@@damonf4340 I was busy waiting for the reviews, and watching some gameplay, so I could avoid this frustration. I'll wait for a mod to fix all the issues, then maybe consider buying it..
@@Unsensitive I'd recommend waiting for a patch that could maybe add some balance to Malenia, if you have a touchy relationship with the god known as RN Gesus...
considering the fact that the source of the golden order is a primordial outer god, and that outer space is very neatly tied to gravity magic in regards to worldbuilding, it isn't impossible. Although, gravity magic is color coded exclusively to be purple in the game, so it's rather unlikely.
@@drftr6073 Spoilers ahead: There is an area and fight that literally is outside of Time in this universe. A lot of stuff can happen. That being said, the Erd Tree takes root deep deep underground to a level where you can fight Astel the Naturalborn--geographically. it's in a different area, however, but the fact someone of Empyrean lineage can learn and use magic hints at something. it is more likely than you think. Not to mention the young and minor Erdtrees that can sprout wherever it so pleases. Although, Gravity and other sorcery is under the umbrella where people learned these abilities, so it may be that it is of a different nature to the erdtree entirely... but this doesn't explain the weird end game boss flying about. I have not structured this whatsoever, but it's food for thought.
It's all in good fun, I also much agree with both of those things. But I do have one question, aside from gravity, would the atmosphere composition / density also play a role ion the maximum tree's size? Considering the ridiculous size of the giant ants and the giant dragonflies, we can infer the oxygen levels are much higher than on earth for example, so how would different kind / quantity of gasses affect plant growth?
@@domomitsune5920 Or yah know show them a smartphone and tell them to explicitly tell you how it works...cause magic is just science that one doesn't understand and I definably don't understand how most modern electronics work. Well beyond "it seems run on some form electricity"...lol
I'm honestly a little disappointed that, when you talked about equations making sense in real life, you didn't look at the structural integrity of a tree/wood to see if it would be crushed under its own weight by a certain height.
I've estimated that once! Tree bark, as long as it is reasonably healthy, can sustain the weight of more than 3,000 meters of itself. Surprisingly, legos can too.
I think we should also figure out what the gravity of the world of Elden Ring may be, which could be done by figuring out what the speed is at which we fall in the game. My hypothesis is that the world of Elden Ring is some-what smaller than Earth, since falling in Elden Ring is a bit floaty and slow.
I was watching a documentary recently that explained one factor that allowed the Redwoods to grow so tall was fog. It stated that thick fog was natural to the area and allowed the trees to absorb some of their water through their leaves and trunks, reducing the need to pull it up from the ground. If this does play a role in their height, how does this change the theoretical limit (if it does at all)?
You know, the boiling might actually be what would help trees that tall. They would need a "vacuum tube" (in which water is pushed to make it to high elevations) in which water to boil, the vapors to rise, and then liquid water to be condensed by the biological heatsink known as leaves and branches. And if the bark is transparent and vacuum tubes are dark colored, with air-bubble gaps to insulate the exterior of the vacuum tube, then sunlight alone might be enough to help the vapors keep remaining water vapors and keep rising just as fast instead of stopping their rise part-way through. This could allow trees on Earth to reach the orbit, if carefully designed and aided to do so.
Good theory, until you said they *could* be *designed* to reach Earth orbit. They don't naturally...so....then they can't do it naturally because, if they could, we'd have found them. Yeah I don't know what more to say about that. It was good until you started speculating.
@@xantishayde-walker4593 Just because something doesn't exist now doesn't mean it can't exist eventually. Your comment didn't exist before you posted it, but now it does. Would we assume that because it didn't exist before it was impossible for that comment to exist?
@@GambitsEnd No but it would be reasonable to assume that it could very well exist, due to the fact of my having a computer and phone which allow me the ability to leave such comments, internet access thru said devices, the ability to see, hear and feel in order to be able to post such comments, access to the platform on which comments are left, an account in good standing that enables me to leave such comments and the knowledge to access and use the platform to post such comments. So therefore, it's very reasonable to assume that one such as myself could not only possibly leave a comment, like I have, they could also assume it's probable that I would, seeing as I am interested in debating such things. Now, it's not probable for such trees to exist, like we see in Elden Ring, mainly because we have no evidence of any such tress existing due to the fact that none have ever been discovered, as far as I know. It's also fairly improbable for such trees to exist because none have ever been discovered, that I'm aware of. The closest thing we have on Earth would be the "General Sherman" Giant Sequoia in the Sequoia National Park, which is 274.9 *ft* high or about 84 meters. It's bark is not transparent, it doesn't seem to have dark tubes to carry moisture up to the top of the tree and it's naturally occurring. While it's fantastic and out of the range of what most people experience, it's an everyday observation that they are there, for the people who live and work near or in the forest and any who visit on a regular basis. So, for a tree to exist that is orders of magnitude larger than that, say oh Idk, ~14k ft or 4.4k meters tall, is at the least extremely improbable if not nearly impossible to believe.
11:24 Something that might interest folks: farmers and loggers have been using a variation of this phenomenon to kill invasive gorse and scotch broom in my area for years. They make a deep cut in the plant and smother it with a mixture of fertilizer and heavy duty herbicide. The idea is that the injured plant will suck up the nutrients in an effort to repair itself, but die from the poison it takes in. Kind of like hiding arsenic in cake. Now, I can show this clip to all the old-timers and let them know they can skip the fertilizer. Negative pressure will take care of the rest. 😁👍🤣
Hold up. The cake is poisoned? That's cheating! I was told I got to choose between cake or death. I choose cake. My cake should not contain any death. Now I gotta find a mouse to test my cake. I guess the cake is a lie after all.
@@stevenscott2136 Gorse and scotch broom shrubs have notoriously persistent root systems. If you just cut them down or pull them up by the roots and don't get every last bit, they simply grow back with a vengeance. Plus, an added benefit to killing the whole shrub in place is that it helps the landowner keep track of areas they've already treated.
@@NicholasMarshall: See, that's why you should always choose the chicken. Yes, it's bland as all hell, and a little overcooked (bullshit, it's more rubbery than a hockey puck slapshot into a tire factory!), but that's the way things go on _Anglican Airlines._
This is probably the earliest I've ever been to one of your videos so I'll take another crack at it. I would LOVE to see you crunch the numbers for the "Rhino Stomp" in Warframe. The ability states "Rhino stomps with force sufficient to disrupt time". No weird energy or tech bs just straight force since there is another frame that messes with time but specifically states she's using a device to do so while this specifies force. Now theoretically it is possible to disrupt time with a significant enough burst of energy but I'm fairly certain the forces required to do so would wipe a planet clean of life if not blink it out of existence.
“I pressed dodge” honestly I feel that. So many times have I thought I pressed the button to drink one of my health flasks but nope. Input didn’t register and I die. Thank you Science Boi for telling us about big gold tree. I shall listen to the videos loading screen tips and help boost engagement.
Dodge activates on the release of the button. Because sprint uses the same button and activates on press. So a quick press is what you need instead of a slower more intentional press. That's why it feels delayed or doesn't seem to register.
@@graydi66y That's not the only reason. The game actually has input lag issues. It's been the case for these games for a long time. Input Lag is a demon that Fromsoft has never been able to defeat, unfortunately.
Btw what Kyle is saying about delayed input is true but it has a reason. The dodge button is the same button as sprint and you hold to sprint. So the game has to figure out whether you're trying to sprint or dodge. So it just lets you dodge on release, not on press. If it did it on press you couldn't sprint. If they put dodge on A/X then sprint jumping would be very difficult. And other buttons would be awkward or have their own problems. So this is what we get.
Bruh, I like the third person camera. In fact, I shudder to imagine pulling off the same maneuvers in first person. And the delay on rolling comes from the game waiting for you to release the button, as holding it would mean running instead.
I agree with your assessment Kyle but i would like to draw your attention for a moment to probably my favorite exoplanet. Gliese 436B, a planet in the leo constellation that is x15 closer to its star then Mercury is to ours, travels around its star in 2 1/5 days, its surface temperature is 840F. Yet despite being beyond its own melting point, its surface is entirely covered in ice. Now I realize that because of its immense gravity that the few trace amounts of water vapor that manage to form are then (by gravity) forced back into a solid. So if a planet like that, and many other strange and bizarre planets like it, can exist. Im sure that theres one out there somewhere with 500m tall trees. And id love to see it someday.
What is funny is he could have used the ingame Basilisk...Guess having a spikey tree burst out of the back of your spine into the ground and supspend you into the air(can we all agree new death blight is the most metal instadeath in these games) would be hard to make animated
the dodge roll begins on button release, and not button press, because running is on the same button and holding the button initiates running. so they check for an early release of the button before running initiates in order to start the dodge roll. you're welcome.
I can see why you wouldn't want to consider factors like atmosphere composition, rotation speed and maximum jet stream wind speed. If you accounted for all the variables you'd have to create a planet with perfect conditions for a tree like that to grow.
I would've done soo much better in Community College Chem last term if the prof made us calculate the theoretical maximum height of the Erd Tree. This is so cool
You are talking about how tall can trees grows on other planets or in this planet but why not how small human like species and other creatures can be on other planets to make these trees look big? The glass is not always half full. Gotta discuss about the half emptiness sometime also.
As an Arborist I brought this up with some of my coworkers and we spent about an hour talking about all the factors you didn't include and how we felt you went about it the wrong way.
Counterpoint: when you look at the Erdtree from a distance (and maybe also up close? I haven't gotten close enough to check) it's semi-transparent. You can see land and structures on the far side of the tree, through its trunk. And there are Erdtree saplings dotted around the map that are also golden yellow, yet transparent. A hollow tree, however that might work, would be much lighter than a solid tree, and could be much more capable of growing to incredible heights, taller than Earthly redwoods and potentially as tall as the Erdtree. That said, such trees have no true analogue here on Earth, so it's impossible to speculate how they might work.
Ok, you covered how TALL a tree can get. Now, consider a tree of the same proportions as visible in that game, and what other factors could limit overall size. For instance, calculate how thick those main branches from the trunk are, and determine if they could support the weight they apparently are, or withstand shear forces created by relatively normal wind conditions. This could force your max height waaaay down for a tree this shape, further limiting the range of possible mass and volume of the planet (or vice versa). OR… do measurements in game (like gravitational acceleration tests, and assuming the tree is the max size a tree can be) to attempt to determine the actual mass and volume of the world the game takes place on. You know, for fun. I definitely won’t do it, but I’d watch it!
i would estimate size of lands between by comparing fall damage distance to earth, someone made a video explaining how fall damage works in elden ring and basically it's fall over 16m starts to hurt and over 20 kills by comparing these numbers to earths relative numbers you could get rough mass/gravity comparison
Couldn't the tree have internal reservoirs at certain intervalls? Like in, he reached the maximum pulling distance from the ground, creates a sponge-like reservoir with "pulling leaves" on that level, continues growing and repeats that process. It would alter its appearance from what is shown in the game and would look like more stepped between layers, but I think it'd be possible. If you know a counter argument, please let me know.
If by input delay you're talking about the delay between the button press and the input being registered that's more of a technical issue that's not really in the developers control. If you're talking about startup animations, fromsoft uses that for the same reason other games like Smash and other action/fighting games include it as well. It's because having startup animations means in a boss fight you need to react quickly and pay attention to the boss' animations in advance of the attack coming out. In PVP it's way more important. Not having startup runs the danger of either nobody being able to hit eachother because anybody can just immediately roll out of an attack, or attacks come out almost immediately and they become completely unavoidable.
In a lot of cases, using the argument "it exists because of magic" would be a copout, but in the case of the Erdtrees of Elden Ring, it would actually help describe why they exist. Simply put, as far as the game is concerned, the Erdtrees are pretty much like massive, eldritch, magical parasites, thriving off of the dead of the land. Hell, some may think that they aren't really trees, but rather aliens, ancient aliens. Also, if we're to try and figure out the relative size and mass of the world that the Lands Between exists on, we could perhaps take the fall speed of the game in mind and consider that the speed at which stuff falls relative to that world's gravity, and in turn finding out the possible gravity of said world? It may not help much in the grand scheme of things, but it's at least a starting point.
What if it was planted on something like Mars with less gravity it should grow twice as tall. Of course you would run into issues of needing liquid water for the tree to drink... Maybe one could be planted at the bottom of Hellas impact basin, which according to Google 8km (5 miles) the reference level. Being that low may increase the air pressure as well meaning there would be more co2 for Mr., Or Mrs. tree to breath. :) Of course introducing non native plants to Mars mat be a bad idea, but this is a thought experiment after all. :)
Elden Ring does take place on earth, for those wondering. There are a few lines and spells that reference Earth, and I believe one spell even flat out says that you pull rocks up from the earth.
2:45 After 10 meters, the water started to boil? 🤔 SAM...?!? 7:00 You could take the amount of time that the main-character's initial jump's time started and ended, in the instance where the main-character do a roll? For example? 🤔
A huge problem is the fact that a planet small enough to support a tree that large would have trouble having any meaningful atmosphere to support the tree's life.
I think the 500 meters height is wrong. I've seen other calculations that put the Erdtree's height at 16,562 feet tall which includes above and below ground.
Could you not measure the rate of gravity in elden ring and reverse calculate the radius the planet would have to be to support the accurate hight of the tree and then determine if it would be possible?
Sometimes I wonder if the tree N4 holla and the Tree of Life in mythology could in fact become that large. Much like the tree in Elden ring or Secret of Mana games. And if possible, how long would it really take? And to that point how large could any other tree grow, much like the Giant Sequoia?
real talk, I was finding my elden ring inputs being sluggish or inconsistent (replicated when traversing menus, too) try plugging the usb cable in and setting the controller to use usb instead of blue tooth, no clue why (since it's only ever happened with elden ring) but it fixed it.
Disappointed nobody simply measured the gravity in Elden Ring. Also, it's possible the Urd tree uses active pumping, or maybe osmotic pressure at the base
I love the idea of Kyle playing the game, then getting so mad that he started to think about the science of the Erdtree to calm himself.
Lol
I mean, is that not what everyone does?
@@damonf4340 I was busy waiting for the reviews, and watching some gameplay, so I could avoid this frustration.
I'll wait for a mod to fix all the issues, then maybe consider buying it..
@@Unsensitive I'd recommend waiting for a patch that could maybe add some balance to Malenia, if you have a touchy relationship with the god known as RN Gesus...
@@pfagan24 they havent fixed the stutters, input delay
There are floating rocks in Elden Ring, so if the tree incorporates that anti-grav mineral, well, anything is possible?
considering the fact that the source of the golden order is a primordial outer god, and that outer space is very neatly tied to gravity magic in regards to worldbuilding, it isn't impossible. Although, gravity magic is color coded exclusively to be purple in the game, so it's rather unlikely.
One of the bosses general rahdan literally keeps stars in place with gravity magic and that’s your question? Fair enough
@@whatthewhatthe9117 it's not a matter of could it, it's a matter of would it.
@@drftr6073 Spoilers ahead: There is an area and fight that literally is outside of Time in this universe. A lot of stuff can happen. That being said, the Erd Tree takes root deep deep underground to a level where you can fight Astel the Naturalborn--geographically. it's in a different area, however, but the fact someone of Empyrean lineage can learn and use magic hints at something. it is more likely than you think. Not to mention the young and minor Erdtrees that can sprout wherever it so pleases.
Although, Gravity and other sorcery is under the umbrella where people learned these abilities, so it may be that it is of a different nature to the erdtree entirely... but this doesn't explain the weird end game boss flying about. I have not structured this whatsoever, but it's food for thought.
True. But he explicitly postulates the existence of the Erdtree in our universe, on Earth.
Kyle: "I don't like magic, boo!"
Also Kyle: "'Magic is my favorite game of all time!"
The quote liberals don't want you to see
The duality of man
It's all in good fun, I also much agree with both of those things.
But I do have one question, aside from gravity, would the atmosphere composition / density also play a role ion the maximum tree's size?
Considering the ridiculous size of the giant ants and the giant dragonflies, we can infer the oxygen levels are much higher than on earth for example, so how would different kind / quantity of gasses affect plant growth?
Next time someone says magic doesn't exist, show them the trading card game. You will be technically correct. The very best kind of correct.
@@domomitsune5920 Or yah know show them a smartphone and tell them to explicitly tell you how it works...cause magic is just science that one doesn't understand and I definably don't understand how most modern electronics work. Well beyond "it seems run on some form electricity"...lol
I'm honestly a little disappointed that, when you talked about equations making sense in real life, you didn't look at the structural integrity of a tree/wood to see if it would be crushed under its own weight by a certain height.
I've estimated that once! Tree bark, as long as it is reasonably healthy, can sustain the weight of more than 3,000 meters of itself. Surprisingly, legos can too.
Oh, you expected real science.
@@deheavon6670 Conclusion: Trees are made from legos! :D
I think we should also figure out what the gravity of the world of Elden Ring may be, which could be done by figuring out what the speed is at which we fall in the game. My hypothesis is that the world of Elden Ring is some-what smaller than Earth, since falling in Elden Ring is a bit floaty and slow.
Its thickness should support it esspecially since its also sorta made by freakin gods
I was watching a documentary recently that explained one factor that allowed the Redwoods to grow so tall was fog. It stated that thick fog was natural to the area and allowed the trees to absorb some of their water through their leaves and trunks, reducing the need to pull it up from the ground. If this does play a role in their height, how does this change the theoretical limit (if it does at all)?
I have also seen that being said.
Zulie just did a video, the model actually reaches 4,5km up from where you're standing at the base, over 5km total model size
The salt is strong with this one. Don't worry, Kyle, you'll get through it.
Salt is just angry sugar.
the best way to say "git gud" i've read yet
Magic is easy mode! You can do it!
@@formschonerfettsack6989 "git gud" means "farm till you're overleveled" for me
@@pizzas4breakfast become dodge or parry god.
You know, the boiling might actually be what would help trees that tall. They would need a "vacuum tube" (in which water is pushed to make it to high elevations) in which water to boil, the vapors to rise, and then liquid water to be condensed by the biological heatsink known as leaves and branches. And if the bark is transparent and vacuum tubes are dark colored, with air-bubble gaps to insulate the exterior of the vacuum tube, then sunlight alone might be enough to help the vapors keep remaining water vapors and keep rising just as fast instead of stopping their rise part-way through. This could allow trees on Earth to reach the orbit, if carefully designed and aided to do so.
Good theory, until you said they *could* be *designed* to reach Earth orbit. They don't naturally...so....then they can't do it naturally because, if they could, we'd have found them.
Yeah I don't know what more to say about that. It was good until you started speculating.
@@xantishayde-walker4593 Just because something doesn't exist now doesn't mean it can't exist eventually. Your comment didn't exist before you posted it, but now it does. Would we assume that because it didn't exist before it was impossible for that comment to exist?
@@GambitsEnd No but it would be reasonable to assume that it could very well exist, due to the fact of my having a computer and phone which allow me the ability to leave such comments, internet access thru said devices, the ability to see, hear and feel in order to be able to post such comments, access to the platform on which comments are left, an account in good standing that enables me to leave such comments and the knowledge to access and use the platform to post such comments.
So therefore, it's very reasonable to assume that one such as myself could not only possibly leave a comment, like I have, they could also assume it's probable that I would, seeing as I am interested in debating such things.
Now, it's not probable for such trees to exist, like we see in Elden Ring, mainly because we have no evidence of any such tress existing due to the fact that none have ever been discovered, as far as I know.
It's also fairly improbable for such trees to exist because none have ever been discovered, that I'm aware of. The closest thing we have on Earth would be the "General Sherman" Giant Sequoia in the Sequoia National Park, which is 274.9 *ft* high or about 84 meters.
It's bark is not transparent, it doesn't seem to have dark tubes to carry moisture up to the top of the tree and it's naturally occurring. While it's fantastic and out of the range of what most people experience, it's an everyday observation that they are there, for the people who live and work near or in the forest and any who visit on a regular basis.
So, for a tree to exist that is orders of magnitude larger than that, say oh Idk, ~14k ft or 4.4k meters tall, is at the least extremely improbable if not nearly impossible to believe.
11:24 Something that might interest folks: farmers and loggers have been using a variation of this phenomenon to kill invasive gorse and scotch broom in my area for years. They make a deep cut in the plant and smother it with a mixture of fertilizer and heavy duty herbicide. The idea is that the injured plant will suck up the nutrients in an effort to repair itself, but die from the poison it takes in. Kind of like hiding arsenic in cake. Now, I can show this clip to all the old-timers and let them know they can skip the fertilizer. Negative pressure will take care of the rest. 😁👍🤣
Hold up. The cake is poisoned?
That's cheating!
I was told I got to choose between cake or death. I choose cake. My cake should not contain any death. Now I gotta find a mouse to test my cake.
I guess the cake is a lie after all.
I'd imagine it would work just as well without the nutrients but what do I know.
Is there a reason they don't just cut the tree down?
@@stevenscott2136 Gorse and scotch broom shrubs have notoriously persistent root systems. If you just cut them down or pull them up by the roots and don't get every last bit, they simply grow back with a vengeance. Plus, an added benefit to killing the whole shrub in place is that it helps the landowner keep track of areas they've already treated.
@@NicholasMarshall: See, that's why you should always choose the chicken. Yes, it's bland as all hell, and a little overcooked (bullshit, it's more rubbery than a hockey puck slapshot into a tire factory!), but that's the way things go on _Anglican Airlines._
This is probably the earliest I've ever been to one of your videos so I'll take another crack at it. I would LOVE to see you crunch the numbers for the "Rhino Stomp" in Warframe. The ability states "Rhino stomps with force sufficient to disrupt time". No weird energy or tech bs just straight force since there is another frame that messes with time but specifically states she's using a device to do so while this specifies force. Now theoretically it is possible to disrupt time with a significant enough burst of energy but I'm fairly certain the forces required to do so would wipe a planet clean of life if not blink it out of existence.
wait how is it possible to "disrupt time with a burst of energy" ? fill me in please
“I pressed dodge” honestly I feel that. So many times have I thought I pressed the button to drink one of my health flasks but nope. Input didn’t register and I die. Thank you Science Boi for telling us about big gold tree. I shall listen to the videos loading screen tips and help boost engagement.
Dodge activates on the release of the button. Because sprint uses the same button and activates on press. So a quick press is what you need instead of a slower more intentional press.
That's why it feels delayed or doesn't seem to register.
i dont think most elden ring players would like dark souls 2 at all, its everything that makes people rage in 1 game
Just get good, that simple. Or choose a Ranged attack character.
@@chromaticabberationsgiveme9811 my mind is a twisted landscape and and my body is scars but I conquered that beast and will never return
@@graydi66y That's not the only reason. The game actually has input lag issues. It's been the case for these games for a long time. Input Lag is a demon that Fromsoft has never been able to defeat, unfortunately.
Erdtree model is 5000 meters high, 4452 of them being above ground.
The amount that i want to see the face cam stream of Kyle’s attempts to become the Elden Lord is almost as high as the great tree itself…
I kinda wished this video included the Game Theory thing where we measure what the gravity in this world is by jumping off things.
Could this be a hidden villain?
Be wary of decoy
What if they grew little bark cup hole with tubes that collect water for the top of the tree
vanilla orchids have roots along the entire length, so it’s not impossible. even on earth.
Loved the intro using only static images! Simply amazing
Btw what Kyle is saying about delayed input is true but it has a reason. The dodge button is the same button as sprint and you hold to sprint. So the game has to figure out whether you're trying to sprint or dodge. So it just lets you dodge on release, not on press. If it did it on press you couldn't sprint. If they put dodge on A/X then sprint jumping would be very difficult. And other buttons would be awkward or have their own problems. So this is what we get.
The minor erdtrees are probably pretty realistic since they are like the size of redwood trees on Earth
Bruh, I like the third person camera. In fact, I shudder to imagine pulling off the same maneuvers in first person.
And the delay on rolling comes from the game waiting for you to release the button, as holding it would mean running instead.
"Booting up the game, instantly dying to the Tree Sentinal, and rage quitting" Man this hits home...
Kyle: *presses dodge*
Trinity: "Dodge this!"
8:00 did anyone else flinch when the basilisk appeared? looks like I have a strong reaction against snakes lol
5:27 cool math, but people that have actually hacked the game to measure its true size, is more than 4.5 km (4500m +)
sources: ZullieTheWitch
Zulie the Witch made a video where they found out the Erdtree is actually, 14,000 ft tall. so uh, yeah I don't think it could last on earth.
0:44 I was really expecting to hear a sir Gideon joke here
I agree with your assessment Kyle but i would like to draw your attention for a moment to probably my favorite exoplanet. Gliese 436B, a planet in the leo constellation that is x15 closer to its star then Mercury is to ours, travels around its star in 2 1/5 days, its surface temperature is 840F. Yet despite being beyond its own melting point, its surface is entirely covered in ice. Now I realize that because of its immense gravity that the few trace amounts of water vapor that manage to form are then (by gravity) forced back into a solid. So if a planet like that, and many other strange and bizarre planets like it, can exist. Im sure that theres one out there somewhere with 500m tall trees. And id love to see it someday.
What is funny is he could have used the ingame Basilisk...Guess having a spikey tree burst out of the back of your spine into the ground and supspend you into the air(can we all agree new death blight is the most metal instadeath in these games) would be hard to make animated
the dodge roll begins on button release, and not button press, because running is on the same button and holding the button initiates running. so they check for an early release of the button before running initiates in order to start the dodge roll. you're welcome.
I can see why you wouldn't want to consider factors like atmosphere composition, rotation speed and maximum jet stream wind speed. If you accounted for all the variables you'd have to create a planet with perfect conditions for a tree like that to grow.
Era tree is less of a tree and more of a giant divine alien soul recycling machine.
Every time Kyle said dodge I pictured Piccolo from Dragon Ball Z yelling "Dodge"
I would've done soo much better in Community College Chem last term if the prof made us calculate the theoretical maximum height of the Erd Tree. This is so cool
Not even a Guy with a magnificent Beard can dodge Roko's Basilisk.
I've been wondering about this for a while now ever since I started my Elden Ring gameplay. I'm glad someone is finally tackling this question.
By the grace of the Valar, yes. Long burn the memories of Telperion the Silver and Laurelin the Gold!
That is such a straight up rip off of the Two Trees of Valinor…Telperion and Laurelin
You are talking about how tall can trees grows on other planets or in this planet but why not how small human like species and other creatures can be on other planets to make these trees look big? The glass is not always half full. Gotta discuss about the half emptiness sometime also.
As an Arborist I brought this up with some of my coworkers and we spent about an hour talking about all the factors you didn't include and how we felt you went about it the wrong way.
Well then post your video of faults
@@mchalio80 cameras and mics cost money
i read that as "abortioninst" :P
The tree glows from the inside. There's obviously magic at work.
Counterpoint: when you look at the Erdtree from a distance (and maybe also up close? I haven't gotten close enough to check) it's semi-transparent. You can see land and structures on the far side of the tree, through its trunk. And there are Erdtree saplings dotted around the map that are also golden yellow, yet transparent. A hollow tree, however that might work, would be much lighter than a solid tree, and could be much more capable of growing to incredible heights, taller than Earthly redwoods and potentially as tall as the Erdtree.
That said, such trees have no true analogue here on Earth, so it's impossible to speculate how they might work.
But Kalender what about the trees on Pandora the Planet from the Avatar movie. The good one with the Navi. How can they be so large?
Ok, you covered how TALL a tree can get. Now, consider a tree of the same proportions as visible in that game, and what other factors could limit overall size. For instance, calculate how thick those main branches from the trunk are, and determine if they could support the weight they apparently are, or withstand shear forces created by relatively normal wind conditions. This could force your max height waaaay down for a tree this shape, further limiting the range of possible mass and volume of the planet (or vice versa).
OR… do measurements in game (like gravitational acceleration tests, and assuming the tree is the max size a tree can be) to attempt to determine the actual mass and volume of the world the game takes place on. You know, for fun. I definitely won’t do it, but I’d watch it!
I think 500 meters is a slight underestimation, that tree is a chonky boi
i would estimate size of lands between by comparing fall damage distance to earth, someone made a video explaining how fall damage works in elden ring and basically it's fall over 16m starts to hurt and over 20 kills by comparing these numbers to earths relative numbers you could get rough mass/gravity comparison
9:31 "Artificial Difficulty"
Hollow Knight is particularly egregious at this.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." ~Arthur C. Clarke
7:59 all hail the basilisk
The way you say "poor tarnished" lol 😆 😂
Couldn't the tree have internal reservoirs at certain intervalls?
Like in, he reached the maximum pulling distance from the ground, creates a sponge-like reservoir with "pulling leaves" on that level, continues growing and repeats that process. It would alter its appearance from what is shown in the game and would look like more stepped between layers, but I think it'd be possible.
If you know a counter argument, please let me know.
One note … who knows for certain the tree feeds on water and not on the souls of the tarnished that die over and over
You just know that Kyle favours gravity magic in Elden Ring.
9:40 the game actually makes you dodge when you release the dodge button, not when you press it. Probably so you can sprint with the same button.
oh Hyperion had a huge tree called a World Tree which were to be converted into a spaceships :D
If by input delay you're talking about the delay between the button press and the input being registered that's more of a technical issue that's not really in the developers control.
If you're talking about startup animations, fromsoft uses that for the same reason other games like Smash and other action/fighting games include it as well. It's because having startup animations means in a boss fight you need to react quickly and pay attention to the boss' animations in advance of the attack coming out. In PVP it's way more important. Not having startup runs the danger of either nobody being able to hit eachother because anybody can just immediately roll out of an attack, or attacks come out almost immediately and they become completely unavoidable.
How destructive would Gypsy Danger gave been in a nuclear meltdown like in the end of Pacific Rim?
What if the tree had an active method of pulling water up into itself?
In a lot of cases, using the argument "it exists because of magic" would be a copout, but in the case of the Erdtrees of Elden Ring, it would actually help describe why they exist. Simply put, as far as the game is concerned, the Erdtrees are pretty much like massive, eldritch, magical parasites, thriving off of the dead of the land. Hell, some may think that they aren't really trees, but rather aliens, ancient aliens.
Also, if we're to try and figure out the relative size and mass of the world that the Lands Between exists on, we could perhaps take the fall speed of the game in mind and consider that the speed at which stuff falls relative to that world's gravity, and in turn finding out the possible gravity of said world? It may not help much in the grand scheme of things, but it's at least a starting point.
why should it even have gravity if the world doesnt operate by the same law if physics that we have to begin with? lol
Nice but as gravity goes down so does atmosphere density. So instead of taking a little bit of magic, it would take a lot! of magic.
Plateaus look like giant tree stumps.
The maidens joke broke me.
Have you tried actually timed the lag? It might just be some wiff frames at the end of the attack you need to finish for not poking at the right time
The bigger question is, what about the weight of the branches.
What if it was planted on something like Mars with less gravity it should grow twice as tall. Of course you would run into issues of needing liquid water for the tree to drink... Maybe one could be planted at the bottom of Hellas impact basin, which according to Google 8km (5 miles) the reference level. Being that low may increase the air pressure as well meaning there would be more co2 for Mr., Or Mrs. tree to breath. :) Of course introducing non native plants to Mars mat be a bad idea, but this is a thought experiment after all. :)
500m? I bet it's way taller than that.. I guess we'll have to wait for Zullie the witch to make a video on it
...aaand I was exactly right, Zullie delivered and this was off by a factor 10
I was the only one who noped when i saw the Tree Sentinel full armour and halberd?
So a redwood on Mars would actually be a space elevator?
Elden Ring does take place on earth, for those wondering. There are a few lines and spells that reference Earth, and I believe one spell even flat out says that you pull rocks up from the earth.
Earth doesn't necessarily have to refer to this specific planet, often it's used as a synonym for dirt or ground.
@@Galamoth06 cope
2:45 After 10 meters, the water started to boil? 🤔
SAM...?!?
7:00 You could take the amount of time that the main-character's initial jump's time started and ended, in the instance where the main-character do a roll?
For example? 🤔
I never even knew you left because science. Super happy to have found your new channel.
Kyle Hill just scaled the Urd Tree ☠
Could the tree survive on collected water from the atmosphere? Like if the leaves were at the cloud level?
Turn on game mode on your tv kyle. Higher refresh rate gets rid of the input lag
what if the tree isn't huge, but the inhabitants of this world are tiny?
I fucking love science videos born from ideas in video games.
LOL you got killed by the Basilisk Endeavor Harry Potter commercial pops up
0:19 ; "beeeg"
great video
A huge problem is the fact that a planet small enough to support a tree that large would have trouble having any meaningful atmosphere to support the tree's life.
that is entirely respectable malekith death count
if you think theres a delay in your dodge in this game, youre smoking something nice
I think the 500 meters height is wrong. I've seen other calculations that put the Erdtree's height at 16,562 feet tall which includes above and below ground.
Could you not measure the rate of gravity in elden ring and reverse calculate the radius the planet would have to be to support the accurate hight of the tree and then determine if it would be possible?
The tree in Elden ring isn't tall the people are just tiny
Look up, root pressure. It will add to it.
Sir Kyle Hill, The ALL KNOWING.
9:47 someone doesn't have their tv set to game mode
But what about calculating the gravity of The Lands Between?
I love that a lot of this video was just you crapping on Elden Ring. Lol.
What if the tree isn't big, but everything else is just very small
Kyle is the only man talking about the garbage input delay on the souls games and I love him for it
still disappointed that you didn't also discuss bioluminescence
Just found u again didn’t even know u had another Channel❤️
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How much weight is radahn and why he is brony
Sometimes I wonder if the tree N4 holla and the Tree of Life in mythology could in fact become that large. Much like the tree in Elden ring or Secret of Mana games. And if possible, how long would it really take? And to that point how large could any other tree grow, much like the Giant Sequoia?
real talk, I was finding my elden ring inputs being sluggish or inconsistent (replicated when traversing menus, too) try plugging the usb cable in and setting the controller to use usb instead of blue tooth, no clue why (since it's only ever happened with elden ring) but it fixed it.
There's no magic, the Erd tree just leveled STR and END.
I suspect the Erdtree doesn't need water...
Yay! I miss these types of vidoes!
You can’t dodge the basilisk. You’ve already heard about him.
Disappointed nobody simply measured the gravity in Elden Ring. Also, it's possible the Urd tree uses active pumping, or maybe osmotic pressure at the base