French Friday: Feckless Politicians & Fearful Churches

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  • @monzorella1
    @monzorella1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys are back ❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @lindadodson1586
    @lindadodson1586 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I'm listening to this and thinking of my Christian MAGAbot friends who are so brainwashed by Trump that they excused him swearing in a church. These friends are not stupid, but they're not intellectual. Their thought processes are what David mentioned--anything that comes up against what they believe elicits an emotional reaction in them. They are unable to take a step back and think "hey, I disagree with what that person said but let me look at it more closely to see if I can learn something." Their reactions are almost instinctive, without much thinking but rather a reaction to trigger words.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@michaelward7051lol and Republican voters haven't been brainwashed about Trump? Y'all are in a cult.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@michaelward7051 it wasn't exactly a secret that Biden stutters, especially in high pressure situations. It wasn't a secret that Biden is old and has senior moments. Who are these Democrat voters who didn't know this?

  • @chappellroseholt5740
    @chappellroseholt5740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good afternoon from the beautiful SF Bay Area. I could sit and talk with the two of you for hours. My Presbyterian minister/counselor father is rolling over in his grave over all of this. I grew up in an Evangelical (Billy Graham) family and mentally left it when I was about 10 and my mother could not confirm that our Catholic neighbors were going to heaven. I've sought a spiritual path for 60 years that is not dependant on these sorry denominations who have totally forgotten Jesus and his teachings. Thank you for the deep conversation and thinking. Blessings.

  • @bkucenski
    @bkucenski 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    St. Augustine and the Christians of his time lived through the fall of Rome. We have a completely dysfunctional government at this point. The voters for decades have run the car forwards and backwards and refuse to just move forward out of the ditch. All immigration laws are runaway slave laws. We could use biometrics to track people coming and going and use our resources to go after people who are actual criminals. We waste ridiculous amounts of human hours on prosecuting people who just want to move between countries and live a normal life.

  • @generobinson4441
    @generobinson4441 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I agree that the primaries are important in providing a better choice of candidates in the general election. But as an independent voter in Ohio I am not invited to participate. The result is that come November i can only vote for the least offensive person to represent me!

    • @hgservices5572
      @hgservices5572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Trump for the win

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@hgservices5572lol voting for fascism is bad.

    • @ShaunCKennedyAuthor
      @ShaunCKennedyAuthor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's why I'm voting Skye Jethani for president this time.

    • @BighomieRich
      @BighomieRich 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That’s why you register with the party that’s more likely to win in the general and exert influence there

  • @JohnThomas-ut3go
    @JohnThomas-ut3go 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was 100% with both in the first half of the conversation till French said cancel culture was born in social media online. There are many many negatives to social media as it exist now. Mainly due to the algorithms used. One thing it isn't is the birth place of cancel culture. Before social media existed their was cancel culture and it almost always radiated from the church. The church had the communities, the networks, the labor to spead messages calling for boycotts of products and people. The labor to engage in writing campaigns to flood business and politicians with negative opinions on a variety of topics, products, companies and people. I cant say modern cancel culture originated in the church, but they embraced it long before the first online social media. There are also many historical examples of the church using it and the governments power to silence people.

  • @widsomseries
    @widsomseries 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If everything has been completely defined by the Fundamentalists... why does anyone need faith? If they are completely certain ..... then there's no need for faith. Living a life of faith means living with uncertainty and following the model that Jesus showed us. We have an epidemic of judgement in this country and it's even worse in some of the faith communities. That is not our job and that's made very clear in the Bible.

    • @widsomseries
      @widsomseries 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michaelward7051 I was just using that term since that was the term used in this discussion and I wanted to align to what they were saying.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@michaelward7051what conspiracies do you believe in? Just the ones you're told to believe by the right?

  • @JohnThomas-ut3go
    @JohnThomas-ut3go 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    He is wrong about markers like the black square. He is far to the right wing in most ways so its unsurprising he would choose this topic to critique even though there are plenty of right wing examples.
    The thing is these markers show social acceptance. They work to show others that beliefs are socially acceptable abd increase the populations that support the ideas behind them. Its aong standing social engineering tool. Remember tying yellow ribbons, then everyone had to have those ribbon magnets, now there is a ribbon magnet to show support for anything. Once the population of support grows to a certain tipping point the social and political ideologies on these topics will change. It becomes inevitable.
    It also serves as markers for those feeling under attack to find safe space to exist. Like circling the wagons. Its well known much if not most the black community feelscseperate and under constant presure from so many angles. Police and judicial bias against them, open racism from many communities, inequality in housing and poverty stemming from centuries of racism. The christian church does this too. They mostly manufacture their oppression but that doesnt make their feelings less real. Theres many markers used there toov the cross, the fish, bible verses, etc. The thing is as more negative information about the church comes out Christians & Christian spaces are seen as less and less safe so these emblem s dont positively engineer society in their favor any longer. Scandal after scandal involving herific abuse of children, mental and emotional manipulation, knowingly manipulating women to stay in abbusive marriages, covering for and covering up monsters in their leadership and congrigations, raising the monsters back up after only the slightest vaneer of reform and almost never any justice for victims, and the rejection of marginalized groups due to modern reinterpritations of the bible not based on cultural understandings at the time but modern ideas of disgust or political positions.

  • @lindadodson1586
    @lindadodson1586 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am registered as an independent voter in Pennsylvania and cannot vote in the primaries because we have closed primaries.

    • @BighomieRich
      @BighomieRich 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe consider registering for either one and voting for whoever seems the most sensible to you..registering for a party is not a marker on your soul

  • @kicsms_science3729
    @kicsms_science3729 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for explaining the SCOTUS decision - it was very helpful!

  • @JohnThomas-ut3go
    @JohnThomas-ut3go 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    As to the evangelical and fundamentalist divide. As a person not within either of the 2 groups i can't tell the difference between them. I see no real doctrinal seperation between the 2. They seem to have embraced the same political and religious ideas. If its just the degree of nationalism or violence then there really is no difference. The non violent non nationalist wing will justify the nationalist and violece wing.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly. Fundamentalists are just louder evangelicals.

    • @adamrshields
      @adamrshields 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It is not theology but attitude and approach to the world that is the divide between evangelical and fundamentalist.
      As an example fundamentalists opposed ecumenical work with other Christians. While evangelicals view ecumenical work as building the larger body.
      The problem is that fundamentalist became a bad word and so many fundamentalists adopted evangelical without changing any beliefs or approaches to living out their faith.

    • @JohnThomas-ut3go
      @JohnThomas-ut3go 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@adamrshields That is what they call spiting hairs I think. If the biggest difference is that one side doesn't like to be inclusive of other Christiaan belief but the other one is yet they hold nearly identical theologies there is no difference to the world outside of the evangelical fundaments.

    • @adamrshields
      @adamrshields 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JohnThomas-ut3go maybe but the approach matters to how outsiders perceive them. Ecumenical Evangelicals are largely known for social good. Fundamentals are largely withdrawn or authoritarian. But when bother groups call themselves evangelical it is easy to mistake them for one another from the outside.
      I don’t want to minimize the reality that even ecumenical evangelicals have been on the wrong side of many issues, (and that I largely think the term has been so corrupted as to be unhelpful) but I do think there is an underlying reality to the split that deserves attention because if you are trying to reform, mislabeling is not a way to gain credibility to help people toward change.

    • @JohnThomas-ut3go
      @JohnThomas-ut3go 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@adamrshields I see the problem here. You are inside. Inside there may look to be a big divide. Outside it doesn't look that way. There is little PR that puts any air between evangelicals and fundamentalist. There is little on social media that shows any real spilt. When pasters or preachers do speak against fundamentalist they are fired or lose enough of their congregations it becomes difficult for them to maintain a church. This of course drives out any moderating influence.
      The main take away from this response is that only the fundamentalist evangelicals are every really visible. Even on this show which many fundamentalist would call liberal they are very far to the right. They still take up many of the positions that fundamentalist do. Like the way they defended JK Rowling's dehumanizing campaign against trans people. A campaign designed and meant to cause harm. And so many other issues here. They claim evangelical, but I can not see any real effective difference between their brand of evangelical and fundamentalism except a mild rejection of nationalism. Other than that they are much the same ideologically as far as I can tell.
      To the out side they ae one in the same. There is no light between what they believe on most theology.

  • @Gameroomschoolhouse
    @Gameroomschoolhouse 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Now I want to ask my pastor what he thinks of David French 😂

    • @kicsms_science3729
      @kicsms_science3729 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I thought that, too! 😄

    • @antifoxist
      @antifoxist 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What does your jpastor think of a RAPIST president.

  • @alliematt1016
    @alliematt1016 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So, David & Skye, what do we do?
    I’m not an influencer, I only have one vote, Trump has a big mouth and his followers are hypnotized. (I am one of those who vote in primaries. :) )
    I’m a Christian and I’m afraid. I should not be but I am. I have a disabled son and also multiple health problems of my own. I’m exhausted from the last almost 15 years of contentious politics. I’ve wanted out of the US but I can’t leave. I’ve lost relationships due to politics and there are people that I have to hold my peace around.
    (BTW, I’m a current member of a “progressive” Church of Christ.)

    • @ShaunCKennedyAuthor
      @ShaunCKennedyAuthor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vote Skye Jethani for president!

    • @BighomieRich
      @BighomieRich 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Regarding just voting in general elections ….Vote down ballot for candidates who show that they have character, have respect for institutions, and treats the marginalized the best compared to others on the ballot…

    • @christianchin-ups
      @christianchin-ups 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@ShaunCKennedyAuthorLiterally wouldn't vote for him to be a pastor, let alone a president

    • @bobbobberson5627
      @bobbobberson5627 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stop thinking you are somehow involved in politics. You don’t have any effect on anything.
      Leave your progressive church for a more traditional tradition.
      Eat less.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@bobbobberson5627tradition is nothing more than peer pressure from dead people.

  • @pastorofmuppets8834
    @pastorofmuppets8834 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So, appreciate your input as usual David but I'd really like to hear why the genocide in Gaza isn't really on your radar, and perhaps this episode was recorded too early but we really need to talk about loss of freedom of the press with Julian Assange now free but allegedly guilty for calling out, again, war crimes.
    Why is no one interested?
    Why is no one listening to Bernie Sanders?

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@michaelward7051how do you define genocide?

  • @viennehaake9149
    @viennehaake9149 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Skye doesnt let David talk enough.

    • @christianchin-ups
      @christianchin-ups 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Skye likes to hear the sound of his own voice

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@christianchin-upslots of people do.

  • @robertgalindo5979
    @robertgalindo5979 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What is the answer to those on the left who cynically think, and I agree with this too some extant, that since the legislature is so stacked against the left it only makes sense for the left to minimise the power of the legislature and maximize the power of POTUS?
    It has been awhile but from what I recall the Senators that blocked Merrick Garlands nomination represented 140 million people and the Senators who would have voted for him represented 180 million people.
    Sure POTUS has the electoral college which is also biased against left voters but the bias isn't nearly as big as the one the Senate has.
    Well? What do you have to say to those of us that don't think people's vote who happen to live next to a corn field should count for more?
    You can go "bla, bla, bla not how the Constitution was written, bla, bla, bla" but the Constitutional order in the context where one state has 75x the population of another is fundamentally broken. Don't talk to me about the Constitution until Washington D.C. is admitted into the union as 3 or 4 states.
    The Advisory Opinions podcast catchphrase of "Congress do your job!" is completely unequal to the problems faced.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      As someone on the left, I can tell you that I don't want more power concentrated into the executive branch. That road leads to dictatorship.

    • @robertgalindo5979
      @robertgalindo5979 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@averageuser4367 I mean for me the choice between a tyranny of the minority and the tyranny of one guy chosen by 52% of the population isn't a clear cut choice. I would rather the Senate just not exist most of all.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@robertgalindo5979I hear you on that. Who could've guessed that a system of government set up by wealthy slave owners who set it up as a tax evasion scheme wouldn't turn out to be fair and equitable?

    • @ShaunCKennedyAuthor
      @ShaunCKennedyAuthor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a centrist, I'm voting for Skye Jethani this time.

    • @BighomieRich
      @BighomieRich 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Though I agree with your analysis that “congress do your job” is inadequate I’ll put my own spin to it.. “congress do you job” can more often than not come off as bothsidesism, there are factions in congress who are dead set against working with people that disagree with them…and more specifically the group who doesn’t want to compromise are disproportionately far right while the center right has been downplaying the issue and hyperfixating on the far left as if they hold serious leadership positions in the democrat party
      I’ll say it like this…just the other day Jamal bowman lost a primary for being too far left and voting against bipartisan legislation while Lauren bobert won a election yet having no written bills passed even through committee to be voted on in the house… there’s an imbalance here that’s striking..

  • @guywinters5939
    @guywinters5939 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The repeal of the bump-stock ban makes me feel so much safer.
    Not.

    • @guywinters5939
      @guywinters5939 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And I still have my notebook from the "Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts." I had problems with it in the 1979s and the problems have just grown over the last fifty years. Still I have friends who elevate it next to Scripture.

  • @hgservices5572
    @hgservices5572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    “ …. We finally beat Medicare….”
    - Joe Biden 2024 😐

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At least his party isn't trying to get rid of "entitlements".

    • @hgservices5572
      @hgservices5572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ok….
      Biden literally said this last night . It was embarrassing

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@hgservices5572I'm well aware. I watched it too. Of course Donald Trump is good at convincing other people. He's been a con artist his whole life. That doesn't mean he should be elected.

    • @Living_Water274
      @Living_Water274 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hgservices5572 lol thank you make me laugh

    • @hgservices5572
      @hgservices5572 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 least someone has a sense of humor . I’m working on t shirts and bumper stickers that say just this . Loved trumps response to this the other night . Biden said ,” … I finally beat Medicare …” and Trump responded ,” Yeah, you beat it to death zzz” 😂😂😂😂

  • @christianchin-ups
    @christianchin-ups 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Noy much to say about the debate? They still need time to spin it it would seem

    • @DJMcNutty
      @DJMcNutty 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      0:50 “So we’re recording this the 20th.” (6/20/24)

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@DJMcNutty very bold of you to think that those who criticize this podcast actually watch it.

    • @christianchin-ups
      @christianchin-ups 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@averageuser4367 Prove I dont.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christianchin-ups I actually know that you watch it. Whether or not you understand it is another matter, but I know that you watch it. You have to get clips for your propaganda channel somehow.

    • @christianchin-ups
      @christianchin-ups 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@averageuser4367 Critiques yes, if it is incorrect feel free to demonstrate to everyone where. Otherwise, I can throw insults around too, that's easy. Proving your point, that actually matters.
      Do something that matters averageuser

  • @cecilwinthorp4038
    @cecilwinthorp4038 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How to mandate this viewing to K-12 for the next 30 years since we current voters have unequivocally failed our republic.

  • @hgservices5572
    @hgservices5572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Rights come from God not the state

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The state can limit those rights, though, especially when it's an authoritarian one.

    • @hgservices5572
      @hgservices5572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So you agree?

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@hgservices5572​ it would depend on what you mean by "rights". I find it more helpful to analyze society in terms of positive freedom and negative freedom.

    • @hgservices5572
      @hgservices5572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I speak of natural rights as a creature created by God.
      Even more than that, on what grounds would other rights be grounded ?

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@hgservices5572by that definition, they would have to come from God, but they can still be limited by the state.

  • @2serve4Christ
    @2serve4Christ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thou shalt not #kill. (Exodus 20:13) / Thou shalt not [be complicit in #genocide].
    More than 14,500 #children killed in #Gaza. The latest #death toll stands at 35,287 #Palestinians and 1,139 people killed in #Israel since October 7. (2024.05.07)

    • @JohnThomas-ut3go
      @JohnThomas-ut3go 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are as complicit as anyone in the genocide. Assuming you are not a bot, or a foreign agent executing a AIPAC information campaign designed to get Trump elected. If you are an American you benefit from US foreign policy. It isnt Bidens policy to support Isreal. It is US foreign policy. That means any and all president would have to follow it or be impeached. Some would assist Netanyahu at every chance giving him free reign to murder Palestinians and provide him with the weapons to fo ot cruelly and quickly letting Russia do the same in Ukraine. Others would work to council against Netanyahu's path, engage neighboring nations to come together, work toward a Palestinian state and true peace not just another ceasefire where Isreal is in control of life and death, and slow walk getting offensive arms to Isreal.
      I don't think you are a real person. I think you are an AIPAC bot.

    • @JohnThomas-ut3go
      @JohnThomas-ut3go 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @michaelward1341 The president is not paying for the genocide. The tax payers are. That budget for genocide is set by your representative and senators. That means that you are supporting and funding the genocide. The president, no matter who has to do whit that funding what congress allotted it to or they would be impeached and removed from office. It's their job after all to execute the laws that congress passes. Presidents do not make law or set budgets.
      The president is a distraction. Look at what Bidens team has been trying to do. They have argued against every move Netanyahu has made. They have worked with neighboring nations to get aid and set up agreements for security not controlled by Israel. They have significantly delayed shipment of offensive weapons making it more difficult for Netanyahu to execute the genocide as quickly as he would have liked.
      And, yes he has been executing the US foreign policy as he is legally obligated to do. He has been executing the bills passed by congress as he is legally required to do. There is no one you can get in to the office of the president, even if by some miracle you could get your perfect choice in there that would be able to do any different. If they tried they would be impeached with in weeks and removed from office.
      So yes, if you are working against Biden then Trump is the next most likely person to win and he has stated his support for the genocide and aiding in it as best he can. So yes that is my argument. If you work or vote against Biden you are contributing to the genocide.
      There is also this, if you are unwilling to vote for Biden you have no leverage to shift his position. You are irrelevant. Many of the moderate Dem voters are supporters of Israel still. The moderate swing voters are supportive of Israel. If you are not on his side then to get votes he has to move right.
      Look at the media, most the anti Biden material is very reminiscent of the last batch of foreign interference in the elections. There have already been discovered AI bots. AIPAC is known to be funding and working against anyone not fully in support of Israel's genocide. Israel gets a free hand if Biden loses. Think about that to.
      If you are a real person and not an AI bot and you want to make change voting against Biden wont do it. You are to late to make any difference in this election. What needs done is hard on the ground work. Work to change the way people in your state think and running candidates that meet the ethics you demand. It isn't quick. Its long hard work and it needs done all year long every year. Not just election time. When you change local and state then you can change congress. Congress set the laws, they can change them. There is no quick way. You can not stop what is happening now. Heck, no nation or country is willing to do that. This will play out one way or another. The only question is how it ends. Will there be any palestinians left? Will Israel take all the area for themselves? If there is a Palestinian people still there what will happen next time?
      This does not end without a plan in place like Biden is pushing for. A Palestinian state. Administered by Palestinians, Not an open air prison. With a local international security force, not an Israeli security force.
      Yes I am saying if you are working against Biden you are working for the genocide.

  • @AnnaJackson-bv8rv
    @AnnaJackson-bv8rv 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    David's conversation about Congress needing to assume it's decision making power rather than conceding it to the executive branch and administrative state sounds a lot like Project 2025's underlying premise for disantling the administrative state. Does this mean he is in favor of it?

  • @ShaunCKennedyAuthor
    @ShaunCKennedyAuthor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Skye Jethani for president!

  • @MichaelJohnson-vi6eh
    @MichaelJohnson-vi6eh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love Skyes idea about the cheesecake factory

  • @Living_Water274
    @Living_Water274 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Here is your challenge read your Bible. For one the homosexual argument is finished. Like I said just read your Bible.

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I read my Bible, and it doesn't say that.

    • @Living_Water274
      @Living_Water274 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@averageuser4367
      So at this point in time it’s like 50-50 but you’re AI agent. With an anti-Christian agenda. Just in case you’re human. Here’s the info. This is how doctors are developed. By reading the Bible. Also you can never say it doesn’t say that ever again without being a liar which is also a sin.
      Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
      Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
      Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
      Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
      Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
      Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
      1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
      1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
      2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

    • @hgservices5572
      @hgservices5572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s true , the Bible is clear on the issue . Anyone who thinks it’s lawful action is either unstudied, ignorant, delusional or reprobate

    • @averageuser4367
      @averageuser4367 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@hgservices5572the Bible is also "clear" about how we can treat our slaves too.
      There is no better indication to me that someone doesn't know the Bible or hermeneutics very well than for them to say that it's "clear" on something.

    • @Living_Water274
      @Living_Water274 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@averageuser4367 Here’s the problem you seem to come in with commentary and hypothetical hermeneutics. What is your hermeneutical approach?
      You might be being confused because hermeneutics don’t tell you whether an idea is true they just clarify the thinking of the individual who has the interpretation. Hermeneutics are not authoritative. Truth is authoritative.