Create A Town Map With Wonderdraft

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  • @IanBoyte
    @IanBoyte ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I can recognize a Watabou generated map from a mile away. Brilliant bit of software.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I really like the look of block city maps and the ideas they engender. And it's free!

  • @War-Jac
    @War-Jac ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've been using WonderDradt for just a few months now and hadn't considered using a generator town as a brush, that's brilliant!

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm glad you found this useful! And the cool thing is you can build a host of watobou created towns as symbols for future maps.

  • @jackmeowmeowmeow2177
    @jackmeowmeowmeow2177 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    as a writer who does a ton of world building, map making, and lore writing, these tools combined with Fantasia Archive (Free, no subscription, offline locally stored worldbuilding tool like campfire/worldanvil) have made writing even more of a fun activity to spend time on. this video really has been helpful in showing how to make better city maps.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you liked it. And I have looked at Fantasia Archive: I like the fact that it's free!

  • @helixxharpell
    @helixxharpell 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just started doing my Khorun continent on Wonderdraft from the sketch that actually made it from 1980!
    Struggling with WD but so far it's coming together.
    Glad and happy as a Lark you're doing this! 😊 Thanks much

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad I could help!

  • @timothylamont845
    @timothylamont845 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy crap, this is wonderful! Not only the process, but the underlying message --> "DMs dont have to spend hours diving into every detail of every settlement, especially the larger ones." I used to find myself getting caught up in the creation process every time. Hours later I would remember that the players dont care about 99% what I just did. They want to know Is there a Blacksmith? Where can I sell this gem? Can I buy a potion? And this approach serves all of that fantastically well!
    Thank you again for laying out the tools!

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it helps. And you are exactly correct: players don't care as much as GM's do. We think they'll sit and marvel at our map for awhile before playing, but they just look at it in terms of how it can help them at the table. Which is fine. If you have a player who has been a GM they might give you kudos for your map, knowing how much time it takes, but it's still not the same as your own attitude towards the work. That's why you have to love doing it!

  • @MoonhareStudio
    @MoonhareStudio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was just what I was looking for! Running an original rules ADnD 1e VTT campaign system in Foundry, we do use a lot of battlemaps. But as old school players from the Gygax era we love "theatre of the mind" (what we used to simply call role playing). I really don't have the time, or need to Dungeondraft a whole city map, even with Baileywiki assets. But I'd never heard of Watabou and as I already use Wonderdraft for region maps, this has helped no end. Thanks mate! A brilliant step by step guide for my upcoming campaign. 🤘😎⚔

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad I could help you out! This level of f detail has been perfect in my own campaign.

    • @SilntObsvr
      @SilntObsvr 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've settled on Dungeonscrawl for most of my battle map scale drawings, Watabou for towns and cities (but not his village generator, not enough controls for tweaking the output), and now Wonderdraft for areas larger than a single town, on up to my complete world. Recently I made seven mining towns in two short evenings of about two hours each, including custom names for everything and multiple rebuilds plus seed alteration and exporting to .SVG to be able to edit further in Inkscape. And today I drew the overview level (roughly like all of Europe) of coastlines for my campaign region in Wonderdraft in about two hours. Even better, I can now copy sections of that map and paste them at different scales to make the continent- and world-scale maps, or the smaller region maps.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SilntObsvr So glad you're getting so much out of the software!

  • @ejtoudt3161
    @ejtoudt3161 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, thanks!

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you liked it!

  • @gentleandkind
    @gentleandkind ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great workflow. I use watabou for my town maps, but don't pretty them up as you have. My campaign leans heavily into an "unreliable narrator" story telling method, so I have also produced a few maps with the same prompts and use them interchangeably when the players wouldn't know precise locations of defensive structures or guard rotations etc.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would love to hear more about how you use the unreliable narrator technique.

    • @gentleandkind
      @gentleandkind ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DDHomebrew I am running a campaign where the ultimate plot is Oghma, the god of knowledge, has gone mad. He is ret-conning history by changing the written word. Our PCs have discovered this by meeting a culture that celebrates, and passes on, their histories using oral means and being presented with 'facts' that don't match with what they have discovered about the world from written texts. I've shown this through two main NPC groups - the Druids, who have been aware of the disparity between their oral traditions and their written records for a while, even setting up a taskforce to look in to this (and our PCs have interacted with that taskforce both knowingly and unknowingly), and through a religious group. The religious group were tasked long ago with 'preparing the world' for something - but they have forgotten what, and have lost the key to decipher their own ancient texts (which, as DM, I know have not been adulterated yet). The church group will become an important ally in fighting Oghma in the end game.

    • @gentleandkind
      @gentleandkind ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've also had a number of dream sequences, where we revisit PCs backstories, that aren't true fact. One PC is a bard, and we had a flashback to a 'Battle of the Bands' where the PC was pitted against their current understanding of the BBEG. In that flash back they met a druid character that was in one of the bands. They are a member of the Druid's time-team-taskforce, and when our PCs met that NPC later at a Druid conclave they had no memory of that encounter.

    • @gentleandkind
      @gentleandkind ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Across the top of all of this, our PCs believe that the BBEG is one of Oghma's old disciples gone bad - using their intimate knowledge of how the "Great Library" works, they have been submitting stories to be included in the archives that are not true history. Our PCs will eventually discover that this character is actual trying to fight against Oghma, setting up a situation where some worthy independent adventurers can take the fight to Oghma (our PCs!). The usual DnD bullshittery.

    • @gentleandkind
      @gentleandkind ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As far as the maps go, I have shown them a town layout in advance of them getting there and then swapped different versions once they have explored more. It is subtle and hasn't had a satisfying pay off yet, but it is only a small amount of work and I enjoy this kind of 'mind games' - even if I'm the only one that knows about them! I've also used a hand drawn map given to them by an NPC for a heist they were preparing for, only to play out the session on the real battle map. I got that idea from the new DnD book Keys from the Golden Vault.

  • @krispalermo8133
    @krispalermo8133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool set up, ..
    Few points, ..
    Area, 1sq mile of rotational crops/grazing support a population of 600 people.
    Not forgetting a 40% mortality rate for people under 26 years old.
    So with child labor, migrate seasonal work, a 3sq mile location could have around 2,000 people.
    With a 10% to 15% of 200 fighting men and camp followers ready to move at a moment notice.
    Locations down wind, tanner, livestock yard, slaughterhouse to bleed/ gut the animals, and dyers.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have gone into this level of detail on my villages and towns in the past, and even with the major city of a campaign. It was fun, but I noticed that my players didn't really care! I wish they had: it is really cool to see how people really lived in the typical medieval setting we use for RPG's.

    • @krispalermo8133
      @krispalermo8133 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DDHomebrew Back during the 1990's my area still had some old F*cks buying into the whole " Satanic Panic," mostly it was just their power trip over people.
      1992 as a15year old high school freshmen, we kind of .. high jack .. our pre algebra math class. Sadly our history classes move through time frames to quickly cover the politicians and not the current events and life styles of the common people at that time. Our math teacher, she was Really Cool, so was my/our English teacher, she was the type that move with student on a four year arc. From 8th grade to 12th grade junior year. Sadly half her students had a better relationship with her than they did with their birth mothers. The stern but fair older aunt or uncle types that make the best teachers.
      Why was my/our math teacher really cool, ..
      D&D, equipment list vs carry weight and dice statistics.
      5minute group math problem, then she taught/ shown the way of quicker problem solving.
      1990's heavy metal band, " Mega Death."
      Historic farming practices compare with disease and warfare, to have a kill off numbering in Mega Death, One million dead death count.
      Needless to say, she wasn't thrilled with what some of us were talking about.
      Then we brough up Cesar Roman conquest of Gaul/France with the boasting of numbers which was common during that time to seem greater than everyone else.
      Cesar said before the conquest there were 6 million Gaul, now a few million less. Then follow up with the Boring details of trade tax.
      After the Black Death went through England, not counting Scotland, .. there were 6 million survivors left. Or at least 6 million taxable men written down in the books.
      Now currently mostly over the past thirty years, there are 6 to 8 million people communing or living to work in the greater London England area.
      Then I held up a bunch of thin books covering mining, smelting, and Industial machine building, and farm feed plants. Not forgetting water pipe power land work.
      This wasn't too long after the end of the Cold War, .. you know .. the information and skills needed to rebuild after WW III.
      So our teacher flip her stander work from pre algebra to introduction to elementary technical math.
      She also explained algebra by counting the number of students in the room, and divide cookies between us all.

    • @krispalermo8133
      @krispalermo8133 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DDHomebrew My grandfather worked his way up to foreman at the local GM plant, back in the day when factories took care of their employees.
      My grandparents mortgage a few acres of land, had a few books of " Fox Fire Hand books for Hill Billy living."
      Then there was my grandfather's garage he spent like 15 years stocking up materials.
      So as a county boy teenager, I had a lot of education.
      Which cause me to have a serious discontent with adult behavior. Other than my grandparents, westerns, and Star Trek teaching me my morality.
      But history has been written, people are no smarter than what they were a hundred years ago. That is why they had village big man giving orders, foremen and managers.
      Independent farmsteads were the exception and not the rule. Before stander education of book learning, there is only so much a single person can remember and multi craft on their own. That is why there are villages and a few mile walk or ride to .. town .. like in westerns to get help.
      " You will never be nothing more than a Farm Hand. So don't dream of owning your own stead."
      Tv series " Gun Smoke, "
      Doc fell off his roof trying to fix some shingles and broke his arm.
      Everyone in town gave him a hard time over it. A Man Your Age, up on a roof ? What were you thinking ?"
      Doc normally gets around by wagon, cause just in case of a house call, he needs to bring the person back to town. Also a man of his age it is too dangerous riding a horse cause they might get thrown, or just fall off.
      When you are a teenager or in your early twenties, you can take risks that can cause broken bones or get you killed. But after a given age you can't take risks anymore cause you have elders and children to look after.

    • @krispalermo8133
      @krispalermo8133 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, this is a loaded thread, ..
      As a teenager back in the 1990's I read a lot of books. Can't prove nothing cause it is a book. They are not going to take your word for it, and they have no interest in reading it themselves.
      Past ten years I am just a happy camper finding history videos on YT covering the topics I read about when I was younger.
      But due to people mind set, explaining it let alone reading about it is beyond what their mind can process. Bothering with watching it ? And there are five different covering of the same time events, why bother ? It is the same thing and whatever happen then isn't happening now, whats the point.
      France more than a few centuries ago, the population boom cause more children reached adult hood and the problem is food production. You can B.S. and goad men into war but what of the women. And there wasn't enough time in the area to clear new land and grow the crops let alone the livestock. So the French region lords/politicians cause a religious heresy war to murder off over half the population just by spreading rumors. I read this years ago, but seeing a conspire theory covering our current politicians' family bloodlines and seeing what these people are up to, this is nothing new.
      2.) Another aspect of this time period, a group of local nobles called every adult man and woman in a few dozen mile area with the price of a week's worth of food to take back to their home village with them if they don't want the job. The nobles explained the food problem with the current population, life in the cities, and raid/ boarder wars. The job project, ..
      Earthen work dam and irrigation system, all dug/carry by hand, with sleeping under serf hovels, .. But .. at least you will have some food each day.
      During the nobles speech, and this was Still during the time where nobles still have to be fighting men. They said it will be a 50 Year job and it will mostly bankrupt them, after they throw numbers out it became a 90 Year Effort !
      Now who the F--ck will sign on for a job like that ?
      Along with food and clothing not granted being the best.
      Ever heard how dangerous logging was back during the late 1800's ?
      There are black & white westerns covering logging camps well worth the watch.
      They F--cking Conquered the Land, clear out all underbrush cause they had forest fires back then too. Rake out, shovel, and level roads, survey the sloops and trench water shed run off and created multiple reservoir lake to feed hundred of square miles of farms. Boy, your Great grandparents did that, look on with pride.
      Sadly now days, no one, or very few people really understand generation wealth.
      As for old style farming, once you have a given number of people where the food production meets the local population, there is only so much farm/animal work to do. Hence you have artist/craft guilds, well what you do with people that don't have the money/materials to train, let alone smart enough to learn those given skill ?
      Nobles/politicians suckering them into wars.
      Well, these nobles created a multigeneration earth work water system and cleared more farmland for the locals to have a healthy multiple generation population growth. They were called to war a few times dealing with the Germans, they just took many of the German soldiers back with them to help with the digging. It was by their own free choice to have a different life other than the one they had in Germany.
      " Well instead of spearing me dead, you only club me with the staff. Yeah I dig dirt for you and met your sister."
      3.) There was a story about some king, he told his men he Wanted Prisoners for ransom and for Labor.
      Lucky them, .. they won all their major battles and the only few times they had to retreat. The opposing lords granted them mercy. Cause they treat the losers well.
      The king wanted a castle and keep, query the stone and build the walls, you be feed, and have develop mad new skills.
      Also the king made dam sure the men were entertained as well.
      Half the men stay with that king and became his army.
      Other than the military/religious actions of that time mostly noted in history books. Surrounding information of that king and those new .. Mansons .. built towns/ cities up and down that river area for the next few centuries.
      King, " You are free men now, do what you want."
      One young man, who really wasn't Old enough to speak. If you understand what that means. He wanted to scout the land and start running water lines to many of the villages and dig a canal system linking everything together. Needless to say, that canal system was named after that young man. OMG that part of France has some of the most amazing stonework that wasn't touch by WW II air drops.
      One minor petty king started a chain reaction that traveled centuries just by treating people well and training them to Build something.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      People don't appreciate their youth until they are old!@@krispalermo8133

  • @michaelwest4325
    @michaelwest4325 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That did seem a user friendly software.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's what I like about it. Probably not as fully featured but it works for what I need.

  • @JacobFury
    @JacobFury ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My assets folder is empty. Does anyone know why that would be? There is no example or sprites in there

    • @JacobFury
      @JacobFury ปีที่แล้ว

      I figured it out, nevermind.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You have to get that from the Wonderdraft purchase page. I used Humble Bundle to purchase my copy. You'll see it on their webpage.

  • @ProfBoggs
    @ProfBoggs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does anyone know if Wonderdraft would let you use this style of buildings with elevation lines?

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe so, if you can turn an elevation drawing into a PNG file and import it as a symbol.

    • @ProfBoggs
      @ProfBoggs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DDHomebrew So we cannot _draw_ elevation lines in Wonderdraft?

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ProfBoggs I don't know, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert with the system. I just help with areas that I know.

    • @Incab
      @Incab 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ProfBoggs You would need to make a custom "Path" brush. Like the trail / road lines but elevation hash marks.

    • @ProfBoggs
      @ProfBoggs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Incab Thank you!

  • @graysontheovercomer
    @graysontheovercomer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For some reason, my cities won't scale up. not sure why...

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you mean that you can't make the symbol in Wonderfraft scale? That is a slider on the right side or the alt key and the mouse middle key.

    • @graysontheovercomer
      @graysontheovercomer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DDHomebrew I realized that my dimensions were way too small, and the asset was being loaded as a microscopic city.

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you figured it out!@@graysontheovercomer

    • @SilntObsvr
      @SilntObsvr 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@graysontheovercomer CTL-scroll wheel will zoom in and out on the Wonderdraft map. Zoom in enough and your cities will be visible in their glory.

  • @exkiltersilva7483
    @exkiltersilva7483 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    do you know if this can be used to make a modern city?

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't see why not. Are you playing an RPG with a modern setting?

    • @exkiltersilva7483
      @exkiltersilva7483 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@DDHomebrewyes

    • @exkiltersilva7483
      @exkiltersilva7483 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DDHomebrew Yes. Do you know how do I turn off farms?

  • @orderedchaostheory
    @orderedchaostheory ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you color the blocks?

    • @DDHomebrew
      @DDHomebrew  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good eye! I colored them in Photoshop for my game map. I assume you can color them in GIMP as well.

    • @orderedchaostheory
      @orderedchaostheory ปีที่แล้ว +1

      will do! Thanks @@DDHomebrew