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- Coilovers are one of the most popular Porsche 964 modifications. How do they perform on a Porsche 964? In this video I look at ride height and settings and do a KW V3 test on the road.
And I'll answer the question of KW V3 versus Bilstein PSS10 - or at least give my opinion on which I think is better.
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Such a wonderfully spec’d car. The color, the tyres. Great stuff, Andy!
Ah thanks a bunch Jay!
Just had KW V3 fitted to my 964 Targa. Same set up as you and it now drives amazing. Soft enough for comfort but stiff enough to handle well. Thanks dude 👍🏻
964 Targa! Love them. What colour?
@@lastrasp Forest green metallic with linen. Went out today with the new set-up, so much more confidence, loving it 👍 check me out on insta @porsche964targa
@@davidv1612 Oh man what a combo! Gorgeous car! Looks lovely.
Hi Andy - great video. I’ve got KW v3s on my 964 also; your descriptions of their handling are spot on and well put - you nailed it. I drove a stock 964 a little while back - the difference in the flatness / stability in cornering and braking that the KWs give the car is phenomenal.
I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the KWs in comparison to the Bilsteins, having had them both on the same car. Like you, a number of my friends have chosen to go the Bilstein route.
Thanks David. Definitely all about personal preference. My comparison is definitely my opinion only. Sounds like you’re happy with the V3’s on your car!
Got them on my bitchy 930 ;-)
Another great drop Andy, the shoe click is a nice touch, glad I’m not alone on that!
Gotta look after those interiors, right? 😉
Nice review dude! Just bought a 90' C4 w/77K. Planning on replacing the suspension in the near future. Interesting comparison to the PSS10's. My last 993 I owned had PSS9's and they felt crashy. I know the 10's are a little more adjustable, but still wasn't the right feel. Good for DE's though-too harsh on the street. I like your points with these V3's for the 964 thought! Great channel. Sub'd! Cheers from the PNW, USA.
Hey Brian. Thanks so much for the comment (and subscription!). As I’ve said to a few people, the difference between the Bilsteins and KW’s isn’t night and day but the subtle differences really do favour KW in my opinion. Definitely glad I made the move! Thanks again for checking out the channel!
Another great video Andy!! 🙌🙌🙌
Thanks so much Pal! Good to get 2021's first vid done!
I ran B16 PSS10's on my BMW and I've just had to cut my losses and move to KW V3's. I pick the car up tomorrow so I'm eager to see the difference. The B16's for me were far too harsh on the front making the rear completely unsettled and super bouncy no matter how you set them up. Then comes build quality and CS, I've had to make 3 claims in my 2 years of ownership, 1 cracked rear spring, 2 rear shocks seizing on the dampener adjuster (internal valve failure) and then the fronts have begun to lean causing dangerous handling. Bilstein CS want over 3 months to refurb the hardware each time under warranty, they are super arrogant over the phone and tell you to just be patient (which I am.. but 3 months without a car?). Enough was enough, I've sunk another £2,300 and I'm praying for a better experience over at KW
Be interesting to hear how they compare on a BMW. As I say in the vid, it's not like it's a night and day experience. I never had any reliability issues with the Bilsteins thankfully. I think you'll be pleased with the ride on the KW's.
@@lastrasp As you say, the difference isn't night and day, but it is noticeably nicer. If I want the same level of stiffness on the fronts I can dial them up to be similar, however the lower settings feel to have the same level of precision but with a lot less crash. There's hardly any bounce now and I would presume that's thanks to the individual rebound control, same with body roll and brake dive.. zero. The quality really stands out for me, especially with height adjustability, I can now do the rears without having to strip the wheel liner and the fronts can even be done by hand without the tool.
@@producerlawson Oh yeah, height adjustment on the PSS10's is brutal!
4000$ Canadian kw v3 ordered for my b7 rs4 nothing but the best for the b7 rs4 :-) Great video beautiful car Bro !!!!!
Oh yeah, LOVE the RS4. They'll be a great match for it!
another great vid Andy.. I'm currently running H&R coil overs and just about to fit H&R sways this weekend.. looking forward to the outcome as V3's have been on my watch list but wanted to try the complete H&R set up before taking the plunge as the car already the coils overs on it... after watching this vid I'll be going the V3 route if I'm not 100% happy :)
I’ll be really interested to hear how you go with that. H&R’s will make quite the change. 25mm rear, yeah? Let me know how it goes.
@@lastrasp it's 24mm front and 26mm rear.. let's see :)
@@TomJVW Hi Tom, I am thinking to get H&R Street Perf. coilovers and interested in your feeling of riding yours.
@@hyde4376 Hi, yeah I'm really happy so far and the sway bars with the Tarett drop links tightened up things nicely. Car is great out on the road with spirited driving and not so stiff that it's a bone rattler, just waiting for the next chance to get on track to see what she's like when really pushed.. I've taken quite a bit of weight out of the car so that also has an affect..
@@TomJVW great to hear it’s working out for you!
- Are the drop link and sway bar required to work with the coilovers, or just as add-ons?
- On a scale of 1-10, 1 is super soft, 10 super stiff, what’s the rate of H&R (Street Performance Coilover) ?
- And are you seeing yourself in the need to upgrade to V3?
The KW Clubsport version is also a Worth considering. It shares its valving with the race version and is excellent value for money. I have them fitted to my 964C2 and the damping control and ride are excellent. If you want a car that is firm but comfortable on the road and very capable on track, I’d seriously recommend the Clubsport option
Yeah I’ve heard this from a few people. They do sound great. Given the poor quality of our roads and the fact that I’ve only done two track days in the car, the V3 is a really nice middle ground.
Another great video Andy. I’m still on the fence for my suspension refresh this year. Where I live it’s pretty flat so not much for twisty roads. However , some of the roads are terribly paved haha
Yeah it’s one thing I’d meant to say about fitting coilovers - the important thing is to consider how you use your car and what you need from it. When I got the car it had stock suspension with H&R lowering springs. Had a pretty good stance and decent ride.
@@lastrasp yeah I’m currently on the b16 and H&R setup now. I like the feel but for a 30yr old car it’s definitely tired. I should prolly just DM on IG but since I’m here. Did you do camber plates?
@@964Luftballoon no I didn’t. I’ve fitted the ERP Bumpsteer tie rods but no other mods.
Great review. Appreciate the insight 👍🏻
Hey thanks so much for the comment! Hope people get something out of these reviews. I’m no expert!
The KW V3 was extensively developed almost exclusively on an RS America. The ohlin's and PSS10's are not the ideal set ups for a base 964 C2 platform. They (KW) did a great job making an affordable and better performing option.
I didn’t know that! Great info, thank you. I looked at Ohlins but found it very difficult to get a sense of how low they’d go and whether they’d fit with my E88’s.
I can totaly agree on all of your points! The rebound adjustment, espacially on the rear ones, is a nightmare :D ... but one question remains...
did you dye the 12o'clock marking on your momo from yellow to black, or did it came that way? :P
Haha. Fair question! It’s a custom Mod07 (check out my top 10 modifications vid😉). I was able to order it custom direct from the Momo website.
Shortly after commenting, I finished watching all of your stuff and found out by my self :D thanks nonetheless! Great car you got there!
@@mitja12321 glad you found the channel!
Why didn't you try to revalve the PSS10? Enjoyably content, thanks.
Fair point. But honestly I had spent a lot of money on setup at that point and didn't want to continue throwing money at the problem. So at that point I decided it was time to change direction. I'd had conversations with specialists including Joey Seeley at e-motion and KW V3's were recommended by pretty much everybody.
Great review!
Hey thanks so much Spencer, really appreciate it!
Did Porsche install the KWs? My local Porsche recommend Bilsteins on my 997 C2S. I prefer KWs actually.
My local independent Porsche service shop did the install. It's possible the Bilsteins would be a good solution on the 997. Like I mentioned in the vid, I've driven a 993 with PSS10's and really liked it so I'd take my review as being specific to the 964 C4. Others may have similar feedback though...
I would love to choose PASM
That’d be nice.
Good video and content for 964 owners. Makes me laugh when shaking the shoes! I am not the only maniac... hahaha
Funny part is my interior is actually not even that nice!
thx for making this vid.. I've been on the fence about purchasing thises for my daily driver a 06 BMW 530xit Sport wagon.. it has 19 x 9 wheels and needs lowering and a more comfy ride.
The only thing that concerns me is that I have Self Leveling suspension in the rear.. and i dont know if these will fit... some shops say Yes some say No..
Would you have any knowledge about my situation?
Thanks
Joe
NYC
Hey there Joe. Oh mate this sounds like a tricky one to solve. I don’t have any info that would be of use here. I find it hard to imagine how self leveling suspension would interface with coilovers but I could be wrong. Start with KW. Do they offer a package for your specific car?
@@lastrasp I did just that and they assured me it will be a better ride than OEM ;)
@@stateniland spoken with your BMW mechanic?
@@lastrasp I'm dealing with a suspension specialist.. BMW mechanics aren't too swift with aftermarket stuff.. THANKS! Joe
What exactly is ash felt?
The road surface
@@lastrasp Oh is that what they call it lmao. Just so u know how to pronounce words its ASH-FAULT being spelled Asphalt.... There is no FELT in that word anywhere.
Curious to know the settings for your bounce and rebound
I'd like to try (your settings) on my V3's
Thanks in advance
Hey there mate. Thanks for the comment. Check the vid - my settings including compression and rebound are explained 👌🏼
@@lastrasp
Excellent Thankyou Sir
Gonna Try these settings on my SS
(Also-did you notice any "squeaks" from any corners) Some BMW Owners, have made mention of same(from their KW's)
One whatsoever. Quiet as a mouse!
Settings will depend on your car. Obviously mine are setup for my car’s weight distribution.
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Cheers Anthony! Appreciate the comments.
@@lastrasp i own a 1987 911 carrera convertable and im definitely going kW your 964 is awesome 👌 👏 😎
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Great stuff, thanks so much Ben!
Another great video, Andy! 👊👊
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻thank you sir. Nice one dropping later this week.