Paradise Lost: The Controversial Hunt For The Garden Of Eden | Myth Hunters | Odyssey
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- The Garden of Eden is said to be paradise on earth and yet we don't know where it is, or do we? Bible scholars put forward controversial new theories as to where the legendary garden was located. However, not everyone in the academic community is persuaded.
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I have heard a version of this. During the ice age, the fertile.crescent was very fertile. People could gather plenty of grain in a short amount of time and there was plenty of game to hunt. Artifacts from the period are well made and artistically decorated. As the glaciers receded, sea levels rose and the weather became dryer. People had to work harder to get enough food. They learned to cultivate and irrigate. Food came by the sweat of their brows. The change is lamented and human action is blamed.
And now, a state-sponsored sect of religious zealots are blaming human action yet again!!! They are known as, the "C(lie)mate Change Cult". 😡
All those pictures of Adam and Eve with belly buttons 🤣
And her pink toenails at the end there...
@@squidink206 - I mean paining toenails is one thing but adding a belly button (which is a scar left over from being born of a woman) is a little tougher to pull off.
Juris Zarins 17 February 1945 -08 July 2023. Rest in eternal peace Champ. You gave us an unforgettable story
What is recorded in history isn't necessarily what really happened
Chuck Missler and Gene Kim have the best information on the subject.
It was buried by the Persian Gulf. All the rivers lead to the PG. I'm saying this before I watch the video. Lets see if we agree. OMG I was right!!! I found both the same rivers---ON MY OWN!! I found this about 10 years ago! So glad to have found this video! I mean, I'm just an everyday mom and to have a Professor & Archeologist come to the same findings I did is just so awesome!
Well done you !
Credentials are overrated when it comes to history, sociology, economics etc. when it comes to breakthroughs in rewriting history, it's not going to be historians doing it.
@@SubvertTheState You're right, ofc, at least on the last bit. Zarins was an archeologist, not a historian. But the bible is mythology not history, and it should be interpreted scientifically, not subjectively
Hi there, Satan is the king of lies remember. Rough enough is not good enough. The great flood is real😮
@@StRaphael-we9qnwhy is there zero evidence for it then?
I'm fine with looking for the origins of stories! That's how we learn!
OK Im three minutes in and they are still going on about how people didnt like the idea of looking for Eden.... this does not bode well
Why would it not ? People start thinking more objectively and factual.
These stories are just " stories" without proof. So it is understandable and thankfully so !
Otherwise we'd be stuck in medieval knowledge.
Edan is Dilmun which in known now as Bahrain and the paradise within Bahrain formally Dilmun is Adhari
Bahrain? u got a nice smoke there. c'mon share some
@@vonallen1112 oh yeah party town, never sleeps, great beaches and a paradise for a single guy
The four rivers' headwaters came together just north of Kuwait. The Gihon river flows south from Iran, and the Pishon river runs east across Arabia. They merge together and flow down through the garden and into a reedy estuary. Thus, Eden began in Kuwait and went south into what is now the Persian Gulf.
Interesting theory 🤔
What no archeologist has yet to explain is that if you're the supposed first culture, and civilization... Who in the hell are you trading with ? They suppose the sudden rise of Sumer, but fail to mention that the Sumerians themselves acknowledge other cities, possibly predating their own, and they waged war pretty quick as far as history goes; against other cultures and city states, how can this be if yours is the first culture and presumably you should rule the world with your advanced technological civilization, who could mount a resistance ?
We just have their writings because of random chance that they wrote on clay which was unavailable elsewhere. We could never find paper or even parchment that is 4000+ years old and discount all civilizations we don't have direct writing from as 'myth'.
@@LTPottenger I understand that completely but their writings refer to older generations and civilizations as well as being able to build buildings, craft metal, domesticate both livestock and cereals, that just didn't appear and to suppose it happened simultaneously across the globe is ludacris at best... Recent discoveries like Gobekli tepe put high quality stone masons at he very least to be 12k yrs + into the past, and supposedly purposefully buried, which I find it extremely unlikely and more likely filled during some extreme flooding event akin to the US badlands geologic formation... So on the point of writing these clay tablets, that took extreme time as well, to develop and teach this language to the point of it becoming mundane and universal... Anyways the point being is just because it's the first writing the the rest of the supposed guardians of traditional archeology follow suit and declare it the begining of all civilization ? When clearly they point to others such as themselves that they conquered but their writings if they had them or not don't exist, so who's to say how long hat culture was around before they got waylaid by humans, nature or God... I'm just saying that if we suppose they're the first culture with writing why in God's name would they lie about their history, and their religions as well, why can't we assume these are telephone games played out over centuries and they do in fact have legit historical reference They have the same brains we do, we can only assume some were just as skeptical then as we are now ?
Yes, there are chacolithic period towns throughout the fertile crescent.
There's been archeology going on at those sites for decades.
Not sure why you think this hasn't been researched at all.
@@ems4884 I get the fact that there's constant excavations and digs all over the fertile crescent, while most have been put on hold or destroyed because of the chaotic nature the middle east has been since the dawn of tine apparently... I mean the flow of info and technology implies a far longer time period than the sudden rise all over the globe of similar civilizations, structurally speaking... Does human nature imply a social hierarchy where one class rules over another, in constant perpetuity? More to the point tho is the fact that regardless where on the planet you look, gold plays a significant factor, where did that come from, why is also ingrained into the human psyche ? I'm off the point again, I just don't see Sumer as the foundations when they themselves have stories of advanced culture and wars before they themselves existed... Why are these stories myths and allegories, we thought the same of Troy and many others... ?
@@ems4884 moreover, it's the sudden rise, and then the sudden collapse/destruction and/or abandonment of the megalithic structures and their builders, granted there's not a lot left to study besides the giant carved and placed stones... But to just ignore them for being outliers, does a huge dis-service to humanity's collective memory / history and future...
9:29 he summons Scotty Kilmer 😂
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The Scotty arm flapping technique is very effective at catching people's attention. 😅
51:11 John Day doesn't acknowledge that the Ancient Hebrews could have got their translation wrong regarding the flow of the rivers. They got other geagraphical aspects of the region wrong in Genesis.
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Mind blowing documentary!
Very good documentary, pity about all that unnecessary, noisy music
First I’ve ever heard of this. Love it!
I like how it all came together there
Werner Keller wrote a book called "The Bible as History" which shows how many of the places and events in the Bible are actually rooted in fact, which doesn't mean they happened exactly as the Bible and preachers would have us believe.
True, but the garden of Eden isn’t; it’s just the origin myth of Abrahamic religions. Almost all religions have them, but AFAIK none of the other creation myths are taken literally
Like Chinese whispers
Siri theory, just like.
Evolution Darwin. Was known as desgripe that was before the flood
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Well the Bible takes place on earth so ide assume they would be represented in some way in the Bible 😂
Garden of Eden is a mythological and symbolical and archetypical place. It exists within us.
It cannot be found on the physical earth. The expulsion from Eden tells us about how we are separated from our inner garden of Eden and it means
the garden of pleasure / blessing / delight . The expulsion in fact tells us how we are sepatated from God.
I like how you just make all this up and then say it like it is obviously so. Meanwhile, there is a guy named Juris who spends his whole life looking for evidence with which to build and support his premise.
Sooo..why cant it be both
..and a means for humans to obtain heaven?
Interesting theory. Proof?
Hmmm...well tell that to the Angel guarding the entrance... He's been there quite some time...and he'll be interested in your ideas....😂😂
You have to consider everything in a broad context. For example comparing the lush paradise to the loss experienced when the gulf was flooded is like the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Eden. Imagine having all of that verdant fertile area being swept away by the Gulf becoming flooded (The great flood in Genesis)and having to try to grow crops in the arid hinterland to the north. Soft herbaceous plants are now replaced by thorny cactus plants which are adapted to survive the harsh arid climate. As in Genesis they earn their bread by the sweat of their brow and the land is difficult to cultivate and grows thorns and briars instead of all of those exotic fruit trees which once flourished.@@highendservicesbarrieont8347
Great documentary ❤
I ate up this research as it was published and think it makes such perfect sense. I always believed the Bible to be more literature than theological and enjoyed Werner Kellers work as well. I’m now curious re the recent discovery of humans having been reduced to a very few at about the same time in about the same place and whether or not these things are related. Hope someone out there with better resources is as curious as I am.
It's absolutely literature ... But various literary styles created over the course of six centuries. It's really a shame how little appreciated it is. I don't find that Christians actually read it to see it for what it is. Jews come a bit closer to that but the religious bias still distorts the perception.
I wish writing was invited earlier ... During the neolithic. Think of all the trouble that would have prevented when it comes to the Bible
Very good. Thank you, for this great production!
How long had civilization been in existence before the first texts where ever written??? And how many of those first texts survived throughout the ages??? I don't think anyone can answer these questions...
You can't have civilization without some form of writing.
@@badpossum440 You can have civilization without writing!!! most meso-american cultures doesn't had writing until the incas and mayans right before them the Olmecs were the msot advanced you still see their buildings, giant head statues and lived with the still mostly unknown cultures in the Chiapas and Oaxaca region. So your point is quite dumb....
Curious of how the formation of the vast oilfields in the area were formed because of the vegetation climate...evidence to further support his theory.😊
Hundreds of millions of years ago before even dinosaurs existed.
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DL Hamblin wrote a book about Zarins a while back, Has the Garden of Eden Been Found At Last? There's an article by the same name by her on the interwebs for anyone interested
I worked in Bahrain formally Dilmun and there is a place in Bahrain up to 20 years ago known as Adhari which is natural water and paradise. I love Bahrain.
Well...people once thought that people flying around in the sky was crazy...
even the Wright Brothers' father said a few years before the first flight that flying is reserved for the angels
A fascinating documentary. The number of ads was annoying though.
It's no wonder these stories have Sumerian roots because Abraham was from the city of Ur in Sumer.
-except Abraham didn't write Genesis. It was written before Abraham...
@@flimsyjimnzno it wasn’t. Moses wrote the Pentateuch
Abraham and Sarah were not real people - they are Semitized word forms of Brahma and Saraswati (deities, not real persons).
@@parjanyashukla176this is the difference the world doesn't seem to understand: Abraham has always been a montheist. This clearly suggests that there were people in the area that believed in ONE, TRUE, ETERNAL, and TMELESS God, that doesn't change. Hinduism, is the opposite, and comprises of various gods, which then beings confusion as to who the Messiah will come from. There are also no prophecies about Jesus in accorsance with Brahma, so that doesnt make any sense. On the contrary, there are prophecies of Jesus in the old testament, starting from Abraham.
Just because Brahma,and Abraham sound similar, they are not. We need to stop assuming that similar names refer to the same person. Otherwise, history would be a complete mess if we relied on that.
Lastly, the Bible is a mix of 3 things.... REAL previous history, current affairs of the time, and future prophecies that are to last till the END of time. The latter, has been fulfilled in the last 2000 years, and still continues to be fulfilled as the world hasn't ended yet. This is not a mere book. JESUS was prophesied including his mission on earth (to set captives free from the lies and the captivity of the enemy, which clearly has taken over to blind people to this extent FOR MILLENIUMS.) It is a continuous story that has matched up, and everything they said Jesus would do before he was even born, he DID! Including where he would be born, AND HIS LINEAGE! So no, Abraham is not the hindu god, Brahma as that completely distorts Jesus lineage and purpose to fulfill the will of YAWEH, the one true and only God.
Read the Bible in that sense; as a book that shows you the purpose of this world. Other than thay, you cannot unserstand it. You will then know, the importance of the Old Testament. OT was written by authors who didn't meet, lived hundred of years apart, but foretold the coming of the Jesus. That's why there are several books mostly written about genealogy in the OT. The Messiah had to come from a particular lineage, a monotheistic lineage, that believed in the God of the Bible. This is the only way Jesus mission would be fulfilled. This was to ensure that no false Messiahs, or no confusion is made. But it seems even with all that effort, the world is confused! The old testament, with its genealogy and belief in YAHWEH ALONE, is how we know we are talking of Christianity and not Hinduism in the Bible.
I bring this up so you can understand that Jesus was chosen to come from a particular lineage. The lineage of Abraham, which was chosen by God, and foretold he would be the father of all nations (Chrisitianity would encompass all nations, through his descendant, Jesus and we are watching thay happen across this globe.) Again, Bible prophecy must be fulfilled. It will happen no other way. Sorry but that means even Brahma has nothing to do with the Bible.
@@parjanyashukla176 Israeli and international archaeologists would definitely disagree with you and certainly dispute your argument…and they are SECULAR scholars, so there’s no bias.
Its kinda fun conversation like how tenasious D he was lookin at that postr when he chose to leave home
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I started watching this very cautiously afraid it would be weird or make quantum leaps ot something like that. But no, this fits extremely well with things I already knew to make a ton of sense.
I had focused on the Great Rift Valley since I was making a connection to Africa. I would like to expand a bit more on exactly where they got the information that Cush was in that particular mountain range just for curiosities sake. I may have to dig for a book or something on this.
I was very aware that of course Babylon & Sumer had to be a root source since Abraham is supposed to have come from Ur.
I had run into those connections eons ago. Oddly enough I has thought that if Eden was a place at all it would likely be under water. Just because these stories seem to go back to a time of Ice Age not the actual creation of the Universe.
Oral mythology or history always seems to carry a memory thread to actual events somehow. I think these stories began as oral history then later were applied to newer revelations about the spiritual world most cultures seem to sense.
This just ties things I had read or sensed & puts something quite real to it.
Interesting video, I would be interested to know more about the geologic history of the area, wish I could had a sit down with him to discuss this. Geoffrey Bibby was actually first to propose that Dilmun, which he identified with Bahrain, as the prototype of the biblical Eden in the 50s. He wrote a book on his theory, Searching for Dilmun, in 1961.
Love the story (metaphor) of Adam and his birth-child, Eve, together with the warning of the dangers of following the advice of the very first family lawyer-consultant . . . The Serpent.
The earth was catastrophicly changed by the worldwide flood of Noah and the garden of Eden is no more....
Amazing! Very educational. Thanks.
It's a great theory
I love applying science to the Bible. It just proves that the book is pretty accurate, not perfect as they are stories that were repeated by mouth but still accurate!
We are all of the human race and therefore we all have the same history hense nothing was plagerised in the Bible...
I have no religion but enjoy these biblical mysteries. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Fascinating, great video.
It is fascinating. This is real academic research. I find it very tiresome when doubters just roll their eyes and look at people who find a basis in the origins of these stories as gullible simpletons who believe in fairy tales.
@@jameshogan6142 So very true. The vast majority of us value science and believe it can support Biblical accounts.
@@shelleyhender8537 Correct. I remember being taught in High School by our geography teacher that rivers and lakes are not permanent features of the landscape and appear and disappear according to weather, climate changes, earthquakes, volcanic activity etc.
@@jameshogan6142 I too was fortunate to have an extremely talented high school geography teacher who introduced the explanation of disappearing lakes and rivers…but…I really became fascinated by geography at university, when I took it as an elective for credits towards my archaeology degree.
It truly helps when we have knowledgeable educators willing to go the extra mile!
You obviously value education…something I believe is important throughout our lives.
As you texted me, I was watching a series on CBC focusing on the contributions of the Canadian military in WWII. My grandfathers were veterans, so I try to learn as much as I can. I think some of us are naturally inclined to be lifelong learners.
Well worth the watch.
Adam and Eve defy evolution and they’re looking for the garden of Eden?! This is ludicrous.
Very interesting, he was soo close.
This was very good
I'm really not keen on people talking at the top of their voices breathlessly. I know hes obviously passionate but it comes off as a bit crazed.
48:45 Ancient Egyptians also swapped north and south with regards to discussing the direction in which the river Nile flowed.
The Garden of Eden was/is around the confluence of the Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois and Meramec Rivers. Ancient evidence everywhere
Springfield resident here. Surprisingly never heard of this guy. Not really sure what to think but GO BEARS!
You only have the "recorded" use of the word "Eden". How long was it in use before it was written down in a surviving text???
We don't know that and that's allright a tleast we know the oldest use so far...
Lot more opinion than fact in this
If billions people from differents place tell the same story from the past. Thats probably not just story or myth but thats a truth.
Billions of people with no first hand account and only a book to tell them?
Paradise lost a great metal band too
Words were first created and spoken before ever being written down...
"where a river would once have flowed" flown* ftfy
We do know the Nile has changed its course many times. So what was the course of the Nile back in the time when the Garden of Eden existed???
This is known. You can research it in geological maps of the upper-paleolithic period.
@@ems4884 -- I don't trust much coming out of secular science...especially concerning biblical history. They'll do anything to disprove biblical events...even lie...
It never shifted past the red sea.. so that's kind of impossible
I think there is an Aldi store built over it today
I have seen some people associate Dilmun (or Tilmun, depending on translation) associated with Bahrain. I think it may been Bauval and Hancock, although it may have been David Rohl.
Um.. what break through? Dude just made a bunch of assumptions and really didnt prove anything.
His theory at least has some logic to it. And it does make sense that maybe some bits of meaning have become lost.
IF IF IF the Flood in the Bible is the telling of the Ice Age melt that raised the sea Level 400 Feet - - Then Eden was BEFORE the Flood so we are talking more than 12000 years ago ... Very incredible that word of mouth legends told around the home fires in the evening, carried that information for such a long time ...
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David Rohl placed it where Tabriz is.
I'm not sure if he is correct but he makes a compelling argument. Especially with the concept of the water's flowing out of that part of the world as opposed to this theory that they're moving towards what is the Persian Gulf.
can we get to the science, not just feeling
Lots of stories and lots of truths about only one fact and one truth!
The weight of the ice age glaciers depressed the mantle under the crust and relocated the mantle to the edges of the glaciers causing crust up lifting and changes in water flow.
Abraham was from Ur, which was a city in Sumeria! So he was aware of the Sumerian mythology!
So Zarins don't harden your heart like they did during the rebellion but humble yourself under the mighty hand of God & He will lift you up! Revival or we die!❤
The Garden of Eden is all around us. We dig it up, pave over it, build on it. It's the world wild animals live in. The ability to live in nature without any technology. Bare naked, no tools, fire, just your bare hands. We can never go back.
From the earth/clay you came & to the earth you/body you shall return.
Rivers can only be seen from space with special photography beneath the surface.
God have us science. As long as science isn’t followed as doctrine but respected and used for good then I think it’s righteous. Anyone who says follow the science and that the science is the only truth is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
now seriously. The level of stupidity that goes along with people of faith is truly shocking. If God had actually cast the original people, the original man and woman out of Eden. What makes you think that any human being would be able to re-enter this sacred space?eventually some human would wander back in there if it was actually real. But like the majority of stories in the Bible. It was mythology! Man humans scare me.
Your comment shows a high level of stupidity also
Can't you read? Eden isn't a normal place. Plus there are cherubim and a flashing sword guarding the way
i totally agree ,like we can prove dinosaures were here before man,long before. or nohas ark,like comon really,every specie of animal.,insect bird!
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@@br.mwell that makes perfect sense. 😂
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It makes sense that there are truths found in the Bible. Locations, Natural disasters. People etc. It just doesn't necessarily mean that there were talking snakes and mythical sky deities. 🤷🏼♀️ There are lots of fact based aspects of Greek mythology. There just simply wasn't a Mount Olympus loaded with magic gods.
It really existed and many believe it was in what would become Jerusalem. I think it was in Anatolia... East of Modern Turkey...near Gobekitepe...prehaps.
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The Garden of Eden is a myth, but one we have all experienced. The Garden of Eden was the womb and birth was the expulsion from the Garden of Eden.
the world has forgotten the Great Flood, Eden was well and truly destroyed
All of earth was and is Paradise. It's only that we humans are living in darkness now. Hang around for another 10,000 years. You'll see. 😊
There are those that believe its in turkey and its interesting that noahs arc was discovered thats where it ended up on mount ararat
Was it in turkey ?
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The stunning thing about this is, that believers don't want it to be reality. This is Platonism gone haywire in Western religion. It's crazy!
At 46:25 :"No easy living here - if people wanted food, they had to grow it - they had to become farmers." Did the first farmers have pink nail polish on their toe nails?
Its not in this dimension its on Earth but we cant see it as we've been cast out. Its gaurded by 2 angels with flaming swords. Does this mean god know one day we may be able to open a portal? 😮
Its amazing story no wonder Eden can’t be found cuz its submerged…
Sometimes any story normally has some truth and just because you try to prove something with science doesn’t make it real or not. My guess is that most things ancient have some truth but that doesn’t mean it’s what you think. It’s hard sometimes to explain things to people that have never seen it.
There is a fundamental construct that makes Eden come into question. In genesis Adam is expelled from a set of people before discovering Eden. So Eden is not the source of man, or its common story. Also before Eve turns up, he was already married to another.😊
How can the biblical scholar John day use the Bible to disprove the location of Eden?
Firstly like many Bible stories they are borrowed, rewritten and changed to fit their own narrative
Second there are many versions of the Bible giving varying accounts of these stories. One could say up river, one down river, one with no mention of direction
But the third and most important point is that there has been a large amount of grammatical errors when translating these stories into Hebrew and other languages resulting in names, places, phrases, sentences and large parts of stories being incorrect.
If the direction of a river is john days strongest argument to dispute Zarins and his teams work then he's failed miserably and indirectly shown how solid their evidence is.
The book "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeloy's New Vision of Ancient Isreal and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts" by Isreal Finlestein and Neil Asher Siberman. It's a must read.
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Nice story but only 10000 years ago plenty of civilisations older than Sumer
Does anyone know if Zarins published a book on his theory? I can't find anything online.
The tree was the previous ancient alien civilisation in Sumer. I'm clever hey?
In fact there is more proof proving a Young Earth than an Earth that is millions of years old...
where does the Quraan supposedly mention Ubar??? Everytime I come across quackery in reference to Arabic and Islam, the only conclusion I have is that your other flapping must be quackery too
You would think that an omnipotent god would protect their garden that houses the tree of knowledge.
Edom ... Adam Eden Edom was an ancient kingdom in Transjordan, located between Moab to the northeast, the Arabah to the west, and the Arabian Desert to the south and east.. 4 heads . Gen 48:17 Joseph replaces Dan in Rev 6:12-17
Genesis 2:10. “And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; (Jordan Dan Guardians Gen 3:24 and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
@HearTruth. Damn dude, you can't use the bible to prove the bible!!
@@CommonSenceGUY79 1st I am not a dude. 2nd b/c you say I can't use the Bible to prove the Bible? What does that even mean. ? Jn 17:17 so yes I use the Bible b/c what Bible says is truth. Historical events are as stated in the Bible. Sad how you believe mans historical record over the Word of God. Is this *"common sense" or common core mentality?* Psa 118:8 Think about that. God bless you
@@CommonSenceGUY79 ps It's me "Hear Truth" I have 2 accounts. ok
@@JLynnBkNy #1} "you're not a dude" dude is UNISEXUAL #2} "you can't use the bible to prove the bible" that simply mean, you can't use a book to prove that same book, you need outside SOURCES to confirm the book, the bible is not a HISTORY book it's a RELIGIOUS book, it makes claims but NO PROOF!! #3} The bible is not the word of God, it's the word of man, God didn't write the bible, man did! {that's common sense} Think about that!