No, not even one of them. Show me a nonsystemD distro that actually works out of the box. Not even one of them. They're all still dealing with the same issues we had in the 90's. WiFi, not working, hardware not being ident properly.
GNOME is my favorite DE. I never knew you could open programs by pressing super+(number) to open programs from the dock, thanks for the tip. I always open programs with super + typing the program name, but I will give your trick a try :-)
You can set the shortcuts for all your programs and flatpaks a well, My problem with it is during an upgrade, It is very hard to carry those over after an install.
I watched EBUZZ CENTRAL revew the new gnome 43 and for some reason--- LOVED IT.. and in fact i have it on VM now-- will install it straight to vanilla debian once it's OUT of beta and they have a few more of the bugs smoothed out (not that I even found any)...miracles never cease. :) ANd again- I remind anyone reading my comments- I have NEVER said gnome was bad or anything wrong wtih it- I just said I PERSONALLY- MYSELF- never liked it- because of my eyes, and reading text-and just didn't care for the design of it the way it was--- but this new one-- is GORGEOUS.. AND efficient. Wonder if I can put POP TILING EXTENSION on it???
Other Desktop environments have the exact same Super key functionality, and they also don't have terrible mouse interface that goes from one side of the screen to the next. So the criticism still stands. Grandma doesn't want to use the super key anyway, she wants to use the mouse. This is why the terminal never caught on with casual users.
I find gnome to be best on laptops for a more casual use, the gestures feel polished and smooth, while the thicker title bars and icons make it easier to hit with a touchpad
I really like Gnome workflow, my only complain is that it has a lot of wasted space with the mostly empty global menu bar and the title bars when using a small screen, it is double the size of kde. I wish they made a native compact mode because I don't really like to fiddle with extensions that breaks every other week.
It doesn't have global menu. They have a super primitive application menu, with the real menu being hidden behind a hamburger button inside the app. I wish they did have a global menu.
I think gnome should come with a "manual" in EVERY distro that uses it-- to show ALL the efficient ways to put it to use BY DESIGN.. how it was INTENDED...
@@davidwayne9982 Ever heard of intuitive design? This is not it. THIS is bullshit. If GNOME cared about UX testing they would realize that people have issues with their GUI. But al lthe testing they did was biased feedback from a few of their own developers. As a result the GUI is only usable by those few people with special needs.
@dragonballjiujitsu not forgetting it exists, just not using it on its own without the keyboard Sometimes it's easier to hit a keyboard shortcut than to use the mouse for the same action
Long time elementary user now moved to fedora 36: I do really like the vanilla GNOME experience but I also think the extension "Hot Edge" should be a default option. It shows up the overview screen whenever you hit the bottom edge of the display (also allows you to set a threshold in order to avoid accidental behaviour). Basically same function as the hot corner, just much usable since the mouse cursor ends up immediately where you want it to launch a new application
Hot edge is a nice QoL extension for sure. Bummer what's been happening behind the scenes with Elementary. Used to be one of my favorite distros, but I'm not super confident in it's future.
@@ambros470 yeah well, the latest drama (and getting a new laptop) was the tipping point for me. The launch of eOS6 last year also rubbed me the wrong way with the way they castrated their app center and how they'll prompt you menacing messages with every 3rd party app you'll install.
@OP: more workflows i used to use which I find incredibly fast by mixing mouse and keyboard: -you can use double super key to bring up the app drawer and at the same time use mouse to click the desired app - you can super to bring up the workspace and at the same time scroll the mouse wheel to move the next/previous workspace. Very natural Also I figure out the Gnome super key is much like iPhone/iPad’s home button. Maybe just have a home sticker on the super key lol
Gnome is so much better for me than say, windows or mac os type desktops because it merges good design with linux customizability, and provides both a keyboard based user experience and a mouse based one, while letting you add your own shortcuts on top of that. I love it.
I am coming from many years in KDE but got tired of some bugs. Gnome is minimalistic and you can change it as you want. BTW, if you want to be productive, you use the keyboard and shortcuts, it's much faster than using the mouse. So the first thing to do on something new is to learn the shortcuts. Good video, I totally agree. I will also add that the average user is lazy to learn something new. They expect everything is the same.
I disagree because you must remember all the key bindings. And with Dash to panel extension you can pin everything you use on it. Than it's only one click. But we all have our preferred workflow😉
There are essentially only three kinds of computer workflow paradigms. There's tiling window managers, there's gnome, and there's everything else that is basically a fork of Windows 95. Gnome offers a new way to use your computer that I appreciate. It is the definitive Linux experience.
Installed Gnome yesterday, love the workflow, its really different. The only thing thats really annoying, that my window positions don't get back to the place when I reopen then -_- it opens back at the top right, which is annoying on a super ultrawide. Windows and Mac do this right, so why gnome doesn't?
GNOME puts windows in free space rather than where they last were. You can see this if you open multiple apps. GNOME will automatically put them shoulder to shoulder and make sure they don't overlap if possible.
@@SqreurDJ Hmm, if your workflow involves having exact positions for apps, then look into "Material Shell", it's a full overhaul extension which remembers application positions and workspace locations, if I remember correctly.
I was inspired to bite the bullet and try out fedora 36 workstation for about a month. I used default gnome and barely any tweaks. I think I have a far better idea of GNOME de now. My previous comment about app menu blocking my my current tasks still holds true, but GNOME has it's own strengths and weakness. I like to split my usecases into 2 types, laptop mode and desktop mode. GNOME is excellent on laptop mode, the trackpad gestures are fully featured such that you can navigate everywhere you want easily, you don't even need to use the keyboard for the super key or any other shortcuts. It's that great. Desktop mode however, is decent. As long as you use it in a keyboard centric way. If your left hand is preoccupied in some way and not hovering over the super key, the experience gets worse. It's actually pretty bad navigating with mouse alone, you have to move your mouse a huge distance just to open the app menu. I added a hotcorner in the bottom left to open the app menu directly. But that doesn't change the fact that it's not the default settings. New GNOME users like me do not even know of the existence of GNOME tweaks and how some settings are hidden there, this will not be ideal for windows migrators or people who don't Google for tiny features. It could be improved by makings them more available, but I doubt GNOME devs will care.
What makes you say GNOME devs wouldn't care? You have ideas, so you should definitely participate in the project through its communication channels rather than writing TH-cam comments.
That might be so, but with Dash to panel extension you can pin everything you use on it, so it's only one click, instead of two😉 That was my preferred workflow when I used Gnome desktop.
I used to hate GNOME just because of how much RAM it uses. But it felt more responsive and smooth compared to WM (i3, Sway). It natively supports Wayland too, is not as buggy as KDE. My only concern is that some extensions are a must-have like Dash-to-Dock. They should add an option to customize your dock a little more.
Gnome doesn't use much more memory, it just utilizes more memory if it's available. That's a more modern development technique to cache stuff. All the modern apps do it. But the core of gnome, if you strip that caching thing, it uses about 300 MB, which is not a lot. But because it decides to utilize available ram, people think that it's a hog.
@@EugeniaLoli Ya, I used to think GNOME was a heavy resource eater. In reality it was more fluid than I ever expected to be thanks to system cache. Had my Sway built with Void using around 250mb of RAM at best, still had those lag spikes whenever I moved into the system.
My question is - how to learn Gnome's workflow? I got here while looking for some extensive introduction exactly because I heard it's a different experience, but haven't found one yet
I use pretty much vanilla gnome (no dock or panel, no app menu up top), but I do use an extension that enables bringing up the overview (and the dash) by moving my mouse to the bottom of the screen. It works at the top too, but having at the bottom as well. I have an extension for the clipboard as well.
I am not sure if you addressed the issue the reddit post was mentioning. I am pretty sure the person who wrote the post knew that Gnome wants them forcefully to use the keyboard. That's why the post starts with "I am a heavy mouse user...". And if that is your workflow, then Gnome is definitely cumbersome and very much in your way. And then you can of course ask the question: should the desktop environment force the user to apply a specific workflow, or should the DE adjust to the users workflow, to not be in their way. And that is the question. If the work you have to do on the computer forces you to have your right hand mostly on the mouse, then being forced to replace your hand to the keyboard to do anything meaningful in the DE is cumbersome and there is nothing you can do about it, other than either Gnome+extensions or a different DE. Gnome overcomes this problem in the laptop realm, where they have so much functionality in mousepad gestures. But nevertheless, your work decides about what workflow(s) will be more or less suitable to you. If the workflow that vanilla Gnome wants you to force to use is not part of that spectrum, then that is how it is. And then again, there is the point, that people are creatures of habit and they are just used to a certain workflow coming from Mac or Win and theoretically they could just change their workflow to Gnome and still do their tasks. Still, changing your workflow, that is part of your muscle memory, is cumbersome. And even if that is just a problem for some time, it still raises the question: Should in general force the DE a specific workflow on the user or should it be the other way around.... you know, so the DE is not in the way? I do use vanilla Gnome everyday, but only on a laptop that I don't use for my job. For the work I have to do in my job, actually the material-shell layout would give me the most efficient way to do my tasks.
Just put a panel on the bottom with your most used apps, i press the super key and type in the first 3 letters of the app i want to launch it auto completes and i press enter.
Great video man, I've been using gnome for a few months and this was very helpful. I'm on Manjaro, but my super + number keys are mapped to workspaces rather than launching from the dock, so I'm going to look into how I can change that.
I think the GNOME menu is an extremely intrusive design for an app menu though, it opens full screen and takes away the entire desktop view for the duration that you have it open. The traditional "start button" design is what I would consider as "getting out of the user's way". I can open new apps while only minimally interrupting my current window at the bottom left corner. It is core to my usage, watching videos, reading documents, browsing, then deciding to open the text editor or calculator app. I don't want to have my entire screen taken away by the app menu. I also mainly keep my laptop docked to multiple monitors, workspace switching isn't quite as important. Even when I take my laptop around, workspace switching is still easy enough to set up a quick way to access it. A keyboard shortcut, scrolling the taskbar workspace icon, even hot corners might work. I think we can agree to disagree. I'm not saying GNOME is unusable, people can adapt to anything if they spend enough time on it. I just don't believe it works better than a traditional desktop. It would be amazing on touch screen tablet PC though, if those exist running linux. A traditional desktop would suck with a touch screen.
Goddamnit. I do all the wrong things you showed in your video. From tomorrow I'm gonna use the super key. However I wish you demonstrated how to use virtual desktops better. You moved too fast
Agreed with everything you said. I have a French keyboard with English language (long story) but it means Super+numeric does nothing. the numbers across the top only give numbers when used with shift key. So that doesn't work either. Any way to get Gnome to open programs with the shortcuts?
I've had serious GEEKS on here chew my butt bigtime and telling me not to bash gnome or put it down etc..-- and I remind them to go back and read my comment- and I ay I DO NOT LIKE GNOME-- NEVER have I ever said it was bad or stupid-- I said the keyboard crap is STUPID FOR ME--- I'm 66, bad eyes- and HATE TEXT and reading not to mention memorizing keyboard combinations for moving stuff-- it's just ridiculous___ FOR ME.. I've never bashed it for anyone else.!!!
I first thought about this and had it click while playing classic fallout. I went to go see some lets plays and realized that I had missed out on some stuff because I didn't know I could interact with it. I would have known on a more modern game, but something about the audio/visual language of the 90s didn't click on me. I didn't have the right cultural context.
I would say it's better because of these features. I've been using Windows like this for years, when I switched to Gnome I immediately appreciated that it's designed to be used in this way. I've never understood the point of persisting with this old school hierarchical start menu thing, why do Linux desktop environments continue to replicate this? I'll only consider using KDE, XFCE etc if there's a way to configure it to work like Gnome. But why would I when Gnome works perfectly the way I like without configuring? My main criticism of Gnome is it isn't as configurable as KDE.
I installed Debian Debian with gnome on my laptop, but I couldn't figure out how everything worked, so I un-installed it. Desktop environments should be intuitive to use. There should not be a learning curve.
The fact that commands are more efficient with keyboard shortcuts does not explain why the Activities button is at the top and the dash at the bottom, nor why you have to click on the former to make the latter visible. This Activity button serves no purpose, except to waste time.
Or why hide the dash to begin with, if you have to activate the activities overview in order to see your most used apps then why not just let people place their most used apps on the panel to begin with? why have a long panel at the top of the screen with next to nothing on it? that's just wasted space, if there's a panel there then I might as well make good use of it and place some app launchers on it.
The ultimate ambition of the Gnome 4x designers seems to be to offer an empty home screen, that being said they allow you to add modules (dash to dock for example) and still do an incredible job.
@@TonyVisconti The problem I have with extensions is some of them can make the whole desktop unstable, and they can break when a new version of gnome gets released too.
I would say we can divide in three ways to interact with GNOME (or any DE) Keyboard centric interaction: Make sense that the one I would use, I tap Super to get the Activity Overview and double Super to get to Applications. Touchpad centric interaction: Make sense if your touchpad does not suck like mine, with three fingers go to Activity and then to Applications. You can go from one activity to the other with two fingers Mouse centric: Does not make sense. You have to go to the left corner to then go to the Show Apps right corner! The problem is most new users especially newbies will first have a mouse centric experience. It is just how most DE on Windows or Mac handle this. Usually you first go with the mouse, and then maybe how to use properly the touchpad and the keyboard. There are environments like i3 or other that are basically only keyboard centric but it is expected at advanced users that are willing to learn first and not the majority of people. I guess you could just put an application button next to activity? That would make it go back when there was a menu but instead just make the menu the all screen? Or put the dash on the left with the Show apps at first. But for now from a mouse centric pov it just does not make sense.
Personally I added extension like Space bar so I see with numbers where activities are and in what activity I am so I can enter then with Super+Number.
For me the simple solution would really to have an application button like Pop! OS. It just makes more sense. Why put it on the Dash when the dash is hidden behind a button?
I'm no lover of Gnome for sure, but I did find this helpful to put some things into proper context. It at least brings rationale to the workflow. My gripes about it are more fundamental (near lack of customization ability without extensions, that are prone to break upon upgrade). But, this is good clarification, thank you.
The lack of shortcuts, and fluid movement from one app to the other is absolutely atrocious. Even Slackware 2 had that with X and X11. Since you mentioned Mac OS, even Mac has keyboard shortcuts to switch between apps and windows and windowing environment. That's not even considering that Gnome doesn't have a native IDE or default environment for development. Which is the primary reason people use Linux, because of the Developing and Admin tools built into it. KDE does, which makes it immediately superior.
Across all distros, what’s the percentage of default distros of Gnome3 v KDE? I really find it unusable for my purposes. I am trying to understand Gnome43 usage/uptake across the Linux community.
GNOME 3? Not sure, probably only distros based on Debian LTS. Gnome 4x ships by default on a ton of distros. I think between KDE, GNOME, XFCE, and Cinnamon, GNOME and KDE are probably the most popular. It's hard to say which is more popular between the two, but I'm guessing it's GNOME if for no other reason than the legacy popularity of Ubuntu. For more advanced users, usage seems split in my experience. Both are amazing DEs. I'm curious what you find unusable about GNOME.
@@ambros470 sorry, it should have read Gnome 43! Being old school KDE/Windows in my mindset, I personally find the entire concept of the current Gnome too unintuitive - it is a radical departure from the "norms" but I think it is too much of a departure. You somehow end up pressing too many clicks and buttons, upper bar and lower bar and this corner and that corner. There are good and well-founded reasons for how WindowsOS versions (apart from the radical Win8/8.1) have been structured - the so-called HCI research groups at Microsoft spend a lot of time and effort in getting things "right" by analysing user behaviour and how users interact with desktop environments (not saying they always get it right...!). I don't know the history of the development of the current Gnome but being an opensource and community driven effort, perhaps the detailed HCI aspects were not as deeply researched? Just speculating and hoping to learn and be more convinced!
Gnome is my favorite DE..i just wish that it was pretty like Mac OS. There is an extension (forgot the name) that allows you over the mouse at the bottom and it would show the overview (instead of going top left), i think Gnome should offer that as a default. Or at least offer a hot corner customization in settings. There is a function in dash to dock that allows you to just click on an app that will bring you to the running app on whatever screen that it is. Implant that as well (one click)
I've used that extension and found it to be far too sensitive. I was constantly activating it accidentally and unfortunately it didn't have any settings options. It would be fantastic if it could be configured to require a little force to activate.
Couldn’t agree more. Some people don’t want to put in the effort to learn new things. FYI I am using Fedora Gnome to learn how to use it most efficiently.
People will literally spend 7 years ricing a WM and learning 96 shortcuts instead of learning GNOME in like 20 minutes. Because they're hipsters with superiority syndrome whom don't even work.
one thing that i don't like is the whole idea of multiple workspaces or desktops. because the idea of desktop is legacy. the idea of a desktop takes up space in my mind. never use them. because i normally use apps fullscreen, unless they are file managers. better perhaps might be if the apps resized to the workspace by default. but i realize not all apps resize. for me, the app is already a workspace, so a workspace within a workspace is a level of redundancy I don't like. i'd rather shift between apps than have multiple desktops. hope that makes sense.
the more i use the new ubuntu the more i love this thing. there's a few KEY extentions, like gtile but once you have it going, boy oh boy. I need to run windows for gaming on the main machine but other than that, every other machine will be running ubuntu in this house
I've had some of these freakin geeks tell me to use KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS--- well if I wanted to use a damn keyboard for everything-- I'd use an openbox and nothing eslse.... I HATE KEYBOARD BULLS__T!!! I can't stand that- and looking at a bucnh of stupid key combo codes to memorize and then reading nothing much but text on here.. I DO NOT WANT to type- or use freakin STUPID ASSED TEXT!!! It's ridiculous
Well you can make gnome looks like as you wish. for example with 2 small extensions (dash to panel and arcmenu) and you have an whole different experience, similar to cinnamon or plasma but more solid, much better looking and easier to customize as you wish.
@@ambros470 Not when you have the application launcher right on the panel, you just move your mouse over and click on the icon to launch the application, plus launching an application by pressing super and then typing the name of the application can be done on basically all desktop environments.
I LIke gnome-- but I like KDE too-- hated it at first-- now I'm good wtih it.. If i knew how to change gnome as easily I'd love t use it too.. and I'm learning... I'm 66 and can only see reasonablly good out of one eye right now.
I totally get what they are going for, but I think as an end user, I can say, "Yes, I understand how you want me to use my computer, but I choose to find a DE that works the way I want to work". I really dislike gnome. I use cinnamon because I've always liked the "windows" user interface. Gnome for whatever reasons cares so much about "minimalism" that they seem to forget that at the end of the day, I just need my stuff to work. Like they dont have notifications/icons for active background apps. I use nextcloud and I NEED those notifications. I use other apps and NEED to have them quickly available to me. Regardless, you did a great job with the video, I see your take, and you earned a subscriber, even if we disagree :D
There's a reason why dash to dock is one of the most popular extension for gnome. I doesn't mean the gnome workflow is wrong, but that fact means something useful for the project. Form what I can see GNOME DEVS should put optional dock from dash in to the settings.
They need to find someone who would maintain that code. The code that goes into GNOME is expected to be maintained, by someone. More important if that actually goes against their desktop paradigm.
I' m not interested in substantially different workflows that I didnt customize myself. Substantially different workflows break existing, tried and efficient workflows 10/10 times, becoming a time and productivity sink for their user base, in exchange for a vague promise of future gains which hardly ever materialize. If you want to improve my UX then let me customize your DE as I please. I probably know a lot better what I need to best do my work than some random team of designers I have never met pitching ideas for some imaginary average user. Until then, stay out of my workflows.
Its so funny that Linux users will bad mouth Apple for saying you are using it wrong then install Gnome LMAO. Never seen apple updates break extensions that I had to install to get back basic functionality in the OS. I noticed he has "tweaks" installed. Again, a third party app just have have the ability to change fonts and center new windows...lol The mental gymnastics required to justify this shit is hilarious! The only way Gnome is even usable to most people is installing tweaks and 8-10 extensions. If your DE lacks basic functionality and If you have to explain how to use the interface, then something is wrong.
@@ambros470 gnome with wayland performs better than kde with wayland, but since I have dual nvidia gpu, xorg is the only option at the moment. And it works worse than kde with xorg xd
@@_hatred For sure. I have a 3050 in my current set up and that's the reason I'm driving KDE as well. I'm excited for Fedora 36 and wayland/nvidia support. We'll see how well it functions.
Guy: Gnome sucks for mouse users. You: You're using Gnome wrong. You should be using a keyboard. Guy: But I like using a mouse and don't want to switch to a keyboard. You: Sucks to be you. LOL.
Also: applications overview wouldn't be such a mess if they automatically sorted it by app category. This actually works, and can be achieved by setting it up with some calls to gsettings. The mouse problem can be solved simply by either showing the dash in the desktop or putting another button in the panel or switching the positions of the activities and applications buttons. Hot corners are no solution to this guy's problem, and anyway they suck.
As to not showing dash on the desktop and using search, that means essentially keeping the user blind. It's disorienting and disquieting. You're not helping people see what's running or what's available or to be organized.
AS to your caption-- I'm using it WRONG-- welll, you're probably RIGHT-- but I don't like it so haven't seen any reason to learn how to use it corectly. I liked POP OS-- but mostly becasue of the window tiling ONLY... I would like to see demo of how to PORPERLY use gnome--- to SEE if I end up liking it or not.
I just installed Fedora 40 into Virtualbox and immediatelly searched videos to explain Gnome to me. I'm sorry but you're using it wrong argument is shit. We are not here to conform to DE. We want something that works. Sure we can go to other DE, flavors, spins... But what is the point of gnome if I hate it in first 2 minutes? I hated it the first time i saw Ubuntu went gnome. Its imitating ios or android?? I'm using it on a desktop and i don't need my 32 inch screen to give me a vertigo when i hit the super key. What is up with that. Every other DE uses a smaller window to search for apps. Why not just be macos and show the dock when you move the mouse to bottom edge? NO NO NO. Back to KDE, xfce, cinnamon or anything else
And that can be simply generalized to include all FOSS software... gimp is gimp it is not photoshop alternative .. libreoffice is libreoffice, it is not ms office alternative.
That title is a bit aggressive, I thought you were being a little facetious. Nope, just very blunt - hah. I like Gnome for it's stability among all major DEs, but there's some criticism. Gnome looks and behave more like a tablet OS. This impression doesn't advertise "work efficiency" to most people. Could GNOME focus on a workflow-oriented GUI without looking like a tablet OS? I think so, it only needs slight adjustments. Taskbar is limited. You can't add buttons, widgets, or minimize apps (Steam, Discord) to the taskbar. Besides a few system settings, if you want to use, toggle, or look at something you need to open a window for it. The previous issue is exacerbate because multiple apps are harder to keep track without a proper activity menu on the toolbar. There's alt+tab and workspaces, but many other DEs also have multiple desktops\workspace, including KDE. So we have a little more restrictive DE with no inclusive advantage to productivity. Another big hit against GNOME is its RAM and performance. It's visually bland (personally don't mind) but is a more restrictive DE, yet it doesn't even fair better than KDE.
Haha, yeah. I usually make the same argument when people leverage criticisms against KDE, xfce, twms, etc. People tend to conflate preference with criticism. GNOME is pretty good at doing what GNOME wants to do. The typical complaints people make against windows and macos only make sense there because they have no other choice. But the beauty of Linux is that there are a ton of choices. Just because GNOME isn't Sway, doesn't mean GNOME is bad, it just means you should be using Sway.
Launching the application through the search is not a "different workflow", it's not convenient. In order to switch between windows every time you go into the overview (do two clicks instead of one) - this is not a "different workflow", this is not convenient. Looking at desktop miniatures that are practically invisible to the eye under a huge search field is not a "different workflow", it's not convenient. The inability to swap two workspaces is not a "different workflow", it's not convenient. A huge PRACTICALLY EMPTY panel at the top of the screen, where there are only 3 small, not very informative elements, which does not hide even when the application is expanded to full screen - this is not a "different workflow", it is not convenient and not beautiful, it visually interferes, eats up a lot of useful screen space. The gnome is initially a mistake. Too unergonomic waste of space on the screen, too many unnecessary actions to switch between applications. There are currently no convenient and beautiful environments on Linux, except for pangolin (from dahlia os, still in beta), cutefish (still in beta), and unity (died due to the stupidity of canonical, but at the request of users, it starts to return, because people don't like the gnome).
well, everyone is free to do what they are trying to do in their own basement, and excel at that, but that does not mean it should be fed to half of the world if they do not like it.
@@ambros470 agreed, but I have not used word forced either. Final verdict if desktop environment is good or bad is on users, not on someone's fulfilment of self defined goals. So if people dislike it, it is on gnome, and not on people.
I never liked gnome because of the way its developers are, the fact that today it lacks basic things or adds incomplete functions, the format is dial for tablets not for desktop, and if I want to use mostly a keyboard I use a WM that comes in handy a lot more complete and they don't break as much as gnome if I put an extension on it
Hating on gnome because it isn't windows or it isn't macos is so counter-intuitive for me. We all are here because we don't like windows/macos, so why do you all want desktop environments to be like them? The last thing we need is windowsifying or macosifying linux, and gnome is the only dm that understands this, and actually tries to be innovative.
TL:DR The problem with gnome is not its unorthodox lool, but that it is stuck in beetween of beeing keybord and mouse oriented. Yuo cannot be both. Great explainatory Video. TBH it is the best of those I've seen so far. Yet gnome is still horible to use in my case. If i want to relay on keybord shortcuts i would go with something that is keybord oriented like i3 or openbox, fluxbox, suckless. Yes they are ugly as F*, yet they are light, blazing fast and highly configurable. Gnome is none of those things. On top of that it's nither mouse nor keybord oriented. The problem with gnome is not its unorthodox lool, but that it is stuck in beetween of beeing keybord and mouse oriented
So, instead to just click on the app and open it, with gnome I have to hit super key, then everything is zoomed out, then I have to count that it's a third app on the shell and than I have to click super key + 3 and then it's zooming in and opens the app. And this guy tries to convince everybody that this is convenient. And there are still people ho believe him!!!??? WTF? GNOME is BAD And we are not wrong! I don't know any alive person who likes gnome (and I asked a lot). These people only exist in the virtual space, trying to convince everybody that they are wrong. Unbelievable!!! 👎
06:31 "GNOME isn't Windows; GNOME isn't MacOS; GNOME is GNOME." I disagree. GNOME isn't GNOME. GNOME 2 is GNOME, and GNOME >= 3 is something else. I help the elderly use Linux, and there is absolutely no way people who can no longer touch-type can use what GNOME has become. If you can't easily slide a mouse to it, it may just as well be impossible.
The problem with using the activities window to move between the apps, makes me feel sick. I changed the super key to use Arc and launcher. This way it's not throwing my windows all over the place when I want to launch or change applications. I also like having the dock to see what I have open. The only time I use activities is to switch workspaces.
But you can use only one hot corner which is top left. And this is stupid. As stupid as empty black pannel wich has no functionality except showing time.
I respectfully disagree. I installed Fedora about a month ago, and after three days I just *had* to remove it. Gnome 3 does not work for me and hated it. I would never say it's bad per se. However, discoverability, in my opinion, is exceptionally important to any UI design. You even admit that it's not very discoverable. I would rather use KDE or XFCE over Gnome 3. But that's the benefit of the Unix/Linux ecosystem is that, if you don't like something, you can choose something else.
Completely fair take. As I said in the video, GNOME expects a bit of labor out of its users in order to adapt to the new paradigm. This isn't bad necessarily, it's just different. I remember the first time I used macOS I felt lost while I tried navigating the new, unfamiliar terrain. But as I learned to use it, the unease disappeared and I could appreciate it for what it was; not for what it wasn't (Windows). I felt a similar discomfort moving to Linux/GNOME, but it passed with time. But like we've both said, if you don't like it, don't use it. There are plenty of completely stellar DEs out there that would appreciate another user or two! That's why I love Linux.
Gnome is counter-intuitive, why have menus, buttons and icons if you're just going to use hotkeys and keyboard shortcuts? You might as well use a tiling window manager if thats you're approach to productivity workflow and you're just trying to justify Gnome developers illogical ideology! The first thing everyone does after installing Gnome is install a plethora of extension to "fix" what should already be installed by default... In my opinion you should just use KDE where everything is already built in and just works. Nothing worse than installing the latest Gnome and now all your extensions are broken! LOL On a side note... If you just start typing what you want open on your desktop in KDE it will automatically start your search function, no super key required...
Agreed. I believe i read that Gnome DM has the highest learning curve. I tried it and now am on KDE because it works to my workflow. I believe the person in the reddit, should be using another DM to work with his normal work flow.
The default desktop has in mind if you’re using a smartphone or tablet, then the layout makes sense. On a desktop PC or laptop which is keyboard and mouse driven, its useless. To restore sanity, you have to have to install Tweaks to toggle on the min and max buttons, install Dash to Dock and replace activities with an application menu just to get a usable desktop. You’re not using it wrong, its the paradigm and that’s why MATE, Cinnamon and Budgie emerged to continue the traditional desktop metaphor on Linux.
Average SoystemD user using Google chrome
Making Luke Smith proud one comment at a time.
No, not even one of them. Show me a nonsystemD distro that actually works out of the box.
Not even one of them. They're all still dealing with the same issues we had in the 90's. WiFi, not working, hardware not being ident properly.
@@Stopinvadingmyhardware alpine Linux and Gentoo work fine to me
Also the bsd distros work great without it
you make the linux community worse by a long shot mate , the best thing about linux is the freedom is gives us let people use what they want .
No step on snek
GNOME is my favorite DE. I never knew you could open programs by pressing super+(number) to open programs from the dock, thanks for the tip. I always open programs with super + typing the program name, but I will give your trick a try :-)
You can set the shortcuts for all your programs and flatpaks a well, My problem with it is during an upgrade, It is very hard to carry those over after an install.
I watched EBUZZ CENTRAL revew the new gnome 43 and for some reason--- LOVED IT.. and in fact i have it on VM now-- will install it straight to vanilla debian once it's OUT of beta and they have a few more of the bugs smoothed out (not that I even found any)...miracles never cease. :) ANd again- I remind anyone reading my comments- I have NEVER said gnome was bad or anything wrong wtih it- I just said I PERSONALLY- MYSELF- never liked it- because of my eyes, and reading text-and just didn't care for the design of it the way it was--- but this new one-- is GORGEOUS.. AND efficient. Wonder if I can put POP TILING EXTENSION on it???
This is the only way I open programs, I don't understand why you would want a stupid start menu type thing
Other Desktop environments have the exact same Super key functionality, and they also don't have terrible mouse interface that goes from one side of the screen to the next. So the criticism still stands.
Grandma doesn't want to use the super key anyway, she wants to use the mouse. This is why the terminal never caught on with casual users.
I find gnome to be best on laptops for a more casual use, the gestures feel polished and smooth, while the thicker title bars and icons make it easier to hit with a touchpad
@@joey_f4ke238I would say more for tablets
I really like Gnome workflow, my only complain is that it has a lot of wasted space with the mostly empty global menu bar and the title bars when using a small screen, it is double the size of kde. I wish they made a native compact mode because I don't really like to fiddle with extensions that breaks every other week.
100% agreed. I would love to see a compact adwaita by default as well.
It doesn't have global menu. They have a super primitive application menu, with the real menu being hidden behind a hamburger button inside the app. I wish they did have a global menu.
I think gnome should come with a "manual" in EVERY distro that uses it-- to show ALL the efficient ways to put it to use BY DESIGN.. how it was INTENDED...
If it needs a manual then it's not good UX.
@@Schule04 BS
@@davidwayne9982 Ever heard of intuitive design? This is not it. THIS is bullshit.
If GNOME cared about UX testing they would realize that people have issues with their GUI. But al lthe testing they did was biased feedback from a few of their own developers. As a result the GUI is only usable by those few people with special needs.
It does have a proper manual as well as well as the Tour on first login
@@gbfgtki Windows Vista did have those as well. Didn't change the fact that some of its UI was very unintuitive.
It's Ctrl+Enter to open a 2nd Console window.
If you have to explain how to use an interface, then something is wrong
Using Gnome purely with mouse is like using a supercar to travel to the shop and back
To ignore that mice exist and design your DE that way say something...not sure what...but something.
@dragonballjiujitsu not forgetting it exists, just not using it on its own without the keyboard
Sometimes it's easier to hit a keyboard shortcut than to use the mouse for the same action
Long time elementary user now moved to fedora 36: I do really like the vanilla GNOME experience but I also think the extension "Hot Edge" should be a default option. It shows up the overview screen whenever you hit the bottom edge of the display (also allows you to set a threshold in order to avoid accidental behaviour).
Basically same function as the hot corner, just much usable since the mouse cursor ends up immediately where you want it to launch a new application
Hot edge is a nice QoL extension for sure.
Bummer what's been happening behind the scenes with Elementary. Used to be one of my favorite distros, but I'm not super confident in it's future.
@@ambros470 yeah well, the latest drama (and getting a new laptop) was the tipping point for me. The launch of eOS6 last year also rubbed me the wrong way with the way they castrated their app center and how they'll prompt you menacing messages with every 3rd party app you'll install.
@@drGeppo 100%
doesn't it have a hot corner in the top left? i know it's not a whole edge but i use it all the time. the edge seems like it'd get annoying??
@OP: more workflows i used to use which I find incredibly fast by mixing mouse and keyboard:
-you can use double super key to bring up the app drawer and at the same time use mouse to click the desired app
- you can super to bring up the workspace and at the same time scroll the mouse wheel to move the next/previous workspace. Very natural
Also I figure out the Gnome super key is much like iPhone/iPad’s home button. Maybe just have a home sticker on the super key lol
Gnome is so much better for me than say, windows or mac os type desktops because it merges good design with linux customizability, and provides both a keyboard based user experience and a mouse based one, while letting you add your own shortcuts on top of that.
I love it.
Both KDE and GNOME are stellar environments, but GNOME just feels more polished, intentional, and complete to me.
I am coming from many years in KDE but got tired of some bugs. Gnome is minimalistic and you can change it as you want. BTW, if you want to be productive, you use the keyboard and shortcuts, it's much faster than using the mouse. So the first thing to do on something new is to learn the shortcuts. Good video, I totally agree. I will also add that the average user is lazy to learn something new. They expect everything is the same.
I disagree because you must remember all the key bindings. And with Dash to panel extension you can pin everything you use on it. Than it's only one click. But we all have our preferred workflow😉
I preffer XFCE
There are essentially only three kinds of computer workflow paradigms. There's tiling window managers, there's gnome, and there's everything else that is basically a fork of Windows 95. Gnome offers a new way to use your computer that I appreciate. It is the definitive Linux experience.
a dumb way of using your computer. without extensions, Gnome is nothing (not a opinion but a fact)
@@SirLancelotS i highly doubt the intelligence of those that present their opinions as "FACT!!!!"
@@sharanoth can count on fingers of one hand people using vanilla gnome
If Gnome is the "definitive Linux experience" this would explain why Linux has less than 5% of the desktop market share...
6:13 love this section of the video
Thanks!
Installed Gnome yesterday, love the workflow, its really different. The only thing thats really annoying, that my window positions don't get back to the place when I reopen then -_- it opens back at the top right, which is annoying on a super ultrawide. Windows and Mac do this right, so why gnome doesn't?
I think there's a gnome extension for that, can't remember the name though
@@kavoya Nothing what I could find :(
GNOME puts windows in free space rather than where they last were. You can see this if you open multiple apps. GNOME will automatically put them shoulder to shoulder and make sure they don't overlap if possible.
@@MyAmazingUsername jups, not what I'm used to from Windows, its the one thing that keeps me from my workflow :(
@@SqreurDJ Hmm, if your workflow involves having exact positions for apps, then look into "Material Shell", it's a full overhaul extension which remembers application positions and workspace locations, if I remember correctly.
I was inspired to bite the bullet and try out fedora 36 workstation for about a month. I used default gnome and barely any tweaks. I think I have a far better idea of GNOME de now.
My previous comment about app menu blocking my my current tasks still holds true, but GNOME has it's own strengths and weakness. I like to split my usecases into 2 types, laptop mode and desktop mode.
GNOME is excellent on laptop mode, the trackpad gestures are fully featured such that you can navigate everywhere you want easily, you don't even need to use the keyboard for the super key or any other shortcuts. It's that great.
Desktop mode however, is decent. As long as you use it in a keyboard centric way. If your left hand is preoccupied in some way and not hovering over the super key, the experience gets worse. It's actually pretty bad navigating with mouse alone, you have to move your mouse a huge distance just to open the app menu.
I added a hotcorner in the bottom left to open the app menu directly. But that doesn't change the fact that it's not the default settings. New GNOME users like me do not even know of the existence of GNOME tweaks and how some settings are hidden there, this will not be ideal for windows migrators or people who don't Google for tiny features. It could be improved by makings them more available, but I doubt GNOME devs will care.
You can hit super key twice really fast fast to open the app launcher directly.
@@leonordmann Or Super+A once.
What makes you say GNOME devs wouldn't care? You have ideas, so you should definitely participate in the project through its communication channels rather than writing TH-cam comments.
That might be so, but with Dash to panel extension you can pin everything you use on it, so it's only one click, instead of two😉 That was my preferred workflow when I used Gnome desktop.
I used to hate GNOME just because of how much RAM it uses. But it felt more responsive and smooth compared to WM (i3, Sway).
It natively supports Wayland too, is not as buggy as KDE. My only concern is that some extensions are a must-have like Dash-to-Dock. They should add an option to customize your dock a little more.
Gnome doesn't use much more memory, it just utilizes more memory if it's available. That's a more modern development technique to cache stuff. All the modern apps do it. But the core of gnome, if you strip that caching thing, it uses about 300 MB, which is not a lot. But because it decides to utilize available ram, people think that it's a hog.
@@EugeniaLoli Ya, I used to think GNOME was a heavy resource eater. In reality it was more fluid than I ever expected to be thanks to system cache.
Had my Sway built with Void using around 250mb of RAM at best, still had those lag spikes whenever I moved into the system.
My question is - how to learn Gnome's workflow? I got here while looking for some extensive introduction exactly because I heard it's a different experience, but haven't found one yet
Thanks for the video idea! Hope this helps:
th-cam.com/video/wbDLfRjam0E/w-d-xo.html
@@ambros470 yes it does, thx!
I use pretty much vanilla gnome (no dock or panel, no app menu up top), but I do use an extension that enables bringing up the overview (and the dash) by moving my mouse to the bottom of the screen. It works at the top too, but having at the bottom as well. I have an extension for the clipboard as well.
by your definition the badges discord puts on things is "wrong" because it requires seeing those apps on your bar which by default you dont
I am not sure if you addressed the issue the reddit post was mentioning. I am pretty sure the person who wrote the post knew that Gnome wants them forcefully to use the keyboard. That's why the post starts with "I am a heavy mouse user...". And if that is your workflow, then Gnome is definitely cumbersome and very much in your way.
And then you can of course ask the question: should the desktop environment force the user to apply a specific workflow, or should the DE adjust to the users workflow, to not be in their way. And that is the question.
If the work you have to do on the computer forces you to have your right hand mostly on the mouse, then being forced to replace your hand to the keyboard to do anything meaningful in the DE is cumbersome and there is nothing you can do about it, other than either Gnome+extensions or a different DE.
Gnome overcomes this problem in the laptop realm, where they have so much functionality in mousepad gestures.
But nevertheless, your work decides about what workflow(s) will be more or less suitable to you. If the workflow that vanilla Gnome wants you to force to use is not part of that spectrum, then that is how it is.
And then again, there is the point, that people are creatures of habit and they are just used to a certain workflow coming from Mac or Win and theoretically they could just change their workflow to Gnome and still do their tasks. Still, changing your workflow, that is part of your muscle memory, is cumbersome. And even if that is just a problem for some time, it still raises the question: Should in general force the DE a specific workflow on the user or should it be the other way around.... you know, so the DE is not in the way?
I do use vanilla Gnome everyday, but only on a laptop that I don't use for my job. For the work I have to do in my job, actually the material-shell layout would give me the most efficient way to do my tasks.
Mind you, Super key plus the program name's first few letters works super well in Windows, too.
Not gonna lie, I never realized the dash also mapped shortcuts, lmao.
I usually unfavrotiw everything from the dash like a savage.
Just put a panel on the bottom with your most used apps, i press the super key and type in the first 3 letters of the app i want to launch it auto completes and i press enter.
Thanks, I turned off Dash to Doc and a few other extensions and not looked back.
Great video man, I've been using gnome for a few months and this was very helpful. I'm on Manjaro, but my super + number keys are mapped to workspaces rather than launching from the dock, so I'm going to look into how I can change that.
Gnome has always been a mystery wrapped in an enigma to me.
I think the GNOME menu is an extremely intrusive design for an app menu though, it opens full screen and takes away the entire desktop view for the duration that you have it open. The traditional "start button" design is what I would consider as "getting out of the user's way". I can open new apps while only minimally interrupting my current window at the bottom left corner. It is core to my usage, watching videos, reading documents, browsing, then deciding to open the text editor or calculator app. I don't want to have my entire screen taken away by the app menu.
I also mainly keep my laptop docked to multiple monitors, workspace switching isn't quite as important. Even when I take my laptop around, workspace switching is still easy enough to set up a quick way to access it. A keyboard shortcut, scrolling the taskbar workspace icon, even hot corners might work.
I think we can agree to disagree. I'm not saying GNOME is unusable, people can adapt to anything if they spend enough time on it. I just don't believe it works better than a traditional desktop. It would be amazing on touch screen tablet PC though, if those exist running linux. A traditional desktop would suck with a touch screen.
That's why Cinnamon (a fork of Gnome 3) is superior to standard current Gnome.
Do you remember windows 8? It had a full screen start button as well. I like it tbh,
I think full screen is better than small start menu because of bigger touch points
@@folksurvival mate is. Cinnamon is just a windows 10 copy. Prove mewrong
@@aratibanerjee8972 Both MATE and Cinnamon are superior to the current GNOME.
Why can't you switch to workspace n by hitting super + n in gnome?
The only way is to cycle through all of them with super + page down/up...
Goddamnit. I do all the wrong things you showed in your video. From tomorrow I'm gonna use the super key.
However I wish you demonstrated how to use virtual desktops better. You moved too fast
It is a good addition to my knowledge, however, I found out that this works on applications that are pinned to the dock not additional open apps.
Well no, by the definition no. But you can type and get your app super quickly anyway tho.
I can understand a lot of the things that gnome does but why do they not ship with a system tray?
Agreed with everything you said. I have a French keyboard with English language (long story) but it means Super+numeric does nothing. the numbers across the top only give numbers when used with shift key. So that doesn't work either. Any way to get Gnome to open programs with the shortcuts?
I recommend using Dash to Dock extension, makes the experience so much easier.
I've had serious GEEKS on here chew my butt bigtime and telling me not to bash gnome or put it down etc..-- and I remind them to go back and read my comment- and I ay I DO NOT LIKE GNOME-- NEVER have I ever said it was bad or stupid-- I said the keyboard crap is STUPID FOR ME--- I'm 66, bad eyes- and HATE TEXT and reading not to mention memorizing keyboard combinations for moving stuff-- it's just ridiculous___ FOR ME.. I've never bashed it for anyone else.!!!
I first thought about this and had it click while playing classic fallout. I went to go see some lets plays and realized that I had missed out on some stuff because I didn't know I could interact with it. I would have known on a more modern game, but something about the audio/visual language of the 90s didn't click on me. I didn't have the right cultural context.
I would say it's better because of these features. I've been using Windows like this for years, when I switched to Gnome I immediately appreciated that it's designed to be used in this way.
I've never understood the point of persisting with this old school hierarchical start menu thing, why do Linux desktop environments continue to replicate this?
I'll only consider using KDE, XFCE etc if there's a way to configure it to work like Gnome. But why would I when Gnome works perfectly the way I like without configuring?
My main criticism of Gnome is it isn't as configurable as KDE.
I installed Debian Debian with gnome on my laptop, but I couldn't figure out how everything worked, so I un-installed it.
Desktop environments should be intuitive to use. There should not be a learning curve.
The fact that commands are more efficient with keyboard shortcuts does not explain why the Activities button is at the top and the dash at the bottom, nor why you have to click on the former to make the latter visible. This Activity button serves no purpose, except to waste time.
Or why hide the dash to begin with, if you have to activate the activities overview in order to see your most used apps then why not just let people place their most used apps on the panel to begin with? why have a long panel at the top of the screen with next to nothing on it? that's just wasted space, if there's a panel there then I might as well make good use of it and place some app launchers on it.
The ultimate ambition of the Gnome 4x designers seems to be to offer an empty home screen, that being said they allow you to add modules (dash to dock for example) and still do an incredible job.
@@TonyVisconti The problem I have with extensions is some of them can make the whole desktop unstable, and they can break when a new version of gnome gets released too.
@@benjy288 That's why Ubuntu exists :p to fix Gnome's mistakes.
I would say we can divide in three ways to interact with GNOME (or any DE)
Keyboard centric interaction: Make sense that the one I would use, I tap Super to get the Activity Overview and double Super to get to Applications.
Touchpad centric interaction: Make sense if your touchpad does not suck like mine, with three fingers go to Activity and then to Applications. You can go from one activity to the other with two fingers
Mouse centric: Does not make sense. You have to go to the left corner to then go to the Show Apps right corner!
The problem is most new users especially newbies will first have a mouse centric experience. It is just how most DE on Windows or Mac handle this. Usually you first go with the mouse, and then maybe how to use properly the touchpad and the keyboard. There are environments like i3 or other that are basically only keyboard centric but it is expected at advanced users that are willing to learn first and not the majority of people.
I guess you could just put an application button next to activity? That would make it go back when there was a menu but instead just make the menu the all screen? Or put the dash on the left with the Show apps at first. But for now from a mouse centric pov it just does not make sense.
Personally I added extension like Space bar so I see with numbers where activities are and in what activity I am so I can enter then with Super+Number.
I am not really upset by the lack of Desktop icons, I don't use them.
For me the simple solution would really to have an application button like Pop! OS. It just makes more sense. Why put it on the Dash when the dash is hidden behind a button?
My perfect GNOME would be just to use the title bar to show workspaces and how much are open, then put an application button on the title bar.
or maybe hot edge at the bottom
I'm no lover of Gnome for sure, but I did find this helpful to put some things into proper context. It at least brings rationale to the workflow. My gripes about it are more fundamental (near lack of customization ability without extensions, that are prone to break upon upgrade). But, this is good clarification, thank you.
The lack of shortcuts, and fluid movement from one app to the other is absolutely atrocious. Even Slackware 2 had that with X and X11. Since you mentioned Mac OS, even Mac has keyboard shortcuts to switch between apps and windows and windowing environment.
That's not even considering that Gnome doesn't have a native IDE or default environment for development. Which is the primary reason people use Linux, because of the Developing and Admin tools built into it. KDE does, which makes it immediately superior.
Across all distros, what’s the percentage of default distros of Gnome3 v KDE? I really find it unusable for my purposes. I am trying to understand Gnome43 usage/uptake across the Linux community.
GNOME 3? Not sure, probably only distros based on Debian LTS. Gnome 4x ships by default on a ton of distros. I think between KDE, GNOME, XFCE, and Cinnamon, GNOME and KDE are probably the most popular.
It's hard to say which is more popular between the two, but I'm guessing it's GNOME if for no other reason than the legacy popularity of Ubuntu. For more advanced users, usage seems split in my experience. Both are amazing DEs.
I'm curious what you find unusable about GNOME.
@@ambros470 sorry, it should have read Gnome 43! Being old school KDE/Windows in my mindset, I personally find the entire concept of the current Gnome too unintuitive - it is a radical departure from the "norms" but I think it is too much of a departure. You somehow end up pressing too many clicks and buttons, upper bar and lower bar and this corner and that corner. There are good and well-founded reasons for how WindowsOS versions (apart from the radical Win8/8.1) have been structured - the so-called HCI research groups at Microsoft spend a lot of time and effort in getting things "right" by analysing user behaviour and how users interact with desktop environments (not saying they always get it right...!). I don't know the history of the development of the current Gnome but being an opensource and community driven effort, perhaps the detailed HCI aspects were not as deeply researched? Just speculating and hoping to learn and be more convinced!
Gnome is my favorite DE..i just wish that it was pretty like Mac OS. There is an extension (forgot the name) that allows you over the mouse at the bottom and it would show the overview (instead of going top left), i think Gnome should offer that as a default. Or at least offer a hot corner customization in settings. There is a function in dash to dock that allows you to just click on an app that will bring you to the running app on whatever screen that it is. Implant that as well (one click)
I've used that extension and found it to be far too sensitive. I was constantly activating it accidentally and unfortunately it didn't have any settings options. It would be fantastic if it could be configured to require a little force to activate.
Couldn’t agree more. Some people don’t want to put in the effort to learn new things. FYI I am using Fedora Gnome to learn how to use it most efficiently.
Fedora is a solid distro. Currently my daily driver too
People will literally spend 7 years ricing a WM and learning 96 shortcuts instead of learning GNOME in like 20 minutes.
Because they're hipsters with superiority syndrome whom don't even work.
When I first came across gnome I HATED it. But now I love it. It focuses me on the task at hand with no distractions. 👍😀
Agreed. In my opinion, the best DE is the one you forget is even there.
thanks god we have kde
one thing that i don't like is the whole idea of multiple workspaces or desktops. because the idea of desktop is legacy. the idea of a desktop takes up space in my mind. never use them. because i normally use apps fullscreen, unless they are file managers. better perhaps might be if the apps resized to the workspace by default. but i realize not all apps resize. for me, the app is already a workspace, so a workspace within a workspace is a level of redundancy I don't like. i'd rather shift between apps than have multiple desktops. hope that makes sense.
Can I please have this wallpaper please?
the more i use the new ubuntu the more i love this thing. there's a few KEY extentions, like gtile but once you have it going, boy oh boy.
I need to run windows for gaming on the main machine but other than that, every other machine will be running ubuntu in this house
The thing is, GNOME is amazing compared to apple and window... THE END!
over-amplification is my most required thing as my laptop sound is very low. GNOME does not have this.
Last I looked it's a setting within GNOME tweaks
Beautifully explained
I've had some of these freakin geeks tell me to use KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS--- well if I wanted to use a damn keyboard for everything-- I'd use an openbox and nothing eslse.... I HATE KEYBOARD BULLS__T!!! I can't stand that- and looking at a bucnh of stupid key combo codes to memorize and then reading nothing much but text on here.. I DO NOT WANT to type- or use freakin STUPID ASSED TEXT!!! It's ridiculous
Getting some strong "I use Apple logos on my KDE rice" vibes from this.
Well you can make gnome looks like as you wish. for example with 2 small extensions (dash to panel and arcmenu) and you have an whole different experience, similar to cinnamon or plasma but more solid, much better looking and easier to customize as you wish.
So instead of one click to taskbar on Windows I need to press Win key and TAPE something? Sounds very convenient:))
Yes, Super + the first several letters of your program is going to be much faster than anything you do with your mouse.
@@ambros470 Not when you have the application launcher right on the panel, you just move your mouse over and click on the icon to launch the application, plus launching an application by pressing super and then typing the name of the application can be done on basically all desktop environments.
If you're good with memorizing, it gives a great experience
I LIke gnome-- but I like KDE too-- hated it at first-- now I'm good wtih it.. If i knew how to change gnome as easily I'd love t use it too.. and I'm learning... I'm 66 and can only see reasonablly good out of one eye right now.
I totally get what they are going for, but I think as an end user, I can say, "Yes, I understand how you want me to use my computer, but I choose to find a DE that works the way I want to work".
I really dislike gnome. I use cinnamon because I've always liked the "windows" user interface.
Gnome for whatever reasons cares so much about "minimalism" that they seem to forget that at the end of the day, I just need my stuff to work.
Like they dont have notifications/icons for active background apps. I use nextcloud and I NEED those notifications. I use other apps and NEED to have them quickly available to me.
Regardless, you did a great job with the video, I see your take, and you earned a subscriber, even if we disagree :D
Thanks for the sub!
I thought the hot corner behavior has been removed on recent versions of gnome
Hot corner is still on by default, at least on Arch. They recently added hot corners into gnome settings from tweaks, though.
There's a reason why dash to dock is one of the most popular extension for gnome. I doesn't mean the gnome workflow is wrong, but that fact means something useful for the project. Form what I can see GNOME DEVS should put optional dock from dash in to the settings.
They need to find someone who would maintain that code. The code that goes into GNOME is expected to be maintained, by someone. More important if that actually goes against their desktop paradigm.
I' m not interested in substantially different workflows that I didnt customize myself.
Substantially different workflows break existing, tried and efficient workflows 10/10 times, becoming a time and productivity sink for their user base, in exchange for a vague promise of future gains which hardly ever materialize.
If you want to improve my UX then let me customize your DE as I please. I probably know a lot better what I need to best do my work than some random team of designers I have never met pitching ideas for some imaginary average user. Until then, stay out of my workflows.
Oh! This is the best video I watched about how to use Gnome!
Perfect video for clearing the point on gnome, personally i think is the best environment, definitely better than win and macos
Its so funny that Linux users will bad mouth Apple for saying you are using it wrong then install Gnome LMAO. Never seen apple updates break extensions that I had to install to get back basic functionality in the OS.
I noticed he has "tweaks" installed. Again, a third party app just have have the ability to change fonts and center new windows...lol The mental gymnastics required to justify this shit is hilarious!
The only way Gnome is even usable to most people is installing tweaks and 8-10 extensions. If your DE lacks basic functionality and If you have to explain how to use the interface, then something is wrong.
I'd use gnome if it didn't suck up to 10 fps from games compared to KDE. But for everything else - no complaints.
I'm not a huge gamer, but that doesn't really surprise me. Is it an issue with wayland vs. x11?
@@ambros470 gnome with wayland performs better than kde with wayland, but since I have dual nvidia gpu, xorg is the only option at the moment. And it works worse than kde with xorg xd
@@_hatred For sure. I have a 3050 in my current set up and that's the reason I'm driving KDE as well. I'm excited for Fedora 36 and wayland/nvidia support. We'll see how well it functions.
@@ambros470 glad to see fellow Fedora enjoyer. As well awaiting for upcoming changes, this is going to be interesting
@@_hatred and as always, NVIDIA is the source of all evil hehehe. I wish I had an AMD GPU too, but I'm stuck with a GTX 750 TI instead
GNOME is GNOME - what a great statement!
Good and accurate point of view. Thanks!
plugins help it out while i'm a xfce fanboy i'm using wayland and gnome daily and just have no real issue. i'm on Nobara btw .
Guy: Gnome sucks for mouse users.
You: You're using Gnome wrong. You should be using a keyboard.
Guy: But I like using a mouse and don't want to switch to a keyboard.
You: Sucks to be you. LOL.
Also: applications overview wouldn't be such a mess if they automatically sorted it by app category. This actually works, and can be achieved by setting it up with some calls to gsettings.
The mouse problem can be solved simply by either showing the dash in the desktop or putting another button in the panel or switching the positions of the activities and applications buttons.
Hot corners are no solution to this guy's problem, and anyway they suck.
As to not showing dash on the desktop and using search, that means essentially keeping the user blind. It's disorienting and disquieting. You're not helping people see what's running or what's available or to be organized.
AS to your caption-- I'm using it WRONG-- welll, you're probably RIGHT-- but I don't like it so haven't seen any reason to learn how to use it corectly. I liked POP OS-- but mostly becasue of the window tiling ONLY... I would like to see demo of how to PORPERLY use gnome--- to SEE if I end up liking it or not.
every desktop i know has a way to quick launch application via a meta key+ typing. thats not a gnome thing. that's a non argument.
I just installed Fedora 40 into Virtualbox and immediatelly searched videos to explain Gnome to me.
I'm sorry but you're using it wrong argument is shit. We are not here to conform to DE. We want something that works. Sure we can go to other DE, flavors, spins...
But what is the point of gnome if I hate it in first 2 minutes? I hated it the first time i saw Ubuntu went gnome. Its imitating ios or android?? I'm using it on a desktop and i don't need my 32 inch screen to give me a vertigo when i hit the super key. What is up with that. Every other DE uses a smaller window to search for apps. Why not just be macos and show the dock when you move the mouse to bottom edge? NO NO NO. Back to KDE, xfce, cinnamon or anything else
And that can be simply generalized to include all FOSS software... gimp is gimp it is not photoshop alternative .. libreoffice is libreoffice, it is not ms office alternative.
That title is a bit aggressive, I thought you were being a little facetious. Nope, just very blunt - hah.
I like Gnome for it's stability among all major DEs, but there's some criticism.
Gnome looks and behave more like a tablet OS. This impression doesn't advertise "work efficiency" to most people.
Could GNOME focus on a workflow-oriented GUI without looking like a tablet OS? I think so, it only needs slight adjustments.
Taskbar is limited. You can't add buttons, widgets, or minimize apps (Steam, Discord) to the taskbar.
Besides a few system settings, if you want to use, toggle, or look at something you need to open a window for it.
The previous issue is exacerbate because multiple apps are harder to keep track without a proper activity menu on the toolbar. There's alt+tab and workspaces, but many other DEs also have multiple desktops\workspace, including KDE. So we have a little more restrictive DE with no inclusive advantage to productivity.
Another big hit against GNOME is its RAM and performance. It's visually bland (personally don't mind) but is a more restrictive DE, yet it doesn't even fair better than KDE.
Haha, yeah. I usually make the same argument when people leverage criticisms against KDE, xfce, twms, etc. People tend to conflate preference with criticism. GNOME is pretty good at doing what GNOME wants to do. The typical complaints people make against windows and macos only make sense there because they have no other choice. But the beauty of Linux is that there are a ton of choices. Just because GNOME isn't Sway, doesn't mean GNOME is bad, it just means you should be using Sway.
Launching the application through the search is not a "different workflow", it's not convenient.
In order to switch between windows every time you go into the overview (do two clicks instead of one) - this is not a "different workflow", this is not convenient.
Looking at desktop miniatures that are practically invisible to the eye under a huge search field is not a "different workflow", it's not convenient.
The inability to swap two workspaces is not a "different workflow", it's not convenient.
A huge PRACTICALLY EMPTY panel at the top of the screen, where there are only 3 small, not very informative elements, which does not hide even when the application is expanded to full screen - this is not a "different workflow", it is not convenient and not beautiful, it visually interferes, eats up a lot of useful screen space.
The gnome is initially a mistake. Too unergonomic waste of space on the screen, too many unnecessary actions to switch between applications. There are currently no convenient and beautiful environments on Linux, except for pangolin (from dahlia os, still in beta), cutefish (still in beta), and unity (died due to the stupidity of canonical, but at the request of users, it starts to return, because people don't like the gnome).
well, everyone is free to do what they are trying to do in their own basement, and excel at that, but that does not mean it should be fed to half of the world if they do not like it.
TIL half the world is being forced to use GNOME.
@@ambros470 agreed, but I have not used word forced either. Final verdict if desktop environment is good or bad is on users, not on someone's fulfilment of self defined goals. So if people dislike it, it is on gnome, and not on people.
Gnome is awesome on a laptop with gestures
People always compare GNOMe to Windows and says it's better. Well, that might just be that people don't really come from macOS to GNOMe
I never liked gnome because of the way its developers are, the fact that today it lacks basic things or adds incomplete functions, the format is dial for tablets not for desktop, and if I want to use mostly a keyboard I use a WM that comes in handy a lot more complete and they don't break as much as gnome if I put an extension on it
your way to describe things get me enlighten😊❤
Hating on gnome because it isn't windows or it isn't macos is so counter-intuitive for me. We all are here because we don't like windows/macos, so why do you all want desktop environments to be like them? The last thing we need is windowsifying or macosifying linux, and gnome is the only dm that understands this, and actually tries to be innovative.
TL:DR The problem with gnome is not its unorthodox lool, but that it is stuck in beetween of beeing keybord and mouse oriented. Yuo cannot be both.
Great explainatory Video. TBH it is the best of those I've seen so far. Yet gnome is still horible to use in my case. If i want to relay on keybord shortcuts i would go with something that is keybord oriented like i3 or openbox, fluxbox, suckless. Yes they are ugly as F*, yet they are light, blazing fast and highly configurable. Gnome is none of those things. On top of that it's nither mouse nor keybord oriented. The problem with gnome is not its unorthodox lool, but that it is stuck in beetween of beeing keybord and mouse oriented
So, instead to just click on the app and open it, with gnome I have to hit super key, then everything is zoomed out, then I have to count that it's a third app on the shell and than I have to click super key + 3 and then it's zooming in and opens the app. And this guy tries to convince everybody that this is convenient. And there are still people ho believe him!!!??? WTF? GNOME is BAD And we are not wrong! I don't know any alive person who likes gnome (and I asked a lot). These people only exist in the virtual space, trying to convince everybody that they are wrong. Unbelievable!!! 👎
Yeah makes no sense at all lmao
06:31 "GNOME isn't Windows; GNOME isn't MacOS; GNOME is GNOME." I disagree. GNOME isn't GNOME. GNOME 2 is GNOME, and GNOME >= 3 is something else. I help the elderly use Linux, and there is absolutely no way people who can no longer touch-type can use what GNOME has become. If you can't easily slide a mouse to it, it may just as well be impossible.
The problem with using the activities window to move between the apps, makes me feel sick. I changed the super key to use Arc and launcher. This way it's not throwing my windows all over the place when I want to launch or change applications. I also like having the dock to see what I have open. The only time I use activities is to switch workspaces.
But you can use only one hot corner which is top left. And this is stupid. As stupid as empty black pannel wich has no functionality except showing time.
I respectfully disagree.
I installed Fedora about a month ago, and after three days I just *had* to remove it. Gnome 3 does not work for me and hated it.
I would never say it's bad per se. However, discoverability, in my opinion, is exceptionally important to any UI design. You even admit that it's not very discoverable.
I would rather use KDE or XFCE over Gnome 3. But that's the benefit of the Unix/Linux ecosystem is that, if you don't like something, you can choose something else.
Completely fair take. As I said in the video, GNOME expects a bit of labor out of its users in order to adapt to the new paradigm. This isn't bad necessarily, it's just different. I remember the first time I used macOS I felt lost while I tried navigating the new, unfamiliar terrain. But as I learned to use it, the unease disappeared and I could appreciate it for what it was; not for what it wasn't (Windows). I felt a similar discomfort moving to Linux/GNOME, but it passed with time.
But like we've both said, if you don't like it, don't use it. There are plenty of completely stellar DEs out there that would appreciate another user or two! That's why I love Linux.
imagine if you just had a shortcut for everything you wanted that didn't zoom and warp all your windows when you wanted to do anything.....
I'd never considered that before!
Gnome is counter-intuitive, why have menus, buttons and icons if you're just going to use hotkeys and keyboard shortcuts?
You might as well use a tiling window manager if thats you're approach to productivity workflow and you're just trying to justify Gnome developers illogical ideology! The first thing everyone does after installing Gnome is install a plethora of extension to "fix" what should already be installed by default... In my opinion you should just use KDE where everything is already built in and just works. Nothing worse than installing the latest Gnome and now all your extensions are broken! LOL
On a side note... If you just start typing what you want open on your desktop in KDE it will automatically start your search function, no super key required...
Changing because its Gah-nome and not "nome"
Even if Gnome isn't a bad desktop, it's a bad organization. Big yikes. There is better out there.
Why?
Just click windows button
Agreed. I believe i read that Gnome DM has the highest learning curve. I tried it and now am on KDE because it works to my workflow. I believe the person in the reddit, should be using another DM to work with his normal work flow.
I've always favored XFCE and Cinnamon. Gnome just isn't for me, and it's my fault. I just don't like it. lol
Gnome is terrible, but it is the best desktop environment ever made for desktop computers.
The default desktop has in mind if you’re using a smartphone or tablet, then the layout makes sense. On a desktop PC or laptop which is keyboard and mouse driven, its useless. To restore sanity, you have to have to install Tweaks to toggle on the min and max buttons, install Dash to Dock and replace activities with an application menu just to get a usable desktop. You’re not using it wrong, its the paradigm and that’s why MATE, Cinnamon and Budgie emerged to continue the traditional desktop metaphor on Linux.
I love Gnome but I disagree with the video in general. Saying that's the way to use Gnome is wrong.
Complaining about Gnome as a "heavy mouse user" is already a mistake