the point, please stop with the hate bud
You said it all!
Mark Cuban never dribbled a basketball one day in his life. GTFOH.
Interviewer: So what do you think about Dirk?
Mark: He’s the greatest!
Interview: Yeah he’s pretty great
Mark: The-Great-EST 😡
Lol
Man if only Mark had grown up as a KNICKS FAN instead we got James "No Love For The Game" Dolan
It doesn't matter which team he was a fan of. It matters what team he could buy at the time. The Mavs were for sale and the Knicks weren't back then.
Facts 💯💯
Arguably the top 3 nba owners . Him, Heat owner and clippers owner.
Espn do more of these
Dirk was most effective in post. His footwork and accuracy on that fadeaway jump shot off 1 leg put real fear in men. Wait from him to turn around and it's too late. You can try to jump it and foul him, but he's 90% from the line, so you lose again. And then he has the ability to shoot from range. Yeah, at that point you realize that as a defender that you can't stop your man from putting points on the board and that has such a massive influence on team morale. Something like that is undervalued in today's game. Sure, you can play the analytics card, but true stars of the NBA still post up, they still shoot from 15 feet out, and they put fear into defenders.
In a nutshell,
1) Post up plays are good. One of the ways to score. (the highest percentage)
2) That Post Up player must be able to defend the perimeter as well (If cannot, then it becomes a major problem to his team, like Roy Hibbert, because he moves slow on the perimeter)
3) 3 Point plays are good. Open up the floor
4) If a player can do all 3 above, then he becomes a Unicorn =D
5) The problem of most big guys, they can score on the block, but cannot guard the perimeter.
6) So, Big Man are not gone, they might become a liability on the defensive end. Also, many big guys are not good free throw shooter. And in the clutch moment, if the big guy also cannot shoot 3 point, so they might be subbed out. A trend I see with this year's Lakers: Dwight and Javale are not playing during the last 1 minute of the game.
7) In conclusion: A big guy who can post up, must be able to defend the perimeter [additional advantage: consistent free throw shooter, able to shoot 3 (don't have to be great), and not necessarily can dribble like Steph, just not a liability]
8) Also I notice, big guys can also score by pick and roll to the basket, just like Dwight. You don't have to be like Dirk, if that's not your thing.
9) Big guys who would be superb in today's game : Hakeem, and Garnet
Hakeem, Wilt, Shaq, Ewing, Rodman, Malone would benefit too.
Post ups are only good if you have a guy like Shaq on your team. They have been fading out because they are one of the most inefficient shots in basketball (0.88 points per shot). A post-up shot isn't the same thing as a shot in the paint, like a layup or a dunk. On top of that, if you shoot over someone and miss, it's hard to get the rebound since the center who is defending you is already in front, so unskilled and tall post up players have a hard time getting offensive rebounds. So NBA teams aren't looking for the best post up players in the draft, and those who are good at it are encouraged to move away from those positions. That's why some of the best offensive centers i.e. KAT and Lopez are great 3 point shooters and the best traditional centers i.e. Embiid and Gobert are the best defensive players in the league.
@@annikasurann9274 points per possession isn't always relevant. They ignore stuff like pace and tempo of the game. Slowing the game down vs run and gun teams is invaluable. The problem is there is no big man skilled enough to be dominant in post up situations like hakeem Ewing shaq etc.
@@fabolousninenine30 Dontt forget David Robinson.
Roy Hibbert was a great low post scorer.
Yall fogot about Tony Kukoc, 6`11 with range, way before Dirk.
Sooooo true
Frank Cobbs There were players before him as well, Dirk was the game changer because he carried a team without another current all-star the the finals in 2006 and 2011. He carried a team to 50 games year after year with lots and lots of player turnover on his team. On Jason Terry & Dirk we’re both on the 2006 and 2011 finals teams. This was possible because he was so efficient really on his two point turnaround. Go back and look at the Mavs first round against Kevin Garnett’s Bucks. He averages something like 40 PTS against a great defender that had promised to shut Dirk down. Toni never did anything close to that. He road on MJs coattails.
@Pyroman / and the first one who was a BEST PLAYER on a team with that style of play. Dirk averaged 25 and 10 all day.
he was not a dominant big man lmao
The difference in handchecking rules is huge. Kukoc was a solid player, but he had way less space than players do today.
Well spoken and so knowledgeable about the game as an owner. Great interview
When you cannot get dirk get the team owner to take the interview
Out of all these interviews, he's the one that's made the most sense. All the classic post up players from the 90s/00s couldn't guard the perimeter nowadays. That's the main takeaway.
Lol what. David Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Hakeem Olajuwon, Orlando Shaq, and Alonzo Mourning can definetly thrive in this era. They are arguably more athletic than the big men in this era.
Oh, and I forgot Charles Barkley who was Zion Williamson in the 80s and early 90s.
Lol you're crazy. The NBA has 5fouls. If you're smaller in the post you'll hack more in order to bring down post shooting % so it evens out
Hakeem definitely could, he’s basically the unicorn he described. My takeaway from this is that Hakeem would be the GOAT in today’s NBA.
Plus low post as a skill set is undeveloped in players.
Fact: Mark Cuban begged David Stern to enforce a ''Hand Checking Rule'' after the Lakers loss to the highly defensive Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals and they implemented that rule that same year in the following season... which is why nowadays you see alot of tag foul getting called, players barely playing no defense and players jacking up threes easily. Mark is just being a hypocrite talking about the ''Evolution of the Game'' when he himself crying for rule change and gotten it to begin with... if there were no ''Hand Checking Rule'' in today's game, no one would be talking about the ''Decline of the Big Man'' since smaller players will have a hard time jacking up 3 threes at will, also having a harder time moving around and they would not be easily getting ''Tag... your Fouled'' calls... also bigger perimeter players today would have to play more inside than out.
I think the key is that a guy 1) must be extremely good in the post, like all time level good, to be worth to build an offense around him and 2) must be able to contribute offensively in other ways, and not occupy the low post every time making driving more difficult
It is telling that when he is listing all of Dirk's accolades, he doesn't say anything about a post up game. That kind of makes the point that the game is changing.
Larry Bird shot the 3 better than anyone. He still posted up and knocked that shot down from the post against the Lakers. Why? The likelihood of the ball going in was much higher than lobbying it from 25 feet. It is a no brainer, really.
At the time...
Now Steph is the best 3 point shooter ever
GOAT Sure, I can tell that Steph hit more buzzer beaters in the pressure. You can say he never had to be in that situation. But I would love Steph to hit a buzzer beater winning 3 right before he told the opponent “Hey, I am going to go right here, step back and shoot it right in your face”. I have yet to see Steph hit as many pressure buzzer beaters as Larry Legend. Oh, and have fun watching 2 teams shooting 3’s for like 10 possessions in a row. I change the channel because seeing the ball thrown from 25-27 feet most of the time is just boring.
omar arreola he hit one of the best game winners ever on OKC after having one of the best shooting games ever. It really isn’t a competition to who the best shooter is
omar arreola Stick to church mate basketball ain’t for you
@@peat381low8 I prefer watching someone shoot 3s than someone post up
Mark is rite about how the game has change I remember, when I was in Junior high school I mostly use to practice 3's and free throw. The mid-range came natural. Come high school I would hit 5 3's per game and the coach would take me out. And I may take 6 3's and make 5.
That happened to one of my buddies in middle school. He was a good shooter and his team was losing in the final game of the season. He attempted a three and coach pulled him, as if to make an example out of him. He kind of got neutered in high school too, even though he could really shoot the rock. "That's for guards" though
Well said!!!! There you have it 100%
One of the best NBA owners today. He's very pro player
Mark knows ALOT about basketball! everytime he talks about the game im all ears.. he has alot of passion aswell..
B Wade because he’s a fan first
He looks like he has medical problem. He changed a lot. Smart man well spoken. I have liked him since he exposed Skip and silenced what they call sport analyst.
This is what overworking for too many years will do to you. Ages you. Too many long hours and too much stress needlessly chasing more wealth, it's a form of addiction.
G V plz dont judge ppl cuz u are not wearing thier shoes. Just imagine how many happy family living out there because they are working for him and themselves. There is no pressure for him, the pressure on those who dont know how they will afford for thier next meal.
@@HamoodiClash my bad Mark. Just learn to relax more, we all like you. Can't take it with you big guy
Royal Me Cuban has had much more pressure. His organization and many of his other businesses are responsible to provide for the living of 1000s of people. Imagine having that pressure.
He just looks a bit tired and of course, he‘s getting older.
I wish him good health, his story is inspirational to me. I don't know about his pressure but I know I should not judge people based on their success or their bank account.
He clearly demonstrates how data and analytics have impacted the game. Basketball has become almost all about percentages and efficiencies. It's very business-minded. How do I get the biggest return with the least amount of effort? The new NBA wants high-scoring games and has eliminated much of the physicality to ensure more points get on the board. This mindset moves away from some of the creative and dynamic elements of the game, the in-game rivalries, and drama that we saw up to the early, mid-2000's.
what about wearing the down the opposing team physically by posting up? points per possession does not account for this, and who cares if the guy guarding the post player can hit threes if he fouls out?
A lot of the post up moves would end up an offensive foul today. Guys flying out of the court if they are touched by a finger.
Dirk Nowitzki is the main reason for the decline of the big man.
He deserves more credit arguably the most underrated player of all time.
Yashas Kashyap I don’t think he’s the reason
Steph is the reason. Classic Big men still won championships in his era
But he started it
@@rugbyking3133 Dirk is the reason that big men have to defend the perimeter. Steph is arguably the greatest shooter of all time, but he alone doesn't make the center to go outside.
Tun Huang Dirk was only one player and he started doing that since way back then.
It was the Warriors Style of running the offense and building it around great perimeter shooters that changed the game.
They won 3 chips in 5 tries with that strategy. Of course other teams will emulate that.
The 2013-14 Spurs ran a similar more freelance kind of offense. They would pass around and whoever got the best and most open shot would shoot it.
Your argumentation is heavily flawed and does not make sense to me.
@@fabolousninenine30 Well for me Dirk is a major reason that players and coaches realize the value of a versatile big man / forward who can shoot from the perimeter. More and more players and teams practiced it and utilized it in the game.
Steph made it so that overall people started taking more 3's, but dirk provided spacing in his championship run for bigmen, like never before and teams realized that it gives them better opportunities for higher percentage shots. I would say it's a combination from both but dirk probably bigger impact for big man and steph a bigger impact on overall nba
Big men in the 80s and 90s shot the ball from the perimeter (Ewing, Smits, Drob, Kareem, Hakeem, McHale, Laimbeer etc) they may not have always been 3s but they shot them enough to be a threat and draw the defense out. So can we please stop the myth that bigs couldn't shoot??? They may not have shot the 3 as much and as efficiently, but they could shoot. You couldn't leave someone like Kevin Willis open, Big Dog used to open up the floor for Malone, Perkins was draining 3s from every corner, just to name a few.
Best explanation of analytics I've ever heard!
It sounds like a cope out instead of an explanation.
@@nymike06 why's that?
The way Cuban talks you would think hes a former player, coach, gm or scout... but hes a team owner. Take that in, how many other team owners know the sport that well.
R. B. Grateful that he coaches the Mavs! 🙌🏾
I can only think of one more. The owner of the hornets.
@@igyanasimonkey2467 jordan is a former player. I should have clarified I was talking about guys who own teams as business assets first, interest second. Cuban might be the only owner who challenge that dynamic. I think it's great Jordan is an owner and hopefully we'll see stars like lebron, kobe, shaq, magic n maybe even steph do the same in the future but right now it's mostly business men or ownership groups n cuban is a trend setter in that market.
In today's era, Shaq would actually have to get in shape so he could guard out to the 3 point line. That's the big issue with Andre Drummond - he's slow even if he does rebound well.
Orlando shaq would kill in this era lakers shaq wouldn’t he would get destroyed on pnr and pnp man was really 350
350 pound Shaq would have struggled defensively but Orlando Shaq, that was another thing entirely.
That’s just that he would be Orlando Shaq he only became la Shaq because hand checking the extra girth helped but In today’s game he would have had to stay in shape
This should be titled decline of post play and mid range not the decline of the Big Man. Everyone in the NBA is big, but the post play of bigs is way underrated. I miss watching footwork and not just a Euro step. When players had to be in their bag to score. Thats what makes Kawhi exciting
Seeing him talk about and give analysis on basketball better than coaches and players makes me think about what my dad told me when I was young. A great businessman is great at everything.
Growing up......You really go 3,2,1
He shoots..... and he scoressss
As teams get better at defending against "more space on the court" the analytics will show a decrease in value of this style of play, which will in turn lead to "the return of the post up game." It's all cyclical.
Toni kukoc must think i wish i born 20years later
Exactly.
If Post Players Can Defend Perimeter players, then they will be relevant again
The reason Hibbert and Okafor Failed is because despite they are good post up players, they cannot defend perimeter well.
Nba 2k proves this. Create a Post up Center player. As long as you can defend the perimeter, you will dominate
I think this thing gets overestimated simply because big players have simply become more athletic and generally are better shooters, plus smaller guards and forwards have changed the game. It's all true. But premium big men who can score some, but more importantly, guard the paint, will never go out of style. My LA Lakers don't usually play Antonio Davis at Center. They have JaVale Mcgee and sometimes Dwight Howard for that, and eventually Damarcus Cousins when he returns. The Milwaukee Bucks don't play Giannis Antetokounmpo at Center, they have Brook Lopez for that. The Lakers and the Bucks have the best records in the Eastern and Western Conferences and dominate most nights. The only true thing is that you have to be able to defend, and whatever that usually entails.
He is probably one of the coolest Billionaries ever. Like he is a sports guy and no billionaires are like that
I love mark Cuban... he's probably the most knowledgeable and most involved team owner in sports... the man is a genius
The problem is how many big guys shoot 40+ percent from the 3 ? Let's say even above 33% ?
I really believe that as a coach or defender, you are very happy when guys like Embiid, Giannis, AD etc are taking 3's because they are essentially bailing you out !
That is always Charles Barkley's Point!!!
The progression made sense. In the 90s, many great centers but none of those teams beat Jordan who didn’t have a dominant center. Then kids were trying to play like Jordan but didn’t stop growing. Those guys were then able to pull defensive big men away from the lane
He’s so biased, but that’s what makes it entertaining 🤣🤣
he loves his team total contract to Dolan
The dirk interview coming we waiting
Today's DET v BKN game had intense interior play between Drummond and Allen
Very wise Mr Cuban
nothing worst than watching a 7fter settle for a 3pt shot. in my opinion it hurts the game.
Let me borrow some money.
His explanation just reminds me of Chris Bosh and how dominant he'd be in today's NBA, checking all the boxes of a)shooting 3s b) posting up and c) defending 3s. If only
Chris Bosh was not a good 3 point shooter at all. Mavs just zoned up against Miami because they had no shooters outside Lebron that they’d actually play in 2011. Not much would change
That's stupid because you have players who have no business shooting
If they can't shoot and they can't defend they just don't get playing time.
to me, mark's comments about bigs not being able to guard the perimeter tell me that post play will come back when someone makes a defensive breakthrough about how to use zones better to take away the three AND protect the rim. tom thibodeau's defensive schemes changed how defensive rotations worked in the nba and forced offenses to get smarter as team's copied his schemes. there are no defensive geniuses in the league now (though the raptors and nuggets have some pretty interesting philosophies, and the way the warriors protect curry on defense is pretty clever). when the next thibs comes around with a defensive scheme that forces teams to change their perimeter-oriented gameplans, post and mid-range shots will return.
He makes absolute since.. No one talks about how that post playing big is a liability on defense
It's crazy how Cuban is the only guy that offered a real analysis and a solution to the question on the video. Shaq, Chuck, Ewing were just lowkey moaning about today's game.
Shaq will have no one to guard when people guarding him all foul out.
@NBA on ESPN you made a spelling mistake at 5:03
The problem of great post scorers not being able to guard wing players on the perimeter is true most of the time, but Kevin Garnett had no problem getting that done.
It's so refreshing seeing someone on ESPN who actually understands the game and why it changed for the better now compared to all those salty former players who clearly have no idea why the league has gotten to this point and use stupid arguments like softness.
the change is undeniable and everything evolves, but curious as to why you think the change is for the better, players today on average are faster and better ball handlers, but what specifically makes the modern style of play better?
Funny interview since his guy Dirk is the real reason the trend of front court players started running to the 3 point line. Dirk was a 7 foot superstar that never averaged double figures in rebounds due to spending so much time outside the paint. Traditional C position slowly died out soon after Dirk's emergence
This is why Mark Cuban is the best owner in NBA history dude knows the game. He could literally take over as coach
I think the real big team was the ‘86 Celtics...Bird, McHale, and Chief and a few minutes of Walton.
Guarding on the perimeter works if the offensive players have bad percentages. Being able to play in the post opens so many options. Are you listening Embiid?
Analytics will be the death of this sport. Who want's to watch team shotting threes all the game with stat lines like 14-57...
Career Fg%
Shaq-58%
Kareem-56%
Hakeem-51%
Ewing-50%
Robinson-52%
Wilt-54%
Duncan-50%
Barkley- 54%
Mchale 55%
And not yet considering the fouls and double teams they are getting.
Unfortunately, very few dominant Big Men is dominant/skilled today.
Just listing down FG% doesn't mean that it's better to shoot exclusively in the post. You don't take into account that the 3, well, counts as 3 points while shots inside only count as 2 points. If you make Shaq shoot 100 shots with that FG%, he'll get 116 points. If you make Steph Curry shoot 100 3 point shots with his career average of 43.5% he'll score 130 points.
And not yet considering how Steph Curry shoots from way outside the line at times.
It’s more than that, you have to look at ts% and ft%. Also can these guys guard the perimeter or the pick and roll. Or if they can space the floor for others. Not saying they wouldn’t be dominant, just that there’s more than just fg%
@@niganeo1251 i know. But i dont have time to out all the advanced stats here. Oh my cooment was already 1 year old. lol
@@starkk19 obviously not exclusively. It should be balanced imo. So you will have both inside and outside threat.
Well, stats didnt also taken into account the draw fouls and forced foul troubles of a dominant Big like Shaq could.
I am not against Modern play, emphasizing outside shots, But I disagree that dominant all time post up bigs will not be successful today cause of their playstyle.
Additionally, Post Players who can attract doubles can operate kickout to open shooters
You guys need to get Dirk for one of those. Brooke Lopez and Dwight Howard would also make great interviews.
I disagree on some of the reasoning. Alot is due to the change in NBA rules.
"what can he do on the otherside?" Protect the paint?
I know Dirk is his favorite player. They are like family.
Please bring Porzingis back into the paint. His 3's are not needed much (and he is not shooting great). Rick Carlisle needs to rethink his statement
Centers shoot 3's and gaurds post up
People forget that Larry Bird was 6’10 ... even other players like Toni Kukoc, Jack Sigma and Bill Lambeer shot 3’s as “bigs”.
Bigs shooting 3’s is not something new...teams today are now more aware of the strategy and the trade off of 2’s vs 3’s.
Mark Cuban knows his basketball!
The game sucks today. I was watching a game the other day and one man was trying to rebound while everyone else ran for the 3 point line. All I see are people shooting and missing a whole bunch of 3’s. I’ve seen more excitement watching paint dry.
Thank the Warriors! They popularized the pace and space.
I think you'll find Eric Spoelstra opening the floor for Wade and Lebron did that.
Nash and the suns
Joel Embiid laughing rn eating people I the post
'post game surivive' Hey, professional media organization--I'll edit your work if you pay me.
That’s why I hate basketball now. I’m miss the days of Ewing and Oakley punishing people who had the audacity to drive in the paint. Posting up and banging inside the paint. That was the real man’s game to basketball. It’s now a sissy sport and women should be able to play with men now .
But some giant scarecrow describing circles in the air with his palms - what's more provided with some decent shoot - will always be appreciated!
Mark Cuban won a Championship Ring then disbanded the team. 😞😞😞
He thought if you create enough Salary Cap Space, the Top 10 Star Free Agents would automatically chase the money.
Nobody wanted Dallas Mavericks money.
Miscalculation
Clearly its going alright
Dirk could’ve won one more. That okc team going to the finals shouldn’t have happened
All it will take is 1 dominant big-man that has an elite post-game and can hit free-throws and this current NBA goes right on to the trash bin.
wot like Giannis ow wait there is kawhi
I am a science analytic by myself and funny to see that people are talking about the analytics and talk just about single variables like certain point percentages, the thing is that is pretty dum, single variable cannot tell you nothing, everything is related. if the big guy is shooting threes (or standing there) who is going to rebound (when he miss, or when other player miss) and defend? Dirk was a good player, but how many titles they won with him playing till 40 years? one? when he was getting few minutes? Dirk adopted his game because he was not physical, he was a lean boy... If you want see/understand what is going on in the game, make a structural equation model with mediating and moderating variables and latent variables (i.e. put all important components of the game) and then you will see what is going on.
do it for us bro
I think its absolutly insulting that Mark would sit and talk about it, as if the game evolved past people of a certain size.
Mark Cuban is one of the principle reasons for the direction the game has taken.
He was the one that destroyed hand-checking, he was the one who deemed that extending your arms infront of your body while trying to defend the perimiter was more likely to cause a defensive shooting foul than defending the 3 point line.
Think about it.
The notion now is: You need to be able to shoot AND do whatever else makes you special.
Why? because effective defense isnt possible under the current rules.
Why? because without effective defense, you need to be close to a 90% shooter under the basket to remain competative with the 3 point line.
BRING BACK DEFENSE!
Everyone denies Shaq single handedly changed the game. The days of Shaq and Tim Duncan are over. No longer will you see a post up game, back to the board. The game is initiated at the three point line and the center is pushed out to open the lane. NBA always wanted a showtime style basketball, a Chicago Bulls style basketball, not a Shaq style basketball pounding the inside.
Mark is tiered!
He nailed it. It's defending the 3 that is key for big men. This is why guys like Roy Hibbert and Mozgov are out of the league, even though both are decent players
mark cuban killed the center position with the rule changes in the mid 90s
He said Jack Sikma, a forgotten big man who could shoot, he had game
Unless another real post player comes up they could fix the current NBA with one simple move. Every failed 3 attempt should result into a subtraction of 1 point. That would add a risk factor to it which could balance the whole 2/3PT statistics quickly.
please add karl malone on these interview he is also postplayer yaknow?
Kai watch this vids man
Remember when LeFraud got outplayed by jason terry in the finals. Yet his delusional fans calls him the goat
Delusional huh?
Wow, you really hate LeBron with a passion
MJ got outplayed by Bill laimbeer lmaooooo
Ka Kjj Jordan got outplayed by a bench player in game 5 of 89 ECF. Let that sink in
Kyle Lowry scored 0 PTS. Dirk got bounced in the first round as a 1 seed. This or that team blew a 3-1 lead. We can do this all day.
In the end, these guys succeeded. If they didn't, then you can clown them all day but they overcame their low points and climbed to the top. Bringing it up over and over again is just pettines of da highest oda.
But who's shooting 50% from 3?
Maybe he meant open 3s.
For example if a 7 footer who can't move quickly guards steph curry, than most of his 3 point shots are open.
It's not that Dirk was too weak to play the post, he was just too good of a shooter to play the post... (even though the first statement corroborates with his rookie year, I still give him a pass)
Post Fadeaway is a post up shot
Shaq and Wilt would absoutely destroy in todays game. Both guys were athletic enough to defend on the perimeter and so big and strong teams simply wouldn't have a matchup to defend them in the post.
European BIGS always feared physical contact. 😀😀😀
A lot of 6'10 finesse players.
So where are the physical American bigs ? Right now there is more international post dominant bigs than American born bigs. Except the international bigs have the benefit at also having the finesse game.
@@danielbradburn6214 International is different from European. 😀😀😀
@@deandrepage1048 European and international bigs have similar games bro. They're taught to play like guards and share the ball, regardless of height
zaza pachulia feared no man
There is plenty more tough European big guys than soft.
The dream did everything right then and would now
That 3 is not even needed
versatile players will draw contact
Blame Rick Pitino for Kentucky for this ⛹🏾⛹🏻⛹🏿
"if a guy is shooting 80% from 2ft from the basket, but on the other side of the court he doesnt give up an open three every time, he's gonna play!" Wink-wink Giannis
Are u saying that as a knock on giannis or a complement its honestly hard to tell.
Old players were restricted from playing how they wanted to especially the black players of the past. They were held back until Hiphop became marketable. Now we have an over saturation of urban marketing to the world. The rules were changed to incorporate more European players because the American white player had become extinct.
It would be a better game without the three point shot. Why should it be worth more? It is not more difficult to shoot a three point shot.
THE BIG MEN FROM THE SOVIET UNION WERE THE FIRST MEN TO SHOOT THE BALL FROM THE OUTSIDE BACK IN THE 1960'S.
michael dillard Arvydas Sabonis. 7’3” and had 3pt shot.
Mark Cuban Gets DESTROYED By Megyn Kelly
The constant rule changes allowed guys like to dirk to be flourish soo much more.
What big guy can guard the 3 consistently???? I'll wait
Gainnis and AD
Giannis,AD
Giannis is a long 3 guard not a big man...as good of footwork as ad has he not guarding the three like that
Um.....André Drummond??!!! Ever heard of him?