@@cunnyman thunderously yes and no . Was there any mention during the story of what earth it took place(of it was only one) or were the 3 joker's a universal thing. Since the metron chair said it it could be either really
If the Joker's wife was so terrified of her husband that the cops faked her death so she could escape him, doesn't that mean that he was always the Joker? Doesn't it mean that his dump in acid was just the push he needed to give in to the monster that was already inside him? That's how I took it anyway. Great review btw!!
It's a little hard to say. There could be some details left out in the origin that we as readers/fans might not know about. If I had to put a theory, I wanna say his change in career and not making anyone laugh was probably what began to drove him insane to the point he probably tortured his wife, only to come to realization and back off. However, that was just enough to put his wife on edge that she needed to get away from him, then leading to worse day of his life. I only say the whole torture thing because we know that the family was struggling to make ends met and she wanted him to be happy or so I re-call. So him snapping out at her in violence would make some sense, but again it's only a theory. Although I wonder if we'll ever see a "Son of the Joker" where somehow the survived son ends up taking on the mantle.
I still may prefer the idea that Joker didn't really go crazy until he thought his wife and child were dead. Maybe he was already involved with the mob and living dangerously, but maybe the chemical accident gave him the brain damage needed to become someone truly sinister.
@@MrSukram777 dunno the episode but it was set in the future and featured an older Bruce and some female (think catwoman), joker was old and in electric scooter and had a young protege. Joker's protege collapses a museum on batman and the female killing them and one of the Robin's takes up the batman mantle in the final scene.
Okay let’s start with casting! Kevin Conroy : Batman (duh) Mark Hamill : Joker (The Comedian) Troy Baker : Joker (The Clown) However I don’t know who would be a good pick for The Criminal Joker. You can decide the rest of the cast if you want:)
Lol I thought I was the only one that caught that! While I genuinely appreciated the story and the expansion of the mythos, much of this series' success is owed to Fabok's art and this is a great example
@@variant Doesn't "Three Jokers" take place before Joker War? Since Alfred was still alive here and Commissioner Gordon had not been infected. Also, it'd make the War a more satisfying conclusion when Batman ignored him to save Harleen, which was a perfect insult to the Joker who wanted to be his greatest pain. It's like Lego Batman but more mature and intense.
Much like Three Jokers story, Killing Joke can be both read as canon or non canon. Alan Moore wrote it with the intention to be non canon so you basically can say Batman did kill Joker. That was the original point of that mysterious ending.
@@GavanS the graphic novel was originally written with the intention to be a self contained story before DC made it canon, there for, it was still valid to theorize the ending.
We still don't know his name nor do we know the origin of the other 2 Jokers, we don't even know who was the original Joker. We just know Killing Joke is the definite Joker from this point on. Even though each Joker represented different eras in Batmans career, (1940's Joker, Silver age Joker & Killing Joke) they all seemed to share the same memories and take credit for each others work. It's pretty clever actually.
Stuff like this can be a reminder of how good and pure Batman can be. This is the way he should be. Likeable and loveable even. A man that can look his parents' killer in the face and not only forgive him but save his life. Then when you think that's beautiful he takes it to a new level completely unforseen. Something you'll probably never see anyone do for their parents killer. Be at his bedside with him when he dies. This story contains a reminder of what superheroes should be in comics and comic adaptations.
That’s why I always loved the animated carton version of Batman cuz it shows that side for Batman more , the one that cares for the people and always saving innocents.
Joe Chill did regret for what he did. If Bane was here he might have killed him for creating Batman. Bane: Buenas Noches Batman. I've been expecting you. Nobody goes on or off to Santa Prisca without Bane knowing. >:D 👍🏼 Earth 0 Bane: 💪🏼😤💪🏼 Young Justice/Earth 16 Bane: 💪🏼👁️👄👁️💪🏼 Earth 12/DCAU Bane: 💪🏼🤪💪🏼 Jokers(Criminal, Comedian, Clown Prince of Crime) Earth 0: 🤡😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Younh Justice/Earth 16 Joker: Anthony Padilla Joker. 🤡🧒🤡 Earth 12/DCAU Joker: 😁😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Mr. Wolfchamp...Comics, as you know, are representative to their time period. For example, in the golden age, Batman had machine guns on his Batmobile, and killed. Which is why I don't get all the hate for the movies like BvS, and Man Of Steel. There were times when Batman killed, and there were also times when things between Superman, and humans, were not so good. But, like you, I prefer a more pure Batman, a hero, without powers. Which is desperately needed in modern day comics.
Wouldn't at all say that Batman is AT ALL "pure" as he has too many issues to deal with personally to be in anyway "pure" in the slightest but Batman IS a good man whose always trying to do the right things even if it's through extreme methods of his own. Just a remainder, it wasn't east for him to forgive Joe Chill AT ALL, that was hard to do that it's hard to forgive those who did you wrong especially massively traumatize you for life as they did.
Adding on to this, have the Joker kill his son as Robin like Jason Todd and have it be revealed to him that it was his son. Can't even imagine the reaction coming from the Joker if it were to go down like that.
I loved this story arc. But out of everything, the biggest gut punch was knowing Barbara will never see that note. Everything blew my mind, but that one just hurt.
I’m glad that this story confirms that jokers origins from the killing joke is canon.When finds out that his son and wife are Still alive all Hell is gonna break loose I mean that was partially why he became the joker and now that they are alive it’s almost like he became the joker for no reason
I took it as Batgirl is being sarcastic pretending to act like "you sound like my dad" and wasn't actually addressing Gordon as her papa. Conversation would be different if Gordon addressed her in the familiar and not just an old man giving advice to a young woman that could be his daughter.
Barbara has been in a relationship with Dick, Bruce, Tim, and now they're teasing Jason. Am I the only one weirded out by this? I know they are different continuities but, it's definitely...
My favorite part is that no matter how talented and smart Jason is, he couldn't figure out how to slide a love note under a door......or get decent scotch tape. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Imagine a “Three Jokers” animated movie? The comedian: Mark Hamill The clown: Troy Baker The criminal: John DiMaggio I would watch the hell out of that!
@@shaggytheultimate4460 process of elimination more than anything. I wanted to include who I think are the 3 best to voice the Joker. And I think John would do the more serious and soft spoken Criminal very well.
@@kurtwilson7868 I thought John DiMaggio was the Joker that broke Jason? So he should be the clown. He was also very funny in a sadistic way. Troy shpuld be The criminal because he plays a more straight man Joker and sounds closer to Mark Hamill.
Damn that's intense. That final confrontation between Joker & Batman in the vehicle is everything their relationship conflict is about. Joker needs Batman. It's the ying & the yang at its peak.
Imagine how cool a line during a story line dealing with the family In Alaska and batman says something like "I've been laughing for years" or "I played the joke on you."
Honestly, whenever they make the comic where joker finds out his family is alive and that Bruce knew the whole time, the title of the story should be “the last laugh”. Since literally for all the terrible things joker has done, Bruce knowing his greatest secret that joker doesn’t even know and keeping it from him would hurt joker for more than anything he’s done to Bruce. It would invalidate everything the joker has ever done
Loving the use of the original Red Hood costume, instead of the one which literally makes it easy for someone to bash him on the head from behind with a baseball bat or a crowbar, defeating the purpose of the hood.
Three Jokers really focused on the Character development of Batman, Batgirl and Red Hood. The growth in character from Jason after he sees how Barbara kept her wheelchair, along with their sparked love interet was awesome! seeing a deep dive into her struggle was powerful and straight up tear jerking. plus finally seeing Batman move on by saving the life of his parents killer and being with him in his dying moments, like woa hella powerful. My only complaint is I wish they could've downplayed Barbara as a dougheyed sexual interest a bit, even if she is a goddess. This amazing character growth , ( AND AMAZING ARTWORK BY JASON FABOK AND BRAD ANDERSON, I MEAN SERIOUSLY THE COLORWORK IS NEXT LEVEL) are the reasons these books will be felt in the Batman world for years to come!
lol what? Barbara is NEVER a "dougheyed sexual interest" AT ALL in anyway, she's just a love interest for Redhood and that's it for that aspect which was very well fleshed out for a possibility in this storyline but Batgirl is still her own character here entirely so! That simple!
Geoff Johns is hands down one of DC’s biggest writers that have had the most impact. And Jason and Barbara could be really great together and I’m glad this story shows that to us. He’s been “Red Hood” for so long, when he could be SO much more and I would love a canon story that gets them together and causes Jason to grow and become more. Thought?
you are not alone in that. Ive always thought that they would be good together. I preffer Dick to Kory so I have no problems with Barbara not being with him. Jason and Barbara can relate to each other in many ways, yet they are both so different which is interesting.
I dont agree about Jason or Barbara but I can see how they could work. I really wish Jason would get treated better. He definitely deserves to be loved and allowed to grow
I love how all the "comic book experts" trashed this ending because they never found out who the 3 jokers were while missing the entire point of the story.
That's why VariantComics is the goat. Like Aris sees the deeper meaning behind the story, not everything has to have a perfect explanation. Joker's whole thing is being left ambiguous which entails more greater comic book storylines.
See, I get the point, and I totally understand it, but at this point it's simply getting ridiculous. This makes, what, the fourth or fifth storyline in the past decade where they try to put huge emphasis on the Joker's identity and they tease the whole "we'll find out who the Joker really is" in each one? Then they never reveal it, with the statement that "Joker's identity doesn't matter", only to bring it up again in another arc like two years later and starting the whole cycle over again. It's becoming repetitive as hell. If Joker's identity doesn't matter, then voila, it doesn't matter. Stop writing stories that revolve around it, have this one be the last one, and move on. But consistently bringing his identity up over and over again in multiple different arcs as a major plot point really kinda implies that his identity DOES actually matter.
I would say that I understand why The Killing Joke origin bring canon frustrates some fans because the ambiguity made him more intriguing, I also understand why it’s now canon. It’s hard to build upon Jokers story further without having a solid backstory to work from. The reveal in this story (even though it’s awesome) is probably going to be taken badly but it’ll make room for even more epic stories.
I’d prefer the Jack Napier mobster orgin as his true orgin. The killing joke really sucks and is a horrible comic . It ruins the joker by making him a victim. I’d prefer he has no orgin but if he has one make him supernatural immortal make him The Pale Man from the endgame comics. This Criminal at least has mysterious past and he is the oldest anyway. It doesn’t even make sense to say the 80s joker of the killing joke is the original
The Killing Joke story is canon but not for the comedian. He was imagining the criminals origin as his own. Bats confirms the criminal was the 1st he met n only confirms the part about having a family. The comedian still has no back story he just going back n forth like when he said he beat jason with a crowbar...that was the clown. So we are left with a Joker who is still a mystery. Back where we started.
This comic was an insult to the character of the Joker . The killing joke is good if you remove all the joker backstory parts because that ruins the character. He should have no backstory
The only thing the ending proves is that the killing joke is canon as one joker origin. We still have no orgin for the other two and the other two are older . The Comedian is from the 80s . The Clown is the silver age joker of the 60s. The Criminal is the golden age joker of the 40 50s . He is the oldest
From how I understand comics, a joker from the 40s doesn't make him 70+ years old. A story from the 40s could have been two years ago in comic years. That being said, the Killing Joke Joker could have created the other two, but the story made it seem like the 40s Joker could have been the original, just as much as the KJ.
Even if a 40s story is two years ago that mean everything else in the comics still takes place later after it in the timeline. The comics are still chronological. The older comics happen first and the newer comics happen later . So unless joker is a time traveler he can’t go back to before he was born and create more of him . The very idea of the three jokers shows them as different ages . One is clearly a lot older than the others the Criminal is the oldest
I think it is canon but not sure . This comic is really confusing people a lot and the problem is the last issue. The second issue makes it very clear the Criminal is the original he even tells Robin he is the first joker and he was in Gotham before Batman was even Batman. Then in issue 3 suddenly they have the killing joke Joker saying he doesn’t know who made who . It’s pretty obvious the criminal is the oldest and the original joker from the 1940s. Batman even say at one point the Criminal looks exactly like the first joker they met. The killing joke is the modern Joker . He can’t be the original because the 1940s joker is already the original and way older. Another reason is the killing joke shows joker falling in acid after he runs into Batman and gets scared. So Batman already exists before he turned into joker. The Criminal on the other hand has no orgin and and he was just joker from the beginning. He says he fell in chemicals at one point but that happens before Batman even meets him. So one Joker fell in chemicals long before meeting Batman while the killing joke Joker fell in chemicals after he met Batman
Bro, this series just became a instant classic. Sure it didn't answer every single question we had but what good comic does? This series is going up there with The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, and the Court of Owls for me personally. Jesus Christ this was a good story.
Thank you for telling these comic book stories to all of us that haven't quite gotten into reading comics, but are still interested in the stories told.
Idk about heath being the criminal, I get where your coming from, but I prefer Nicholson being the criminal. Joaquin is DEFINITELY the comedian though!
But Dont you think Criminal should be Joaquin?? He was the only one that said it hurts to laugh... Reminding me of the condition Joaquin's Joker has.
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@@mohammadjahanbakhsh7335 yeah i agree, though in my opinion Joaquin's Joker never became the joker or even will become the joker he isn't smart like the other Jokers, he isn't a mastermind in what he does, he isn't even cazy
This is just a theory, maybe gotham had already outlawed the death penalty a long time before supervillains were on the street. That could explain why no one has been killed by the government yet
@@havewissmart9602 "That's why no one has been killed by the government yet" Amanda Waller would tend to disagree xD unless your an official snooping around in which case no they've not killed anyone with say a squad that's sent on suicide missions xD
It doesn't actually make sense at all why he isn't dead yet realistically. If you say they outlawed the death penalty it still doesn't make sense because the Joker and every other villain have done things outside of Gotham and throughout the whole world so it doesn't make sense as to why no government or even cop has killed the joker yet
11:29 Batman, Joker, and the man who murdered Batman’s parents, all standing together in Crime Alley, in flames, while another Joker is lying dead in the exact same spot where Batman’s parents died
Man I loved this issue but I dislike that jokers wife is alive because she was simply avoiding him bc she was scared of him, that just doesn’t feel right to me. I liked the original origin in killing joke where joker was a good man and husband in the past who was just trying to find work to support them, but his wife’s death turned him and his sanity to the way side. I liked the aspect that joker was truly loved in his past and that it was stripped away from him, and that is what destroyed him. I always felt joker’s wife should always be his one grip to humanity, but since she’s dead then so is his humanity. I also loved how in killing joke she was supportive of joker despite his failing career as a comedian, and that is what it made it so tragic that she died. Joker’s one thing he loved, gone. The one thing that truly loved him, gone. Joker’s humanity, gone. Joker’s past, gone. All that remained once she died was every bit of him that she was not. All that was left was a miserable, intelligent, angry, and viciously bitter comedian. Then dropping joker in the acid was the last straw, the final push. The birth of the joker as we know him. I always liked how his killing joke origin mirrored Batman’s, Batman lost what he loved and plunged into his insanity by becoming a bat costumed hero. Joker lost what he loved and turned into a insane clown criminal. I dislike that this comic has joker as a more abusive husband that his wife avoided and left. That just doesn’t sit right with me for his origin. However maybe that sorrow of his wife never dying and just leaving will give joker some extreme pain and even more insanity when he finds out. Taking the love out of joker’s origin may just make him even more tragic if a villain and even more of a psycho. And what about his kid?! What’s gonna happen with that?!Who knows, either way this issue definitely leaves me excited for what’s next
@Someone Special I wouldn’t say boring since the fact that joker has a child and wife alive will bring some insane stories probably in the future, but I feel this new origin does get rid of the depth in joker’s character. However like comics in general, joker changes with each universe and comic reset.
I kinda liked it. It debunks his whole humanity is terrible and that we're all one bad day away from being him. He was never a good man gone bad he was just a cruel menace, and no matter how much he tries he's never going to make a decent man turn.
@@J99___ i kinda like it. I mean maybe he wasn't abusive to his wife yet but heading there. Maybe she judge his attitude to quickly, Maybe he already had a pre-existing psychological disorder she or even joker didn't even know about, and that's the reason he was like that, and that's why joker thinks "it only takes one bad day for an average person to turn like him" Either way his wife leaving him out of fear and not staying with him out of love should have a big impact on Joker's psyche and i'd love to see that.
@J99 same. It didn't also feels right to me. It kinda stripped the "All it takes is one bad day to drive a sane man to lunacy". In my opinion, I like the backstory of him being a normal struggling commoner with the tragedies keep happening leading him to be the joker. Just like what u've said, I also like the wife being supportive to joker. When in this issue turns out she was scared of him the whole time - just not feeling it. If there will be a sequel to this, idk maybe showing the wife's change of heart is because of their financial instability. Like having reason of her leaving the pre-joker because she realize that love won't guarantee they could eat a meal 3x a day or they won't even have a feast for birthdays of their son or something like that. For me (we could vary in opinion) that sounds a more fitting reason.
I mean maybe the joker was abusive to his wife but remembered his pre joker life as a supportive loving family. I mean he is insane... and did say if he were to have an origin for it to be multiple choice.
I was really hoping for that history of Doctor Doom video to be released during villains month of this year. Oh well this year of villains month was still awesome. Great work guys
@@josephliloia8633 Well when Variant did the how powerful is Doctor Doom episode last year Arris said they would give him a history of episode in 2020. Which tells me they never did that.
My favorite part was Jason straight saying that when he sees the joker, it’s on sight. This is why Jason is my favorite. He’s ready to do what’s needed and doesn’t care if it’s right with Batman
It's not official that Killing Joke was actually his origin. It only shows that he may have suffered from some Split-Personality disorder. We all know The Joker's suffering from a split personality. The question is, did he always ? Or did it start because of the acid vat he fell into ? When he was a regular human, did he *genuinely* believe he was good to his wife ? Or did he know he abused her and just forgot about it because of his... "condition" ???
But it is official isn’t it? Because the panel we see of the officers helping his wife flee from him isn’t something he would know about, it’s something Batman knows about. So we were seeing a flashback from Batman to the point in time where his wife dipped on him ergo killing joke is canon
@@aladdin8236 What I'm saying is that what we saw in Killing Joke is a rather... "happier" lie than the painful reality that we see in Three Jokers. In reality, Joker did abuse his wife. But that's not what he THINKS. Whether he understood what he was doing at the time or not is a different question, but the reality is that deep down, he knows something was wrong there, hence why when he was daydreaming in issue #2, they were afraid of him.
@@daniellevy8935 I agree with this. The Killing Joke--for how twisted Joker is in that story--made his past self very tragic and someone who did care about his wife, but was suffering from constant pressure. The Three Jokers makes him look more like an abusive husband, which contradicts the previous belief. It's possible that Joker THOUGHT he was good to his wife because his mind is so messed up, but he simply wasn't, which would work well for the whole "identity crisis" he was known for having in the comics. Not sure how that explains there being two other Jokers, but eh...
This issue is amazing just the fact that Bruce had knew after all these years, also I’m kinda sad cause now I feel like we’ll never see a Jason/Barbara relationship but idk they’ll come up with something
If they were ever gonna confirm joker’s origin I love that this is how they did it. It just adds so much to joker. We still have the mystery of his name. But we also have 2 fantastic new pieces of info. The fact that joker became joker for no reason just adds to the fact he is pure chaos. We now know the joker doesn’t have any reason to exist as the joker therefore he truly is just pure chaos and evil with no reason beyond that. We also know that he has a family. This can be used for so many interesting stories. There will have to be stories where they find out that the father became this evil joker and where the joker realises his family is alive. What this will do to joker is so interesting. He will either lose his insane personality because of this or become fuelled with hate and anger for Batman for never revealing this sooner. Plus how will Batman 100% knowing who joker is play into their interactions from now on. God I really love this
Balance in all things, Joker knows who Batman is, and Batman knows who Joker is. But their original identities don't matter to them, just their ideals and belief system. They are both antithesis and the same.
So theoretically Batman could’ve put an end to the Joker by telling him his wife and child are alive possibly ending his rampage but he chooses not for the families protection and so he can keep the joker around
@@ailyyen9889 what would make you think the embodiment of insanity and evil would give up everything and reform because of his wife and kid... they showed the panel of what living with the joker would be, they'd be living in fear and he'd just be joker
I thought the same thing... maybe he was testing the chair... and then he was surprised because it said there were 3...? Overall I really enjoyed these issues tho. I’m still kind of undecided if I liked the ending😕
Basically he knew one of the jokers, he was surprised to find out that there are 3 jokers. Also there is no reason why not to ask the chair for the identity of Joker since he’s the only one that knows, so he was testing the chair to see it’s credibility, Joe Chill being the killer wasn’t a true test, as Batman brushed it off and said “yeah yeah Joe Chill” then asked the question that only he knows, so that’s the true test to the chair and to his surprise it says that there are three jokers not just the one he already knew, again he kept it secret to save joker family from ever being exposed.
Overall, I enjoyed the story. As for the ending, I'm a bit on the fence about it. The Jaybabs relationship honestly makes sense. Both met through Bruce, both have had traumatic experiences with the Joker, and both have gotten stronger from their pain. Though I prefer Barbara with Dick, Jaybabs is a neat spin on Batgirl x Robin. Also, where did you get your shirt?
Solid review, Variant!🃏However I do want to point something out to the fans who feel the mystery of the Joker is gone. We never found out the backstory of the other two Jokers who still played important events in Batmans life, we never found out who was the original Joker and we never found out the Jokers name. We only know for a fact that Killing Joke Joker is canon and the definite Joker going forward. Rest assure, Alan Moore did originally write Killing Joke with the intention to be non canon, so whatever theories you had on that story are still valid when you look at the story by itself. I hope that helps. 😉
This was really good. I think we can conclude at this point Batman "needs" the Joker....even if he doesn't want to admit it. He stop caring about Joe Chill decades ago.
I think the fact that Batman knows who the Joker is, and his origin is the one we saw in Killing Joke, confirms The Comedian is indeed the original one since he was the one having daydreams of his wife and child. I don't know how I feel about this story- my first thoughts were that it was somewhat underwhelming and didn't feel like something that was worth hyping up for years. Why would the Mobius chair say there were three Jokers when in the end Joker does have a true name and defined origin, one that Batman ALREADY KNEW? Having three Jokers turned out to be as unnecessary as I feared it would be. The Joker has had different motivations over the years, he's obsessed over different things and his crimes have varied dramatically depending on writers and what era of comics he was in. In Batman Arkham Asylum a Serious House on Serious Earth, this aspect of the Joker is explained by him having his own special brand of insanity where he changes how he is depending on his needs. I much prefer that, rather than just saying there was one Joker who is about certain things, and he made two other Jokers who are about different things. Rather than one unpredictable character who continuously reinvents himself deliberately, it's now just three characters with different ideals-- and then two of them die. They essentially streamlined the Joker and his motivations, which for some might be a good thing, but to me I like Joker being unpredictable. Confirming Joker's origin also felt unnecessary, idk that I ever needed that to happen.Again, it streamlines Joker and removes some of the mystery of the character. I didn't love how Barbara Gordon was used in this story. She's just kinda there. I also don't love how they made her a love interest for Jason. We've already seen her as Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and even Bruce Wayne's love interest over the years- can they not think of anything interesting to do with her besides being a romantic foil for one of the Bat-family dudes? I did like how Jason was characterized and was happy they incorporated how he's really separate from batman and the main Bat-family (even tho we only saw Babs and Bruce). Again tho I didn't love the romance with Barbara, and it felt weird that he just really really wanted to be with her here. I know what they were going for since both he and Babs have Joker related trauma in common, but still, I can't say I loved it. I did really like the Joe Chill part of the story. Joker going out of his way to actually have Bruce resolve his anger and vengeance towards Chill so that his origin would no longer be the biggest trauma of his life is really interesting, and probably the best idea here. I'm just not sure it required three Jokers to tell that story.
Really great post, didn’t agree with it all but the very end I simi agree with. Resolving Batman’s hate towards Chill didn’t need this kind of story. Side note. I do think Jason and Barbara would be good because they were tied so close together from both suffering from the Joker and going two completely different paths and I think it would be awesome to see those paths meet one day with an amazing writer
The killing joke joker is one joker. We still have no orgin for the other two and the other are older. Silver age and Golden age comes before modern age . The killing joke is modern age so it’s impossible for him to be the original. The Criminal even says he is the first and Batman even says the Criminal is the first joker they met . The killing joke joker is also a complete different joker . How is this hard for people to understand.
I get that the Criminal is said to be basically the golden age Joker which implies he’s the first and original... except Batman says he knows who Joker is and it’s the one with the killing Joke origin- aka the Comedian. He said he knew that within the *first week* of meeting the Joker. The Comedian is the one who’s wife faked her death and is in hiding with their son. That has to be the original Joker since he’s the one related to the wife, and Batman knew about them since pretty much the beginning. They also never definitively give a timeline for when the other Jokers were created, so just because the Comedian Joker is the one of Killing Joke and Endgame and other later stories, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible he’s the original. If the Criminal Joker is supposed to be the original that created the other two how do you reconcile that with the confirmed Killing Joke origin Batman knows Joker has had since the beginning? Because that origin wouldn’t belong to the criminal, it applies to the comedian. And anyways this is all besides the point because I’d rather have had just one Joker with an unconfirmed origin, who himself changed and evolved over the years, than three jokers who exist to explain Joker’s change in character in the dumbest and most unnecessary way possible.
I'd like to give a different thought on the other two jokers origins. Let just say that for the sake of clarity that the killing joke joker is the original, what if he created these other jokers and through manipulation and brainwashing gave each of them distinctly different personalities based off his own at varying times in his life? The criminal being him at the beginning: focused, objective and cunning but still unhinged. The clown being him at the middle of his career after being foiled by Batman many times and made a mockery he begins to loose his focus and becomes less the challenge compared to the other villains making their appearance at this time, he can't get batmans attention from being just an ordenary bad guy so he further embraces the clown motif. Then as his gag crimes become less and less a challenge for the dark knight he evolves into the joker we know today, cunning but unfocused, a twisted humor but also a need to maintain the spotlight. The killing joke joker is the two others blended together. I think he created these two as a way to throw Batman off his game but what he failed to account for was that the same personalities he set in these two would become so dominant that they each believed themselves to be the original. When they started to be to hard to control and threatened to usurp him with their plot,he through his own cunning hatches the plan to use their plot for his own purposes. I think this joker just found a way to kill two birds with one stone. I think it makes sense for him not to waste the opertunity to mess with batsy.😂
If that’s tru then the joker is ruined as a character. He should not have an orgin or family. I get what you’re saying have the killing joke be retconned into the early 1950s and he brainwashed other to think they are him . That’s very overly complicated. I’d prefer the joker be a mystery no orgin at all. The Criminal is old old joker who has no orgin. The Clown another joker with no orgin. The killing joke joker is already ruined by having an origin
Wait a damn minute- If back in issue 2, the comedian imagined having dinner with his wife and child who look exactly like the do look like in issue 3... Would this mean that the Joker could possibly already know that his wife and child are alive, but doesn't care cause Batman is his main obsession??
Y'all picked up the fact that his son looks exactly the same as the one he had in his hallucination in the earlier issue? It leaves me to believe that Joker already knows that his wife and kid are alive
Say what you will about this story line, but the idea that the joker would help Batman work through his greatest trauma only because the joker wanted to be the one who caused the Batman the greatest pain is the next level of insanity that I love from this
What I wanna see next is what will happen when “Killing Joke” Joker realizes that his wife faked her death because she no longer loved him and was scared of forever being with him. Even Batman himself is saying that Hell will break loose if Joker finds them.
The meaning of the joker card: In Euchre it is often used to represent the highest trump. In poker, it is wild. However, in the children's game named Old Maid, a solitary Joker represents the Old Maid, a card that is to be avoided. The joker is no longer just a symbol of chaos. But a story of perception. The joker is a man built of ones own demanding for destiny. His life destroyed. His feelings cast away in a shell not of his own. He was avoided and cast away. The joke is not the fact that the joker lost everything anymore. Its that the joker was pushed away from everything he ever wanted. Pulled into the darkness. Much like Bruce was pulled into the darkness after Joe Chill killed his parents. His parents killer redeemed, deceased. Batman is aware of the fact people can change. The perception has shifted. There is no cowl. There is no lie. Only the blurred line of bitter sweet truth and that my friends is the real killing joke.
It’s so sad that Barbra will never get the letter hopefully in some way shape or form in a different comic she gets it maybe in a different series that’s related
Arris, you would be an awesome teacher. I honestly love the way you you present your evidence, explain it, and then deliver the reasoning behind it all. My students can learn a lot by your example.
This was fucking amazing. The duality of Batman and The Jokers relationship just got way more complex. They essentially got an ace in the hole for each other.
“I healed your greatest wound , so Now I can be your greatest pain” Legendary.
That sounds like my ex
Ironic isn’t it ? 😭
The Killing Joke Joker said it best
"If I were to have an origin, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice."
Too bad we got a definite answer now
Its a good twist but what would be like to have them exposed
@@cunnyman thunderously yes and no . Was there any mention during the story of what earth it took place(of it was only one) or were the 3 joker's a universal thing. Since the metron chair said it it could be either really
@@wugglesx main Earth.
This ties into Joker War where he started using his knowledge of Bruce/Bats past to steal his fortune and conquer Gotham.
NO
If the Joker's wife was so terrified of her husband that the cops faked her death so she could escape him, doesn't that mean that he was always the Joker? Doesn't it mean that his dump in acid was just the push he needed to give in to the monster that was already inside him? That's how I took it anyway. Great review btw!!
yea I agree.
It's a little hard to say. There could be some details left out in the origin that we as readers/fans might not know about. If I had to put a theory, I wanna say his change in career and not making anyone laugh was probably what began to drove him insane to the point he probably tortured his wife, only to come to realization and back off. However, that was just enough to put his wife on edge that she needed to get away from him, then leading to worse day of his life.
I only say the whole torture thing because we know that the family was struggling to make ends met and she wanted him to be happy or so I re-call. So him snapping out at her in violence would make some sense, but again it's only a theory. Although I wonder if we'll ever see a "Son of the Joker" where somehow the survived son ends up taking on the mantle.
@@UrSammich
Damiens generation of the Joker 🃏
I still may prefer the idea that Joker didn't really go crazy until he thought his wife and child were dead. Maybe he was already involved with the mob and living dangerously, but maybe the chemical accident gave him the brain damage needed to become someone truly sinister.
@@AsianEyes007 that would be interesting to see Bruce and damian kind having their own generation of the joker
Meanwhile, The Joker in Batman the Brave and the Bold: "I'm crazy, not stupid. Of course I knew he was Bruce Wayne"
I remember that episode it was my favorite
Don’t remember that at all
When did he say that?
@@MrSukram777 dunno the episode but it was set in the future and featured an older Bruce and some female (think catwoman), joker was old and in electric scooter and had a young protege. Joker's protege collapses a museum on batman and the female killing them and one of the Robin's takes up the batman mantle in the final scene.
@@MrOmega409 Knights of Tomorrow, I think. I loved it.
This story needs to become an animated movie with Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill... Like now.
If not Conroy, I'd take the guy who voice him in the under the red hood movie
Okay let’s start with casting!
Kevin Conroy : Batman (duh)
Mark Hamill : Joker (The Comedian)
Troy Baker : Joker (The Clown)
However I don’t know who would be a good pick for The Criminal Joker. You can decide the rest of the cast if you want:)
@@jaytender4949 John Dimaggio(who voiced Joker in Batman Under the Red Hood) should voice the criminal joker
People in 2022: (sniff) 😭
RIP Kevin Conroy
The janitor who sweeps up the JT note, is wearing the Joker purple, and it says “Funtime Cleaners”. The door is left open for that.
Yuuuuup, soon as I even got a glimpse of the color I knew lol.
I also believe the Criminal and the Clown pre Joker are in the last panel at the end
Lol I thought I was the only one that caught that! While I genuinely appreciated the story and the expansion of the mythos, much of this series' success is owed to Fabok's art and this is a great example
Next up: Batgirl/Red Hood adventures vs The Joker.
@@nathancarbajal6383 which panel are you talking about? I can’t find it
This entire comic series needs to become a animated movie.
If it will become then I would not have second thought to go to theatre's, I will watch if the showing theater is neat enough to approach .
it'd be neat
If it happens , I will watch it in .
Get Mark Hammil (the true joker), Jack Nicholson (old man joker) and Alan Tudyk (the comedian) to do the voices!
It has to become a animated movie
This also confirms that Batman didn’t kill joker at the end of the killing joke
Even without referring to other stories and from just reading TKJ, I never took it that Batman actually killed the Joker.
or Batman did, but Joker came back with Superboy Prime punching realities.
@@variant Doesn't "Three Jokers" take place before Joker War? Since Alfred was still alive here and Commissioner Gordon had not been infected. Also, it'd make the War a more satisfying conclusion when Batman ignored him to save Harleen, which was a perfect insult to the Joker who wanted to be his greatest pain. It's like Lego Batman but more mature and intense.
OH YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
Dennis Gabriel Morales same
Not only does it confirm that The killing Joke was canon, but it also must confirm that Batman did NOT kill the joker at the end of The Killing Joke.
Unfortunately.
Much like Three Jokers story, Killing Joke can be both read as canon or non canon. Alan Moore wrote it with the intention to be non canon so you basically can say Batman did kill Joker. That was the original point of that mysterious ending.
@@GavanS the graphic novel was originally written with the intention to be a self contained story before DC made it canon, there for, it was still valid to theorize the ending.
Killing Joke is canon, 3 Jokers is not
And everybody knows Batman didn’t kill Joker
@@silloweet at least I knew that
Pros and Cons to this story:
- We lose the mystery behind The Joker
*But*
- We gain official canonical lore about him
@Cyclonu X
Yes, there are three Jokers. Although they still don’t go completely in depth on ALL of their origins and how they’re created altogether.
We still don't know his name nor do we know the origin of the other 2 Jokers, we don't even know who was the original Joker. We just know Killing Joke is the definite Joker from this point on. Even though each Joker represented different eras in Batmans career, (1940's Joker, Silver age Joker & Killing Joke) they all seemed to share the same memories and take credit for each others work. It's pretty clever actually.
Wait...I forgot where I saw this...but didn’t Robin kill him by stabbing him in the eye with a butter knife?....
Yea, this isn't official canonical lore. I can't think of any possible reason you would think that.
@@mattjones2903 I could have sworn they confirmed this to be canon even though it’s DC Black Label.
Stuff like this can be a reminder of how good and pure Batman can be. This is the way he should be. Likeable and loveable even. A man that can look his parents' killer in the face and not only forgive him but save his life. Then when you think that's beautiful he takes it to a new level completely unforseen. Something you'll probably never see anyone do for their parents killer. Be at his bedside with him when he dies. This story contains a reminder of what superheroes should be in comics and comic adaptations.
That’s why I always loved the animated carton version of Batman cuz it shows that side for Batman more , the one that cares for the people and always saving innocents.
Joe Chill did regret for what he did. If Bane was here he might have killed him for creating Batman.
Bane: Buenas Noches Batman. I've been expecting you. Nobody goes on or off to Santa Prisca without Bane knowing. >:D 👍🏼
Earth 0 Bane: 💪🏼😤💪🏼
Young Justice/Earth 16 Bane:
💪🏼👁️👄👁️💪🏼
Earth 12/DCAU Bane: 💪🏼🤪💪🏼
Jokers(Criminal, Comedian, Clown Prince of Crime) Earth 0: 🤡😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Younh Justice/Earth 16 Joker: Anthony Padilla Joker. 🤡🧒🤡
Earth 12/DCAU Joker: 😁😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Mr. Wolfchamp...Comics, as you know, are representative to their time period. For example, in the golden age, Batman had machine guns on his Batmobile, and killed. Which is why I don't get all the hate for the movies like BvS, and Man Of Steel. There were times when Batman killed, and there were also times when things between Superman, and humans, were not so good. But, like you, I prefer a more pure Batman, a hero, without powers. Which is desperately needed in modern day comics.
@@theminotaur8015
Batmetal: THAT'S RIGHT!
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Wouldn't at all say that Batman is AT ALL "pure" as he has too many issues to deal with personally to be in anyway "pure" in the slightest but Batman IS a good man whose always trying to do the right things even if it's through extreme methods of his own. Just a remainder, it wasn't east for him to forgive Joe Chill AT ALL, that was hard to do that it's hard to forgive those who did you wrong especially massively traumatize you for life as they did.
Okay, this was good.
It wasn't good it was great
I love this man
Where does Harley fit in all of this? Which Joker was Harley with?
@@irichard1T the clown
I hope so starting it now
The Ultimate joke that Batman can pull on the Joker is if he made his son the next Robin.
Like Arkham Knight but worse?
Adding on to this, have the Joker kill his son as Robin like Jason Todd and have it be revealed to him that it was his son. Can't even imagine the reaction coming from the Joker if it were to go down like that.
@@blessedchris25 damn, that's entirely antithetical to batmans character but it'd be awesome regardless.
@@galarstar052 that’s what the Batman who laughs should do
They do make Harleys daughter a hero but Harley is kind of reformed so idk of that really counts.
I loved this story arc. But out of everything, the biggest gut punch was knowing Barbara will never see that note. Everything blew my mind, but that one just hurt.
True
no fr..
I love how Jason knew that Batman was lying about Joker's identity
lol, its would make sense cuz Jason has trust issues.
True
@@whitneysixx true
10:52 look at where batman's eyes should be. Looks like a tear drop
That's amazing. I didn't even notice that when I read it.
Wholly crap. I’m pretty sure that’s the first time ever we’ve seen Batman cry
@@Aegon1 I mean, didn't he cry when Jason died? I'm pretty sure that happened.
I think it's just rain.
@@muhammadre3oo52 looks like Rain but I honestly think its tears. he is in Crime Alley looking at the eyes of the person who killed his parents
My man Jason never gets a break...
Kuwa-
or consequences.
@@carrastealth ?
I’m glad that this story confirms that jokers origins from the killing joke is canon.When finds out that his son and wife are Still alive all Hell is gonna break loose I mean that was partially why he became the joker and now that they are alive it’s almost like he became the joker for no reason
Looking forward to seeing it, AAAAALL HELL WILL BRAKE LOOSE
He's... he's probably gonna un-break
This is why Batman joker tops everything in comic book history!!!
That’s when he’ll create the perfect joker.
@@CooperAATE
Bruh just un-breaks 😂
"I healed your greatest wound so *I* can become your greatest pain."
That the most Legendary punchline i ever heard
Imagine if Gordon didn't know and was just giving advice, and then Barbara says "Dad", and he's just standing there shocked, and like "What?"
True very true
I took it as Batgirl is being sarcastic pretending to act like "you sound like my dad" and wasn't actually addressing Gordon as her papa. Conversation would be different if Gordon addressed her in the familiar and not just an old man giving advice to a young woman that could be his daughter.
“Three Jokers”
Harley Quinn:
Harley Quinn: Yes.
Harley Quinn: Threesome, Oh Yeah..
Allan Romero that would be foursome, unless she's watching the three go at it
Harley Quinn: Oh BaBy A tRiPlE, oH yEaH
Puddins
Barbara has been in a relationship with Dick, Bruce, Tim, and now they're teasing Jason. Am I the only one weirded out by this? I know they are different continuities but, it's definitely...
Ik! I hate it! Like why tf are they hooking her up with all the members when she is meant to be with only Dick?!?
@@sup3414 nah that's starfire.
@@onenerdygeek812 that's funny.
She's supposed to be with me.
@@americansoldier7302 “Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down”
My favorite part is that no matter how talented and smart Jason is, he couldn't figure out how to slide a love note under a door......or get decent scotch tape.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ha ha ha
Imagine a “Three Jokers” animated movie?
The comedian: Mark Hamill
The clown: Troy Baker
The criminal: John DiMaggio
I would watch the hell out of that!
why john dimaggio as the criminal
@@shaggytheultimate4460 process of elimination more than anything. I wanted to include who I think are the 3 best to voice the Joker. And I think John would do the more serious and soft spoken Criminal very well.
@@kurtwilson7868 oh ok
@@kurtwilson7868 I thought John DiMaggio was the Joker that broke Jason? So he should be the clown. He was also very funny in a sadistic way. Troy shpuld be The criminal because he plays a more straight man Joker and sounds closer to Mark Hamill.
Won't happen due to Kevin Conroy's passing for Mark. Really sad.
Damn that's intense. That final confrontation between Joker & Batman in the vehicle is everything their relationship conflict is about. Joker needs Batman. It's the ying & the yang at its peak.
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Imagine how cool a line during a story line dealing with the family In Alaska and batman says something like "I've been laughing for years" or "I played the joke on you."
Honestly, whenever they make the comic where joker finds out his family is alive and that Bruce knew the whole time, the title of the story should be “the last laugh”. Since literally for all the terrible things joker has done, Bruce knowing his greatest secret that joker doesn’t even know and keeping it from him would hurt joker for more than anything he’s done to Bruce. It would invalidate everything the joker has ever done
Yeah that was big reaveal but dc not explain about how there a 2 joker left .
Guys this month went by quick
Facts 💯
Your right bro
This entire year is the fastest I've ever been through.
@@azazel_-or5pm January, February, and March felt kinda slow, but after that everything went quick
Years have been feeling fast for me, even before the Coronavirus quarantine smh
Loving the use of the original Red Hood costume, instead of the one which literally makes it easy for someone to bash him on the head from behind with a baseball bat or a crowbar, defeating the purpose of the hood.
Three Jokers really focused on the Character development of Batman, Batgirl and Red Hood. The growth in character from Jason after he sees how Barbara kept her wheelchair, along with their sparked love interet was awesome! seeing a deep dive into her struggle was powerful and straight up tear jerking. plus finally seeing Batman move on by saving the life of his parents killer and being with him in his dying moments, like woa hella powerful. My only complaint is I wish they could've downplayed Barbara as a dougheyed sexual interest a bit, even if she is a goddess. This amazing character growth , ( AND AMAZING ARTWORK BY JASON FABOK AND BRAD ANDERSON, I MEAN SERIOUSLY THE COLORWORK IS NEXT LEVEL) are the reasons these books will be felt in the Batman world for years to come!
Gosh same. Forcing love/sexual interests is unecessary. And I want Jason to have something outside of his family and past.
True but I like the Red hood and Batgirl relationship
The love interest between Jason and Barbara was not necessary
lol what? Barbara is NEVER a "dougheyed sexual interest" AT ALL in anyway, she's just a love interest for Redhood and that's it for that aspect which was very well fleshed out for a possibility in this storyline but Batgirl is still her own character here entirely so! That simple!
Geoff Johns is hands down one of DC’s biggest writers that have had the most impact. And Jason and Barbara could be really great together and I’m glad this story shows that to us. He’s been “Red Hood” for so long, when he could be SO much more and I would love a canon story that gets them together and causes Jason to grow and become more.
Thought?
you are not alone in that. Ive always thought that they would be good together. I preffer Dick to Kory so I have no problems with Barbara not being with him. Jason and Barbara can relate to each other in many ways, yet they are both so different which is interesting.
I dont agree about Jason or Barbara but I can see how they could work. I really wish Jason would get treated better. He definitely deserves to be loved and allowed to grow
This is one of the worst story hè ever made
He did leave an impact on live action DC, though not in a good way
This comic was so epic and almost mythological, truly brilliant.
I love how all the "comic book experts" trashed this ending because they never found out who the 3 jokers were while missing the entire point of the story.
What’s the point of the story?
The real one is the comedian, the story is entertaining but trash
That's why VariantComics is the goat. Like Aris sees the deeper meaning behind the story, not everything has to have a perfect explanation. Joker's whole thing is being left ambiguous which entails more greater comic book storylines.
@@silloweet entertaining but trash? Doesnt that description contradict itself?
See, I get the point, and I totally understand it, but at this point it's simply getting ridiculous. This makes, what, the fourth or fifth storyline in the past decade where they try to put huge emphasis on the Joker's identity and they tease the whole "we'll find out who the Joker really is" in each one? Then they never reveal it, with the statement that "Joker's identity doesn't matter", only to bring it up again in another arc like two years later and starting the whole cycle over again. It's becoming repetitive as hell.
If Joker's identity doesn't matter, then voila, it doesn't matter. Stop writing stories that revolve around it, have this one be the last one, and move on. But consistently bringing his identity up over and over again in multiple different arcs as a major plot point really kinda implies that his identity DOES actually matter.
The Joker may be an awful person, but you gotta respect his determination to always have the last “laugh”
I agree Mate
Fax
best sore loser in comics
@@Differently_Sane the creepiest and the most terrifying sore loser
@@Differently_Sane yeah he always lose the fight but wins the argument. Do not reply
I would say that I understand why The Killing Joke origin bring canon frustrates some fans because the ambiguity made him more intriguing, I also understand why it’s now canon. It’s hard to build upon Jokers story further without having a solid backstory to work from. The reveal in this story (even though it’s awesome) is probably going to be taken badly but it’ll make room for even more epic stories.
I’d prefer the Jack Napier mobster orgin as his true orgin. The killing joke really sucks and is a horrible comic . It ruins the joker by making him a victim. I’d prefer he has no orgin but if he has one make him supernatural immortal make him The Pale Man from the endgame comics. This Criminal at least has mysterious past and he is the oldest anyway. It doesn’t even make sense to say the 80s joker of the killing joke is the original
The Killing Joke story is canon but not for the comedian. He was imagining the criminals origin as his own. Bats confirms the criminal was the 1st he met n only confirms the part about having a family. The comedian still has no back story he just going back n forth like when he said he beat jason with a crowbar...that was the clown. So we are left with a Joker who is still a mystery. Back where we started.
@@Chris-qr1io Don’t talk to me or any DC fan ever again.
This comic was an insult to the character of the Joker . The killing joke is good if you remove all the joker backstory parts because that ruins the character. He should have no backstory
@@Chris-qr1io But they basically did that. He literally mentioned “sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes the other, I prefer it multiple choice.”
It had a great ending. No one can deny it. And the fact that it's canon makes it even better.
The only thing the ending proves is that the killing joke is canon as one joker origin. We still have no orgin for the other two and the other two are older . The Comedian is from the 80s . The Clown is the silver age joker of the 60s. The Criminal is the golden age joker of the 40 50s . He is the oldest
From how I understand comics, a joker from the 40s doesn't make him 70+ years old. A story from the 40s could have been two years ago in comic years. That being said, the Killing Joke Joker could have created the other two, but the story made it seem like the 40s Joker could have been the original, just as much as the KJ.
Even if a 40s story is two years ago that mean everything else in the comics still takes place later after it in the timeline. The comics are still chronological. The older comics happen first and the newer comics happen later . So unless joker is a time traveler he can’t go back to before he was born and create more of him . The very idea of the three jokers shows them as different ages . One is clearly a lot older than the others the Criminal is the oldest
@@jaym8988 the criminal told redhood he was the original
Wait, is this whole thing canon?
I think it is canon but not sure . This comic is really confusing people a lot and the problem is the last issue. The second issue makes it very clear the Criminal is the original he even tells Robin he is the first joker and he was in Gotham before Batman was even Batman. Then in issue 3 suddenly they have the killing joke Joker saying he doesn’t know who made who . It’s pretty obvious the criminal is the oldest and the original joker from the 1940s. Batman even say at one point the Criminal looks exactly like the first joker they met. The killing joke is the modern Joker . He can’t be the original because the 1940s joker is already the original and way older. Another reason is the killing joke shows joker falling in acid after he runs into Batman and gets scared. So Batman already exists before he turned into joker. The Criminal on the other hand has no orgin and and he was just joker from the beginning. He says he fell in chemicals at one point but that happens before Batman even meets him. So one Joker fell in chemicals long before meeting Batman while the killing joke Joker fell in chemicals after he met Batman
Bro, this series just became a instant classic. Sure it didn't answer every single question we had but what good comic does? This series is going up there with The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, and the Court of Owls for me personally. Jesus Christ this was a good story.
I love that it didnt trully answer anything but in a way it did, it's totally a Killing joke move! i loved it
Thank you for telling these comic book stories to all of us that haven't quite gotten into reading comics, but are still interested in the stories told.
“That’s why I regret making him, or did he regret making me”.
Almost sounds like father and son. If the son jokerized his Dad 🤔😅.
Where was that said at all in the video? What?
“The criminal was wrong, I am chaos, I am the devil, I am nothing to you and everything.” Felt this amazing writing in my backbone.
The Joker knowing who Batman is but never revealing it and never ruining Batman for him is incredible. It defines Batman & Joker 🃏-🦇
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Heath: the criminal
Joaquin: the comedian
Nicholson: the clown
Idk about heath being the criminal, I get where your coming from, but I prefer Nicholson being the criminal. Joaquin is DEFINITELY the comedian though!
@@sheleryshtickproductions7070 yeah I was thinking that too, but the clown went out too fast lol.
Trump:the idiot
But Dont you think Criminal should be Joaquin?? He was the only one that said it hurts to laugh... Reminding me of the condition Joaquin's Joker has.
@@mohammadjahanbakhsh7335 yeah i agree, though in my opinion Joaquin's Joker never became the joker or even will become the joker he isn't smart like the other Jokers, he isn't a mastermind in what he does, he isn't even cazy
*Meanwhile in a realistic world:
Judge: "Joker, I here by setence you to death penalty"
Batman: well that was fast
This is just a theory, maybe gotham had already outlawed the death penalty a long time before supervillains were on the street.
That could explain why no one has been killed by the government yet
@@havewissmart9602 "That's why no one has been killed by the government yet" Amanda Waller would tend to disagree xD unless your an official snooping around in which case no they've not killed anyone with say a squad that's sent on suicide missions xD
It doesn't actually make sense at all why he isn't dead yet realistically. If you say they outlawed the death penalty it still doesn't make sense because the Joker and every other villain have done things outside of Gotham and throughout the whole world so it doesn't make sense as to why no government or even cop has killed the joker yet
@@jaqwinters1951 comics
@@mevincool "realistically"
The Killing Joke in hindsight-
The Joker: It's all funny right.
Batman in his head: Jokes on you. I know your wife and son in Alaska.
Ha ha
I literally LOVE these videos, it’s like reading the comics but not having to spend too much time doing so, but you still get a gist of the story
Are you gonna go over the ‘Finish Line’ story from Josh Williamson’s Flash run?
He better should...
It was awesome
In a twist the maintenance man is revealed to be Dick Grayson
Good.
@@sup3414 lol Not good, Jason Todd deserves SOME happiness and maybe Barbara can help him out with that.
11:29 Batman, Joker, and the man who murdered Batman’s parents, all standing together in Crime Alley, in flames, while another Joker is lying dead in the exact same spot where Batman’s parents died
it’s just so weird how Nightwing has the most potential out of every superhero in DC but the writers hate him
Huh that sounds just like Spider-Man tbh
this was a really good one, but im really upset that Barbra could never read the letter from Jason but i am happy his name wasnt revealed
Man I loved this issue but I dislike that jokers wife is alive because she was simply avoiding him bc she was scared of him, that just doesn’t feel right to me. I liked the original origin in killing joke where joker was a good man and husband in the past who was just trying to find work to support them, but his wife’s death turned him and his sanity to the way side. I liked the aspect that joker was truly loved in his past and that it was stripped away from him, and that is what destroyed him. I always felt joker’s wife should always be his one grip to humanity, but since she’s dead then so is his humanity. I also loved how in killing joke she was supportive of joker despite his failing career as a comedian, and that is what it made it so tragic that she died. Joker’s one thing he loved, gone. The one thing that truly loved him, gone. Joker’s humanity, gone. Joker’s past, gone. All that remained once she died was every bit of him that she was not. All that was left was a miserable, intelligent, angry, and viciously bitter comedian. Then dropping joker in the acid was the last straw, the final push. The birth of the joker as we know him. I always liked how his killing joke origin mirrored Batman’s, Batman lost what he loved and plunged into his insanity by becoming a bat costumed hero. Joker lost what he loved and turned into a insane clown criminal.
I dislike that this comic has joker as a more abusive husband that his wife avoided and left. That just doesn’t sit right with me for his origin. However maybe that sorrow of his wife never dying and just leaving will give joker some extreme pain and even more insanity when he finds out. Taking the love out of joker’s origin may just make him even more tragic if a villain and even more of a psycho. And what about his kid?! What’s gonna happen with that?!Who knows, either way this issue definitely leaves me excited for what’s next
@Someone Special I wouldn’t say boring since the fact that joker has a child and wife alive will bring some insane stories probably in the future, but I feel this new origin does get rid of the depth in joker’s character. However like comics in general, joker changes with each universe and comic reset.
I kinda liked it. It debunks his whole humanity is terrible and that we're all one bad day away from being him. He was never a good man gone bad he was just a cruel menace, and no matter how much he tries he's never going to make a decent man turn.
@@J99___ i kinda like it. I mean maybe he wasn't abusive to his wife yet but heading there. Maybe she judge his attitude to quickly, Maybe he already had a pre-existing psychological disorder she or even joker didn't even know about, and that's the reason he was like that, and that's why joker thinks "it only takes one bad day for an average person to turn like him"
Either way his wife leaving him out of fear and not staying with him out of love should have a big impact on Joker's psyche and i'd love to see that.
@J99 same. It didn't also feels right to me. It kinda stripped the "All it takes is one bad day to drive a sane man to lunacy". In my opinion, I like the backstory of him being a normal struggling commoner with the tragedies keep happening leading him to be the joker. Just like what u've said, I also like the wife being supportive to joker. When in this issue turns out she was scared of him the whole time - just not feeling it. If there will be a sequel to this, idk maybe showing the wife's change of heart is because of their financial instability. Like having reason of her leaving the pre-joker because she realize that love won't guarantee they could eat a meal 3x a day or they won't even have a feast for birthdays of their son or something like that. For me (we could vary in opinion) that sounds a more fitting reason.
I mean maybe the joker was abusive to his wife but remembered his pre joker life as a supportive loving family. I mean he is insane... and did say if he were to have an origin for it to be multiple choice.
Joker deadass said: "trust no one, not even yourself"
Wise words.
Lmaooo
I was really hoping for that history of Doctor Doom video to be released during villains month of this year. Oh well this year of villains month was still awesome. Great work guys
I believe that was covered in the past
@@josephliloia8633 Well when Variant did the how powerful is Doctor Doom episode last year Arris said they would give him a history of episode in 2020. Which tells me they never did that.
Personally I think this whole story is just another one of Jokers "multiple choices."
Wich means...
The Jokers ships Jason and Barbera.
It'd actually be hilarious if Joker just thought of this stuff whenever he was bored or whatever. lol
If he thought he had a bad day the day he became the joker, just wait until he finds out his wife tricked him, the ultimate joke
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Idk if Joker really cares and he probably figured it was bs
These videos are my new Saturday morning cartoons you do such a good job making it feel like im watching a show
The story was very cerebral, and the ending was CRAZY!
I feel super bad for Jason man he gonna never know how Barbra truly feels about him that’s so sad
Me after finishing the book:
“Well that was fun! Who’s for Chinese!?”
“I healed your greatest wound so now i can be your greatest pain” Jesus joker is insane
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My favorite part was Jason straight saying that when he sees the joker, it’s on sight.
This is why Jason is my favorite. He’s ready to do what’s needed and doesn’t care if it’s right with Batman
Jason is an asshole. Killing the Joker would be the worst thing to happen to the Batman franchise.
I’ve waited almost 3 years for these comics, worth the wait. They were special to say the least.
I was really digging the criminal's design, looked like a proper gangster
The Criminal was from his first appearance back in 1940 so it was definitely fitting that he looked like an old school gangster.
same! the entire artstyle is fantastic and amazing!
Alright plot twist: The joker ends up being Jason's dad 😳
This series can quite literally explain the several iterations joker to every exist. This has got to be one of the best Batman comics ever
Holy crap this was amazing. Now I can't wait for the future 3 jokers animated movie in like a decade
What happened the to Batman the animated series comic
Arris, i just love your storytelling. It's not easy for me to get comics, so i'm glad you can tell me these awesome stories. Greetings from Holland.
It's not official that Killing Joke was actually his origin. It only shows that he may have suffered from some Split-Personality disorder.
We all know The Joker's suffering from a split personality. The question is, did he always ? Or did it start because of the acid vat he fell into ? When he was a regular human, did he *genuinely* believe he was good to his wife ?
Or did he know he abused her and just forgot about it because of his... "condition" ???
But it is official isn’t it? Because the panel we see of the officers helping his wife flee from him isn’t something he would know about, it’s something Batman knows about. So we were seeing a flashback from Batman to the point in time where his wife dipped on him ergo killing joke is canon
@@aladdin8236 What I'm saying is that what we saw in Killing Joke is a rather... "happier" lie than the painful reality that we see in Three Jokers.
In reality, Joker did abuse his wife. But that's not what he THINKS. Whether he understood what he was doing at the time or not is a different question, but the reality is that deep down, he knows something was wrong there, hence why when he was daydreaming in issue #2, they were afraid of him.
@@daniellevy8935 I agree with this. The Killing Joke--for how twisted Joker is in that story--made his past self very tragic and someone who did care about his wife, but was suffering from constant pressure. The Three Jokers makes him look more like an abusive husband, which contradicts the previous belief. It's possible that Joker THOUGHT he was good to his wife because his mind is so messed up, but he simply wasn't, which would work well for the whole "identity crisis" he was known for having in the comics. Not sure how that explains there being two other Jokers, but eh...
“This was so incredibly insane guys” ... well said my man ... well said !
I agree that it would be cool to see a relationship between Red Hood and Batgirl. Sadly, we won't get to see it any time soon.
Bruh what about Dick?
@@RealMadridFifa13 Maybe Harley? Idk, I just think it would be cool to see RH and BG.
Jason's been through a lot. I'm hoping that, in the future, he gets his happy ending, hopefully with Artemis.
Him and Artemis sorta broke up
@@magicphenom4867 Yeah, I know. Hopefully they get back together at some point. It may or may not actually end up happening.
@@praveenvijeyakumar741 i agree Artemis is perfect for Jason
This issue is amazing just the fact that Bruce had knew after all these years, also I’m kinda sad cause now I feel like we’ll never see a Jason/Barbara relationship but idk they’ll come up with something
Nah , i think they will talk...
Weird seeing Batman’s new emblem on his suit. I kinda prefer the old rebirth one with gold outlines.
wow. MIND BLOWN!
which means in issue 2. when he was having dinner with his family. he still misses them to this very day....
shit that's so sad :(...
True sometimes I pity the clown price of crime
If they were ever gonna confirm joker’s origin I love that this is how they did it. It just adds so much to joker. We still have the mystery of his name. But we also have 2 fantastic new pieces of info. The fact that joker became joker for no reason just adds to the fact he is pure chaos. We now know the joker doesn’t have any reason to exist as the joker therefore he truly is just pure chaos and evil with no reason beyond that. We also know that he has a family. This can be used for so many interesting stories. There will have to be stories where they find out that the father became this evil joker and where the joker realises his family is alive. What this will do to joker is so interesting. He will either lose his insane personality because of this or become fuelled with hate and anger for Batman for never revealing this sooner. Plus how will Batman 100% knowing who joker is play into their interactions from now on. God I really love this
Balance in all things, Joker knows who Batman is, and Batman knows who Joker is.
But their original identities don't matter to them, just their ideals and belief system.
They are both antithesis and the same.
So theoretically Batman could’ve put an end to the Joker by telling him his wife and child are alive possibly ending his rampage but he chooses not for the families protection and so he can keep the joker around
In all likelyhood, the Joker would probably kill them to remain as himself.
@@Mike_Dubo what makes you think that. lol!
@@ailyyen9889 what would make you think the embodiment of insanity and evil would give up everything and reform because of his wife and kid... they showed the panel of what living with the joker would be, they'd be living in fear and he'd just be joker
@@sangun123 why you telling me dummie i was being sarcastic lol!!!
In which makes Batman more sadistic than the Joker could ever be!....The Real Killing Joke!!!!
So if he always knew why did he even ask for the Jokers identity when he sat down in the Chair?🤨
I assume it was another test because everyone in Gotham knows what Joe Chill did, he probably freaked out about the presence of 3
He was testing his integrity and Intention
I thought the same thing... maybe he was testing the chair... and then he was surprised because it said there were 3...? Overall I really enjoyed these issues tho. I’m still kind of undecided if I liked the ending😕
Basically he knew one of the jokers, he was surprised to find out that there are 3 jokers. Also there is no reason why not to ask the chair for the identity of Joker since he’s the only one that knows, so he was testing the chair to see it’s credibility, Joe Chill being the killer wasn’t a true test, as Batman brushed it off and said “yeah yeah Joe Chill” then asked the question that only he knows, so that’s the true test to the chair and to his surprise it says that there are three jokers not just the one he already knew, again he kept it secret to save joker family from ever being exposed.
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Yea I agree
Twist: Joker didn't have one son, he had twins. The Gotham series Jokers now comes into play.
Joker is such an Elite character has so much depth to him. I love it
The whole time I'm watching and listening, my eyes are like O.O
Overall, I enjoyed the story. As for the ending, I'm a bit on the fence about it.
The Jaybabs relationship honestly makes sense. Both met through Bruce, both have had traumatic experiences with the Joker, and both have gotten stronger from their pain. Though I prefer Barbara with Dick, Jaybabs is a neat spin on Batgirl x Robin.
Also, where did you get your shirt?
Exactly all the bat kids have been through hell and I want them to be happy especially Jason and Barbara
Dick got Kori. Give Barbara to Jason 😭 She the only one truly understand how Jason feel😭😭
@@DaVaDa96 true
Yeah R.i.P Jason should have gotten stronger tape. It’s kinda sad because I would’ve liked to see this relationship.
Personally, as a Redhood and the Outlaws follower, I think Jason is way better with Artemis.
I loved this storyline, it was so good
Ikr
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the storyline wast that good
@@saviosada3630 it was a 8.5/10
Nah, it wasn’t the best, we’re back in square one
Solid review, Variant!🃏However I do want to point something out to the fans who feel the mystery of the Joker is gone. We never found out the backstory of the other two Jokers who still played important events in Batmans life, we never found out who was the original Joker and we never found out the Jokers name. We only know for a fact that Killing Joke Joker is canon and the definite Joker going forward.
Rest assure, Alan Moore did originally write Killing Joke with the intention to be non canon, so whatever theories you had on that story are still valid when you look at the story by itself. I hope that helps. 😉
This was really good. I think we can conclude at this point Batman "needs" the Joker....even if he doesn't want to admit it. He stop caring about Joe Chill decades ago.
I think the fact that Batman knows who the Joker is, and his origin is the one we saw in Killing Joke, confirms The Comedian is indeed the original one since he was the one having daydreams of his wife and child.
I don't know how I feel about this story- my first thoughts were that it was somewhat underwhelming and didn't feel like something that was worth hyping up for years. Why would the Mobius chair say there were three Jokers when in the end Joker does have a true name and defined origin, one that Batman ALREADY KNEW?
Having three Jokers turned out to be as unnecessary as I feared it would be. The Joker has had different motivations over the years, he's obsessed over different things and his crimes have varied dramatically depending on writers and what era of comics he was in. In Batman Arkham Asylum a Serious House on Serious Earth, this aspect of the Joker is explained by him having his own special brand of insanity where he changes how he is depending on his needs. I much prefer that, rather than just saying there was one Joker who is about certain things, and he made two other Jokers who are about different things. Rather than one unpredictable character who continuously reinvents himself deliberately, it's now just three characters with different ideals-- and then two of them die. They essentially streamlined the Joker and his motivations, which for some might be a good thing, but to me I like Joker being unpredictable.
Confirming Joker's origin also felt unnecessary, idk that I ever needed that to happen.Again, it streamlines Joker and removes some of the mystery of the character.
I didn't love how Barbara Gordon was used in this story. She's just kinda there. I also don't love how they made her a love interest for Jason. We've already seen her as Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and even Bruce Wayne's love interest over the years- can they not think of anything interesting to do with her besides being a romantic foil for one of the Bat-family dudes?
I did like how Jason was characterized and was happy they incorporated how he's really separate from batman and the main Bat-family (even tho we only saw Babs and Bruce). Again tho I didn't love the romance with Barbara, and it felt weird that he just really really wanted to be with her here. I know what they were going for since both he and Babs have Joker related trauma in common, but still, I can't say I loved it.
I did really like the Joe Chill part of the story. Joker going out of his way to actually have Bruce resolve his anger and vengeance towards Chill so that his origin would no longer be the biggest trauma of his life is really interesting, and probably the best idea here. I'm just not sure it required three Jokers to tell that story.
Really great post, didn’t agree with it all but the very end I simi agree with. Resolving Batman’s hate towards Chill didn’t need this kind of story.
Side note. I do think Jason and Barbara would be good because they were tied so close together from both suffering from the Joker and going two completely different paths and I think it would be awesome to see those paths meet one day with an amazing writer
The killing joke joker is one joker. We still have no orgin for the other two and the other are older. Silver age and Golden age comes before modern age . The killing joke is modern age so it’s impossible for him to be the original. The Criminal even says he is the first and Batman even says the Criminal is the first joker they met . The killing joke joker is also a complete different joker . How is this hard for people to understand.
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I get that the Criminal is said to be basically the golden age Joker which implies he’s the first and original... except Batman says he knows who Joker is and it’s the one with the killing Joke origin- aka the Comedian. He said he knew that within the *first week* of meeting the Joker. The Comedian is the one who’s wife faked her death and is in hiding with their son. That has to be the original Joker since he’s the one related to the wife, and Batman knew about them since pretty much the beginning.
They also never definitively give a timeline for when the other Jokers were created, so just because the Comedian Joker is the one of Killing Joke and Endgame and other later stories, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible he’s the original.
If the Criminal Joker is supposed to be the original that created the other two how do you reconcile that with the confirmed Killing Joke origin Batman knows Joker has had since the beginning? Because that origin wouldn’t belong to the criminal, it applies to the comedian.
And anyways this is all besides the point because I’d rather have had just one Joker with an unconfirmed origin, who himself changed and evolved over the years, than three jokers who exist to explain Joker’s change in character in the dumbest and most unnecessary way possible.
I'd like to give a different thought on the other two jokers origins. Let just say that for the sake of clarity that the killing joke joker is the original, what if he created these other jokers and through manipulation and brainwashing gave each of them distinctly different personalities based off his own at varying times in his life? The criminal being him at the beginning: focused, objective and cunning but still unhinged. The clown being him at the middle of his career after being foiled by Batman many times and made a mockery he begins to loose his focus and becomes less the challenge compared to the other villains making their appearance at this time, he can't get batmans attention from being just an ordenary bad guy so he further embraces the clown motif. Then as his gag crimes become less and less a challenge for the dark knight he evolves into the joker we know today, cunning but unfocused, a twisted humor but also a need to maintain the spotlight. The killing joke joker is the two others blended together. I think he created these two as a way to throw Batman off his game but what he failed to account for was that the same personalities he set in these two would become so dominant that they each believed themselves to be the original. When they started to be to hard to control and threatened to usurp him with their plot,he through his own cunning hatches the plan to use their plot for his own purposes. I think this joker just found a way to kill two birds with one stone. I think it makes sense for him not to waste the opertunity to mess with batsy.😂
If that’s tru then the joker is ruined as a character. He should not have an orgin or family. I get what you’re saying have the killing joke be retconned into the early 1950s and he brainwashed other to think they are him . That’s very overly complicated. I’d prefer the joker be a mystery no orgin at all. The Criminal is old old joker who has no orgin. The Clown another joker with no orgin. The killing joke joker is already ruined by having an origin
Wait a damn minute- If back in issue 2, the comedian imagined having dinner with his wife and child who look exactly like the do look like in issue 3... Would this mean that the Joker could possibly already know that his wife and child are alive, but doesn't care cause Batman is his main obsession??
I like my joker one person, but tons of personalities all combining to form a changing clown that is everywhere and everyone!
This series gave me chills throughout. What an amazing story!
Is it just me or is arris’s voice like super satisfying in this video🤣🤣🤣
Y'all picked up the fact that his son looks exactly the same as the one he had in his hallucination in the earlier issue? It leaves me to believe that Joker already knows that his wife and kid are alive
Say what you will about this story line, but the idea that the joker would help Batman work through his greatest trauma only because the joker wanted to be the one who caused the Batman the greatest pain is the next level of insanity that I love from this
Love the Killing Joke shirt!
Slow clapping..... fucking amazing juat fucking amazing. This writer and artist need some sort of award. This is just too good.
What I wanna see next is what will happen when “Killing Joke” Joker realizes that his wife faked her death because she no longer loved him and was scared of forever being with him. Even Batman himself is saying that Hell will break loose if Joker finds them.
When do you think we will see Red Hood and Batgirl make their live action debut in the DCEU? Which actors do you think should play them?
Jensen ackens as redhood
@@johnlawful2272 nah
@@johnlawful2272 He's too old. He is old enough to play batman.
Tara Strong as Batgirl.
@@RealMadridFifa13 She is more into voice acting then live action.
The meaning of the joker card: In Euchre it is often used to represent the highest trump. In poker, it is wild. However, in the children's game named Old Maid, a solitary Joker represents the Old Maid, a card that is to be avoided.
The joker is no longer just a symbol of chaos. But a story of perception. The joker is a man built of ones own demanding for destiny. His life destroyed. His feelings cast away in a shell not of his own. He was avoided and cast away.
The joke is not the fact that the joker lost everything anymore. Its that the joker was pushed away from everything he ever wanted. Pulled into the darkness. Much like Bruce was pulled into the darkness after Joe Chill killed his parents.
His parents killer redeemed, deceased. Batman is aware of the fact people can change. The perception has shifted. There is no cowl. There is no lie. Only the blurred line of bitter sweet truth and that my friends is the real killing joke.
It’s so sad that Barbra will never get the letter hopefully in some way shape or form in a different comic she gets it maybe in a different series that’s related
Arris, you would be an awesome teacher. I honestly love the way you you present your evidence, explain it, and then deliver the reasoning behind it all. My students can learn a lot by your example.
This was fucking amazing. The duality of Batman and The Jokers relationship just got way more complex. They essentially got an ace in the hole for each other.