That’s kind of the problem America thought it was just a cool look So tried to just.. copy it from cnada Who had spent like a decade designing that shit Mostly with computers and cameras nobody like.. designed cadpat by hand And then it took us years to make and finish the patterns for other terrain America just thoghhh it looked cool Made there own by like hand And then we’re confused when there’s didn’t work lol
Speaking of camo rarities, I just found a bunch of uniforms in AOR universal at my local surplus the other day. Would’ve taken some home but they were all huge
I have a buddy online who does airsoft in an old construction site, he uses UCP-D and he's damn near invisible. Crazy how one color can change the effectiveness on a camo pattern
Same here. I was told that if I ended up getting deployed to some combat area, don't wear new/newish or unstained uniforms outside the wire, because it makes you stand out like a sore thumb pretty much anywhere. But they also said that the same exact piece of kit/uniform with the ineffective regular UCP camo (that looks sort of like a faded teal green mixed with light grey when it's new, to my eyes) can surprisingly transform into a fairly effective and decent camo pattern after it has aged, been used/abused, if it has picked up a decent amount of staining from sweat, dirt, and other things. And it is surprising once you see some uniforms and kit that has gone thru the aging and staining process (especially if it occured naturally, thru regular wear and use) and compare it against anything new that is in UCP, because they pretty much look like completely different camo patterns/colors, and it does become fairly effective in a lot of cases, however that is usually around the same time that the item is nearly worn out and needing to be replaced lol. I had never heard of using coffee grounds to stain the UCP uniforms to be more effective, but it sounds like it would work, if done properly. I wish I had that knowledge back then, and I'm thinking about getting some of my old camo stuff out of the closet and possibly testing that out....i get curious about such things lol
The problem with UCP was that it was too bright and I think UCP-D fixes that problem. But UCP was already circling the drain when the Delta variant came out and nothing could save it.
The main issue is the similar coloring on top of a small pattern The human eye would just see smurf blue human silhouettes which defeats the whole purpose of camo to begin with
I’m actually surprised that the us army didn’t attempt to make a digital version of multicam seen as they had such a hard on for digital camo patterns back in the 2000s
My buddy's unit figured out how to fix the ACU pattern themselves without this early into the war on terror. They would wash their combat uniforms with coffee grounds and the color would stain them tan. They would have a pristine uniform to wear on days off or back home to avoid an ass chewing.
When I was in Afghanistan, my unit relieved a unit of 82ND Airborne who were all wearing UCP Delta. I thought the uniforms looked a lot better but all their gear was still regular ACU.
@@thebadlander3608 I believe you mean: UCP: Universal Camo Pattern. ACU: Army Combat Uniform is the uniform "cut" or style. Replaced BDU's (Battle Dress Uniform) style uniforms that were mostly Woodland Camo.
@@epapa737 DNC is a close second, so close that I got a custom DNC parka lined with UCP-D. But M81 is just bland now, it's been ruined by fat larpers and boomers. It's only cool when it's on custom Cryes and Patagonia Level 9 uniforms.
I misunderstood that for a sec and thought you got a 1903 with the bayonet and scabbard for a hundred and wondered what was wrong with the gun for you to get one that cheap.
@@Seasniffer69 I got a Ruger Security 9 for not-insane prices at Wannemacher's a few years ago. MSRP at the time was $450, I walked away with it at $460 plus a free box of 9mm.
We had the BDUs and their generally effective woodland camouflage pattern....and today, after multiple stops along the way, we have a multicam derivative which is a lot like woodland camo but on a smaller scale, and the latest ultra hot weather lightweigh camo uniforms bring back the BDU's great buttons. So...we got it right in the 80s and should never have left it. Today's camo is a lot like BDUs.
I am a USMC veteran of Iraq. I remember seeing my Army brothers in 2006-07 in OIF wearing that godawful grey UCP camo. Probably one of the dumbest gear ideas out there. The only good thing is once it gets filthy it looks like the local dirt. You know what I’m curious to learn about: the tan polypro thermals we got issued but couldn’t wear because when you got hit by an IED, if you lived, it melted to you.
Used that pattern in Iraq 2011. We called them 'FRACUS.' Fire Resistant ACUS. They were super thin and we had to go get them altered to reinforce the elbows, knees and groin area to handle going out in the field.
I was in the 82nd in Afghanistan in 2009-10, deployed with normal ACU’s and saw these. We just called them “the dirty ACU’s” since they looks like normal ones with mud on them. And yes Multicam was the crowd pleaser, it was new and actually worked.
As much as I know the UCP isn't popular with the guys who actually had to wear them, I always did like the pattern. I just like American uniform patterns.
As someone who wears UCP when playing OPFOR, I've always wanted some UCP-D but jeez is it pricey. there was a joke camo the British army came out with for aprils fools, and it was basically redbrick overlaid over MTP which had a similar colour profile to UCP-D and when it was revealed it was a joke, a lot of the OPFOR guys got disappointed, cos it looked kinda cool and would have fitted our requirement of wearing older and strange patterns quite nicely.
@@rooknado OPFOR is Opposing Force so basically in training when you play bad guy you’re OPFOR and I’m pretty sure that we call unknown enemy combatants OPFOR as well but idk
“What mountains are blue Greg?!?” “The Smokey mountains?” “THE *BLUE* SMOKEY MOUNTAINS? How is that going to help us in Afghanistan or Iraq?” “… All mountains look the same…” *has a stroke* “DID YOU JUST SAY ALL MOUNTAINS LOOK THE SAME?!?”
Little more info for those out of the loop: UCP fails as a camo pattern for two reasons: it has a bad color palette, and it uses a "digital" pattern. UCP features too many gray and blue hues, resulting in the average color being a pale teal color. A "Digital" pattern is the blocky pixellated style, which fails as a uniform pattern since it was designed for Naval Vessels. More specifically! Camouflage is designed to break up your silhouette by making parts of your body appear to be part of or concealed by the environment, even when you're partially exposed. This means each blotch of color needs to be big enough to be seen, but not so big that one color dominates the others. UCP fails due to its color blotches being way too small due to the sheer nature of "digital" camo, which was designed for Tanks and Naval vessels. When done properly, each "pixel" would be about a foot wide, and would align better with concrete buildings or the skyline. On people? The sharp corners are really noticiable in natural terrain, and never align enough in urban areas. In order to pass the tests, the pixels had to be shrunk, but nobody bothered to update the size of the splotches themselves.
my first deployment to Afghanistan was in ACUs and my second deployment was in multicam. I was blown away at what a big difference the multicam made. when we were dismounted it was much harder to see where my soldiers where and made keeping the wedge formation together a bit of a pain in the butt. I was thankful.
“DIG 1” im not sure if you are a nerd like me or not but the “DIG 2” camo pattern was tested by CAG during early GWOT days. Later evolving into the AOR1&2/Marpat camo patterns😊
UCP-D is bad ass. After years of looking I finally found a L/XL delta ACH cover, and it's my favourite piece in my collection. Even though it didn't beat out OCP I still think that it's a sick pattern.
What I love most about multicam more than the obviousness that the pattern and colors were so much better is that their is so much less Velcro bullshit to deal with since you can get a sewd on rank and nameplate.
Although Multicam (or the slightly modified OCP version of it) is a good pattern, if the U.S. enters a major conflict they might have to consider a new pattern again. Reason being because tons of armies have started using it as well so it’s gonna be hard to tell friend from foe when there’s 4 different armies running around in Multicam. Even some Russian SF units are using it.
Last to go through Basic Training in the green uniform....got my BDUs when I got back to my unit in 81. Seeing camouflage improvement over the decades....actually I'm impressed.
Ucp should have never been use in the us army. Cost many lives in afganistan. After BDU I BELIEVE MULTICAM WAS THE BEST UNIFORM TO REPLACE THE BDU. BUT UCP WAS JUST AN IDEA TO KEEP THE CONGRESSMAN COMPANIES EMPLOYED
I saw a couple of guys wearing these in Afghanistan back in 2010 and I was amazed at how much just adding some brown made it look so much better and actually kind of effective
Honestly with a couple splotches more of dark coyote brown (or a faded espresso) and maybe a bit of sorta faded OD green (not as deep as the camo pattern the Marines use) I could see it working in a rock garden-forest transitioning into urban engagement Probably not for Afghanistan or Iraq, but definitely in northern countries, I know I'd love something like UCP-D or what I mentioned above when I go stealth camping here in the mountainous parts of Alberta during the winter-spring transition period where randomly it will rise to 3'C, do some freezing rain and make the ground muddy to then drop to -20'C, freeze everything and rise up to like -7'C to snow like hell before plummeting back down to -20'C So a lot of white/grey, dark and light brown with occasional spatters of greens
At this point in time I was super nerdy about camo patterns . The army made " ArPat" and shortly after made army universal . Both were used at the same time . ArPat is the loam and tan , universal has darker green and added browns. Thing is it worked as intended, it failed to blend into environments . It was designed to trick Russian and Chinese night vision in lowlight situations by messing with the heavily pixelated picture they produced. It was in part from the color and in part from a uv/ir reflective treatment in the dye itself. If you want digital patterns that work to breakup a human silhouette against backgrounds , cadpat and marpat do it well in most non desert areas. Atacs green does well too. Crye Multicam is the first camo that actually blends people into the background . The dyes of true Multicam pic up ambient light from the surrounding environments and shows primarily as whatever they reflect. In a dense forest with lots of green , well,its going to be mostly green . Is it autumn ? Well, now you see browns ,tans and reds . Winter is the only time it doesn't blend without help . The old woodland camo is actually very good at what it does too. Breaks up the body outline against shadow and light . It's so good at what it does , seals,and s.o.f. still use it when they work in dense woodlands .
If you have any UCP left, you can dye it successfully with fiber reactive dyes. Camo browns and greens both work really well with it. Typically sold as tie dye, you can mix your pigment differently for different intensities of color People are also using rit dye, but I’m hesitant due to the salt content and I’m curious if it reflects IR at all
Know someone who buys them surplus, dyes them with dark green and resells them. They also do it with normal ucp. It actually looks pretty cool and seems fairly popular and usable in woodland.
@@MikeB128 Maybe they aren't military surplus per say. LBT made a mountain of UCP D uniforms for a 2006 DoD contract and sell them off by weight if you know who to ask, Black bear tactical CO? They import LBT into Canada, think its where Crye gets their material for repro delta. Not as authentic or collectable maybe as stuff the DoD actually received and sent out but it all comes as per their standard.
It only "kind of works" whereas UCP just works. I've seen my battle buddies disappear against red brick, pine needles, spring or summer foliage, grass fields. I have been told it works in rocky or desert environments and we see it working (on both sides) in the Russo-Ukraine War. It doesn't do snow, black or gray concrete or anything that is overly striking colors.
I was the last class to go through Basic training on Benning issued BDUs Halfway through, they gave us all ACUs and we completely hated them. The only good thing about them was.... no more boot polishing.
The only time my ACUs were effective was when I stood against a 150 year old cracked, weathered, multi-toned wall. The ACU-Ds were really a relatively effective option.
Honestly I thought my ucps blended pretty good in desert conditions once they got dirty, also my Fracus the different material they were made out of(it was thinner and more linen like) once they had been washed a couple of times instead of fading like the garrison uniforms they would get this grungy yellow tint to them and actually blended really well also when in basic at sand hill were doing react to contact drills where the “enemy” was dug in at the bottom of a draw of sorts and we were moving in squad wedges down the hill directly into them the area where we were doing this was dense rocky aspen forest so lots of white tree trunks with bright green contrast and exposed bed rock and it blended so well that we didn’t even see the guys dug even once they opened up on us it was like the rocks and trees were shooting I was really surprised at the effectiveness of it in that terrain
Definitely better than original, but it's hard to beat the Lord's flannel. I've got an old Marine set (no 8-point or boonie though) that my unit was going to throw away, glad I managed to save it.
That camo pattern was chosen for the same reason that the helmets were made to cover less of the head, and body armor was shrunk down to little more than a bib. If you know you know.
Feel like a green dyed UCP-D Would be pretty good in a forested area. Also is it just me, or does anyone else think that there's a correlation between how effective a camo is and how cool a camo is?
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I know looks don’t matter and it’s more of how effective the camouflage actually is but I think it’s a very pleasing camo to look at
Kazakhstan has a brown-dominant UCP clone, so there's that.
Same, it might not be effective camo at all but I think it looks neat
the standard UCP and to a lesser existent this one look pretty ugly in my opinion
@@Tounushi marpat desert lol
That’s kind of the problem
America thought it was just a cool look
So tried to just.. copy it from cnada
Who had spent like a decade designing that shit
Mostly with computers and cameras nobody like.. designed cadpat by hand
And then it took us years to make and finish the patterns for other terrain
America just thoghhh it looked cool
Made there own by like hand
And then we’re confused when there’s didn’t work lol
Bro if that’s genuine issued UCP-D that’s pretty badass. That’s a pretty hard camo to find.
Sure is. Unissued with the tags. A friend also sent me the helmet cover.
@@MikeB128 Now that is badass. Good friend, too!
@@MikeB128 that’s a lot of Tabasco and cigarettes to trade for bro, v nice, a homie indeed
It should be hard to find; its camo!
Speaking of camo rarities, I just found a bunch of uniforms in AOR universal at my local surplus the other day. Would’ve taken some home but they were all huge
I have a buddy online who does airsoft in an old construction site, he uses UCP-D and he's damn near invisible. Crazy how one color can change the effectiveness on a camo pattern
The General and Congressman with stock in textile:
"It's like printing my own money".
Exactly, same with whoever makes all the dang blank rounds the Army wastes every day
I had an E7 tell me once. "it works pretty good when it is dirty".
That’s what they told me when I joined
It really does though, after a week of being in moondust desert conditions it blended perfectly
Same here. I was told that if I ended up getting deployed to some combat area, don't wear new/newish or unstained uniforms outside the wire, because it makes you stand out like a sore thumb pretty much anywhere. But they also said that the same exact piece of kit/uniform with the ineffective regular UCP camo (that looks sort of like a faded teal green mixed with light grey when it's new, to my eyes) can surprisingly transform into a fairly effective and decent camo pattern after it has aged, been used/abused, if it has picked up a decent amount of staining from sweat, dirt, and other things. And it is surprising once you see some uniforms and kit that has gone thru the aging and staining process (especially if it occured naturally, thru regular wear and use) and compare it against anything new that is in UCP, because they pretty much look like completely different camo patterns/colors, and it does become fairly effective in a lot of cases, however that is usually around the same time that the item is nearly worn out and needing to be replaced lol. I had never heard of using coffee grounds to stain the UCP uniforms to be more effective, but it sounds like it would work, if done properly. I wish I had that knowledge back then, and I'm thinking about getting some of my old camo stuff out of the closet and possibly testing that out....i get curious about such things lol
The problem with UCP was that it was too bright and I think UCP-D fixes that problem. But UCP was already circling the drain when the Delta variant came out and nothing could save it.
The main issue is the similar coloring on top of a small pattern
The human eye would just see smurf blue human silhouettes which defeats the whole purpose of camo to begin with
I’m actually surprised that the us army didn’t attempt to make a digital version of multicam seen as they had such a hard on for digital camo patterns back in the 2000s
They just wanted to be like the Marine Corps.
My buddy's unit figured out how to fix the ACU pattern themselves without this early into the war on terror. They would wash their combat uniforms with coffee grounds and the color would stain them tan. They would have a pristine uniform to wear on days off or back home to avoid an ass chewing.
so exacatly what the british did in india to make khaki
Roll around in the dirt for a few weeks in-country for the same effect.
@@Jrez I'd rather smell like coffee than local dog shit :p
@@jonathanwright5550 different strokes
@@baconking1160 didn't the British use tea?
"Reportedly worked better than regular UCP"
That's a pretty low bar.
When I was in Afghanistan, my unit relieved a unit of 82ND Airborne who were all wearing UCP Delta. I thought the uniforms looked a lot better but all their gear was still regular ACU.
Every time he says hello there… “General Kenobi!”
You are a bold one!
My buddy came home in UCP once and sat down on his grandma's ugly couch. To this day we're still looking for him.
Lol
Seen that picture with the helmet and boots hanging off that couch
Only thing it blends into lol then again the digital pattern scrambles most cameras from long distance so you look like a blurred object on the ground
😆
I remember that😂
I think that would do a lot better in environments. Especially woodland.
Or red mud/Urban areas
They should've went with that
I know I would’ve liked my ACUs a lot more if they were that pattern. I was stoked when we finally got Multicam heading into Afghanistan.
Especially with all our enemies using multicam
Why? ACU sucks
@@thebadlander3608 I believe you mean: UCP: Universal Camo Pattern. ACU: Army Combat Uniform is the uniform "cut" or style. Replaced BDU's (Battle Dress Uniform) style uniforms that were mostly Woodland Camo.
@@angryagain68 ACU, UCP, they are used interchangeably. And I wasn’t talking about the uniform, I was talking about the camo.
I still wish we used the DCU Coffee Stains those were badass next to the Chocolate Chips
Agreed.
It's what I had at Taji in 2005. We were all fine with it
Good for the naked eye, lights up like a Christmas tree under NIR. That's why they dropped them.
True words “the guys in Iraq didn’t matter.” 😅
Yep, I was one of those guys when this was being tested. We were wearing our lovely UCP.
@@MikeB128 same, I put my UCP flame retardant (which seemed to hold stains better) into the the mud and dirt until it was un$ucked.
Me: "Can we have MARPATS?"
Mom: "We have MARPATS at home."
Almost looks like my original set of woodlands I kept around for far too long
🤣🤣🤣🤣
USMC: NO! That’s my camouflage! It’s got a little EGA in it so you can’t have it! You don’t rate!
@@hieug.rection1920*Marine Corps looks at CADPAT nervously*
@@Orbowitz Latin America's also copy USMC camo: yoink
Oh shit, the coolest US camo pattern
Did you forget M81 and DNC exist?
@@epapa737 DNC is a close second, so close that I got a custom DNC parka lined with UCP-D. But M81 is just bland now, it's been ruined by fat larpers and boomers. It's only cool when it's on custom Cryes and Patagonia Level 9 uniforms.
Three tone DCU or M81 are pretty good
MARPAT?
@@Val81121 MARPAT is ok, AOR is cooler tho
One time I laid down in a gravel pit with my feet in the sand. It was the only time my ACU's actually blended in.
Today I ran into the duality of gun show prices.
I saw a yugo sks for $980 however I walked out with a 1903 M1892 bayonet + scabbard for $100.
I misunderstood that for a sec and thought you got a 1903 with the bayonet and scabbard for a hundred and wondered what was wrong with the gun for you to get one that cheap.
@@CyranofromBergerac If I got a 1903 Springfield for $100 it definitely would be a wall hanger 😂
Gun show prices have always been ridiculous, but now they're just stupid.
@@slappy8941 depends on the booth tbh. I seen a Glock 19x FDE for $500 flat in Dec of 22 at my local gunshow.
@@Seasniffer69 I got a Ruger Security 9 for not-insane prices at Wannemacher's a few years ago. MSRP at the time was $450, I walked away with it at $460 plus a free box of 9mm.
We had the BDUs and their generally effective woodland camouflage pattern....and today, after multiple stops along the way, we have a multicam derivative which is a lot like woodland camo but on a smaller scale, and the latest ultra hot weather lightweigh camo uniforms bring back the BDU's great buttons. So...we got it right in the 80s and should never have left it. Today's camo is a lot like BDUs.
Gotta admit, this version of UCP is quite nice on the eyes.
UCP: Concrete, teal, other shades of concrete
UCP-D: Concrete, teal, other shades of concrete, and dirt
I am a USMC veteran of Iraq. I remember seeing my Army brothers in 2006-07 in OIF wearing that godawful grey UCP camo. Probably one of the dumbest gear ideas out there. The only good thing is once it gets filthy it looks like the local dirt.
You know what I’m curious to learn about: the tan polypro thermals we got issued but couldn’t wear because when you got hit by an IED, if you lived, it melted to you.
We were all told to promptly throw them away as soon as they were issued to us.
Used that pattern in Iraq 2011. We called them 'FRACUS.' Fire Resistant ACUS. They were super thin and we had to go get them altered to reinforce the elbows, knees and groin area to handle going out in the field.
Looks a lot like Flecktarn or Flaktarn camo pattern with the brown
The only saving grace for UCP was that the colors got sun bleached so hard and you really couldn't tell what the pattern was anymore.
I was in the 82nd in Afghanistan in 2009-10, deployed with normal ACU’s and saw these. We just called them “the dirty ACU’s” since they looks like normal ones with mud on them. And yes Multicam was the crowd pleaser, it was new and actually worked.
As much as I know the UCP isn't popular with the guys who actually had to wear them, I always did like the pattern. I just like American uniform patterns.
I wish I didn't sale the jacket I had. Got it online after they scrapped the project for cheap. Sold it for a profit, but wish I held on to it.
Multicam and atacs fg are the best
I heard hex camo works pretty well too
It is. That's why many countries use it. Some countries even use it officially by some units.
Atacs is awesome. Actually had a guy step on my legs once when I was wearing it.
Army trying to figure out camo:
Artists: exists
High command: ah yes the ACU is perfect for gravel pits... mass produce it
Artists: ????
As someone who wears UCP when playing OPFOR, I've always wanted some UCP-D but jeez is it pricey.
there was a joke camo the British army came out with for aprils fools, and it was basically redbrick overlaid over MTP which had a similar colour profile to UCP-D and when it was revealed it was a joke, a lot of the OPFOR guys got disappointed, cos it looked kinda cool and would have fitted our requirement of wearing older and strange patterns quite nicely.
sounds awesome, what’s OPFOR? i’m genuinely interested
@@rooknado OPFOR is Opposing Force so basically in training when you play bad guy you’re OPFOR and I’m pretty sure that we call unknown enemy combatants OPFOR as well but idk
I was wondering what UCP stood for. Now I know, cool!
Useless
Camo
Pattern
“What mountains are blue Greg?!?”
“The Smokey mountains?”
“THE *BLUE* SMOKEY MOUNTAINS? How is that going to help us in Afghanistan or Iraq?”
“… All mountains look the same…”
*has a stroke*
“DID YOU JUST SAY ALL MOUNTAINS LOOK THE SAME?!?”
The Universal Camo Pattern was appropriately named, because it worked equally everywhere.
When I was in the Marines, I thought that those 2 where the same pattern and it would just fade to gray.
Where? Really dude? It's WERE, Einstein.
As a civilian, I still like the Woodland Camo Pattern.
Works well at night. That’s about it imo
@@gpatty6538 are you referring to the Woodland Camo Pattern?
@@MaxCruise73 yes
@@gpatty6538 Thank you for your reply.
@@MaxCruise73 It is a bit dark when new. A well broken in, somewhat faded set of woodland BDUs blended a lot better.
Little more info for those out of the loop:
UCP fails as a camo pattern for two reasons: it has a bad color palette, and it uses a "digital" pattern.
UCP features too many gray and blue hues, resulting in the average color being a pale teal color.
A "Digital" pattern is the blocky pixellated style, which fails as a uniform pattern since it was designed for Naval Vessels.
More specifically!
Camouflage is designed to break up your silhouette by making parts of your body appear to be part of or concealed by the environment, even when you're partially exposed.
This means each blotch of color needs to be big enough to be seen, but not so big that one color dominates the others.
UCP fails due to its color blotches being way too small due to the sheer nature of "digital" camo, which was designed for Tanks and Naval vessels. When done properly, each "pixel" would be about a foot wide, and would align better with concrete buildings or the skyline.
On people? The sharp corners are really noticiable in natural terrain, and never align enough in urban areas. In order to pass the tests, the pixels had to be shrunk, but nobody bothered to update the size of the splotches themselves.
Wow that actually looks cool.... Never thought i would say that about ucp
my first deployment to Afghanistan was in ACUs and my second deployment was in multicam. I was blown away at what a big difference the multicam made. when we were dismounted it was much harder to see where my soldiers where and made keeping the wedge formation together a bit of a pain in the butt. I was thankful.
Love the UCP D, I wish I could find this kind of pieces down here
“DIG 1” im not sure if you are a nerd like me or not but the “DIG 2” camo pattern was tested by CAG during early GWOT days. Later evolving into the AOR1&2/Marpat camo patterns😊
UCP-D is bad ass. After years of looking I finally found a L/XL delta ACH cover, and it's my favourite piece in my collection. Even though it didn't beat out OCP I still think that it's a sick pattern.
What I love most about multicam more than the obviousness that the pattern and colors were so much better is that their is so much less Velcro bullshit to deal with since you can get a sewd on rank and nameplate.
Although Multicam (or the slightly modified OCP version of it) is a good pattern, if the U.S. enters a major conflict they might have to consider a new pattern again. Reason being because tons of armies have started using it as well so it’s gonna be hard to tell friend from foe when there’s 4 different armies running around in Multicam. Even some Russian SF units are using it.
Laughs in M81
Dyeing old UCP items with Rit Camel dye actually makes a decent camo. If you could tie-dye it, it would possibly be similar to UCP-D.
UCP-D looks like someone had a case of the runs while doing laundry
If only they made a digital version of the OCP pattern.
Unironically, UCP-D is probably one of my favorite camouflages.
Last to go through Basic Training in the green uniform....got my BDUs when I got back to my unit in 81. Seeing camouflage improvement over the decades....actually I'm impressed.
Thank you for your valiant peace-time service. We all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Ucp should have never been use in the us army. Cost many lives in afganistan. After BDU I BELIEVE MULTICAM WAS THE BEST UNIFORM TO REPLACE THE BDU. BUT UCP WAS JUST AN IDEA TO KEEP THE CONGRESSMAN COMPANIES EMPLOYED
Delta looks cool and if the bits were smaller I could see it working in a dry environment in the tropics
2009 one seems special force camouflage in SF movie! I personally love this look.
I saw a couple of guys wearing these in Afghanistan back in 2010 and I was amazed at how much just adding some brown made it look so much better and actually kind of effective
Honestly with a couple splotches more of dark coyote brown (or a faded espresso) and maybe a bit of sorta faded OD green (not as deep as the camo pattern the Marines use)
I could see it working in a rock garden-forest transitioning into urban engagement
Probably not for Afghanistan or Iraq, but definitely in northern countries, I know I'd love something like UCP-D or what I mentioned above when I go stealth camping here in the mountainous parts of Alberta during the winter-spring transition period where randomly it will rise to 3'C, do some freezing rain and make the ground muddy to then drop to -20'C, freeze everything and rise up to like -7'C to snow like hell before plummeting back down to -20'C
So a lot of white/grey, dark and light brown with occasional spatters of greens
I remember we put mud on our ACUs to camouflage during FTX lol
Yep. Met a few 82nd dudes that were rocking this in Afg 09-10. Wild to see in country
Also instant sub 🍻
Is this the legendary camo that only blends in only on that one couch
I remember the controversy back in the day ! the goody two shoes Hated Multicam so Much ! (multi cam was the most effective)
Multicam in my opinion is one of the best to date
At this point in time I was super nerdy about camo patterns . The army made " ArPat" and shortly after made army universal . Both were used at the same time . ArPat is the loam and tan , universal has darker green and added browns. Thing is it worked as intended, it failed to blend into environments . It was designed to trick Russian and Chinese night vision in lowlight situations by messing with the heavily pixelated picture they produced. It was in part from the color and in part from a uv/ir reflective treatment in the dye itself. If you want digital patterns that work to breakup a human silhouette against backgrounds , cadpat and marpat do it well in most non desert areas. Atacs green does well too. Crye Multicam is the first camo that actually blends people into the background . The dyes of true Multicam pic up ambient light from the surrounding environments and shows primarily as whatever they reflect. In a dense forest with lots of green , well,its going to be mostly green . Is it autumn ? Well, now you see browns ,tans and reds . Winter is the only time it doesn't blend without help . The old woodland camo is actually very good at what it does too. Breaks up the body outline against shadow and light . It's so good at what it does , seals,and s.o.f. still use it when they work in dense woodlands .
Okay, professor...
Kid: "Mom I want Marpat"
Mom: "We have Marpat at home."
Marpat at home:
This is how all my UCPs ended up looking after a couple weeks sleeping in the dirt
Looks like the camo the soldiers wore in the movie ‘Soldier’ with Kurt Russell
The old chocolate chip desert pattern holds a special place in my heart
That camo style would work kinda good wear I deer hunt. It would be cool to find somewhere someday. Interesting video as well!
It looks vaguely eastern European if that makes any sense. Like if the greens were darker it could totally be from there
i can totally see it. looks straight out of kosovo!
1/508 and 2/508 PIR got to test it in the RC South and West area. Came with TAP mag pouches along with the helmet covers. It… was different.
It didn't work as well as it could have. But it certainly worked better than regular UCP.
If you have any UCP left, you can dye it successfully with fiber reactive dyes. Camo browns and greens both work really well with it. Typically sold as tie dye, you can mix your pigment differently for different intensities of color
People are also using rit dye, but I’m hesitant due to the salt content and I’m curious if it reflects IR at all
I deployed with ACUs we crawled through the mud and dirt and stained them to help blend in. I kept one uniform clean to go home in.
UCP-D looks like a digitized muted flecktarn.
Looks a whole lot more pleasing
I like to use the ACU in the mountains Alaska cuz you blend in quite well around a lot of gray rocks
Just got some Urban digital camouflage but a lot of whitening so kind of looks like snow camouflage kind of cool I guess
Know someone who buys them surplus, dyes them with dark green and resells them. They also do it with normal ucp. It actually looks pretty cool and seems fairly popular and usable in woodland.
You can't buy UCP-D as "surplus"..... UCP yes, but this pattern, no. If he dyed this pattern green, he's a moron.
@@MikeB128 Maybe they aren't military surplus per say. LBT made a mountain of UCP D uniforms for a 2006 DoD contract and sell them off by weight if you know who to ask, Black bear tactical CO? They import LBT into Canada, think its where Crye gets their material for repro delta. Not as authentic or collectable maybe as stuff the DoD actually received and sent out but it all comes as per their standard.
Ngl that camo goes Hard AF.
It only "kind of works" whereas UCP just works. I've seen my battle buddies disappear against red brick, pine needles, spring or summer foliage, grass fields. I have been told it works in rocky or desert environments and we see it working (on both sides) in the Russo-Ukraine War. It doesn't do snow, black or gray concrete or anything that is overly striking colors.
I was the last class to go through Basic training on Benning issued BDUs Halfway through, they gave us all ACUs and we completely hated them. The only good thing about them was.... no more boot polishing.
The only time my ACUs were effective was when I stood against a 150 year old cracked, weathered, multi-toned wall. The ACU-Ds were really a relatively effective option.
The UCP program was not a bad idea; wat was bad was when top dogs decided to make it standard issue instead continue their search for a new uniform.
Honestly I thought my ucps blended pretty good in desert conditions once they got dirty, also my Fracus the different material they were made out of(it was thinner and more linen like) once they had been washed a couple of times instead of fading like the garrison uniforms they would get this grungy yellow tint to them and actually blended really well also when in basic at sand hill were doing react to contact drills where the “enemy” was dug in at the bottom of a draw of sorts and we were moving in squad wedges down the hill directly into them the area where we were doing this was dense rocky aspen forest so lots of white tree trunks with bright green contrast and exposed bed rock and it blended so well that we didn’t even see the guys dug even once they opened up on us it was like the rocks and trees were shooting I was really surprised at the effectiveness of it in that terrain
Definitely better than original, but it's hard to beat the Lord's flannel. I've got an old Marine set (no 8-point or boonie though) that my unit was going to throw away, glad I managed to save it.
Saying UCP wasn’t universal is quite the understatement. In many terrains UCP highlighted soldiers 🤦♂️
It’s like alpenflage meets Marpat. I don’t hate it though.
Reminds me of the episode of mash where they sneak radar into the officers club. They were testing a new rank. 🤣
Absolutely love your videos!
Thanks man!
The only branch that seems to understand camouflage even to this day is the Marine Corps. All terrain works for vehicles but not for camouflage.
I like that version - and more than the multicam
Multicam was such a relief after the first tour in acu. Nothing says northern ghazni like acu pattern
Digi-cam was the single biggest con in American military history I swear
It just looks like a dirty UCP.
Universal Camo Pattern - D (the "D" stands for dirty)
That camo pattern was chosen for the same reason that the helmets were made to cover less of the head, and body armor was shrunk down to little more than a bib. If you know you know.
Ucp delta looks pretty damn good
From far away IT reminds a little bit on the German flecktarn.
I like that way better, not better than multicam but it's still nice
Feel like a green dyed UCP-D Would be pretty good in a forested area. Also is it just me, or does anyone else think that there's a correlation between how effective a camo is and how cool a camo is?
Looks like the love child of marines camo and army’s
The fugging button and collar 😂😭
It's my favorite camo pattern in wildlands