Your coverage of this story is spectacular and almost feels like a research project with the additional story lines. You hear the stories but don't really get the feel for how powerful a player he was until you see the utter domination in action.
As Fischer, Taimanov, and agadmator said, the 6-0 doesn't indicate their relative strengths. However, the end result is the definition of domination. Not to mention, the same result happens against Larsen... And the crushing defeats continue until he is world champion.
I see. You're just into anti-American illogical hate speech. Comparing a chess show to Gilligan's Island is not even apples and oranges, it's apples and car exhaust. Enjoy living with your sad little life of editing youtube comments repeatedly.
@Ron Maimon: I see you're a self admitted communist. True to all communists, you're still trying to claim defeat wasn't a defeat. Some things never change.
To be honest, I always thought that something changed in Fischer during or after the Palma de Mallorca Interzonal, his understanding of positions seemed to move to a level above all other GM's at the time, indeed, probably to a level nobody today could match. I think this is also why Fischer walked away from chess after becoming world champion, a great loss that can only leave people wondering what he would have gone on to achieve. His championing of Fischer/960 Chess and ability to play engine lines in the 2nd match with Spassky would seem to indicate that for him chess may well have become boring, and his critique that modern chess is simply a matter of who can remember most opening lines supports that.
Nyctasia Fischer left Chess because he understood it enough to know that Anatoli Karpov would be to much for him to handle and he simply could not stand the thought of loosing the title to another Russian and one that was already becoming a Super star in his own right.
Devon Duke On what ground can you prove this point? If the organizer agreed to his ludicrous demand then most probably the match would have happen. Even Spassky never believed that Karpov is better than Fischer
Fischer was doing the same thing at the 1967 Interzonal, until he walked out of the tournament while leading. Most likely he would have dominated the candidates matches and won the title in 1969. www.si.com/vault/1967/11/20/609744/the-further-adventures-of-terribletempered-bobby
adrian velez Do your research, they agreed to nearly every demand he laid out except for 1. And on top of that, The Philippines offered to put up an unprecedented 5 million dollars for the match! A sum that was unheard of for a chess match at that time. They litteraly agreed to all 100+ of his demands to get the match underway and Karpov did also, reluctantly.... Fischer's final demand was that he retains his title in case of a score of 9-9 which the match would be declared drawn and he's still champion. Which also meant that the challenger had to win the match by a clear 2 points to get the crown! And virtually the whole chess world thought that was wrong of Fischer to try and handicap his opponent like that and so did Karpov. Fischer had gone over nearly every game Karpov had played and had been keeping up closely with his tournament success, he knew what he was up for in facing Karpov, he was afraid and he made the country look bad by not defending his title. He deserved to be stripped of his title and Karpov went on to prove that he deserved to have it!
Gabriel Jackson Isn't that like the most basic thing? You don't need to have good English to know that you should lower your voice at the end of a sentence.
This entire Taimanov story was quite sad. Especially how the Soviets treated such a great player. Are people not supposed to lose in a 'Game' ?! And that too to RJ Fischer of 1971 who's a monster who could've beaten anyone in the world. 🤦😒
Dr. MG M it wasn’t just that he lost. He lost 6-0. The Soviet Union was a powerhouse when it came to chess, producing so many gm’s and world champions during that time. Losing 6-4 or 6-3 would have been frowned upon but I don’t think the Soviet Union would have punished Taimanov. But a 6-0 thrashing from an “inferior American” is something completely different. Taimanov was representing the Soviet Union and losing that badly was seen as a humiliation. Everyone knew Fischer was strong but not strong enough to win by that margin. I don’t believe the soviets realized how talented Bobby was until after he defeated Spassky. They had no answers for him.
At this time it was also during the Cold War so tensions between America and the the USSR were at an all time high, this one-sided result was't just seen as Fischer being better than Taimanov, but America being better than the Soviet Union so the latter was appropriately pissed off. This isn't to say what they did to Taimanov was right because there is no justifying that, at the end of the day, it's just chess.
The soviet finger pointing mentality that was one of the prime reasons of its fall operating again to cause destruction saying that he threw cuz of political reasons, socialists giving excuses Is the no1 reason they tend to fall short
as a classical pianist, I can say that the timbre he can get out of the instrument is wonderful and that fact itself makes you world class pianist. Not technique, not your vast repertoir, although both of these are kind of needed as well, but you will enjoy the most the pianist who can really make the instrument sing the best colours it has. And you can hear, Mark was able to do that, which is a huge skill. And after all, I guess maths and chess can ruin you, but music will always heal.
Thanks for that data sir. Especially regarding the fact of achieving the best sound in terms of the acoustic possibilities of the instrument. I truly appreciate this vast knowledge about Taimanov's interpretative abilities as a pianist. Thank you, from a compliant audiophile.
you're welcome :) playing with the sound is probably the most rewarding experience when playing piano :) and imagine something like: you live in those times, have your job, and out of sudden, your favourite composer drops new hit! And you have to learn it immediately! As with Poulenc... to put that into perspective - Taimanov was 11 when Ravel died, 17 when Rachmaninov died, 27 when Prokofiev died, 37 when Poulenc died, 49 when Shostakovich died... from some point of view, what a time to live.
Damn, agad you're like a man of a success for me. You just keep on doing what you really love and what we as your viewers appreciate and enjoy. I love your vids, and thanks for motivation. Keep it going! ♥️👍👌
agadmator I was curious if you have any thoughts on the Soviet treatment of Taimanov compared to the USA's treatment of Fischer. They seem similar in many respects (mainly financial ruin), even though the reasons were very different. Although Taimanov wasn't forced out of his country, or facing 10 years in prison. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
Wow!! Fischer was a defensive monster! It must have been so frustrating playing so brilliantly against Fischer to find yourself in a defensive position at the end.
At least I'm happy to see that Mr Taimanov is strong enough to handle this loss and appreciate Fischer, regardless of how big crisis he himself was in.
Fischer truly was on another planet altogether at times. Taimanov may have been a fantastic pianist but Fischer created symphonies of brilliance over the board.
thoroughly recommend the book "Russians vs Fischer" - it's got immense amount of details and interviews from soviet chess elite and bureaucracy about all matches fischer played against soviets in his career.
Dang, we joke about “you ended that guys career” after a brutal showing or an embarrassment in most games or sports but Fischer straight up ruined this dudes life
It was not Fischers fault. I am sure teimanov wouldn't have wanted Fischer to let him win a game or two because of pity... This wouldve humiliated him even more. Also the offer, the soviets made Fischer, was absolutely ridiculous and teimanov would've done the same thing in Fischer's position
if i could play the piano like that, and play chess on this level, i'd be happy enough in life. maybe not the extent to which his government mistreated him for simply losing, but those are some serious piano skills
yeah... I heard him playing some less difficult pieces, and that timbre... wonderful. People call Lang Lang a great pianist, I can't stand him, but I could listen such playing by Taimanov for hours :)
@agadmator, Your videos have single-handedly got me back into chess at the ripe old age of 36!! I haven't played since I was in high school some 18 years (half my life) ago. So I am raising a drink to you sir, thank you for your authoritative analysis, and rich, humorous stories. I now follow the sport, and hope to continue for years to come!
One more thing: Thank you very much, Agadmator, for giving all those additional information, you really increased my knowledge and I'm sure not only mine!
It's the extra information that you provide gives context to each game and makes the main content more interesting and as a result becomes effective in delivery
Series on Taimanov very well done, but kind of hard to watch knowing what Taimanov would face after the match was done. It's just a game folks, not a proof of anything when you come down to it. Compared to Fischer, who ended up exiled and alone in Iceland, Taimanov, who fathered twins at the age of 78, would probably be declared the winner over Fischer in the way he played the game of life. More on Mark Taimanov for those interested. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Taimanov
well, he do suffer quite a lot after the match. but i believe, his life continues normally after that. well, at least his country didn't dump him and he didn't go crazy before he died.
Taimanov didn't have George HW Bush of the Bush crime family to deal with either. People act like Fischer was angry and bitter for no reason at all...do some research knuckleheads.
A lot of geniuses end up in relative isolation because they don't evaluate the world the same way "everyone else" does. It can be very difficult for them to find close friends who can talk with them about their interests.
Also its clear that Taimanov is an artist at both the piano and chess, it doesnt matter that he lost these games as he played some beautiful chess throughout and that is equivalent to timeless music that can always be enjoyed. Russia shouldve been proud.
not proud of the result itself but proud of the beautiful chess that forced the best player in the world to play his absolute best chess in order to win, the standard of excellence in these games is very high indeed, any neutral fan would deem it a truly great competition. its like a boxing match, even though Taimanov lost via TKO in all 6 matches he still gave Fischer a hell of a fight in all the games and was never down on the scorecards until the later rounds, he had Fischer on the ropes many times and the champ needed to fight like a champ to stay on his feet. One of Fischers greatest victories instead of Taimanovs error. If you read the result in the paper you might not feel proud but if you watched the bout you would feel proud of Taimanov.
cattycats4 again, you must be super naive or totally unaware of the times when this match was played, the political aspect of his defeat 45+ years ago towered over beauty and sportsmanship of chess, because of his defeat he was ostracized in the Soviet Union, this was height of the Cold War.
I understand the history but that doesnt mean the political angle was anything other than horsemanure, a human view would be to to see the beauty in a game and not just the end result. So in restrospect they shouldve been proud of an extremely talented artist and not used the political angle to destroy a mans reputation and try to downplay how brilliant Fischer really was. A lot of hurt ego's were shaping the political view and those opinions are completely missing the reality of the games.
Taimanov was a genius in his own right. On the board and the piano. Sadly, he was literally a victim. But I see him being more of a victim of the times rather than just from Bobby.
I was really sad after reading Taimanov interview ...A brilliant player shud never be treated that way...it was a game played by two honorable players...Politics shud be far far away from the beauties of Chess games between Legends..
Communists always discard people when they are no longer useful. Pay close attention in the west today, you are going to see lots of this as the left goes up in flames.
You do a great job with your videos but this is the best one yet. In addition to the game, the history and personalities that surround great chess tournaments and matches are compelling. Keep up your great work!
Indeed, so compelling was the analysis of the Soviets complex web of disastrous traps that we soon forgot its narrator. To be ignored and forgotten should be reward enough.
It's kind of painful after reading Taimanov's wiki article, so hurtful when he's been subjected to such treatment by the Soviet government. :( Very sad and feel pitiful of him.
An both a musician and a chess enthusiast, I felt really sad for what happened to him. Times were really tough back then but I respect him for his fortitude and respect despite his loss.
By the way agad, great choice of the music played by Taimanov - you know, Francis Poulenc lived 1899-1963, so they could even know each other and you know... when you are classical pianist and you can play these pieces when they are "fresh", you are waiting for the newest hit by Poulenc or Shostakovich... Taimanov could even meet Rachmaninov or Prokofiev personally, what a time to live... I guess everything has its pros and cons.
The name of the writer in his interview is Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn (/ˌsoʊlʒəˈniːtsɪn). He was a great writer. He was an outspoken critic of the Soviet Union and communism and helped to raise global awareness of its Gulag forced labor camp system. In my opinion two of his greatest works are One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich (1962) and The Gulag Archipelago (1973). You can find the audio book of The Gulag Archipelago for free on TH-cam.
Every champion needs the right opponent before they can elevate to greatness... Very sad postscript, but also, what a chess story Mark Taimanov gave us. If Taimanov were still alive, I'd feel like making a donation to him. Thank you Mark.
By the way, I can only recommend the book "The Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. It has nothing to do with chess, but anyone can learn a lot from it!
He was more than just "decent". There was a series put out by Philips/Steinway about 20 years ago called the Great Pianists of the 20th Century. It featured about 75 pianists. There were 100 two CD sets, but some pianists, like Horowitz and Rubinstein had 3 volumes, others had 2. So, Mark and his wife, Lyubov had a volume themselves. They are in very heady company, along with Rachmaninov, Bolet, Cortot, Gould and Michelangeli, indeed. Yes, he was more than just decent!
When I hear that Taimanov was a concert pianist, I think of the Fischer quote "I give 98 percent of my mental energy to chess. Others give only 2 percent." While Taimanov was practicing piano, Fischer was practicing destroying chess opponents.
Sol Jen it's kin! A giant in the cold war romance. It means he was traitor because Alexander Soljenitzkin wrote a book called, One Day In The life of Ivan Denosovich Shukof. Sorry if the spelling's wrong. This book was considered a pivotal moment when a talented writer goes whistleblower on the Gulag. I always remember the first lines being about the ice on the inside of the window being three inches thick. Soljenitzkin changed the world like few others.
These games rival most World Championship games. You could see how clearly Fischer was seeing the board and the positions. No wonder no one could beat him in this stretch, he was truly playing superhuman chess.
I am really looking forward to the series against Larsen, as I perceive him as one of the most arrogant chess players of history along with Botvinnik - don't know why this feeling, but it's there. Thank you for the excellent work, I really enjoy it :)
Fischer's obliteration of Larsen must have been especially sweet for him as Larsen told the world how he was going to explode the myth of Fischer's strength and wear him down before defeating him utterly. Taimanov behaved like a gentleman at every point of this match, as did Bobby, but Larsen started by shooting his mouth off and ended up shooting his foot off :-D
Unbelievable how the soviets treated Taimanov, this shows what a sick and evil system it was that more than 200 million people had to live in, with practcally no chance to escape...
Hi Agadmator, I have got addicted to watching chess and especially on your channel. While I am in awe for Fisher, I feel sorry about Taimanov especially after reading his and his coach's interview. However, considering that chess was like a religion in USSR and absolutely unheard of in USA, Fisher deserves all the credit for his genius. Next I want to see Fisher's match with I guess Larsen of Denmark, hope that's the correct name. Hope, you have covered that too in this channel. Lots of best wishes to you for running the channel nicely.
The best part of this saga is how Tal was constantly explaining how equal the players were. It just seemed obvious that Fisher was the stronger player..and the games revealed that.
I really love your videos mate. Could you look over Alekhine vs Rabinovich from 1918 in moscow please? would appreciate it. It's a wonderful game. Congrats on your succes over youtube, you make a lot of chess fans happy everyday!!
Amazing that such a brutal score can arise out of such closely-fought games. In tennis terms this would be like winning two best-of-5 matches, 7:6 three times in each one :D
Great job covering this match. Have to conclude after your coverage that Fischer was pretty much unstoppable at that point in his career. Were Fischer and Tal friends, do you know?
Hey Agadmator, thank you for the analysis, I find your videos very interesting and productive! Also, I have a question, what is your level of play? Expert? Master? I'm curious hahahaha. Keep doing the videos, they're great!
Hello everyone and thank you for a wonderful channel. Who is Alexander Solzhenitsyn? He wrote the Gulag Archipelago, an autobiography exposing life in Soviet gulags.
*tells how Taimanov's life was ruined.*
"That being said, I really hope you enjoyed that."
lol such an epic sequence
Your coverage of this story is spectacular and almost feels like a research project with the additional story lines.
You hear the stories but don't really get the feel for how powerful a player he was until you see the utter domination in action.
As Fischer, Taimanov, and agadmator said, the 6-0 doesn't indicate their relative strengths. However, the end result is the definition of domination. Not to mention, the same result happens against Larsen... And the crushing defeats continue until he is world champion.
I see. You're just into anti-American illogical hate speech. Comparing a chess show to Gilligan's Island is not even apples and oranges, it's apples and car exhaust.
Enjoy living with your sad little life of editing youtube comments repeatedly.
@Ron Maimon: I see you're a self admitted communist. True to all communists, you're still trying to claim defeat wasn't a defeat. Some things never change.
@Ron Maimon: You don't even understand your own ideology. Too funny.
@Ron Maimon: I'm not American. And it's amazing you're openly admitting to being a socialist.
To be honest, I always thought that something changed in Fischer during or after the Palma de Mallorca Interzonal, his understanding of positions seemed to move to a level above all other GM's at the time, indeed, probably to a level nobody today could match. I think this is also why Fischer walked away from chess after becoming world champion, a great loss that can only leave people wondering what he would have gone on to achieve. His championing of Fischer/960 Chess and ability to play engine lines in the 2nd match with Spassky would seem to indicate that for him chess may well have become boring, and his critique that modern chess is simply a matter of who can remember most opening lines supports that.
Nyctasia imagine what Fischer would be like if he played in the era of engines... scary to think about
Nyctasia Fischer left Chess because he understood it enough to know that Anatoli Karpov would be to much for him to handle and he simply could not stand the thought of loosing the title to another Russian and one that was already becoming a Super star in his own right.
Devon Duke On what ground can you prove this point? If the organizer agreed to his ludicrous demand then most probably the match would have happen. Even Spassky never believed that Karpov is better than Fischer
Fischer was doing the same thing at the 1967 Interzonal, until he walked out of the tournament while leading. Most likely he would have dominated the candidates matches and won the title in 1969.
www.si.com/vault/1967/11/20/609744/the-further-adventures-of-terribletempered-bobby
adrian velez Do your research, they agreed to nearly every demand he laid out except for 1. And on top of that, The Philippines offered to put up an unprecedented 5 million dollars for the match! A sum that was unheard of for a chess match at that time. They litteraly agreed to all 100+ of his demands to get the match underway and Karpov did also, reluctantly.... Fischer's final demand was that he retains his title in case of a score of 9-9 which the match would be declared drawn and he's still champion. Which also meant that the challenger had to win the match by a clear 2 points to get the crown! And virtually the whole chess world thought that was wrong of Fischer to try and handicap his opponent like that and so did Karpov. Fischer had gone over nearly every game Karpov had played and had been keeping up closely with his tournament success, he knew what he was up for in facing Karpov, he was afraid and he made the country look bad by not defending his title. He deserved to be stripped of his title and Karpov went on to prove that he deserved to have it!
Your english is so good that you corrected the intonation of the last sentence of the second paragraph, bravo!
Gabriel Jackson Isn't that like the most basic thing? You don't need to have good English to know that you should lower your voice at the end of a sentence.
He changes the pronunciation of “economicAl”. :).
Agad speaks better English than most Americans
This entire Taimanov story was quite sad. Especially how the Soviets treated such a great player. Are people not supposed to lose in a 'Game' ?! And that too to RJ Fischer of 1971 who's a monster who could've beaten anyone in the world. 🤦😒
Dr. MG M it wasn’t just that he lost. He lost 6-0. The Soviet Union was a powerhouse when it came to chess, producing so many gm’s and world champions during that time. Losing 6-4 or 6-3 would have been frowned upon but I don’t think the Soviet Union would have punished Taimanov. But a 6-0 thrashing from an “inferior American” is something completely different. Taimanov was representing the Soviet Union and losing that badly was seen as a humiliation. Everyone knew Fischer was strong but not strong enough to win by that margin. I don’t believe the soviets realized how talented Bobby was until after he defeated Spassky. They had no answers for him.
At this time it was also during the Cold War so tensions between America and the the USSR were at an all time high, this one-sided result was't just seen as Fischer being better than Taimanov, but America being better than the Soviet Union so the latter was appropriately pissed off. This isn't to say what they did to Taimanov was right because there is no justifying that, at the end of the day, it's just chess.
The soviet finger pointing mentality that was one of the prime reasons of its fall operating again to cause destruction saying that he threw cuz of political reasons, socialists giving excuses Is the no1 reason they tend to fall short
The problem is that Soviets didn’t see Bobby’s superiority and talent. They only saw “betrayal”. That’s the nature of evil regimes.
Nobody loves you when you're down and out. Yes, it is sad.
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as a classical pianist, I can say that the timbre he can get out of the instrument is wonderful and that fact itself makes you world class pianist. Not technique, not your vast repertoir, although both of these are kind of needed as well, but you will enjoy the most the pianist who can really make the instrument sing the best colours it has. And you can hear, Mark was able to do that, which is a huge skill. And after all, I guess maths and chess can ruin you, but music will always heal.
Thanks for that data sir. Especially regarding the fact of achieving the best sound in terms of the acoustic possibilities of the instrument. I truly appreciate this vast knowledge about Taimanov's interpretative abilities as a pianist. Thank you, from a compliant audiophile.
you're welcome :) playing with the sound is probably the most rewarding experience when playing piano :) and imagine something like: you live in those times, have your job, and out of sudden, your favourite composer drops new hit! And you have to learn it immediately! As with Poulenc... to put that into perspective - Taimanov was 11 when Ravel died, 17 when Rachmaninov died, 27 when Prokofiev died, 37 when Poulenc died, 49 when Shostakovich died... from some point of view, what a time to live.
Damn, agad you're like a man of a success for me. You just keep on doing what you really love and what we as your viewers appreciate and enjoy.
I love your vids, and thanks for motivation. Keep it going! ♥️👍👌
Thanks. Will do :)
agadmator I was curious if you have any thoughts on the Soviet treatment of Taimanov compared to the USA's treatment of Fischer. They seem similar in many respects (mainly financial ruin), even though the reasons were very different. Although Taimanov wasn't forced out of his country, or facing 10 years in prison. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
Fascinating anecdotes about Taimanov...absolute authority washes itself with foolish hands.
Wow!! Fischer was a defensive monster! It must have been so frustrating playing so brilliantly against Fischer to find yourself in a defensive position at the end.
At least I'm happy to see that Mr Taimanov is strong enough to handle this loss and appreciate Fischer, regardless of how big crisis he himself was in.
Fischer truly was on another planet altogether at times. Taimanov may have been a fantastic pianist but Fischer created symphonies of brilliance over the board.
the best video i ever seen in this channel amazing this interview stuff was realy good
thoroughly recommend the book "Russians vs Fischer" - it's got immense amount of details and interviews from soviet chess elite and bureaucracy about all matches fischer played against soviets in his career.
It is sad for me to see what the soviets did to theyr GMs that loosed to Fischer
it is even sadder to realize what they did to everyone else they didn't like to begin with
Your videos are just like episodes of an hollywood movie...that is why people like it so much 😍😍😍
What? Hollywood movies prevent people from attaining vast knowledge...so this is the opposite!
fredy gump haha
In Soviet Russia, Chess check mates you
Lol amazing joke! Really!
Thanks!
Dang, we joke about “you ended that guys career” after a brutal showing or an embarrassment in most games or sports but Fischer straight up ruined this dudes life
No,communism ruined Taimanov life!
The Soviet government caused Taimanov the most grief. Fischer didn't make them respond like that.
It was not Fischers fault. I am sure teimanov wouldn't have wanted Fischer to let him win a game or two because of pity... This wouldve humiliated him even more. Also the offer, the soviets made Fischer, was absolutely ridiculous and teimanov would've done the same thing in Fischer's position
Soviet ruined his life not Fischer.
if i could play the piano like that, and play chess on this level, i'd be happy enough in life. maybe not the extent to which his government mistreated him for simply losing, but those are some serious piano skills
yeah... I heard him playing some less difficult pieces, and that timbre... wonderful. People call Lang Lang a great pianist, I can't stand him, but I could listen such playing by Taimanov for hours :)
I’m 25. I love playing piano(5+ years )also chess (1400+) rated . Hopefully, I and taimanov have something in common 😀
@agadmator, Your videos have single-handedly got me back into chess at the ripe old age of 36!! I haven't played since I was in high school some 18 years (half my life) ago. So I am raising a drink to you sir, thank you for your authoritative analysis, and rich, humorous stories. I now follow the sport, and hope to continue for years to come!
ivanchuk would never economize on food when facing bobby fischer, though he still would have lost four games on time.
One more thing: Thank you very much, Agadmator, for giving all those additional information, you really increased my knowledge and I'm sure not only mine!
It's the extra information that you provide gives context to each game and makes the main content more interesting and as a result becomes effective in delivery
Series on Taimanov very well done, but kind of hard to watch knowing what Taimanov would face after the match was done. It's just a game folks, not a proof of anything when you come down to it. Compared to Fischer, who ended up exiled and alone in Iceland, Taimanov, who fathered twins at the age of 78, would probably be declared the winner over Fischer in the way he played the game of life. More on Mark Taimanov for those interested. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Taimanov
Some people like to be alone and exiled in Iceland. It's all subjective.
well, he do suffer quite a lot after the match. but i believe, his life continues normally after that. well, at least his country didn't dump him and he didn't go crazy before he died.
Taimanov didn't have George HW Bush of the Bush crime family to deal with either. People act like Fischer was angry and bitter for no reason at all...do some research knuckleheads.
A lot of geniuses end up in relative isolation because they don't evaluate the world the same way "everyone else" does. It can be very difficult for them to find close friends who can talk with them about their interests.
Also its clear that Taimanov is an artist at both the piano and chess, it doesnt matter that he lost these games as he played some beautiful chess throughout and that is equivalent to timeless music that can always be enjoyed. Russia shouldve been proud.
Proud? Beautiful games or not, the result is far more important and they got trashed 6-0...
clearly Russia (USSR) wasn't very proud.
not proud of the result itself but proud of the beautiful chess that forced the best player in the world to play his absolute best chess in order to win, the standard of excellence in these games is very high indeed, any neutral fan would deem it a truly great competition.
its like a boxing match, even though Taimanov lost via TKO in all 6 matches he still gave Fischer a hell of a fight in all the games and was never down on the scorecards until the later rounds, he had Fischer on the ropes many times and the champ needed to fight like a champ to stay on his feet.
One of Fischers greatest victories instead of Taimanovs error.
If you read the result in the paper you might not feel proud but if you watched the bout you would feel proud of Taimanov.
cattycats4 again, you must be super naive or totally unaware of the times when this match was played, the political aspect of his defeat 45+ years ago towered over beauty and sportsmanship of chess, because of his defeat he was ostracized in the Soviet Union, this was height of the Cold War.
I understand the history but that doesnt mean the political angle was anything other than horsemanure, a human view would be to to see the beauty in a game and not just the end result. So in restrospect they shouldve been proud of an extremely talented artist and not used the political angle to destroy a mans reputation and try to downplay how brilliant Fischer really was. A lot of hurt ego's were shaping the political view and those opinions are completely missing the reality of the games.
Eagerly waiting how Fischer crushed bent Larsen ego. Please update 2 videos per day on Fischer series.
This is one of the most beautiful videos you have done Antonio.
Thank you very much!!!!!!!
Also, Antonio, I will tell you I have seen many, many of your videos and not once has you adjusting the volume made any noticable difference 😂
I really feel for Mark. The repercussions for his loss seems very disproportionate.
That's the soviet union for you.
Taimanov was a genius in his own right. On the board and the piano. Sadly, he was literally a victim. But I see him being more of a victim of the times rather than just from Bobby.
The interviews felt like some very enjoyable podcasts, with the bonus of being narrated by agadmator. Loved it
I liked the 'behind the scenes' look that you documented and added. Thanks, I hadn't heard it before. Quite a revealing glimpse into the Soviet Union.
Bf6 to defend d4 runs into Nxd6+, slightly more serious than the minor exchange. Love the channel, man - Got me back into chess after a long time!
amazing coverage Agad, thanks alot of what you're doing for all the chess comunity.
That was an amazing match, regardless of the drama behind the scenes. Amazing, thank you for sharing it.
А real massacre by Bobby. A killing with a taste of classic
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Thanks for the analysis, the context: very high quality and very enjoyable, I learnt a lot!
I was really sad after reading Taimanov interview ...A brilliant player shud never be treated that way...it was a game played by two honorable players...Politics shud be far far away from the beauties of Chess games between Legends..
Communists always discard people when they are no longer useful. Pay close attention in the west today, you are going to see lots of this as the left goes up in flames.
Excellent coverage of the match and fabulous background material at the end! Keep up the great work, Agad :D!
Thanks once again for your insightful analysis which is proving even more VAST as time goes on!
Best ever series, Agad. Thanks!
Excellent coverage ! Thank you Sir!
Thank you Agadmator. Cha robh fios agam gun do chluich e am pian cuideachd. Tha an sgeulachd aige cho duilich.
great overview of this match thx alot for all the work you do for us junkies:)
You do a great job with your videos but this is the best one yet. In addition to the game, the history and personalities that surround great chess tournaments and matches are compelling. Keep up your great work!
agadmator is like wine, it gets better and better with time
Great analysis and background! I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thank you for reading the text from the interview. It really helps when watching the video on smartphone.
Great coverage! Thank you.
The best video you ever uploaded.. You're a great story teller , Keep going man .. Greetings from middle east from one of your oldest subscribers 👍
Indeed, so compelling was the analysis of the Soviets complex web of disastrous traps that we soon forgot its narrator. To be ignored and forgotten should be reward enough.
It's kind of painful after reading Taimanov's wiki article, so hurtful when he's been subjected to such treatment by the Soviet government. :( Very sad and feel pitiful of him.
Yes indeed...
Thank you so much for your great work
An both a musician and a chess enthusiast, I felt really sad for what happened to him. Times were really tough back then but I respect him for his fortitude and respect despite his loss.
WOW! I love the coverage!
Great job on this video. Thank you!
5:12 If you defend the d4 pawn with bishop, you actually just blunder your queen to Nd6 :)
I really enjoyed the historical excerpts at the end! Very interesting!
The moral of the story:
Don't economize on food when facing Bobby Fischer.
or - don't establish USSR.. xD
Kristaps - right, LOL.
Well you would probably lose even if you didnt
@@KM-fl5jq Or, even better, don't turn these games into Clash of Nations. Just shut your ego aside and let the gentlemen play the game.
I had forgotten that point. He suffered from exhaustion more easily because he neglected the nutrition side of preparation.
By the way agad, great choice of the music played by Taimanov - you know, Francis Poulenc lived 1899-1963, so they could even know each other and you know... when you are classical pianist and you can play these pieces when they are "fresh", you are waiting for the newest hit by Poulenc or Shostakovich... Taimanov could even meet Rachmaninov or Prokofiev personally, what a time to live... I guess everything has its pros and cons.
The name of the writer in his interview is Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn (/ˌsoʊlʒəˈniːtsɪn). He was a great writer. He was an outspoken critic of the Soviet Union and communism and helped to raise global awareness of its Gulag forced labor camp system. In my opinion two of his greatest works are One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich (1962) and The Gulag Archipelago (1973). You can find the audio book of The Gulag Archipelago for free on TH-cam.
Every champion needs the right opponent before they can elevate to greatness... Very sad postscript, but also, what a chess story Mark Taimanov gave us.
If Taimanov were still alive, I'd feel like making a donation to him. Thank you Mark.
since starting following you on you tube I have became a much better player. thanks,keep up the good work. you are good at it too. Respect,
By the way, I can only recommend the book "The Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. It has nothing to do with chess, but anyone can learn a lot from it!
you really need to do this type of videos from time to time, with interviews after the game and stories.
Nice game. Respect to both. nice covering of the game too
He was actually a pretty decent pianist, thanks for mentioning that and posting links!
He was more than just "decent". There was a series put out by Philips/Steinway about 20 years ago called the Great Pianists of the 20th Century. It featured about 75 pianists. There were 100 two CD sets, but some pianists, like Horowitz and Rubinstein had 3 volumes, others had 2. So, Mark and his wife, Lyubov had a volume themselves. They are in very heady company, along with Rachmaninov, Bolet, Cortot, Gould and Michelangeli, indeed. Yes, he was more than just decent!
@@mungous1000 his playing frankly never grabbed me much, particularly when compared to Feinberg, Sofronitsky, Gilels, Ginsburg, etc.....
When I hear that Taimanov was a concert pianist, I think of the Fischer quote "I give 98 percent of my mental energy to chess. Others give only 2 percent." While Taimanov was practicing piano, Fischer was practicing destroying chess opponents.
Sol Jen it's kin!
A giant in the cold war romance. It means he was traitor because Alexander Soljenitzkin wrote a book called, One Day In The life of Ivan Denosovich Shukof. Sorry if the spelling's wrong.
This book was considered a pivotal moment when a talented writer goes whistleblower on the Gulag.
I always remember the first lines being about the ice on the inside of the window being three inches thick.
Soljenitzkin changed the world like few others.
These games rival most World Championship games. You could see how clearly Fischer was seeing the board and the positions. No wonder no one could beat him in this stretch, he was truly playing superhuman chess.
I am really looking forward to the series against Larsen, as I perceive him as one of the most arrogant chess players of history along with Botvinnik - don't know why this feeling, but it's there. Thank you for the excellent work, I really enjoy it :)
Fischer's obliteration of Larsen must have been especially sweet for him as Larsen told the world how he was going to explode the myth of Fischer's strength and wear him down before defeating him utterly. Taimanov behaved like a gentleman at every point of this match, as did Bobby, but Larsen started by shooting his mouth off and ended up shooting his foot off :-D
reads an essay about how Taimanov’s life was ruined after the game
“So, I hope you enjoyed that”
the details are incredible !
Unbelievable how the soviets treated Taimanov, this shows what a sick and evil system it was that more than 200 million people had to live in, with practcally no chance to escape...
Hi Agadmator, I have got addicted to watching chess and especially on your channel. While I am in awe for Fisher, I feel sorry about Taimanov especially after reading his and his coach's interview. However, considering that chess was like a religion in USSR and absolutely unheard of in USA, Fisher deserves all the credit for his genius. Next I want to see Fisher's match with I guess Larsen of Denmark, hope that's the correct name. Hope, you have covered that too in this channel. Lots of best wishes to you for running the channel nicely.
Solzhenitsin is actually a famous Nobel-prize winner russain writer. He has written books against the soviet regime. He even survived the gulag.
thanks for reading the passages after the game
The best part of this saga is how Tal was constantly explaining how equal the players were. It just seemed obvious that Fisher was the stronger player..and the games revealed that.
Listening to Taimanov's playing now... Increasing my vast piano knowledge.
Fischer' endgame is absolutely terrifying. What an absolute monster
this was really an outstanding video
I really love your videos mate. Could you look over Alekhine vs Rabinovich from 1918 in moscow please? would appreciate it. It's a wonderful game.
Congrats on your succes over youtube, you make a lot of chess fans happy everyday!!
This episode was amazing! Really interesting, though sad.
I wonder which piece Taimanov played on the piano after the match. Probably "Flight of the Bumblebee" or one of those "Etude" pieces by Chopin
Taimanov goes for taimanov variation 😂😂
Amazing that such a brutal score can arise out of such closely-fought games. In tennis terms this would be like winning two best-of-5 matches, 7:6 three times in each one :D
waiting for your streams, haven't seen quite a time😊😊.
P.S. great chess chess channel for yotubers, loving you from georgia
I'll go for Twitch partnership sokn so I'll stream more often
Very, very interesting ! Thanks. Very hard times for Mark taimanov and soviet chess...
Great job covering this match. Have to conclude after your coverage that Fischer was pretty much unstoppable at that point in his career. Were Fischer and Tal friends, do you know?
Comparing your first videos with the ones you now do, you seems to be more lively and happier doing the videos.
you are trolling us now at this point adjusting the sound in your video every time!
4:10 “castle artificially”
Great match, and very sad story behind
Sounds like Fischer almost beat Taimanov to death, literally!
Hey Agadmator, thank you for the analysis, I find your videos very interesting and productive!
Also, I have a question, what is your level of play? Expert? Master? I'm curious hahahaha. Keep doing the videos, they're great!
he was rated about 1800 to 2000 if im not mistaken
Enjoyed that so much. Can you tell a story or what!
hail taimanov. those were great attacking games
Taimanov's statement was heartbreaking. Did Fischer have anything to say about it?
Hello everyone and thank you for a wonderful channel. Who is Alexander Solzhenitsyn? He wrote the Gulag Archipelago, an autobiography exposing life in Soviet gulags.
these piano songs are incredible!!!!!
holy shit
Agad blundering the sound as usual