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As a Thai dude, I want to say thank you to all the respectful comments towards the Thai people and culture. There aren't many out there that I see on many Thai videos so I just had to say thanks
***** Lmao when did I say I'm not proud of being Thai. I have an amazing family back there in Chaiyaphum. Plus, there's lots of problems with our country, there's no country without problems. I envy taht you live in Aus tbh tho lol I'm sitting in the US
+Igetmoney You should go there, some of them are hard, but there are a lot of malnourished 5'4" dudes just trying to survive off of whatever they can get from tourists. Great place to vacation if you don't let them talk you into paying way to much for bullshit. Go to Chiang Mai if you want reasonable bartering; there are a lot of old women who will overcharge like a motherfucker for basic shit you can get anywhere. This frog-lady tried to sell me a wooden frog instrument for 200 Baht when you can get one for like 20 anywhere other than fucking Bangkok.
hah you comment is so unrelated to mine, but I did find it useful. a friend of mine from Thai box training said I should go there too and get to one of those training camps, he had been there and said had an amazing experience
Occasionally, when Vice isn't busy putting out the latest garbage fads the hipsters in New York are into, they still produce really interesting stuff like this.
Exactly, vice has some of the best content ever like the UK fraud video, the iceland giants video and the krokodile video ect, I really wish they go back and do more stuff like this it's some of the best content on youtube.
You must be proud of yourself for failing at making a real video documentary of human life. Make one about meditation. Bet you can’t make one. Or about Emmanuel, whichever, you know nothing about. So, go study, go look and do something real.
This is great honestly. Violent tendencies don't just go away, so why not channel that violence into something more productive? Martial arts takes discipline, and discipline is a key factor in controlling impulsive violence. Its a win win for the inmates and the prison really if you think about it, the prison makes money, and the prisoners learn curve their violent tendencies and become an accepted part of society again. Bravo if you ask me.
And they learn to fight better, very good. Our killers would be even better at it...No need for gun they would kill with their hands. Better teach them something else. Bodybulding for exemple help control violence too but doesn t teach to fight (exept to fight against yourself)
stronger715 Not really. It teaches discipline, that is one of the key principles of martial arts. Hardly anyone who is trained in martial arts uses it unless they absolutely have too. The values it carries with it are too strong.
@@tunod- people are not just violent by nature in the sense that they commit crimes for fun. Material conditions play a big role in these things so bettering their focus on something positive will help a lot. You can see this clearly: prison systems focussed on punishment leads to many more repeaters of crime than prisons focussed on rehabilitation.
I've been doing Martial Arts as a 50+ year old man for 3 years. This summer, I took some Muay Thai lessons and mostly I use it as cardio on a heavy bag and to break up monotony of Taekwondo Poomsae. Anyone that thinks Martial Arts will make someone more violent is mistaken. Martial Arts makes an individual into a more disciplined person, and all forms stress the defensive nature of the Art of Self-Defense. Muay Thai, on the other hand, is competition based, and they are some of the most well-conditioned and disciplined people I have ever met.
I lived in Thailand as a teacher doing ABC with Thai kids for a job. They take muai Thai really seriously and why not? Its far from barbaric. They are lovely people and muai thai is so much more civilised and respectful than western boxing. They kick the shit out of each other but its just sport. If you see how Thai fighters respect anyone who gets into the ring with them because they know that it takes courage and accepting pain for a sport. The thais are genuinely nice people even muai thai fighters.
@Lord Voldemort its about 7 deaths from mma since 2001 and that includes unsanctioned. Compared to a tonne from boxing. Joe rogan spoke about it (I know that's not gospel) but good points were raised. It's smaller gloves and the hits are not in the same place and less volume. I just wiki'd it but that's all sourced about.
Seriously? You want to say its so much more "respectful" than boxing? That in itself, being that you were a teacher, is disrespectful. As a boxer, the sport is very respectful, we train hard at my gym, 3 hours a day 6 days a week. Sparring almost every day, lots of focus on footwork, proper striking form, theres always something to correct. and @Lord Voldemort they each have their places in skill. A Muay Thai fighter cannot outstrike a Boxer, a Boxer cannot beat a Muay Thai fighter in Muay Thai. One of our biggest rules is to not compare yourself to anyone else, so I dont understand why to try and compare the sports? That goes against the respect that martial arts is supposed to instill in you. Just show your respects for Muay Thai, no need to bring in and downplay Boxing.
I’ve got friends in thailand that start boxing at the age of 4-5.. These men are born fighters and 75% of men in thailand can fight. Most of them are very humble and peaceful until you pick a fight with them.
This prison fight program is brilliant. this rehabilitation experiment makes the most sense. refocusing the violent nature of the incarcerated and actually giving them an outlet to BE something. Muay Thai takes hella discipline, focus, determination, and many more skills - I think this is F*ckin brilliant. Thanks VICE!!! Your journalism is the best.....
All of you people criticising the idea of training the inmates in Muay Thai have obviously never entered any kind of martial art. MT, boxing etc will not encourage short tempers or aggressive attitudes - the opposite is true. These disciplines are exactly that: disciplines. They encourage self control. Anger is essentially 'unlearned' as it is the most counter-productive attitude. These people will emerge as physically and mentally stronger, healthier - not more violent. The only truly damaging thing here is the failed social experiment that is the prison system.
it's sad that deep down almost everyone,except adepts in a martial art,think martial arts are only a tool to be an effective streetfighter who can be a douchebag with a substance...
Blah b I beg to differ , This is Thailand's national sport they learn this from a young age. They are just a portion of the population but majority of the fighters are not in prison. Its like saying weight lifting makes prisoners violent in other prisons. They already are trained from a young age the way europeans or latin americans play football.
Blah b No criminals train like a para-military they don't really compete in fighting sports. Anyone can learn to box or kickbox its the same way they can be trained to drive cars or shoot guns. Fighting is a small part of the criminal problem so small its not even a issue. Your point has very little weight, these guys aren't in prison because they were fighting they're just like a football player who goes to prison but still has the skill that got him there. No link from any data around the world shows organized crime and combat sports.More data shows people joining the military or one or two members getting training and then training multiple others in the same way. It has nothing to do with organized fighting as a whole .
NewGoldStandard he’s just cocky and showing off, I was personally hoping for a knock out after that. It shows a more American way of fighting, with a lot less respect for the other fighter than in more traditional arts
many years ago, when i watched this documentary for the first time, those scenes got engrained into my brain. it was all so foreign to me, so different than anything i ever did as a lifelong martial artist myself. it never left me and i came back to this documentary regularly. present time, i compete in muay thai myself
The man at 5:22 doing the Wai Kru is named Sagat. He's a legend from the Golden Age of Muay Thai, and more famously known as the actual inspiration for the Street Fighter Character, Sagat. His fight record: 317 Wins 266 By knockout 151 Losses 40 Draws 11
Ha in the late 80s my uncle fought over 300 amateur-pro fights, won the golden gloves award aswell for boxing. Sad that there wasn't mainstream buzz around it then or he would surely be known today.
...yeah, different guy ...the taunt guy won his fight - the guy that went down lost his. They look very similar though ...slim white guy, cropped hair cut, black shorts.
@@maxymooo Teaches them discipline, respect, and self control. Also opens a career path for them all while supporting the community. Muay Thai is my personal favorite martial art.
People who haven’t been to prison have no idea wtf is really going on... also if you don’t know Thailand like this than your not truly Thai... your parents are
So when does the Jean Claude Vandamme movie come out? You know, where he is unlawfully locked up. Then he decides he must learn Thai Kickboxing so he can become the champ and reduce his sentence. I'm sure there will be a Longest Yard twist where the warden wants him to throw the fight or else...
The guy at the end? He was the most articulate, humble and insightful person there. If you're judging someone on looks, you know fucking nothing about life.
People in prisons have one enormous advantage when it comes to any sport... They have more time than they'll ever need to rigorously practice, with no entertainment or work obligations to distract them. Prisoners seem to have a sense of drive that surpasses just about any person living in freedom.
I had the privilege of watching a live Muay Thai event at Rajadamnern Boxing Stadium. The crowd was amazing. If you visit Thailand this is a experience not to be missed.
I think this is a brilliant idea. Those who are in prison are already proven to be violent. Why don't we allow them to become a professional boxer, institutionalising their violence in a more controlled way, while the society takes pride in having such talented, motivated athletes in the national team.
You just spoke my mind, Onuke. Banawoski, its not like criminals fight fair anyway, using guns and knives etc. At least if you teach them how to relieve stress properly, they may stray from their criminal past and pursue a career or hobby in this. Criminals (murderers more specifically) dont need to know how to fight, because they dont fight, they'll just kill you if they really wanted to.
Bananwoski Junior They already know how to fight... you think at 30 years old they get taught to kick that fast? No, shit... they've been doing it since they were 10.
This is such a great way to help people out of prison, there aren’t opportunities for many people with criminal records so giving them something like this to do is so amazing and it offers them a life away from crime
I hear people say Mua Thai boxing is only good for TV.I giggle and tell them to go to Thailand,pick a fight with a real Thai boxer and watch how many seconds you last,been to Thailand several times.Thai boxers are tuff as nails but I never ever saw one act like a jerk to other people unless they were to them first.Good video.
I loved to know about this prison policy,it really gives the prisoners something positive to do and to think about,while staying in shape by doing a very exhausting sport (like all fight sports are) and at the same time boosts the country's reputation on an international level because their national fighters can get a chance to be on the spot light. Much respect to all Thailand's Muay Thai prison fighters from a Portuguese downhiller immigrant in Holland.
Such a great system that can only exist in Thailand! it isn't the opportunity provided for prisoners to get out of the prisons, but it is an opportunity to change their life and have brighter future. I can feel the blood of Muay thai warriors boiling in Thai people in the video. Great martial art, Great culture. Love and respect from Korea.
Thai's speak ok English for the most part, but that's not the case if you're in a small town/village. Lived here for seven years and the majority of people here speak some English. Depends on what region and how big the town is, but it seems like even when I speak Thai with a stranger, they'll speak English back. I live in a smaller town though, so I think they do so they get a chance to speak and practice their English more than anything. Where I live, I hardly ever see a farang. I think English is pretty much a global language now, for the most part.
***** that would actually piss me off. Especially since 9 out of 10 have a relative in the US that doesn't speak english. Just sayin' but I hear your point. Thats why i said for the most part!
Good on Thailand for being the one country to have a Traditional Art that actually works in the streets or better yet, in the ring. Japan should get some credit too, but for whatever reason their less effective arts became more popular.
It's just either pioneering the genre (China) or a country being rich enough to support its soft power export (martial arts, films, music, etc.). Muay Thai is the most effective there is but it will just remain as is if Thailand can't tell their story to the world more effectively.
Japan's art are not less effective, it just got turn into a sport and start losing actual technique that work on the street because they're too lethal to be use in the ring, most martial art suffer this problem.
VICE what an interesting documentary! Please do more coverage of the Muay Thai scene. I know Vice has the fightland-section, but i would really like to see the inside community of the Russian and Dutch kick/Muay Thai boxing gyms. Muay Thai is an old and exiteing martial art, which is action actionpacked.
> live in Thailand > become addicted to Thai narcotics > lose job due to drug addiction > murder family in drug induced rage > sentenced to life in prison > be good at Thai boxing > sentence shortened to 6 months and a good talking to
Welcome to Thailand! This shit happens all the time. They kill > they go to prison > get out > kill again > keep continue. Don't even have to talk about rich people committing crime, jail is not for them. Money can buy everything here ☹️
Idk first off it doesn't matter what martial arts you learn one martial arts isn't better then another it depends on the martial artist America has taekwondo (underrated in a way ) kickboxing wrestling pretty much every art out there
***** useless in the ring... dangerous in the octagon. Muay Thai is, with Brazilian Ju Jitsu, one of the most common martial arts in the UFC. Which is why MMA is much better than boxing
***** International kickboxing rules doesn't allow knees man. Though there are different forms of "kickboxing" that does, like thai boxing, K1 etc. K1 is only labeled as a kickboxing organisation, but doesn't stick to traditional kickboxing rules. Look up WKA rules
***** What most people view as MMA is a mixture of kickboxing and grappling. Usually the kickboxing is mauy thai and the grappling is bjj. MMA rarely involves kung fu and it sometiems uses karate. I am saying that i like mauy thai because it has more standing action rather than technichal grappling which is generally more exciting to watch.
I used to be a fan of fighting, so I joined the military. They made me fight so much that it was pushed out of my system, not a violent bone in my body now lol. These people are being forced to fight, even when they are tired and dont want to, which makes them realize they dont want to fight. The psychological impact is beneficial.
Some will never understand the cultural aspect of Muay Thai competition, goes far beyond the violence in the ring. It's about honor, respect, discipline and being able to make money and an honest living for their families. I would consider myself fortunate if I was an inmate that had the skill to take advantage of this program. It's hope, and an actual path to a future fighting or training others outside of prison with their loved ones
So as a prisoner you can go into the ring and fight in order to reduce time served. Gladiators are not something of the past. Keep us romans entertained.
RandomBattleXP What? Where do you think they got all the gladiators from? Taken from all over the world, thrown into training and then into the arena. Of course they fought outsiders..
True - but in THESE fights today, the people fighting Thai prisoners don't become prisoners, or aren't incarcerated JUST so they can fight Thai inmates. That's kind of what I'm getting at - in Roman times you ceased being an "outsider" when you became a Gladiator.
I came here because of the movie A Prayer Before Dawn. I also recently came back from a trip to Bangkok where I got to train with Muay Thai Fighters. I am currently proficient in Krav Maga and Taekwondo.
That mentality is the reason why when a prisoner gets released they are 90%% more likely to go back. They are treated like animals and trash in prison. Its suppose to be a rehabilitation processes. They are suppose to be able to go back into to society as a rehabilitated person. But because they are marked so badly they can only do things they know which is crime. Give them a semblance of normalism a chance to see that they can make up for their wrong doings by living a honest and good life. Most of these guys are never going to see the outside world ever again. At the very least treat them like humans and give them something to ease their minds.
I feel like the fighters who visit are in sort of a win-win. You win, you get the glory of winning the fight. You lose, you gave a man a closer chance at a second life.
I think the point of it is to get them to do something else when they get out besides that. I'm sure local and even foreign fighting leagues are scouting these fights, and if these guys can get an actual job doing this then they don't need to go back to crime.
***** But most of these guys felt they NEEDED to steal or kill (kill if part of a gang or something). If you take out that need then the chances of wanting to do so will reduce.
no way, this is awesome. You're giving prison inmates a chance to turn their life around, focus on a disciplined sport and even the potential for a career. Its not like they''re just letting inmates with life sentences on the streets for winning a few fights. If they're letting prisoners free from jail, the ones getting free are competing for there country. This is legit.
Adam Peretz Let them learn to cook or something productive this is like using humans as animals and they're already in cages how much more depraved can it get?
The big advantage is that they are fighting because they have nothing to lose, and only to gain, I bet we see some of the best fighters come out from there in the future. They are just raging with testosterone, another advantage for them.
Montaguesh it takes a long time and only the best fighters make it out. If they do win enough to get out, they’ve got a good chance of competing in stadiums for money. It’s a good job, needs a lot of training.
It actually gives them discipline and respect + nearly every Thailand man fights Muah Thai - it's in their culture, there are alot worst things in jail.
howaboutthatsuckah not true, i live in thailand and i know that many people just aim for the face and freak out. although a trained thai person is lethal, its amazing seeing muay thai in an atchual thai ring with all the thai music :) love thailand
Indianpvp MajorPvp I got the impression that Muay Thai was a very big cultural thing, everyone I've met that are from thailand trains Muay Thai and they have said that almost everone does it in thailand. But of course assumptions and "rules" doesn't always apply.
dgwear69 Fighting sports in general, gives people mental focus, discipline, honor, etc. Fighting someone in the ring will almost always brings out mutual respect afterward, even in street fights. Mike Tyson said if it wasn't for Cus D'Amato and Boxing, his life would have been in and out of prison as he started out as a troubled child.
They got it right with the "let them fight to handle dispute". Should be a damn American Right to challenge someone to a fight without bullshit lawsuits....
I think this is an excellent program in an effort to reform violent people. As a kid I used to get into a lot of fights until I got into martial arts karate wrestling eventually jujitsu and MMA. At the end of the day I don't have the energy to be angry enough it somebody to actually fight and all of my aggression is channeled in a space that excepts that kind of behavior and I think that these criminals are being given that same opportunity
Connor Peacock "Conform the world around ME!!!! I'm going to keep doing illegal things until they're legal!!!!" How am I being ignorant when I'm stating facts?
John M Because they're the government.. They control the countries at this point in time. Drugs are illegal right now, and if somebody is involved in it they are going to go to prison. It's nothing but their fault for owning drugs.
John M Also, your point about cigarettes is irrelevant and is a logical fallacy in its self. One is legal, one is not, using the illegal one lands you in prison, and you can't change that unless you start a movement.
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As a Thai dude, I want to say thank you to all the respectful comments towards the Thai people and culture. There aren't many out there that I see on many Thai videos so I just had to say thanks
***** There are many people that just seem to hate us in general, I have nothing against it, but I wonder why
***** Lmao when did I say I'm not proud of being Thai. I have an amazing family back there in Chaiyaphum. Plus, there's lots of problems with our country, there's no country without problems. I envy taht you live in Aus tbh tho lol I'm sitting in the US
@@skym6334 It must be jealousy because you smile all the time:)
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I m so proud to have some Thai blood in me
I've got the impression that EVERYONE in Thailand is a fighter
+Igetmoney
You should go there, some of them are hard, but there are a lot of malnourished 5'4" dudes just trying to survive off of whatever they can get from tourists. Great place to vacation if you don't let them talk you into paying way to much for bullshit. Go to Chiang Mai if you want reasonable bartering; there are a lot of old women who will overcharge like a motherfucker for basic shit you can get anywhere. This frog-lady tried to sell me a wooden frog instrument for 200 Baht when you can get one for like 20 anywhere other than fucking Bangkok.
hah you comment is so unrelated to mine, but I did find it useful. a friend of mine from Thai box training said I should go there too and get to one of those training camps, he had been there and said had an amazing experience
Most of the Thai are peaceful people that would never, ever enter any form of confrontation, especially physical one...
Yup, if you've gotten into a fight, you've fucked up badly or been really disrespectful.
is the tiger muay thai camp legit?
Occasionally, when Vice isn't busy putting out the latest garbage fads the hipsters in New York are into, they still produce really interesting stuff like this.
yh lol
I miss this kinda shit from VICE I had to unfollow them because they turned into a hyper Liberal like alternative MSNBC for liberal hipsters.
Exactly, vice has some of the best content ever like the UK fraud video, the iceland giants video and the krokodile video ect, I really wish they go back and do more stuff like this it's some of the best content on youtube.
Hipsters can't afford Brooklyn anymore, so you'll be seeing more of this.
This is what hipsters like. The ones you're talking about are posers, not hipsters.
I'm proud to say I filmed this.
Thank you for your dedication and help to bring this come to life.
good ass work
Tq sir!
Your a dumb as...to put this type of living up....cause your doing more damage to human life then better it.
You must be proud of yourself for failing at making a real video documentary of human life. Make one about meditation. Bet you can’t make one. Or about Emmanuel, whichever, you know nothing about. So, go study, go look and do something real.
This is great honestly. Violent tendencies don't just go away, so why not channel that violence into something more productive? Martial arts takes discipline, and discipline is a key factor in controlling impulsive violence. Its a win win for the inmates and the prison really if you think about it, the prison makes money, and the prisoners learn curve their violent tendencies and become an accepted part of society again. Bravo if you ask me.
totally agree
And they learn to fight better, very good. Our killers would be even better at it...No need for gun they would kill with their hands. Better teach them something else. Bodybulding for exemple help control violence too but doesn t teach to fight (exept to fight against yourself)
stronger715
Not really. It teaches discipline, that is one of the key principles of martial arts. Hardly anyone who is trained in martial arts uses it unless they absolutely have too. The values it carries with it are too strong.
@@CalebSalstrom If you had discipline you wouldnt be in jail lmao. Teaching them martial arts is the worst idea you could give em
@@tunod- people are not just violent by nature in the sense that they commit crimes for fun. Material conditions play a big role in these things so bettering their focus on something positive will help a lot. You can see this clearly: prison systems focussed on punishment leads to many more repeaters of crime than prisons focussed on rehabilitation.
Okay Hollywood your move.
Make me a movie.
Undisputed 3
Mexican boxing storage wars, this will be the next A&E Series
Wen Liang Okay but with Hollywood you know the white guy's going to to end up being the main character.
U didn't watch Undisputed ? Son u have to learn..
+Wen Liang Why does this make me feel like I'm watching Arnold Schwarzeneggar in Total Recall?
I've been doing Martial Arts as a 50+ year old man for 3 years. This summer, I took some Muay Thai lessons and mostly I use it as cardio on a heavy bag and to break up monotony of Taekwondo Poomsae. Anyone that thinks Martial Arts will make someone more violent is mistaken. Martial Arts makes an individual into a more disciplined person, and all forms stress the defensive nature of the Art of Self-Defense. Muay Thai, on the other hand, is competition based, and they are some of the most well-conditioned and disciplined people I have ever met.
Not true
@@Phjghh what's your experience then?
@@Phjghhshut up you know nothing
@@Bronsonbreaking
Oh, u know everything? Maybe you are God.
@@Phjghh Never said that. You know nothing
I lived in Thailand as a teacher doing ABC with Thai kids for a job.
They take muai Thai really seriously and why not?
Its far from barbaric. They are lovely people and muai thai is so much more civilised and respectful than western boxing.
They kick the shit out of each other but its just sport. If you see how Thai fighters respect anyone who gets into the ring with them because they know that it takes courage and accepting pain for a sport.
The thais are genuinely nice people even muai thai fighters.
@Bitcoin Beast YES!!!
@Lord Voldemort I'd rather cosmetic cuts than deep concussions from being hit in the same place over and over again.
@Lord Voldemort not denying that. But more deaths have come about from boxing than any derivative of mixed martial art.
@Lord Voldemort its about 7 deaths from mma since 2001 and that includes unsanctioned. Compared to a tonne from boxing. Joe rogan spoke about it (I know that's not gospel) but good points were raised. It's smaller gloves and the hits are not in the same place and less volume. I just wiki'd it but that's all sourced about.
Seriously? You want to say its so much more "respectful" than boxing? That in itself, being that you were a teacher, is disrespectful. As a boxer, the sport is very respectful, we train hard at my gym, 3 hours a day 6 days a week. Sparring almost every day, lots of focus on footwork, proper striking form, theres always something to correct. and @Lord Voldemort they each have their places in skill. A Muay Thai fighter cannot outstrike a Boxer, a Boxer cannot beat a Muay Thai fighter in Muay Thai. One of our biggest rules is to not compare yourself to anyone else, so I dont understand why to try and compare the sports? That goes against the respect that martial arts is supposed to instill in you. Just show your respects for Muay Thai, no need to bring in and downplay Boxing.
Looking at the title I thought this was gonna be some dirty underground fight shit but this is actually quite well organized and regulated.
the fights here are better than the fight between mayweather and pac man
fcsie i think so
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+fcsie You are full of shit, I would smack a dozen around at a time and yes I have been there.
+fcsie They can't fuck with Mayweather and pacquiao in the boxing ring though
I’ve got friends in thailand that start boxing at the age of 4-5.. These men are born fighters and 75% of men in thailand can fight. Most of them are very humble and peaceful until you pick a fight with them.
Thanks brother appreciated your kindly words but i can't fight tho
former But your profile picture 😂 Definitely a fighter
Most people are peaceful until picking a fight but ok lol
This prison fight program is brilliant.
this rehabilitation experiment makes the most sense. refocusing the violent nature of the incarcerated and actually giving them an outlet to BE something. Muay Thai takes hella discipline, focus, determination, and many more skills - I think this is F*ckin brilliant. Thanks VICE!!! Your journalism is the best.....
this video is an example of why vice is one of the BEST content creators on youtube.
All of you people criticising the idea of training the inmates in Muay Thai have obviously never entered any kind of martial art. MT, boxing etc will not encourage short tempers or aggressive attitudes - the opposite is true. These disciplines are exactly that: disciplines. They encourage self control. Anger is essentially 'unlearned' as it is the most counter-productive attitude. These people will emerge as physically and mentally stronger, healthier - not more violent. The only truly damaging thing here is the failed social experiment that is the prison system.
it's sad that deep down almost everyone,except adepts in a martial art,think martial arts are only a tool to be an effective streetfighter who can be a douchebag with a substance...
Most people are too afraid of violence to understand anything about it. Well said.
I agree with but Mauy Thai isn't a marital art its a combat sport just like boxing thus it doesn't have belts or a real skill ranking tree.
Blah b I beg to differ , This is Thailand's national sport they learn this from a young age. They are just a portion of the population but majority of the fighters are not in prison. Its like saying weight lifting makes prisoners violent in other prisons. They already are trained from a young age the way europeans or latin americans play football.
Blah b No criminals train like a para-military they don't really compete in fighting sports. Anyone can learn to box or kickbox its the same way they can be trained to drive cars or shoot guns. Fighting is a small part of the criminal problem so small its not even a issue. Your point has very little weight, these guys aren't in prison because they were fighting they're just like a football player who goes to prison but still has the skill that got him there. No link from any data around the world shows organized crime and combat sports.More data shows people joining the military or one or two members getting training and then training multiple others in the same way. It has nothing to do with organized fighting as a whole .
The guy at 8:28 that says, 'take a free shot at my head' and then easily ducks it is a boss.
and he won too, good fighter.
Yeah that was badass, I wouldn't still my chin out to a prisoner lol
NewGoldStandard he’s just cocky and showing off, I was personally hoping for a knock out after that. It shows a more American way of fighting, with a lot less respect for the other fighter than in more traditional arts
his opponent was gassed though you could see it coming from miles away instead of ducking he should of blocked the punch with his face
the moroccan genes! most of the foreigners lost their fight, or got koed but he went there and won that talks volumes about north african genetics!
Someone needs to make a movie about this.
k
its kinda like "Gamer" actually
I swear i just said undisputed ay
Gareth Evans should make this
***** Dude that's a quote from Family Guy that Stewie says to Brian who is working on a novel but never seems to finish it...you took the bait...
"Whats youre Name?"
"Billy, Billy Moore"
"You have Money?"
"No"
"You work?"
"Boxer..."
hahahahah
The one in the thumbnail is in the movie or am I wrong
@@Bxjoeyy179 yeah he is, some other guys too
I don’t suck cock lol
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many years ago, when i watched this documentary for the first time, those scenes got engrained into my brain. it was all so foreign to me, so different than anything i ever did as a lifelong martial artist myself. it never left me and i came back to this documentary regularly. present time, i compete in muay thai myself
The man at 5:22 doing the Wai Kru is named Sagat. He's a legend from the Golden Age of Muay Thai, and more famously known as the actual inspiration for the Street Fighter Character, Sagat.
His fight record:
317
Wins 266
By knockout 151
Losses 40
Draws 11
Holy shit
Ha in the late 80s my uncle fought over 300 amateur-pro fights, won the golden gloves award aswell for boxing. Sad that there wasn't mainstream buzz around it then or he would surely be known today.
@@walker7155 what's his name, sounds like a badass
timmypoopoo wtf thats sagat??? What he doing there lmao
@@lucian5389 I was wondering if that was Sagat
8:13 Damn that microphone!
The pinnacle of modern technology
The Thai guy at 7:50 is amazingly fast.
What a awesomely executed taunt at 8:28!
+jangyman slick move for sure!
+jangyman I was hoping he'd lose. I loved it when he when down at 7.59
+Ok kami that wasnt him.
...yeah, different guy ...the taunt guy won his fight - the guy that went down lost his. They look very similar though ...slim white guy, cropped hair cut, black shorts.
+Ok kami different guy
I always proud to be Thai. This show is open my eyes too. I never know this side of Thailand.
Go into prison because you fight, to get out or reduced sentence you fight not much sense there
@@maxymooo Teaches them discipline, respect, and self control. Also opens a career path for them all while supporting the community. Muay Thai is my personal favorite martial art.
People who haven’t been to prison have no idea wtf is really going on... also if you don’t know Thailand like this than your not truly Thai... your parents are
Yes indeed
I understand it. As a middle European, I think we don't have any culture compared to Thailand. I'd be celebrating this, too :)
So when does the Jean Claude Vandamme movie come out? You know, where he is unlawfully locked up. Then he decides he must learn Thai Kickboxing so he can become the champ and reduce his sentence. I'm sure there will be a Longest Yard twist where the warden wants him to throw the fight or else...
+John Vogel Watch Undisputed II and Undisputed III, that's the closest.
Lol...... sounds about right.....
John Vogel lmao
great idea , id delete my comment and write a script
The UK guy was way too much stereotype for me lol
The guy at the end? He was the most articulate, humble and insightful person there. If you're judging someone on looks, you know fucking nothing about life.
alexythimia23 no intelligent not ugly
I don’t know where your from but you obviously have never made contact with a British person
People in prisons have one enormous advantage when it comes to any sport... They have more time than they'll ever need to rigorously practice, with no entertainment or work obligations to distract them. Prisoners seem to have a sense of drive that surpasses just about any person living in freedom.
I had the privilege of watching a live Muay Thai event at Rajadamnern Boxing Stadium. The crowd was amazing. If you visit Thailand this is a experience not to be missed.
1:30 isn't this dude at the movie called "Prayer before dawn" he was in prison for killing 2 people and is sentenced to life for being a hitman?
yea, thats him
I think this is a brilliant idea. Those who are in prison are already proven to be violent. Why don't we allow them to become a professional boxer, institutionalising their violence in a more controlled way, while the society takes pride in having such talented, motivated athletes in the national team.
meanwhile you teach dangerous criminalls how to fight, yeah great idea!
You just spoke my mind, Onuke. Banawoski, its not like criminals fight fair anyway, using guns and knives etc. At least if you teach them how to relieve stress properly, they may stray from their criminal past and pursue a career or hobby in this. Criminals (murderers more specifically) dont need to know how to fight, because they dont fight, they'll just kill you if they really wanted to.
Bananwoski Junior They already know how to fight... you think at 30 years old they get taught to kick that fast? No, shit... they've been doing it since they were 10.
this is the epitome of fighting for your life. If you want something bad enough as eating or breathing, you will excel.
This is such a great way to help people out of prison, there aren’t opportunities for many people with criminal records so giving them something like this to do is so amazing and it offers them a life away from crime
I hear people say Mua Thai boxing is only good for TV.I giggle and tell them to go to Thailand,pick a fight with a real Thai boxer and watch how many seconds you last,been to Thailand several times.Thai boxers are tuff as nails but I never ever saw one act like a jerk to other people unless they were to them first.Good video.
0:07 Kanye West x Adidas Yeezy season 2
+Hugo Peñaloza Bajaña hahaha
de se jugó
hahahahaha
LMFAO
Fuck that actually looks like a decent fit.
Fcพี่ฉุยใต้ อยู่ๆก็เจอวีดีโอนี้เฉยเลย😅🤟
เด้งมาให้ผมเห็นเหมือนกัน
ใช่ๆ เเร่วทำไมเป่นภาษาอื่นว่ะ
@@วินัยไกรสร-ฅ5ฃ ฝรั่งมาทำสารคดี
เหรอจ๊ะ
เหมือนเลย
The few white dudes in the turny just tryna get home early 😂😂☠️
This would make a great movie !
I think they made one about Russian prison, only it's about illegal fights loll
Quisek Are you talking about undisputed?
Yeah, that one
this is like bloodsport 2 check it out its not to bad
the raid 2
I loved to know about this prison policy,it really gives the prisoners something positive to do and to think about,while staying in shape by doing a very exhausting sport (like all fight sports are) and at the same time boosts the country's reputation on an international level because their national fighters can get a chance to be on the spot light.
Much respect to all Thailand's Muay Thai prison fighters from a Portuguese downhiller immigrant in Holland.
wow this is a incredible doc vice never ceases to amaze in their stories
oh really? did u watch all the latest videos?
Messiahs what story was bad recently
96komodo
the real walter white was awful
i enjoyed that doc it was ok
Anyone here after seeing "A Prayer Before Dawn?"
AlexanderPews yes! That’s what I was just thinking about
AlexanderPews
1:30 , 8:11 This guy is from the movie ..
The thumbnail guy is in it!
I was searching for this comment and some of them are from the movie or probably look alikes
7:14 Asian Chris Pratt
Wtf lol😆
4 years ago
Yeah
Such a great system that can only exist in Thailand! it isn't the opportunity provided for prisoners to get out of the prisons, but it is an opportunity to change their life and have brighter future. I can feel the blood of Muay thai warriors boiling in Thai people in the video. Great martial art, Great culture. Love and respect from Korea.
i love that no matter thailand or france they all know english for the most part. I feel i can travel anywhere and get by
Thai's speak ok English for the most part, but that's not the case if you're in a small town/village. Lived here for seven years and the majority of people here speak some English. Depends on what region and how big the town is, but it seems like even when I speak Thai with a stranger, they'll speak English back. I live in a smaller town though, so I think they do so they get a chance to speak and practice their English more than anything. Where I live, I hardly ever see a farang.
I think English is pretty much a global language now, for the most part.
Correct but then I'd have a guide :)
***** that would actually piss me off. Especially since 9 out of 10 have a relative in the US that doesn't speak english. Just sayin' but I hear your point. Thats why i said for the most part!
they only showed the few people in the whole event that knew english. A few of the people speaking actually didn't.
Good on Thailand for being the one country to have a Traditional Art that actually works in the streets or better yet, in the ring. Japan should get some credit too, but for whatever reason their less effective arts became more popular.
It's just either pioneering the genre (China) or a country being rich enough to support its soft power export (martial arts, films, music, etc.). Muay Thai is the most effective there is but it will just remain as is if Thailand can't tell their story to the world more effectively.
No such thing as less effective. Just depends on HOW you train.
@@lalchungnungaralte9104 I mean some styles are literally useless. 0*2 is still 0.
@@AGuy-vq9qp 🤣🙏
Japan's art are not less effective, it just got turn into a sport and start losing actual technique that work on the street because they're too lethal to be use in the ring, most martial art suffer this problem.
Doesn't matter, Yuri Boyka is the most complete fighter in the world
yup haha
+The Brovahkiin My thought as well
+The Brovahkiin hahahahahhah
How bout Michael Jai
+The Brovahkiin
We're talking real life here buddy hahaha
1:07 he Start rapping like a jamaican haha
Goddamn tht background beat fits so perfectly lmao it really does sound like he spitting fire 🔥 🤣
Riddim ❤️
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There are a lot of great videos that aren't on TH-cam!
VICE what an interesting documentary! Please do more coverage of the Muay Thai scene. I know Vice has the fightland-section, but i would really like to see the inside community of the Russian and Dutch kick/Muay Thai boxing gyms. Muay Thai is an old and exiteing martial art, which is action actionpacked.
Come to Indonesia to covers student street fight called " TAWURAN" search in youtube plenty . #TAWURAN
BlackGaruda i looked...it´s shit
TobiasManczak Exciting.
Veit Tamsen SHit in term of we have to covers it or "tawuran" is worthless??
7:47 น้าฉุยบ้านใต้ต่อยโหดสุดแล้ว
ใช่พี่ฉุยบ้านใต้
ไม่ใช้น้าฉุย ดูดีๆ
The guy at 7:15 looks like Asian Mike Tyson
+Gam3playsCZ you know that guy can lay a smack down by his face
CptBlacks
+Gam3playsCZ Don't you mean Mike Thaison?
+Nunya Bidness nonononononono
+Gam3playsCZ LMFAO
It seems very counter intuitive to reduce the sentence of violent people based on their ability to be violent.
Who’s seen “a prayer before dawn” ?
Yo
Love and much respect to the wonderful people of thailand🤝🙏🏻
08:13 look at the fucking microphone!! XD
Is just a toy
I'm Thai .it's toy lol
Look at the fking guy LOL
it's a toy lol
elpillo It's the fucking mic that comes in the singing Barbie box set 😂
bring in sagat...
Yeah I was surprised to see him in there, haha
Sagat is dead is he
but oh well his legend lives on in the SF games
Oh shet lol
> live in Thailand
> become addicted to Thai narcotics
> lose job due to drug addiction
> murder family in drug induced rage
> sentenced to life in prison
> be good at Thai boxing
> sentence shortened to 6 months and a good talking to
in a nutshell
not likely for most of them to do that. many are there for other reasons. dumb ass
Kevin M Otero R what other things do you get maximum prison sentences for? 'dumb ass'
Welcome to Thailand! This shit happens all the time. They kill > they go to prison > get out > kill again > keep continue. Don't even have to talk about rich people committing crime, jail is not for them. Money can buy everything here ☹️
Jane P. The whole world is like that sadly. Cruel capitalist system.
Bring this to america lol
Muay Thai will probably win.
Idk first off it doesn't matter what martial arts you learn one martial arts isn't better then another it depends on the martial artist America has taekwondo (underrated in a way ) kickboxing wrestling pretty much every art out there
*****
Muay thai is made to kill, or at least the older version was
***** useless in the ring... dangerous in the octagon. Muay Thai is, with Brazilian Ju Jitsu, one of the most common martial arts in the UFC. Which is why MMA is much better than boxing
***** International kickboxing rules doesn't allow knees man. Though there are different forms of "kickboxing" that does, like thai boxing, K1 etc. K1 is only labeled as a kickboxing organisation, but doesn't stick to traditional kickboxing rules. Look up WKA rules
That dude at 7:14 / 7:15 looks like one mean mother
Camelworks What the hell is my favorite elder scrolls channel doing here?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
really? he looks hella nice to me
Camelworks s
doze eyebrows
Hmmm, this was very interesting on concepts of morality, restitution. and redemption
This is so smart because it reduces fights in the prison because people don't want to risk their only chance to get take away
Way more action packed than mma rather than getting caught on the ground they stand up and exchange blows after blows. Freaking intense.
***** What most people view as MMA is a mixture of kickboxing and grappling. Usually the kickboxing is mauy thai and the grappling is bjj. MMA rarely involves kung fu and it sometiems uses karate. I am saying that i like mauy thai because it has more standing action rather than technichal grappling which is generally more exciting to watch.
Vice always bring the best documentrys.
so the most violent ones get out early? great idea
It teaches discipline, honor and at the most a skill. They can use this for positive outcome. Do not be so close minded :)
***** I'm still not seeing how it's different from gladiators fighting to eventually be granted freedom.
Keep in mind that not all people in prison are violent psychopaths...
Christopher Pinterich No, but determinedly training in a blood sport might be an indicator.
I used to be a fan of fighting, so I joined the military. They made me fight so much that it was pushed out of my system, not a violent bone in my body now lol. These people are being forced to fight, even when they are tired and dont want to, which makes them realize they dont want to fight. The psychological impact is beneficial.
Respect Thailand from Albania. Thank you for recognizing Kosovo
1:11 sounded like a rap, it flowed to the music haha
somebody do a song with this PLEASE!
I lol'd :D
LMFAOOOOO DFKMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
hilarious
It's better than them fighting out of control, also boxing and martial arts teach self control as well.
You've never fought in your life
yungSTASIS and what's the basis of your brilliant break through conclusion?
yungSTASIS
How do you know that, are you psychic?
yungSTASIS
It's better than then rioting in the prison if that makes more sense to you.
I had to fight once at school when someone grabbed me round the throat, you could say that was fight or die.
Makes mainstream MMA look like physical education in high school.
You’re kidding right
@@Cyber-BuIIy think about it. Their locked up in prison. PRISON.
Some will never understand the cultural aspect of Muay Thai competition, goes far beyond the violence in the ring. It's about honor, respect, discipline and being able to make money and an honest living for their families. I would consider myself fortunate if I was an inmate that had the skill to take advantage of this program. It's hope, and an actual path to a future fighting or training others outside of prison with their loved ones
So as a prisoner you can go into the ring and fight in order to reduce time served. Gladiators are not something of the past. Keep us romans entertained.
Gladiators never fought outsiders though.
RandomBattleXP What? Where do you think they got all the gladiators from? Taken from all over the world, thrown into training and then into the arena. Of course they fought outsiders..
True - but in THESE fights today, the people fighting Thai prisoners don't become prisoners, or aren't incarcerated JUST so they can fight Thai inmates. That's kind of what I'm getting at - in Roman times you ceased being an "outsider" when you became a Gladiator.
I wonder how many of those prisoners were fighting “clean”
Well this is muay thai, you don't really need to fight dirty to smash your opponent.
Nothing is clean in Muay Thai. We just only try to kill you in polite way
@@alemalem6728 lol
@@DJAM3R he means how many of those prisoners didn’t take drugs before fight
Great video like always, keep up the good work, thanks
I came here because of the movie A Prayer Before Dawn. I also recently came back from a trip to Bangkok where I got to train with Muay Thai Fighters. I am currently proficient in Krav Maga and Taekwondo.
i love Muay Thai too but it doesnt change the fact that they are
prisoners
That mentality is the reason why when a prisoner gets released they are 90%% more likely to go back. They are treated like animals and trash in prison. Its suppose to be a rehabilitation processes. They are suppose to be able to go back into to society as a rehabilitated person. But because they are marked so badly they can only do things they know which is crime. Give them a semblance of normalism a chance to see that they can make up for their wrong doings by living a honest and good life. Most of these guys are never going to see the outside world ever again. At the very least treat them like humans and give them something to ease their minds.
Narcissistic Freak
"YOU KNOW, POLITICS....." THE GOOD GUY WILL NOT SURVIVE
I didn't know Undisputed was real o_o
+Hitokiri Battousai its called sarama, its played before and during traditional muay thai fights
So much better than letting people rot in prison. Every prison should have an outlet like this.
Vice do a mini documentary on what is going on in thailands political system right now
you mean the world's political systems right now?
best looking prison iv ever seen.
I feel like the fighters who visit are in sort of a win-win. You win, you get the glory of winning the fight. You lose, you gave a man a closer chance at a second life.
7:51 damn his good!
UNKNOWN WARRIORS the prisoner or the free man
Prisoners
Fight to reduce their prison sentences... puts a new angle on 'released early for good behaviour' lol
The guy at 5:04 was in “A Prayer before Dawn” you guys should watch it
Whats his name
@@TheMikvlogger His name is " Chui " He kill 2 people in real
Now he out
Are they gonna beat up the prison guard?
LMFAO, same thing crossed my mind, but it seems like not, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this.
Marissa Sue the guards are corrupt and if you beat one up they’ll give a inmate a pack of cigarettes to torture you
They have guns
I came here after watching, a prayer before dawn!
Through the Film Ong Bak Muay Thai Boxing was simply known Worldwide !
Actually Van damme introduced me.. Never hear of that movie though, guess I'm too old :P th-cam.com/video/OmOO86SJEIA/w-d-xo.html
TUNG PO!!
teaching murderers and rapists how to fight, how could that possibly go wrong?
I think the point of it is to get them to do something else when they get out besides that. I'm sure local and even foreign fighting leagues are scouting these fights, and if these guys can get an actual job doing this then they don't need to go back to crime.
***** But most of these guys felt they NEEDED to steal or kill (kill if part of a gang or something). If you take out that need then the chances of wanting to do so will reduce.
no way, this is awesome. You're giving prison inmates a chance to turn their life around, focus on a disciplined sport and even the potential for a career. Its not like they''re just letting inmates with life sentences on the streets for winning a few fights. If they're letting prisoners free from jail, the ones getting free are competing for there country. This is legit.
Adam Peretz Let them learn to cook or something productive this is like using humans as animals and they're already in cages how much more depraved can it get?
passion will overcome temptations
The big advantage is that they are fighting because they have nothing to lose, and only to gain, I bet we see some of the best fighters come out from there in the future. They are just raging with testosterone, another advantage for them.
"Battle for freedom" 5:22
So... you can actually fight your way out of prison in Thailand. What a great idea!
Montaguesh yeah let the toughest, baddest fucker of the bunch out what could possibly go wrong
@@canyoufearme1 it's about discipline. If you want to win you have to train hard
Montaguesh it takes a long time and only the best fighters make it out. If they do win enough to get out, they’ve got a good chance of competing in stadiums for money. It’s a good job, needs a lot of training.
No,who said who win will get out of prison?
Im thai and in this video there is no one say that
That last foreigner guy was beasty
French fighter
teaching people with criminal history how to fight... hmmmmmmm
It actually gives them discipline and respect + nearly every Thailand man fights Muah Thai - it's in their culture, there are alot worst things in jail.
Not really teaching, almost everyone knows muay thai in thailand.
howaboutthatsuckah not true, i live in thailand and i know that many people just aim for the face and freak out. although a trained thai person is lethal, its amazing seeing muay thai in an atchual thai ring with all the thai music :) love thailand
Indianpvp MajorPvp I got the impression that Muay Thai was a very big cultural thing, everyone I've met that are from thailand trains Muay Thai and they have said that almost everone does it in thailand. But of course assumptions and "rules" doesn't always apply.
dgwear69 Fighting sports in general, gives people mental focus, discipline, honor, etc. Fighting someone in the ring will almost always brings out mutual respect afterward, even in street fights. Mike Tyson said if it wasn't for Cus D'Amato and Boxing, his life would have been in and out of prison as he started out as a troubled child.
What an excellent way to get one's aggression out.
Another jon jones probably just lurking in there 😂😂
Thai is so rich in culture.
That's a good concept for a new videogame...
They got it right with the "let them fight to handle dispute". Should be a damn American Right to challenge someone to a fight without bullshit lawsuits....
Trial by combat comes to mind for me.
Keith R And let all the cave men run the world
Keith R You are allowed to do so. Just not in prison. They are only allowed to fight in the ring. That is legal in America too.
Keith R there is mutual combat zones within the US, read up on it
Keith R like 19th century europe and earlier, where you could challenge someone who offended you to a duel
Imagine getting beat up and having to go back to a prison cell
I think this is an excellent program in an effort to reform violent people. As a kid I used to get into a lot of fights until I got into martial arts karate wrestling eventually jujitsu and MMA. At the end of the day I don't have the energy to be angry enough it somebody to actually fight and all of my aggression is channeled in a space that excepts that kind of behavior and I think that these criminals are being given that same opportunity
Pretty inspiring. Sucks that some of those guys are just in their for drugs, its time we end the war on drugs, its bullshit.
benblue3 Don't be ignorant
Connor Peacock "Conform the world around ME!!!! I'm going to keep doing illegal things until they're legal!!!!"
How am I being ignorant when I'm stating facts?
John M Because they're the government.. They control the countries at this point in time. Drugs are illegal right now, and if somebody is involved in it they are going to go to prison. It's nothing but their fault for owning drugs.
John M Also, your point about cigarettes is irrelevant and is a logical fallacy in its self. One is legal, one is not, using the illegal one lands you in prison, and you can't change that unless you start a movement.
Do you know how stupid you sound?
Of course you would fight to reduce your sentence , westerners are fighting just for the experience.
+SSmelb
And to survive the racist gangs.
what a dumb reason to fight for. most westerners cant even fight while they shove meat down thier fat gullets
@@trippytoxin so says the master combatant with a 45 video playlist of cartoon intros
@@wakandawildman2043 o h? As expected of the meat gurgling, sweaty westerner, to be all up in my account looking at my playlists, and being up my butt
I want "Death Race"
I am a half Filipino
And I deeply respect Thailand and the people there.