I have 2 Taiwanese friends. Popular band members in the 1990s. I met them in Taiwan this year. They mentioned that the educational system remove Taiwan's historical connection to Chinese dynasties. This is how deep the DDP will go to severe Taiwan's ties to the mainland.
Heres how desperate things are right now. 2 weeks ago when Andy Lau, HK singer, went to perform in Taiwan and he was criticized by the DPP for spreading chinese propaganda by singing a song called Chinese people. Funny enough there was so much backlash from netizens to call out the ignorance. The song was written and directed by a taiwanese back in 1996. This song was specifically made for the hand over of HK from the british by Taiwan!
They did that with Hong Kong too. People can only rely on source outside of educational system to learn their own history. There were riots, injustice and corruption done to the HK people under the Brit's rules.
@ftu2021 Wow. I am dumb-founded on how identity and historical link was being erased. I was in Taiwan during that concert which was delayed by typhoon. Stayed at a hotel near the stadium. Look how these people become low for wanting to detach from history and China.
Propaganda is a very strong & effective mechanism that imperialists use to sever a people from their historical roots & facts. This has worked well in Taiwan, HK and Africa. Carried out for over 70 years it becomes an even bigger behemoth to attempt to dismantle..it is possible but it takes a vigorous revolutionary change to the current systems in place like Education, political systems, media networks etc....there is hope b/c look at the Sahelian States....they are slowly dismantling the propagandistic imperialist networks channeling Chairman Mao and the Chinese cultural revolution of 1949. Taiwan will eventually come around as well. Chinese strategic patience will ensure this. God bless the CPC and may one China and reunification be nigh! :)
In addition to the USA viewing Taiwan as a giant military base, they also view Taiwanese people as potential soldiers for the US inevitable war against China.
First US is distracted with too many wars that they involved themselves and China isn’t. And clearly It will be very hard for the US far away to fight for a place on almost on China 🇨🇳 beach . China can take over this place within 24 hours if they want to but it looks they want to do it differently and try their own way .
Someone wrote these facts: US / America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question... Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 * 2014 - 2022 - 9 countries yet to verify. Pakistan 2022 * Haiti 2022 * Niger 2023 Haiti 2024 Congo 2024 *
You left out hundreds of broken treaties with the American Indians. But that was before WW2. As far as imperial power designs go, it formally started with the Monroe Doctrine of 1802, claiming the whole western hemisphere
All said, the position of Taiwan is not for those US led collective West to discuss. China never interfered with their internal affairs n they too should respect the sovereignty of other countries. The days when these western imperialist can decide on the fate of countries thousands of km away based on their military superiority is gone
Taiwan is a province of china it belongs to china this is china internal affair outsiders n busy bodies mind your own business if you have nothing better to do go n fly kite thank you
I’m an American, retired military officer, a conservative and I agree with you 100%. So many people here cannot see reality beyond their own brainwashing. I mean seriously, we almost went to war with the USSR over a few missiles in Cuba, not even having close a history to the US as Taiwan has to China. Taiwan has always belonged to China and always will and if I was Chinese I’d want to take it back asap. I’m sure the US politicians and most Americans would feel the same if the tables were reversed.
@@williamho1976 Even if the majority of Taiwanese people no longer see themselves as Chinese, they can not change their historical past, Chinese traditions, and culture. About 14% of Taiwanese people call themselves Chinese, and those who deeply believe they have nothing to do with the mainland are around 20%, meaning when the PLA one day lands in Taiwan, those who are sitting on the fence will switch to accept Beijing, after all this is a civil war.
Amanda and KJ, Google Maps has finally changed. Google Maps shows Taiwan as Chinese territory and labels it as Taiwan Province now. The trend of history is certainly irreversible. 😅
I’m thankful for this history primer about Taiwan. I had my secondary education in Morocco before moving to the US several decades ago. I thought I knew a little bit about China and Taiwan but I apparently missed an important part of that history. As your guest called it, history revisionism really got me this time. I’m a skeptic by nature and don’t trust western media at all because I see them lying and manipulating the news and facts on a daily basis regarding the Arab world, which is the region I’m most familiar with and concerned about. So the fact that the government in Taiwan ever claimed or was ever considered the government of the whole of China, rather than a former colony seeking independence was big news to. I always thought of Taiwan basically the same way I did Hong Kong. Thank you again
The faction that lost the civil war retreated to the island territory of CHINA and and is still trying to resist the winning government so yeah Taiwan is China 🤷🏾♂️
You are right not to trust western media but you can trust Ibn Battuta on geography. Don't think he made it to Taiwan though. Hong was excised by criminal force by the english and Queen Victoria was probably the biggest drug runner in history. She was delighted to grab Hong Kong and gloried in the spoils of what the english stole. The first Pekinese dog stolen from the imperial palace in Beijing was presented to her and she apparently called it "Looty" as it had been looted.
chinese history baically never changes.. always brothers fighting for succession, in today's case, 1 bro got the house, the other bro lost and took the security box and gate, then the loser bro hires some thugs to harrass the house.. of course the KMT and the pro status quos will never cede their claims towards the entire china by declaring independence.. but the pro independence are americans and japanese trying to take over taiwan for their own agendas..
You should stop being like most of my fellow Americans who only care about what happens around them. Most of the time it’s local stuff, which is why they do not know crap about the world and allow themselves to believe what our government tells them they the MSM, both left and right.
until the late 80s, the Taiwan Island was an important military base for US to invade mainland China, the island most famous slogan during that era was "counterattack and recapture the mainland", even until today Taiwan's constitution itself still stated clearly Taiwan is a province of China.
What annoys me is that they never talk about "Kinmen Islands." When China "enter Taiwan's water" they are always just near Kinmen. That's like if your neighbor claimed your mailbox as theirs. Everyday you drive your car in and out of your own garage, you passed that mailbox that you have given up. But this neighbor pulls a gun at you and yell that you were trasspassing. Then the Americans are saying it was a home invasion. 💀
And technically, even according to Taiwanese laws, Kinmen is still a part of the Fujian province... a basic fact that never changed since ancient times 😅
Actually the Biden administration recently overturned 70 years of the Truman Doctrine that rejected intervention in Kinmen Islands located only 6 miles from China but 100 miles from Taiwan, and sent US special forces and weapons to Kinmen some months ago. The US is stepping up its dangerous provocations in order to attempt to force China to strike first.
China sees Taiwan as a breakaway province. U.S. sees Taiwan not only a giant military base but also a bargaining chip on China. Philippines sees Taiwan as an opportunity to use Taiwan to create conflicts with China.
The Cuba comparison isn't good when you think it through. Cuba isn't a part of the U.S., Taiwan is a part of China. The USSR had every right to move missiles and soldiers there to protect Cuba from the U.S. and counter the missiles the U.S. had in Turkey.
How does the US government legally get around selling weapons to Taiwan? The official diplomatic stance is that Taiwan is the PRC so how can any deals like that even be possible on paper? I know that the US flaunts international law all the time, but such deals like that are not even legal per US law.
Bombama's terminology of "pivot" (to China) is really more accurately "spigot" (as in opening the U.S. Treasury for MIC and other profiteers of "the business") of war-making.
Taiwan Relations Act which was created at the same time as the One China Policy is an agreement that the US commit to help defend Taiwan as shown below: "the United States shall provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character and shall maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or social or economic system, of the people of Taiwan."
@@ResearchFirst-z7j The US should shove its acts and stay out of other people's backyards. Then a lot more people would not have died and continue to die. What an arrogance to pass acts about things outside your country. Even threatening to invade the Hague. Thats law of the jungle stuff and highly disgusting.
It is because Taiwan is part of China, not part of PRC. It has its own government although it is not a country. That government chooses to buy weapon from America.
Taiwan is a province of China. The constitution of the government, which is now administrating Taiwan, clearly stipulated that Taiwan is part of China.
For any US citizens or government officials to think that Taiwan is an unsinkable carrier, they’re truly still living in the past or simply living in denial in a different world today. What can the unsinkable carrier do when the supply lines are blockage? The days where this impossibility has been nibbed away. Any adversary foreign forces from the pacific to the South China Seas seas will be challenged by an equally formidable opposition with the support of the whole defence machinery on the mainland,(truly unsinkable) to stopped foreign bullies from ever repeating what they did in humiliating the Chinese again. The Chinese people will surely want to see how these foreign bullies react in defeat.
@@TennisArena365 Oh! Typical bully whose country acknowledges committed one agreement and practices another entirely opposite. Ok, Mr. Bully, how are you going to do it and with what? I supposed with the mighty aircraft carriers that shine away from the Houthi? China will send that fast moving objects along the Chinese shoreline towards targets at far more potent powers. Come on, those days are over. Grow up man.
Qiao collective is awesome. Also Pls invite Carl zha next time too. He's a treasure trove of historical and current information on China. Plus on China US relations 😊
The premium Semi-conductive company of Taiwan was actually initiated, supported and finally built by the Chinese government/Rep. of China who moved to the island after 1945, mostly in 1949; even its founder and the soul of TSMC, Morris Chang was grown up in China and didn't until 19. But after 30 years when it reaches top of the world, the incumbent pro-session DPP party touted it as its own and used it as a bait to lure U.S. to support its agenda and became its ally to counter China in the name of democracy, despite it rules like a dictator, controlling the news media and justice system, secretly persecuting its citizens who want to unite with motherland China as traitors.
Qiao collective helped me better understand the Tiananmen square incident.. was one of the first things that really helped me start to question the anti-china propaganda in australia and drop my biases replacing them with a new view of history we are definitely not told growing up here
Personally I've extended my BDS boycott to include any country that hosts US military bases (it's hard because I like a lot of Japanese/German products, but I look for alternatives as best as I can). I'm old enough to remember a time where toys were labelled “made in Taiwan ROC”. THANKS for putting this video out there 🙏🙏
Taiwan must be reunified with China for two reasons: 1. The credibility of the united nations where the great majority of the world including the usa have acknowledged the one china policy and Taiwan belongs to China. 2. The idea of unity of China has been borne since the time of the great grandfather of the first emperor Qin Shi Huang more than 2200 years ago.Taiwan cannot be an independent country since the people are basically Chinese from the mainland and the island belongs to China since the ancient time. Allowing Taiwan to be independent is equavalent to breaking the unity of china apart. It is just unimaginable and against the spirit of the unity of China.
Firstly, just because Taiwan may not legally be recognized as a state does not automatically hand sovereignty of the island to the PRC. There are no internationally recognised treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. Also, historically, China has had minimal control over the island of Taiwan, I will explain further below. Now some facts about Taiwan: 1: The island now known as Taiwan was inhabited and ruled by the aborigines for approximately 30,000 years. 2: When the Dutch arrived in 1626 most of the population of Formosa were the Yuanzhumin or Gaoshan people (who have no DNA link back to China) 3: The Qing had minimal control of Taiwan in fact the Qing only managed to rule less than 20% of the island while the aborigines ruled and controlled over 80% of the island. The Qing created a border in 1750 with rocks which was called the Tu Niu Red Line. The Japanese were the first country to colonise Formosa and create roads and infrastructure.. 4: Due to the lack of control, the Qing did not declare Formosa a Province of the Qing until 1895 as the Japanese was encroaching on the island. The island was handed to Japan soon after. 5: Over the past 400 years the island has been partially ruled by 5 different governments but it was only the Japanese and ROC who had full control of the entire island. 6: Historically the CCP recognized Formosan independence. In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China. (look up Edgar Snow interview)) 7: The Cairo Declaration 1943 discussed the possibility of handing the island of Taiwan to the ROC. This discussion required a treaty to become official and was never implemented. 8: The PRC constitution was formed in 1949 yet Taiwan was not added to it until 1978. 9: The ROC were granted a caretaker role of Formosa after WW2 but when the ROC escaped to the island it still legally belonged to Japan. 10: When Japan relinquished its sovereignty of Taiwan with The Treaty of San Francisco after the ROC invaded the Japanese island, China was not even invited. The treaty was signed by 49 nations but both the ROC and CCP were NOT present. 11: The One China Policy, Un Resolution 2758 or the Treaty of San Francisco do not declare that Taiwan is a province of China. There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. The only legal way that Taiwan can amalgamate with China is if they agree to a treaty ceding their sovereignty. Whether Taiwan is considered a country or not does not automatically grant China with sovereignty of the region.
@@zeissiez Incorrect the CCP merely got greedy. The was never over Taiwan and Taiwan belonged to Japan during the civil war. October 1, 1949, at 3:00 pm in Tienanmen Square the formation of the Central People's Government under the leadership of the CPC, the government of the new state, was officially proclaimed. Mao declared victory to the people stating “The poor peasants have conquered the country; the poor peasants should now sit on the country.” “It is because we have defeated the reactionary Kuomintang government backed by U.S. imperialism that this great unity of the whole people has been achieved. In a little more than three years the heroic Chinese People's Liberation Army, “ The CCP won the civil war and the PRC was formed and the ROC escaped to the still official Japanese island of Formosa in 1949 The war is over. FACT When the CCP created their constitution Taiwan was not even added until 1978. Lol The 1978 Constitution was the first Constitution in the PRC to touch explicitly on the political status of Taiwan. It said that "Taiwan is part of China" and said that the PRC "must liberate Taiwan, and finish the great task of reunifying the motherland". However, in 1979, the PRC dropped the liberation stance and opted for peaceful reunification instead. The 1982 Constitution mentioned that "Taiwan is a sacred part of the territory of the People's Republic of China" instead of just "China".
@@ResearchFirst-z7j Your argument actually said that during the ROC's reign, Taiwan is not a part of China. No? So Chiang Kai-Shek invaded Taiwan? hahaha
@@zeissiez The war was never over Taiwan and Taiwan belonged to Japan during the civil war. October 1, 1949, at 3:00 pm in Tienanmen Square the formation of the Central People's Government under the leadership of the CPC, the government of the new state, was officially proclaimed. Mao declared victory to the people. The CCP won the civil war and the PRC was formed and the ROC escaped to the still official Japanese island of Formosa in 1949 When the CCP created their constitution Taiwan was not even added until 1978. Lol The 1978 Constitution was the first Constitution in the PRC to touch explicitly on the political status of Taiwan. It said that "Taiwan is part of China" and said that the PRC "must liberate Taiwan, and finish the great task of reunifying the motherland". However, in 1979, the PRC dropped the liberation stance and opted for peaceful reunification instead. The 1982 Constitution mentioned that "Taiwan is a sacred part of the territory of the People's Republic of China" instead of just "China".
Exactly same tactic used by the US in Ukraine & Taiwan. Both were used to fight Russia & China. We all can see the results of war in Ukraine. Taiwanese, don't let the same happen in your country.
China Taipei ppl, look at Ukraine !!! Speaking of which: Everybody should be pushing for this madness of the USA/EU govs to STOP ASAP !!! A global armed conflict, with several players having "mushrooms" is NOT a silly thing, it's not a movie, it's something very real and destructive beyond imagination.
exactly, crimea and donbass voted to secede from ukraine - then they were ignored and taken over by ukraine nationalist troops (with a long history connected to the nazis). similarly, taiwan isn't even given a referendum to choose independence OR unification. let taiwan choose what taiwan will be. no more imperialist chess.
@@kylezo Exactly. On one hand, the history of Taiwan and China goes way back; i think Taiwan is more part of China than Hawaii is of the USA. Similar thing with Ukraine and Russia, they have a history that goes waaay before the USSR; so let them be. On the other hand, as u mentioned, it's just imperialist chess; what would it happen if Russia puts a military base in Tijuana? Well, we already know bc something like that already happened: the Cuban missiles crisis. And what the US did back then ??
Taiwan was ceded to Japan after the Sins Japanese war in 1900s. It was returned to China at the end of WWII. The losing KMT retreated to Taiwan after it lost the civil wzr in 1949. Then the west intervened and shielded its from the advancing CPC. Then armed and financed its survival to 6se as a barrier and blockading carrier. Its an interrupted civil war. Its this simple. No other version needed.
With the surrounding of China by the US and continuous provocations by the US, China is very very patience. But, patience have limits. Just don’t use Taiwan as a proxy like Ukraine, as China and Taiwan are bonded in blood. The Philippines is a different story.
IMO this is between the Taiwanese and Chinese people. They clearly have legitimate reasons for not wanting to be part of the CPC, it can’t all be just “muh America bad”, even tho America is indeed bad and plays a part for sure. They are a people who are able to decide their own destiny, and they’ve chosen to diverge from the mainland. I have an idyllic hope war will not come of this, but China has already declared its policy on Taiwan and if there’s one think I can understand about Chinese politics, appearances and maintaining face is very important, and they will lose face and be humiliated geopolitically if they don’t press the point of Taiwan being part of China, and diplomacy will only go so far and last so long before material and political conditions make war over the island more preferable to peace without it. That moment may come soon.
It’s 36,193 sq kilometers of land out of 9.6 million sq kilometers. 24 million people out of 1.4 billion. Taiwan doesn’t even put a noticeable dent in these numbers. I hope the CCP will never reach the levels of foolhardiness that US has exhibited for the past 100 years. Bc that invasion just sounds like some kind of disaster war the US would wage. They would end the world being the very thing they despise and disparage in the USA.
@@williamho1976 I guess you can proudly tell us how many countries and governments in the world have a 'One Taiwan Policy' right? I Googled, it's 'ZERO'
It is very true that the US strategically backs separatist forces when it suits their interests. They’ve illegally overthrown countless regimes around the world, all while declaring themselves the “beacon of freedom”. But this does not mean that Taiwanese people are eager for reunification with China and held back solely by Americans fomenting separatism. Two things can be true at the same time. After having de-facto independence for 70 plus years, Taiwanese people have developed their own social, cultural, economic, and political identity that they do not want to lose. They choose not to declare independence in order to avoid war, not because they don’t desire self-determination. If China wants peaceful reunification, it must offer some form of true political autonomy (HK-style “autonomy” won’t cut it)
In a 1972 joint communiqué with the PRC, the United States "acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China" and "does not challenge that position." It reaffirms the U.S. interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question.
There were three communiques. The final 1982 communique states: " Government of the United States of America acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China." This statement does not declare that the US agrees with China's position it simply acknowledges or recognizes ambitions. The US position on Taiwan is not mentioned.
@ More US warmongering ? 7-8 micro nations officially recognize Taiwan ! One China policy 1972 signed by Truman and still on the state dept website ! 98% of the world accept Taiwan is Chinese
Taiwan was not a Chinese province. Well, for about ten years before it was taken away from it by Japan in 1895. When the KMT took over the island at the end of the anti-Japanese War the reaction from the indigenous people and the long-term Fujian migrants was so violent that the KMT had to commit an atrocity followed by very big oppression for decades in order to take over the island. The KMT and the refugees from the Civil War were invaders and have remained invaders. Taiwan was never a true province of China. Read a little Taiwan history ffs. China is the all-time world champion of lying to itself and to everyone else, with America coming in a very close second.
Nicely put. You are well researched and well spoken but I will share two interesting facts that you may know. 1: Historically the CCP recognized Formosan independence. In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China for centuries, as insisted by the Chinese government today. Interview with Mao in 1936 An interview sourced from the Marxist Archive demonstrates this. Interviewer EDGAR SNOW: “Is it the immediate task of the Chinese people to regain all the territories lost to Japan, or only to drive Japan from North China, and all Chinese territory above the Great Wall? “ MAO: “It is the immediate task of China to regain all our lost territories, not merely to defend our sovereignty below the Great Wall. This means that Manchuria must be regained. We do not, however, include Korea, formerly a Chinese colony, but when we have re-established the independence of the lost territories of China, and if the Koreans wish to break away from the chains of Japanese imperialism, we will extend them our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies to Formosa.” Source: Marxists Internet Archive 2: Mao had no interest in Taiwan (only interested in the ROC) and Taiwan was not even added to the PRC constitution until 1978 after his death. The 1978 PRC Constitution was the first Constitution in the PRC to touch explicitly on the political status of Taiwan. It said that "Taiwan is part of China" and said that the PRC "must liberate Taiwan, and finish the great task of reunifying the motherland". However, in 1979, the PRC dropped the liberation stance and opted for peaceful reunification instead. The 1982 Constitution mentioned that "Taiwan is a sacred part of the territory of the People's Republic of China" instead of just "China". Just sharing some interesting facts. Enjoy
If both sides of leader in PRC and ROC can sit down and discuss this matter for the sake of both Chinese, this matter will be solved immediately. The unfortunate reality is will the USA allow that.
And that was what they did between 2008 and 2016 .. called the golden era of Taiwan China relationship! They even signed bilateral agreements between Xi and Ma. Guess what happened when the two became close? Student Revolution and Protest ... just like the Maidan protest .. which led to a regime change. After DPP took over, they, cut all ties and communication with China .. and tore up all the bilateral agreements. Everyone knows the US is behind this.
Taiwan belongs to the indigenous peoples not the people that came to the island in the 1600s. Their languages and customs have slowly eroded even though various attempts by governments including current one has tried to alleviate some of the problems. Indigenous people are always at the whatya call it darn it forgot 😑😑
One way to resolve this conflict peacefully is for the US and Japan to offer citizenship to those who do not wish to be part of China. They are free to go even if this means the population is halved. More dignity this way than be forced to leave as boat refugees!
I wanted to say the same. For those who choose to leave and go to US/JP but don’t ever call yourself Chinese or claim any traditions. Cut off all links to your past and start anew as US/JP. Same thing Britain offered to HK, everyone’s happy.
Thank you Amanda, KJ and esteemed guest Charles Xu for an enlightening conversation. May Allah hasten the one China policy and reunification for all historical peoples of the Chinese island archipelagos :)🫶🙏🤲♥️🌹
Loved your point about the statistically poor argument of "listen to the Taiwanese people." The vast majority either want to maintain the status quo or reunify with China, while only a vocal minority single digit percentage, want a sharp independence declaration -- an independence, like you said, that is ONLY independence from China, not full, autonomous independence. The DPP's "independence" is absolutely just becoming a US vassal and military base for aggression against China.
It is striking and encouraging how China influences its population in a constructive and intelligent way to let social life take place in a safe, responsible way. This admirable involvement is the basis for a healthy society. Americans are still in a primitive state in this, they have Disneyland, Hollywood and fast, fast, faster then fast food to educate their people. To go to Starbucks after their successful day....
Actually Taiwan got nothing to do with US. Do you know how money and gold Cheng Kai Shek and wife took to America? And which US bank benefited the most???
ROC lost th civilwar and retired to taiwan island. PRC was not strong in economy and military in that time. This is the situation Same to say today Trump lost election and retire to Alaska declaring indenpednt country. It's illegal and no-sense
Please forgive me for asking questions out of ignorance i just want to better understand. I believe in the self determination, and independence of people so from my understanding if Taiwanese people want to be independent they have every right to be. Here's my question if Taiwan, peacefully becomes a china province, do they still get to be called Taiwan, and Taiwanese? I'm sorry i know that's a dumb question i guess for some reason i thought Taiwan becoming a part of china they'd lose their Taiwanese identity, and culture. But they wouldn't right? They'd just be a part of china, but still be called Taiwan, speak Taiwanese, and have their traditions, and cultures right? It was hearing the phrase Taiwan is a Chinese province, that made me question what i thought i knew. Especially after learning in the video that if Taiwan does become a china province they can still apply to be independent. Would Taiwan still be able to make really cool art like that Taiwanese game company Red Candle with theur games Devotion, & Detention? The first Taiwanese horror film i ever saw was Incantation, and it was really good film. I also saw The Sadness, which was a crazy film. Anyways would they still be able to have the freedom to make art like those games, and films? Ultimately I've been learning a lot about US foreign affairs this year, and as an American i see my country as the world's terrorist, and i hope to see the fall of the US imperialist empire, and fall of the US dollar dominance. I learned so much from the China Report, about BRICS, and the Belt Road Initiative, i really hope they're both successful as they'd be great for other countries to be able to trade amongst each other without going through the US, and the US dollar. Anyways, the way i been thinking about Taiwan, is seeing the US using it as a proxy state against China, just like how Israel is a proxy state to continue stealing oil from the Near East, and trying to use Ukraine as a proxy state against Russia. The US doesn't care about the independence, and freedom of the Taiwanese, we're just using them as a pawn yo continue maintaining the US imperialist empire hegemony.
@@denisross2923 You are right but…..unfortunately, the reality has changed. Today’s not the Qin dynasty, the weak and corrupted government they are facing. If Japan still harbours that objective, the end results for them is worse as the Chinese have many scores to settle. They know(US and allies) that they can’t war a war with China and do wanted to destabilise China using Taiwan as a stepping stone to their adventure to slow down China progression that are taking over their usual prowess in many fields and these Taiwan politicians have became their tools to make it happen. Sadly, this will also disrupt the Taiwan progress as well and these Taiwan leaderships are selfishly doing it at the expense of the country and people. The bright side is, this will be futile.
I still remember my 10th grade Global Studies teacher (in 1983-84) declaring "The real Chinese people live in Taiwan." She was referring to the nationalists. We students had to be against the revolution, as she was.
Very valuable discourse and history lesson. The contrast between this and the framing by mainstream media here in the US is quite shocking -- a glaring spotlight on the perils of the narrative war
China out performing in 58 of 62 major key technologies and the vastest supply and supplying chain since the Silk Road, china(PPP) competing with the US(debt and inflation).
It does not mean they are in the right. Even if they become the most advanced technology-driven country in the world, they are still an authoritarian country.
has taiwan ever organised a popular assembly to allow its population to choose wether they want to be part of china or not? I think any independence movement is valid if it comes from within. If suddenly a US state wants to no longer be part of the US i would support that.
Great update thanks for sharing your strength in this shameful time of the USA and its 15th colony Taiwan. Solidarity from sisseton wahpeton Oyate South Dakota unceeded land within America.
One must remember that at the time of japan aggression. US delegates visited MaoZeDong, and in the experimental communist community, they were very supportive of MaoZeDong: the complete safety of ways of living . The other side of US administration was against Mao and won the day .
No matter which way you look at Taiwan, the reality is that most Taiwanese don't want to live under an authoritarian Chinese regime. Hence, for Taiwan to give up it's democratic way of life to live under a Communist authoritarian way of life is a difficult proposition.
no matter which way you look at it tawain is chinses territory and soverign chinses land if you dont want to live in china then you can leave no one is stopping anyone in the chinses province of tawain to pack up their bags if they hate china and leave for any other real counrty they want
Singapore consistently maintains a "One China" policy and *opposes independence for Taiwan.* - Ministry of Foreign Affairs Singapore If you don't understand English, here is the definition of oppose: disapprove of and attempt to prevent 😅
Indigenous tribes occupied Taiwan and the Dutch colonised it in the 17th century. Koxinga a Southern Chinese General defeated the Dutch and in turn was defeated by the Qing dynasty who then annexed his territory but the indigenous tribes still occupied the interior and still do in places up till today. Therefore Taiwan was a Chinese settler colonial project.
So Taiwan has been inhabited for millennia, but only the last few centuries matter, which is the period that it was recognized as belonging to China. So who were the people who inhabited Taiwan for millennia? Do they have a say in Taiwan's status?
Very interesting history - another eye opener. Regarding semi conductors, look at ASML. The Dutch company that makes the machines that produce chips. Dutch government gave in to US pressure not to allow ASML to sell the most advanced machines to China. Dear presenters, please check your ‘you know’s and ‘like’. It became a little annoying. Beyond that, keep it coming!
Thats not overlooking problems in china itself, because it has changed and because it realises that economic survival is whats involved. China mainland has become Machiavellic and broken proper and reasonable policies in many ways.
That would be why China will have to act if Taiwan declare independent cause the fight with US will happen at that point in time or after US has planted all their missiles and nuclear there.
In the most recent election in January, 2024, there are 60% of Taiwanese voters who didn't cast their ballots for the pro-independence President Mr. Lai who only got 40% of votes; except that those 60% of voters were divided between two other candidates, so the minority candidate won the election. Of course not all of the 60% of voters can be classified as acknowledging themselves as Chinese, but at least they voted for 2 candidates who had both either said or showed willingness to abide by the 1992 Consensus which says that they all belong to one country but for the present time each side is called a different name and has a different political system.
Hi one question, I am from Catalunya, I am interested in the self-determination procedures that you mention. Is it something present in the chinese constitution? How can I know further about this? The western narritive pictures a completely autoritarian China with no such possibilities.
US views first past the post is authoritarian, isn’t that how the US & UK systems works? In Australia we have government with 32% of primary voting winning government
In addition Taiwan economic progress is another perceived loss for US imperialism should Taiwan become properly re adjusted. The right of people for self-determination ( lenin) should clarify this US imperialism hegemony
It all goes back to civil war between Komintang and peasant rebel CPC : businessmen threatened to cease support in all ways of Chang Ke Check should he not turn against MaoZeDong . Civil war went on with defeat of a corrupt nationalist army , the leaders of which left Chongqing and refuged in Formosa, having stolen looted all sorts of antiques . Since Taiwan became relatively advanced, especially in areas of IT investment
I'm curious how China determines what qualifies as exploitation. Clearly they allow exploitation since they still have capitalist social structures in the workplace.
Its interesting that the latest Kuomintang leaders wish to reconcile. But where US imperialism is present there is a division: korea middle east everywhere
I have 2 Taiwanese friends. Popular band members in the 1990s. I met them in Taiwan this year. They mentioned that the educational system remove Taiwan's historical connection to Chinese dynasties. This is how deep the DDP will go to severe Taiwan's ties to the mainland.
Heres how desperate things are right now. 2 weeks ago when Andy Lau, HK singer, went to perform in Taiwan and he was criticized by the DPP for spreading chinese propaganda by singing a song called Chinese people. Funny enough there was so much backlash from netizens to call out the ignorance. The song was written and directed by a taiwanese back in 1996. This song was specifically made for the hand over of HK from the british by Taiwan!
They did that with Hong Kong too. People can only rely on source outside of educational system to learn their own history. There were riots, injustice and corruption done to the HK people under the Brit's rules.
@ftu2021 Wow. I am dumb-founded on how identity and historical link was being erased. I was in Taiwan during that concert which was delayed by typhoon. Stayed at a hotel near the stadium. Look how these people become low for wanting to detach from history and China.
Propaganda is a very strong & effective mechanism that imperialists use to sever a people from their historical roots & facts. This has worked well in Taiwan, HK and Africa. Carried out for over 70 years it becomes an even bigger behemoth to attempt to dismantle..it is possible but it takes a vigorous revolutionary change to the current systems in place like Education, political systems, media networks etc....there is hope b/c look at the Sahelian States....they are slowly dismantling the propagandistic imperialist networks channeling Chairman Mao and the Chinese cultural revolution of 1949. Taiwan will eventually come around as well. Chinese strategic patience will ensure this. God bless the CPC and may one China and reunification be nigh! :)
Never learn history from your gov 😂
In addition to the USA viewing Taiwan as a giant military base, they also view Taiwanese people as potential soldiers for the US inevitable war against China.
US always look for gullible Proxy to fight and die on their behalf.
It is questionable the boy soldiers in Taiwan have the stamina to fight China on behalf of US, a foreign occupational power.
same way as the poor ukrainian people today !
To them they are nothing more than mere pawns.
@@stenyethanmathews945 the island is a huge human shield for the US imo
Taiwan is part of China for those who are educated in history. For those who adore US will say taiwan is not.
First US is distracted with too many wars that they involved themselves and China isn’t. And clearly It will be very hard for the US far away to fight for a place on almost on China 🇨🇳 beach . China can take over this place within 24 hours if they want to but it looks they want to do it differently and try their own way .
Even the UN acknowledges Taiwan is China. The westerners conveniently choose to have schrodingers memory regarding this...
Americans need to worry about the colonies the US has.. Puerto Rico, Guam, Hawaii, American Samoa, USVI…
ironically even the u.s is saying taiwan is a part of china 😂
@@shadowdragon007 yes, but now they fear China taking their no. 1 spot looking at the rate they progress. US have “the great wall of fear”
Someone wrote these facts: US / America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question...
Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
2014 - 2022 - 9 countries yet to verify.
Pakistan 2022 *
Haiti 2022 *
Niger 2023
Haiti 2024
Congo 2024 *
You left out hundreds of broken treaties with the American Indians. But that was before WW2. As far as imperial power designs go, it formally started with the Monroe Doctrine of 1802, claiming the whole western hemisphere
Also the mingling with Italian history and the strategy of tension in the Years of the Lead in the 70s
Add Hawaii 1898.
As always, GREAT program, so informative. I think China Report is a well-produced and very informative program. Thanks for your work. Tyler
The USA sees a free supply of computer micro chips
Trump would disagree with that, he is going like: they stole it from us!!!
All said, the position of Taiwan is not for those US led collective West to discuss. China never interfered with their internal affairs n they too should respect the sovereignty of other countries. The days when these western imperialist can decide on the fate of countries thousands of km away based on their military superiority is gone
Taiwan is a province of china it belongs to china this is china internal affair outsiders n busy bodies mind your own business if you have nothing better to do go n fly kite thank you
I’m an American, retired military officer, a conservative and I agree with you 100%.
So many people here cannot see reality beyond their own brainwashing. I mean seriously, we almost went to war with the USSR over a few missiles in Cuba, not even having close a history to the US as Taiwan has to China. Taiwan has always belonged to China and always will and if I was Chinese I’d want to take it back asap. I’m sure the US politicians and most Americans would feel the same if the tables were reversed.
I know a Taiwanese lady in Australia, she clarified "I'm Chinese, Taiwan is a Chinese province."
I second that. 👍🏻
Vast majority of Taiwanese believe Taiwan is independent of China.
@@hinnahinna-j9y That is just the minority's view.
@@williamho1976 Not it is not
@@williamho1976 Even if the majority of Taiwanese people no longer see themselves as Chinese, they can not change their historical past, Chinese traditions, and culture. About 14% of Taiwanese people call themselves Chinese, and those who deeply believe they have nothing to do with the mainland are around 20%, meaning when the PLA one day lands in Taiwan, those who are sitting on the fence will switch to accept Beijing, after all this is a civil war.
I followed the Qiao collective on X. Great job! This is my favorite show.
China's leaders are brilliant!!!
❤ from an old woman in the US.
He is soft outside but strong inside. The Western barking leaders do not bites.
❤❤love from china
@@jparsit This is true. And when it comes to human dignity, the western leaders are behind every other leader by a landslide.
it's an unfinished civil war that should not be interfered with, regardless which side loses or wins.
US interfered with korean and vietnam civil war😂
@@2316-f9rAre you saying that was a good thing?
@@villiamfangy6205 tell that to china when they helped north Vietnam or north korea
@@CaliforniaDreams-eb8sx they interfered after the us did.
@@CaliforniaDreams-eb8sx The United Nations forces led by the United States started it first.
Anglo Saxons divide and conquer
The United States should just annex it
Doesn't work for China.
Amanda and KJ, Google Maps has finally changed. Google Maps shows Taiwan as Chinese territory and labels it as Taiwan Province now. The trend of history is certainly irreversible. 😅
really?i dont know
I’m thankful for this history primer about Taiwan. I had my secondary education in Morocco before moving to the US several decades ago. I thought I knew a little bit about China and Taiwan but I apparently missed an important part of that history. As your guest called it, history revisionism really got me this time. I’m a skeptic by nature and don’t trust western media at all because I see them lying and manipulating the news and facts on a daily basis regarding the Arab world, which is the region I’m most familiar with and concerned about. So the fact that the government in Taiwan ever claimed or was ever considered the government of the whole of China, rather than a former colony seeking independence was big news to. I always thought of Taiwan basically the same way I did Hong Kong. Thank you again
The faction that lost the civil war retreated to the island territory of CHINA and and is still trying to resist the winning government so yeah Taiwan is China 🤷🏾♂️
You are right not to trust western media but you can trust Ibn Battuta on geography. Don't think he made it to Taiwan though. Hong was excised by criminal force by the english and Queen Victoria was probably the biggest drug runner in history. She was delighted to grab Hong Kong and gloried in the spoils of what the english stole. The first Pekinese dog stolen from the imperial palace in Beijing was presented to her and she apparently called it "Looty" as it had been looted.
chinese history baically never changes.. always brothers fighting for succession,
in today's case, 1 bro got the house, the other bro lost and took the security box and gate, then the loser bro hires some thugs to harrass the house..
of course the KMT and the pro status quos will never cede their claims towards the entire china by declaring independence..
but the pro independence are americans and japanese trying to take over taiwan for their own agendas..
The western media always like to skip those IMPORTANT parts to spread misinformation to the world and to provoke a war.
You should stop being like most of my fellow Americans who only care about what happens around them. Most of the time it’s local stuff, which is why they do not know crap about the world and allow themselves to believe what our government tells them they the MSM, both left and right.
until the late 80s, the Taiwan Island was an important military base for US to invade mainland China, the island most famous slogan during that era was "counterattack and recapture the mainland", even until today Taiwan's constitution itself still stated clearly Taiwan is a province of China.
What annoys me is that they never talk about "Kinmen Islands."
When China "enter Taiwan's water" they are always just near Kinmen.
That's like if your neighbor claimed your mailbox as theirs. Everyday you drive your car in and out of your own garage, you passed that mailbox that you have given up. But this neighbor pulls a gun at you and yell that you were trasspassing.
Then the Americans are saying it was a home invasion. 💀
Right. Glad you mentioned it. Kinmen is so close to Fijian province that some people can swim across the water.
And technically, even according to Taiwanese laws, Kinmen is still a part of the Fujian province... a basic fact that never changed since ancient times 😅
Actually the Biden administration recently overturned 70 years of the Truman Doctrine that rejected intervention in Kinmen Islands located only 6 miles from China but 100 miles from Taiwan, and sent US special forces and weapons to Kinmen some months ago.
The US is stepping up its dangerous provocations in order to attempt to force China to strike first.
China sees Taiwan as a breakaway province.
U.S. sees Taiwan not only a giant military base but also a bargaining chip on China.
Philippines sees Taiwan as an opportunity to use Taiwan to create conflicts with China.
one of the only good comments on this video.
No, Philippines sees Taiwan as a source of income for its pinoy laborers.
Not forgetting Japan
The Cuba comparison isn't good when you think it through. Cuba isn't a part of the U.S., Taiwan is a part of China. The USSR had every right to move missiles and soldiers there to protect Cuba from the U.S. and counter the missiles the U.S. had in Turkey.
Free Hawaii…..
there are a lot of bad comparisons in this segment. honestly it was confusing overall.
@@kylezo comparisons are just comparisons. the facts were correct mostly correct - which is most important.
@@kylezo
It’s not so much about the comparisons, but more about showing the extreme hypocrisy on the side of the US and many Americans.
How does the US government legally get around selling weapons to Taiwan? The official diplomatic stance is that Taiwan is the PRC so how can any deals like that even be possible on paper? I know that the US flaunts international law all the time, but such deals like that are not even legal per US law.
Since when has the US government ever cared what is legal or not?
Bombama's terminology of "pivot" (to China) is really more accurately "spigot" (as in opening the U.S. Treasury for MIC and other profiteers of "the business") of war-making.
Taiwan Relations Act which was created at the same time as the One China Policy is an agreement that the US commit to help defend Taiwan as shown below:
"the United States shall provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character and shall maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or social or economic system, of the people of Taiwan."
@@ResearchFirst-z7j The US should shove its acts and stay out of other people's backyards. Then a lot more people would not have died and continue to die. What an arrogance to pass acts about things outside your country. Even threatening to invade the Hague. Thats law of the jungle stuff and highly disgusting.
It is because Taiwan is part of China, not part of PRC. It has its own government although it is not a country. That government chooses to buy weapon from America.
Taiwan is a province of China. The constitution of the government, which is now administrating Taiwan, clearly stipulated that Taiwan is part of China.
You or China or USA don't determine whether Taiwan is or is not a province of China. Instead, the Taiwanese determines that.
@robinali6903 Taiwan belongs to all Chinese people, not just Taiwanese, Taiwan also belongs to people from Henan, Hebei and other mainland China areas
@@robinali6903 Exactly. Initiate a referendum and let the Taiwanese people determine their status, not when an authoritarian government claims it so.
@@robinali6903 It was determined a long ago and will go back that way
@@williamho1976 Why ? We don't do that with Tasmania now do we ? WA tried but we did not let that happen either.
For any US citizens or government officials to think that Taiwan is an unsinkable carrier, they’re truly still living in the past or simply living in denial in a different world today.
What can the unsinkable carrier do when the supply lines are blockage?
The days where this impossibility has been nibbed away.
Any adversary foreign forces from the pacific to the South China Seas seas will be challenged by an equally formidable opposition with the support of the whole defence machinery on the mainland,(truly unsinkable) to stopped foreign bullies from ever repeating what they did in humiliating the Chinese again.
The Chinese people will surely want to see how these foreign bullies react in defeat.
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@ Ask your military to bring more flags and eagles if that’s can win the war. Lol
@@ericyeo805 China understands not to take Taiwan away from the United States we'll never allow it
@@TennisArena365 Oh! Typical bully whose country acknowledges committed one agreement and practices another entirely opposite.
Ok, Mr. Bully, how are you going to do it and with what?
I supposed with the mighty aircraft carriers that shine away from the Houthi? China will send that fast moving objects along the Chinese shoreline towards targets at far more potent powers. Come on, those days are over. Grow up man.
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This is a really good idea. Us Westerners need to learn more about China so we can more easily counter US propaganda.
Qiao collective is awesome. Also Pls invite Carl zha next time too. He's a treasure trove of historical and current information on China. Plus on China US relations 😊
qiao collective... I'm on it! This has been most enlightening.
i love this podcast so much. catching up on all past episodes
The premium Semi-conductive company of Taiwan was actually initiated, supported and finally built by the Chinese government/Rep. of China who moved to the island after 1945, mostly in 1949; even its founder and the soul of TSMC, Morris Chang was grown up in China and didn't until 19. But after 30 years when it reaches top of the world, the incumbent pro-session DPP party touted it as its own and used it as a bait to lure U.S. to support its agenda and became its ally to counter China in the name of democracy, despite it rules like a dictator, controlling the news media and justice system, secretly persecuting its citizens who want to unite with motherland China as traitors.
Please post links to these informative guests' sites, thanks. This one is especially necessary, many thanks for having him on! Bookmarked.
Qiao collective helped me better understand the Tiananmen square incident.. was one of the first things that really helped me start to question the anti-china propaganda in australia and drop my biases replacing them with a new view of history we are definitely not told growing up here
youtuber Hakim has a fantastic video on Tiananmen square that everyone should watch, especially westerners.
I love China. 🙏
This is a great channel and quite educated way to educate people in Taiwan especially the young generation.
Thank You
Fantastic conversation, I only wish more Americans will listen to it! Pkease Like & Share! ❤😊
very good presentation .Keep on going.
I still don't understand why Taiwanese are willing to let US sell them old weapons at current premium prices, sometimes to excessive profit.
Personally I've extended my BDS boycott to include any country that hosts US military bases (it's hard because I like a lot of Japanese/German products, but I look for alternatives as best as I can). I'm old enough to remember a time where toys were labelled “made in Taiwan ROC”. THANKS for putting this video out there 🙏🙏
There are some countries that absolutely do not want to host US military bases, but they don't get a say in the matter.
Nice one
Taiwan must be reunified with China for two reasons: 1. The credibility of the united nations where the great majority of the world including the usa have acknowledged the one china policy and Taiwan belongs to China. 2. The idea of unity of China has been borne since the time of the great grandfather of the first emperor Qin Shi Huang more than 2200 years ago.Taiwan cannot be an independent country since the people are basically Chinese from the mainland and the island belongs to China since the ancient time. Allowing Taiwan to be independent is equavalent to breaking the unity of china apart. It is just unimaginable and against the spirit of the unity of China.
Firstly, just because Taiwan may not legally be recognized as a state does not automatically hand sovereignty of the island to the PRC.
There are no internationally recognised treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. Also, historically, China has had minimal control over the island of Taiwan, I will explain further below.
Now some facts about Taiwan:
1: The island now known as Taiwan was inhabited and ruled by the aborigines for approximately 30,000 years.
2: When the Dutch arrived in 1626 most of the population of Formosa were the Yuanzhumin or Gaoshan people (who have no DNA link back to China)
3: The Qing had minimal control of Taiwan in fact the Qing only managed to rule less than 20% of the island while the aborigines ruled and controlled over 80% of the island. The Qing created a border in 1750 with rocks which was called the Tu Niu Red Line. The Japanese were the first country to colonise Formosa and create roads and infrastructure..
4: Due to the lack of control, the Qing did not declare Formosa a Province of the Qing until 1895 as the Japanese was encroaching on the island. The island was handed to Japan soon after.
5: Over the past 400 years the island has been partially ruled by 5 different governments but it was only the Japanese and ROC who had full control of the entire island.
6: Historically the CCP recognized Formosan independence. In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China. (look up Edgar Snow interview))
7: The Cairo Declaration 1943 discussed the possibility of handing the island of Taiwan to the ROC. This discussion required a treaty to become official and was never implemented.
8: The PRC constitution was formed in 1949 yet Taiwan was not added to it until 1978.
9: The ROC were granted a caretaker role of Formosa after WW2 but when the ROC escaped to the island it still legally belonged to Japan.
10: When Japan relinquished its sovereignty of Taiwan with The Treaty of San Francisco after the ROC invaded the Japanese island, China was not even invited. The treaty was signed by 49 nations but both the ROC and CCP were NOT present.
11: The One China Policy, Un Resolution 2758 or the Treaty of San Francisco do not declare that Taiwan is a province of China. There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China.
The only legal way that Taiwan can amalgamate with China is if they agree to a treaty ceding their sovereignty. Whether Taiwan is considered a country or not does not automatically grant China with sovereignty of the region.
@@ResearchFirst-z7j
It’s an unfinished civil war involving two sides claiming the same area. The rest is noise, including your spin.
@@zeissiez Incorrect the CCP merely got greedy.
The was never over Taiwan and Taiwan belonged to Japan during the civil war.
October 1, 1949, at 3:00 pm in Tienanmen Square the formation of the Central People's Government under the leadership of the CPC, the government of the new state, was officially proclaimed. Mao declared victory to the people stating “The poor peasants have conquered the country; the poor peasants should now sit on the country.” “It is because we have defeated the reactionary Kuomintang government backed by U.S. imperialism that this great unity of the whole people has been achieved. In a little more than three years the heroic Chinese People's Liberation Army, “ The CCP won the civil war and the PRC was formed and the ROC escaped to the still official Japanese island of Formosa in 1949 The war is over. FACT
When the CCP created their constitution Taiwan was not even added until 1978. Lol
The 1978 Constitution was the first Constitution in the PRC to touch explicitly on the political status of Taiwan. It said that "Taiwan is part of China" and said that the PRC "must liberate Taiwan, and finish the great task of reunifying the motherland".
However, in 1979, the PRC dropped the liberation stance and opted for peaceful reunification instead.
The 1982 Constitution mentioned that "Taiwan is a sacred part of the territory of the People's Republic of China" instead of just "China".
@@ResearchFirst-z7j
Your argument actually said that during the ROC's reign, Taiwan is not a part of China. No? So Chiang Kai-Shek invaded Taiwan? hahaha
@@zeissiez The war was never over Taiwan and Taiwan belonged to Japan during the civil war.
October 1, 1949, at 3:00 pm in Tienanmen Square the formation of the Central People's Government under the leadership of the CPC, the government of the new state, was officially proclaimed. Mao declared victory to the people. The CCP won the civil war and the PRC was formed and the ROC escaped to the still official Japanese island of Formosa in 1949
When the CCP created their constitution Taiwan was not even added until 1978. Lol
The 1978 Constitution was the first Constitution in the PRC to touch explicitly on the political status of Taiwan. It said that "Taiwan is part of China" and said that the PRC "must liberate Taiwan, and finish the great task of reunifying the motherland".
However, in 1979, the PRC dropped the liberation stance and opted for peaceful reunification instead.
The 1982 Constitution mentioned that "Taiwan is a sacred part of the territory of the People's Republic of China" instead of just "China".
Another great episode, keep it up guys! Keep up the good works!❤😊
This video title gets straight to the point and in a less brainwashed world, everyone would understand it.
Exactly same tactic used by the US in Ukraine & Taiwan. Both were used to fight Russia & China. We all can see the results of war in Ukraine. Taiwanese, don't let the same happen in your country.
Great program, and good interview to put the things in context.
Agree, it's just a conversation about what are the facts? what is the history? None of the manufactured noise.
I look forward to this absolute gem of a show weekly. you're both fantastic! thank you so much for your dedication😊
China Taipei ppl, look at Ukraine !!!
Speaking of which: Everybody should be pushing for this madness of the USA/EU govs to STOP ASAP !!!
A global armed conflict, with several players having "mushrooms" is NOT a silly thing, it's not a movie, it's something very real and destructive beyond imagination.
exactly, crimea and donbass voted to secede from ukraine - then they were ignored and taken over by ukraine nationalist troops (with a long history connected to the nazis). similarly, taiwan isn't even given a referendum to choose independence OR unification. let taiwan choose what taiwan will be. no more imperialist chess.
@@kylezo Exactly. On one hand, the history of Taiwan and China goes way back; i think Taiwan is more part of China than Hawaii is of the USA. Similar thing with Ukraine and Russia, they have a history that goes waaay before the USSR; so let them be. On the other hand, as u mentioned, it's just imperialist chess; what would it happen if Russia puts a military base in Tijuana? Well, we already know bc something like that already happened: the Cuban missiles crisis. And what the US did back then ??
Taiwan was ceded to Japan after the Sins Japanese war in 1900s.
It was returned to China at the end of WWII.
The losing KMT retreated to Taiwan after it lost the civil wzr in 1949. Then the west intervened and shielded its from the advancing CPC. Then armed and financed its survival to 6se as a barrier and blockading carrier.
Its an interrupted civil war. Its this simple. No other version needed.
need a podcast version
None of the US business.
The US is Taiwans dad
Great discussion as usual.
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With the surrounding of China by the US and continuous provocations by the US, China is very very patience. But, patience have limits. Just don’t use Taiwan as a proxy like Ukraine, as China and Taiwan are bonded in blood. The Philippines is a different story.
IMO this is between the Taiwanese and Chinese people. They clearly have legitimate reasons for not wanting to be part of the CPC, it can’t all be just “muh America bad”, even tho America is indeed bad and plays a part for sure. They are a people who are able to decide their own destiny, and they’ve chosen to diverge from the mainland. I have an idyllic hope war will not come of this, but China has already declared its policy on Taiwan and if there’s one think I can understand about Chinese politics, appearances and maintaining face is very important, and they will lose face and be humiliated geopolitically if they don’t press the point of Taiwan being part of China, and diplomacy will only go so far and last so long before material and political conditions make war over the island more preferable to peace without it. That moment may come soon.
It’s 36,193 sq kilometers of land out of 9.6 million sq kilometers. 24 million people out of 1.4 billion. Taiwan doesn’t even put a noticeable dent in these numbers. I hope the CCP will never reach the levels of foolhardiness that US has exhibited for the past 100 years. Bc that invasion just sounds like some kind of disaster war the US would wage. They would end the world being the very thing they despise and disparage in the USA.
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One China, One Taiwan.
@@williamho1976 Ok,
captain AmeriKKKas Ho
@@williamho1976 I guess you can proudly tell us how many countries and governments in the world have a 'One Taiwan Policy' right? I Googled, it's 'ZERO'
It is very true that the US strategically backs separatist forces when it suits their interests. They’ve illegally overthrown countless regimes around the world, all while declaring themselves the “beacon of freedom”. But this does not mean that Taiwanese people are eager for reunification with China and held back solely by Americans fomenting separatism. Two things can be true at the same time. After having de-facto independence for 70 plus years, Taiwanese people have developed their own social, cultural, economic, and political identity that they do not want to lose. They choose not to declare independence in order to avoid war, not because they don’t desire self-determination. If China wants peaceful reunification, it must offer some form of true political autonomy (HK-style “autonomy” won’t cut it)
是的, 实行共产主义.
In a 1972 joint communiqué with the PRC, the United States "acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China" and "does not challenge that position." It reaffirms the U.S. interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question.
There were three communiques. The final 1982 communique states: " Government of the United States of America acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China."
This statement does not declare that the US agrees with China's position it simply acknowledges or recognizes ambitions. The US position on Taiwan is not mentioned.
@ More US warmongering ? 7-8 micro nations officially recognize Taiwan ! One China policy 1972 signed by Truman and still on the state dept website ! 98% of the world accept Taiwan is Chinese
Taiwan was not a Chinese province. Well, for about ten years before it was taken away from it by Japan in 1895. When the KMT took over the island at the end of the anti-Japanese War the reaction from the indigenous people and the long-term Fujian migrants was so violent that the KMT had to commit an atrocity followed by very big oppression for decades in order to take over the island. The KMT and the refugees from the Civil War were invaders and have remained invaders. Taiwan was never a true province of China. Read a little Taiwan history ffs. China is the all-time world champion of lying to itself and to everyone else, with America coming in a very close second.
Nicely put.
You are well researched and well spoken but I will share two interesting facts that you may know.
1: Historically the CCP recognized Formosan independence. In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China for centuries, as insisted by the Chinese government today. Interview with Mao in 1936
An interview sourced from the Marxist Archive demonstrates this.
Interviewer EDGAR SNOW: “Is it the immediate task of the Chinese people to regain all the territories lost to Japan, or only to drive Japan from North China, and all Chinese territory above the Great Wall? “
MAO: “It is the immediate task of China to regain all our lost territories, not merely to defend our sovereignty below the Great Wall. This means that Manchuria must be regained. We do not, however, include Korea, formerly a Chinese colony, but when we have re-established the independence of the lost territories of China, and if the Koreans wish to break away from the chains of Japanese imperialism, we will extend them our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies to Formosa.”
Source: Marxists Internet Archive
2: Mao had no interest in Taiwan (only interested in the ROC) and Taiwan was not even added to the PRC constitution until 1978 after his death.
The 1978 PRC Constitution was the first Constitution in the PRC to touch explicitly on the political status of Taiwan. It said that "Taiwan is part of China" and said that the PRC "must liberate Taiwan, and finish the great task of reunifying the motherland".
However, in 1979, the PRC dropped the liberation stance and opted for peaceful reunification instead.
The 1982 Constitution mentioned that "Taiwan is a sacred part of the territory of the People's Republic of China" instead of just "China".
Just sharing some interesting facts.
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If both sides of leader in PRC and ROC can sit down and discuss this matter for the sake of both Chinese, this matter will be solved immediately. The unfortunate reality is will the USA allow that.
And that was what they did between 2008 and 2016 .. called the golden era of Taiwan China relationship! They even signed bilateral agreements between Xi and Ma. Guess what happened when the two became close? Student Revolution and Protest ... just like the Maidan protest .. which led to a regime change. After DPP took over, they, cut all ties and communication with China .. and tore up all the bilateral agreements. Everyone knows the US is behind this.
Taiwan belongs to the indigenous peoples not the people that came to the island in the 1600s. Their languages and customs have slowly eroded even though various attempts by governments including current one has tried to alleviate some of the problems. Indigenous people are always at the whatya call it darn it forgot 😑😑
One way to resolve this conflict peacefully is for the US and Japan to offer citizenship to those who do not wish to be part of China. They are free to go even if this means the population is halved. More dignity this way than be forced to leave as boat refugees!
I wanted to say the same. For those who choose to leave and go to US/JP but don’t ever call yourself Chinese or claim any traditions. Cut off all links to your past and start anew as US/JP.
Same thing Britain offered to HK, everyone’s happy.
Thank you Amanda, KJ and esteemed guest Charles Xu for an enlightening conversation. May Allah hasten the one China policy and reunification for all historical peoples of the Chinese island archipelagos :)🫶🙏🤲♥️🌹
Loved your point about the statistically poor argument of "listen to the Taiwanese people." The vast majority either want to maintain the status quo or reunify with China, while only a vocal minority single digit percentage, want a sharp independence declaration -- an independence, like you said, that is ONLY independence from China, not full, autonomous independence. The DPP's "independence" is absolutely just becoming a US vassal and military base for aggression against China.
It is striking and encouraging how China influences its population in a constructive and intelligent way to let social life take place in a safe, responsible way. This admirable involvement is the basis for a healthy society. Americans are still in a primitive state in this, they have Disneyland, Hollywood and fast, fast, faster then fast food to educate their people. To go to Starbucks after their successful day....
Actually Taiwan got nothing to do with US. Do you know how money and gold Cheng Kai Shek and wife took to America? And which US bank benefited the most???
ROC lost th civilwar and retired to taiwan island. PRC was not strong in economy and military in that time. This is the situation
Same to say today Trump lost election and retire to Alaska declaring indenpednt country. It's illegal and no-sense
🇨🇳 China is Taiwan is China 🇨🇳
Please forgive me for asking questions out of ignorance i just want to better understand. I believe in the self determination, and independence of people so from my understanding if Taiwanese people want to be independent they have every right to be. Here's my question if Taiwan, peacefully becomes a china province, do they still get to be called Taiwan, and Taiwanese? I'm sorry i know that's a dumb question i guess for some reason i thought Taiwan becoming a part of china they'd lose their Taiwanese identity, and culture. But they wouldn't right? They'd just be a part of china, but still be called Taiwan, speak Taiwanese, and have their traditions, and cultures right? It was hearing the phrase Taiwan is a Chinese province, that made me question what i thought i knew. Especially after learning in the video that if Taiwan does become a china province they can still apply to be independent. Would Taiwan still be able to make really cool art like that Taiwanese game company Red Candle with theur games Devotion, & Detention? The first Taiwanese horror film i ever saw was Incantation, and it was really good film. I also saw The Sadness, which was a crazy film. Anyways would they still be able to have the freedom to make art like those games, and films?
Ultimately I've been learning a lot about US foreign affairs this year, and as an American i see my country as the world's terrorist, and i hope to see the fall of the US imperialist empire, and fall of the US dollar dominance. I learned so much from the China Report, about BRICS, and the Belt Road Initiative, i really hope they're both successful as they'd be great for other countries to be able to trade amongst each other without going through the US, and the US dollar. Anyways, the way i been thinking about Taiwan, is seeing the US using it as a proxy state against China, just like how Israel is a proxy state to continue stealing oil from the Near East, and trying to use Ukraine as a proxy state against Russia. The US doesn't care about the independence, and freedom of the Taiwanese, we're just using them as a pawn yo continue maintaining the US imperialist empire hegemony.
"No such thing as a stupid question!" My late grandad used to proclaim hehe.
The Taiwan indepemce movement is a smokescreen for s restoration of Formosa
@@denisross2923 You are right but…..unfortunately, the reality has changed. Today’s not the Qin dynasty, the weak and corrupted government they are facing. If Japan still harbours that objective, the end results for them is worse as the Chinese have many scores to settle.
They know(US and allies) that they can’t war a war with China and do wanted to destabilise China using Taiwan as a stepping stone to their adventure to slow down China progression that are taking over their usual prowess in many fields and these Taiwan politicians have became their tools to make it happen. Sadly, this will also disrupt the Taiwan progress as well and these Taiwan leaderships are selfishly doing it at the expense of the country and people. The bright side is, this will be futile.
I still remember my 10th grade Global Studies teacher (in 1983-84) declaring "The real Chinese people live in Taiwan." She was referring to the nationalists. We students had to be against the revolution, as she was.
Why is it taking so long to bring war criminals to justice?
简而言之，这是否意味着中国想重新成为日本的殖民地？😅
The US sees micro chips, the new oil
國立故宮博物院 The heir to Imperial China. They seem to think they're China.
Very valuable discourse and history lesson. The contrast between this and the framing by mainstream media here in the US is quite shocking -- a glaring spotlight on the perils of the narrative war
This is huge news for delivery drivers
Be like Jay Chou, don't be like DPP, that's why he's popular in Asia.
China out performing in 58 of 62 major key technologies and the vastest supply and supplying chain since the Silk Road, china(PPP) competing with the US(debt and inflation).
It does not mean they are in the right. Even if they become the most advanced technology-driven country in the world, they are still an authoritarian country.
has taiwan ever organised a popular assembly to allow its population to choose wether they want to be part of china or not? I think any independence movement is valid if it comes from within. If suddenly a US state wants to no longer be part of the US i would support that.
Would any one recommend any good books in english about Chinese-Tawainese history that doesn't have that US hegemonic lense on it?
Great update thanks for sharing your strength in this shameful time of the USA and its 15th colony Taiwan. Solidarity from sisseton wahpeton Oyate South Dakota unceeded land within America.
One must remember that at the time of japan aggression. US delegates visited MaoZeDong, and in the experimental communist community, they were very supportive of MaoZeDong: the complete safety of ways of living . The other side of US administration was against Mao and won the day .
No matter which way you look at Taiwan, the reality is that most Taiwanese don't want to live under an authoritarian Chinese regime. Hence, for Taiwan to give up it's democratic way of life to live under a Communist authoritarian way of life is a difficult proposition.
no matter which way you look at it tawain is chinses territory and soverign chinses land if you dont want to live in china then you can leave no one is stopping anyone in the chinses province of tawain to pack up their bags if they hate china and leave for any other real counrty they want
Singapore foreign affair stated Taiwan is part of China, not ROC not PRC but civilization China.
Singapore consistently maintains a "One China" policy and *opposes independence for Taiwan.* - Ministry of Foreign Affairs Singapore
If you don't understand English, here is the definition of oppose: disapprove of and attempt to prevent 😅
Indigenous tribes occupied Taiwan and the Dutch colonised it in the 17th century.
Koxinga a Southern Chinese General defeated the Dutch and in turn was defeated by the Qing dynasty who then annexed his territory but the indigenous tribes still occupied the interior and still do in places up till today.
Therefore Taiwan was a Chinese settler colonial project.
So Taiwan has been inhabited for millennia, but only the last few centuries matter, which is the period that it was recognized as belonging to China. So who were the people who inhabited Taiwan for millennia? Do they have a say in Taiwan's status?
This is so boring. PRC will not dare to shoot 1 shot regarding Taiwan. US is in the sane page. All, just barking loud at each other.
Very interesting history - another eye opener. Regarding semi conductors, look at ASML. The Dutch company that makes the machines that produce chips. Dutch government gave in to US pressure not to allow ASML to sell the most advanced machines to China.
Dear presenters, please check your ‘you know’s and ‘like’. It became a little annoying. Beyond that, keep it coming!
Thats not overlooking problems in china itself, because it has changed and because it realises that economic survival is whats involved. China mainland has become Machiavellic and broken proper and reasonable policies in many ways.
此外，台湾经济进步是美帝国主义的另一个明显损失，如果台湾得到适当的重新调整。人民自决权（列宁）应该澄清美帝国主义的霸权
The military base but how about China build its military bases in Cuba ?
China is always the pot that is calling the kettle black.
what base? the US has its embargoed
@ well , if the US can build then China can build in there as well if Cuba needs it.
@@ftu2021 in the future China , Russia and North Korea will build their military bases in that land too.
That would be why China will have to act if Taiwan declare independent cause the fight with US will happen at that point in time or after US has planted all their missiles and nuclear there.
Charles - you have great content, but the delivery is marred by "you know" in almost every sentence.
In the most recent election in January, 2024, there are 60% of Taiwanese voters who didn't cast their ballots for the pro-independence President Mr. Lai who only got 40% of votes; except that those 60% of voters were divided between two other candidates, so the minority candidate won the election. Of course not all of the 60% of voters can be classified as acknowledging themselves as Chinese, but at least they voted for 2 candidates who had both either said or showed willingness to abide by the 1992 Consensus which says that they all belong to one country but for the present time each side is called a different name and has a different political system.
Hi one question, I am from Catalunya, I am interested in the self-determination procedures that you mention. Is it something present in the chinese constitution? How can I know further about this? The western narritive pictures a completely autoritarian China with no such possibilities.
US views first past the post is authoritarian, isn’t that how the US & UK systems works? In Australia we have government with 32% of primary voting winning government
ha ha china sells the dollar short
In addition Taiwan economic progress is another perceived loss for US imperialism should Taiwan become properly re adjusted. The right of people for self-determination ( lenin) should clarify this US imperialism hegemony
必须记住，在日本侵略中国的时候，美国代表团拜访了毛泽东，在实验共产主义社区里，他们非常支持毛泽东：生活方式完全安全。而美国政府的另一方反对毛泽东，并取得了胜利。
It all goes back to civil war between Komintang and peasant rebel CPC : businessmen threatened to cease support in all ways of Chang Ke Check should he not turn against MaoZeDong . Civil war went on with defeat of a corrupt nationalist army , the leaders of which left Chongqing and refuged in Formosa, having stolen looted all sorts of antiques . Since Taiwan became relatively advanced, especially in areas of IT investment
I'm curious how China determines what qualifies as exploitation. Clearly they allow exploitation since they still have capitalist social structures in the workplace.
Its interesting that the latest Kuomintang leaders wish to reconcile. But where US imperialism is present there is a division: korea middle east everywhere
Is there a good English language history dealing with Koxinga? (Have I spelled that correctly?)
有趣的是，国民党最新领导人希望和解。但哪里有美帝国主义，哪里就有分裂：朝鲜、中东、各地