Why Bobby Fischer is Better than Modern Players!
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Fischer had no coach, no nutritionist, no MD, no sport psychologist, no dietician, no gf (Carlsen has all that & sponsors all over). All Fischer had was books he could afford to buy from the prize money he got, a couple decent clothes, a dubrovnik chess set, & a small chess set he reviewed moves before he slept. Also, his mom hated him. Their personalities crashed against each other. Fischer was the Rambo of chess. He destroyed the gov sponsored Soviet Chess Team, all by himself with no support at all.
Hes the divine american individual who represenrts freedom and self knowledge, who goes on to crush goliath wth a sling shot. Cool story
How do you know his mother hated him .
His mother did not hate him? She did everything she could to support his career? Have you ever read his biography?
his mom and him were very close
and he got a lot of the books for free
He wasn't training by himself, he had many adult mentors throughout his life and he spent years playing at chess clubs against adults
"I like it when I crush a man's ego."
-Bobby Fisher
Bro - literally happened to him🤭casually fleeing what is supposed to be the law?!?
That’s probably why he let Larson queen the pawn, making him think he had a chance, then crushing his ego once again!
i like it too. at least he's being honest
In the end he crushed his own ego. He was burned out before he was 30, and couldn't continue.
Wow that’s so cooooolllll
Something else that's often forgotten is that Fischer played in the era of adjournments. He would be in his hotel alone, analyzing, meanwhile the other 8 Soviet grandmasters in the tournament would be collaborating on the overnight analysis of Fischer' s game.😮
He did have a second, but, Yes, he played against the Soviet Chess Army.
Yeah Fischer was up against an entire system. Not just one opponent. Kids today are clueless regarding this.
@@davidgothard3055 you are just an old fischer fanboy. magnus is miles ahead of fischer
@@djdjdjwjhehdi In your head. Not in reality. Carlsen fanboys eat recency bias for breakfast, dinner, tea and supper .. then cuddle it close in bed at night.
William Lombardy was with sometimes, not most of the time.
The fact that Bobby was nearly 2800 with only books and magazines. I love the pre-cpu era because it showed true strength. Not saying players aren't great today.
yes that's exactly what you said :)
@@realplonk laern to raed
Actually if you look at Fuschers results AND used the same standard of publishing monthly the ELO ratings... Fischer achieved 2895.
No internet
No 2nds
Chessmetrics (?) has done a definitive study on this..
Fischer Ruy Lopez results are unmatched.
He was ~ 74% win rate..
Versus ~60s % today
@@lesmartin7163 hi Les, crazy numbers, can you link the study please? Thanks :)
@@realplonk he didnt
I played Bobby in a 20-board simul three months before his Spassky match. He had just steamrolled Taimanov, Larsen, and Petrosian. He steamrolled the twenty of us in 42 minutes. He was a chess hurricane.
What an honor to read your comment. You must have played some great Chess yourself. Thank you!
Ive not seen that simul published anywhere, but I can believe the result you claim.
I resigned for white from my couch. I couldn't take the pressure.
lol
Yes, Bobby was a "Psychic Murderer" and said he crushed his opponent's ego. A Chess Maniac on a Mission the like of which may never be seen again, including the 145 point ELO rating he held above the World's #2 after he became World Champion.
125 classical streak of carlsen
@@djdjdjwjhehdiunbeaten
It contains draws
Many
83 draws
42 wins
@@ZDTF irrelevant
@@djdjdjwjhehdi Carlsen never won 20 games in a row against the best players in the world as Fischer did in 1971/72
Morphy had an estimated elo gap of minimum 300 elo…
Just saying
Bro got so bored of chess he made his own variation of chess which is still played at top level till this day
He also introduced the incremental clock I think, which is now used.
@@innosantoyeah he did
What's is own variation U talking about ?
@@johnbrooks6243It was originally called Fischer Random and there was a great Invitational called GOAT earlier this month which included many of the top players in the world who all played Fischer Random. Magnus Carlsen won the tournament. He beat Gukesh after the Candidates.
@@johnbrooks6243 It's Fischer Random chess, aka chess 960. It's when all pieces are randomly shuffled except for the pawns. This is done to eliminate the memorized openings and give room for skill and creativity.
Imo, Fisher Random Chess is THE BEST chess variant.
allowing larsen to make a queen at the end was beautiful
*FISCHER* in my opinion was the greatest player ever.
What a freaking insane game that was.
Beating Larsen, Taimanov both 6-0 and then Iron Tigran Petrosian 6.5-2.5 was a truly Herculean show of chess strength just to progress to the World Championship against Spassky. Such a task will never be repeated in the world of chess.
I'm sure that if Fide accepted his conditions to a match against Karpov who was challenger, Karpov would have been defeated, but that is another subject of conversation.
It's a shame that USA went against him after the rematch against Spassky in 1992 for playing in Yugoslavia.
carlsen is better
@@djdjdjwjhehdi lolz. Recall what Kasparov said about better. It's not how much better you are in absolute terms (and Carlsen is probably the best ever in absolute terms) but how much better you are from your contemporaries. Is Carlsen that much better than Caruana, as Fischer was from his contemporaries? That's the debate.
@@djdjdjwjhehdiDid you just misunderstood the history of the game? Fischer did more contribution and remarkable history on the game compare to Carlsen. My advice to you is to get a life and stop worshipping on carlsen
@@raylopez99 that is not what he said
@@djdjdjwjhehdi It is. But feel free to cite your sources.
A very nice example of Fischer’s cold blooded approach and the confidence he had in both his ability to calculate and his intuitive ability to assess positions .
without engines or social media and a masterful mind all of his own, there's absolutely no doubt Bobby Fisher is the greatest of all time... I really enjoy your style to analyze chess games and I hope your channel continues to grow... Greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽
strongest player of all time is magnus
I agree. No engines and did his own analysis without a team behind him. The Greatest!!!
@@19037vinny stop bringing this engine argument.every player has access to engine nowadays but magnus is still better than these players
@@djdjdjwjhehdi What? Have you misunderstood what I was on about? Fischer didn't need computers to become great. All those after him did.
@@19037vinny "Fischer didn't need computers to become great. All those after him did."
Whatt?? It's because everyone is using computers to prepare nowadays. It's because computers can analyze a line in seconds which would take humans hours or even days to analyzed. If we were able to teleport a super GM with all the computer prep of today back in 1972, he would run circles around Fischer.
Bobby's chess intuition reigns supreme. If he had 55% of the coaching, eidetic memory & access to computers that Magnus possesses he would be the GOAT. That is why Magnus is Gretzky, Kasparov is Orr & Bobby is Lemieux. Like Mario had Bobby gone further they both likely would have surpassed the greats.
Mikhail Tal became the youngest world champion at the age of 23, if Tal would take care of his health and lifestyle, prepare for the tournament like other players and access to computer like modern players Tal would be the GOD of chess.
Don't forget bro chess is a sport and the Mikhail Tal had given the level of joy to audience it's unbelievable.
Tal was far ahead of his time and even sometimes the Stockfish failed to catch the brilliance of Tal.
So... that would make Morphy into Cyclone Taylor?
@@davidanderson_surrey_bc , never heard of either of these two, reading more about them now, thanks.
...Nice hockey comparisons! I feel like Magnus has to be more like a McDavid+Makar though?
To beat Petrosian with that margin in a match is unbelieveable. 😮
Without a doubt!
Right, Petrosian was a great defensive player and hard to beat. The only reason he was no longer world champion was because he had been deposed by Spassky who was widely regarded as the greatest player of all time up to then. When Fischer finally made it to the championship, he actually had the confidence to forfeit one of his games against Spassky in one of his temperamental moments and still went on to win the match convincingly.
Impressive, yes, unbelievable, no. Short matches lend themselves to extreme results, just because anyone who falls behind has to try to make it back quickly and take unjustified risks. Most Candidates Matches at that time were decided by 3 or 4 points.
That a7 allowing white to Queen conveys Fischer's character! Since his quote is "Play the board, not the man", he played the move for artistic reasons. Excellent presentation. Thanks.
thanks John for your continued exhibition of these classic games. I'm preparing for a tournament myself, and I've been studying Fischer's lines against the French defense since it gives me so much trouble. thanks a lot for the focus on structures here, because once your ELO gets over 2000 or so, you really need to understand when and how to transform your structure, simplify, how to best convert a winning advantage. I think Lasker said something like, the hardest game to win is a won game. Time is running, nerves are frayed, and it's easy to blunder under those conditions. My favorite chess book is Bronstein's "Zurich International Tournament, 1953. Taught me so much more about how to think about and evaluate chess positions. :)
I LIKE so much your historical comments! Thanks. Very informative.
I love your breakdowns. Much faster paced than other channels.
I think Fischer achieved a streak of 19 wins against Great Masters, a record never goten anymore.
20? 7+6+6+1
@@tudorm6838 what's that all about?
Are you sure?
Fischer won his last seven games at the 1970 Palma de Mallorca Interzonal, then swept Mark Taimanov 6-0 in the quarterfinals and Bent Larsen by the same score in the semifinals of the Candidates matches. In the final match against former World Champion Tigran Petrosian, Fischer won the first game but lost the second. That includes a one-move game against Panno, which resigned as a protest. Technically is 20-0, but real games 19-0.
I'd say officially 20. Presuming the Panno game started officially, if so then it's 20.
ChessDawg, you are the most pleasant, clear, and inspiring chess commentator out there. Please keep it up!
Thank you for showing and analyzing this amazing classic game. Please keep up the good work - you are the best! Regards from Scandinavia
Thank you for excellent commentary and analysis. You are a wonderful teacher!!!😇
That was intense, all the way to the last second.
I enjoyed that. The pace of commentary is very nice.
the bishop-pawn cordination in the endgame was beautiful
Never confuse the player and the man. He was the Morphy of early 1970s. Candidates performance was remarkable. Then to forfeit to the second match in World Championship. One has to admire Boris for insisting on playing…
Spassky was a good dude.. Nice guy from what I've read.
Who cares about boris playing, he didnt even work hard, and on many occasions chose to play his own wild stuff over geller's reco
He's(Fischer) the only reason to why I studied and loved chess in my early grade sch yrs in the mid 70s... Chess became so popular worldwide, just because of him beating the then Soviet champion, Boris Spassky.. Back in those days, it's almost impossible doing that to them... And incidentally, other Soviet grandmasters fell to him at the candidates' matches leading to him playing for the world title against Spassky...
That's why, he was and still the greatest chess player of all time. Single-handedly demolishing the entire Soviet chess machinery!
Same here!
Awesome game by Fischer !!1 Excellent analysis & background info !!
The Fischer era was when I learned to play. As a beginner it was so hard to make sense of many of the moves like a4 in this French. Good explanations were hard to find. Thank you for your analysis.
Agreed. What helped me back in the day was the RHM book "The French Defense" by Gligoric and Ullman. Wow! Got me into the Poison Pawn variation at school (it was in fashion at the time.)
Yes, I taught myself to play from books when I was a teenager and a I still remember wracking may brain for the longest time trying to figure out the reasoning behind some grandmaster moves.
Great video mate - keep it up!
Bobby Fischer is the G.O.A.T. Period. His 2,850 ELO remains unmatched for 2 reasons. First, because there has been huge ELO inflation for the past 30 years. Secondly, because the *gap* between him and the number #2 player is the biggest ever.
Fischer at his best combined the razor-sharp tactical decision-making of 1985 Karpov with the creativity of Alekhine and the sheer strategic brilliance of Capablanca. I am convinced that, if Fischer hadn't broken down mentally and continued playing, he would have reached a 3,500 ELO eventually, .
Wasn't it 2750 ? Number 7 sticks in my mind for some reason. Not sure if it ends in 50.
Fantastic game and fantastic video - thank you!
I like the way you explained everything. Thank you
Good job
Always nice to see other Fischer fans
Today's grandmasters train with chess engines, memorizing sequences of side variants and copying the engine's suggestions. The human factor is playing less and less here, if you want to be great, play like a computer.
Basically why Bobby quit, wasn't it? It't not "fun" anymore, when the magic is gone. Fischers chess was appreciation. Todays chess is regurgitation.
Bobby was the man, though it cost him his health. Thank you for showing us “ the greatest achievement in chess history “. Always a pleasure taking one of your tours of the chess board.
This was a great rundown. It felt like watching a segment on ESPN.
Nicely done!
thanks for nice analysis and the excellent game choice.
Bobby won the Cold War single handed. He is the goat.
I agree with you and the first game with Larsen in the candidates is a great example of Fischer’s incredible calculating abilities.
Fischer was dominant for too short a time, because of his psychological fragility. At his best, would he have dominated Kasparov or Carlsen at their best? Maybe, maybe not. But when you take everything into account, including mental strength, there is no way Fischer was better.
The way Fischer plays it's like he is teaching chess to an audience on how to beat your opponent.
Another great presentation by ChessDawg!
That was amazing. I stopped at one point to see if I would figure out what Fisher was going to do. And I was wrong.
This is one of my favorite games from Bobby, and it really highlights his positional understanding and powers of calculation.
Surely, no player today would be able to easily brush aside the genius Fischer. However, I do think we can be a little biased towards past players, because we tend to only be familiar with their greatest games.
Probably the best game presentation ive seen
Hi ChessDawg. Can you tell me what the candidates rules were, for the games in 1971? E.g. how many moves in what time frame? how many games/wins required against each opponent? how many opponents a candidate needed to beat, to be the official challenger for the world title?
the game you presented was amazing. i thought there were moments fischer had lost! he was a magician to get out of this game! how would larsen have felt throughout the match? larsen was probably wondering how he didn't win in those latter stages?
Love watching these old school games.
Bobbys my fave player...only player i ever took notice of.
Im 52.
Playing since i was 5
Thank you for your great channel where your always pick excellent games, given succinct but clear analysis and offer nice history of games, tournaments, and players. I love your title here and agree with you completely...and apparently you have a number of subscribers/commenters that agree...that Fischer was better than current grandmasters, even the exceptional ones. I know that Karpov, Kasparov, Carlsen, and some others are phenomenal players and have had amazing accomplishments, but as others on here note, Fischer not only played phenomenally well, but he did it before computers, when there wasn't a lot of depth to US chess, and when the Soviets all worked together to control the world championship and to dominate other major tournaments. As someone noted, at adjurnment, Fischer was basically alone--perhaps with one "second", as with Fr. William Lombardy in Reykjavik in '72--whereas the Soviets had many top grandmasters, several of them former world champions, helping analyze positions and to prepare for future rounds. Futhermore, the US has, sadly, never valued chess consistently (only after Fischer won in '72 and it was a "fad" to many for a few years), and Fischer learned the game from his sister, Joan, and was largely self-taught, working tirelessly for years (including dropping out of high school to singlemindedly pursue chess) and without any significant sponsorship. Yet, virtually alone, he won (with his first championship at age 14) a still-unparalleled eight US Open Chess Championships losing only three games in all eight and winning in 1964 by 11-0 (also still unparalleled); beating Taimanov and then Larsen, each 6-0 in the '71 Candidates; was getting over a respiratory illness when he sealed his challenger spot against Spassky by beating Petrosian 6 and 1/2 to 2 and 1/2 in Buenos Aires; handily beat Spassky by 12 and 1/2 to 8 and 1/2 to be the first official American world champion, even after having lost game 2 by forfeit when he refused to appear; and then after living in significant isolation for 20 years and playing no tournaments during that time, he came out of retirement in 1992 to again play Spassky, beating him 10-5, with 15 draws. In my opinion, Fischer was better--perhaps significantly so--than all modern grandmasters.
And, being a beacon for US chess and a national hero, how the US government treated him in 1992, when he defied the ridiculous US sports sanctions against Yugoslavia (especially considering that humanitarian, art, educational, sports, and cultural exceptions have always been made even with travel to Cuba) and played Spassky there (and the US DOJ issued an arrest warrant, even coercing Japan to jail him for a while), was immoral and disgraceful. Thank goodness the Icelandic Althing (parliament) quickly granted him asylum and citizenship, and he was able to live out his life in a wonderful country amongst wonderful people that valued and loved him, as opposed to his birth country which betrayed him.
I agree. As people have said, there were no personal computers back then, no internet, no AI, no chess engines, just chess books and articles. And he beat the entire Soviet machine. By himself. That will never be duplicated.
I remember reading Spassky had the 6 best?? Soviet GM's working with him and Fischer had an IM, a bunch of comic books and a 1,000 of Spassky's games to study....something like that
That was amazing!!
Bobby Fischer was not better than the other big two.... but given time... he likely would've been the greatest ever. I wish we would've got to see it.
The craziest thing about this game is Fischer's insight from 23. Rxe5 to (at least) his 28th. The most natural move (to a hack like me) is preventing mate and saving Q by 28. Qc5. But back around move 23 Fischer must have seen this move leaves him exchange down in worse position and had therefore to play 28. Bc5! leading to great piece play, cozy K, and speedy pawns. The depth and subtlety of his calculation is amazing.
I was just thinking about him today. What an amazing game!
The entire game felt like a rollercoaster! Fischer was loving risky business and was always treading on thin ice. It was mind-boggling to play pawn a7 at the end instead of Be3, demonstrating that he can win even if he lets black promote his c pawn into a queen with a check! Crazy!
What a flex letting him have his queen with check at the end lol
Wonderful commentary. It’s been 25 years since I last reviewed this masterpiece!
Good video.👍
and a prophet , memorization is not chess, 960chess is the cure for chess engines
he had talent and loved chess more than anything else he worked hard he was one of a kind there won't be another for sure
That ending is insane.
awesome, thanks
bro by the way I saw other analyses of this game from different people and they all said Larsen resigned here 12:10 like what the heck? what's your source? where can I find this game? did these people got the analyses wrong for some reason?
BTW, I once read that Larsen chose to play the French in this game specifically because it was thought that the closed pawn structure in the French was harder for Bobby to play against than the more open games.
The game ended after 41. Bb6 but it is always good to see the why in full
After he beat Petrosian his live rating was 2805. The next highest rating was Spassky at 2670. Karpov was 2650. Without question the strongest player ever.
after being defeated by Bobby Fischer , Tigran Petrocian said he was sure that Fischer shall defeat Boris Spasky .🔥
That really was magical
10:22 hehe "these effin g pawns!" sounded like you were cursing but censoring yourself. hehehe Wow, it looked grim for Bobby when the two rooks and queen were lined up. Those defense moves did seem like miracles. If one piece was off one square those wouldn't have been available.
Excelent explanation! Thank you Master por revealing the greatness of Bobby Fischer!!!
The chess engines and resources available today vs what Fischer had to work with is night and day.
Fischer is the only Grandmaster who invented a NEW Chess - Fischer Random Chess or Chess 960 !!! That was a step beyond the reality !
Why does black move twice (after bishop to b4)?
excellent analysis one of my favourite games ever
Fischer's win rate on his run to the World Championship was incredible. High level chess back then was much more drawish than it is today, so he was more than one step ahead of his opponents back then. Unfortunately he was done after the 72 match.
This was The Game of the Century. Do not forget that Spassky won six Candidate Matches in the 60's against better players than Fischer faced.
I like your comment. I have often felt that Fischer dodged the 1965 and 1968 Candidates because Spassky was then in his prime. I feel that a Fischer Spassky match in 1965 or 1968 (maybe both) would have been much more interesting than their 1972 match.
@@richalcat66 Agree I do. It is too bad Bobby did not face excellent players as often as would have if he had been a Soviet. Amazing how Spassky altered his style to make it more difficult for each opponent in those six Candidate Matches. They outta bring them matches back as it at least gives the challenger match experience before the Title Match.
I remember it well. Saw every game on TV, then after, NYC Mayor Lindsey gave Bobby a ticker tape parade down B'way. I met RJF, then we all watched him crush the Manhattan Chess Club's best in blitz: Score 21.5 out of 22. RJF: The all-time greatest!
Wow that is amazing you were there.
@@rodbenson5879 Wouldn't have missed it for anything!...the only drawback now: Am age 79. Wish you'd seen it. Thanks for the reply. Keep playin'...the game of Kings & children!
sorry but the amazon links didn't work and you didn't mention books names .
What I adore most of all is the sheer beauty of Fischer’s games. There is something quite poetic about them and often frighteningly nerve wracking.
What a badass! Allowing the opponent a position where there was “apparently” a mate in 1, allowing the opponent’s pawn to Queen and proving that it can’t do shit, God damm!
I feel really good for finding queen c6 then bishop c5 on my own at 8:40
Before this match started, Larsen's first name was Straight.
Thanks ❤
Thanks!
Thank you very much.
How’d you do this? I gave from PayPal but this seems easier?
@@chessdawgOthers have probably mentioned it, but Fisher didn't have a personal computer to play on. There's no comparison between today's players & Fisher, just based on that alone.
Nice video
Stunning game! Tamed the great Dane!
Fisher would get owned by Magnus. Theory has come a long way since his day.
Fisher and Carlson both have an IQ of around 180 - super genius.
Carlson's modern opening knowledge would always leave Fisher with a bad middle game.
carlsen is only 28 points above his closest competition. so while his memory is impressive, the engines have leveled the playing field
I agree with everything you said if instead it was about Morphy.
heavy title! interesting hypofyse/hypophysis feck im dyslexic cant write or find the synonym synopsis hypnosis is this is! :D cool video and fire
Yo Dawg!! Another excellent analysis and presentation. Keep it up, your style is spot-on for an old wood pusher like me. I do think bobby was the best (by test!?) but it is just one old fool's opinion. Comparing matches between the greatest players of different generations is impossible of course, it can't be done for any sport (Bjorn Borg vs Rafa on clay?! Roger vs McEnroe on hardcourt, the Joker vs Sampras at Wimbledon? etc.) It all leads to opinions and no end of arguments. Remember the famous "Computer Match" between Ali and Rocky Marciano? Huge controversy and even a lawsuit I think brought by Ali for the "loss"! So more arguing and no end of complaining. But how about this: Unlike all the other sports perhaps chess and chess alone has an arbiter, a truly impartial referee that can give us a judgement that is way better than opinion-bickering. How about if someone with the proper skills and access does the following evaluation: Pick the top 10 best chess players of all time (the exact list and exact rankings will vary a little of course but for sure the very best players ever will be somewhere on the list. Then choose say 50 games from each IN THEIR PRIME and let Stockfish or Alpha Zero evaluate their best games and see what their average percent accuracy turns out to be! Yeah it would take some work but the engines would do the heavy lifting faily quickly and the result would be very interesting. I can't do it; Dawg you keep doing what you are doing because it is great! Maybe some young buck techno-wizard will pick up the sword and charge ahead and show us the true GOAT!
Excellent video, man. Fischer is the goat, for sure.
More Bobby!
Add the score and taken pieces to your board
I've read quite a few of Dvoretsky's books and he had a high opinion of Fischer's games. Dvoretsky knew what he was talking about.
Great game and video, though I'm not sure you can really compare fischer, or any past player, with modern players. I think if he grew up with engines he'd still likely be the best player but I'm guessing he wouldn't be as insanely dominant now as he was then. The field is much stronger and more competitive now.
Bobby used to say, “1. PK4 and black is lost.”
I think this game shows how good Larsen was just as well as Fischer. He made Bobby sweat and made him find only moves
Fischer was a genius man. If his reign started now than back then he would be even more deadly and unbeatable now than ever with all the computer help you can gain now and days. He’s easily at Carlsen’s level of skill