I got fronted by a guard in a narrow, dark Glasgow alley who asked me what I was doing. When I told him there was some lovely abstract corrosion on the skips, he looked at me like I was mental and wandered off without another word 😂
"Just walk away, it's not worth it." Absolutely golden. I was taking photos of historic homes in a city close to where I live. The homeowner came out and was like the rude security guard you described. I had already taken 2-3 photos, so I just walked away, even though I am confident I had a legal right to take the photos.
I totally agree with you I walk around my local city, and once I had a site agent ask me why was I taking picture's of his site, I told him I'm taking picture for a history book through the lens of my camera, of all the developments in the area, his words Wow what a great idea, I then asked him if he had any problems with adding his site to my book, he said none at all , gave me a hi-vis & hard hat showing me around his site, I took lot's of pictures, & in about 3 years when it's finished I'll send him a copy of the small book, and that the only time I've been stopped, never by the public.
I've come across a few street photographers on youtube who also recommend having business cards ready, since this lends a bit of credibility. Of course, I imagine also having your website, social media etc on this business card is extra useful for actual confirmation. More importantly, personally, it would save me from having to rattle off all this information when I'm perhaps already a bit nervous about being approached or confronted. I can see it being practical when going abroad, since not everyone is fluent in English or might have trouble with your accent, but almost anyone can read off a web address and check it out themselves.
This absolutely works, most of the time. It's also great if you spot somebody interesting and you want to take a picture of them - I give them my card and they rarely say no.
I especially liked your views on "ethics" - this quote comes to mind: “If you take a picture of a human that does not make him noble, there is no reason to take this picture. That is my way of seeing things." Sebastiao Salgado
@@NIKONGUY1960 so “capturing a moment” takes precedence over the people you might show in a poor or embarrassing light? What about how they feel about your “moment?” Or don’t they matter?
@@Edwin1947D Not exactly sure how nikonguy meant his answer but Imo not making somebody look noble does not necessarily mean that you have to show them in a bad light. For me there is a big difference between capturing a moment and making somebody look bad. You really shouldn't go around shooting people who are down on their luck or shoot them only because they look "funny" (looking at you Bruce Gilden) but there is also nothing noble about some random stranger walking down a street while being in the perfect position for you composition or people just going about their day or doing other out-of-the-ordinary activities. Candid moments aren t just divided between funny/embarassing and noble. So basically don't take photos that make people look bad or profit from them being in a shitty situation. If you really want to shoot people in bad situation you should always ask for consent and if possible offer some help in return. If you can t do that, don t take the photo.
A couple of things to add here. If you’re stopped by a security guard who says you’re on private property (and it wasn’t obvious, ie no signage) you’re quite within your rights to point this out, and say that if photography isn’t allowed in the area there should be signs. If they get bolshy and tell you to leave, you must leave. Often, in London at least, the private property only extends to the edge of the pavement, in which case just step off the kerb into the road (assuming you can do so safely) which is usually public land. You can then take as many shots as you like and the security guard can’t do a thing. If I think the guard is trying to pull a fast one, I’ll ask for them to show me the proof, their direct authority from the landowner to prevent photography, or local bylaw that prohibits photography. This usually shuts them up, because they can’t, but if they’ve said you’re on private property and ask you to leave, as I said before, you must leave. Security guards also aren’t allowed to touch you, as that’s assault and you’d be within your rights to call the Police, and they also have no right to tell you to delete any pictures. The same goes for the Police here, as any photo could form evidence. If a Police officer demands you delete a photo you should refuse on these grounds. Also, a Police officer may not see any of the shots you’ve taken as that requires a search warrant, which they won’t have. On the whole, the Police are getting better with photographers, but there are still some who aren’t familiar with the laws surrounding photographers, so make sure you’re aware of your rights, and stand your ground. Overall, in the UK, if you’re in a public place there are no restrictions on taking photos, and no one has any expectation of privacy if they’re in a public place. One thing you might need to be aware of is some buildings, places, or structures may have copyright limitations, which means you cannot publish an image of whatever it is for your personal financial gain, as it would infringe the copyright of the owner. The best example of this is the Eiffel Tower in Paris, where the night time light show has a copyright protection. These are very rare though, so don’t worry too much about them.
cant speak for the uk but walking in the roadway or standing in the roadway may get you a ticket here. which is why, here in the usa, there is a "easement" both sides of every road for foot traffic. which varies based on the need (highways require enough easement for a car, truck or semi to safely pull off or have turnouts) but minimum there is a "imaginary" sidewalk both sides of a road. which is public and for use by the public. even if a its a "sidewalk storefront" they have to honor the sidewalk laws. its public.
@@FlatWaterFilms oh yes indeed very true depending on who you watch it can be very enlightening. i dont know about you but i consider those 1a audits to be more of the "frontlines" in comparison to the "street photography" scene due to the level of determination to photograph something or someone.
I found your channel just today, I skimmed through your videos and each of them looked so so informative and interesting. I can't wait to binge watch your videos so I can grasp new things. Your videos are to the point and I love your pov videos. There aren't many channels like these across youtube, thankyou and I hope you continue doing what you love
Roman I am in NYC ,and we can shoot in public places legally. I have been stopped in the mall once by a 'guard' who told me I cannot take pictures inside the mall. Myt camera was strapped to me on my hip and was off, not in my hands. I told him I am not holding it, you did not see me holding it, and that makes no damn sense because most phones/ tablets have cameras, which people freely use inside. I did him a FAVOR even responding to him because I don't have to, and he has no right to detain me, question me, nor touch me. Outside in the public you cannot detain me, cannot touch me, and I do NOT have to explain anything to you. If you touch me, scream at me, yell at me, l threaten me, I have the same rights to protect myself and my gear as I do if you were trying to rob me. That means you can have an OPINION, yet your opinion can bring swift and harsh consequences, if you violate my space .I am not saying what other people will do, yet I am not that guy to debate, argue, take threats, nor have my day interrupted, and I do not have to. For example, if you come to me asking about why i am taking pictures, I do not have to even answer you..PERIOD...I have had TH-cam creators who have threatened me just because I not only did not agree, I disproved their nonsense. I told ALL of them, whenever you are ready, feel free to make those threats a reality with the same results..NOTHING..See the real issue is, people now tend to think they can be offended by anything and that we have to care. People want you to call them something because it's in their delusional minds, and that they can just be intrusive. It's my camera, I own it, and I shoot with my big ole camera everyone can see. I am not some punk nor creepy in the bushes, hiding like some perv, and I respect people's cultures. I do not go to weddings not funerals and shoot without permission, and I respond to people who speak to me respectfully. If you bring aggression, you will get horrible and possibly abnormal results, online and off.
Great advice Roman, Being nice goes a long way. A few weeks ago I was on private property with permission and a friend of the owner happened to drive by. As he pulled up I immediately and calmly walked out to meet him. Introduced myself and after a quick phone call all was good. I have also found it helpful that if you see a security guard don't try to quickly disappear but stay in the area or even approach them first.
Great video, great advice. In all my many years of photographing in the streets of big cities, the number of "bad encounters" I've had I can count on one hand. What I' have found helps, though, is carrying some business cards with me. I don't actually have a real photography business. I don't use the card to advertise myself, that is, but simply to show people that I am a "photographer." I find that handing someone my simple little business card with my photography website listed on it helps me look legitimate and helps calm people down... and it might even help more people become aware of my photography!
You seem like a wonderful human being. I know this contributes to a beautiful vision of the world, and that is reflected in your incredible images. Thank you for helping me to hopefully be the same in that regard. Your videos are truly a gift to humanity, and photography! Thanks again.
One other point that comes up often, is that there's a direct correlation between the size of your camera gear (particularly lens) and the potential for confrontation. Small unobtrusive kit is much less threatening or even unnoticable when it's pointed at someone.
Hi Roman. I wanted to let you know that I've really been enjoying your videos since I discovered them a few weeks ago and sincerely appreciate everything you put into producing them. I do feel, however, that I need to take the time here to strongly disagree with the sentiment you're expressing re: Ethics. I understand that what you're saying is the exact sort of thing that will get most people to agree with you without much thought, but I feel that photographers in general and anyone who is a sincere artist should be skeptical of these views. There are many examples of works from great street photographers that don't paint their subjects in the best light. Street photography is documentary photography, not glamor, not portrait photography. There are many examples in Cartier-Bresson's work of people sleeping with their mouths open, laying in the street, engaged in questionable activities, etc. and very many of those are exceptionally good works of art. I would encourage anyone reading to look up Diane Arbus' contact sheet for Child with a Toy Hand Grenade (one of my personal all-time favorite photographs). Looking at it, it's plain to see that she could've chosen a photo of the boy that painted him in a much better light. Instead she chose one in which his face and body are contorted and freakish. The subject of that photograph was later angry with Arbus for portraying him the way she did. Later in life he supposedly came to appreciate the photo however. The sentiment that you're conveying in your Ethics section here is simply a reflection of current social mores. And while I would never advocate for being disrespectful to other people, there is a certain timidness in this approach that will be reflected in one's photos. In the U.S., taking photos in *public* is absolutely protected under the first amendment and anyone who says otherwise is ill-informed. Anyone who is prevented from photographing in a public space by law enforcement should file a formal complaint. Photography is hard, especially street photography where you make yourself a target for anyone and everyone. I myself have been assaulted on two separate occasions, hassled by security, yelled at by pedestrians and even-point blank accused of pedophilia by the police, all for doing nothing more than photographing in public. You can't educate everyone you pass by in the street about the importance of artistic expression in free societies. You can't give them all a history lesson in the artform of photography. But what you can do is consistently assert your right to exist and practice your art regardless of people's philistinism. If we don't do that, if we let social mores drift too far into paying lip service to respecting people's "privacy" in a world where every street corner, every store, every car and every cop's body has a camera attached to it, then we risk people becoming more ignorant, more intolerant and more afraid of a camera with a warm human face behind it. Sorry for the rant, I just feel like it's important though. I'm looking forward to enjoying more of your excellent videos and photographs.
Thanks, really sound advice. I'm just starting out and I am retired so don't use social media, looks like maybe that should change. Love your work and enjoying your videos.
I live in Greece and people here are not very familiar with the concept of street photography, so I kind of avoid taking many pictures with people…this video is very helpful, thank you Roman🤙
I live in Athens, and I think It is never too late for anyone to get familiar with something so interesting and valuable as street photography. Of course, we'd better be discreet with the way we take our pictures, but not afraid.
Great stuff Roman, Although I'm late to the party I quite agree with your approach. While I have no where near your level of street photography experience I have encountered reactions both negative and positive. People have their own reasons for their behaviour and I can only endeavor to control my own. I always attempt to remain positive and optimistic. When in a public area and when approached rudely by those in a position of authority or responsibility I acknowledge their concerns and comply with their requests, but in as friendly a manner as possible I also remind them of the existing laws. 😇
Great stuff Roman. Particularly like the idea of you sharing the best areas and times of day for shooting. Really helps for those of us that only get limited time in London. My main problem when shooting in a city is people stopping and waiting for me to take a picture so they don't walk in front of the camera. Nine times out of ten I want them to walk in front, either to be the subject or to be a blurry foreground. Have you found a way to help with this?
The world has changed. In the days of Robert Capa (1940s and 50s) a person on the street with a camera was not viewed as some kind of threat. Today, the general attitudes have changed and street photography is more likely to result in a confrontation. When you say you are not doing anything wrong, it is true what you are doing is probably not illegal (be careful in France where the rules are not the same), but wrong from a cultural perspective is very different. I think it is approaching the point where street photographer is viewed with such suspicion that it could be called "wrong" in many societies.
The funny thing is that most everyone has a camera in their hand (the cell phone) who are talking photos all the time, we’re more obvious because our cameras are bigger
Had fun at a Juvenile Corrections site, old stone buildings. Think I had to deal with three different staff. They were unable to chase me away. I went about my business, kept telling them I would not take any pictures of the inmates, nor the fenced in areas. Got my shots, knew what I was in for, there was nothing they could do. One manager wanted to follow me around, I said go right ahead. Where I was was publicly accessible.
I've had a lot of experience photographing canary wharf. Their policy (on their website) is that its perfectly ok even with a tripod as long as you don't photograph entrances with identifiable people coming in or out. Its a pity that some of their security are unaware of this. I've encountered security guars on several occasions - all bar one with no problems. The one problem I had was with a member of building security coming out and telling me to stop. I might have done except that someone from the same building had come out earlier and had no problem so I stood my ground. When he contacted his colleague it was all sorted. Moral of the story is - if you are on private ground find out what you can or can't do.
As I'm a cheapskate and live in south London down near Croydon, I like taking the 75 bus to just south of Greenwich. Then walking up through Greenwich and under the Thames to the north bank. Then keep walking miles west along the north bank until I'm at the Tate Britain, ready to cross to the south side of the Thames where a nice 196 bus is waiting to take me home. A lovely long walk for the price of two cheap bus fares, and on the bus I listen to my favourite podcasts :)
Thank you, Roman! There is a saying of the german poet Kurt Tucholsky related to ordinary people with little power because of their job and I try to translate / interpret it: „It is a pain to stand in front of a counter, but an ideal to sit behind one“. Again, great video!
Thanks for another great video, Roman. Do you have any female photographer friends? Do they get stopped more or less often, and do they react similarly to your suggestions here? Thanks!
If you haven't already done so, it might be useful to make a follow up video about how to take street photography photos while remaining largely unnoticed. Those make for the best images, in most cases, IMO.
Being stopped, and/or questioned by members of the public, or security, has NEVER bothered me. I regularly keep myself updated on the law and carry copies of relevant information with me but I am always happy to speak politely with everyone. I have never had an issue and after chatting, I have NEVER been asked to delete a picture. I do always offer to send a copy of the picture to them and that seems to help. I agree with you, Roman, you should never be afraid to go out. Oh, and I live in London and go out almost every weekend taking pictures. I don't ask people for their email addresses in case it comes across as a bit dodgy. Instead, I offer them a card with MY email details and say that if they want a copy of the phot they can call me and i will send one. That way, I think they will feel more at ease. Let's face it, most of us DON'T like giving out our details to a stranger.
Hi Roman love your work and was interested in your video. Niue a jock question I’ve also just started street photography but wanted to know how I can get sponsors do you have any suggestions?
Always learn more than I thought I would Roman, thank you. Particularly liked the bit about ethics, and also the details about whether security guards or the police can touch you or your camera.
Something I can never square up is how someone with an actual camera is immediately stopped and questioned when the world is full of people with mobile phones that are used constantly in nearly every scenario and location you can think of. I would guarantee a security guard stops none of them. Have a camera in your hands though....
I have found that some people regard any camera with a detachable lens as a "professional" camera and therefore think you're going to make money from your photos, while cell phones are, well, only cell phones. With phones getting better and better, and DSLRs more within reach of the average person, this really isn't a reliable indicator, but the problem is so often what people think they know.
Great video! I‘m always blown away how sharp and perfect your photos in low light get. I‘m trying to replicate this on my Lumix gh5 and I didn‘t get it, yet. Still on my first bad 10.000 pictures I guess.
again it depends on the intention. I take photos for my own enjoyment and not to document history (although the later comes with the territory anyway). So with that in mind, I will do all I can to not upset others with my hobby. For those who’s sole purpose is to document history both good and bad, of course a different mindset applies
Another excellent video, Roman. Is Royal Victoria on the DLR line the nearest tube station you'd recommend to get closest to the Excel Marina? Thanks very much.
I like to have a go at street photography, but i am not sure i get it... I have just got back from Milan Italy and had my camera with me, i struggled a lot.. So i am asking as i don't actually get most of the photos i see on youtube and have no idea what your seeing or taking how would you like to do a collaboration with me a landscape photographer and see if we can do a video on the why?
Regarding being stopped by public, one weird thing is I've twice been stopped by people who were about 100 yards away in their car, among many other cars. They drive up to me, stop, and demand to know what I'm photo-ing. Both times it's been dudes in quite fast looking black cars, with trimmed beards looking and behaving a tiny bit gangsta. In one case they were still polite, but in the other case it was two guys acting like I had a lot of explaining to do. Odd. Are they dealing drugs or in stolen cars or something? I wonder. I just avoid getting too close in case they grab my gear. In Brixton I experienced similar friction from pedestrians and, in those cases, it was like they just felt I was on 'their patch' even though it was a public high street etc.
Hi Roman! Should I buy 50-140mm f2.8 or 33mm f1.4. I own a XT-200, should I buy the 33mm f1.4 and save money for a new camera, or should I buy the 50-140mm f2.8? I love shooting cars and I own a 35mm f2
Since you're shooting cars, you probably use a smaller aperture (higher F #) to get the details. So I'm thinking the 33mm 1.4 won't benefit you as much. Another camera or the 50-140mm could have more use.
This video is really interesting, just a few days ago I got stopped by a security guard, and it was embarrasing, a shame I didn't watch this video before!
I got stopped once, the mother of a family of 4 asked if was taking pics of them. I said yes and that I’m a street photographer. She just asked that I didn’t post the photos online because their child was in the photos. I told her I wouldn’t post them, and haven’t.
Thank you for this video. In Italy we are very careful with privacy. We have the right to take photos in public spaces but, in order to publish, we must ask permission for to people who are in the picture unless is part of a piece of news. Our legislation, and then our common behaviour, discourages me a bit from shooting photos in front of the people
In 2016 I was traveling/visiting Toronto, CA. I was doing my street photography from a public sidewalk. On the steps of a library like building was ad hoc collection of items that were a tribute to the Musician Prince. I went to take a picture, and all of a sudden my viewfinder was filled with a rather large man facing me. I moved to re-frame and he shifted again to block my picture. He was quite angry and started approaching me and lecturing me loudly about be disrespectful to the recently deceased artist. I told him I was a fan, but that did not appease him. I walked away. Great advice BTW. I think COVID masks make non-verbal communication ( a smile or a nod) with strangers difficult these days. I'm not an anti-masker, but for me treat photography is less fun when people are masked.
My take away from this video was your commentary on ethics. Essentially, "this camera will do no harm to others." Great message, keep up the good work. How has Fuji not picked you up as an x photographer by now?
I have been stopped a few times and found that asking them if they would like me to send the picture to them and ask for an email address. Works great...
Basically if the place you’re shooting has a security guard it’s private property. Doesn’t matter if it’s open to the public, it’s still privately owned and as such, you have to abide by their rules or you can be asked/forced to leave. Most of the city of London is private property, that includes parks, courtyards, even pavements. There should however be at least one sign that states what is acceptable in that location-no skating, no photography, no sunbathing etc. also some councils have restrictions on ‘professional’ photography& filming, some require permits. Some even class tripods as professional equipment. Also be aware that the antisocial behavior law has recently been updated so now it’s basically up to the police officer what constitutes it. If you’re being a dick that can be enough for him to arrest you for it.
I don’t often take photos in malls, etc. but when I’ve been confronted by a security guard I’ve been accommodating and then ask how they control the use of cell phone cameras. The response is usually a perplexed look.
If you’re taking a picture, because you feel you’re capturing, something meaningful, take it. Don’t just take pictures for the sake of taking pictures with the mentality that it’s your right. If you’re doing something creative, have at it.
Very informative but I got anxiety because of the way you breath. It seems like if you where scolded or you were running or something. Probably just me overthinking it lmao
I once got stopped by the police taking pictures of wellington barracks absolutely shit a brick but once I explained myself to the police officers they were really nice about it and told me just to be careful
Living in Orlando, Florida nobody stops photography here because we are the tourist capital of the world. I'm always shooting in malls pretending to be a tourist.
@@michaelfreeman2399 Orlando gets 20 million plus tourists a year. It was reported to get more tourists a year than any other destination. It doesn’t have anything to do with being American.
Only once have I ever had to quote the Law etc to a Security Guard and that wasn’t long ago, I and who knows how many others shoot around the area plenty of times, never had an issue yet this time I was right at the beginning, most importantly shooting away from the area and this guard wanted to give me grief, don’t know if he’d had a bad way or what but even though the area is private land it’s full of bars and restaurants, but also this particular time artwork for the Space Jam movie which included a QR Code for people to collect all the pieces of art throughout Manchester City Centre so there were people within 20 feet of me taking photos but his exes use was they are using a phone. Forgive me if I’m wrong but I’m sure a new IPhone is worth more than a year old XT3 with scratches here there and everywhere? I’m usually the one that avoids conflict as it can give all photographers a bad name and if this guy had picked a different way of handling it himself I would have just said ok, the photo wasn’t anything I can’t get again, the buildings been there for 121 years so isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Love the ethics advice Roman plus if a member of the public asked me to delete a photo fine, it’s one photo, and unless they’re a photographer themselves they’d have no idea my camera has got two cards slot and I still had the RAW File, even then it would have to be something special for me to keep it
Former security guard here. If you’re a dick then you will get trespassed off the site. Just because you can take photos somewhere doesn’t mean you should. You can absolutely take photos of the mi6 headquarters but trust me you’ll get police involved really quickly and depending on the state of emergency they won’t be polite. Same as other peoples kids in public. You take a picture of my kid I’m not gonna be polite about asking what for. But mostly, The general rule is implied consent. Basically if it’s obvious you’re filming/taking photos (doesn’t matter what of) and the person’allows’ themselves to be infront of the camera then you can legally assume they have given their consent to be filmed/photographed. If you’re sneakily trying to hide your camera and get shots that way it’s a grey area and can be seen as harassment or anti social behaviour. It’s how film crews and news broadcasts get around people in the background. Some films even put out boards stating you’re now entering a filming zone type thing.
I try to be polite all the time but when I'm pinned to the wall by aggressive comments and want to use "fatality" on the talker, I calmly and with a smile state: "If something didn't work out in your life, it's no reason to take it out on me." Wins every time 😬
The only time I ever got stopped I actually wasn't photographing anything and had the camera in my bag. I think the cops thought I was a vagrant or a drug dealer or something
For years I've been afraid of just taking pictures or videos in general either it be on a smartphone (that majority people use everyday) or with a DSLR or ML Camera specially in busy cities and suburban areas, I 've not been stopped by security just more or less concerned people of the public which i do understand but wouldn't you be used to it by now? How many times have you seen people in Piccadilly Circus with their phone out taking pictures or videos for Instagram or Tiktok but the moument you have have a Bigger camera, you're looked at like your from Mars and even treated more differently but once again no one says anything about CTTV Cameras watching your every move and I know that's for security but still. The best way to resolve the issue is to try to be nice to your limit especially with idiots who actually think your just a weirdo.
I make cards with my email that I give them, and use an instax printer to give them a print, and let them know they can contact me if they want a print. They may not be comfortable giving out their email, so I let them contact me.
Always be pleasant to the security guard. The nice ones are just doing their job. The nasty ones............ well they're nasty for their own reasons, and you don't know their breaking point until they break. And, no matter how in the right you are, when they break and use physical force on you, it often hurts.
i did paning on drivers driving bay and one of theam pulld over and asked to delete the photo and a did no no questions asked he felt bad about it and end it up having a chat like growing men hi iven offered me to do events if a was intrested :D
I just don't apologize for taking photos. Unless there's a law that prohibits photography in public places, mind your business and keep yo mouth shut. The just walk away is the greatest advice. Get the shot and move on.
I got fronted by a guard in a narrow, dark Glasgow alley who asked me what I was doing. When I told him there was some lovely abstract corrosion on the skips, he looked at me like I was mental and wandered off without another word 😂
I usually just tell them that I'm on a secret mission for MI6 called "None of your business".
Crazy, but not the sort of crazy he was paid to deal with.
"Just walk away, it's not worth it." Absolutely golden. I was taking photos of historic homes in a city close to where I live. The homeowner came out and was like the rude security guard you described. I had already taken 2-3 photos, so I just walked away, even though I am confident I had a legal right to take the photos.
I totally agree with you I walk around my local city, and once I had a site agent ask me why was I taking picture's of his site, I told him I'm taking picture for a history book through the lens of my camera, of all the developments in the area, his words Wow what a great idea, I then asked him if he had any problems with adding his site to my book, he said none at all , gave me a hi-vis & hard hat showing me around his site, I took lot's of pictures, & in about 3 years when it's finished I'll send him a copy of the small book, and that the only time I've been stopped, never by the public.
I've come across a few street photographers on youtube who also recommend having business cards ready, since this lends a bit of credibility. Of course, I imagine also having your website, social media etc on this business card is extra useful for actual confirmation. More importantly, personally, it would save me from having to rattle off all this information when I'm perhaps already a bit nervous about being approached or confronted. I can see it being practical when going abroad, since not everyone is fluent in English or might have trouble with your accent, but almost anyone can read off a web address and check it out themselves.
This absolutely works, most of the time. It's also great if you spot somebody interesting and you want to take a picture of them - I give them my card and they rarely say no.
I especially liked your views on "ethics" - this quote comes to mind:
“If you take a picture of a human that does not make him noble, there is no reason to take this picture. That is my way of seeing things." Sebastiao Salgado
Hard to make some people look 'noble'. I'm trying to capture a moment and nobility or lack thereof is not in my vocabulary at that time.
@@NIKONGUY1960 so “capturing a moment” takes precedence over the people you might show in a poor or embarrassing light? What about how they feel about your “moment?” Or don’t they matter?
@@Edwin1947D Not exactly sure how nikonguy meant his answer but Imo not making somebody look noble does not necessarily mean that you have to show them in a bad light. For me there is a big difference between capturing a moment and making somebody look bad. You really shouldn't go around shooting people who are down on their luck or shoot them only because they look "funny" (looking at you Bruce Gilden) but there is also nothing noble about some random stranger walking down a street while being in the perfect position for you composition or people just going about their day or doing other out-of-the-ordinary activities. Candid moments aren t just divided between funny/embarassing and noble. So basically don't take photos that make people look bad or profit from them being in a shitty situation. If you really want to shoot people in bad situation you should always ask for consent and if possible offer some help in return. If you can t do that, don t take the photo.
A couple of things to add here. If you’re stopped by a security guard who says you’re on private property (and it wasn’t obvious, ie no signage) you’re quite within your rights to point this out, and say that if photography isn’t allowed in the area there should be signs. If they get bolshy and tell you to leave, you must leave. Often, in London at least, the private property only extends to the edge of the pavement, in which case just step off the kerb into the road (assuming you can do so safely) which is usually public land. You can then take as many shots as you like and the security guard can’t do a thing. If I think the guard is trying to pull a fast one, I’ll ask for them to show me the proof, their direct authority from the landowner to prevent photography, or local bylaw that prohibits photography. This usually shuts them up, because they can’t, but if they’ve said you’re on private property and ask you to leave, as I said before, you must leave. Security guards also aren’t allowed to touch you, as that’s assault and you’d be within your rights to call the Police, and they also have no right to tell you to delete any pictures. The same goes for the Police here, as any photo could form evidence. If a Police officer demands you delete a photo you should refuse on these grounds. Also, a Police officer may not see any of the shots you’ve taken as that requires a search warrant, which they won’t have. On the whole, the Police are getting better with photographers, but there are still some who aren’t familiar with the laws surrounding photographers, so make sure you’re aware of your rights, and stand your ground. Overall, in the UK, if you’re in a public place there are no restrictions on taking photos, and no one has any expectation of privacy if they’re in a public place. One thing you might need to be aware of is some buildings, places, or structures may have copyright limitations, which means you cannot publish an image of whatever it is for your personal financial gain, as it would infringe the copyright of the owner. The best example of this is the Eiffel Tower in Paris, where the night time light show has a copyright protection. These are very rare though, so don’t worry too much about them.
this is fantastic.
cant speak for the uk but walking in the roadway or standing in the roadway may get you a ticket here.
which is why,
here in the usa,
there is a "easement" both sides of every road for foot traffic.
which varies based on the need
(highways require enough easement for a car, truck or semi to safely pull off or have turnouts)
but minimum there is a "imaginary" sidewalk both sides of a road.
which is public and for use by the public.
even if a its a "sidewalk storefront"
they have to honor the sidewalk laws.
its public.
@@highrider9168 Watch some 1st amendment audits and you will learn everything you need to know.
@@FlatWaterFilms oh yes indeed very true depending on who you watch it can be very enlightening.
i dont know about you but i consider those 1a audits to be more of the "frontlines" in comparison to the
"street photography" scene due to the level of determination to photograph something or someone.
@@highrider9168 Yeah, I want to avoid confrontations, but sometimes I yet pissed when I'm just minding my own business.
I found your channel just today, I skimmed through your videos and each of them looked so so informative and interesting. I can't wait to binge watch your videos so I can grasp new things. Your videos are to the point and I love your pov videos. There aren't many channels like these across youtube, thankyou and I hope you continue doing what you love
my rational brain: "sounds good"
my social anxiety: "panic! PANIC NOW!"
😅
Roman I am in NYC ,and we can shoot in public places legally. I have been stopped in the mall once by a 'guard' who told me I cannot take pictures inside the mall. Myt camera was strapped to me on my hip and was off, not in my hands. I told him I am not holding it, you did not see me holding it, and that makes no damn sense because most phones/ tablets have cameras, which people freely use inside. I did him a FAVOR even responding to him because I don't have to, and he has no right to detain me, question me, nor touch me. Outside in the public you cannot detain me, cannot touch me, and I do NOT have to explain anything to you. If you touch me, scream at me, yell at me, l threaten me, I have the same rights to protect myself and my gear as I do if you were trying to rob me. That means you can have an OPINION, yet your opinion can bring swift and harsh consequences, if you violate my space .I am not saying what other people will do, yet I am not that guy to debate, argue, take threats, nor have my day interrupted, and I do not have to. For example, if you come to me asking about why i am taking pictures, I do not have to even answer you..PERIOD...I have had TH-cam creators who have threatened me just because I not only did not agree, I disproved their nonsense. I told ALL of them, whenever you are ready, feel free to make those threats a reality with the same results..NOTHING..See the real issue is, people now tend to think they can be offended by anything and that we have to care. People want you to call them something because it's in their delusional minds, and that they can just be intrusive. It's my camera, I own it, and I shoot with my big ole camera everyone can see. I am not some punk nor creepy in the bushes, hiding like some perv, and I respect people's cultures. I do not go to weddings not funerals and shoot without permission, and I respond to people who speak to me respectfully. If you bring aggression, you will get horrible and possibly abnormal results, online and off.
Great advice Roman, Being nice goes a long way. A few weeks ago I was on private property with permission and a friend of the owner happened to drive by. As he pulled up I immediately and calmly walked out to meet him. Introduced myself and after a quick phone call all was good. I have also found it helpful that if you see a security guard don't try to quickly disappear but stay in the area or even approach them first.
Super useful and confidence boosting! Thank you Roman, really enjoying all your videos :)
Great video, great advice. In all my many years of photographing in the streets of big cities, the number of "bad encounters" I've had I can count on one hand. What I' have found helps, though, is carrying some business cards with me. I don't actually have a real photography business. I don't use the card to advertise myself, that is, but simply to show people that I am a "photographer." I find that handing someone my simple little business card with my photography website listed on it helps me look legitimate and helps calm people down... and it might even help more people become aware of my photography!
Man, tbh you do make the best street photography videos, your content ist just phenomenal. Thank you for sharing!
You seem like a wonderful human being. I know this contributes to a beautiful vision of the world, and that is reflected in your incredible images. Thank you for helping me to hopefully be the same in that regard. Your videos are truly a gift to humanity, and photography! Thanks again.
One other point that comes up often, is that there's a direct correlation between the size of your camera gear (particularly lens) and the potential for confrontation. Small unobtrusive kit is much less threatening or even unnoticable when it's pointed at someone.
Hi Roman. I wanted to let you know that I've really been enjoying your videos since I discovered them a few weeks ago and sincerely appreciate everything you put into producing them. I do feel, however, that I need to take the time here to strongly disagree with the sentiment you're expressing re: Ethics. I understand that what you're saying is the exact sort of thing that will get most people to agree with you without much thought, but I feel that photographers in general and anyone who is a sincere artist should be skeptical of these views.
There are many examples of works from great street photographers that don't paint their subjects in the best light. Street photography is documentary photography, not glamor, not portrait photography. There are many examples in Cartier-Bresson's work of people sleeping with their mouths open, laying in the street, engaged in questionable activities, etc. and very many of those are exceptionally good works of art. I would encourage anyone reading to look up Diane Arbus' contact sheet for Child with a Toy Hand Grenade (one of my personal all-time favorite photographs). Looking at it, it's plain to see that she could've chosen a photo of the boy that painted him in a much better light. Instead she chose one in which his face and body are contorted and freakish. The subject of that photograph was later angry with Arbus for portraying him the way she did. Later in life he supposedly came to appreciate the photo however.
The sentiment that you're conveying in your Ethics section here is simply a reflection of current social mores. And while I would never advocate for being disrespectful to other people, there is a certain timidness in this approach that will be reflected in one's photos.
In the U.S., taking photos in *public* is absolutely protected under the first amendment and anyone who says otherwise is ill-informed. Anyone who is prevented from photographing in a public space by law enforcement should file a formal complaint. Photography is hard, especially street photography where you make yourself a target for anyone and everyone. I myself have been assaulted on two separate occasions, hassled by security, yelled at by pedestrians and even-point blank accused of pedophilia by the police, all for doing nothing more than photographing in public.
You can't educate everyone you pass by in the street about the importance of artistic expression in free societies. You can't give them all a history lesson in the artform of photography. But what you can do is consistently assert your right to exist and practice your art regardless of people's philistinism. If we don't do that, if we let social mores drift too far into paying lip service to respecting people's "privacy" in a world where every street corner, every store, every car and every cop's body has a camera attached to it, then we risk people becoming more ignorant, more intolerant and more afraid of a camera with a warm human face behind it.
Sorry for the rant, I just feel like it's important though. I'm looking forward to enjoying more of your excellent videos and photographs.
Thanks, really sound advice. I'm just starting out and I am retired so don't use social media, looks like maybe that should change. Love your work and enjoying your videos.
Good tips as I embark upon a weeklong trip to New York.
Thanks for the advice
I live in Greece and people here are not very familiar with the concept of street photography, so I kind of avoid taking many pictures with people…this video is very helpful, thank you Roman🤙
I live in Athens, and I think It is never too late for anyone to get familiar with something so interesting and valuable as street photography. Of course, we'd better be discreet with the way we take our pictures, but not afraid.
Great stuff Roman, Although I'm late to the party I quite agree with your approach. While I have no where near your level of street photography experience I have encountered reactions both negative and positive. People have their own reasons for their behaviour and I can only endeavor to control my own. I always attempt to remain positive and optimistic. When in a public area and when approached rudely by those in a position of authority or responsibility I acknowledge their concerns and comply with their requests, but in as friendly a manner as possible I also remind them of the existing laws. 😇
Great stuff Roman. Particularly like the idea of you sharing the best areas and times of day for shooting. Really helps for those of us that only get limited time in London.
My main problem when shooting in a city is people stopping and waiting for me to take a picture so they don't walk in front of the camera. Nine times out of ten I want them to walk in front, either to be the subject or to be a blurry foreground. Have you found a way to help with this?
Ha! Yes, this is a right pain, and way more prevalent than being questioned about what you're doing.
Great summary and 100% agree
The world has changed. In the days of Robert Capa (1940s and 50s) a person on the street with a camera was not viewed as some kind of threat. Today, the general attitudes have changed and street photography is more likely to result in a confrontation.
When you say you are not doing anything wrong, it is true what you are doing is probably not illegal (be careful in France where the rules are not the same), but wrong from a cultural perspective is very different. I think it is approaching the point where street photographer is viewed with such suspicion that it could be called "wrong" in many societies.
Good points, thanks. Particularly liked the notion of having ethics in photographing people.
thanks for the good tips. really good for those new street photographers like me!
The funny thing is that most everyone has a camera in their hand (the cell phone) who are talking photos all the time, we’re more obvious because our cameras are bigger
Had fun at a Juvenile Corrections site, old stone buildings. Think I had to deal with three different staff. They were unable to chase me away. I went about my business, kept telling them I would not take any pictures of the inmates, nor the fenced in areas. Got my shots, knew what I was in for, there was nothing they could do. One manager wanted to follow me around, I said go right ahead. Where I was was publicly accessible.
I've had a lot of experience photographing canary wharf. Their policy (on their website) is that its perfectly ok even with a tripod as long as you don't photograph entrances with identifiable people coming in or out. Its a pity that some of their security are unaware of this. I've encountered security guars on several occasions - all bar one with no problems. The one problem I had was with a member of building security coming out and telling me to stop. I might have done except that someone from the same building had come out earlier and had no problem so I stood my ground. When he contacted his colleague it was all sorted. Moral of the story is - if you are on private ground find out what you can or can't do.
As I'm a cheapskate and live in south London down near Croydon, I like taking the 75 bus to just south of Greenwich. Then walking up through Greenwich and under the Thames to the north bank. Then keep walking miles west along the north bank until I'm at the Tate Britain, ready to cross to the south side of the Thames where a nice 196 bus is waiting to take me home.
A lovely long walk for the price of two cheap bus fares, and on the bus I listen to my favourite podcasts :)
Thank you, Roman!
There is a saying of the german poet Kurt Tucholsky related to ordinary people with little power because of their job and I try to translate / interpret it: „It is a pain to stand in front of a counter, but an ideal to sit behind one“.
Again, great video!
Thanks for another great video, Roman. Do you have any female photographer friends? Do they get stopped more or less often, and do they react similarly to your suggestions here? Thanks!
If you haven't already done so, it might be useful to make a follow up video about how to take street photography photos while remaining largely unnoticed. Those make for the best images, in most cases, IMO.
I like the teal & orange set up in your room mate! Any plans of using those colors on your photos? :)
haha cheers. some already have that :)
Being stopped, and/or questioned by members of the public, or security, has NEVER bothered me. I regularly keep myself updated on the law and carry copies of relevant information with me but I am always happy to speak politely with everyone. I have never had an issue and after chatting, I have NEVER been asked to delete a picture. I do always offer to send a copy of the picture to them and that seems to help. I agree with you, Roman, you should never be afraid to go out. Oh, and I live in London and go out almost every weekend taking pictures. I don't ask people for their email addresses in case it comes across as a bit dodgy. Instead, I offer them a card with MY email details and say that if they want a copy of the phot they can call me and i will send one. That way, I think they will feel more at ease. Let's face it, most of us DON'T like giving out our details to a stranger.
5:40 - well said, and the "thankfully" made me smile. Nice one :-)
Hi Roman love your work and was interested in your video. Niue a jock question I’ve also just started street photography but wanted to know how I can get sponsors do you have any suggestions?
Thanks for the advice! the marina looks awesome at sunset
Always learn more than I thought I would Roman, thank you. Particularly liked the bit about ethics, and also the details about whether security guards or the police can touch you or your camera.
Thanks for this Roman, great advice 👏👏👏
Something I can never square up is how someone with an actual camera is immediately stopped and questioned when the world is full of people with mobile phones that are used constantly in nearly every scenario and location you can think of. I would guarantee a security guard stops none of them. Have a camera in your hands though....
I have found that some people regard any camera with a detachable lens as a "professional" camera and therefore think you're going to make money from your photos, while cell phones are, well, only cell phones. With phones getting better and better, and DSLRs more within reach of the average person, this really isn't a reliable indicator, but the problem is so often what people think they know.
Still, what business is it of theirs whether you make money from it or not?
you have a great positive attitude.
Great video!
I‘m always blown away how sharp and perfect your photos in low light get. I‘m trying to replicate this on my Lumix gh5 and I didn‘t get it, yet. Still on my first bad 10.000 pictures I guess.
Seriously, I really like what you do.
One can only imagine the Iconic photos the world never would have seen if photographers had been following this thinking for the last 100 years
again it depends on the intention. I take photos for my own enjoyment and not to document history (although the later comes with the territory anyway). So with that in mind, I will do all I can to not upset others with my hobby. For those who’s sole purpose is to document history both good and bad, of course a different mindset applies
Another excellent video, Roman. Is Royal Victoria on the DLR line the nearest tube station you'd recommend to get closest to the Excel Marina? Thanks very much.
yeah literally a 2 min walk away
I like to have a go at street photography, but i am not sure i get it... I have just got back from Milan Italy and had my camera with me, i struggled a lot.. So i am asking as i don't actually get most of the photos i see on youtube and have no idea what your seeing or taking how would you like to do a collaboration with me a landscape photographer and see if we can do a video on the why?
Excellent advice, Roman. Great video!
Some nice shots and I know that area well, it’s not far from where I live.
Regarding being stopped by public, one weird thing is I've twice been stopped by people who were about 100 yards away in their car, among many other cars. They drive up to me, stop, and demand to know what I'm photo-ing.
Both times it's been dudes in quite fast looking black cars, with trimmed beards looking and behaving a tiny bit gangsta. In one case they were still polite, but in the other case it was two guys acting like I had a lot of explaining to do. Odd. Are they dealing drugs or in stolen cars or something? I wonder. I just avoid getting too close in case they grab my gear.
In Brixton I experienced similar friction from pedestrians and, in those cases, it was like they just felt I was on 'their patch' even though it was a public high street etc.
Hi Roman! Should I buy 50-140mm f2.8 or 33mm f1.4. I own a XT-200, should I buy the 33mm f1.4 and save money for a new camera, or should I buy the 50-140mm f2.8? I love shooting cars and I own a 35mm f2
Since you're shooting cars, you probably use a smaller aperture (higher F #) to get the details. So I'm thinking the 33mm 1.4 won't benefit you as much. Another camera or the 50-140mm could have more use.
Thanks for the great advice.
This video is really interesting, just a few days ago I got stopped by a security guard, and it was embarrasing, a shame I didn't watch this video before!
I got stopped once, the mother of a family of 4 asked if was taking pics of them. I said yes and that I’m a street photographer. She just asked that I didn’t post the photos online because their child was in the photos. I told her I wouldn’t post them, and haven’t.
Love your videos (and positive outlook). Thank you!
Thank you for this video. In Italy we are very careful with privacy. We have the right to take photos in public spaces but, in order to publish, we must ask permission for to people who are in the picture unless is part of a piece of news. Our legislation, and then our common behaviour, discourages me a bit from shooting photos in front of the people
ありがとうございます！ Large numbers can be very confusing 😅
Great advice sir! Keep up the good work!
Well done on something different. Ethics were great. If only everyone was like that. Being nice goes along way.
6:15s Worlds scariest lift that! 😄
In 2016 I was traveling/visiting Toronto, CA. I was doing my street photography from a public sidewalk. On the steps of a library like building was ad hoc collection of items that were a tribute to the Musician Prince. I went to take a picture, and all of a sudden my viewfinder was filled with a rather large man facing me. I moved to re-frame and he shifted again to block my picture. He was quite angry and started approaching me and lecturing me loudly about be disrespectful to the recently deceased artist. I told him I was a fan, but that did not appease him. I walked away. Great advice BTW. I think COVID masks make non-verbal communication ( a smile or a nod) with strangers difficult these days. I'm not an anti-masker, but for me treat photography is less fun when people are masked.
I'm like the paparazzi to everybody
Here in the Philippines you cannot take pictures inside our malls with your DSLR. But you can with your cellphone cameras. I dont get it.
As a complete beginner can I learn and grow with this work flow? Could I use it professionally?
Thanks for the tips Roman. Is there an indicator that publicly accessible place is privately owned? Like special street signs, marker, or colors.
hmm tricky one but best bet is private security and “no biked to be chained to railings” sings from what I heard
My take away from this video was your commentary on ethics. Essentially, "this camera will do no harm to others." Great message, keep up the good work. How has Fuji not picked you up as an x photographer by now?
Great content Roman.
Great video again.
Great advice!! Have you ever used the Fuji xf27mm for being discreet?
nah, i have been tempted but think its a little pricey for what it is
useful video man, thank you
I have been stopped a few times and found that asking them if they would like me to send the picture to them and ask for an email address. Works great...
3 days a week?
What do you do with the photos?
Thanks, very useful information 👍
This is a great channel!keep it up.nice job.
4:25 i see you're at the In Body Stabilization building
Basically if the place you’re shooting has a security guard it’s private property. Doesn’t matter if it’s open to the public, it’s still privately owned and as such, you have to abide by their rules or you can be asked/forced to leave. Most of the city of London is private property, that includes parks, courtyards, even pavements. There should however be at least one sign that states what is acceptable in that location-no skating, no photography, no sunbathing etc. also some councils have restrictions on ‘professional’ photography& filming, some require permits. Some even class tripods as professional equipment. Also be aware that the antisocial behavior law has recently been updated so now it’s basically up to the police officer what constitutes it. If you’re being a dick that can be enough for him to arrest you for it.
5:17 Bruce Gilden should watch this part.
Good advice.
Well explained.
Learned a lot.
I don’t often take photos in malls, etc. but when I’ve been confronted by a security guard I’ve been accommodating and then ask how they control the use of cell phone cameras. The response is usually a perplexed look.
Nice job.
If you’re taking a picture, because you feel you’re capturing, something meaningful, take it. Don’t just take pictures for the sake of taking pictures with the mentality that it’s your right. If you’re doing something creative, have at it.
London don't have snowfall?
Very informative but I got anxiety because of the way you breath. It seems like if you where scolded or you were running or something. Probably just me overthinking it lmao
I once got stopped by the police taking pictures of wellington barracks absolutely shit a brick but once I explained myself to the police officers they were really nice about it and told me just to be careful
Living in Orlando, Florida nobody stops photography here because we are the tourist capital of the world. I'm always shooting in malls pretending to be a tourist.
That's nice. I find the opposite in Houston. Not touristy... i feel like I look suspicious most of the time. lol.
Tourist capital of the world 😂 yea let’s ignore London and Hong Kong and Paris and all these other places − Jesus Americans…
@@michaelfreeman2399 Orlando gets 20 million plus tourists a year. It was reported to get more tourists a year than any other destination. It doesn’t have anything to do with being American.
Takes forever to get to it
banger video boss
Only once have I ever had to quote the Law etc to a Security Guard and that wasn’t long ago, I and who knows how many others shoot around the area plenty of times, never had an issue yet this time I was right at the beginning, most importantly shooting away from the area and this guard wanted to give me grief, don’t know if he’d had a bad way or what but even though the area is private land it’s full of bars and restaurants, but also this particular time artwork for the Space Jam movie which included a QR Code for people to collect all the pieces of art throughout Manchester City Centre so there were people within 20 feet of me taking photos but his exes use was they are using a phone. Forgive me if I’m wrong but I’m sure a new IPhone is worth more than a year old XT3 with scratches here there and everywhere?
I’m usually the one that avoids conflict as it can give all photographers a bad name and if this guy had picked a different way of handling it himself I would have just said ok, the photo wasn’t anything I can’t get again, the buildings been there for 121 years so isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Love the ethics advice Roman plus if a member of the public asked me to delete a photo fine, it’s one photo, and unless they’re a photographer themselves they’d have no idea my camera has got two cards slot and I still had the RAW File, even then it would have to be something special for me to keep it
Former security guard here. If you’re a dick then you will get trespassed off the site. Just because you can take photos somewhere doesn’t mean you should. You can absolutely take photos of the mi6 headquarters but trust me you’ll get police involved really quickly and depending on the state of emergency they won’t be polite. Same as other peoples kids in public. You take a picture of my kid I’m not gonna be polite about asking what for. But mostly, The general rule is implied consent. Basically if it’s obvious you’re filming/taking photos (doesn’t matter what of) and the person’allows’ themselves to be infront of the camera then you can legally assume they have given their consent to be filmed/photographed. If you’re sneakily trying to hide your camera and get shots that way it’s a grey area and can be seen as harassment or anti social behaviour. It’s how film crews and news broadcasts get around people in the background. Some films even put out boards stating you’re now entering a filming zone type thing.
my ethics say
"if my eyes can see it, i can draw it...but a photo will save me time."
I try to be polite all the time but when I'm pinned to the wall by aggressive comments and want to use "fatality" on the talker, I calmly and with a smile state: "If something didn't work out in your life, it's no reason to take it out on me." Wins every time 😬
hahaha mic drop
The only time I ever got stopped I actually wasn't photographing anything and had the camera in my bag. I think the cops thought I was a vagrant or a drug dealer or something
Had a cop stop by and ask what I was doing. Told him, demanded a business card and my ID. I asked why, was I speeding? They don't like that.
For years I've been afraid of just taking pictures or videos in general either it be on a smartphone (that majority people use everyday) or with a DSLR or ML Camera specially in busy cities and suburban areas, I 've not been stopped by security just more or less concerned people of the public which i do understand but wouldn't you be used to it by now? How many times have you seen people in Piccadilly Circus with their phone out taking pictures or videos for Instagram or Tiktok but the moument you have have a Bigger camera, you're looked at like your from Mars and even treated more differently but once again no one says anything about CTTV Cameras watching your every move and I know that's for security but still. The best way to resolve the issue is to try to be nice to your limit especially with idiots who actually think your just a weirdo.
them videos on tiktok where the person recording is spoiling for a fight to get views really pisses me off gives good photographers a bad name
I make cards with my email that I give them, and use an instax printer to give them a print, and let them know they can contact me if they want a print. They may not be comfortable giving out their email, so I let them contact me.
Always be pleasant to the security guard. The nice ones are just doing their job. The nasty ones............ well they're nasty for their own reasons, and you don't know their breaking point until they break. And, no matter how in the right you are, when they break and use physical force on you, it often hurts.
i did paning on drivers driving bay and one of theam pulld over and asked to delete the photo and a did no no questions asked he felt bad about it and end it up having a chat like growing men hi iven offered me to do events if a was intrested :D
I just don't apologize for taking photos. Unless there's a law that prohibits photography in public places, mind your business and keep yo mouth shut. The just walk away is the greatest advice. Get the shot and move on.