During C I invested in a Degritter, it was a very expensive purchase at the time. My view now is it’s indispensable, I’m 3000 plus cleans in, and it’s saved dozens and dozens of records from being returned, and I buy mostly new. I don’t accept clicks and pops as any kind of USP, I want them removed. I’ve been so seduced by its success, I just bought a Mk 2 version and run them in tandem, inc pre-washing, and variable settings depending on the starting point. I don’t let mine go much above 30 as the transducers are more likely to fail. The other big benefit is a timed air dryer, no drying racks required
Good video, i can really use a ultrasonic cleaner for my lp collection. Thanks for the detailed comparison of your experience with the homegrown solution vs. the Vevor.
Thanks for the review. I bought one of these from Amazon a bit over a year ago and have cleaned hundreds of records with it. The only issue I've had is that one of the spacers had something on it (adhesive?) that didn't come off completely when removing the plastic film. The adhesive came of with a wash but it did mess up one label. Other than that, it's worked great and I usually find "stuff" in the bottom of the tank after cleaning a bunch of records so it's doing something. Love the channel & I appreciate all your work.
Thanks! Yea the protective film on some of those was hard to get off and I noticed a tiny bit of adhesive. It’s a good reminder though that I should probably rub each with some isopropyl alcohol before using them to avoid that same issue
Great review! Is there any risk of the rack scratching the records? It seems to be made of hard plastic. Also, could the spindle threads potentially damage the label when loading records, like the teeth catching on it? I'd love to hear your thoughts!
I purchase a lot of vintage vinyl. In many cases albums in their original shrinkwrap…sealed. When opened they’re obviously new and unplayed but they still often have a dirty surface sound. A good cleaning makes all the difference. After recently cleaning a vintage Blue Cheer album the intense fuzztone guitar work actually had more detail and articulation than I once thought!
Yea I want to say Kevin Gray said at some point that every brand new record needs to be cleaned because of the chemical they put on the stamper that enables the record to peel off easily. Sort of like the olive oil spray but for records
Interesting review. Glad to see you doing these. That drying rack is available on Amazon. I bought one a few months ago. I used to use a dish drying rack lined with a microfiber towel. This one is much better. I have the HG. I’m tempted by your review because this can clean multiple LPs. Fortunately I work from home so I can clean records as my day goes on. The only disadvantage is no drying cycle.
Yea that drying element is the nice thing about also having a VPi vacuum machine. I’ll check out Amazon, as I could see there being value to having 2 or 3 and probably easily collapsible with those wing nuts for storage
I tried one of these in January last year but didn’t have enough records at the time to justify keeping it on hand. However, at the current price, it’s a no-brainer to grab one now. There is a controller for motor speed that you can get online . It's a DC 12V 24V LED Strip Dimmer Switch with DC Female Male Adapter. You might also want to add a drop or two of TergiKleen. After cleaning records ultrasonically, be sure to rinse them with distilled water if you’re using TergiKleen for the cleaning process.
Love the intro… maybe because I have the same coffee table! Ha! Could you do a follow-up that shows how much gunk sinks to the bottom after running a batch of average records? Also, any plans for more vintage vinyl reviews? Maybe Stan Getz More west coast jazz 1956? Thanks. Wishing you and yours a merry Christmas.
Nice! These lane tables are timeless. I’d love to show how the impact of cleaning a dozen records or something. Regarding vintage reviews, yes. I actually just picked up a Stan Getz album on Roost yesterday. Maybe a retrospective on his early work…
Higher speed rotation also is detrimental to effective cavitation. The higher speed creates waves which impede the cavitation itself. Slower is definitely better PACVR NEIL ANTIN is your record cleaning bible. Tony Ps rinse rinse rinse
My Vevor has cleaned about 200 records so far. I change the water after about 25 records, or sooner if the water looks dirty. It can hold 5 records at a time, but I think doing just two records with lots of room between them works better. I do add a surfactant, so after cleaning, I do a rinse using my VPI record cleaner.
Does this replace your vpi cleaner? Is there any reason you’d use one over the other? Worth keeping/using both? Was there a lot of dirt left in the groove of your vpi cleaned records?
I use my VPI to rinse/vacuum after the ultrasonic cleaning. I use a cleaning solution in the ultrasonic so it seems like a good idea to rinse it off with cool, clear, water. And I already had the VPI, so I might as well use it. It reduces drying time to almost nothing.
@@roscoejones4515I agree with this, that the combination is the best solution. And I can confirm that the ultrasonic is able to get at grime that the VPI cannot. The VPI to some degree is as effective as your hand and brush are at scrubbing gunk out, and it seems impossible to get into literally every groove, whereas the cavitation from ultrasonic cleaners can do that
A fabulous resource is PACVR Neil Antin a naval scientist tasked with water management on nuclear subs. He has written the Bible on precision record cleaning. Read Neil’s information regarding incorporating the ultrasonic bath along with your VPI. He also gives excellent direction regarding proper chemistry to aid in your quest for clean records. Good luck with your new tool to add to your process. Cheers Tony
I had this machine. I used foam drain rings to fit over the label and keep out water. The big issue is it uses too much water. I used distilled water, which is really costly.
Yea 6L is a lot of water though I think all the machines that leverage the jewelry main unit need to be that size to accommodate vinyl. I typically save records up, so to speak, for the opportunity to clean in bulk
@@EddieJazzFan when you’re using a gallon in a ultrasonic machine and it gets dirty quick and there’s no filter, then it gets expensive to clean records. As opposed to a ultrasonic machine created to clean records, it uses very little while like the humming guru.
@@theboomerscalper I get your point, But I wonder how many records this unit will clean on a clean tank of water? If it's 25-30 albums, it's still cost effective.
It is quieter but definitely not silent. It’s the difference between wanting to have the unit running outside for my DIY vs being able to stand it inside the house with the vevor. (But maybe ideally in another room!)
I have had the vevor from Amazon. The motor crapped out. I ordered an upscale motor and rotator kit that spins slower which is better cleaning in less time. I use my project vacuum to remove water and a short time in the rack. Great results as evidenced by the junk that sinks to the bottom
Same thing happened for me too. The motor stopped working after I had it for a few weeks. I can't remember how many records I cleaned, but it wasn't that many maybe 30 or so. It was freaking great while it worked, but I ended up returning it to amazon since thankfully it was still in the return window.
These are basic ultrasonic cleaners from the net with a rotating device added in. I have the Kirmuss record restoration machine Upscale Audio edition. It’s fantastic. There are many technical reasons why his machine is ideal. The main reason is his machine is optimized for record cleaning using cavitation. This requires a special solution to positively charge the record as the water is already negatively charged. This will create effective cavitation against the record surface. Michael Fremer uses his machine as well. Charles Kirmuss has detailed videos on TH-cam on why and how his machine is again optimized for highly effective record cleaning. 👍
The Kirmuss owner's carny barker/Veg-O-Matic salesman schtick is enough to drive me far, far away from giving him money. A lab coat? Seriously? 🙄 Not to mention the Kiddy Playland stickers on the thing. But, to each their own.
Michael Fremer is a good guy - he might be one of the few balanced reviewers giving real critical views. Chris thanks for your balanced review. I still think the DeGritter is the way to go
@@PrivateHireGuy the link is functional for me however it does seem as though it’s temporarily sold out. I do know it’s available elsewhere via the large online retailer that’s also the name of a rain forest in South America ;)
I have a Nitty Gritty and am quite happy with this and less involved than a Vevor. Yours looks like a more expensive version of a Spin Doctor. You shouldn’t use tap water by the way. The reviews on yours don’t seem all positive.
The Nitty Gritty is quite different than an ultrasonic cleaner, but I've heard good things. You may be referring to either the Spin Clean or the Record Doctor when you say Spin Doctor, but either way, those are also very different machines than an ultrasonic. Each of the aforementioned solutions involve manual scrubbing of the record. Ultrasonic machines use cavitation to clean the grooves. Also definitely noted on not using tap water. I reference as much in the video that only distilled should be used.
@ I meant Spin Clean, sorry. I realize it’s a different process but a lot more work than a vacuum type cleaner. I suppose if you have really old and dirty records it makes sense although I haven’t done a study of which process is more effective.
Main problem using a jewelry cleaner is the frequency. 40khz is not optimal for records. You need 120 kHz. Also, it does not have enough power to really remove anything on the record surface. It is inexpensive, but it does not do the job… sorry to disappoint…
The old intro music is back!!! Yay!
lol
During C I invested in a Degritter, it was a very expensive purchase at the time. My view now is it’s indispensable, I’m 3000 plus cleans in, and it’s saved dozens and dozens of records from being returned, and I buy mostly new. I don’t accept clicks and pops as any kind of USP, I want them removed.
I’ve been so seduced by its success, I just bought a Mk 2 version and run them in tandem, inc pre-washing, and variable settings depending on the starting point. I don’t let mine go much above 30 as the transducers are more likely to fail.
The other big benefit is a timed air dryer, no drying racks required
Good video, i can really use a ultrasonic cleaner for my lp collection. Thanks for the detailed comparison of your experience with the homegrown solution vs. the Vevor.
Thanks for the review. I bought one of these from Amazon a bit over a year ago and have cleaned hundreds of records with it. The only issue I've had is that one of the spacers had something on it (adhesive?) that didn't come off completely when removing the plastic film. The adhesive came of with a wash but it did mess up one label. Other than that, it's worked great and I usually find "stuff" in the bottom of the tank after cleaning a bunch of records so it's doing something. Love the channel & I appreciate all your work.
Thanks! Yea the protective film on some of those was hard to get off and I noticed a tiny bit of adhesive. It’s a good reminder though that I should probably rub each with some isopropyl alcohol before using them to avoid that same issue
Super review. Also glad you went back to the old into/theme song.
Great review! Is there any risk of the rack scratching the records? It seems to be made of hard plastic. Also, could the spindle threads potentially damage the label when loading records, like the teeth catching on it? I'd love to hear your thoughts!
I purchase a lot of vintage vinyl. In many cases albums in their original shrinkwrap…sealed. When opened they’re obviously new and unplayed but they still often have a dirty surface sound. A good cleaning makes all the difference. After recently cleaning a vintage Blue Cheer album the intense fuzztone guitar work actually had more detail and articulation than I once thought!
Yea I want to say Kevin Gray said at some point that every brand new record needs to be cleaned because of the chemical they put on the stamper that enables the record to peel off easily. Sort of like the olive oil spray but for records
Also you can raise that bolt on the record holder so you can load above the water line.
Aha! Clever
Interesting review. Glad to see you doing these.
That drying rack is available on Amazon. I bought one a few months ago. I used to use a dish drying rack lined with a microfiber towel. This one is much better.
I have the HG. I’m tempted by your review because this can clean multiple LPs. Fortunately I work from home so I can clean records as my day goes on.
The only disadvantage is no drying cycle.
Yea that drying element is the nice thing about also having a VPi vacuum machine. I’ll check out Amazon, as I could see there being value to having 2 or 3 and probably easily collapsible with those wing nuts for storage
I tried one of these in January last year but didn’t have enough records at the time to justify keeping it on hand. However, at the current price, it’s a no-brainer to grab one now. There is a controller for motor speed that you can get online . It's a DC 12V 24V LED Strip Dimmer Switch with DC Female Male Adapter.
You might also want to add a drop or two of TergiKleen.
After cleaning records ultrasonically, be sure to rinse them with distilled water if you’re using TergiKleen for the cleaning process.
Nice! I will be grabbing one of those for sure. I do prefer the slower speed even if i can’t point to exactly why
I think most of the more expensive models run at a slower speed. This controller will allow you to really slow down the motor and not damage it.
The review I didn't know I needed
Love the intro… maybe because I have the same coffee table! Ha! Could you do a follow-up that shows how much gunk sinks to the bottom after running a batch of average records? Also, any plans for more vintage vinyl reviews? Maybe Stan Getz More west coast jazz 1956? Thanks. Wishing you and yours a merry Christmas.
Nice! These lane tables are timeless. I’d love to show how the impact of cleaning a dozen records or something. Regarding vintage reviews, yes. I actually just picked up a Stan Getz album on Roost yesterday. Maybe a retrospective on his early work…
Thanks, I've been looking for something just like this model at this price point.
Game changer and a must-have!
Saw your video. Order it received today. screws and washers missing don’t fit. And a big hassle to get it corrected.
Sorry to hear that. If it’s of any use, I could reach out to the person who contacted me for assistance
Higher speed rotation also is detrimental to effective cavitation. The higher speed creates waves which impede the cavitation itself. Slower is definitely better
PACVR NEIL ANTIN is your record cleaning bible.
Tony
Ps rinse rinse rinse
Happy to hear your original intro music is back…it has a much better vibe! Now I can resubscribe! 😅 😊
My Vevor has cleaned about 200 records so far. I change the water after about 25 records, or sooner if the water looks dirty.
It can hold 5 records at a time, but I think doing just two records with lots of room between them works better. I do add a surfactant, so after cleaning, I do a rinse using my VPI record cleaner.
Very nice, yea I do anticipate using my VPI as a step in the cleaning process
Does this replace your vpi cleaner? Is there any reason you’d use one over the other? Worth keeping/using both? Was there a lot of dirt left in the groove of your vpi cleaned records?
I use my VPI to rinse/vacuum after the ultrasonic cleaning. I use a cleaning solution in the ultrasonic so it seems like a good idea to rinse it off with cool, clear, water. And I already had the VPI, so I might as well use it. It reduces drying time to almost nothing.
@@roscoejones4515I agree with this, that the combination is the best solution. And I can confirm that the ultrasonic is able to get at grime that the VPI cannot. The VPI to some degree is as effective as your hand and brush are at scrubbing gunk out, and it seems impossible to get into literally every groove, whereas the cavitation from ultrasonic cleaners can do that
A fabulous resource is PACVR Neil Antin a naval scientist tasked with water management on nuclear subs. He has written the Bible on precision record cleaning. Read Neil’s information regarding incorporating the ultrasonic bath along with your VPI. He also gives excellent direction regarding proper chemistry to aid in your quest for clean records. Good luck with your new tool to add to your process. Cheers
Tony
@@jazzvinylcollectorI also need to mention that hearing protection IS NOT OPTIONAL, IT'S MANDATORY when using these machines in tandem! Not joking!
I had this machine. I used foam drain rings to fit over the label and keep out water. The big issue is it uses too much water. I used distilled water, which is really costly.
Rob, distilled water is like a buck a gallon here in NY. Is it expensive where you live?
Yea 6L is a lot of water though I think all the machines that leverage the jewelry main unit need to be that size to accommodate vinyl. I typically save records up, so to speak, for the opportunity to clean in bulk
@@EddieJazzFan when you’re using a gallon in a ultrasonic machine and it gets dirty quick and there’s no filter, then it gets expensive to clean records. As opposed to a ultrasonic machine created to clean records, it uses very little while like the humming guru.
@@jazzvinylcollector the humming guru for me has paid for itself
@@theboomerscalper I get your point, But I wonder how many records this unit will clean on a clean tank of water? If it's 25-30 albums, it's still cost effective.
Does it improve the sound of the records?
Having clean records always does. I’ve cleaned records in my VPI and then cleaned again in the ultrasonic and it absolutely makes an improvement
is this machine as loud as your DIY version? Thanks!
It is quieter but definitely not silent. It’s the difference between wanting to have the unit running outside for my DIY vs being able to stand it inside the house with the vevor. (But maybe ideally in another room!)
@ thank you 🙏🏼
I have had the vevor from Amazon. The motor crapped out. I ordered an upscale motor and rotator kit that spins slower which is better cleaning in less time.
I use my project vacuum to remove water and a short time in the rack. Great results as evidenced by the junk that sinks to the bottom
Same thing happened for me too. The motor stopped working after I had it for a few weeks. I can't remember how many records I cleaned, but it wasn't that many maybe 30 or so. It was freaking great while it worked, but I ended up returning it to amazon since thankfully it was still in the return window.
These are basic ultrasonic cleaners from the net with a rotating device added in. I have the Kirmuss record restoration machine Upscale Audio edition. It’s fantastic.
There are many technical reasons why his machine is ideal. The main reason is his machine is optimized for record cleaning using cavitation. This requires a special solution to positively charge the record as the water is already negatively charged. This will create effective cavitation against the record surface. Michael Fremer uses his machine as well. Charles Kirmuss has detailed videos on TH-cam on why and how his machine is again optimized for highly effective record cleaning. 👍
The Kirmuss owner's carny barker/Veg-O-Matic salesman schtick is enough to drive me far, far away from giving him money. A lab coat? Seriously? 🙄 Not to mention the Kiddy Playland stickers on the thing. But, to each their own.
"Michael Fremer uses his machine as well".
Even I would use it if it was given to me. Probably.
Michael Fremer is a good guy - he might be one of the few balanced reviewers giving real critical views. Chris thanks for your balanced review. I still think the DeGritter is the way to go
Looks like the purchase link is dead?
@@PrivateHireGuy the link is functional for me however it does seem as though it’s temporarily sold out. I do know it’s available elsewhere via the large online retailer that’s also the name of a rain forest in South America ;)
Public Service Announcement at its best. Another GREAT video!
I have a Nitty Gritty and am quite happy with this and less involved than a Vevor. Yours looks like a more expensive version of a Spin Doctor. You shouldn’t use tap water by the way. The reviews on yours don’t seem all positive.
The Nitty Gritty is quite different than an ultrasonic cleaner, but I've heard good things. You may be referring to either the Spin Clean or the Record Doctor when you say Spin Doctor, but either way, those are also very different machines than an ultrasonic. Each of the aforementioned solutions involve manual scrubbing of the record. Ultrasonic machines use cavitation to clean the grooves. Also definitely noted on not using tap water. I reference as much in the video that only distilled should be used.
@ I meant Spin Clean, sorry. I realize it’s a different process but a lot more work than a vacuum type cleaner. I suppose if you have really old and dirty records it makes sense although I haven’t done a study of which process is more effective.
Main problem using a jewelry cleaner is the frequency. 40khz is not optimal for records. You need 120 kHz. Also, it does not have enough power to really remove anything on the record surface. It is inexpensive, but it does not do the job… sorry to disappoint…
Sub-par cleaning = waste of your time, buying something inexpensive thinking it will do a good job, only to realize it's shiny junk.
It does enough of a job to be a noticeable improvement. Even the $700 humminguru has the same specs in terms of kHz and wattage
Threw mine away last week....nobody would take it off my hands...even for free...waste of $200....
Exactly, $200- could have bought 5-7 LP's, so there's that.