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My Ruger Mk IV sucked! Sights only useful in VERY bright light. Replaced with Williams fire sights! About $78 shipped. Trigger sucked to hell! Creep like crazy and inconsistent! Replaced with Volquartsen trigger kit. About $113 shipped! And $80 gunsmith fees for installation of above! So figure $271 to make the gun shoot like it SHOULD have from the factory! Ruger, you suck! Knowing what I do now, I would have just bought a S&W model 41 and had a great gun! Ruger, you suck!
Fixin? Guy walks into a grocery store and tells the grocery clerk, "I'm fixin to buy me a half head of lettuce". Clerk goes to back of store to tell the manager, "There's some moron wanting to buy half a head of lettuce" when he realizes the customer had followed him and is standing right there, so he says, "And this fine gentleman would like to buy the other half".
John Denham that’s true hard to see. When time creeps up on you. I put my daughters white finger nail polish on the sights and safety. If someone breaks in you need everything to go right. These little guns are no joke. They will put some one down if you get a few good rounds in them.
Love your videos, I love the face that they are short and to the point. Sometimes you do not have 30 minutes for a video and have to fast forward and maybe miss something. Thanks for keeping them short.
I appreciate your opinion I already knew what I like the best and it’s the Ruger. I’ve been a massive fan of the Ruger for maybe 30 years probably. I’m 42 and I have a few different models and I love all of them. No complaints whatsoever. But again that’s just my opinion. Thanks great video.
I own a SW Victory. I agree with your comment about the grip being slick. Installed an adhesive type Traction Grip or Talon Grip and it's great, made an incredible difference. I also added a red dot Romeo5 sight, excellent combination.
The Ruger seems a cut above in engineering design. The ease of its disassembly is truly state-of-the-art, a beautiful thing to see. Why it took them a half century and how the new version was achieved would make an interesting story.
The most obvious difference between the Mark series of .22 pistols and other semi-auto handguns is that the barrel is permanently affixed to the receiver. So, instead of a slide that moves and a barrel that tilts, only the blow-back operated bolt moves, much like a semi-auto rifle or carbine.
@@davidpelton1885 I slightly prefer the Victory after having the opportunity to put many rounds through both. But your comment can't be further from the truth, unless you can somehow provide a reasonable explanation (highly unlikely).
Thanks Plinkster, Found your channel by mistake as I was researching for a .22 semi auto to take camping and on road trips to the mountains and for a B.O.B. Like me your a Southern Boy, I'm from Virginia and can understand everything your saying. Your info and videos have helped me make my decision. It had come down to these 2 guns and I'm picking up my Ruger Mark IV 22/45 tomorrow. I'm getting it for $ 345 out the door. The easy take down is what eventually won the day. God bless and good plinking Sir.
great video and thanks for the opinion. I have the Victory (one of the first to get one right after SHOT this year). I have nothing but praise for it. Will be getting the metal rail for it from VQ. Glad you highlighted the 98% deal. Most people getting into a 22lr for the first time even with quality ammo don't understand the nature of the beast. I worked in the gun industry for 10 years and always hard to convince people some failures do happen. Just subbed after lurking for a while. Thanks!
I bought a MKIV Hunter; with the wrap around target grips. Upgraded it with all stainless parts available from Volquartsen and Tandemkross. I acquired a second recoil rod and spring assy. and experimented by removing bits of the spring so it will now reliably cycle CCI Quiet 710fps loads, so I just switch them out depending on the loads. Most of this decision making process from the gun I selected up to this point have been based on the content and reviews I've watched from your channel.
I really enjoy my SW22 Victory. I did have ejection issues when new and had to send it back to S&W to fix, but it's been 100% reliable since. And mine came with black sights front/back which was fine, but I ended up getting a red/green dot for the top rail which amped up my enjoyment factor big time. Lastly, the grip is definitely not my favorite part of the pistol. I do have a TANDEMKROSS Hive grip on order that I hope will make it better. All in all, a great plinker! Next on my 22lr list is a Ruger SR22.
I have both the Victory and Mark IV pistols that have be tricked out with TK and Volquartsen parts. The Ruger has the TK and the Victory the Volquartsen. I really enjoyed the builds and really pleased with the outcome. Of the two the Victory is the better shooter. I think the difference in the two is based on the parts. Both weapons were fine shooters before mods. I had better results with the basic Smith due to the better sight picture with the fiber sights. One of the mods to the Mark IV was Fire Sights for the front and rear. I would be hard pressed to choose one over the other. I'm in my seventies so I don't compete with anyone else, I just cut holes in paper as close to each other as I can. My wife suggests that I get a hole punch but I haven't been convinced. When I compare these to the Volquartsen Scorpion or the Model 41 they are all more accurate than I am. Thanks for your demos of the amazing shots that could only dream of.
You answered my question at the end of the video. The availability of aftermarket parts for the victory. Oh my goodness ! That looked sweet. I already own a stainless Ruger mark 2, gov.target model with a hand made 1 pound trigger. Its the most accurate gun I own.
Very informative and unbiased quick comparison of 2 capable inexpensive target 22lrs. I've already have a Ruger MkII Government Target with Hogue finger groove rubber grips. I've got a Browning Buckmark Bullseye that was ORIGINALLY a Shil
I bought a new MKll competition target 22/45 in 2000 , a simple field strip normally takes me less than 2 minutes and back together. Learn the gun and its really not as bad as some say.
I love my S&W Victory. A lot of fun and surprisingly accurate at 25m. As you say, the key to avoid malfunctions is just to keep it clean. My experience in the shooting range is that it starts to fail after around 200 rounds. Looking forward to trying the Mark IV. Regards from Spain.
(Sorry this comment goes to my fellow spaniard). Estoy pensando en comprar la S&W Victory como primera pistola, acabo de sacar la F. La recomiendas para competir y subir de categoría? No soy muy fan de las pistolas olímpicas y me gusta más la estética de ésta. Me preocupa un poco el agarre de las cachas, y no sé si las miras de fibra óptica te permiten competir. Te agradezco si me puedieses despejar un poco las dudas.
Came across a "Used" S&W Victory. It was brand new, never fired, however it had been sold at some point. Got it on $50 off used guns sale for a whopping price of 250 out the door. It was between this and a well used Browning Buckmark for 200, the particular Victory I got has a threaded barrel so I was sold. Very happy with the purchase, its on par with my 617 for accuracy.
Great video. VERY helpful! I have no predisposition to one or the other. And given that they seem pretty comparable, I think I gotta give it to S&W due to the price. It is, however, nice to see Ruger finally paying attention and listening to complaints about the take down on earlier guns. Not quite sure why it took them to Gen 4 but hey, at least they finally fixed it.
I have the Ruger 22/45 Mark IV and it’s fantastic. I’ve had Buck marks, and the Ruger Mark lll, and I can’t say there’s much of a big difference in those either, but the Buck mark needed a tool to take it apart and for that I rate it lower than the Mark lV but higher than the Mark lll, because the Mark lll is a pain to take apart. I’ve never owned a Victory but if it takes a tool to take it apart I would say that alone is going to score it lower than the Mark lV because as you say the thing with a semi auto rim fire is keeping it clean. The easier it is to clean it, the more I’m gonna like it. That’s my opinion and it’s free. 😉
Thanks Plinkster. It's a tough decision. Especially if you include the Buckmark. Big shout out from Leamington Ontario Canada brother. God bless and be safe.
Interesting comparison. I currently have the Ruger Hunter SS model, and have owned many others. But my fall back model is the S&W model 41, hands down. I carried one on the trap line for decades, and it never let me down. The only caveat to, the m41, is that was designed as a target pistol. That means that it was designed to shoot 40 grain bullets, and will do that superbly. If you shoot lighter bullets, you can expect to experience various feeding/extraction problems. Not a lot, but it will happen.
just took my new victory out for the first time this past weekend. I made the mistake of purchasing 200 rounds of the same type of ammo. they were 40 grain CCI's. every single round failed to cycle the next. I had to manually rack the slide to cycle the next round. after 120 rounds I bought a different type of ammo from the range. I can't remember the brand, but they were 36 grains. this new ammo worked flawlessly. had a lot of fun after that. lesson learned....next time I will buy several different types of ammo to see which ones run better
Ross Cox yeah, that Victory is garbage. An Allen screw to keep the upper and lower together is a horrible idea. That screw does back out after a while.
@@rudyc79 I have had a Victory for five years and I take it apart every two weeks and clean it and I can attest that it was picky at first it will run anything now and I have never ever had my screw loosen while shooting plus It’s accurate as hell
i shot a victory and seemed to occasionally dropped a hot spent brass on my wrist and hand. another shooter had the same experience. we were using different ammo. i bought the mk4
I'm still going to get the mark 4 hunter model at some point, but I gotta say I'm so happy with my victory and all the fun ways I can modify it. awesome video on some awesome .22 pistols, keep it up!
They better keep that killing machine under 10rd capacity, or it'll just be too dangerous. The 11th round always creates a mushroom cloud explosion of fury.
I have a Ruger Mk 3 22/45 and a S&W Victory. I added a aftermarket take down screw which simplified basic tear down for cleaning, so its not as bad as stock. Both guns are very accurate, both are very reliable, since I got the Victory I have shot the Ruger very little. I'm a former Bullseye competitive shooter, I still have my original High Standard target model with the 1911 grip angle as that points better for ME, every person is different on the point ability, so the grip angle is highly personal, but there is a reason why the grip angle of the 1911 is so popular and it is repeated on the Victory, and the 22/45 Ruger I have. However the angle might be better on the 1911, Ruger should have spent more time making the 22/45 grip closer in dimension to the 1911, the Ruger grip, the model with the molded in grip panels is way off, too small compared to the 1911. The Victory grip isn't as big as a 1911 but it fits my hand much better and is more comfortable to shoot, and the soft grip material allows an excellent grip. I have also installed the Tandemkross trigger on the Victory and it is really nice. Everyone has their own opinion, but IMHO the Victory is far superior to the Ruger.
Another good comparison video I've shot a Ruger mk series pistol since the mid 70s I have a mk2 target stainless model that my wife bought for me as a Christmas gift in 1990 I've taken several grey squirrels with it over the years love Ruger and my mk2 target it's like part of the family the Victory has caught my attention my have to purchase one looks like a great 22lr pistol
There really isn't a bad choice between the two. I'd say the browning buck mark is a excellent choice as well. For my needs I went with a mkIV 22/45 lite as I think its just about the perfect survival gun.
Hi i have owned 1 of these for about 2 yrs, very happy no troubles at all i use cci 22s all good at my club , its very good value thats for sure thank you terry australia.😷
I just purchased the Victory last night for my wife and man does it shoot nice !!! Only bad thing is I got 1 bad magazine that kept double feeding and was hard to load , and the other works flawlessly , called S&W today and they are sending me a new Magazine free of charge !!! Going to buy a few add ons to make it a bit better for her !!
I think S&W did a great job designing the Victory Model. Ruger on the other hand improved the MK IIl. The ability to takedown the Ruger MK IV without tools is a winner for me. S&W may decide later down the road to improve their takedown feature.
He was knee high to a grass hopper at about up to the first 48 hours after conception. So maybe his mother was shooting Rugers a day or two after conception and he is taking credit, since he and his mother were sharing the same blood flow? Just a possibility!
I grew up with the first Ruger Mark. I couldn't hit much with it because when I was a kid pistol shooting style was one handed and it was heavy hanging way out there on the end of my skinny arm. I sold it to a friend in the 60's for $25.00 and bought a Dremel. What an idiot! Anyhow you and Hickok sold me on the Hunter last fall and I've been going through my second childhood with much better results. Thanks for all your help, you're a real likable guy who hits what he aims at.
I have a Mark 2 and love it fits good in my hand doesn’t have the big barrel but looks bad ass. Just my thoughts. A lot of fun to shoot. Bought mine in 1990.
Comes down to price for me. That’s the whole reason why I’m getting into .22lr so much lately. Budget! I got little ones to raise I can’t afford to drop $150 on a day at the range anymore. Picking up a Victory tomorrow for my birthday. Thanks for the input!
I can load .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .380 ACP and 9mm for less than $5 per box. .40 S&W, 10mm and .357 SIG for less than $6 per box. .45 ACP, .44 Special, .44 Magnum for less than $7 per box. Rifle calibers other than the most common and cheap full cases of Military surplus 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm are where you really save the money. You have to buy your components in massive quantity bulk to save the most money. The guys that buy a pound of powder, 100 bullets at a time and a 1000ct sleeve of primers won't save much. UPS lets you put 70 pounds into Hazmat package. Utilize it to the full potential to reduce costs.
I'm afraid to say but I got a mark3 about 8 years ago I came across a company called Majestic arms and they made a speed strip kit for the mark 2 and 3 and they also had a magazine safty disconnect and I don't know different people feel different things about them but I put the speed strip kit in it was pretty easy and by then I had gotten really good stripping the ruger and getting it back together but with the speed strip after you get out the works from the gun a small pin removes that black bump behind the sight and replace it with the one from the kit looks the same except it's got and Allen head on it and it's a unpolished pin when it's time to break it down put the Allen wrench in the spot for it and turn until it comes out once it's out pull the bolt out and it's ready to clean as far as the mag safety remove all the hardware on the right of the trigger facing forward pull up the trigger replace a thick walsher and replace it with the new one place it back together put the mag in and cook it and see if it fires then pull it out again and charge the bolt and pull it should work fine and it takes about 5 pounds off the trigger and it's and all around better gun.
@@russellmorash3816 After reading your post I am left to wonder what in the world is the meaning of that funny little dot immediately after the last letter
I just ordered a Mk IV Tactical. I have a older Mk(2?) standard model. By far the most accurate .22 I've shot. Wanted this new one for the heavy barrel, easy cleaning, and most importantly, a threaded barrel. Should go great with my Dead Air Mask. I'm hoping it runs well with subsonics.
Hello Plinkster! Always love your vids and reviews. For the past 3 years I have been shooting in a local recreational Bullseye league. I do pretty well. In fact, have won both of the last two years and for 24 straight sessions have the high score. My best is a 490/500. We shoot at 25, 25, 50 and 75 ft during each session. Strong hand, weak hand and two hands. I also enjoy long distance shooting with handguns out to and beyond 200 yards. My primary guns for this type of shooting are a MK3 22/45 that is tricked up with most VQ parts, a GP100 match, and a Walther Q5. All three guns have a Venom red dot (3moa) I feel a bit as if I have outgrown the MK3. Been considering the following: - Volquartsen Scorpion - Keeping my MK3 but putting a VQ Upper and Bolt on it. - Smith & Wesson Model 41 - Walther Esse Sport So why? I want the most accurate setup possible for a reasonable investment (let’s say under $1800). I do want to use the gun for my current league. So have any opinions to share? Thoughts? I love the idea of going Scorpion. The Esse is a sexy gun and the price is a lot less. Also, it’s unique and I like unique. The 42 well that’s a old classic favorite. Thanks!
America is really a great land of free ppl. You guys live and maximum of LIFE. I am crazy about beautiful weapons for sport but cant enjoy freely. Thanks and love from Pakistan😍
I just picked up a SW22 Victory a couple weeks ago. haven't shot it yet, but it had great reviews, and I traded something in to get it so it didn't cost me much out of pocket.
I just got the 22/45 MK IV love it going to do some upgrades to it. also got a couple of weeks ago a Browning Buck Mark really like that gun to. I tried the Victory just didn't like the feel of it in my hand the grips are not that great, so that's main reason I went with the 2 guns that I got. Great Video keep up the good work From Southeastern KY
I just bought the mark IV lite, it’s my baby, no regrets whatsoever! Came with a rail on top, for 25$ I threw a fiber optic sight and for 50$ matching grips .
Siesta Time now I have to ask my wife if she is ok with me in a threesome! Not happening.....but the first time I held the victory I asked the clerk if he had somewhere that I could be alone with the S&W.........you know run on it a little.......
I have a Ruger 22\45. the ONLY thing I don't like about the gun is the take down. If the mark 4 has conquered that issue, then I'm in with both feet. The rest is a matter of opinion
@@dman3526 Damn! Wish I could say the same for my Mk IV! Sucked big time! So did my brothers which was bought the same day in another state. We both put $250 - $275 into the guns to make them TRUE target pistols!
Thanks for this comparison. One of these will be my next pistol. I lean towards S&W when it comes to revolvers, so I may still be a little prejudice in my choice. Thanks again!
Plinkster - That's a good review and I like both Rugers and S&Ws - But I'll wait for Jerry Miculek's, Kirsten Joy Weiss's, and Hickok 45's reviews to come in and then tally ALL the results :)
I wish I could buy a Ruger Mark IV here in California. My Target Model Mark III is a pain to clean, but I love its accuracy. With regard to reliability I was surprised with my centennial Browning 1911-22 pistol. It has been 99.8% reliable with CCI Mini Mag ammo shooting on between 100-300 rounds per session.
Watched "how to dissassemble and reassemble ruger Mk3 the easy way"on you tube. So freakin easy and simple its a life changer....dont need any modifications or parts or any other crap....now I will break down my Mk3 at the drop of a hat and smile the whole time.
I like Rugers, but I have the sneaking suspicion that without the Victory, there never would've been a Ruger Mark IV. They've known for years that the difficult takedown was the one thing most owners of the Mark III complained about, yet for years, Ruger did nothing. It was only the fact that the Victory took a huge chunk of their market share that motivated them to bring out the Mark IV. There is still a matter of the large price difference between a stainless steel Mark IV and the stainless steel Victory. My main problem with the Victory is the grip. It's uglier than the grip on the Mark III and Mark IV, and it's too slippery. Fortunately, the Victory is cheap enough that one can get an after market grip which solves that issue. Having to use an Allen wrench to take down the Victory doesn't matter to me because Allen wrenches are easy to come by.
Had to send my MkIII to Ruger for repair & reassembly after dismantling. They got it back pretty quick, had to replace some parts, but I decided to sell it if that difficult to clean. MarkIV solves that problem but the MkIII experience makes me reluctant to stick w/Ruger. Looks like this SW22 be hard to pass up.
@@paulatudor691 It may be for you, but Ruger wouldn't have spent a boatload of money retooling if takedown hadn't been a problem for the majority of gun owners.
That’s probably true but after the first time it gets easier. I clean my pistol more often now since I only have the one . But when I was a teenager I had a Barretta that’s never been field stripped just brushed the barrel and q tip the inside with oil. It was a good gun .22 I can’t remember the model number but it was just smaller than the 92 model
glad to see an honest review on 2 good 22 pistols, like you I wasn't a big fan of the S&W Victory grip it felt a bit wonky on the hand where as the Ruger was more familiar
I bought two threaded barrel Victory pistols for $300 a piece. Have Holosun HS 407 red dots on them. Added flashlight mounts and Olight mini 2 lights and Tandemkross grips, and I only shoot them suppressed with CCI standard velocity ammo. I LOVE them. All my guests love shooting them. Have been super reliable.
Guys , what u need to do is tell the wife that you bought it just to protect her because you saw some strange foot prints by the bed room window and maybe drop a few cigarette buts by the window also . She will never guess the foot prints are yours and the cigarette buts needs to be different from yours if you smoke . Tiny cut in the screen would be a nice touch . She will probably send you back to the gun shop for your favorite shot gun too .
Great video, Plinkster! I have enjoyed your skills and insightful humor for some time. I almost purchased the Victory, but grew up with Rugers. Now that field stripping is less of an issue.....decisions, decisions. I am a Walther fan, and obtained the PPQ M2 5" barrel in 22LR for cross training. It eats everything, never one failure (honest) after 1000+ rounds of either bulk box or precision ammo, and is quite accurate. It truly fulfills my "plinking" needs in the true sense of the word. While although it is not designed for tack driving finesse shots, I'd love to see your thoughtful review of this frequently-ignored gem. It may be one of the great secrets of the 22LR World! I always look forward to your next rim fire adventure!
Ya I've had a ppq 22lr four inch barrell the trigger is as nice as the larger centerfire gun witch has been said to be one of the nicest triggers ever made I've tried multiple types of ammo and the only problem I've ever had was a few bad rounds in fact I likened it so much I recently bought the ppq 45acp tactical getting back to the 22lr it makes a great suppressor host it's great for practicing same size as the 45 just a little difference in weight my first gun was a ppk and I still pull it out once and a while my favorite of all not just walthers is the p99 I don't understand why it never caught on in the u.s. but having a striker fire with double and single action plus a decocker and it was dead on right out of the box
I say Browning Buckmark is the answer. "Ruger's little dirty secret". "The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives". William B. Ruger.
Owning a Mark III Target, its a great shooter but disassembly is a pain. I would get a Mark IV w/o hesitation but for one minor stumbling block I have: I'm in Kalifornia (G-d help us Kalifornians). :(
I often say I was born in L.A., raised in L.A., work in L.A. but I will not die in L.A. I will move sooner than later to a "free" state to enjoy a more fulfilling life I never can living in California.
It really depends on the gun. I have a MKI target that I can take down or put back together in seconds. I have a MKIII Target that is a much tighter fit and it is an adventure to break down.
Hey .22 Plinkster - Thought that I would pass along my favorite .22LR Rifle after 65 years of shooting. It is a Browning semi-auto rifle, the one that has been around for many years. It is the one that ejects from the bottom of the receiver. Ergonomics, balance, sights are great. They even have different grades. Just don’t shoot one wearing a coat with large, open cuffs!
Your videos are great. I traded my mark III for a mark on lite. Both work good on armadillos which plague us in NE Alabama. A friend of mine has the Victory. I like it too. My lite is, well, lighter though.
Very impressive review, but today being 6/10/17, the Mark 4 is being priced at $579, whereas the S&W Victory is around the $350 to $359 mark. A $200 savings for the average guy just to take out a couple screws makes the Victory a winner IMO.
82 Luft I just purchased a Ruger MarkIV target/blue for $439 regular price, the SW Victory was $400 regular price with none of the standard target goodies found on the Ruger
82 Luft Honestly, I would put in some OT shifts for the Ruger. Even for the Average Joe, $200 isn't a deal breaker in my book. Save a little longer and get the Ruger Mark IV. JMHO
I went all in with the S&W Victory threaded barrel. The take down screw comes loose after about 2 magazines. I bought the Volquartsen carbon fiber barrel. The barrel set screw was in really tight. I finally got it out so I could install my new carbon fiber barrel. Now the barrel screw keeps backing out. I was getting vertical stringing and thought "what the heck?" It was the loose barrel screw. I put some purple Locktite on but haven't had a chance to take my Victory project pistol back to the range
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Thank you for not having a loud bad electric guitar intro.
Should be bag pipes or snare drum.
Amen!!!
This
No kidding! I hear that mess, I immediately down vote that video! Don't even watch em!
Oh I hate intros with loud music or guy screaming yoyoyo
Ruger MKIV all day, every day!
Nope. Not even close.
@@robspear03 nope rugers been making these since the 50's no question rugers hands down period
My Ruger Mk IV sucked! Sights only useful in VERY bright light. Replaced with Williams fire sights! About $78 shipped. Trigger sucked to hell! Creep like crazy and inconsistent! Replaced with Volquartsen trigger kit. About $113 shipped! And $80 gunsmith fees for installation of above! So figure $271 to make the gun shoot like it SHOULD have from the factory! Ruger, you suck! Knowing what I do now, I would have just bought a S&W model 41 and had a great gun! Ruger, you suck!
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Been looking at both for a bit. Ruger came in to my local shop first, thus bought. Your video is good support for anyone “wondering”. Thanks !
The older you get the more you'll appreciate the hi-viz sights. And when you get really old they'll be about the only thing you can see
Got that right , older i get harder it is .
Amen to that! Along those lines, can anyone advise the best mount for a red dot optic on a MK II? Thanks!
John Denham that’s true hard to see. When time creeps up on you. I put my daughters white finger nail polish on the sights and safety. If someone breaks in you need everything to go right. These little guns are no joke. They will put some one down if you get a few good rounds in them.
Bob Alouie how does that red dot 🔴 mount I have one also and was considered putting one on. Thanks. Brent.
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Love your videos, I love the face that they are short and to the point. Sometimes you do not have 30 minutes for a video and have to fast forward and maybe miss something. Thanks for keeping them short.
I appreciate your opinion I already knew what I like the best and it’s the Ruger. I’ve been a massive fan of the Ruger for maybe 30 years probably. I’m 42 and I have a few different models and I love all of them. No complaints whatsoever. But again that’s just my opinion. Thanks great video.
I own a SW Victory. I agree with your comment about the grip being slick. Installed an adhesive type Traction Grip or Talon Grip and it's great, made an incredible difference. I also added a red dot Romeo5 sight, excellent combination.
The Ruger seems a cut above in engineering design. The ease of its disassembly is truly state-of-the-art, a beautiful thing to see. Why it took them a half century and how the new version was achieved would make an interesting story.
The most obvious difference between the Mark series of .22 pistols and other semi-auto handguns is that the barrel is permanently affixed to the receiver. So, instead of a slide that moves and a barrel that tilts, only the blow-back operated bolt moves, much like a semi-auto rifle or carbine.
@Raoul Decin Agreed. And the Victory made them pretend the "upgrades" were worth $100.
Ruger Mk IV sucks big time!
@@davidpelton1885 care to explain?
@@davidpelton1885 I slightly prefer the Victory after having the opportunity to put many rounds through both. But your comment can't be further from the truth, unless you can somehow provide a reasonable explanation (highly unlikely).
Great comparison
Thanks Plinkster, Found your channel by mistake as I was researching for a .22 semi auto to take camping and on road trips to the mountains and for a B.O.B.
Like me your a Southern Boy, I'm from Virginia and can understand everything your saying.
Your info and videos have helped me make my decision.
It had come down to these 2 guns and I'm picking up my Ruger Mark IV 22/45 tomorrow.
I'm getting it for $ 345 out the door.
The easy take down is what eventually won the day.
God bless and good plinking Sir.
I grew up shooting my dad's mark 2. Definitely looking at a mark 4
This is perfect I've been looking at both of these and couldn't decide! Thanks!!!!
So what DID you decide? ;)
great video and thanks for the opinion. I have the Victory (one of the first to get one right after SHOT this year). I have nothing but praise for it. Will be getting the metal rail for it from VQ. Glad you highlighted the 98% deal. Most people getting into a 22lr for the first time even with quality ammo don't understand the nature of the beast. I worked in the gun industry for 10 years and always hard to convince people some failures do happen. Just subbed after lurking for a while. Thanks!
I bought a MKIV Hunter; with the wrap around target grips. Upgraded it with all stainless parts available from Volquartsen and Tandemkross. I acquired a second recoil rod and spring assy. and experimented by removing bits of the spring so it will now reliably cycle CCI Quiet 710fps loads, so I just switch them out depending on the loads. Most of this decision making process from the gun I selected up to this point have been based on the content and reviews I've watched from your channel.
I really enjoy my SW22 Victory. I did have ejection issues when new and had to send it back to S&W to fix, but it's been 100% reliable since. And mine came with black sights front/back which was fine, but I ended up getting a red/green dot for the top rail which amped up my enjoyment factor big time. Lastly, the grip is definitely not my favorite part of the pistol. I do have a TANDEMKROSS Hive grip on order that I hope will make it better. All in all, a great plinker! Next on my 22lr list is a Ruger SR22.
I have Mark 1 Target and it's a bear to disassemble. Thanks for the upload.
I have both the Victory and Mark IV pistols that have be tricked out with TK and Volquartsen parts. The Ruger has the TK and the Victory the Volquartsen. I really enjoyed the builds and really pleased with the outcome. Of the two the Victory is the better shooter. I think the difference in the two is based on the parts. Both weapons were fine shooters before mods. I had better results with the basic Smith due to the better sight picture with the fiber sights. One of the mods to the Mark IV was Fire Sights for the front and rear. I would be hard pressed to choose one over the other. I'm in my seventies so I don't compete with anyone else, I just cut holes in paper as close to each other as I can. My wife suggests that I get a hole punch but I haven't been convinced. When I compare these to the Volquartsen Scorpion or the Model 41 they are all more accurate than I am. Thanks for your demos of the amazing shots that could only dream of.
You answered my question at the end of the video. The availability of aftermarket parts for the victory.
Oh my goodness ! That looked sweet. I already own a stainless Ruger mark 2, gov.target model with a hand made 1 pound trigger. Its the most accurate gun I own.
Very informative and unbiased quick comparison of 2 capable inexpensive target 22lrs. I've already have a Ruger MkII Government Target with Hogue finger groove rubber grips. I've got a Browning Buckmark Bullseye that was ORIGINALLY a Shil
I bought a new MKll competition target 22/45 in 2000 , a simple field strip normally takes me less than 2 minutes and back together. Learn the gun and its really not as bad as some say.
I love my S&W Victory. A lot of fun and surprisingly accurate at 25m. As you say, the key to avoid malfunctions is just to keep it clean. My experience in the shooting range is that it starts to fail after around 200 rounds. Looking forward to trying the Mark IV. Regards from
Spain.
(Sorry this comment goes to my fellow spaniard). Estoy pensando en comprar la S&W Victory como primera pistola, acabo de sacar la F. La recomiendas para competir y subir de categoría? No soy muy fan de las pistolas olímpicas y me gusta más la estética de ésta. Me preocupa un poco el agarre de las cachas, y no sé si las miras de fibra óptica te permiten competir. Te agradezco si me puedieses despejar un poco las dudas.
Came across a "Used" S&W Victory. It was brand new, never fired, however it had been sold at some point. Got it on $50 off used guns sale for a whopping price of 250 out the door.
It was between this and a well used Browning Buckmark for 200, the particular Victory I got has a threaded barrel so I was sold.
Very happy with the purchase, its on par with my 617 for accuracy.
Great video. VERY helpful! I have no predisposition to one or the other. And given that they seem pretty comparable, I think I gotta give it to S&W due to the price. It is, however, nice to see Ruger finally paying attention and listening to complaints about the take down on earlier guns. Not quite sure why it took them to Gen 4 but hey, at least they finally fixed it.
I'm fixing to say this is a awesome video.
I have the Ruger 22/45 Mark IV and it’s fantastic. I’ve had Buck marks, and the Ruger Mark lll, and I can’t say there’s much of a big difference in those either, but the Buck mark needed a tool to take it apart and for that I rate it lower than the Mark lV but higher than the Mark lll, because the Mark lll is a pain to take apart. I’ve never owned a Victory but if it takes a tool to take it apart I would say that alone is going to score it lower than the Mark lV because as you say the thing with a semi auto rim fire is keeping it clean. The easier it is to clean it, the more I’m gonna like it. That’s my opinion and it’s free. 😉
Excellent review - as always. I like both of these sweet shooters. Kudos to Ruger for finally figuring it out.
Thanks Plinkster. It's a tough decision. Especially if you include the Buckmark. Big shout out from Leamington Ontario Canada brother. God bless and be safe.
Interesting comparison. I currently have the Ruger Hunter SS model, and have owned many others. But my fall back model is the S&W model 41, hands down. I carried one on the trap line for decades, and it never let me down. The only caveat to, the m41, is that was designed as a target pistol. That means that it was designed to shoot 40 grain bullets, and will do that superbly. If you shoot lighter bullets, you can expect to experience various feeding/extraction problems. Not a lot, but it will happen.
just took my new victory out for the first time this past weekend. I made the mistake of purchasing 200 rounds of the same type of ammo. they were 40 grain CCI's. every single round failed to cycle the next. I had to manually rack the slide to cycle the next round. after 120 rounds I bought a different type of ammo from the range. I can't remember the brand, but they were 36 grains. this new ammo worked flawlessly. had a lot of fun after that. lesson learned....next time I will buy several different types of ammo to see which ones run better
Ross Cox oh trust me, I’m looking for one of those. I’ll be trading this one in as soon as I find the Mrk IV
Ross Cox yeah, that Victory is garbage. An Allen screw to keep the upper and lower together is a horrible idea. That screw does back out after a while.
@@rudyc79 I have had a Victory for five years and I take it apart every two weeks and clean it and I can attest that it was picky at first it will run anything now and I have never ever had my screw loosen while shooting plus It’s accurate as hell
That's really weird I've shot 32 grain all the way up to 40 and have not had any problems.
You do a good job, and are always very informative. Appreciate your work...
Great video Plinkster, love your reviews, keep em coming!!
I bought a Victory after watching this and I love it. It is a fun and cost effective quality pistal.
i shot a victory and seemed to occasionally dropped a hot spent brass on my wrist and hand. another shooter had the same experience. we were using different ammo. i bought the mk4
I was curious about these two pistols. you answered all my questions thanks!!!! great video!!!!!
Thanks. Being 6’5” and 72 I trust your advice. We have 3 Ruger mk’s in our house and they all serve us well.
I'm still going to get the mark 4 hunter model at some point, but I gotta say I'm so happy with my victory and all the fun ways I can modify it. awesome video on some awesome .22 pistols, keep it up!
They better keep that killing machine under 10rd capacity, or it'll just be too dangerous. The 11th round always creates a mushroom cloud explosion of fury.
Llewelyn Moss FREAKING EPIC!!!😲😂🤣👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🔫
*assault killing machine
Only in the narrow minds of California legislators!
😆 😆 😆
Explain please...
I have a Ruger Mk 3 22/45 and a S&W Victory. I added a aftermarket take down screw which simplified basic tear down for cleaning, so its not as bad as stock. Both guns are very accurate, both are very reliable, since I got the Victory I have shot the Ruger very little. I'm a former Bullseye competitive shooter, I still have my original High Standard target model with the 1911 grip angle as that points better for ME, every person is different on the point ability, so the grip angle is highly personal, but there is a reason why the grip angle of the 1911 is so popular and it is repeated on the Victory, and the 22/45 Ruger I have. However the angle might be better on the 1911, Ruger should have spent more time making the 22/45 grip closer in dimension to the 1911, the Ruger grip, the model with the molded in grip panels is way off, too small compared to the 1911. The Victory grip isn't as big as a 1911 but it fits my hand much better and is more comfortable to shoot, and the soft grip material allows an excellent grip. I have also installed the Tandemkross trigger on the Victory and it is really nice. Everyone has their own opinion, but IMHO the Victory is far superior to the Ruger.
Another good comparison video I've shot a Ruger mk series pistol since the mid 70s I have a mk2 target stainless model that my wife bought for me as a Christmas gift in 1990 I've taken several grey squirrels with it over the years love Ruger and my mk2 target it's like part of the family the Victory has caught my attention my have to purchase one looks like a great 22lr pistol
I'm leaning more towards the ruger mark4. Thanks for the info! Great comparison.
Thanks a lot... now I’m more confused which one I want than before! Maybe I should just get one of each? Keep the great vids coming!!!
There really isn't a bad choice between the two. I'd say the browning buck mark is a excellent choice as well. For my needs I went with a mkIV 22/45 lite as I think its just about the perfect survival gun.
The Browning would have been a close second choice, but I could not find one when I was shopping.
Hi i have owned 1 of these for about 2 yrs, very happy no troubles at all i use cci 22s all good at my club , its very good value thats for sure thank you terry australia.😷
I just purchased the Victory last night for my wife and man does it shoot nice !!! Only bad thing is I got 1 bad magazine that kept double feeding and was hard to load , and the other works flawlessly , called S&W today and they are sending me a new Magazine free of charge !!!
Going to buy a few add ons to make it a bit better for her !!
I think S&W did a great job designing the Victory Model.
Ruger on the other hand improved the MK IIl.
The ability to takedown the Ruger MK IV without tools is a winner for me.
S&W may decide later down the road to improve their takedown feature.
You've never been knee high to a grass hopper : ) Good video brother!
He was knee high to a grass hopper at about up to the first 48 hours after conception. So maybe his mother was shooting Rugers a day or two after conception and he is taking credit, since he and his mother were sharing the same blood flow? Just a possibility!
I saw a Japanese movie once with a few grasshoppers that he is now about knee high to one of them! ;
That’s a tall grasshopper!
S + w what ruger nuff said
I grew up with the first Ruger Mark. I couldn't hit much with it because when I was a kid pistol shooting style was one handed and it was heavy hanging way out there on the end of my skinny arm. I sold it to a friend in the 60's for $25.00 and bought a Dremel. What an idiot! Anyhow you and Hickok sold me on the Hunter last fall and I've been going through my second childhood with much better results. Thanks for all your help, you're a real likable guy who hits what he aims at.
I have a Mark 2 and love it fits good in my hand doesn’t have the big barrel but looks bad ass. Just my thoughts. A lot of fun to shoot. Bought mine in 1990.
Comes down to price for me. That’s the whole reason why I’m getting into .22lr so much lately. Budget! I got little ones to raise I can’t afford to drop $150 on a day at the range anymore. Picking up a Victory tomorrow for my birthday. Thanks for the input!
Start reloading and you won't be dropping $150 at the range in a day anymore. I've been loading all my own practice ammo for over 25 years.
John Doe true. Still not as cheap though. Even if I were to cut the cost by 75% still can’t really beat 22$ for 500 rounds.
I can load .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .380 ACP and 9mm for less than $5 per box. .40 S&W, 10mm and .357 SIG for less than $6 per box. .45 ACP, .44 Special, .44 Magnum for less than $7 per box. Rifle calibers other than the most common and cheap full cases of Military surplus 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm are where you really save the money.
You have to buy your components in massive quantity bulk to save the most money. The guys that buy a pound of powder, 100 bullets at a time and a 1000ct sleeve of primers won't save much. UPS lets you put 70 pounds into Hazmat package. Utilize it to the full potential to reduce costs.
I'm afraid to say but I got a mark3 about 8 years ago I came across a company called Majestic arms and they made a speed strip kit for the mark 2 and 3 and they also had a magazine safty disconnect and I don't know different people feel different things about them but I put the speed strip kit in it was pretty easy and by then I had gotten really good stripping the ruger and getting it back together but with the speed strip after you get out the works from the gun a small pin removes that black bump behind the sight and replace it with the one from the kit looks the same except it's got and Allen head on it and it's a unpolished pin when it's time to break it down put the Allen wrench in the spot for it and turn until it comes out once it's out pull the bolt out and it's ready to clean as far as the mag safety remove all the hardware on the right of the trigger facing forward pull up the trigger replace a thick walsher and replace it with the new one place it back together put the mag in and cook it and see if it fires then pull it out again and charge the bolt and pull it should work fine and it takes about 5 pounds off the trigger and it's and all around better gun.
@@russellmorash3816 After reading your post I am left to wonder what in the world is the meaning of that funny little dot immediately after the last letter
Great! Now I'm a fixin' to get both of them. ☺
I just ordered a Mk IV Tactical. I have a older Mk(2?) standard model. By far the most accurate .22 I've shot. Wanted this new one for the heavy barrel, easy cleaning, and most importantly, a threaded barrel. Should go great with my Dead Air Mask. I'm hoping it runs well with subsonics.
Hello Plinkster! Always love your vids and reviews.
For the past 3 years I have been shooting in a local recreational Bullseye league. I do pretty well. In fact, have won both of the last two years and for 24 straight sessions have the high score. My best is a 490/500. We shoot at 25, 25, 50 and 75 ft during each session. Strong hand, weak hand and two hands. I also enjoy long distance shooting with handguns out to and beyond 200 yards.
My primary guns for this type of shooting are a MK3 22/45 that is tricked up with most VQ parts, a GP100 match, and a Walther Q5. All three guns have a Venom red dot (3moa)
I feel a bit as if I have outgrown the MK3. Been considering the following:
- Volquartsen Scorpion
- Keeping my MK3 but putting a VQ Upper and Bolt on it.
- Smith & Wesson Model 41
- Walther Esse Sport
So why? I want the most accurate setup possible for a reasonable investment (let’s say under $1800). I do want to use the gun for my current league.
So have any opinions to share? Thoughts? I love the idea of going Scorpion. The Esse is a sexy gun and the price is a lot less. Also, it’s unique and I like unique. The 42 well that’s a old classic favorite.
Thanks!
The S&W model 41 is by far and away the BEST gun out of box you can buy! Leagues ahead of ALL it's competition!
America is really a great land of free ppl. You guys live and maximum of LIFE. I am crazy about beautiful weapons for sport but cant enjoy freely.
Thanks and love from Pakistan😍
Being a lefty, the Ruger wins my vote
Randy She it wins your vote just because it has a safety on the left side
No, it has a safety on the Right side
@@1Ocqueoc haha That needed a drum and symbol strike.
Actually, Randy She, we conservatives like them too.
I just picked up a SW22 Victory a couple weeks ago. haven't shot it yet, but it had great reviews, and I traded something in to get it so it didn't cost me much out of pocket.
I just got the 22/45 MK IV love it going to do some upgrades to it. also got a couple of weeks ago a Browning Buck Mark really like that gun to. I tried the Victory just didn't like the feel of it in my hand the grips are not that great, so that's main reason I went with the 2 guns that I got. Great Video keep up the good work From Southeastern KY
I bought a SW Victory since it came out first. Now I will need to get a Mark IV just to do my own test. ;-)
Mike Renfro which one was better?
My first thought when i saw that it was plinkster:.... so he is going to tell me that both are equally good, or to buy both.
Have tried them both an have to go with the Ruger.Excellent video,take care.
I just bought the mark IV lite, it’s my baby, no regrets whatsoever! Came with a rail on top, for 25$ I threw a fiber optic sight and for 50$ matching grips .
So, in other words, whichever one I get, I've made the right decision?
Yes, both are great. I can't wait until upgrades for the Mark 4 come out! LOOK OUT!!!!
I don't see how you could go wrong. Buy the one that calls your name.
1guyin10
That's the problem - it's like a chorus...
Siesta Time My gun safe and bank account say I've faced that chorus before. The outcome was predictable...
Siesta Time now I have to ask my wife if she is ok with me in a threesome! Not happening.....but the first time I held the victory I asked the clerk if he had somewhere that I could be alone with the S&W.........you know run on it a little.......
I paid $59.00 for my Mark I in 1965.I still have it. Great gun.
Fence Walker God times have changed!
Michael Rogers with inflation that's $459 today
Fence Walker A
Love your videos, you are a pro. I'm a gun collector and enthusiast so I know guns, you are very good about explaining everything, thanks plinkster
Great video. Appreciate your honesty. I my self am a Ruger man. And got to have the new one. Maybe both.
The S&W 41 was/is the best looking .22 semi auto pistol ever designed ! Expensive as hell though, and the reason I could never purchase one...
I have a Ruger 22\45. the ONLY thing I don't like about the gun is the take down. If the mark 4 has conquered that issue, then I'm in with both feet. The rest is a matter of opinion
Couldn't agree more. I've shot several makes of 22 semi's. The Ruger 22/45 beat's em hands down. In my humble opinion, of course.
Jay Rob iiii
I have the mk iv. I always bring it when I shoot anything. I put 1500-2000 rds a month through it. Love it.
@@dman3526 Damn! Wish I could say the same for my Mk IV! Sucked big time! So did my brothers which was bought the same day in another state. We both put $250 - $275 into the guns to make them TRUE target pistols!
Thanks for this comparison. One of these will be my next pistol. I lean towards S&W when it comes to revolvers, so I may still be a little prejudice in my choice. Thanks again!
I have them both as well as the Browning Buck Mark. All three are in the $300-$400 price range. They all are great!
Plinkster - That's a good review and I like both Rugers and S&Ws - But I'll wait for Jerry Miculek's, Kirsten Joy Weiss's, and Hickok 45's reviews to come in and then tally ALL the results :)
RonJon what was the final vote?
Would you pick a buckmark over a victory?
Love your new stranger ammunition.
I buy them every time I can find them.
Hope CCI continue to make them.
I like all of your reviews. Keep up the good work.
I wish I could buy a Ruger Mark IV here in California. My Target Model Mark III is a pain to clean, but I love its accuracy.
With regard to reliability I was surprised with my centennial Browning 1911-22 pistol. It has been 99.8% reliable with CCI Mini Mag ammo shooting on between 100-300 rounds per session.
"loaded question" lol puns
Watched "how to dissassemble and reassemble ruger Mk3 the easy way"on you tube. So freakin easy and simple its a life changer....dont need any modifications or parts or any other crap....now I will break down my Mk3 at the drop of a hat and smile the whole time.
Thank goodness just picked up a Victory and was tempted to wait for a Mark IV.
I'm hoping Ruger makes the Mark IV 22/45 lite...
Ru2yaz they do.. I have one... LOVE IT!!!
I like Rugers, but I have the sneaking suspicion that without the Victory, there never would've been a Ruger Mark IV. They've known for years that the difficult takedown was the one thing most owners of the Mark III complained about, yet for years, Ruger did nothing. It was only the fact that the Victory took a huge chunk of their market share that motivated them to bring out the Mark IV. There is still a matter of the large price difference between a stainless steel Mark IV and the stainless steel Victory. My main problem with the Victory is the grip. It's uglier than the grip on the Mark III and Mark IV, and it's too slippery. Fortunately, the Victory is cheap enough that one can get an after market grip which solves that issue. Having to use an Allen wrench to take down the Victory doesn't matter to me because Allen wrenches are easy to come by.
Had to send my MkIII to Ruger for repair & reassembly after dismantling.
They got it back pretty quick, had to replace some parts, but I decided to
sell it if that difficult to clean. MarkIV solves that problem but the MkIII
experience makes me reluctant to stick w/Ruger. Looks like this SW22
be hard to pass up.
My mklll is easy to break down after you do it a couple of times it’s second nature.
@@paulatudor691 It may be for you, but Ruger wouldn't have spent a boatload of money retooling if takedown hadn't been a problem for the majority of gun owners.
That’s probably true but after the first time it gets easier. I clean my pistol more often now since I only have the one . But when I was a teenager I had a Barretta that’s never been field stripped just brushed the barrel and q tip the inside with oil. It was a good gun .22 I can’t remember the model number but it was just smaller than the 92 model
glad to see an honest review on 2 good 22 pistols, like you I wasn't a big fan of the S&W Victory grip it felt a bit wonky on the hand where as the Ruger was more familiar
I bought two threaded barrel Victory pistols for $300 a piece. Have Holosun HS 407 red dots on them. Added flashlight mounts and Olight mini 2 lights and Tandemkross grips, and I only shoot them suppressed with CCI standard velocity ammo. I LOVE them. All my guests love shooting them. Have been super reliable.
I guess I'll just get both, then beg my wife for forgiveness lol
LOL!
You sound like me--buy now, apologize later!
Magnum Mountaineer Lol!!! She knows better than to believe that!
rhpicayune It's always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Yes, that is the right thing to do. It is easier to get forgiveness than to get permission.
Guys , what u need to do is tell the wife that you bought it just to protect her because you saw some strange foot prints by the bed room window and maybe drop a few cigarette buts by the window also . She will never guess the foot prints are yours and the cigarette buts needs to be different from yours if you smoke . Tiny cut in the screen would be a nice touch .
She will probably send you back to the gun shop for your favorite shot gun too .
a "loaded question" ha ha!
Thanks Plinkster, and Happy New Year
Thank you. You are costing me a fortune! LOL! I now have 5 22’s. Starting to look at a Victory or a Mk4 and start shooting in competition.
Having owned a ruger mk2 22lr and having tried out mk4 I prefer sw22lr victory Hi viz sites nicer trigger
How about mag cost between the two and available holders on the market
Thank you
Well that's something you don't need him to find out for yourself, that's a google search away
About the same , I picked up two extra for for my Mark 4 was $ 46 dollars love this pistol
Great video, Plinkster! I have enjoyed your skills and insightful humor for some time. I almost purchased the Victory, but grew up with Rugers. Now that field stripping is less of an issue.....decisions, decisions. I am a Walther fan, and obtained the PPQ M2 5" barrel in 22LR for cross training. It eats everything, never one failure (honest) after 1000+ rounds of either bulk box or precision ammo, and is quite accurate. It truly fulfills my "plinking" needs in the true sense of the word. While although it is not designed for tack driving finesse shots, I'd love to see your thoughtful review of this frequently-ignored gem. It may be one of the great secrets of the 22LR World! I always look forward to your next rim fire adventure!
Ya I've had a ppq 22lr four inch barrell the trigger is as nice as the larger centerfire gun witch has been said to be one of the nicest triggers ever made I've tried multiple types of ammo and the only problem I've ever had was a few bad rounds in fact I likened it so much I recently bought the ppq 45acp tactical getting back to the 22lr it makes a great suppressor host it's great for practicing same size as the 45 just a little difference in weight my first gun was a ppk and I still pull it out once and a while my favorite of all not just walthers is the p99 I don't understand why it never caught on in the u.s. but having a striker fire with double and single action plus a decocker and it was dead on right out of the box
Thanx for a great video, I did almost all of your upgrades about 4 months ago when I first purchased the Victory. It is a super setup.
Only one way to solve this question. Buy both. Twice the fun🔫🇺🇸
I say Browning Buckmark is the answer. "Ruger's little dirty secret".
"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives".
William B. Ruger.
It's not a secret. Bill Ruger damned near tanked his company sales in the U.S. over that little piece of "wisdom (Sarcasm)".
Owning a Mark III Target, its a great shooter but disassembly is a pain. I would get a Mark IV w/o hesitation but for one minor stumbling block I have: I'm in Kalifornia (G-d help us Kalifornians). :(
Moving out of that state is an option. We like guns in Texas.
I often say I was born in L.A., raised in L.A., work in L.A. but I will not die in L.A. I will move sooner than later to a "free" state to enjoy a more fulfilling life I never can living in California.
Tully3674 Look up Hammer Striker on TH-cam - he reassembled one in like 30 seconds or something!
It really depends on the gun. I have a MKI target that I can take down or put back together in seconds. I have a MKIII Target that is a much tighter fit and it is an adventure to break down.
Caliexit seems like a great win for everyone involved.
Hey .22 Plinkster - Thought that I would pass along my favorite .22LR Rifle after 65 years of shooting. It is a Browning semi-auto rifle, the one that has been around for many years. It is the one that ejects from the bottom of the receiver. Ergonomics, balance, sights are great. They even have different grades. Just don’t shoot one wearing a coat with large, open cuffs!
Your videos are great. I traded my mark III for a mark on lite. Both work good on armadillos which plague us in NE Alabama. A friend of mine has the Victory. I like it too. My lite is, well, lighter though.
Very impressive review, but today being 6/10/17, the Mark 4 is being priced at $579, whereas the S&W Victory is around the $350 to $359 mark. A $200 savings for the average guy just to take out a couple screws makes the Victory a winner IMO.
82 Luft I just purchased a Ruger MarkIV target/blue for $439 regular price, the SW Victory was $400 regular price with none of the standard target goodies found on the Ruger
82 Luft Honestly, I would put in some OT shifts for the Ruger. Even for the Average Joe, $200 isn't a deal breaker in my book. Save a little longer and get the Ruger Mark IV. JMHO
Haha, I didn't realize "fixing" was only a Tennessee thing. :)
it's here in Texas too ÷)×
Ded Pull7
Oh! A pleasant surprise :)
It's all over the Confederacy.
That would be 'fixin'. Or 'fin', as in " I be fin git mah gun". Either way works for me.
Korya Iine in Texas it is fixin. Not fixing.
Good to see you Plinkster. Plink on!
Still waiting for that deer hunting video on Plinkster Outdoors! Great vids buddy. I can't wait for each and every one.
Plinkster, you should look at becoming a politician
Accuracy test for .22 Plinkster:
Mark 4: can split an atom at 88 yards.
Victory: splits atom at 91 yards.
I went all in with the S&W Victory threaded barrel. The take down screw comes loose after about 2 magazines. I bought the Volquartsen carbon fiber barrel. The barrel set screw was in really tight. I finally got it out so I could install my new carbon fiber barrel. Now the barrel screw keeps backing out. I was getting vertical stringing and thought "what the heck?" It was the loose barrel screw. I put some purple Locktite on but haven't had a chance to take my Victory project pistol back to the range
Saw a couple of Rugers at a sporting goods store here in Utah and am glad I stumbled across your videos! Curiosity got the better of me I guess.