I couldn't agree more on the whole "different is better" aspect about GNOME. For years I had been trying to get into Linux via Mint or Ubuntu, but it felt limiting because I kept trying to do things the Windows way. Going Fedora + Vanilla GNOME forced me out of my Windows habits and to learn how to use Linux properly, now it's my OS of choice and I'm far more productive than I ever was on Windows. It hurts to go back to Windows because of how often it wants to get in the way of what I'm doing, and who knows what the heck MacOS is even doing.
I wholeheartedly agree, it was Gnome that got me out of my comfort zone and into linux, because I did not want a windows (or Mac) lookalike. I always dual boot Windows and distro hop for the other Gnome-Linux variant. Come to think of it Gnome does bear some similarity to Mac OS though.
@@jethrot100I think the similarity to macOS is superficial, at least in the latest version of GNOME. Being able to access Search, Workspaces, and the ‘Dock’, from a tap of the Windows/Super key is very powerful and efficient. These are all 3 separate things with their own ways of accessing them on macOS, and going back to my MacBook after using GNOME on Fedora feels clunky.
@@gryg666 While I enjoy using forge in Gnome and I think it's a perfect complement for the workflow, I'm not sure if I would be able to go all-in on a tiling manager. Maybe I'll give it a try sometime.
The part about being different from Windows and MacOS couldn't be more true. Every time I see a youtuber recommending a certain distro or a certain DE because it "feels like home" to certain groups of Windows users, I always think that's a bad idea. This will just make them "come back home" after all.
I want to like vanilla Gnome, but I have an extension to display a different background image every few hours. It's pointing at a folder of dark-theme-friendly monochrome anime girl images, which is pretty pretty essential for a desktop computer IMO.
@@falajose3080 It's a mix, depending on your workplace. On my work PC, I have everything as default/vanilla as possible. I'm pretty sure I got them all from wallpaperflare, but it looks like they're having an SSL cert issue right now. They have a bunch of images with a black background and mostly monochrome girl, maybe with some light accent coloring, on the right 1/3rd of the screen.
There might be a gsetting thing to change your wallpaper and you could have a user chronjob or systemd job run that command. Not to familiar with gsettings though.
@@Trafotin Dang, wallpaper flare is still down and my earlier linkless reply to jose got nuked. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to do it with a job like that, but the extension has been great, so I can't complain.
I believe you can also double click the top bar of a window to maximize it as well. I'm not sure if it's a part of an extension but you can de-maximize it back to it's previous window through the topbar by click and drag.
I'm a GNOME user because it's been a breath of fresh air for using my computer. It's very unique. It really changed how I operate my computer and it's very sleek. I keep GNOME as default as possible, with only a couple of extensions.
GNOME is great and I love the workflow, style and polish that they went for. People hate it so much not because it's genuinely bad, but because it's not Windows/macOS. It's like adding chocolate to a meat dish, getting diarrhea and then complaining that chocolate sucks, while people that eat chocolate for dessert laugh at you.
I feel like it’s because it’s too simplistic by design. It works good if you have say you to 5 windows on up to like max 5 workspaces. Doesn’t really scale beyond that. On Windows I can have few hundred and not even notice it and I think it’s a good thing. So people still end up installing something like Dash to Panel or even at least Dash to Dock to switch between windows and even know more-less which ones they have opened. And I’m not sure if most people ever use workspaces…
@@p0358 Why wouldn't it scale beyond 5 workspaces? Also, if you have hundreds of workspaces/windows open, you should reconsider what you're trying to achieve with your computer
I'm a KDE "fan", but I want to try get GNOME an honest try for at least a month. Especially since I have friends and family that could potentially click with GNOME, I want to be able to help them navigate. There are some behaviors that I will prefer from KDE that could be solved through extensions, but I'd prefer to stick as close to vanilla GNOME as much as possible in the name of stability. Great video!
I love the gnome workflow, but I find the lack of variable refresh rate and proper fractional scaling support to be a dealbreaker, so I am 'stuck' with KDE
@@bobbyfried7478 GTK applications don't support fractional scaling, so in the backend Gnome let's them draw on e.g. 5 times the size and then downscales them to a quarter of that (so you and up at 1,25 the original size). This can be a BIG performance problem on a lot of systems (and on mobile devices like a notebook a waste of energy in all cases).
I agree that different is better. I just gave Gnome another chance and while I definitely feel it's improved since the last time I used it. But I'm still having issues with it. So I'm back to my Mate/i3 combo on X11 and then Hyprland on Wayland. (There are certain things I still need X11 for) I'm paying attention to the development of the new Cosmic desktop, too. I definitely want to give that a try when it comes out.
Been using gnome since moved out from windows, first time try gnome on Ubuntu , feels weird at the first time ... but after using it for a quite some time, i do feel more comfortable using gnome rather than other's DE.. at this moment no matter what distro i'll use , I will use gnome for sure.. except for kali linux which is it's really look good with xfce ..
it's just a theme on kali and it's simple enough to make any Xfce look like Kali's. Xfce has the same plugins and such on any distro that uses it or has it in their respective repos.
I actually gave Gnome a try and went back to KDE only for me to be missing how easy it was for me to open apps and not have to remember which Desktop a particular app is. I finally made the switch and I'm much happier. 🥰 The extension that shows the name of the app you're currently using, what is it called? I need that to complete my switch. Thanks for an amazing video.
I've been a Windows user for years, but I've also been a die-hard KDE fan since I first tried Linux back in 2006. As the years go on though, I've noticed that more and more of the larger distros are shipping GNOME by default. So, I've went back and forth with Plasma and GNOME. And to be honest, I'm getting to a point where I enjoy GNOME's simplicity more than I do the mountain of menus that is Plasma. I used to like tinkering with my OS, my desktop and all that. But nowadays, I just want to get things done. So, whenever I go back to Linux, I'll be using GNOME. There is also something to be said for Plasma's history of bugs and random glitches. Especially when using a rolling distro. And the more I think about it, the more I agree with Trafotin. Maybe GNOME is the better experience to introduce new users to LInux. It looks good (compared to older DE's like XFCE), tends to be more stable than Plasma, and once you learn how to navigate the launcher, GNOME is dead simple to use.
This was a great video! Although Ubuntu does some work to customize Gnome to include stuff like the Minimize button, I was intrigued to listen how people make use of the "traditional" (unmodified) Gnome desktop with the lack of a minimize button that many people rely so heavily on. I've never used virtual desktops that much myself but Gnome really seems like it's built in a way that promotes using them. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's totally a different mindset, coming from someone who has access to multiple virtual desktops on Windows and macOS but never touches them.
Personally I like the look and feel of a nicely configured kde desktop and a lot of my friends do as well though the workflow in gnome makes me want to use vanilla gnome. In kde I can't stand a lot of the default settings. The first thing I do is do away with the windows style task bar and replace it with a small bar at the top and unpin all the icons. I also rebind the keys for using virtual desktops because the defaults flat out hurt my hands. Some other things I do is change the application dashboard to the fullscreen version and add the macos style global menu to the thin bar I have at the top. When helping someone decide KDE or gnome it really depends on there needs. From what I have seen with people switching to linux what desktop environment they will like more has nothing to do with if there are a power user or not. What really makes the different is how much someone will compare linux to windows. I have a friend that is a gamer that likes kde a lot. They configured it to feel like windows but with all the things they didn't like about windows changed but they didn't like the mint desktop. I have also known people who liked gnome most likely because it is just flat out better then the windows or macos desktop out of box.
I used gnome. The workflow is nice, but it needs too many extensions to have the functionality that I expect out of the box from a DE. I switched to KDE6 and it’s been amazing. A few things could be better but atleast I don’t have to hunt for extensions for some basic functionality. Gnome developers have a really good product, but for some reason, they are hell bent on making it worse🤦♂️
I love the default gnome experience, but I actually use dash to dock (ubuntu). Having a dock for quick mouse access to my most used apps is good, and I don't feel like it takes away from the gnome experience.
I use Dash to Dock too, but just to have a panel on a second monitor, so I can pretend I look at the time when I watch a TV show or something. Probably wouldn't be using otherwise, but I admit that it's far from the default usecase.
I thought having an "experience" was what Gnome was dead set against?.. Desktop icons are the fastest way to open a program and gnome is a non starter for me because of that.
As a former Gnome hater, I too have seen the light. Plus Gnome + Wayland just works so much better than KDE + Wayland for me, and it feels more polished and seamless in general.
I don't think GNOME is bad or anything, but I like KDE better. Part of that is just because I'm used to it, but also I prefer the KDE-centric suite of software and other Qt applications so it just seems like a natural choice to use KDE itself.
I’m new to Linux. Gnome looks like it has a bigger learning curve than DEs But it also looks like if I put the work into learning Gnome, it’ll be way more efficient, in the end
Hey there, thanks for the video Pop_OS! user here (half a year), had Debian+XFCE before. A lot of my frustrations with Pop (and hopes for Cosmic) had to do with their custom GNOME version, caused a lot of frustration, and since I couldn't "fix" the functionality to be more "feature-complete" (as I understood those things) I just waited for a new, better DE from scratch. I thought this was the issue of GNOME, not Pop_OS! GNOME (since naturally if they had to customize it that meant that vanilla was even less complete, right?.. Right???) But after your video I saw how GNOME is actually *supposed* to look and function, and I am sold, will try to find a way to use it sometime later on a new install. Thanks!
Put another way, Minimize fixes the symptom - but not the problem - of lackluster window management. Gnome fixes this problem with dynamic virtual workspaces. Windows and Mac band-aided it.
Thanks for explaining. I was very resistant to the way GNOME did things but with an explanation it makes sense and makes it easier to adjust and accept. Hell, some of the changes are really good ideas.
If you use your computer, the windows will be in the way of the icons! Gnome puts icons in a layer on top of your windows, instead of making you clear your desk to reach what you need.
I believe I forgot to comment here back in the day but I've been more of an Xfce/KDE/i3/Cinnamon kind of person. I have given GNOME an honest shot on occasion but I don't usually stick with it for long. Knowing the philosophy behind it does give me a better appreciation of it however. I do also put things on other workspaces in tiling WMs. One thing I don't like about GNOME however is just the RAM usage.
I hated gnome for the longest time I only used KDE. I ended up using gnome for a short time along my twm as a session I can log into, but wish I used gnome more often than I used KDE . Regardless,now that I use a TWM with keybinds for everything I don’t want to go back to anything else. Every time I use a DE now, I instantly miss closing apps with super & q, for example. Out of habit I will press these in a DE 😂
@@flipflopski2951 well, you now those very simplistic WindowMaker, i like , but wheel in terms of Enterprise Gnome is king, KDE sure at home, but really i look for consistency and stable uis, i dont like when somebody innovate to much in that area
You missed one thing. The Drag n Drop is so easy on gnome by dragging any files by holding and moving to top left corner which will open the activities with windows of other application which you want to drag to.
@@xmurisfurderx Are you a Noob Bro, I meant in vanilla GNOME where you don't use any third-party extensions. I just use the clipboard and the legacy GTK3 theme switcher as GNOME extensions. Nowadays, people use Dash to Panel or Dash to Dock extensions, which are unnecessary because you can drag to the hot corner and drop in the windows or use the GNOME default dock in the overview. However, you cannot do this unless you have gestures enabled, which are only available in Wayland. In X11, you have to install a third-party package with an extension to enable it. So, what are you talking about functionality from 1991, noob? Have you been using GNOME at all or not? It's about the philosophy, I mean. Don't teach your father how it's done
I'm thinking to switch to Gnome from KDE, just because how hot corner works. It's quick and snappy, and you can drag and drop windows between desktops very easily. And hot-corner click brings up application dashboard. And I miss it, even after KDE overview update, it's still not the same. Years have passed, which caused me to forget why I switched from Gnome to KDE. Back then, it felt like the best choice ever. Knowing that, I have a strong feeling I'll regret this decision, and it will end up to be a waste of time 😀
I love Gnome, but I hate inconsistency around menus. Some apps have menu in top bar, some have hamburger menu, some have menu on icon, some have menu on deck... Need to sort it somehow.
good video! Gnome is used without minimize buttons and without a start menu, but to be more productive I use two extensions, AutoMove to give each application always the same desktop and Dash to Panel copying the original design of the top panel but with the advantage of having open applications in view and be able to use the mouse wheel to switch applications
I installed Ubuntu on my laptop as my first GNOME experience, and the first thing i did was remove the ubuntu dock, and install the hot edge extension.
The vanilla gnome desktop is nice - installing gnome extensions and tweeks make it better. I like Forge, Arc, and others to make my workflow easier & more productive. After becoming familiar with the GNU/Linux open source environment, you will realize that customization is part of that experience - proprietary operating systems simply do not offer this level of customization on such a scale as Linux.
This might be a Wayland thing, because Wayland doesn't have a portal for saving window positions yet. It's in the works, but even on X11, it's hit or miss.
Meh, the default Gnome sucks. No HiDPI support No FSR support You need to remember so many key combinations to make it work right. Can't select or change fonts or anything without installing tweaks. Only two themes, such as dark theme with blue highlights or light theme with blue highlights. The UI in general is more fitting for a smartphone than a desktop. I mean that's why many distros tweak it because gnome is shit.
I keep coming back to gnome the more I become keyboard centric. I try and have used i3, Sway Awesome but It works , and without mouse. You can use one but dont have to. The shortcuts are extremely easy to create. It is a full desktop you dont have to flesh out like all the window manager styles.
17 minutes of video and never say how to install the "Default" Gnome experience. How you install it in last Fedora distro? Need to compile it from the source? Thanks anyone in advance.
I use Wayland only with XWayland where I need to. I don't use fractional scaling, but history shows genetically once I start getting into my late 40s, my eyesight will get worse and I will need it then. I personally think KDE does it the best.
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Why would you store your windows in 2D space of your desktop, when you can store them in 1D workspace row... You will lose 1 dimension but you wil gain... ? Wait, what will I gain? Dont get me wrong, I am Gnome user, but I do not like this. I guess Apple puts more money in UX research than Gnome and they decided to keep desktop icons, I believe for good reason.
default gnome: not hard for me xfce: yes it's easier kde: yup, it's based on qt and have beautiful themes while remaining easy openbox: session of adding things, with compositors
I'm sic of windows! Especially 11... Also done with Ms office... And Adobe programs... I have a old all in one HP from 2017 I try Ubuntu and my camera and micro didn't work I lose hours trying.. So no meet possible.... Then I use a lot my HP envy 5530 printer also from 2017... No scan o printer work on Ubuntu I was almost give up... By the way I use lots of open-source programs on windows like gimp or Libre office... So I try to move to another distro... Then I see a video in English with a German kid talking about fedora I try it and everithing works... I made a dual boot just in case something didn't work... Until now is everithing working if continue like this with easy installing friendly Gui I think I will finally leave windows for good... One thing I notice is that Firefox crashes on TH-cam videos so I install Chrome witch is what I use in work and home and everithing is 5 star here I still need to lose some time to week this.. I miss the minimize button... Makes me a lot of confusion don't have a minimize window... I install dash to dock so now I have a stable dock on button screen I'm very happy with fedora it does everithing I need... Personal illustration works some times I sell my works to company's... And that's why I also need a windows 11... Until I can do it all in fedora.... Libre office in windows have calibri text here in Linux doesn't have it... Is there any way to have calibri text on Libre office? I have all my documents in calibri 12... If is there a repository or something just let me know... I'm not OK with terminal user.... Last time I try to install something on terminal I crash the entire sistem some yrs ago and I quit Linux... Didn't have time and patient at that time was Ubuntu 14... Ten yrs ago... Linux improve a lot since those times... I miss the minimize window and wable effects.... I also have something installed like a cube instead of side by side screens we have a rotation cube was ossome! I just leave it because it was time consuming... Everithing works on terminal those times... Now thanks God we have Gui install a lot better I must Say... Is there any applications that I can install to minimize windows? Thanks in advance
Start looking into other open-sources alternatives to the applications you are used to. You're on the right track in finding things that replace tasks you were once doing in Windows. There are some tasks that can only be done in Windows and some people can't get out of it: things like playing games with invasive anti-cheat (Apex Legends, Destiny, and Valorant come to mind), business software (Quickbooks, Turbo Tax, etc), but that's on you to figure out.
As someone who had used both Gnome and KDE on Fedora, I like both. Out of the box Gnome is simple to use, same for KDE Plasma especially to people who have a Windows background like I am, but KDE Plasma customization options that came bundled in ultimately beat Gnome, so I chose KDE Plasma for my main work rig instead.
Gnome: Do one thing and do it well. Gnome shell overview: This is where you - search, see workspaces and all windows, access dash, see all applications. The problem with things like "Gnome philosophy" is that they are defined using words that are vague and open to different interpretations and this allow you to justify any decision. You start with the philosophy, do some word play around it and outcomes the justification for a design/feature decision.
The overview is where you switch context. That's just one thing, but there is more than one context. If each context had its own access and UI, that would be awful! In fact, it's what Pop did with their first iteration of Cosmic.
@@shaunpatrick8345 How would having different ui for each context would be problem? If my intention is to search something then a ui that is specifically designed and optimised for search and that is triggered by a specific keyboard shortcut sounds more intuitive to me.
@@ankur-dhama you can set that up for yourself if you want. For example, the overview lets you search for files just by their name, but the Files app has an advanced search feature where you can add file size, date and other criteria. So assign a shortcut to the Files app and remove the app from the overview search. You can do this for every application which hooks into the overview's search feature, and then it will only search for apps. Then you will have super+A to open the apps grid, and you'll have to use individual apps for context-specific searches. The only dual function would be that when you open the overview to see running apps, you have the ability to search for new ones to open. That might be something you can live with.
If you want Italian subtitles, you can have Google translate my subtitles. CC ➜ Subtitles ➜ Auto-translate. I don't know Italian, but I know English, French, and a little bit of Chinese, Japanese, and Spanish.
@@Trafotinoh, no no, thank you. I understand English and I love your videos. It was only a joke how the Italian speakers pronounce the words that contain "gn" (ɲ) like gnome. It is uncommon sound 😂
I tried default GNOME on one of my development machines. All I can say is that juggling virtual spaces is less convenient than in i3 thanks to keybinds and lack of usual desktop functionality makes it worse than usual window manager. So worst of both worlds. PS this reminds me of android window managers that allow maximum of two applications on the same screen and usually applications are on their own virtual screenspace. I never found this convenient in any way, but understood limitations of the platform. Why bring those limitations to desktop?
@@Trafotin I tried using them, s I stated already. The way they're implemented in gnome is inconvenient on desktop and was in my way whole time I was using it.
If your desktop needs a guide, and people to tell you how to use it "vanilla", then your desktop probably isn't as *user friendly* as you like to pretend, is it? :) They're also still wasting their time implementing a SIMPLE DAMN TOGGLE for Variable Refresh Rate, instead of just .. You know, doing it. Proper scaling is also still missing.
I think the issue is that people are inflexible. Figuring out how to use gnome isn’t difficult, people are just used to Windows desktops and refuse to try anything new. It’s also a nice step towards tiling wms.
I keep trying to like Gnome, but it feels like I am using a child's tablet device or something. Everything you interact with is with over-sized from icons to menu switches and overly fat window title bar frames. It feels messy to have to apply plugins, tweaks and add-ons just to get it not to look like an appliance for the visually impaired. To each his own, but it always brings me back to a greater appreciation of KDE. I don't use the default settings, but at least it supports customizing everything without having to install 3p mods.
I've used default Gnome ever since I switched to fedora over a year ago. It took me a little bit to realize that you should feel free to utilize the virtual desktops, and it took me watching videos of people with 10 or 20 virtual desktops open each with one app to finally realize how much of a game changer they are. I used to use fedora like I did windows and I would switch between like 50 apps just from one desktop and use the minimize button, but once I learned to spread them out it got to be so much better and if I'm ever using windows I find myself flicking the top left corner to switch apps and I don't use the minimize button and I only keep it on for aesthetic purposes. Gnome is just superior in work flow compared to windows.
For my work, I need to be able to see at a glance all that is open on each desktop and switch between applications without alt+tab (or any other keyboard input) but with a single click of the mouse. That is the one thing, that default gnome and even most of the extensions cannot provide. Material-shell is the gold standard when it comes to the design, however, I always had problems with bugs in it.
Thank you for your thoughts. I love Gnome, it is so cool after you add the missing functionality with a couple of extensions. I get along mostly fine without extensions. You say that it is good for developing some "pure" workflow. But in the end you find out that it's just limiting. The tray-icons alone are a problem in Gnome that needs to be addressed. The rest is just optimizing workflow and optics for me. I don't need desktop icons. But why is there no button/switch to just allow this functionality? Every other system has them. Since 1985. I won't use them, but others will.
So far I have never needed training to use any desktop environment. But even though I like to try new things, I still have a hard time understanding it. Even after watching the video, I still don't understand why some things are done. I think it sucks.
I think older folks have much more trouble with GNOME than younger people do, especially if they've been indoctrinated into the Windows/Mac workflow. Working with parents with kids, I think GNOME is a better starting point than Windows or Mac because it's closer to what most people expect out of a phone and the harsh truth is most kids use Chromebooks or tablets in school.
gnome is the worst desktop I have ever seen, everything it wants to do it does wrong, it wants to be mac os but this one is much easier, customizable and practical; Basic options like maximizing are missing, they give you incomplete features like knowing if your boot is secure but it doesn't tell you how to fix it. and the development team is not far behind, the team is a group of crybabies who if a distro touches the slightest thing they are going to cry, they say not to customize gnome but the distros and 99% of the people customize gnome so What a bad job it is, that and they are delaying the development of Wayland, which is already bad in itself.
If they didn't want people to customise Gnome they would not have made it extensible and would not host extensions. I've been using Wayland on Gnome for years.
this is funny because i am primarily an Xfce user i have used it since i first started Linux 12 yrs ago on various distros. different systems. i just love it and i have tried different DE s over the years. recently though i gave gnome another shot and i wanted to hate it but after i customized it. themed it out and made it more familiar to what i'm used to. extensions helped that a bunch. it is heavier on resources than Xfce but it's pretty negligable. i like the apps it comes with. it does stay out of my way when i have to bring home work to do. i have an extension that let's me utilize window tiling which i really like.especially when i need to see the files i have open it works. i'm used to having to use Awesome Wm to utilize window tiling. i spent a lot of time configuring and learning LUA to get it the way i wanted it. not necessary with gnome. very GUI heavy but it's a nice change from having to configure everything in Vim. i still love my xfce but i didn't hate gnome like i thought i would. i put it on my wifes dell laptop that has touch screen. i increased the fractional scaling and made it more touch screen friendly. she loves it. she doesn't do anything but change the wallpaper once in a while so she could care less about themeing. she likes using the keyboard shortcuts and doesn't have to use the touchpad as much. all in all i have grown to like it. it's actually functional for someone like me that was set in his Xfce ways.
I am one of those people that, over 3 years ago, found Linux appealing because of the Gnome desktop. It wasn't Windows or Mac, and the novelty appealed to me. I also took to Gnome's tiling-window-manager and keyboard-centric aspects quite quickly, and it eventually made me transition to a proper WM. If one day I were to leave my WM ways and return to a DE, it would definitely be Gnome. There's no other choice for me. It looks slick, modern, uniform... It's just the bloat that keeps me from going back! (Well that and a few other things.) lol
I've tried to use gnome but found it too limiting, they've dumbed it down too much, I'm also not a fan of tiling window managers, once you get more than a few windows open then they start to get too small, I also don't get the benefit of multiple workspaces, moving an app to another workspace is not really any different from minimizing an app to the panel, plus when you minimize an app to the panel then you can easily see how many apps you have open just by looking at the panel, the only reason I can see why gnome has multiple workspaces is because they removed the ability to minimized apps to the panel, they also don't want you to place app shortcuts on the panel for some strange reason, I really can't understand their design decisions.
After watching this, hyperland doesn't make sense, I mean, what's the point of it? Gnome is complete! Note that, I still see plasma as more complete out of the box than gnome. But, for the tiling window, gnome makes more sense.
I've been a Gnome user on Linux since Gnome 2 days and while I like a lot of things about the current Gnome I have mixed feelings about this philosophy of hiding everything: it works for smaller screens sure, but when you have screen real estate of two 40" 4k screens the approach starts to fall apart. I prefer to have as much data visible at once without any disconnected back and forth switches as they disrupt my workflow. This is why I usually tend to work with temporary documents on desktop actively and search the placement later on like on real life with desktop and papers. In Gnome 2 you could just store your icons and change virtual desktop if you had too many windows covering the desktop. Also you could simply launch nautilus from a static location on screen without disrupting anything else on the screen. Working with files in Gnome 3 requires: 1. a full wipe of the current view to bring up the activities 2. either type file manager and press enter or search the icon where ever it current is (might require additional clicks to get the right page of icons) 3. open the location of the files with file manager This turns a 2 second task of clicking an icon in desktop to a 24 second intensive operation requiring concentration.
You can search files without clicking using the search menu I showed, you just type what file you want and it opens. I can't speak from experience since my newest monitor is from 2014, but I've heard scaling on GNOME isn't as good as KDE. I've also noticed on Nvidia at least, GNOME gets variable refresh rate, but KDE does not and is locked to your lowest refresh rate. On Intel and AMD, variable refresh rate works everywhere on Wayland.
@@Trafotin KDE has general VRR and per monitor VRR (and in general per monitor refresh rate for quite a long time), including for NVidia well, on Wayland at least; if we talk X11, you are right, but the same goes for Gnome there
Hey back off! I just recently warmed up to the idea of liking gnome over KDE. And it’s thanks to extensions. I use hyprland most of the time I only fall back to gnome when I run vms
Just switched to GNOME thanks to this video. I'm trying to keep it as stock as possible with almost no extensions with almost every extension I use being cosmetic changes.
I have Gnome on my laptop, so when reinstalling my desktop to Linux, I wanted to give KDE a try. I am definitely switching away from it at some point. Either to Gnome or maybe Sway, but I am quite sure I'm ready for a tiling WM.
When I work at my desk, I organize my pens and supplies in cases and drawers, and I store my documents in folders as well. I don’t leave everything scattered on the desk, nor do I switch desks when I need to perform a different task. The Gnome approach is terribly counterintuitive and the reason why Linux has fallen so far behind other operating systems in adoption. Stubbornness is not a virtue.
I want to thank you, I'm new to using Gnome Linux, you have explained a lot which helps me understand Linux. Being a mac and windows user for so many years I have been used to one way of completing task. I'm one of those people who you would consider as an old dog who its hard to teach new tricks. Thank you
I will assume you meant GNOME on Linux, not GNOME OS. If you are daily driving GNOME OS, please don't. It is meant for beta testing and not for daily usage.
I couldn't agree more on the whole "different is better" aspect about GNOME. For years I had been trying to get into Linux via Mint or Ubuntu, but it felt limiting because I kept trying to do things the Windows way. Going Fedora + Vanilla GNOME forced me out of my Windows habits and to learn how to use Linux properly, now it's my OS of choice and I'm far more productive than I ever was on Windows. It hurts to go back to Windows because of how often it wants to get in the way of what I'm doing, and who knows what the heck MacOS is even doing.
Exactly how my journey went, switched to Zorin, mint, and a few others before trying fedora falling in love with default gnome.
It's not "different is better", it's "this different is better than that different"
I wholeheartedly agree, it was Gnome that got me out of my comfort zone and into linux, because I did not want a windows (or Mac) lookalike. I always dual boot Windows and distro hop for the other Gnome-Linux variant. Come to think of it Gnome does bear some similarity to Mac OS though.
@@jethrot100I think the similarity to macOS is superficial, at least in the latest version of GNOME. Being able to access Search, Workspaces, and the ‘Dock’, from a tap of the Windows/Super key is very powerful and efficient. These are all 3 separate things with their own ways of accessing them on macOS, and going back to my MacBook after using GNOME on Fedora feels clunky.
Once you get used to the Gnome workflow, going back to any other DE feels like walking on crutches and constantly tripping over them.
Until you start using dynamic tiling managers, like hyprland. The switch was a huge improvement for me.
@@gryg666 While I enjoy using forge in Gnome and I think it's a perfect complement for the workflow, I'm not sure if I would be able to go all-in on a tiling manager. Maybe I'll give it a try sometime.
@@gryg666 manual are better
@@sachinchaudhary1310 wrong
No. Manual is only if you want your desktop to look fancy. Dynamic is the way you make it efficient.
The part about being different from Windows and MacOS couldn't be more true. Every time I see a youtuber recommending a certain distro or a certain DE because it "feels like home" to certain groups of Windows users, I always think that's a bad idea. This will just make them "come back home" after all.
I want to like vanilla Gnome, but I have an extension to display a different background image every few hours. It's pointing at a folder of dark-theme-friendly monochrome anime girl images, which is pretty pretty essential for a desktop computer IMO.
"dark-theme-friendly monochrome anime girl images", If they are safe for work, please share with the world
@@falajose3080 It's a mix, depending on your workplace. On my work PC, I have everything as default/vanilla as possible.
I'm pretty sure I got them all from wallpaperflare, but it looks like they're having an SSL cert issue right now. They have a bunch of images with a black background and mostly monochrome girl, maybe with some light accent coloring, on the right 1/3rd of the screen.
There might be a gsetting thing to change your wallpaper and you could have a user chronjob or systemd job run that command. Not to familiar with gsettings though.
@@Trafotin Dang, wallpaper flare is still down and my earlier linkless reply to jose got nuked.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to do it with a job like that, but the extension has been great, so I can't complain.
Have you checked out damask
I believe you can also double click the top bar of a window to maximize it as well. I'm not sure if it's a part of an extension but you can de-maximize it back to it's previous window through the topbar by click and drag.
Nope thats totally a default action you can do in gnome, no extension necessary.
I'm a GNOME user because it's been a breath of fresh air for using my computer. It's very unique. It really changed how I operate my computer and it's very sleek. I keep GNOME as default as possible, with only a couple of extensions.
GNOME is great and I love the workflow, style and polish that they went for. People hate it so much not because it's genuinely bad, but because it's not Windows/macOS. It's like adding chocolate to a meat dish, getting diarrhea and then complaining that chocolate sucks, while people that eat chocolate for dessert laugh at you.
I feel like it’s because it’s too simplistic by design. It works good if you have say you to 5 windows on up to like max 5 workspaces. Doesn’t really scale beyond that. On Windows I can have few hundred and not even notice it and I think it’s a good thing. So people still end up installing something like Dash to Panel or even at least Dash to Dock to switch between windows and even know more-less which ones they have opened. And I’m not sure if most people ever use workspaces…
@@p0358 If you use it in a too simplistic way, it's going to feel like a too simplistic design, which it isn't
@@p0358 does windows have virtual desktops? i found that on windows i needed 2-3 monitors for multitasking
@@p0358 Why wouldn't it scale beyond 5 workspaces? Also, if you have hundreds of workspaces/windows open, you should reconsider what you're trying to achieve with your computer
Out of the box, it lacks basic functionality that you expect out of a DE in 2024. It’s too bare bones to my liking. I actually like the work flow.
I'm a KDE "fan", but I want to try get GNOME an honest try for at least a month. Especially since I have friends and family that could potentially click with GNOME, I want to be able to help them navigate. There are some behaviors that I will prefer from KDE that could be solved through extensions, but I'd prefer to stick as close to vanilla GNOME as much as possible in the name of stability.
Great video!
While I do use some extensions, I love so many features in GNOME compared to any other desktop environment.
I love the gnome workflow, but I find the lack of variable refresh rate and proper fractional scaling support to be a dealbreaker, so I am 'stuck' with KDE
i had no issues with fractional scaling on gnome i clicked a box and it let me set it from 100 to 125. i'm using it on LM.
VRR is the one reason why I will suffer with KDE for the foreseeable future
@@narwhal4304 it works on gnome now if you enable the experimental flag
@@bobbyfried7478 GTK applications don't support fractional scaling, so in the backend Gnome let's them draw on e.g. 5 times the size and then downscales them to a quarter of that (so you and up at 1,25 the original size). This can be a BIG performance problem on a lot of systems (and on mobile devices like a notebook a waste of energy in all cases).
Luckily, you can replicate the GNOME experience in KDE.
I agree that different is better. I just gave Gnome another chance and while I definitely feel it's improved since the last time I used it. But I'm still having issues with it. So I'm back to my Mate/i3 combo on X11 and then Hyprland on Wayland. (There are certain things I still need X11 for)
I'm paying attention to the development of the new Cosmic desktop, too. I definitely want to give that a try when it comes out.
Been using gnome since moved out from windows, first time try gnome on Ubuntu , feels weird at the first time ... but after using it for a quite some time, i do feel more comfortable using gnome rather than other's DE.. at this moment no matter what distro i'll use , I will use gnome for sure.. except for kali linux which is it's really look good with xfce ..
it's just a theme on kali and it's simple enough to make any Xfce look like Kali's. Xfce has the same plugins and such on any distro that uses it or has it in their respective repos.
I actually gave Gnome a try and went back to KDE only for me to be missing how easy it was for me to open apps and not have to remember which Desktop a particular app is. I finally made the switch and I'm much happier. 🥰 The extension that shows the name of the app you're currently using, what is it called? I need that to complete my switch. Thanks for an amazing video.
Use it, recommend it and can't get enough
I've been a Windows user for years, but I've also been a die-hard KDE fan since I first tried Linux back in 2006. As the years go on though, I've noticed that more and more of the larger distros are shipping GNOME by default. So, I've went back and forth with Plasma and GNOME. And to be honest, I'm getting to a point where I enjoy GNOME's simplicity more than I do the mountain of menus that is Plasma. I used to like tinkering with my OS, my desktop and all that. But nowadays, I just want to get things done. So, whenever I go back to Linux, I'll be using GNOME. There is also something to be said for Plasma's history of bugs and random glitches. Especially when using a rolling distro. And the more I think about it, the more I agree with Trafotin. Maybe GNOME is the better experience to introduce new users to LInux. It looks good (compared to older DE's like XFCE), tends to be more stable than Plasma, and once you learn how to navigate the launcher, GNOME is dead simple to use.
This was a great video! Although Ubuntu does some work to customize Gnome to include stuff like the Minimize button, I was intrigued to listen how people make use of the "traditional" (unmodified) Gnome desktop with the lack of a minimize button that many people rely so heavily on. I've never used virtual desktops that much myself but Gnome really seems like it's built in a way that promotes using them. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's totally a different mindset, coming from someone who has access to multiple virtual desktops on Windows and macOS but never touches them.
Personally I like the look and feel of a nicely configured kde desktop and a lot of my friends do as well though the workflow in gnome makes me want to use vanilla gnome. In kde I can't stand a lot of the default settings. The first thing I do is do away with the windows style task bar and replace it with a small bar at the top and unpin all the icons. I also rebind the keys for using virtual desktops because the defaults flat out hurt my hands. Some other things I do is change the application dashboard to the fullscreen version and add the macos style global menu to the thin bar I have at the top. When helping someone decide KDE or gnome it really depends on there needs. From what I have seen with people switching to linux what desktop environment they will like more has nothing to do with if there are a power user or not. What really makes the different is how much someone will compare linux to windows. I have a friend that is a gamer that likes kde a lot. They configured it to feel like windows but with all the things they didn't like about windows changed but they didn't like the mint desktop. I have also known people who liked gnome most likely because it is just flat out better then the windows or macos desktop out of box.
I used gnome. The workflow is nice, but it needs too many extensions to have the functionality that I expect out of the box from a DE. I switched to KDE6 and it’s been amazing. A few things could be better but atleast I don’t have to hunt for extensions for some basic functionality. Gnome developers have a really good product, but for some reason, they are hell bent on making it worse🤦♂️
You raise a good point: if you want a Windows or a Mac look - just use the ORIGINAL!
Why be satisfied with - IMITATIONS!?
@@jakobw135 I dunno, I vastly prefer both kde and cinnamon to Windows. They both do that model much better than windows does.
IMO:
Default GNOME on a laptop with a touchpad - one of the best experiences.
On a PC with a mouse - ... needs some major tweaks to get usable.
I love the default gnome experience, but I actually use dash to dock (ubuntu). Having a dock for quick mouse access to my most used apps is good, and I don't feel like it takes away from the gnome experience.
I use Dash to Dock too, but just to have a panel on a second monitor, so I can pretend I look at the time when I watch a TV show or something. Probably wouldn't be using otherwise, but I admit that it's far from the default usecase.
I thought having an "experience" was what Gnome was dead set against?.. Desktop icons are the fastest way to open a program and gnome is a non starter for me because of that.
As a former Gnome hater, I too have seen the light. Plus Gnome + Wayland just works so much better than KDE + Wayland for me, and it feels more polished and seamless in general.
I don't think GNOME is bad or anything, but I like KDE better. Part of that is just because I'm used to it, but also I prefer the KDE-centric suite of software and other Qt applications so it just seems like a natural choice to use KDE itself.
Only thing gnome misses is hot edge (instead of the unwieldy hot corner) and an actually working (not just flatpaks) background apps feature
I’m new to Linux. Gnome looks like it has a bigger learning curve than DEs
But it also looks like if I put the work into learning Gnome, it’ll be way more efficient, in the end
Hey there, thanks for the video
Pop_OS! user here (half a year), had Debian+XFCE before. A lot of my frustrations with Pop (and hopes for Cosmic) had to do with their custom GNOME version, caused a lot of frustration, and since I couldn't "fix" the functionality to be more "feature-complete" (as I understood those things) I just waited for a new, better DE from scratch. I thought this was the issue of GNOME, not Pop_OS! GNOME (since naturally if they had to customize it that meant that vanilla was even less complete, right?.. Right???)
But after your video I saw how GNOME is actually *supposed* to look and function, and I am sold, will try to find a way to use it sometime later on a new install. Thanks!
Just finished watching.
Put another way, Minimize fixes the symptom - but not the problem - of lackluster window management.
Gnome fixes this problem with dynamic virtual workspaces. Windows and Mac band-aided it.
Thanks for explaining. I was very resistant to the way GNOME did things but with an explanation it makes sense and makes it easier to adjust and accept. Hell, some of the changes are really good ideas.
the only thing I change on vanilla gnome are keyboard shortcuts and a wallpaper changer. Other than that I really enjoy the gnome ux.
"windows gets in the way" also "wanting desktop icons is morally wrong"
If you use your computer, the windows will be in the way of the icons! Gnome puts icons in a layer on top of your windows, instead of making you clear your desk to reach what you need.
@@shaunpatrick8345 right, I must find icons on my desktop useful cause I never use my computer
Great video Gnome has always taken care of my needs
I believe I forgot to comment here back in the day but I've been more of an Xfce/KDE/i3/Cinnamon kind of person. I have given GNOME an honest shot on occasion but I don't usually stick with it for long. Knowing the philosophy behind it does give me a better appreciation of it however. I do also put things on other workspaces in tiling WMs. One thing I don't like about GNOME however is just the RAM usage.
You want high RAM usage. That means your system is caching it and it is properly being used.
I hated gnome for the longest time I only used KDE. I ended up using gnome for a short time along my twm as a session I can log into, but wish I used gnome more often than I used KDE . Regardless,now that I use a TWM with keybinds for everything I don’t want to go back to anything else. Every time I use a DE now, I instantly miss closing apps with super & q, for example. Out of habit I will press these in a DE 😂
Thanks. This is the most informative video on gnome I've seen so far. Please keep the series going! I've subscribed to not miss the next part.
thank you for so normally talking about accessibility
But why no desktop icons on desktop allowed in Gnome ? I dont get it
because they are on the overview like he said. Idk about you but not even on windows or kde i used desktop icons at all
@@tostadorafuriosa69 ok, i too use terminal more and more ;)
I don't get it either that's why I don't use gnome.
@@flipflopski2951 well, you now those very simplistic WindowMaker, i like , but wheel in terms of Enterprise Gnome is king, KDE sure at home, but really i look for consistency and stable uis, i dont like when somebody innovate to much in that area
I don't need them. Even in Windows the only desktop icon I have is the Recycle Bin.
You missed one thing. The Drag n Drop is so easy on gnome by dragging any files by holding and moving to top left corner which will open the activities with windows of other application which you want to drag to.
Congratulations, you've just discovered basic functionality from 1991
@@xmurisfurderx Are you a Noob Bro, I meant in vanilla GNOME where you don't use any third-party extensions. I just use the clipboard and the legacy GTK3 theme switcher as GNOME extensions. Nowadays, people use Dash to Panel or Dash to Dock extensions, which are unnecessary because you can drag to the hot corner and drop in the windows or use the GNOME default dock in the overview. However, you cannot do this unless you have gestures enabled, which are only available in Wayland. In X11, you have to install a third-party package with an extension to enable it. So, what are you talking about functionality from 1991, noob? Have you been using GNOME at all or not? It's about the philosophy, I mean. Don't teach your father how it's done
I'm thinking to switch to Gnome from KDE, just because how hot corner works. It's quick and snappy, and you can drag and drop windows between desktops very easily. And hot-corner click brings up application dashboard. And I miss it, even after KDE overview update, it's still not the same. Years have passed, which caused me to forget why I switched from Gnome to KDE. Back then, it felt like the best choice ever. Knowing that, I have a strong feeling I'll regret this decision, and it will end up to be a waste of time 😀
I prefer XFCE. It is simple, fast and effective
I will still use KDE Plasma With OpenSuse Tumbleweed And MX Linux Plus XFCE LXQT Mate Unity With Ubuntu and Cimamon With Mint
I love Gnome, but I hate inconsistency around menus. Some apps have menu in top bar, some have hamburger menu, some have menu on icon, some have menu on deck... Need to sort it somehow.
good video! Gnome is used without minimize buttons and without a start menu, but to be more productive I use two extensions, AutoMove to give each application always the same desktop and Dash to Panel copying the original design of the top panel but with the advantage of having open applications in view and be able to use the mouse wheel to switch applications
I installed Ubuntu on my laptop as my first GNOME experience, and the first thing i did was remove the ubuntu dock, and install the hot edge extension.
The vanilla gnome desktop is nice - installing gnome extensions and tweeks make it better. I like Forge, Arc, and others to make my workflow easier & more productive.
After becoming familiar with the GNU/Linux open source environment, you will realize that customization is part of that experience - proprietary operating systems simply do not offer this level of customization on such a scale as Linux.
Gnome is the DE that almost cover all my necessities, but i miss save the position of the windows, and it would be nice to have a window title smaller
This might be a Wayland thing, because Wayland doesn't have a portal for saving window positions yet. It's in the works, but even on X11, it's hit or miss.
great overview; and your emphasis on its own unique workflow is refreshing. thanks -
Meh, the default Gnome sucks.
No HiDPI support
No FSR support
You need to remember so many key combinations to make it work right.
Can't select or change fonts or anything without installing tweaks.
Only two themes, such as dark theme with blue highlights or light theme with blue highlights.
The UI in general is more fitting for a smartphone than a desktop.
I mean that's why many distros tweak it because gnome is shit.
Then use something else.
I hated gnome for years- but since KDE screwed up my tiling-- I'm switching-a nd starting to like it-- thanks to YOUR videos.. great job.
I keep coming back to gnome the more I become keyboard centric.
I try and have used i3, Sway Awesome but
It works , and without mouse. You can use one but dont have to.
The shortcuts are extremely easy to create.
It is a full desktop you dont have to flesh out like all the window manager styles.
I personally stated using gnome because I think that it's beautifull and different
When I used KDE I changed so much and in the end I had something that was so similar to gnome that it made no sense
17 minutes of video and never say how to install the "Default" Gnome experience. How you install it in last Fedora distro? Need to compile it from the source? Thanks anyone in advance.
Either use Workstation or install it yourself with dnf.
totally agree!
are you on wayland or x11? and do you use fractional scaling?
I use Wayland only with XWayland where I need to. I don't use fractional scaling, but history shows genetically once I start getting into my late 40s, my eyesight will get worse and I will need it then. I personally think KDE does it the best.
Why would you store your windows in 2D space of your desktop, when you can store them in 1D workspace row... You will lose 1 dimension but you wil gain... ? Wait, what will I gain? Dont get me wrong, I am Gnome user, but I do not like this. I guess Apple puts more money in UX research than Gnome and they decided to keep desktop icons, I believe for good reason.
What Tiling app/extension are you using?
Forge from GNOME Extensions. It's a hold out until they support their planned window tiling.
You can actually use the Desktop directory as a Desktop.
default gnome: not hard for me
xfce: yes it's easier
kde: yup, it's based on qt and have beautiful themes while remaining easy
openbox: session of adding things, with compositors
Yep! You get it :D
I'm sic of windows! Especially 11... Also done with Ms office... And Adobe programs... I have a old all in one HP from 2017 I try Ubuntu and my camera and micro didn't work I lose hours trying.. So no meet possible.... Then I use a lot my HP envy 5530 printer also from 2017... No scan o printer work on Ubuntu I was almost give up... By the way I use lots of open-source programs on windows like gimp or Libre office... So I try to move to another distro... Then I see a video in English with a German kid talking about fedora I try it and everithing works... I made a dual boot just in case something didn't work... Until now is everithing working if continue like this with easy installing friendly Gui I think I will finally leave windows for good... One thing I notice is that Firefox crashes on TH-cam videos so I install Chrome witch is what I use in work and home and everithing is 5 star here I still need to lose some time to week this.. I miss the minimize button... Makes me a lot of confusion don't have a minimize window... I install dash to dock so now I have a stable dock on button screen I'm very happy with fedora it does everithing I need... Personal illustration works some times I sell my works to company's... And that's why I also need a windows 11... Until I can do it all in fedora.... Libre office in windows have calibri text here in Linux doesn't have it... Is there any way to have calibri text on Libre office? I have all my documents in calibri 12... If is there a repository or something just let me know... I'm not OK with terminal user.... Last time I try to install something on terminal I crash the entire sistem some yrs ago and I quit Linux... Didn't have time and patient at that time was Ubuntu 14... Ten yrs ago... Linux improve a lot since those times... I miss the minimize window and wable effects.... I also have something installed like a cube instead of side by side screens we have a rotation cube was ossome! I just leave it because it was time consuming... Everithing works on terminal those times... Now thanks God we have Gui install a lot better I must Say... Is there any applications that I can install to minimize windows? Thanks in advance
Start looking into other open-sources alternatives to the applications you are used to. You're on the right track in finding things that replace tasks you were once doing in Windows. There are some tasks that can only be done in Windows and some people can't get out of it: things like playing games with invasive anti-cheat (Apex Legends, Destiny, and Valorant come to mind), business software (Quickbooks, Turbo Tax, etc), but that's on you to figure out.
As someone who had used both Gnome and KDE on Fedora, I like both. Out of the box Gnome is simple to use, same for KDE Plasma especially to people who have a Windows background like I am, but KDE Plasma customization options that came bundled in ultimately beat Gnome, so I chose KDE Plasma for my main work rig instead.
Sold! guhnome is king!
>I use default gnome
>actually uses gnome with a tiling extension
What did he mean by this?
The default workflow. I may use extensions, but I still adhere to the "standard" GNOME workflow. It's explained in the video.
Gnome: Do one thing and do it well. Gnome shell overview: This is where you - search, see workspaces and all windows, access dash, see all applications. The problem with things like "Gnome philosophy" is that they are defined using words that are vague and open to different interpretations and this allow you to justify any decision. You start with the philosophy, do some word play around it and outcomes the justification for a design/feature decision.
The overview is where you switch context. That's just one thing, but there is more than one context. If each context had its own access and UI, that would be awful! In fact, it's what Pop did with their first iteration of Cosmic.
@@shaunpatrick8345 How would having different ui for each context would be problem? If my intention is to search something then a ui that is specifically designed and optimised for search and that is triggered by a specific keyboard shortcut sounds more intuitive to me.
@@ankur-dhama you can set that up for yourself if you want. For example, the overview lets you search for files just by their name, but the Files app has an advanced search feature where you can add file size, date and other criteria. So assign a shortcut to the Files app and remove the app from the overview search. You can do this for every application which hooks into the overview's search feature, and then it will only search for apps.
Then you will have super+A to open the apps grid, and you'll have to use individual apps for context-specific searches. The only dual function would be that when you open the overview to see running apps, you have the ability to search for new ones to open. That might be something you can live with.
This was a great video.
The italian speaker:
If you want Italian subtitles, you can have Google translate my subtitles. CC ➜ Subtitles ➜ Auto-translate. I don't know Italian, but I know English, French, and a little bit of Chinese, Japanese, and Spanish.
@@Trafotinoh, no no, thank you. I understand English and I love your videos.
It was only a joke how the Italian speakers pronounce the words that contain "gn" (ɲ) like gnome. It is uncommon sound 😂
I tried default GNOME on one of my development machines. All I can say is that juggling virtual spaces is less convenient than in i3 thanks to keybinds and lack of usual desktop functionality makes it worse than usual window manager. So worst of both worlds.
PS this reminds me of android window managers that allow maximum of two applications on the same screen and usually applications are on their own virtual screenspace. I never found this convenient in any way, but understood limitations of the platform. Why bring those limitations to desktop?
The intent is to use dynamic workspaces. It's not a limitation, it's just done differently.
@@Trafotin I tried using them, s I stated already. The way they're implemented in gnome is inconvenient on desktop and was in my way whole time I was using it.
@@LedoCool1 Try the tactile extension, might solve your tiling issue.
@@NeroPawn add hacks. Got it.
no
If your desktop needs a guide, and people to tell you how to use it "vanilla", then your desktop probably isn't as *user friendly* as you like to pretend, is it? :)
They're also still wasting their time implementing a SIMPLE DAMN TOGGLE for Variable Refresh Rate, instead of just .. You know, doing it.
Proper scaling is also still missing.
I think the issue is that people are inflexible. Figuring out how to use gnome isn’t difficult, people are just used to Windows desktops and refuse to try anything new. It’s also a nice step towards tiling wms.
I keep trying to like Gnome, but it feels like I am using a child's tablet device or something. Everything you interact with is with over-sized from icons to menu switches and overly fat window title bar frames. It feels messy to have to apply plugins, tweaks and add-ons just to get it not to look like an appliance for the visually impaired. To each his own, but it always brings me back to a greater appreciation of KDE. I don't use the default settings, but at least it supports customizing everything without having to install 3p mods.
I've used default Gnome ever since I switched to fedora over a year ago. It took me a little bit to realize that you should feel free to utilize the virtual desktops, and it took me watching videos of people with 10 or 20 virtual desktops open each with one app to finally realize how much of a game changer they are. I used to use fedora like I did windows and I would switch between like 50 apps just from one desktop and use the minimize button, but once I learned to spread them out it got to be so much better and if I'm ever using windows I find myself flicking the top left corner to switch apps and I don't use the minimize button and I only keep it on for aesthetic purposes. Gnome is just superior in work flow compared to windows.
The best way to use Gnome is remove it and install KDE or a KDE spin
if you don't like it, don't use it.
@@Trafotin never said i used it.
@@kilobitz8639 based
For my work, I need to be able to see at a glance all that is open on each desktop and switch between applications without alt+tab (or any other keyboard input) but with a single click of the mouse. That is the one thing, that default gnome and even most of the extensions cannot provide. Material-shell is the gold standard when it comes to the design, however, I always had problems with bugs in it.
Thank you for your thoughts.
I love Gnome, it is so cool after you add the missing functionality with a couple of extensions.
I get along mostly fine without extensions. You say that it is good for developing some "pure" workflow. But in the end you find out that it's just limiting. The tray-icons alone are a problem in Gnome that needs to be addressed. The rest is just optimizing workflow and optics for me.
I don't need desktop icons. But why is there no button/switch to just allow this functionality? Every other system has them. Since 1985. I won't use them, but others will.
You sound like an dubbed anime character
Would you prefer the subs?
@@Trafotin No!!! And, I meant it as a compliment, you sound like a professional voice actor.
So far I have never needed training to use any desktop environment. But even though I like to try new things, I still have a hard time understanding it. Even after watching the video, I still don't understand why some things are done. I think it sucks.
I think older folks have much more trouble with GNOME than younger people do, especially if they've been indoctrinated into the Windows/Mac workflow. Working with parents with kids, I think GNOME is a better starting point than Windows or Mac because it's closer to what most people expect out of a phone and the harsh truth is most kids use Chromebooks or tablets in school.
I refuse to be enslaved by redhat's neckbeard lackeys
I am funded by big Red Hat bucks after all...
gnome is cool, but i3 is better
I don't use Gnome because it's incredibly slow. Cinnamon is my desktop of choice.
I can't use it without dash to panel. I can't do the thin top bar.
I have a life, so I quit using Gnome.
People that like Gnome are the kind of people that don't like pineapple on pizza.
The only correct way of using Gnome is to not use Gnome... xD
gnome is the worst desktop I have ever seen, everything it wants to do it does wrong, it wants to be mac os but this one is much easier, customizable and practical; Basic options like maximizing are missing, they give you incomplete features like knowing if your boot is secure but it doesn't tell you how to fix it. and the development team is not far behind, the team is a group of crybabies who if a distro touches the slightest thing they are going to cry, they say not to customize gnome but the distros and 99% of the people customize gnome so What a bad job it is, that and they are delaying the development of Wayland, which is already bad in itself.
If they didn't want people to customise Gnome they would not have made it extensible and would not host extensions. I've been using Wayland on Gnome for years.
Have a great Xmas and a happy '24!
Gnome became so user friendly, I started using XFCE.
you like non user friendly things?
@@raidev_ He's pointing out that Gnome probably isn't user friendly, if people can't figure out how to use it.
this is funny because i am primarily an Xfce user i have used it since i first started Linux 12 yrs ago on various distros. different systems. i just love it and i have tried different DE s over the years. recently though i gave gnome another shot and i wanted to hate it but after i customized it. themed it out and made it more familiar to what i'm used to. extensions helped that a bunch. it is heavier on resources than Xfce but it's pretty negligable. i like the apps it comes with. it does stay out of my way when i have to bring home work to do. i have an extension that let's me utilize window tiling which i really like.especially when i need to see the files i have open it works. i'm used to having to use Awesome Wm to utilize window tiling. i spent a lot of time configuring and learning LUA to get it the way i wanted it. not necessary with gnome. very GUI heavy but it's a nice change from having to configure everything in Vim. i still love my xfce but i didn't hate gnome like i thought i would. i put it on my wifes dell laptop that has touch screen. i increased the fractional scaling and made it more touch screen friendly. she loves it. she doesn't do anything but change the wallpaper once in a while so she could care less about themeing. she likes using the keyboard shortcuts and doesn't have to use the touchpad as much. all in all i have grown to like it. it's actually functional for someone like me that was set in his Xfce ways.
@@WolfRitesgnome became consistently worse with each release cycle
@@xmurisfurderx How did it become worse?
I am one of those people that, over 3 years ago, found Linux appealing because of the Gnome desktop. It wasn't Windows or Mac, and the novelty appealed to me. I also took to Gnome's tiling-window-manager and keyboard-centric aspects quite quickly, and it eventually made me transition to a proper WM. If one day I were to leave my WM ways and return to a DE, it would definitely be Gnome. There's no other choice for me. It looks slick, modern, uniform... It's just the bloat that keeps me from going back! (Well that and a few other things.) lol
What bloat?
I don't like "Gnome workflow". It's just not for me. I like to see everything at once - one panel to rule them all. And that's it.
Ok, how do you even use a DE that doesnt have a system tray icons for background apps (unless you install an extension)?
You don't, you switch to a more sensible window manager
What does the system tray do for you?
I have never used tray icons in my life. They don't have any real functionality
@@yeezet4592 have you ever used Discord, Telegram, Bitwarden, Slack or other apps that keep working in a background all the time?
This is a good video with a nice premise. Good job.
I've tried to use gnome but found it too limiting, they've dumbed it down too much, I'm also not a fan of tiling window managers, once you get more than a few windows open then they start to get too small, I also don't get the benefit of multiple workspaces, moving an app to another workspace is not really any different from minimizing an app to the panel, plus when you minimize an app to the panel then you can easily see how many apps you have open just by looking at the panel, the only reason I can see why gnome has multiple workspaces is because they removed the ability to minimized apps to the panel, they also don't want you to place app shortcuts on the panel for some strange reason, I really can't understand their design decisions.
After watching this, hyperland doesn't make sense, I mean, what's the point of it? Gnome is complete!
Note that, I still see plasma as more complete out of the box than gnome. But, for the tiling window, gnome makes more sense.
What's that tiling button on Gnome's control center @7:01 ??? I don´t have that
Forge from the GNOME Extensions website.
I've been a Gnome user on Linux since Gnome 2 days and while I like a lot of things about the current Gnome I have mixed feelings about this philosophy of hiding everything: it works for smaller screens sure, but when you have screen real estate of two 40" 4k screens the approach starts to fall apart.
I prefer to have as much data visible at once without any disconnected back and forth switches as they disrupt my workflow. This is why I usually tend to work with temporary documents on desktop actively and search the placement later on like on real life with desktop and papers.
In Gnome 2 you could just store your icons and change virtual desktop if you had too many windows covering the desktop. Also you could simply launch nautilus from a static location on screen without disrupting anything else on the screen.
Working with files in Gnome 3 requires:
1. a full wipe of the current view to bring up the activities
2. either type file manager and press enter or search the icon where ever it current is (might require additional clicks to get the right page of icons)
3. open the location of the files with file manager
This turns a 2 second task of clicking an icon in desktop to a 24 second intensive operation requiring concentration.
You can search files without clicking using the search menu I showed, you just type what file you want and it opens. I can't speak from experience since my newest monitor is from 2014, but I've heard scaling on GNOME isn't as good as KDE. I've also noticed on Nvidia at least, GNOME gets variable refresh rate, but KDE does not and is locked to your lowest refresh rate. On Intel and AMD, variable refresh rate works everywhere on Wayland.
Just use MATE.
@@Trafotin KDE has general VRR and per monitor VRR (and in general per monitor refresh rate for quite a long time), including for NVidia
well, on Wayland at least; if we talk X11, you are right, but the same goes for Gnome there
Hey back off! I just recently warmed up to the idea of liking gnome over KDE. And it’s thanks to extensions. I use hyprland most of the time I only fall back to gnome when I run vms
Just switched to GNOME thanks to this video. I'm trying to keep it as stock as possible with almost no extensions with almost every extension I use being cosmetic changes.
Nothing wrong with extensions, but congrats on the move.
my thing is that default gnome supports extensions :)
I have Gnome on my laptop, so when reinstalling my desktop to Linux, I wanted to give KDE a try. I am definitely switching away from it at some point. Either to Gnome or maybe Sway, but I am quite sure I'm ready for a tiling WM.
As long as you find what works for you.
When I work at my desk, I organize my pens and supplies in cases and drawers, and I store my documents in folders as well. I don’t leave everything scattered on the desk, nor do I switch desks when I need to perform a different task. The Gnome approach is terribly counterintuitive and the reason why Linux has fallen so far behind other operating systems in adoption. Stubbornness is not a virtue.
That's not the real reason adoption for Linux is failing and you know it. GNOME is the standard for enterprise desktops.
I want to thank you, I'm new to using Gnome Linux, you have explained a lot which helps me understand Linux. Being a mac and windows user for so many years I have been used to one way of completing task. I'm one of those people who you would consider as an old dog who its hard to teach new tricks. Thank you
I will assume you meant GNOME on Linux, not GNOME OS. If you are daily driving GNOME OS, please don't. It is meant for beta testing and not for daily usage.