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TheViper's New Feitoria Strat!

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  • Last year I uploaded this video ( • TheViper's Feitoria St... ) where TheViper attempted to use the Feitoria with Portuguese. It was a great game and now the Feitoria has been buffed so TheViper is trying it out! What do you think? Too weak? Too overpowered?
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  • @fruitenantcolonel9207
    @fruitenantcolonel9207 4 ปีที่แล้ว +451

    0:40
    Spirit of the Law: It's 25%

    • @Michal235
      @Michal235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      And earlier you got 20% less than now :D

    • @owlthemolfar4690
      @owlthemolfar4690 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      T90 Obviously mean that you got 20% more stone not wood he just misspell ;)

    • @TheAntoine185
      @TheAntoine185 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @BoSchwack 11

    • @Cythil
      @Cythil 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well he did say math is hard. But I reacted on that to. ;)

    • @Wooden_Badger
      @Wooden_Badger 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was thinking the same thing lol

  • @professorlabs
    @professorlabs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +487

    Monkel Jackson alone was worth this strat!

  • @kugerily
    @kugerily 4 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    15:42 Moon walking monks just made my day 11111

    • @santiagohitta
      @santiagohitta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      0:54 moon walking boar is better

    • @spIette
      @spIette 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "You can tell they practiced this"

    • @mvriofilho
      @mvriofilho 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Monkol Jackson lol

  • @MusicalBasics
    @MusicalBasics 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    i appreciate you continuing to put out YT content. No offense but I can't get sucked back into twitch livestreams - they took too much time out of my schedule and while it brought me a lot of joy, it just doesn't make sense for me at this point in my life to keep watching streams. On the other hand these YT videos are perfect since I can play through them at 2x speed and enjoy your commentary at the same time.

  • @Aleksi723
    @Aleksi723 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Viper pushing with 2 bombard cannons and 7 crossbows.
    Monkel Jackson: Hold my holy water

  • @DeMause
    @DeMause 4 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Don't forget a big value in going feitoria over vils is that they are almost immune to raiding. Even on open maps as long as you can get them onto the field they give you a much safer economy.

    • @hanshintermann1551
      @hanshintermann1551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plus, you don't have to think about them going idle etc.
      Still seems like a very fragile strategy, lol.

    • @DeMause
      @DeMause 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hanshintermann1551 Good for players like me who are shit at managing their economy and recovering from raids lol.

  • @priesten2763
    @priesten2763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    I think I understand why this strategy is so good. We all know that even the feitorias new resource speed, it isnt as fast as 20 vils. But lets say its about 15 vils. First of all 15 vils cost 750 food whereas feitorias total resource count is 500. When you boom all techs cost food so its crucial. Not only that, but to make those vils you need town centers that can only pop out one at a time. Imagine if sobek had 3 town centers instead of 2. Viper at only 1. He hits imp while sobek produces vils from three town centers. Thats 3 coming out at a time. But viper hitting imp he instantly builds two feitorias which instantly gets you 30 vils of production. Then another 3 feitorias (total 5 now) for a income worth of +75 vils. Added to the 41 vils he already had at the end of the game which is 116. Sobek at this point is only at 78 vils.
    This strategy succeeds because of the momentum, the instant those feitorias are up boom you get instant +15 vils of production. Meanwhile the town center boom is a slow trickle of villagers. Yes if sobek had 120 villagers compared to viper having only 6 feitorias and no vils (same population) sobek would have a faster economy but those feitorias just reach that point so much faster.

    • @user-kv3zz5ou5v
      @user-kv3zz5ou5v 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Actually, the feitoria is only roughly equals to 4 post-imp vils on food, 2 on wood, 1.5 on gold and 1 on stone.

    • @KevbotFalconhammer
      @KevbotFalconhammer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@user-kv3zz5ou5v True, but there is something to be said about the speed of it all, which Tomislav touches on in his original post. The problem with a fast imp is that it takes a lot of time to boom afterwards, getting the TCs out and pumping villagers. So it's a trade off, the advantage being in the higher age but the disadvantage of the weak economy and slow boom. With this strategy, you get the best of both worlds: higher age and an immediate boom. Plus, you don't have to spend as much time on macro (seeding farms, refreshing lumbercamps, assigning villagers to resources, etc.) so you can spend more time microing, which is huge advantage.

    • @alexanfung
      @alexanfung 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KevbotFalconhammer right, especially when the player is skillful enough to micro the units
      some of the players cannot reach higher because they cannot micro the units and developing the economy at the same time, like after a massive battle, the econ just went down, or you still do the econ, then you find out your 30 crossbows are destroyed by a mangonel

    • @martijn9568
      @martijn9568 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So it could be balanced by adjusting the cost and build time of feitorias?

    • @130lukas
      @130lukas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Martijn what are implying with that? This game shouldnt be taken as a need to nerf this building

  • @camwardart
    @camwardart 4 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Another big pro i see with the feitoria is that you don't have to manage them like villagers. Sure you can have great awareness of eco like the viper but your still building new lumber camps or town centers, moving the villagers around, and trying to claim new resources. All these things are causing minor delays/idles and requiring some amount of your focus that could go towards other tasks. I imagine there is a lot less demand on these things when yours managing 20 villagers instead of 100+. Now you can dedicate most of your time to micro game and military.

    • @WhatUpTKHere
      @WhatUpTKHere 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ward Camden harder to raid too

    • @An63rX3r0
      @An63rX3r0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Less economic micro-management and less susceptible to raids, yeah

  • @chanky1000
    @chanky1000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    0:40 T90, math is hard, it's 25%

  • @Matt-ln7lb
    @Matt-ln7lb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Some quick math on feitorias:
    They're worth ~5-6 farmers, ~2 lumberjacks (maybe 3 with the walking or 4 if you factor in the cost of farms and TCs needed for villagers), 2 gold miners (or ~2 relics), and ~1 stone miner, so about 10-11 Vils. It's probably not worth rushing them like that, but end-game when gold/stone has run out, they're definitely worth it. That said, there's something to be said about them being much faster to build than 10-11 vils and having a very nice distribution of income.
    With a fast imp like that, the fact that they can be built so quickly probably out-weighs the difference in total income compared to vils, especially considering they don't cost wood, which means your eco is set up faster than it would be with farms, and you have wood and food saved for upgrades and setting up unit production, and the gold income to produce units.
    That advantage of a much faster eco set up is probably enough to make the fast imp with Portuguese fairly strong, since while they may be behind 20-40 vils at that point, their eco disadvantage is quickly compensated for with feitorias, which should let them make easy use of their imp upgrades. I could see Portuguese going for 1 or 2 TC play on other maps and going for a faster imp with Feitorias.

    • @dra6o0n
      @dra6o0n 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You have to consider that resources are finite in the world with villagers, so Feitorias pay themselves off over time. It's usage is meant for late game investments rather than early game investments, meaning if you get rushed early you will get toppled easily.
      Considering that villagers needs to 'travel' to and from a resource point as the resource gets diminished once the game gets beyond the 30 minute mark, and players starts to harass by hunting down villagers.
      Feitoria might also be a good building to 'hide' stuff on certain maps away from sight, like say in heavy forest dense maps where you make villagers carve out a hole in the middle of a thick forest and hide a Feitoria there. But since players can buy 'map' upgrades to reveal the entire map, it becomes less valid as a strat end game I guess?

    • @shino4242
      @shino4242 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They can be damaged and cant run (but are generally going to be put ina safe area) so while siege coming in makes them sad, they cant get "raided" by scouts and archers. so they'll proooobably only be destroyed either by trebs/cannons which are hard to defend against because of their range, or by armies/normal siege weapons when your base is probably already fucked.
      The downside being they are immobile. You can relocate a base if you get raided by moving your villagers somewhere else.

  • @TamimAlNasri
    @TamimAlNasri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    Is it just me or is T90 is getting better and better with every cast. Commentating, visuals, etc..

    • @mauer1
      @mauer1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      well would be bad if he doesnt

    • @swankyj501
      @swankyj501 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Of course, he’s always improving. Better at calling strats, getting different opinions, acknowledging chat, co casting with others. All we could do with out is those lame T90 dad jokes 🤣🤣🤣

    • @williamwrobel4928
      @williamwrobel4928 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very much maturing as a caster

    • @redline589
      @redline589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@swankyj501 Nah I come for the commentary but stay for the dad jokes.

    • @DoofusMonkey
      @DoofusMonkey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's just you.

  • @rotony1
    @rotony1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That boar moon walk at 0:55 was epic

  • @gregoryeclifford
    @gregoryeclifford 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I think the true power of the Fetoria is that, once the building goes up, it's like creating an instant group of villagers that are immediately working. I can also imagine this strategy being used to sling other players.

    • @devonbueno8344
      @devonbueno8344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Speaking of Feitorias and Viper, slinging is what happened in a 4v4 Black Forest game that I think is on Viper’s channel. Viper was Turks, and his flank was Portuguese. Viper’s flank kept slinging Viper stone, which Viper used to build a whole bunch of Turkish Bombard Towers. Slinging looks like a viable strategy with the new Feitoria.

    • @MagnificientLlama
      @MagnificientLlama 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And don't forget the increased resistance against raids.

    • @shino4242
      @shino4242 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@devonbueno8344 So the feitora guy late game goes all in (or nearly all in) on feitorias and be an infinite supply of stone for towers and castles for the other players?

  • @Mr_King96
    @Mr_King96 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    a Monchael Jackson monk xD I love you T90

  • @tamaskosa3283
    @tamaskosa3283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Feitoria really has some potential in it!
    1: It's built a LOT faster than 20 vils produced - giving you an edge in early imp (What Vipah went for this game)
    2: It makes you independent of any mines, forests whatsoever. No need to control any, no need to worry they'll run out! They're just there - producing.

    • @omologo95
      @omologo95 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You still need a few vills on wood and gold for consistent military production, according to Viper atleast.

    • @tamaskosa3283
      @tamaskosa3283 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omologo95 Question is can you over-pop yourself with feitorias? I mean can you build 30 of them and make your pop go like 650/200?

    • @omologo95
      @omologo95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tamaskosa3283 no. You can go 219 pop by building one at 199 pop, but that's the max

  • @socks982
    @socks982 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    take a drink everytime he says hidden cup 3

    • @HeavyBeber
      @HeavyBeber 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rob Turenne gosh I am drunk already

    • @whydidyoutubeaddthis
      @whydidyoutubeaddthis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't wanna die

    • @tvremote9394
      @tvremote9394 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, I got alcohol poisoning now

    • @sliceofbread2611
      @sliceofbread2611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      i would, but i can't find my cup...
      sorry

    • @SeanMcD2002
      @SeanMcD2002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sliceofbread2611 Damn it, that was good

  • @fredh9808
    @fredh9808 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:43 "Monkel Jackson Monk" was the best jajajaja

  • @eulefranz944
    @eulefranz944 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fast imp strats are always vulnurable if you can defend for long enough. At some point, if one can defend the agression, the economy of the opponent is just to much. However, for portuguese, you can build 3 feitorias instantly if you have the ressources in imp and gain a short term (but inefficient) boost "in villagers". The ressources from it are not worth 20 vills (lets say it is worth 10 pop space), but these villagers take time to be produced at the towncenter(s) (which also hinders yourself from going up as you invest research time and res). The feitoria gives you another short time spike, not in power, but in economy for imperial. Your imp military should do a lot of damage, but you can extend the timewindow a little bit with the help of feitorias. Instantly getting ~30 vills will make your eco even stronger than the booming foe in castle age.
    Also it is really good that food production is abundant from the feitoria, your remaining vils can focus on construction and gathering wood. Wood which is necessary for the production of bombard cannons.
    Fast imp Portuguese might be better than fast imp turks, or at least has less risk involved.

  • @devonbueno8344
    @devonbueno8344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    +1 to the possibility of “Fast Imperial into Feitorias and Arbalester” being a new newbie-friendly build on closed maps.

  • @owlthemolfar4690
    @owlthemolfar4690 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I also like how the Viper keeps his Scout at the southern edge of the Sobec's base waiting if the latter will overchop wood there ))))

  • @WaterZer0
    @WaterZer0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Viper didn't get horse collar, did he? This is Dave's new favorite strat.

  • @pavarottiaardvark3431
    @pavarottiaardvark3431 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Feitoria doesn't have to be great to be interesting. It just has to produce enough to be able to tip the balance in low-res late-game.

    • @spaak3465
      @spaak3465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly, on team islands with all gold run out this thing is a beast!

    • @demiserofd
      @demiserofd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@spaak3465 It could always do that. Now it makes enough to be practical in other situations too.

    • @ananass8030
      @ananass8030 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@demiserofd i dunno man, when res is low it means that you are at realy late game and you need all that pop space that you can get, which means you wont keep vill count as high as you would if you didn't have Feitoria (obviously), so you delete some vills rely more heavly on the Feitorias and create a huge weakness point for the enemy to exploit.
      Kill one building that is worth who knows how many vills.
      Don't get me wrong, Feitoria rush is fun to watch, it's just not very pragmatic

    • @nemes1s_aoe
      @nemes1s_aoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@ananass8030 don't you remember Hera vs viper in nac3 finals? Villagers aren't of much use when there's 0 wood remaining on the whole map. As a matter of fact, viper won it with 0 vills no tc alive as Malay with endless fish traps protected by castle + market vs Japanese Hera. I think Portugese super late resources exhausted late game is stronger.

    • @ananass8030
      @ananass8030 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nemes1s_aoe haven't seen that actually...
      Thats a fair point but I'm still not convinced. Fish are coming in much faster than food from Feitoria, and the gold that comes in (and stone that you can sell) that could have made the difference doesn't come fast enough for the amount of units you want to produce in post imp.
      Personally I'd put my trust in 20 trade carts rather than 2 Feitorias in 2v2, if its 1v1 and there is absolutely no wood? Well that is the only scenario that Feitoria might work imo. If you can think of any other scenario I'd be happy to hear it

  • @Michal235
    @Michal235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome match, I've been watching Viper trying out this strategy in a few games and I can see that he's sorted it out.

  • @hideshisface1886
    @hideshisface1886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I fell like Feitoria is a strat that puts your enemy on a timer. With this building, you have effectively infinite resources. So, you will win a battle of attrition, as long as you take favourable engagements and let enemy die at your defenses.
    You are also very difficult to raid - Feitoria effectively replaces a bulk of villagers and is tougher than a castle.
    That said - it leaves a lot of the map control to the enemy - rush means you start behind in military, and if the enemy realises what you are doing - you basically force their hand to go hyper-aggressive, because attrition is no longer an option - fight must be ended quickly or in the end Feitoria will give its user advantage in a prolonged game.

  • @alanbareiro6806
    @alanbareiro6806 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Hoang: I'm the only player that doesn't play by the meta... and still win!!! Fear me!
    TheViper: Hold my silver medal!

    • @ArawnOfAnnwn
      @ArawnOfAnnwn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Noburu exists. Also Rubenstock.

    • @BaNaNaCeZeT
      @BaNaNaCeZeT 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah Viper was like this for a few years now too. And it's not only those two. Lot of finnish players are very versatile with their playstyle.

  • @daviosantos
    @daviosantos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    T90, please try this when saying Feitoria: FEI (like in FAIth) - TO (like in TOtaly) - RIA (soft R, and "I" has an EE sound in portuguese and is the strong syllable in this word, like "rEEa"). Fai-to-rEEa.

  • @TheCodingBug
    @TheCodingBug 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    We all know who is gonna win Hidden Cup 3..... and its gonna be a mastapiece ;)

  • @arcticbeak
    @arcticbeak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how the Feitoria is a viable building now. Before the buff this civ bonus was the same as if the Portuguese had one bonus less.

    • @DaddyMouse
      @DaddyMouse 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      My thoughts exactly

  • @StealthNinja4577
    @StealthNinja4577 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's also nice is that you can't be raided easily. 20 pop is locked away in a building that needs to have a large enough army to level, trebs, or rams. The random scout picking off some eco is gone. They can go in a random corner and with the stone get protected by towers

  • @An63rX3r0
    @An63rX3r0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This actually looks like a fight we portuguese would take during the discovery age. Having a massive tech advantage and having lesser troops than an asian opponent. Massive props to the devs for the balance changes!

    • @dadadad2903
      @dadadad2903 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Funnily enough, your colonial empire ended with your forces being heavily outnumbered and outteched. How the tides can change.

    • @An63rX3r0
      @An63rX3r0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dadadad2903 Well, we were always outnumbered. 3 carracks vs a thousand canoaes, stuff like that. You also put in mind that we had a global war, lost our independependence, then got it back, and our major colony which became the backbone of our economy got independant. Plus our ships were the best only during the discovery age. After that every european nation got better ships than us (faster and more manouverable). So I kinda agree with the new balance.

  • @lalolanda8458
    @lalolanda8458 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your TH-cam only commentary is definitely much more thoughtful and relaxed than the livestreamed one. That's why I missed it. Glad to have it back, t90.

  • @YuriBaha
    @YuriBaha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I really hope this brings Feitorias to the spotlight, even if a safe map is needed for that kind of fast imp lol
    Btw T90 if you're interested in the correct spelling, its "feitoRIa": "RI" is the strong syllable in this one!!

    • @gsresener
      @gsresener 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fate-oh-reah

    • @nemes1s_aoe
      @nemes1s_aoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You mean, pronunciation? I think viper pronounces correctly then, is it so?

    • @giulianomsa
      @giulianomsa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nemes1s_aoe it's pretty accurate sylable-wise, but Yuri is correct where the strong, longer syllable is in the "RI" (T90 says it like it's feiTOria)

    • @mr2octavio
      @mr2octavio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nemes1s_aoe Viper pronounces it wrong too

    • @YuriBaha
      @YuriBaha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nemes1s_aoe yes sorry, I mean pronunciation!! It is just as Giuliano said below: instead of feiTOria it is feitoRIa!!

  • @bdoeden64
    @bdoeden64 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Viper 7:00, Low ELO Legend! Straggler Treeeeeee Strats! Love your TH-cam content, even if it is transferred from Twitch. Keep it coming, looking forward to HC3!

  • @artlix4790
    @artlix4790 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:55 Board Moon walk Hype

  • @jordanbaily6774
    @jordanbaily6774 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    T90, the other day i finally updated to D.e (ive been playing since i got the disk out of a kellogs box). i loaded in and the first thing i did was not play a game of my own, i noticed YOU were in a 1v1! and i got to spectate it. felt amazing! because im in australia; im never up when youre streaming and frequently have to wait for yt to keep up with t90hype. lastnight (for me) i sat and waited 3 hours for your stream to start,i wanted to sub, see my name pop up and the thanks.... buuuuut i fell asleep and woke up 2 hours in tyour laugh, made me cack up ahaha.
    turns out though that someone saw my initial "ill be waiting" and gifted me a sub!
    a huge thankyou to mir85farmer for the sub!! and an ever bigger thankyou to you T90 for being a content creator for a game i never thought would still be this popular today, i friggen love the work! all eyed on HC3!!

  • @paul_5848
    @paul_5848 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They should make the Feitoria available in Castle Age but with much-reduced res amount (maybe halved) from where upgrades up to current level in Imp automatically, like scouts between Dark and Feudal and if you need further balancing then make them long to build in castle similar to TCs with Cumans in Feudal

  • @BallisticAero
    @BallisticAero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This man really just dropped "Monkle Jackson" at the drop of a hat lmao. I saw it just before T90 called it out and I'm so glad that was seen haha

  • @stephenh9483
    @stephenh9483 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:40 LOLOLOLOLOL MJ would be proud

  • @karlvyh
    @karlvyh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    using the villager resource collection rates from the old feitoria video:
    23.75 food/min/vill
    34.5 wood/min/vill
    25.25 gold/min/vill
    27.5 stone/min/vill
    new feitoria gives 96 food/min, 60 wood/min, 42 gold/min, 18 stone/min
    or ~3.6 food vills, ~1.7 wood vills, ~1.7 gold vills, ~.6 stone vills
    so 250 gold and 250 stone for ~7.6 villagers

    • @karlvyh
      @karlvyh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At 13:15 with two feitoria, Viper had effective 48 vills vs Sobek's 55
      at 17:45 with four feitoria, viper had effective 71 vills vs sobek's 68
      pretty good considering feitoria "vills" are always efficient, no lumber camp/farm refresh needed

  • @thomasniehof6333
    @thomasniehof6333 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did anyone else see that Boar do a Moonwalk at 0:53? :P

  • @mjolner6792
    @mjolner6792 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ive caught a few of these games , just in spectator. looks like Portuguese may be becoming a pretty boss civ

  • @yoshimeier3060
    @yoshimeier3060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mean the Feitoria has the advantage, that its harder to raid (in fact might be impossible) and he doesnt have to worry about his economy, reallocate vills and so on. So he has alot more time to micro the frontline, which could be huge for a player like viper.

    • @busshock
      @busshock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      On arena certainly, but thinking about more open maps, if your fettorias do get sniped you're super screwed. It's literally putting all your eggs in one basket.

  • @LilAlfiq
    @LilAlfiq 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    13:16 I remember as a kid I'd improvise songs out of clicking buildings in AoE XD

  • @licmir3663
    @licmir3663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It’s pronounced “fay-tow-REE-ah”!!

    • @draanexle
      @draanexle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Klonter77 von Planet77 leviosaaaahh

    • @lordhelmet614
      @lordhelmet614 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "fay-tow-*REEEEEEEEEEE*-ah"

  • @steins2036
    @steins2036 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess a good counter for this strat would be an early castle aggression. As soon as you figure out the opponant is trying this, (like slow feudal time indicating going fast imp) you would want to invest for a very aggressive early castle pressure so your enemy can't go to imp easily.

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any aggression might work. Sobek was extremely passive whole game.

  • @-Raylight
    @-Raylight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    13:16 Spiritofthelaw might make one for you... He seems to be a musical genius, especially with his intro song xD
    Also 15:41 is the best monk

  • @AgeofNoob
    @AgeofNoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw him try this with Hand Cannons - looks like Arbs are the way to go! :D

  • @lMarcusl
    @lMarcusl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't wait for the SotL video that analyses how worth it Feitorias are now compared to the 20 vils you'd have in their place. My guess is they are now close enough to being equivalent that the freedom of not having to reseed your farms, rebuild lumber camps or seek out additional gold piles makes them the better strategy now. Just looking at Viper's resources, that some pretty crazy tick rate.

  • @SpicyPotatoe
    @SpicyPotatoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think a big reason Viper won this was because of the mind games that he played on Sobek. Sobek saw stuff with his scout and tried to pivot to counter it, but it was all a farce. If he hadn't seen the siege workshop and range before Viper got to Imp, he would have kept booming and would have been in a better place with 3-4 TCs maybe. Gg, that was fun to watch.

  • @henrybartholomew5383
    @henrybartholomew5383 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Fetoria rush on Islands can work really well. It's obviously countered by dark age landings though

  • @hatimzeineddine8723
    @hatimzeineddine8723 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the big bonus of feitorias that's a little overlooked is that you can't raid them. If you're playing against a mobile civ with great light cav, just stonewall the feitorias in a box and deathball since they can't wreck your economy with raids.

  • @captquiggs1257
    @captquiggs1257 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Because monk's BAD,
    They're BAD, you know it!"
    -Monkle Jackson-

  • @nicolasflamel7896
    @nicolasflamel7896 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I miss the Fate-o-ria Pun, Tristan that you said in the previous Feitoria Rush by the Snake. Where is it?
    We need high quality TH-cam commentary! Jk. Keep up the good work!!

  • @Henresma
    @Henresma 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This works because Viper can push his production a lot faster. In the end Viper has invested more than 160 pop into his eco while sobek has 70 eventhough he was permanently producing vills on 2 TCs. If he was on 3 TCs he might have had 90, but still his income would be slower. Building 6 Feitorias just happens to work faster than creating 100 vills. However since Feitorias still have a slower producing rate than vills, Viper would likely get in trouble as soon as his opponent can get to 200 pop with a decent vill count. This strat is about finishig the opponent while he is not at full eco.

  • @Goldenblade14
    @Goldenblade14 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    T90 and Viper upload the same game at the same time. Nice.

  • @owlthemolfar4690
    @owlthemolfar4690 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here is numbers: 100% more food, 25% more wood, approximately 80% more gold and 20% more stone. So we can see more increase in food and gold, and since the Portugese have discount on gold coast for the units it may be not so bad as reserve plan for the maps with limited resources. IMHO.
    P.S. Also, yes T90, Feitoria generetes 40% more gold then the relic.

  • @BobDoe_69
    @BobDoe_69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I havent got a chance to play DE much mainly because my laptop isnt powerful enough. looking at videos of the game and I am like DAMN, they did it...a comet hitting the earth was more likely than a new Age of empires. Here it is and its so fecking beautiful.

  • @JackOpulski
    @JackOpulski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Viper is a gentleman and a scholar

  • @nicolasleal4701
    @nicolasleal4701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm chilean myself and I haven't hear of Sobek until now. Someone know where can I support him? Like, social media, twitch or similar.

    • @RustyRat
      @RustyRat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yo sabia que habian hartos jugadores de Age Chilenos pero no sabia que Sobek era uno, mish.

    • @skarthik345
      @skarthik345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bodoque2669 yeah heartt. He streams sometimes here and there..

    • @alexgalleguillos4467
      @alexgalleguillos4467 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sobek ha sido el mejor jugador chileno los últimos años. Lo poco q se de él, es que tenía algunos videos en TH-cam, enseñando y analizando partidas. Estuvo también en la world cup.

    • @CatoParlo
      @CatoParlo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      www.twitch.tv/sobekaoc/

  • @Robert-vk7je
    @Robert-vk7je 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    21:12 Look at Vipers kills.

  • @twohandedswordsman852
    @twohandedswordsman852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man.. Viper's getting addicted to Feitorias.

  • @Tyshkevich
    @Tyshkevich 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Feitoria gets more and more better as the game advances.
    Mid to late game it lets you out resource the other guy. You can literally play them the same exact way as you normally do but once the resources thin out on the map they start to REALLY shine. Especially that you can sell off extra resources you're not using.
    Also did you see the food income he had with 5? insane. That's 8 food/sec. Basically lets you create trash units almost non-stop out of like half a dozen barracks LOL. Do that for like 10 minutes and then you'll have an entire stockpile of extra gold to mix in better units, too!

  • @HeavyCavalryArcher
    @HeavyCavalryArcher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20:27 uffff, shots fired.

  • @MonkeyDeRuffy777
    @MonkeyDeRuffy777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it only works on maps like Arena, because you cannot go straigt imperial age on open maps. People would crack your butt open with castle age units, because you need at least 3 Feitorias to have a decent economy. At the same time, you cannot go for straight feitorias and build Military, beause you will lack resources, due to the missing 2nd and 3rd TC in castle age.
    If this gonna be the new meta, it won't work to well. People will rush castle age and rams, since you have no military. I think it's great for suprise games, but not as true game plan

  • @Cynndora
    @Cynndora 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe the strat can work at higher levels because the Feitoria basically removes any macro/micro needed for your economy, and they're difficult to raid, especially on Arena when you start with stone walls. which leaves Viper free to Micro his army 99% of the time without having to worry about whats going on in his base.

  • @reetachaturvedi3428
    @reetachaturvedi3428 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 10:18 is viper researching loom in castle age

  • @Overdoseplus
    @Overdoseplus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite overlay so far.

  • @devinshilightsdale9738
    @devinshilightsdale9738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel a nerf coming. It's comparable to its pop space in villagers, takes no micro, and takes much less time to construct than to produce and task the villagers needed for that much income. As a defensive player, it's proving easy to abuse as long as I can get to imp and keep them alive. I personally think the hp should be halved

    • @redholm
      @redholm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's literally free resources 24/7 without any need to look after Villages, refresh any farms or Lumbermills. And in Late game only they would be getting resources constantly.

    • @ComeRestusFX
      @ComeRestusFX 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      One Feitoria is worth between ~10-13 villagers depending on resource drop off walking times and eco upgrades. They're easier to "raid" with siege, harder to raid with cav/archers. Don't forget that you're investing 250 gold and 250 stone into one of them, which are very limited, opposed to 500-650 food on the equivalent in villagers.
      They're amazing very late game when resources are exhausted, but I'm not certain they're overpowered or need balance regarding this fast imp strat.

  • @timothymartensen9040
    @timothymartensen9040 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Time for a new Spirit of the Law Feitoria video.

  • @toddleemaster2847
    @toddleemaster2847 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Monkle Jackson... Ok, T90, just beat it!

  • @Isolanporzellator
    @Isolanporzellator 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just started playing a few days ago and this is pretty much the only strategy I can execute consistently, so yes I know exactly what you mean (19:07).

  • @vitaobatera
    @vitaobatera 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me it's not the fact that I prefer relaxed matches... it's that shorter, more aggressive ones don't allow for the more interesting units that only start to show up from castle age onwards... so they tend to be like a "quickie" and not a "proper" session, if you know what I mean...

  • @bbkrn1
    @bbkrn1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos are so much more relaxed than watching the players themselves play.

  • @nemes1s_aoe
    @nemes1s_aoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember seeing your emotional tweet after hc2 and my

  • @ForeverDayGreen
    @ForeverDayGreen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could Portuguese become a islands top pick? With island games going super late and often ppl running out of resources completely, theoretically you could stall with your navy and late game have gold units still

  • @locutusdiborg88
    @locutusdiborg88 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @t90official : it's 25% more wood from 0.8 to 1

  • @busshock
    @busshock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I mean, depending on the efficiency of Fettorias (calling SotL) this strat is the equivalent of instantly creating 50-60 vils as soon as you hit imp. On one TC too. That eliminates one of the main drawbacks of fast imp.

    • @ad3z10
      @ad3z10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's still objectively worse than vills but the time investment to put up 5 Fettorias is nothing compared to what you need to get another 100 vills. Even on a 5 TC boom that'd take 10 minuites or so.

    • @arthurkraft5610
      @arthurkraft5610 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ad3z10 The production is worse, but (1) it takes time and TC's to produce villagers, (2) there needs to be resources to collect for those vils to collect, and (3) those vils need occasional attention (reseed farms, refresh lumber and mining camps, etc.). The great thing about Feitoria's is they are almost instantaneous and require zero attention once placed.

    • @ad3z10
      @ad3z10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arthurkraft5610 Yeah, I meant that the production is objectively worse but there's no way to have a comparable vill count in early imp anyway.
      There's also a 4th benefit which is raid resistance, 10 Plumed Archers can wreck your eco, or create a bunch of idle time at best, but they're going to take forever to kill a Feitoria.

  • @veasnatdm4861
    @veasnatdm4861 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was wondering about what would happen if the same civ were to be play in a super late island game.
    remember the viper malay infinte fish trap

  • @daltonphillips1547
    @daltonphillips1547 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dear T90, I will try my best to watch hidden cup. Also I love your TH-cam only content, you do such a good job.

  • @Dreska_
    @Dreska_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why would Sobek be confused? Hes a high-level player, he knows Feitoria was buffed, he probably knows Viper trys weird strats

  • @stephenh9483
    @stephenh9483 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously, Viper's food count was ROCKETING up at the end. Insane

  • @urded1145
    @urded1145 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, where's the spirit of the law intro?

  • @ecozones2d627
    @ecozones2d627 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    why red does not defend his castle at 17:00...

  • @ChillnkillGaming
    @ChillnkillGaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hidden cup 3? Can't wait!

  • @bassegoder
    @bassegoder 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should the elephants had exit bythe southern gate and attack the back of viper's army while pushing with skirms, like a bulge?
    Made same question in viper's vid.

  • @dragonexer1
    @dragonexer1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am definitely in the camp that enjoys the slower maps more. Outside of low elo legends doing crazy stuff at least

  • @JohnDoe-fo7hh
    @JohnDoe-fo7hh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:40 "Its a munk-l Jackson monk!" T90 you kill me lol

  • @Rellana1
    @Rellana1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Capture Age + for Hidden Cup 3 confirmed.

  • @Spiz103
    @Spiz103 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've tried this, badly, on the unranked space. It's potentially really fun to play and its really nice for me - terrible APM but a reasonable amount of 'game awareness'. (I know what I should be making much of the time but I can't micro lol)

  • @sirnamenloss4791
    @sirnamenloss4791 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    feitoritas would be great if you could choos what you get. like you get 6 recourses per second. but you can choos if you want 0 stone 4 gold an 2 food or 2 gold 1 food 3 stones etc etc

  • @barryswigart1432
    @barryswigart1432 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Portuguese on Black Forest confirmed.

  • @recas2780
    @recas2780 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:41 Yeah classic T90
    0.2 is 25% of 0.8 not 20%

  • @joelferguson9324
    @joelferguson9324 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We will see hcup 3 on youtubes right?

  • @piccoloo5083
    @piccoloo5083 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ground of the map make my head hurt😣

  • @hsandv70
    @hsandv70 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Monkel Jackson was the POG !!

  • @sebastianfletcher-taylor1024
    @sebastianfletcher-taylor1024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Math is hard indeed. That's actually 25% more wood (0.8 plus one quarter of 0.8 is 1.0).

  • @Luisin88
    @Luisin88 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "math is hard"
    like your sense of humor man.

  • @CristianJailanderOrozco
    @CristianJailanderOrozco 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:40 for MonChael Jackson

  • @helderboymh
    @helderboymh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow the game looks so different, when did this change happen?

  • @los_no_fake5249
    @los_no_fake5249 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Un Chileno??? No sabia que tuviéramos buenos jugadores, Saludos desde Chile, crack!!
    In english: a Chilean??? I dont now that my country have good aoe players, is good to now it
    Gretings from Chile, Crack!!