Train Simulator 2016 - Route Learning France: Marseille to Avignon (TGV Duplex)

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  • In this next route learning video we head over to France, taking a journey in a TGV Duplex between Marseille and Avignon and calling at Aix-en-Provence on the way.
    Please note that this is not a signalling tutorial for French signals as I fully intend to make a separate, detailed signalling tutorial later this summer.
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  • @szymongorczynski7621
    @szymongorczynski7621 8 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    That train sounds much like my washing machine lol

    • @SA6703
      @SA6703 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol😂

    • @SA6703
      @SA6703 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Szymon bro where to find this routes and train on net???

    • @szymongorczynski7621
      @szymongorczynski7621 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Saif Khan Steam or www.train-simulator.com

  • @theogreiner9855
    @theogreiner9855 7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    To stop the TGV on stations, you have little indicators in the station. If you have only one unit (1TGV) the stopping mark is the little panel "TGV1", if you have a UM2 of TGV, you usually stop it at the end of the station where a panel "TGV2" is placed. 😏✌🏻️

    • @udjproductions1
      @udjproductions1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was literally about to post the same comment until I read yours, you can see such a marker coming up at 20:08

  • @SimTrain
    @SimTrain 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Hi, nice video but I would like to tell you some more information about safety systems.
    First, the VACMA doesn't realy work like DTG did. For the VACMA, you have to hold a pedal (or the traction lever) and release it after 55 seconds and you can't release the pedal for more than 5 seconds. DTG just re-uses the SIFA/DSD system.
    The KVB is ok but you don't realy use it because the classic line section is very short and I also noticed some bugs (for example, the system "forgets" to repeat a yellow signal!). At least TVM430 is perfect, and just for info the 3 red squares are not a stop signal but the "marche à vue" (ride by sight) indication. It allows you to cross the TVM marker but your speed limit will be 30 km/h (000 is the stop indication).
    The braking system doesn't match with the real TGV. The real braking system is a spring loaded control like the BB 22200, BB 26000 or even the Class 92.
    Despite these little errors or bugs I've fun with this route and train. I also installed third party french trains and routes.
    The route is to short but today we've got the route from Marseille to Lyon.
    The TGV that reached 574,8 km/h in 2007 woesn't "completly" a Duplex: it pulled Duplex carriages but it was power by TGV POS locos and the bar car was set up with brand new Alstom AGV engines, so it was a kind of hybrid train between Duplex and TGV POS.
    Last thing, your french pronunciation is good.

    • @tob19
      @tob19 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good to know?

  • @hexagon7895
    @hexagon7895 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Also I've just remembered, on Classic lines you are supposed to sound the horn when entering and exiting tunnels, but not on the LGVs. You are also supposed to dip the headlights when passing another train and sound the horn when you pass the rear of a not her train on an adjacent track on Classic lines. Also some French Classic lines are electrified at 25kV, the main difference between the LGV and Classic line 25kV supply is the wire tension and thus the relevant pantograph tension setting.

    • @Wenel
      @Wenel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Waw amazing explication for not French
      I'm happy if you are understand this I like!!!

    • @davida.678
      @davida.678 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      its also because there is a small difference in voltage between classic 25Kv and LGV 25Kv, think of it like the neutral sections the UK hold in additon to the changes in tension

  • @euanhay4305
    @euanhay4305 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    @PTGRail Once again a superb high quality video, keep up the good work!

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you, I really appreciate it :)

    • @GeForceGG
      @GeForceGG 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Superb high quality video and great graphics, Nice video man! Keep up the good work! This comes with Pioneers Edition so I'll consider buying it so I get this and some other routes too including CSX Heavy Haul.

    • @sasaradosavljevic4595
      @sasaradosavljevic4595 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Euan Hay sdfyy

  • @samfotoz
    @samfotoz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Signs on the platforms for stopping are TGV 1 (Single Set) TGV 2 (Double Set). Your stop at Aix was pretty much spot on. Hope that helps.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. I realise that now. For some reason I didn't notice the signs on the platforms when driving! :)

  • @MarcetlaPassiondesTrains
    @MarcetlaPassiondesTrains 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Finally a French route! :)
    You didn't have to apologise, you pronunced all French words well, don't worry ;)

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I love French railways! And thanks, I wasn't sure. I was never good at French at school :p

    • @MarcetlaPassiondesTrains
      @MarcetlaPassiondesTrains 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +PTGRail Let's hope that DTG will create more French routes :)

  • @tm4609
    @tm4609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please make a French signalling guide, I've learned how to drive brittish and German routes from your videos. Thank you!

  • @rogercrick9813
    @rogercrick9813 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Peter, it is a fascinating and entertaining video but I will have to watch it a few times to take it all in.It is nice of you to take your holiday at the same time as I will also be away and without my laptop!!

  • @gr0use350
    @gr0use350 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yessss I've been waiting for your content!!!!

  • @CrusherUK2013
    @CrusherUK2013 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're so good at these.
    Great vid thanks PTG.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha, thanks! Glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @bigdawgshawn674
    @bigdawgshawn674 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice video PTG! Can't wait for the next steam sale so I can get this route!

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Shawn! I hope you enjoy driving this route when you get it :)

  • @tm4609
    @tm4609 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stopping points are indicated by the black 'TGV 1/2' boards, that's 1 or 2 coupled sets respectively.

  • @limeyfox
    @limeyfox 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice tutorial video and great route. Regarding stopping points; there is a small black square sign marked 'TGV 1' which indicates the stopping point for a single trainset.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you. I honestly hadn't noticed that. I will be looking out for them in the future :)

  • @ZareIceman
    @ZareIceman 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro, with, people can really learn something while enjoying watching your videos...

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've always hoped that these videos could help teach someone something new :)

  • @cameronoliver7905
    @cameronoliver7905 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i know it brings u away from what ur used to but i would love to see some world of subways to follow in quality of these amazing vids u have produced for now nearly (or just over) 2 years! (can't belive it's gone that quick i remember u driving along the pier in the old 1938 class tubes!

  • @jamesnicolson6949
    @jamesnicolson6949 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's bouncy like a Pacer!

  • @Konkacha
    @Konkacha 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On LGV routes. You stop at the point where it says (on the platform) TGV 1. It's a black sign with white letters. If you were driving a train consisting of two TGVs then you would stop at the sign that says TGV 2.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the information, that's very useful :)

    • @therenaissance8322
      @therenaissance8322 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      PTGRail OMG

  • @RealCristiano
    @RealCristiano 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW PTGRail YOU ARE AN AMAZING DRIVER!!!
    Edit: There are 320 likes currently, the top speed of the train!

  • @kachow1970
    @kachow1970 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, the TGV is great.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I agree, it's awesome :)

  • @chris4484
    @chris4484 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do you control acceleration and breaking with a keyboard?

  • @alexlhart4608
    @alexlhart4608 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello how do you hold the speed at 319 kph? I cannot find the speed set button

  • @dominiquecamus8488
    @dominiquecamus8488 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, perhaps a bit old, but stays valid for TS 2020, this is a great video (thanks!) I'm TS 2020 newbee driver (game & DLCs bought yesterday) - the only problem I've is about correct braking for stopover at stations (too quick, or the emergency brakes are activated, not fair). Thanks again, greetings from France.

  • @eurostar3739
    @eurostar3739 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The platform markers for the TGVs are marked with white letters and a black background with either
    TGV1
    TGV2
    Or TGV1/2

  • @bsian03
    @bsian03 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video - I've been waiting for this for ages!! :) BTW I think the stop marker is the TGV1 near where you stopped

    • @bsian03
      @bsian03 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not too sure about Avignon though - I was just talking about Aix-en-Provence, sorry about that... :P

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. Hope you enjoyed the video! Now I'm aware of the stop markers, I will remember them in the future :)

  • @theears995
    @theears995 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hopefully we can get a French signal tutorial soon :)

  • @wenel1076
    @wenel1076 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video !
    If you want, there are you have a patch on railsim-fr for more accelerating on TGV.
    (now is very difficult to up at 320 km/h).

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the tip. I wasn't aware that there were any patches at present. :)

    • @wenel1076
      @wenel1076 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Np, I haven't expect and answer so fast, and sorry for the bad english.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      WT2669 It's okay, I understand what you're saying so your English isn't bad :) And thanks, it's taken me around 18 months to gain this number of subscribers!

    • @wenel1076
      @wenel1076 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha ha, nice.
      I hope you get more and more, and thanks for all tutorial of you. Basically I don't really like drive in UK but with your tutorials I can learn, and appreciate more British routes.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, I am happy that these tutorials help you out. :)

  • @aaronvandam3409
    @aaronvandam3409 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do I install sounds in train simulator 2016

  • @srinjoymaulik7924
    @srinjoymaulik7924 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is that continuous cautionary beeping sound for inside the TGV cabin ?

  • @djhoangphong2207
    @djhoangphong2207 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    very nice, i like that.

  • @alexcarter6680
    @alexcarter6680 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any chance you could do that French signalling guide I’ve tried looking but I can’t find any video on it on TH-cam

  • @cliffwoodbury5319
    @cliffwoodbury5319 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    u make the best train sim videos hands down; i don't like watching anyone elses. BUT. 20:25. I would have taken that picture on the walkway (the other side of the train) so you could have gotten more of the scenery outside the station!!!

  • @hexagon7895
    @hexagon7895 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, again its such a shame that the more scenic/better routes are so short! 65 miles at 199mph is no time at all. Hopefully DTG will make a 'Classic' French route route in the future, the signalling would quite interesting for a start! Also at both Aix-en-Provence and Avignon there are small TGV1 and TGV2 markers, these indicate the point at which one and two TGV sets should stop respectively. And the Aix in Aix-en-Provence is pronounced Ay (rhymes with hay).

    • @keychain___8836
      @keychain___8836 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Route just got expanded with the TGV reaching Lyon now

  • @ashwingarg7646
    @ashwingarg7646 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how you immediatly apologised for pronounciation lol

  • @damianc.0.681
    @damianc.0.681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t wait until tsw2 with this route

    • @mr.haitian2729
      @mr.haitian2729 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yep. now that it is out, its awesome

  • @iwsrfc175
    @iwsrfc175 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When is the French signing video getting released

  • @MetalHellraiser094
    @MetalHellraiser094 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well Done Again Pete on the Video by any chance are you planning to do a Route Learning Video on the Acela Express Route? If So I will be looking foward for that video

  • @roondarmurnig338
    @roondarmurnig338 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'll be looking forward to that French signaling guide. It looks very complicated, but judging by your German signaling video, you won't have a problem explaining it.
    Also, I was wondering if you would consider doing an American signaling guide. I've been playing Train Simulator for a little while now and I still don't understand the system in my own country, lol.
    I love all your videos, by the way, they're very informative and very high quality.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I need to do all of the necessary research for it first so it will probably take a little while. I've also got a US signalling guide that I'd like to make if possible, but with so many different systems across the country it will be very time consuming to research and make!
      Thanks for your comment, I really appreciate it :)

  • @thevanratnam7616
    @thevanratnam7616 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a french signalling guide

  • @pansearedducklet9054
    @pansearedducklet9054 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mad how I find this when they release the tsw 2 route recently

  • @mt1455
    @mt1455 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    My TGV suddenly stopped and I can't get it started again.

  • @jonny-simulation-gamer
    @jonny-simulation-gamer ปีที่แล้ว

    my tgv duplex is not moving after following the set up step by step and it will not move

  • @tonydeeks5756
    @tonydeeks5756 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video :) it'd be great if you could get hold of that world record tgv. that would be amazing to see how quick it accelerates

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd love to be able to thrash that at up to 357mph :p

  • @RezdyTofan
    @RezdyTofan 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The rail was countinue to Paris or London.

  • @samplays3971
    @samplays3971 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG NEW IDEA. Do a TRAIN REVIEW. You get a random train and a random route and review the train

  • @JVerschueren
    @JVerschueren 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stopping markers for TGVs are marked TGV1 and TGV2 for 1 set and 2 set trains respectively. I think I saw TGV2 at the end of the platform pulling out of Aix en Provence, but I'm not sure I saw the 1 set marker.
    Anyhow, I'm bit puzzled at the 320km/h top speed* (even on Wikipedia), as I thought the design speed for these was 380km/h for use on the LGV Est. I saw the world record run live on TV and the commentary mentioned "a regular set has made a sweep of the line at the regular speed of 380km/h". I wonder if that's just an oversight or SNCF have changed their policy since.
    (*): note I said top speed as in top speed of the train, not the top speed of this stretch of LGV, which is correct.

    • @Wenel
      @Wenel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, not at all what you call 380 kph was a record in 1981 to show that the TGV would be on over seen 300 kph that the service of departure was 270 kph in 1981 during the putting into service of the TGV.Il had tests on the LGV there And and TGV can circulate over 350 kph but catenaries and Thus ways could not support him for a very long time in regular service for the moment (it is for later certainly) the SNCF changed not at all its politics
      Translation French to English with www.reverso.net

    • @Wenel
      @Wenel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      French: Non, pas du tout ce que vous appelez 380 km/h était un record en 1981 pour montrer que le TGV serait sur au-dessus de 300 km/h vu que le service de départ était de 270 km/h en 1981 lors de la mise en service du TGV.
      Il y eut des tests sur la LGV Et et les TGV peuvent circuler au-dessus de 350 km/h mais les caténaires et les voies ne pourraient le supporter très longtemps en service régulier pour le moment(c'est pour plus tard surement)
      Donc la SNCF n'a changé aucunement sa politique

  • @rjtoten
    @rjtoten 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reviews have been suggesting that the dynamic brakes are underpowered for the train. I think you video demonstrates they are more then adequate when used properly.

    • @bahnspotterEU
      @bahnspotterEU 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      There has been an update addressing this issue.

  • @NiCk-bf1oh
    @NiCk-bf1oh 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love high speed routes 😁

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed! :p

  • @Nikola16789
    @Nikola16789 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you know speed restrictions on non high speed sections? I hit 110km/h restriction out of nowhere and train executed emergency stop.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I drove the route through first and took note of the landmarks where speed limits start and end :)

    • @Nikola16789
      @Nikola16789 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      PTGRail Yea, that's a solution, but somehow I think that's not how it's being done irl. :)

    • @Tuppoo94
      @Tuppoo94 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Route learning is a real thing on railways. Just like bus and taxi drivers have to be familiar with local roads, train drivers have to be familiar with the lines they operate on.

    • @Nikola16789
      @Nikola16789 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's true, they have to pass line training first, and they have additional documentation about line. Additionally, due to software limitation, some speed restrictions at Fr tracks are not positioned correctly.

  • @dopplerfox
    @dopplerfox 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    French pronunciation is very easy to master once you've learned how certain letters are said.

  • @nuothe11th
    @nuothe11th 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PTG - I just splurged on an NVIDIA GTX 1070. I'd like to see if Train Simulator at its "worst" will STILL cause lag on one of the most state of the art cards out today. Which route package in your experience has had the worst lag yet? I might give Mannheim Karlsruhe a try because I remember that one was pretty bad.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm using the GTX 980 and still experience some lag in places. It varies from route to route. Mannheim to Karlsruhe is a bad one, as is New York to New Haven.

  • @Maniac3020
    @Maniac3020 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't like using cruise control much; I've found that the train accelerates slower with cruise control on, and loses more speed on steep gradients.

  • @ap_interlocking
    @ap_interlocking 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi PTG. This is Antonio on my new TH-cam account. I'd like to know when you're gonna be flying to Chicago and how long you're staying because I'd love to join you in making videos of trains and riding them. Thanks.

  • @riversideredz6082
    @riversideredz6082 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey PTG Rail I understand that I probably will not get a reply but I will appreciate it if you could! The thing is I have been trying to download reskins of BH I think the website is called for the class 91. ( Flying Scotsman and virgin branding liveries ) and there is no read me contained. I have tried extracting the file, installing the package and copying and pasting the files it says and clearing the dlc blueprint thing on TS 2016. It just will not work so I was wondering if you could release a tutorial on this or just reply and tell me what to do. Anyway your vids are great keep up the great work!

  • @samplays3971
    @samplays3971 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you get all these routes? do you spend that much money?

    • @Wenel
      @Wenel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes +3000 euros

  • @jordanlegate2812
    @jordanlegate2812 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    when is the next video.

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It will be released tonight. I was on holiday for two weeks which is why there haven't been many videos recently. :)

  • @mrelvispresley6977
    @mrelvispresley6977 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, tranks for your videos. One question, do you use RailDriver?

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your comment. I don't use RailDriver, I just use the mouse and keyboard :)

  • @somerandomdudelol
    @somerandomdudelol 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best speed to arrive for tgv x2 is 90 km/h

  • @hexagon7895
    @hexagon7895 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Correction: Aix-en-Provence is pronounced with the X sounded. So it's Ayx-en-Provence

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I looked up the pronunciation for Aix-en-Provence before recording this video, so I think I got it about right? :)

    • @hexagon7895
      @hexagon7895 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +PTGRail yes you were, I got into a bit of a middle with my first comment. The X is definitely sounded.

  • @laurencesmith796
    @laurencesmith796 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The cab is like the southestern javlelin

  • @hectorhardy6961
    @hectorhardy6961 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like train

  • @szymongorczynski7621
    @szymongorczynski7621 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Seems fairly strange that the French Railways run on the left...

    • @Thesupermachine2000
      @Thesupermachine2000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the french are a strange bunch of people tough...

    • @aarongilchrist9373
      @aarongilchrist9373 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's only the high speed railways that run on the left so they're compatible with the UK and the rest of Europe.

    • @szymongorczynski7621
      @szymongorczynski7621 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aaron Gilchrist So it's like that in the rest of Europe?

    • @bahnspotterEU
      @bahnspotterEU 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Szymon Gorczynski No

    • @phox4186
      @phox4186 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The whole French railway run on the left

  • @DemarD__D
    @DemarD__D 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    198mph

  • @emmaclarke9243
    @emmaclarke9243 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try to say "Marseille" as Margh say, with the "gh" pronunciation being less audible than the rest

  • @mr.haitian2729
    @mr.haitian2729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    train sim world 2!!!!!!!

    • @hbthetrainfan6133
      @hbthetrainfan6133 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! TSW2 TGV HYPE!

    • @mr.haitian2729
      @mr.haitian2729 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hbthetrainfan6133 now in production

    • @huncho1057
      @huncho1057 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bro I see you everywhere 😂😂😂

  • @Gordons1888
    @Gordons1888 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    TS does the TGV an injustice - it’s nowhere near manky enough

  • @boxcasa8975
    @boxcasa8975 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The tgv goes 574 km/h not 320 km/h!

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      On a special run with a specially modified train, it did. Normally it goes at a max 320km/h.

    • @huncho1057
      @huncho1057 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PTGRail where’s the uploads we miss you

  • @jermainetrainallen6416
    @jermainetrainallen6416 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    38:35 Voice crack lol

  • @alexcarter2678
    @alexcarter2678 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1st

  • @everythingbyjanetdullaghan5122
    @everythingbyjanetdullaghan5122 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Leipzig

  • @camjkerman
    @camjkerman 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video but the pronounciation of Aix-En-Provence is a bit off, it is pronounced like Axe-On-Provence

    • @PTGRail
      @PTGRail  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I looked up the pronunciation online first. But my French is very poor lol XD

  • @FireHawkGaming
    @FireHawkGaming 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ess-Ehnn-Say-Eff not See-Eff.

  • @alplaysyt8192
    @alplaysyt8192 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol