Wilhelm: "We need subs." Tirpitz: "But, but they're useless," Wilhelm: "Shut the hell up, we building submarines goddamn-it." And that's how we got u-boats.
There was also a spanish submarine-developer,named "Narcís Monturiol",who developed a submarine prototype which was a great success,but it wasn't created for fighting,only for exploring and discovering new species underwater.
Did not know the Spanish were so invested in the idea of undersea warfare. While Holland in the US was developing his design there was also another inventor, Lake, who developed a design used for underwater exploration and salvage.
@@lutherblissett7873 Bueno, no es que España fuera muy relevante en la Primera Guerra Mundial. De todos modos, al menos llegó a mencionar a Isaac Peral en un vídeo bastante corto.
Germany also failed to develop tanks during WW1 and ended up being the nation which revolutionized tank warfare during WW2, even though Germany was easily outproduced by the Allies. As they say "The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese". Being the first isn't always synonymous with being the best.
The Russians had a good panzer in the BT7. From it they developed the T34c, arguably the best tank of WW2. Panzer for panzer, the Germans were better than the Americans, but war is not fought panzer for panzer. German panzers were too delicate. By that I mean, when the Americans sent 10 panzers to battle, 1 broke down and 9 got to the fight. When the Germans sent 10 panzers to battle, 5 or 6 broke down, leaving only 5 or 4 to fight. And parts were not interchangeable from the PZKW IVd to the PZKW IVe. I don't mean guns. I mean things like bogey wheels, tracks, and hatch doors.
@Feral lion - If you are saying the Germans were the first to utilise combined arms tactics, that's false - Australian general John Monash was famous for his very successful use of combined arms during the 1918 offensives, and was widely considered one of the best Entente generals of the war. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hamel
The combined arms style of warfare is as old as using Bows and Arrows, followed by a cavalry or even earlier a chariot charge. Military use of different weapons, placed in such a way as to provide their most effective use and mutual support to other units was used by Sumerians, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Carthaginians and so on through the centuries. The only things that changed was the style of weapon as in range, mobility and lethality
The only thing the germans revolutionized during WW2 was the tactics to use the tanks. The famous Panzers, on the other hand, were pretty shitty. Panzer I was made to be only a training tank, but was used as the main battle tank during the invasion of Poland. It had small weapons and a shitty armour. Same thing for Panzer II. Panzer III was quite good at the beggining of the war but still inferior against french tanks like Somua 35 and couldn't even beat a B1-Bis. Ironically, the first good tanks the germans got were the Panzer 35 and 38, all captured from the Czechslovak army. The same applies for the Panzer IV : even if it was an okay tank, it was inferior against the T-34. The Tigers I and II had huge guns and heavy armor, but they were so slow and used so much gas... Finally, the Panther is a special case, because it was the best german tank and have terrible cons at the same time. It Broke down easily (During the battle of Koursk, the germans used for the first time on the battlefield this new tank : the huge majority couldn't even fight the russians since they brke down before reaching the frontline) but was a beast once the crews learned to use it. The real innovations the germans made were putting radio in the tanks and improve immensely the cooperation among tanks and warplanes (this is one of the reason why the Wermarcht had so many successes in France in 1940 then in USSR in 1941 even if their tanks, alone, were inferior against their ennemy equivalent)
Germany focused on submarines because the Kaiser thought they were cool? That's got to be the first and last time that an impulsive order from a king has been a good idea.
My uncle was Vice President of The Electric Boat Company. He went all over the world selling munitions. He was given some great honor by the Emperor of Japan. His name was Sterling James Joiner. He sold all those subs to all our allies. It's a great story that I am researching.
Isaac Peral y Caballero (Cartagena, 1 June 1851 - 22 May 1895, Berlin), was a Spanish engineer, naval officer and designer of the Peral Submarine. He joined the Spanish navy in 1866, and developed the first electric-powered submarine which was launched in 1888, but it was not accepted by the naval authorities.
About Tirpitz. The problem with him was that he linked his professional carrier on his service memo 9 from 1894 where he strongly advocated battleship construction as the backbone of the fleet. The word backbone is important here. In his vision no class of ship was really unnecessary al long as they complemented the backbone of battleships. It wasn't that he was stupid or incapable of embracing new technology. His opposition against the submarine was more political. There where proposals to build a submarine fleet before WW1 in exchange for building fewer battleships. Tirpitz blockaded that because it conflicted with his vision from 1894. Tirpitz himself had at least some understanding of the devastating effect of torpedoes. Having served on a torpedo boot and having been the officer in command of the torpedo section when these weapons where introduced so he knew a thing or two about torpedoes. Both the use and the protection against torpedoes was an important part of his fleet program. The irony has it that Tipitz himself strongly argued for unrestricted submarine warfare in 1914 as a response to the British distant blockade while he opposed the construction before the war began. That shows that the man was realistic in a sense. The famous Risk theory always was based on the idea of a direct blockade of German ports and not a distant one. It also assumed that the Royal Navy would not be able to focus pretty much there entire fleet at home. With a direct blockade of German ports some smaller submarines are useful to attack the blockading ships along with torpedo boats while the main fleet attacks the main blockading force. By keeping some ships occupied you can enhance the chances for the main fleet. Now with the naval doctrine gone Tirpitz switched to the only realistic option left namely unrestricted submarine warfare. The point is that submarine warfare is fundamentally different from main fleet clashes and requires different vessels. For main fleet battles you need big guns, a lot of armour or high speed and torpedoes to counter battleships. Endurance of the ships doesn't really matter that much. Commence raiding requires endurance and few armaments or armour because the targets are unarmed or barely have any armament. Range matters here and you don't want to waist that with useless armour or extra guns you don't need. That also reflects for submarines. They where slow ships which where not really capable of keeping up with the main fleet sailing at high speeds during a battle. They could at typical cruising speeds but not if the fleet accelerated just before battle. If they can't keep up with the battleships they are pretty much useless during a battle the theory was. They also remained quite small and where only intended for Baltic and North sea operations and harbour defence. After WW1 broke out the size of these ships increases and so does the range to reflect the new reality.
Short wavelength RADAR, ASDIC and the decryption of Enigma turned submarines into death traps in the later half of WW2. If you know the position of a submarine it's just a slow little boat that can barely defend itself.
Indy you the literal man, for someone who's interest in the First World War peaked around the centenary this is perfect...the whole team is doing something amazing, something really amazing
If you find yourself in Charleston, South Carolina it is worth a visit to the CSS Hunley Museum. It is rather fascinating to imagine that such a crude device being able to sink a ship. It is also interesting to think that someone who saw the Hunley in action could also have seen a diesel electric submarine within their lifetime.
Hey Indy and the team!Thanks for the great job!I am brazillian and i heard about the two Brazilian monarchs who fought in WW1 with the british empire.(Sorry for any grammatical errors!)
You folks have done such an outstanding job (imo) presenting a history of the Great War, and then you top yourselves with specials like this one. You all are the bee's knees.
Sorry for my late reply but I must say that first torpedo patent was made by Ivan Lupis called "costal savior". Then he sell his patent to Robert Whitehead. His factory was in city of Rijeka nowdays in Croatia back then was Austro-Hungarian state. Launching ramp for torpedoes is still existing today. Proud of my city history 😊. Great chanel. 👍
LtKharn they were behind the curve. They bought the Holland design in secret so they could counter the massive submarine advancements the French had been working on since the late 1880s.
Good video hard to even picture John Holland going into the Spanish harbor sinking ships during the Spanish American War. Also cool insights on submarine development this invention really changed war in some part.
Hey Indy I love your show so much!!! I really Appreciate what you and your crew are making!! I have been really hoping you could talk about Germanys interests in China including the acquisition of Qingdao or at least what happened at the Siege of Tsingtao. That would definitely make me want to be your biggest fan!! Kind regards Mr Dominic DaHoff
Love this channel! As a young boy growing up around Fort Worth, TX, I fondly remember the skies being covered in B52 bombers and F-16 fighters. The former because of Carswell Air Force base where the planes were stationed and the latter because General Dynamics cranked out F-16s in huge numbers. Never did I realize the origin of GD coming from Holland's Electric Boat Company. Amazing piece of information, something I feel like I should have known, especially since my grandfather spent his career at Convair, follow by GD after their acquisition of Convair in the 50s. Sadly, still living in the DFW area, we don't see many such cool planes anymore, except for the occasional F-18, coming from Carswell (now the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base). And although Lockheed (formerly GD) is allegedly "home of the F35," it's sad that we don't get to see them in the skies around here as final assembly and testing is overseas.
Jay Ballauer GD did not originate with Electric Boat Company. Electric Boat Company is simply a subsidiary of GD. Kind of like ESPN, Marvel, etc did not originate with Disney but are now part of Disney as Disney owns them.
@@lanceheaps581 Not certain, but I think Electric Boat renamed itself after it bought an aircraft manufacturer. he , under the GD name, started competing for a variety of defense contracts.
The Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics Corp or EB for short, is just down the road from were I live, some of my friends work there! It had a much bigger presents in the Area along with the Navy in General in the 1960's than it dose today, back in the day they use to launch a new sub every 6 or 7 months or so and had a 40K + work force, now its down to less than 10K and they a lot of over haul work, thou they did launch a sub last year! There is the Sub School at the Base, and a Museum were you can see the USS Nautilus, the first Nuclear Sub in Groton, CT! The yard is a really high tech place now- its amazing on how they put a sub together!
WW1 Submarine warfare seems like a dark area in history. Pre-submarine development is even darker. Thank you for this! I am trying to catch up as I was in the hospital lol got a lot to dig through!
ftffighter worth noting is that the French created the first self-propelled sub, the first sub to torpedo a battleship in exercises, mounted the first deck guns, and built the first diesel boat. The French were the true pioneers of the modern submarine but that was completely left out of this episode despite them being literally a decade ahead of Holland and his first successful boat.
Sad to say, but without war, we wouldn't have a lot of our best inventions, or they'd be MUCH further behind in development. I wish we could muster the same enthusiasm for innovation in peacetime :(
I don't see it like that at all. Keeping a standing army and doing the research for the innovations was expensive and manny brilliant people, parents of future brilliant people, inspiring teachers,... where killed. If all that talent and funds would not have been wasted, things would be even better now (over all, humanity is improoving, imho. I enjoy greater luxuries than even a king could dream of a couple of decades ago).
A question for Out of the Trenches: Wonderful show! I love it. I discovered this show only recently, and am still catching up, so if this question has already been answered, I'll find it. Stock footage of howitzers doing their thing during the Great War show them bouncing around and rolling back and forth from the tremendous recoil. How did gunners maintain their aim under these circumstances?
Hey Indy. Love the channel. I have an Out of the Trenches question. Just like a fighter pilots life expectancy could be measured in months or missions, what was the average life expectancy of a German submarine?
Dear Indy and the great war team. i have a request on each episode if possible can you please add the quotes i love it when you add the quotes alot of them tell/show me the feeling of the war.
A really good episode. The only question now I have how did torpedoes work? That is, what was the type of engine that propelled a torpedo? How was the aiming accomplished? Suggestion: like you have your friend explain the rifles and pistols of WWI, why don't you see if you can get some one to explain how torpedoes were made and how they worked and how they were launched. I read that the Japanese were the first ones who thought of the idea of using compress air to launch a torpedo. Again, a really good show.
I wonder if there should be a mention in the series of great technical innovations that were surprisingly missed during WW 1, yet could have played a role if circumstances had permitted. I am thinking in particular of an early version of radar invented by Christian Hülsmeyer prior to the war and patented in both Britain and Germany.
Hey Indy and the team! One thing that I have noted when all these names appear on screen. A lot of the people involved in WW1 (obviously not the ones that died in the war) die not long after. von Hötzendorf -25, Haig and Cadorna -28 and ok, those didn't die right after the war, but without having time to check every single person mentioned all these episodes there are a lot of dead between 1918 and 1928. Was it the flu pandemic, old men dying from age, suicides, war related diseases, executions? Of course there isn't one explanation, but is it a path to follow?
Yes, my grandmum was 9 year old when the war started and died 16 years ago. Still I think it might be interesting to have a follow up from the Chair of Wisdom.
I think that you need to look at the ages of those involved. The reason they all died in the 20's is because they were all old when the war started. The military brass nowadays is much younger now than back then.
Electric Boat/General Dynamics is a familiar company to anybody from Connecticut but I didn't know that story behind it. These are the kind of juicy morsels I subscribed to this channel for in the first place. By the way, Connecticut produced a huge amount of firearms and munitions throughout the war. The Remington factory in Bridgeport alone provided 50% of the US Army's small arms cartridges. Give us a special ;)
One last Out of the Trenches question: Can you please elaborate the advances in metallurgy that occurred before the war and during the war to allow the construction of bigger and better artillery? How did the armies of the Great War avoid the fate of James II of Scotland?
Hey! I was born in Patterson! I'll have to visit that sub on my way to school! Super cool! Had no idea it was there! (Probably the only good thing to happen to that town in 100+ years. But of a dump but hey the old colt revolver was invented there too and had a factory there.
Must be! Most of the sail powered ships of the line were scrapped after the invention of the steam engine. I believe, the HMS Victory was only intact major British ship of the line at the begining of the 20th century. It is funny seeing it outside the dry dock, but the dry dock was not operational before the year 1922 and this photo must be earlier than that.
Yeah, I visited it few years ago. It is still at Portsmouth but it is not anchored, it sits on the dry dock and has all its original artillery replaced with replicas to reduce stress of the hull. I guess it has not been sailing (like seen in the picture) for almost hundred years.
It has to be. Three gun decks... I can't imagine there were any other Ships of the Line remaining at that time. I think you can see her again in another picture at 5:14.
There was another Lineship around at the time. HMS Implacable, a 74-gun third-rate ship-of-the-line captured from the French after Trafalgar. I believe that at the time that picture was taken, Implacable was a training ship. It was scuttled in 1947 flying both the British and French flags side-by-side. There was also another 74-gun, the HMS Wellesley, at the time that picture was taken she was a school ship, I think. In 1940 she was hit by a German bomb and subsequently sank, making her the last ship-of-the-line to be sunk by an enemy.
No. Afloat? Yes, but at that point in time her condition was described as 'nothing short of an insult' and she was practically rotting in port for several decades. Still, in that picture she's still as beautiful as ever at a century and a half old.
Could you please talk about aircraft carriers? I know that they were much more influential in WWII and later, but they were used in WWI as well. I could help with research if you want :)
hey Indy please do an episode special about the Romanian involvement in the Great War! Your videos are awesome and it would be cool if could research on this subject!
the french navy experimented with submarines from the later half of the 19'th century on, and a submarine named le plonjeur (the diver) was the inspiration for jules verne's naotilus. the question is, which type of submarine may be considered to be the breakthrough model, since so many experiments have taken place before the great war?
Hi Indie, great episode as usual. Please remember however, it's not "the HMS" (i.e. "the His Majesty's Ship") just HMS Victory, for example. British ships are also often named without the definite article. HMS Victory could therefore just be called Victory after it was formerly named as being a Royal Navy vessel. /Grammar Pre-Nazi mode. ;-)
Has there been an episode about experimental weapons and vessels, that never took off in large scale, but were actually seen in real combat? Forgotten weapons has made many great episodes with very interesting historics of many guns, but I don't see any reason why this channel couldn't do it too with at least some guns, giving more detailed views of how they performed etc.. anyways, great show, thanks for doing this!
Another question for Out of the Trenches: Please explain how counter-battery fire worked in the Great War. In modern times, we have radar that can see shells in flight and calculate their firing location, but they obviously didn't have such goodies back then. Was it all just educated guesswork?
Greetings Mr. Neidell and TGW team, i have some questions for Out of the Trenches.What happened to the immigrants who adquired the citizenships from the nations in conflict and have national conscription? Were they forced to serve? Were deported? And what if they were from opposing nations (example: a german living in france who had adquired french citizenship)? Those are muy questions, i do have a lot more, but these are the more "important" at the moment. Thanks and greetings from mexico. Keep with the good show.
Hey 'The Great War', I recently heard that between the A.N.Z.A.C and Turkish trenches at the Gallipoli campaign that sometimes since the trenches didn't have that much spacing between them that the Turkish soldiers would throw over certain foods to the A.N.Z.A.C forces, like jams and bread since they didn't have to much hatred for each other. I would like to ask if this is true and if any other acts like these were shown between both sides. Thanks for the great show and keep up the good work.
HMS Victory. A 104-gun ship-of-the-line launched in 1767, famous for being Admiral Nelson's flagship at Trafalgar. She's still around to this day as a museum ship in Portsmouth.
thanks! at first I thought it was large a man-o-war, then I counted the guns & realized it was a ship of the line. Appreciate the reply, will have to check her out more.
Number one on my list of all time favourite views is Das Boot. Here is a film that has for some an ability to transport a viewer on this patrol and to be able to achieve that piece of magic is quite a feat. I enjoy Navy themed films but those featuring Submarines really do hit the spot. What I would like to see would be more movies themed around British,- R.N., Submarines. Mostly it's US and German boats featured and still super enjoyable especially Submarines from the pre-Nuclear era. Nuclear era boats appear featureless, bloated and plain when compared visually to the diesel electric boats.
So German was dead last in submarine production before the war started. How very strange. I bet no one thought they would be as wildly successful as they were. Loved this video. Great job.
Hey Indy and team. I have a question, perhaps you can talk about it on out of the trenches? You've touched on Pals before; battalions made up of men from the same village, town or industry. The mention of industry reminded me of a something I heard about Pals and artillery shells. I heard a disproportionate number of artillery shell factory workers signed up for the Pals Battalions and when they took heavy losses that lead to a shortage of qualified shell manufacturers. I understood this to mean unqualified worker replaced them in the factories and produced shells of a lower quality. Is this one of the contributing factors in the large amount of non-exploded munitions along the western front today? Did the central powers have a similar problem with duds? Vielen Dank für eure tolle Arbeit für die Show!
As a question of the up-most interest, was any nation of the first world war especially advanced in the field of medical care, as the French were in the early Napoleonic wars or had the increased levels of international co-operation and understanding created a situation in which most nations were at a very similar level of advancement in medical care for the soldiers? I greatly admire the work you and the group do and think you are all thoroughly excellent chaps!
Yet another question for Out of the Trenches: Modern day, we (America) operate small-diameter mortars that are attached (correct me if I'm wrong) one tube per infantry company and one battery of self-propelled per infantry battalion. How widespread was the use of mortars during the Great War, and what impact did they have on the course of events?
Amazed actually by Holland's sub...even before the U-Boats, his design was remarkably similar to modern subs, with the rounded and less "boatlike" shape, and large single propeller.
Hi Indie, what about an episode about the defences against submarines such as the simply bizarre efforts to train seagulls to detect subs by the British. great work by you and the team as always........M
great show, thank you for all your doing. I here you talking about inventions and I have a quick question, was black powder still being used at all in WW1?
I find it interesting that no mention of the first submarine kill was made. As most military historians know, it was the USS Housatonic sunk by the CSS Hunley with a spar torpedo in 1864.
I found it irronic that Germany was hassitent in having a submarine fleet, given that the German navy was famous for it's u boot warfare in both wars. Great episode.
That is not the original submarine. Plus, Peral only beat Gymnote into the water by days... and Peral had gone to France while designing his boat. Coincidence that it was capable of self-propulsion just like the true first modern sub, Gymnote, which was designed and laid down first?
Hi.I have a question for out of the trenches.I want to know that are all of the nations that are in the war are focusing mainly on war? Are the nations' crime level or other problems like lack of recourses for the people a problem?By the way,keep up the good work.I always let my children watch this for information about the war.
a question about submarines: what is a diference in submarines italians for the others? This because the Portuguese sub are made in Italy and not in UK or in Germany. is because sub italians are cheep, better or faster? Great show! And in Portuguese: Continuem o trabalho!
You can actually visit the first German Submarine U1 deployed by the Kaiserlichen Marine in the Deutsches Museum in Munich. It's in great condition since it was already obsolete in WW1 and only used for training during the war. It is cut open to allow detailed inspection of the interior.
Wilhelm: "We need subs."
Tirpitz: "But, but they're useless,"
Wilhelm: "Shut the hell up, we building submarines goddamn-it."
And that's how we got u-boats.
who would know, it's not every day that the Kaiser overrules top brass and ends up doing his country a favor with it.
That was beautiful....great story 👏👏
When you're talking about the battleship Tirpitz
Fun fact: U-boat means Submarine in German.
the electric boat company totally sounds like a 60s band. XD
There was also a spanish submarine-developer,named "Narcís Monturiol",who developed a submarine prototype which was a great success,but it wasn't created for fighting,only for exploring and discovering new species underwater.
Did not know the Spanish were so invested in the idea of undersea warfare. While Holland in the US was developing his design there was also another inventor, Lake, who developed a design used for underwater exploration and salvage.
No esperes que mencionen a un español en estos temas. A España siempre se la ignora en este tipo de vídeos.
@@lutherblissett7873 Bueno, no es que España fuera muy relevante en la Primera Guerra Mundial. De todos modos, al menos llegó a mencionar a Isaac Peral en un vídeo bastante corto.
Germany also failed to develop tanks during WW1 and ended up being the nation which revolutionized tank warfare during WW2, even though Germany was easily outproduced by the Allies. As they say "The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese". Being the first isn't always synonymous with being the best.
But they were the first to recognize, develop, and implement modern combined arms maneuver warfare. So they were the early bird in that aspect.
The Russians had a good panzer in the BT7. From it they developed the T34c, arguably the best tank of WW2.
Panzer for panzer, the Germans were better than the Americans, but war is not fought panzer for panzer. German panzers were too delicate. By that I mean, when the Americans sent 10 panzers to battle, 1 broke down and 9 got to the fight. When the Germans sent 10 panzers to battle, 5 or 6 broke down, leaving only 5 or 4 to fight. And parts were not interchangeable from the PZKW IVd to the PZKW IVe. I don't mean guns. I mean things like bogey wheels, tracks, and hatch doors.
@Feral lion - If you are saying the Germans were the first to utilise combined arms tactics, that's false - Australian general John Monash was famous for his very successful use of combined arms during the 1918 offensives, and was widely considered one of the best Entente generals of the war.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hamel
The combined arms style of warfare is as old as using Bows and Arrows, followed by a cavalry or even earlier a chariot charge. Military use of different weapons, placed in such a way as to provide their most effective use and mutual support to other units was used by Sumerians, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Carthaginians and so on through the centuries. The only things that changed was the style of weapon as in range, mobility and lethality
The only thing the germans revolutionized during WW2 was the tactics to use the tanks. The famous Panzers, on the other hand, were pretty shitty. Panzer I was made to be only a training tank, but was used as the main battle tank during the invasion of Poland. It had small weapons and a shitty armour. Same thing for Panzer II. Panzer III was quite good at the beggining of the war but still inferior against french tanks like Somua 35 and couldn't even beat a B1-Bis. Ironically, the first good tanks the germans got were the Panzer 35 and 38, all captured from the Czechslovak army.
The same applies for the Panzer IV : even if it was an okay tank, it was inferior against the T-34. The Tigers I and II had huge guns and heavy armor, but they were so slow and used so much gas... Finally, the Panther is a special case, because it was the best german tank and have terrible cons at the same time. It Broke down easily (During the battle of Koursk, the germans used for the first time on the battlefield this new tank : the huge majority couldn't even fight the russians since they brke down before reaching the frontline) but was a beast once the crews learned to use it.
The real innovations the germans made were putting radio in the tanks and improve immensely the cooperation among tanks and warplanes (this is one of the reason why the Wermarcht had so many successes in France in 1940 then in USSR in 1941 even if their tanks, alone, were inferior against their ennemy equivalent)
I think this channel will get a lot of new sub-scribers after this episode.
..especially in Holland
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oh... met het zeeniveau enzo natuurlijk ok sorry
niet het zeeniveau, eerder dit: 2:05
This is what he means: 2:05
Germany focused on submarines because the Kaiser thought they were cool? That's got to be the first and last time that an impulsive order from a king has been a good idea.
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Fun fact: U-boat means submarine in German.
@@engelsteinberg593 it actually is under sea boat.
@@averageyoutubeuser851 If you traduce it "literaly". But in practical and real terms it means submarine
@@engelsteinberg593 yea
My uncle was Vice President of The Electric Boat Company. He went all over the world selling munitions. He was given some great honor by the Emperor of Japan. His name was Sterling James Joiner. He sold all those subs to all our allies. It's a great story that I am researching.
means you're pretty well of money wise.
@@AlexHalt100 nope, poor.
@@janetjoiner9204 aw dangit
Isaac Peral y Caballero (Cartagena, 1 June 1851 - 22 May 1895, Berlin), was a Spanish engineer, naval officer and designer of the Peral Submarine. He joined the Spanish navy in 1866, and developed the first electric-powered submarine which was launched in 1888, but it was not accepted by the naval authorities.
ppmtnez no he didn’t, the French did that first. Peral’s boat was begun after, but beat the French sub to launching date by days.
Saw it there. Without torpedoes.
It's crazy to think about how far we've come in the ability to kill each other.
About Tirpitz. The problem with him was that he linked his professional carrier on his service memo 9 from 1894 where he strongly advocated battleship construction as the backbone of the fleet. The word backbone is important here. In his vision no class of ship was really unnecessary al long as they complemented the backbone of battleships. It wasn't that he was stupid or incapable of embracing new technology. His opposition against the submarine was more political. There where proposals to build a submarine fleet before WW1 in exchange for building fewer battleships. Tirpitz blockaded that because it conflicted with his vision from 1894.
Tirpitz himself had at least some understanding of the devastating effect of torpedoes. Having served on a torpedo boot and having been the officer in command of the torpedo section when these weapons where introduced so he knew a thing or two about torpedoes. Both the use and the protection against torpedoes was an important part of his fleet program.
The irony has it that Tipitz himself strongly argued for unrestricted submarine warfare in 1914 as a response to the British distant blockade while he opposed the construction before the war began. That shows that the man was realistic in a sense. The famous Risk theory always was based on the idea of a direct blockade of German ports and not a distant one. It also assumed that the Royal Navy would not be able to focus pretty much there entire fleet at home. With a direct blockade of German ports some smaller submarines are useful to attack the blockading ships along with torpedo boats while the main fleet attacks the main blockading force. By keeping some ships occupied you can enhance the chances for the main fleet.
Now with the naval doctrine gone Tirpitz switched to the only realistic option left namely unrestricted submarine warfare. The point is that submarine warfare is fundamentally different from main fleet clashes and requires different vessels. For main fleet battles you need big guns, a lot of armour or high speed and torpedoes to counter battleships. Endurance of the ships doesn't really matter that much. Commence raiding requires endurance and few armaments or armour because the targets are unarmed or barely have any armament. Range matters here and you don't want to waist that with useless armour or extra guns you don't need. That also reflects for submarines. They where slow ships which where not really capable of keeping up with the main fleet sailing at high speeds during a battle. They could at typical cruising speeds but not if the fleet accelerated just before battle. If they can't keep up with the battleships they are pretty much useless during a battle the theory was. They also remained quite small and where only intended for Baltic and North sea operations and harbour defence. After WW1 broke out the size of these ships increases and so does the range to reflect the new reality.
Lol again? :P
Thank you for your interesting comment
Gotta admit that folks that went to submarine service really had a pair on them. If I recall U-boats had enormous casualty rates in WW2.
depends on which nation you look at. The US subs in the Pacific were very successful.
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Short wavelength RADAR, ASDIC and the decryption of Enigma turned submarines into death traps in the later half of WW2. If you know the position of a submarine it's just a slow little boat that can barely defend itself.
+Kuhlfurst Indeed so. Das Boot. The best film about submarine's ever, maybe even the best war film ever.
I agree that Das Boot is the best submarine film, but IMO the best war film is Blackhawk Down.
Indy you the literal man, for someone who's interest in the First World War peaked around the centenary this is perfect...the whole team is doing something amazing, something really amazing
Thanks, glad you like the show.
If you find yourself in Charleston, South Carolina it is worth a visit to the CSS Hunley Museum. It is rather fascinating to imagine that such a crude device being able to sink a ship. It is also interesting to think that someone who saw the Hunley in action could also have seen a diesel electric submarine within their lifetime.
Hey Indy and the team!Thanks for the great job!I am brazillian and i heard about the two Brazilian monarchs who fought in WW1 with the british empire.(Sorry for any grammatical errors!)
You folks have done such an outstanding job (imo) presenting a history of the Great War, and then you top yourselves with specials like this one. You all are the bee's knees.
I've missed so many episodes of this series whilst I was on holiday, and had now wi Fi.... Time to catch up now!
Me at 2:30 while watching this from a coffee shop in Patterson NJ: "Wait wtf really?"
John Holland was an Irish and his motivation for the invention of submarine was to sink the bloody ships of the bloody British Royal Navy xD
bloody hell
It's a good thing that the Bloody Germans did it for them isn't it?
Bloodyquidmate
That photo at 4:56 is awesome!
Thank you for preparing this video. I learned much from it.
I really appreciate your devoting so much time and effort to producing this GREAT series.
Sorry for my late reply but I must say that first torpedo patent was made by Ivan Lupis called "costal savior". Then he sell his patent to Robert Whitehead. His factory was in city of Rijeka nowdays in Croatia back then was Austro-Hungarian state. Launching ramp for torpedoes is still existing today. Proud of my city history 😊. Great chanel. 👍
What is it with the Brits and being ahead of the curve and then just going "nahhhh it'll never catch on"
LtKharn they were behind the curve. They bought the Holland design in secret so they could counter the massive submarine advancements the French had been working on since the late 1880s.
They already had millions of pounds invested in battleships. However, that didn't stop them building HMS Warrior.
Good video hard to even picture John Holland going into the Spanish harbor sinking ships during the Spanish American War. Also cool insights on submarine development this invention really changed war in some part.
Hey Indy I love your show so much!!! I really Appreciate what you and your crew are making!!
I have been really hoping you could talk about Germanys interests in China including the acquisition of Qingdao or at least what happened at the Siege of Tsingtao. That would definitely make me want to be your biggest fan!!
Kind regards
Mr Dominic DaHoff
Love this channel! As a young boy growing up around Fort Worth, TX, I fondly remember the skies being covered in B52 bombers and F-16 fighters. The former because of Carswell Air Force base where the planes were stationed and the latter because General Dynamics cranked out F-16s in huge numbers. Never did I realize the origin of GD coming from Holland's Electric Boat Company. Amazing piece of information, something I feel like I should have known, especially since my grandfather spent his career at Convair, follow by GD after their acquisition of Convair in the 50s.
Sadly, still living in the DFW area, we don't see many such cool planes anymore, except for the occasional F-18, coming from Carswell (now the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base). And although Lockheed (formerly GD) is allegedly "home of the F35," it's sad that we don't get to see them in the skies around here as final assembly and testing is overseas.
Jay Ballauer GD did not originate with Electric Boat Company. Electric Boat Company is simply a subsidiary of GD. Kind of like ESPN, Marvel, etc did not originate with Disney but are now part of Disney as Disney owns them.
@@lanceheaps581 Not certain, but I think Electric Boat renamed itself after it bought an aircraft manufacturer. he , under the GD name, started competing for a variety of defense contracts.
The Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics Corp or EB for short, is just down the road from were I live, some of my friends work there! It had a much bigger presents in the Area along with the Navy in General in the 1960's than it dose today, back in the day they use to launch a new sub every 6 or 7 months or so and had a 40K + work force, now its down to less than 10K and they a lot of over haul work, thou they did launch a sub last year! There is the Sub School at the Base, and a Museum were you can see the USS Nautilus, the first Nuclear Sub in Groton, CT! The yard is a really high tech place now- its amazing on how they put a sub together!
Greetings from Berlin.
That was awesome! It answered a lot of questions I've been wondering about.
So stoked to see a VICE NEWS article on you guys.
keep on kicking historical ass and taking historical names!
WW1 Submarine warfare seems like a dark area in history. Pre-submarine development is even darker. Thank you for this! I am trying to catch up as I was in the hospital lol got a lot to dig through!
ftffighter worth noting is that the French created the first self-propelled sub, the first sub to torpedo a battleship in exercises, mounted the first deck guns, and built the first diesel boat. The French were the true pioneers of the modern submarine but that was completely left out of this episode despite them being literally a decade ahead of Holland and his first successful boat.
Sad to say, but without war, we wouldn't have a lot of our best inventions, or they'd be MUCH further behind in development. I wish we could muster the same enthusiasm for innovation in peacetime :(
I don't see it like that at all. Keeping a standing army and doing the research for the innovations was expensive and manny brilliant people, parents of future brilliant people, inspiring teachers,... where killed. If all that talent and funds would not have been wasted, things would be even better now (over all, humanity is improoving, imho. I enjoy greater luxuries than even a king could dream of a couple of decades ago).
Nope. Competition between competing companies have made a lot more innovations than competition between competing countries.
Learn something new everyday. I had no idea GDLS General Dynamics got started that way.
Why have I not seen this show before? Thanks for the great information! Liked, subscribed and I also hit that bell thingy!
YES, I'VE WAITED FOR IT FOR SO LONG!
A question for Out of the Trenches:
Wonderful show! I love it. I discovered this show only recently, and am still catching up, so if this question has already been answered, I'll find it. Stock footage of howitzers doing their thing during the Great War show them bouncing around and rolling back and forth from the tremendous recoil. How did gunners maintain their aim under these circumstances?
Hey Indy. Love the channel. I have an Out of the Trenches question. Just like a fighter pilots life expectancy could be measured in months or missions, what was the average life expectancy of a German submarine?
Special episode about Japanese in WW1 please~ ^^
Love your series btw
Working on it.
much obliged! thanks! ^^
Dear Indy and the great war team. i have a request on each episode if possible can you please add the quotes i love it when you add the quotes alot of them tell/show me the feeling of the war.
this channel has an absolutely OUTSTANDING like to dislike ratio on their videos... Keep up the great work y'all
Certainly proud of that.
I was in Portsmouth this weekend and saw HMS Victory (was in the background of one of the stills)
Very interesting video. Thank you for remembering Isaac Peral, but what about Narciso Monturiol?
Like always,wonderful!
A really good episode. The only question now I have how did torpedoes work? That is, what was the type of engine that propelled a torpedo? How was the aiming accomplished? Suggestion: like you have your friend explain the rifles and pistols of WWI, why don't you see if you can get some one to explain how torpedoes were made and how they worked and how they were launched. I read that the Japanese were the first ones who thought of the idea of using compress air to launch a torpedo. Again, a really good show.
I wonder if there should be a mention in the series of great technical innovations that were surprisingly missed during WW 1, yet could have played a role if circumstances had permitted. I am thinking in particular of an early version of radar invented by Christian Hülsmeyer prior to the war and patented in both Britain and Germany.
That sounds like a good idea.
Excellent!
Hey Indy and the team! One thing that I have noted when all these names appear on screen. A lot of the people involved in WW1 (obviously not the ones that died in the war) die not long after. von Hötzendorf -25, Haig and Cadorna -28 and ok, those didn't die right after the war, but without having time to check every single person mentioned all these episodes there are a lot of dead between 1918 and 1928. Was it the flu pandemic, old men dying from age, suicides, war related diseases, executions? Of course there isn't one explanation, but is it a path to follow?
This also might be a reason for some: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1900%E2%80%9344
Yes, my grandmum was 9 year old when the war started and died 16 years ago. Still I think it might be interesting to have a follow up from the Chair of Wisdom.
That page is almost too sad reading for one man to endure.
I think that they where old even during the war
I think that you need to look at the ages of those involved. The reason they all died in the 20's is because they were all old when the war started. The military brass nowadays is much younger now than back then.
Electric Boat/General Dynamics is a familiar company to anybody from Connecticut but I didn't know that story behind it. These are the kind of juicy morsels I subscribed to this channel for in the first place. By the way, Connecticut produced a huge amount of firearms and munitions throughout the war. The Remington factory in Bridgeport alone provided 50% of the US Army's small arms cartridges. Give us a special ;)
Sounds like we could pay a visit
Great episode
One last Out of the Trenches question:
Can you please elaborate the advances in metallurgy that occurred before the war and during the war to allow the construction of bigger and better artillery? How did the armies of the Great War avoid the fate of James II of Scotland?
Hey! I was born in Patterson! I'll have to visit that sub on my way to school! Super cool! Had no idea it was there! (Probably the only good thing to happen to that town in 100+ years. But of a dump but hey the old colt revolver was invented there too and had a factory there.
The people who thought using submarines in warfare is a stupid idea reminded me of Lindy's recent video about cavalry.
great episode guys!
4:59 is that the Victory in the background ?
Must be!
Most of the sail powered ships of the line were scrapped after the invention of the steam engine. I believe, the HMS Victory was only intact major British ship of the line at the begining of the 20th century. It is funny seeing it outside the dry dock, but the dry dock was not operational before the year 1922 and this photo must be earlier than that.
pehmomarsu it is still proudly anchored at Portsmouth I believe, and has still its honorary title of flagship of the Royal Navy.
Yeah, I visited it few years ago. It is still at Portsmouth but it is not anchored, it sits on the dry dock and has all its original artillery replaced with replicas to reduce stress of the hull. I guess it has not been sailing (like seen in the picture) for almost hundred years.
It has to be. Three gun decks... I can't imagine there were any other Ships of the Line remaining at that time.
I think you can see her again in another picture at 5:14.
There was another Lineship around at the time. HMS Implacable, a 74-gun third-rate ship-of-the-line captured from the French after Trafalgar. I believe that at the time that picture was taken, Implacable was a training ship. It was scuttled in 1947 flying both the British and French flags side-by-side.
There was also another 74-gun, the HMS Wellesley, at the time that picture was taken she was a school ship, I think. In 1940 she was hit by a German bomb and subsequently sank, making her the last ship-of-the-line to be sunk by an enemy.
The Isac Peral submarine was luanched in 1888 and it had electric motor, reached a depth of 30 meters and had a torpedo tube.
4:57 is that hms victory in the background? was it still useable at that point?
No. Afloat? Yes, but at that point in time her condition was described as 'nothing short of an insult' and she was practically rotting in port for several decades.
Still, in that picture she's still as beautiful as ever at a century and a half old.
Could you please talk about aircraft carriers? I know that they were much more influential in WWII and later, but they were used in WWI as well. I could help with research if you want :)
In Rhode Island general Dynamics facility Quonset point is still referred to as electric boat
What is the music on 1:05
hey Indy please do an episode special about the Romanian involvement in the Great War!
Your videos are awesome and it would be cool if could research on this subject!
he will
Next Monday.
the french navy experimented with submarines from the later half of the 19'th century on, and a submarine named le plonjeur (the diver) was the inspiration for jules verne's naotilus. the question is, which type of submarine may be considered to be the breakthrough model, since so many experiments have taken place before the great war?
Hi Indie, great episode as usual. Please remember however, it's not "the HMS" (i.e. "the His Majesty's Ship") just HMS Victory, for example.
British ships are also often named without the definite article. HMS Victory could therefore just be called Victory after it was formerly named as being a Royal Navy vessel.
/Grammar Pre-Nazi mode. ;-)
We will try to remember.
+The Great War you should play the battlefield 1 beta and see how accurate it is lol
Jackson3547 If the servers are ever online again.
Has there been an episode about experimental weapons and vessels, that never took off in large scale, but were actually seen in real combat? Forgotten weapons has made many great episodes with very interesting historics of many guns, but I don't see any reason why this channel couldn't do it too with at least some guns, giving more detailed views of how they performed etc.. anyways, great show, thanks for doing this!
Great episode 👍.
Another question for Out of the Trenches:
Please explain how counter-battery fire worked in the Great War. In modern times, we have radar that can see shells in flight and calculate their firing location, but they obviously didn't have such goodies back then. Was it all just educated guesswork?
I like the nodd to General Dynamics one of the US's largest defence and aerospace manufactures. They make so many things
Greetings Mr. Neidell and TGW team, i have some questions for Out of the Trenches.What happened to the immigrants who adquired the citizenships from the nations in conflict and have national conscription? Were they forced to serve? Were deported? And what if they were from opposing nations (example: a german living in france who had adquired french citizenship)? Those are muy questions, i do have a lot more, but these are the more "important" at the moment. Thanks and greetings from mexico. Keep with the good show.
The Peral sub was the first to fire a torpedo from an inside tube!
my peep itches
Hey 'The Great War', I recently heard that between the A.N.Z.A.C and Turkish trenches at the Gallipoli campaign that sometimes since the trenches didn't have that much spacing between them that the Turkish soldiers would throw over certain foods to the A.N.Z.A.C forces, like jams and bread since they didn't have to much hatred for each other. I would like to ask if this is true and if any other acts like these were shown between both sides. Thanks for the great show and keep up the good work.
Good stuff Indy =]
Have you done one on the aircraft carrier?
Not, yet.
So there is plans to do one?
scott gracie Plans is a strong word. But it's a good idea.
4:53. What ship is that in the background?
HMS Victory. A 104-gun ship-of-the-line launched in 1767, famous for being Admiral Nelson's flagship at Trafalgar.
She's still around to this day as a museum ship in Portsmouth.
thanks! at first I thought it was large a man-o-war, then I counted the guns & realized it was a ship of the line. Appreciate the reply, will have to check her out more.
love the topic
Number one on my list of all time favourite views is Das Boot. Here is a film that has for some an ability to transport a viewer on this patrol and to be able to achieve that piece of magic is quite a feat.
I enjoy Navy themed films but those featuring Submarines really do hit the spot.
What I would like to see would be more movies themed around British,- R.N., Submarines. Mostly it's US and German boats featured and still super enjoyable especially Submarines from the pre-Nuclear era.
Nuclear era boats appear featureless, bloated and plain when compared visually to the diesel electric boats.
614-0? Flawless video
U lads should do a analysis on the fps game Verdun. PRETTY ADDICTING GAME BTW
So German was dead last in submarine production before the war started. How very strange. I bet no one thought they would be as wildly successful as they were. Loved this video. Great job.
Hey Indy and team. I have a question, perhaps you can talk about it on out of the
trenches? You've touched on Pals before; battalions made up of men from the same village, town or industry. The mention of industry reminded me of a something I heard about Pals and artillery shells. I heard a disproportionate number of artillery shell factory workers signed up for the Pals Battalions and when they took heavy losses
that lead to a shortage of qualified shell manufacturers. I understood this to mean unqualified worker replaced them in the factories and produced shells of a lower quality. Is this one of the contributing factors in the large amount of non-exploded munitions along the western front today? Did the central powers have a similar problem with duds? Vielen Dank für eure tolle Arbeit für die Show!
0 dislikes...is this even possible? lol. good job, amazing video:)
As a question of the up-most interest, was any nation of the first world war especially advanced in the field of medical care, as the French were in the early Napoleonic wars or had the increased levels of international co-operation and understanding created a situation in which most nations were at a very similar level of advancement in medical care for the soldiers?
I greatly admire the work you and the group do and think you are all thoroughly excellent chaps!
interesting TY Indy
Yet another question for Out of the Trenches:
Modern day, we (America) operate small-diameter mortars that are attached (correct me if I'm wrong) one tube per infantry company and one battery of self-propelled per infantry battalion. How widespread was the use of mortars during the Great War, and what impact did they have on the course of events?
Are you guys going to make a special on the baltic states? By the way love this show keep up the great work!
We will. Not sure when, but we will.
Hello great war team! please do a submarine aviation special!
The intro music to videos sounds like Orson Welles War of the Worlds
Amazed actually by Holland's sub...even before the U-Boats, his design was remarkably similar to modern subs, with the rounded and less "boatlike" shape, and large single propeller.
The WHite torpedo had many drawbacks as you woul dexpect from a nascent technolgy. Sub skippers often surfaced and used their deck guns.
Hi Indie, what about an episode about the defences against submarines such as the simply bizarre efforts to train seagulls to detect subs by the British. great work by you and the team as always........M
We will have one for sure.
great show, thank you for all your doing. I here you talking about inventions and I have a quick question, was black powder still being used at all in WW1?
By reserve troops, especially in Austria-Hungary.
''Denn wir Fahren gegen Engeland, Engeland!''
Das ist wahr!
great video well i am off to the trenches in verdun take that fritzy time to go
I find it interesting that no mention of the first submarine kill was made. As most military historians know, it was the USS Housatonic sunk by the CSS Hunley with a spar torpedo in 1864.
Oh the Irony
Germany was late in Subs and Tank development
but later its was one of the bets nation to use both at a impressive efficiency
Maybe because German designers saw, and avoided, the mistakes of their foreign predecessors.
I've played Silent Hunter 3 for 100 hours and so I'm an expert on submarine warfare in ww2. This look at WW1 submarine warfare is very enlightening
And this was just the beginning.
Not enough I have 500 and that's not nearly enough to be an expert :D
One is never an expert on submarine warfare until he plays SH3 without time compression xD
+RGA1944 That's not a challenge, just boring...
+RGA1944 imagine playing it without time compression and manual navigation...
I found it irronic that Germany was hassitent in having a submarine fleet, given that the German navy was famous for it's u boot warfare in both wars. Great episode.
The original submarine is still in display on harbour: The Spanish submarine of Cartagena by Isaac Peral in 1888.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Peral
That is not the original submarine. Plus, Peral only beat Gymnote into the water by days... and Peral had gone to France while designing his boat. Coincidence that it was capable of self-propulsion just like the true first modern sub, Gymnote, which was designed and laid down first?
Evan Dwyer - Gotta love the chauvinism of the French. Be it by days, Peral was first, deal with it or cry, your choice.
can you tell about airgraft carriers. did airgraft see in use in ww1
Hi.I have a question for out of the trenches.I want to know that are all of the nations that are in the war are focusing mainly on war? Are the nations' crime level or other problems like lack of recourses for the people a problem?By the way,keep up the good work.I always let my children watch this for information about the war.
Will you guys do the 100 years war series week by week too?
EBO, that's my jam!
a question about submarines:
what is a diference in submarines italians for the others?
This because the Portuguese sub are made in Italy and not in UK or in Germany. is because sub italians are cheep, better or faster?
Great show!
And in Portuguese: Continuem o trabalho!
You can actually visit the first German Submarine U1 deployed by the Kaiserlichen Marine in the Deutsches Museum in Munich. It's in great condition since it was already obsolete in WW1 and only used for training during the war. It is cut open to allow detailed inspection of the interior.