Many accept the Trinity because of his emotional connotation regarding "God sending His only Son to die for us". Vicarious atonement is a powerful message regardless of it's theological falsehood. There is a sincere, if sadly mistaken, sense of love there and hence why the main concern in the mind of a reluctant christian/catholic considering Islam is "I don't want to reject Christ". Born muslims have to understand that and the power that the figure of the Messiah has. Logical dialectic will only go as far. The muslim must contrast with something as powerful regarding God and His Final Messenger.
@@scribalma_h Fantastic point, you can even further see this with the near fetishization of Christians regarding the alleged suffering/cruficixion of Jesus in films like Passion of the Christ They find the notion of God dying for them intoxicating, despite it being rationally and scripturally absurd
@abdullahandersson132 sacrifice stories are universally powerful and moving. Someone willingly going through so much suffering and pain for others will never not be compellling. That's why, as a convert, I always advise in dawah matters to highlight the same virtues of selflesness, love and mercy in the Prophet (s). The stoning and beatings, the loss of loved ones, the humiliations and character assassination, him returning from heaven to a life of more pain and hardship out love and concern for mankind's salvation and so on.
Christians accept the trinity, which is not a word used in the Bible, because it's from the teachings of the Bible. Mohammad was not a prophet, for one, but he also wasn't a prophet greater than Jesus.
The trinity is not difficult to understand. God is love means God is a relation; you can't have love without another to love, and you can't have perfect love without it being reciprocal and infinite. If God by necessity is perfect love then there must be a necessary relation within God himself. The object of love must be capable of receiving and giving that infinite love and so it is equally divine. The incarnation is that relation being extended into the finite created realm; Jesus is both man and God, and acts as a bridge for finite beings to be incorporated into that infinite relation.
Assalamualaikum WA rahmatullah hi WA barakatuhu I have a question about seeing dreams that come true You see I was told that these dreams come and they happen and for years it has happened. But recently I have had these dreams and I was able to not do the thing that I did in the dreams for example I stopped some one from falling on my baba brother tho in the dreams it happened and now I'm getting random numbers and dates that just won't leave my head. I was told the dreams that come true you can't change but how was I able to change the last ones and what does this mean. Please could you answer my question and if you cannot could you ask some one else. JazakAllah khair
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. The trinity refers to the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. I'm sure you didn't know this. God is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God, who died for all man's sins, and the holy ghost is the comforter who dwells in those who accept Jesus as our personal savior. The Quran doesn't include this because it takes teachings from the scriptures and narrate it in its own way and makes Muhammad greater than Jesus, but Jesus has authority in the heaven and in the earth until HE returns with hundreds and thousands of his saints to judge everyone. You say that the teaching of the Quran says that Muhammad was the last prophet. We'll see if that's true.
I have no problem with the trinity your propoganda does not work. It is by faith we are saved through Jesus Christ alone. Faith alone in Christ alone through God's grace alone. I and the Father are one. It's simple even us Christians can follow it. God bless and guide you in your lost hope in Islam.
Why upload this emptiness? All claims, nothing conclusive. Your first point is just moot since something doesn’t have to be simple to be true nor does God have an obligation of providing something simple. Certainly an Ashari like you should know that God does not have obligations towards anyone in anyway. Also, the Trinity being contradictory is a simplistic statement since there are multiple models of the Trinity: Social Trinitarianism and Latin Trinitarianism. Latin Trinitarianism is the “one self” view of the Trinity (I don’t mean modalism) where there are three relations (which are called persons) within God but only one self/center of consciousness, one “I”, in this view the Father is still not the Son and the Son not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit not the Father. Most people who think about the Trinity think it is three centers of consciousness but that’s social Trinitarianism and it’s mostly that view that is considered contradictory, so ur statement was incomplete. Also, who says someone needs to dress like Christ and so what if there are Christians who don’t know that Christ spoke Aramaic? Does this disproof Christianity?? Obviously not. You are just chit-chatting
I sympathise with the video over your points. Complexity is different from deliberate obfuscation to hide illogical stuff. God is unfathomable, but for Him to be One requires for Him to not be three distinct beings; He is Ahad, He is One. And no amount of mental gymnastics gets past that. As for saying there are multiple versions of the trinity, insofar as they claim that God is one in 3 distinct persons they are all contradictory (I know modalism doesn't fall under this but that one is still kufr for the obvious reason of elevating a Prophet to deityhood, and it makes no sense because modalism would have us believe God in the Christian Bible is doing ventriloquism). So yeah, the video is not making empty claims. And the Aramaic part is on spot. He isn't out here trying to swing hammers to disprove Christianity like a cringe TH-camr, the sheikh is making a very deep point. They don't love Esa alayhi Salam like we love our Prophet, because we know the specific dialect of Arabic our Prophet spoke. We seek out knowledge of all aspects of his life, obsessively. That's true adherence.
@@vol94 Who told you that the Trinity is 3 beings? The Trinity is 1 being (actually God is not a being but being itself) even social Trinitarians believe that the Trinity is one being. But like I said Latin Trinitarianism doesn’t believe there are 3 centers of consciousness within God, so there is no contradiction. So yeah, the video is making empty claims. How is the Aramaic part spot on? I am a Christian and know that Christ spoke Aramaic. It’s not that difficult to know since there are Aramaic words and sentences in the Gospels, it’s completely irrelevant if there are Christians who don’t know this
Habibi, don't be mad because you know deep down he's right : Nothing will square the Trinity circle and no amount of sophism will eliminate the contradictions in the Bible.
@@GaiusCotta-v8w A person with intellectual integrity would study both religions before drawing a conclusion, so do your own research. Many truth seekers find and embrace Islam, from different backgrounds.
How can you call yourself a Dr when you don't even know that Aramaic still exists. You are not a qualified Dr to speak on the Bible. Nowhere did God command the Gospel to be taught in Aramaic. Jesus commanded to preach the gospel throughout the world in the language of all the people's (Matthew 24:14, Revelation 14:6, Acts 2:1-11). God ain't limited to a specific language. Christians are to emulate the character of Christ, not dress like Him, zero commandment for that. To dress like someone is to idolize them. Shouldn't muslims emulate allah over Muhammad, Muhammad may have had a beard but allah is beardless, (Arabic ref: Book 47, Hadith 3543, Eng ref: Vol 5, Book 44, Hadith 3235). You have made assumptions no facts. Christians have found relief in the Trinity as God reveals and yes even the children have understanding. To lie against Christianity is evident of the spirit of the antichrist. The Quran might be relief in its simplicity but shaitan only needs simplicity, subtle in his approach, hence more deceiving than relieving.
@@bigtee5248 His field of expertise is not linguistics or in a field relevant to knowing Aramaic still exists If the Trinity is so simple, that children can understand it, could you please explain it to me?
Jesus pbuh was given direct revelation from God which you do not have. Matthew mark Luke and John are not the revelation of Jesus pbuh. They're just books written by anonymous men who never knew or met or lived with Jesus pbuh. Christian scholars have already agreed that the new testament is not available in it's original form and cannot be verified as coming directly from Jesus pbuh. As for emulating Allah, we are HUMAN, a human does not emulate God, we worship Him. That's the stupidest thing I've read today. Muhammed pbuh is the Messenger of God and our teacher. So he taught us how to live as good humans and how to worship God and because God is pleased with Muhammed pbuh then it stands that if we follow Muhammed pbuh then God will be pleased with us. It says that in Quran too which is the Word of God. And I never heard of the devils religion telling people to stay chaste, to not fornicate, to not have relationships outside marriage, to respect your parents, to worship God alone, to give charity to the poor and to do good deeds. You're absolutely deluded by your hate. This is embarrassing. I don't believe in the Hindu religion but I've read their scripture to understand why they believe what they believe and I don't hate them for it. You sound like a complete nutter and jealous. We follow Jesus pbuh more than you do. Jesus pbuh fasted. We fast. Jesus pbuh prayed on his face and knees. So do we. Jesus pbuh wore long robes and was modest and had a beard, so do we. Jesus pbuh did not eat swine. Nor do we! Tell me again how you are a follower of Jesus pbuh when you don't even follow him in any way shape or form. Ridiculous
@abdullahandersson132 all I'm going to say is that God is not a name or numerical denominator but a divine source. All throughout the scriptures Jesus is found at the right hand of God (Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Acts 7:55-56, Roman's 8:34, 1 Peter 3:21-22). Right hand of power symbolizes status, honor, power and authority hence Jesus said ALL power and authority is given to Him on earth and in heaven. Now allah has two right hands, this is Jesus and the Holy Spirit, both who are the right hand of God. Together these three make up the Godhead, it is not three God's, partners or associates but tawheed. The literal meaning of tawheed is "Oneness and Unification". Who is allah unified with if he's one alone. God is unified in one as one with His two right hands. God is ONE!
@@asrarahmed177 and how would Islam know what's original and what isn't if you have no original to compare to, that's empty words. On top of that muslims are claiming allah failed because allah couldn't preserve his previous scriptures. As far as I'm concerned, allah has preserved the gospel with its followers (Christians) right up til the day of resurrection as stated in Surah 61:14, 3:55. Finally what exactly is the injeel, I believe there is no Arabic translation of such a word. Gospel means Good News and there's only one Arabic word in the Quran that refers to the good news and that is Bishāra. Bishāra is the equivalent of the Greek word euangélion meaning good news. So in saying that, the Gospel being the Bishāra not the injil can only mean the injil was corrupted but not the Bishāra. God's Truth and guidance be with us all.
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The trinity is likened to quantum mechanics in the sense that "if you think you understand it you committed heresy."
I was raised Christian, and I could never explain the Trinity. When I learned about Islam and tawhid, was so relieved.
They speak Syriac still. Which is a dialect of Aramaic. A few villages in Syria
Many accept the Trinity because of his emotional connotation regarding "God sending His only Son to die for us".
Vicarious atonement is a powerful message regardless of it's theological falsehood.
There is a sincere, if sadly mistaken, sense of love there and hence why the main concern in the mind of a reluctant christian/catholic considering Islam is "I don't want to reject Christ". Born muslims have to understand that and the power that the figure of the Messiah has.
Logical dialectic will only go as far. The muslim must contrast with something as powerful regarding God and His Final Messenger.
@@scribalma_h Fantastic point, you can even further see this with the near fetishization of Christians regarding the alleged suffering/cruficixion of Jesus in films like Passion of the Christ
They find the notion of God dying for them intoxicating, despite it being rationally and scripturally absurd
@abdullahandersson132 sacrifice stories are universally powerful and moving. Someone willingly going through so much suffering and pain for others will never not be compellling.
That's why, as a convert, I always advise in dawah matters to highlight the same virtues of selflesness, love and mercy in the Prophet (s).
The stoning and beatings, the loss of loved ones, the humiliations and character assassination, him returning from heaven to a life of more pain and hardship out love and concern for mankind's salvation and so on.
Christians accept the trinity, which is not a word used in the Bible, because it's from the teachings of the Bible. Mohammad was not a prophet, for one, but he also wasn't a prophet greater than Jesus.
Great points!
@@scribalma_hsubhan Allah
Mashallah 🤍
And not all Christians believe in the Trinity, the Catholic Church persecuted anyone fellow Christians for rejecting the Trinity.
*Believed. Ebionites and Unitarian jewish Christians are no longer a thing.
Theres a community in Syria that still speaks Aramaic. Or might be Latin America.
The trinity is not difficult to understand. God is love means God is a relation; you can't have love without another to love, and you can't have perfect love without it being reciprocal and infinite. If God by necessity is perfect love then there must be a necessary relation within God himself. The object of love must be capable of receiving and giving that infinite love and so it is equally divine. The incarnation is that relation being extended into the finite created realm; Jesus is both man and God, and acts as a bridge for finite beings to be incorporated into that infinite relation.
Assalamualaikum WA rahmatullah hi WA barakatuhu
I have a question about seeing dreams that come true
You see I was told that these dreams come and they happen and for years it has happened. But recently I have had these dreams and I was able to not do the thing that I did in the dreams for example I stopped some one from falling on my baba brother tho in the dreams it happened and now I'm getting random numbers and dates that just won't leave my head. I was told the dreams that come true you can't change but how was I able to change the last ones and what does this mean. Please could you answer my question and if you cannot could you ask some one else.
JazakAllah khair
Pay no attention to the dream and move on
Bro said shaytan at the end 😂 5:26
😂😂😂😂😂
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The trinity refers to the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. I'm sure you didn't know this. God is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God, who died for all man's sins, and the holy ghost is the comforter who dwells in those who accept Jesus as our personal savior.
The Quran doesn't include this because it takes teachings from the scriptures and narrate it in its own way and makes Muhammad greater than Jesus, but Jesus has authority in the heaven and in the earth until HE returns with hundreds and thousands of his saints to judge everyone.
You say that the teaching of the Quran says that Muhammad was the last prophet. We'll see if that's true.
Yes but you have a problem with the tawhid !!
I have no problem with the trinity your propoganda does not work. It is by faith we are saved through Jesus Christ alone. Faith alone in Christ alone through God's grace alone. I and the Father are one. It's simple even us Christians can follow it. God bless and guide you in your lost hope in Islam.
The only way you can have no problem with the Trinity is if you turn your brain off. Standard practice for Christians.
Why upload this emptiness? All claims, nothing conclusive. Your first point is just moot since something doesn’t have to be simple to be true nor does God have an obligation of providing something simple. Certainly an Ashari like you should know that God does not have obligations towards anyone in anyway. Also, the Trinity being contradictory is a simplistic statement since there are multiple models of the Trinity: Social Trinitarianism and Latin Trinitarianism. Latin Trinitarianism is the “one self” view of the Trinity (I don’t mean modalism) where there are three relations (which are called persons) within God but only one self/center of consciousness, one “I”, in this view the Father is still not the Son and the Son not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit not the Father. Most people who think about the Trinity think it is three centers of consciousness but that’s social Trinitarianism and it’s mostly that view that is considered contradictory, so ur statement was incomplete.
Also, who says someone needs to dress like Christ and so what if there are Christians who don’t know that Christ spoke Aramaic? Does this disproof Christianity?? Obviously not. You are just chit-chatting
I sympathise with the video over your points. Complexity is different from deliberate obfuscation to hide illogical stuff. God is unfathomable, but for Him to be One requires for Him to not be three distinct beings; He is Ahad, He is One. And no amount of mental gymnastics gets past that. As for saying there are multiple versions of the trinity, insofar as they claim that God is one in 3 distinct persons they are all contradictory (I know modalism doesn't fall under this but that one is still kufr for the obvious reason of elevating a Prophet to deityhood, and it makes no sense because modalism would have us believe God in the Christian Bible is doing ventriloquism). So yeah, the video is not making empty claims.
And the Aramaic part is on spot. He isn't out here trying to swing hammers to disprove Christianity like a cringe TH-camr, the sheikh is making a very deep point. They don't love Esa alayhi Salam like we love our Prophet, because we know the specific dialect of Arabic our Prophet spoke. We seek out knowledge of all aspects of his life, obsessively. That's true adherence.
@@vol94 Who told you that the Trinity is 3 beings? The Trinity is 1 being (actually God is not a being but being itself) even social Trinitarians believe that the Trinity is one being. But like I said Latin Trinitarianism doesn’t believe there are 3 centers of consciousness within God, so there is no contradiction. So yeah, the video is making empty claims.
How is the Aramaic part spot on? I am a Christian and know that Christ spoke Aramaic. It’s not that difficult to know since there are Aramaic words and sentences in the Gospels, it’s completely irrelevant if there are Christians who don’t know this
Habibi, don't be mad because you know deep down he's right : Nothing will square the Trinity circle and no amount of sophism will eliminate the contradictions in the Bible.
@@GaiusCotta-v8w A person with intellectual integrity would study both religions before drawing a conclusion, so do your own research. Many truth seekers find and embrace Islam, from different backgrounds.
@@GaiusCotta-v8w
Why 3 centers of consciousness? Why not 4?
How can you call yourself a Dr when you don't even know that Aramaic still exists.
You are not a qualified Dr to speak on the Bible. Nowhere did God command the Gospel to be taught in Aramaic. Jesus commanded to preach the gospel throughout the world in the language of all the people's (Matthew 24:14, Revelation 14:6, Acts 2:1-11). God ain't limited to a specific language.
Christians are to emulate the character of Christ, not dress like Him, zero commandment for that. To dress like someone is to idolize them. Shouldn't muslims emulate allah over Muhammad, Muhammad may have had a beard but allah is beardless, (Arabic ref: Book 47, Hadith 3543, Eng ref: Vol 5, Book 44, Hadith 3235).
You have made assumptions no facts. Christians have found relief in the Trinity as God reveals and yes even the children have understanding. To lie against Christianity is evident of the spirit of the antichrist.
The Quran might be relief in its simplicity but shaitan only needs simplicity, subtle in his approach, hence more deceiving than relieving.
@@bigtee5248 His field of expertise is not linguistics or in a field relevant to knowing Aramaic still exists
If the Trinity is so simple, that children can understand it, could you please explain it to me?
You don't have the original gospel or torah, so how do you know?
Jesus pbuh was given direct revelation from God which you do not have. Matthew mark Luke and John are not the revelation of Jesus pbuh. They're just books written by anonymous men who never knew or met or lived with Jesus pbuh. Christian scholars have already agreed that the new testament is not available in it's original form and cannot be verified as coming directly from Jesus pbuh. As for emulating Allah, we are HUMAN, a human does not emulate God, we worship Him. That's the stupidest thing I've read today. Muhammed pbuh is the Messenger of God and our teacher. So he taught us how to live as good humans and how to worship God and because God is pleased with Muhammed pbuh then it stands that if we follow Muhammed pbuh then God will be pleased with us. It says that in Quran too which is the Word of God. And I never heard of the devils religion telling people to stay chaste, to not fornicate, to not have relationships outside marriage, to respect your parents, to worship God alone, to give charity to the poor and to do good deeds. You're absolutely deluded by your hate. This is embarrassing. I don't believe in the Hindu religion but I've read their scripture to understand why they believe what they believe and I don't hate them for it. You sound like a complete nutter and jealous. We follow Jesus pbuh more than you do. Jesus pbuh fasted. We fast. Jesus pbuh prayed on his face and knees. So do we. Jesus pbuh wore long robes and was modest and had a beard, so do we. Jesus pbuh did not eat swine. Nor do we! Tell me again how you are a follower of Jesus pbuh when you don't even follow him in any way shape or form. Ridiculous
@abdullahandersson132 all I'm going to say is that God is not a name or numerical denominator but a divine source.
All throughout the scriptures Jesus is found at the right hand of God (Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Acts 7:55-56, Roman's 8:34, 1 Peter 3:21-22).
Right hand of power symbolizes status, honor, power and authority hence Jesus said ALL power and authority is given to Him on earth and in heaven.
Now allah has two right hands, this is Jesus and the Holy Spirit, both who are the right hand of God. Together these three make up the Godhead, it is not three God's, partners or associates but tawheed. The literal meaning of tawheed is "Oneness and Unification". Who is allah unified with if he's one alone.
God is unified in one as one with His two right hands. God is ONE!
@@asrarahmed177 and how would Islam know what's original and what isn't if you have no original to compare to, that's empty words. On top of that muslims are claiming allah failed because allah couldn't preserve his previous scriptures.
As far as I'm concerned, allah has preserved the gospel with its followers (Christians) right up til the day of resurrection as stated in Surah 61:14, 3:55.
Finally what exactly is the injeel, I believe there is no Arabic translation of such a word. Gospel means Good News and there's only one Arabic word in the Quran that refers to the good news and that is Bishāra. Bishāra is the equivalent of the Greek word euangélion meaning good news.
So in saying that, the Gospel being the Bishāra not the injil can only mean the injil was corrupted but not the Bishāra.
God's Truth and guidance be with us all.