Presidential Debates Weren’t Always This Awful | NYT Opinion
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Media: kills debate formula.
Also Media: Who killed the debate formula? The new one sucks!
*shoots debate formula*
How could Millenials do this?
Yeah, absolutely. It's only media's fault for that candidates have a nasty behavior and insult directly each other.
This comment is kinda the problem.
Blaming the media is a way of deflecting from the fact that the consumers are the problem. They've become more radical and more polarised.
The media meets the demand.
They could cut the mic when debaters go off the rails.
And the media could report without bias instead of being so brazenly partisan and beholden to obvious corporate interests.
The media has a LOT of responsibility for the polarization and extremism in ideology these days. It’s your fault NYT.
It is the fault of Fox News
Thank you. It's literally only the media's fault
I find it hilarious that a company driven by drama is complaining about it. You take the drama way, you're left with a blank front page from the NYT.
American brain rot spreading worldwide, Sad to see
Yeah sure, not the utterly unhinged reality tv show star-turned president, Donald trump…
People never want to take responsibility for anything these days. Polarisation isn’t the fault of the media; people wanting everything to be sensational is the root cause. People voted trump because he was entertaining, loud and charismatic; not because his ideas were even remotely good.
"Candidates used to respect each other."
-NYT, 2024
"You hatchet-faced nutmeg dealer!"
-Stephen A. Douglas, 1858, to Abraham Lincoln
Douglas really used the “this guy sold me fentanyl in high school” roast 😂
@@JGmoney88 To his credit, Lincoln could fire back. When accused of being two-faced, he replied “If I had two faces, do you really think I’d wear this one?”
@@timesnewlogan2032Not from a President but Lincoln’s quip reminded me of “If I picked my nose, I wouldn’t have picked this one”.
@@user-kl6ef1tn5g Ha! I’ll have to remember that one!
Yes, candidates also used to disrespect each other. But we did not make a national spectacle of it. We didn't encourage it. We didn't laud it. Everyone considered it "dirty," something you did but did shamefully. I don't think there's any shame attached to it anymore.
Jimmy Carter would always refer to his opponent as “My distinguished opponent.” Always very respectful.
That’s why he’s the longest living ex-president and will hold that record for generations to come. The scary part is if he were 10 years younger he’d still be more competent to run the country than that degenerate that’s responsible for January 6th.
Except when he mentioned that great Democrat, Hubert Horatio Hornblower!
@@jeffputman3504 lol i feel so bad for him for messing up on that
Too bad he was the second worst president of modern times after the 46th. 😂
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Thank you NYT, CNN, and Fox News for pinning the entire country against each other. Divide and conquer
I swear both sides teamed up to destabilise the country while they make billions.
god bless corporate news
Well, I wouldn't say Fox News.
@@jankoleon3785well I would.
@@jankoleon3785nice bait
The fact that this is coming from NYT is an irony of the highest order.
How so
@@amyh9512cause they are a liberal media
@@ivanthecheese9119The media isn’t a monolith, if TV news disappeared today it would be a great financial windfall for The NY Times.
@@ivanthecheese9119 it's unfortunate you don't understand the hypocrisy of your claim but that's what con ser vac rap media has done to you and the OP.
@@ivanthecheese9119 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OK comrade 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The problem was when we started celebritizing presidents instead of holding them all to higher standards.
I mean, I think that didn't help. But there is a lot more that has brought us to this point.
We literally voted for a reality TV star to run the country for 4 years, and he very well may win again.
I don't like Biden, but man, reality TV star president? That is as low as it goes.
Now I wasn't born till 10 years after he was assassinated but was it during JFK that the President was looked at more like a celebrity?
So nobody celebrated George Washington? That's ridiculous.
The NY Times salivates at the chance to slam Donald Trump. And it's embarrassing.
And Fox does the same for democrats. It’s almost as if media has a standpoint!
They really don’t.
"Candidates used to respect each other" 😂 *Andrew Jackson has entered the chat*
Back in the good ole days
Dueling was incredibly respectful.
I mean, that's why people didn't really like him
@@AnnoyingAllie3 He wasn't the only one throwing insults. The most nasty ones were insults and false accusations against him and his wife
Oh, OK. I guess Andrew Jackson was a bad person. Therefore, it’s acceptable to have crappy debates where nothing of value gets said. #logic
You know it's bad when the current generation of politicians make Nixon look like a boy scout
LOL true and Bill Clinton getting BJs in the Oval office doesn't seem as big now compared to what is going in DC today.
If you look at the impeachment statistics of recent political figures, removal of office after impeachment was a matter of saving face and impeachment was not the badge of honor it is today.
Growing up is realizing Nixon was the good guy
@@GhostofJamesMadisonnah he got rid of gold standard
Yeah not only did he take away precious precious metals to back up our currency. He also signed the HMO bill which allowed his buddy Kaiser of Kaiser Permanente Insurance to be able to become a for-profit medical insurance company. 50 years ago most hospitals non-profit as well as the medical insurance companies. So Nixon signed the HMO Bill he made medicine a for-profit industry and that's how these parasitic ghouls stand between you and your doctors and your health care and your life expectancy. Nixon was a paranoid piece of s***
Everyone argues like a child for 30 minutes and we just pick who screams the loudest.
45-"No. WRONG. No you!!!"
MAGA -"wow he totally OWNED her"
🙄
@Hillary4SupremeRuler its better then ole poo poo pants joe
Fr. Nowadays, we choose the winner of the debate by whose clips are most viral on the internet for the next week.
Thats absolutely NOT how it happens.
If thats your thought process, youre a problem.
@@Hillary4SupremeRuler Yeah, it had nothing to do with the substance of the discussion at all.
Thats how you demonize half the country, by creating caricatures of them that have no relation to reality.
If I was called a liar and I wasn't, I'd come out fighting too
The problem is they're all liers
I wish debates were actually debates and not a room full of children screaming and interrupting each other.
Don't insult children like that. 😉
But that’s not what the average American tunes in for, they want blood.
@@drippyspaff7616 A lot of people are sick of it.
@@bobbyadkins6983 then they should stop voting for these people?
@@bobbyadkins6983why podcasts with long form conversations without constant interruptions have become popular
It's no longer a debate. It's just an argument
That’s literally what a debate is
@@lucristianx sorry. I mean it's more like a fight and it seems quite juvenile and unprofessional.
@@jeremiekonegni4957 got it
@@lucristianxthere's an _obvious_ difference between a "debate" and an "argument." Everyone knows that, don't start with semantics tomfoolery.
Well the moderators use to be unbiased and neutral. Soon as that ship sailed it became a name calling contest.
I can’t stand how the world is now. Kids aren’t even gonna know what ladies and gentlemen are anymore.
Social media is changing how we treat each other and what's acceptable
"would you shut up man" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Legendary comeback!
Can't blame the man
@@IItzCaptain first sentence he spoke correctly since he was born!
honestly don’t like the guy but biden was so real for that lmfao
@@letitswissarmy facts. It was like he was dealing with a 5 year old 🤣
Donald trump saying “wrong” is still the funniest thing lol
"Don't be rude, don't be rude"
His tactic is to just drown the other person with as much BS as possible not a fan of Biden but for once I agree “will you just shut up man”
E
And he was right
Especially because everything he says is wrong lmao
I remember my grandfather telling me that the media used to also be polite and chill. He said that most interviews with politicians or even the president were held over a nice dinner or an evening drink.
"will you shut up man" is the closest Biden ever got to besting Trump in debate. Actually pretty funny 😂
Honestly lol, trump yapped too much
The fact that you think that 'wins a debate' is exactly why we're fked.
Blame politicians all you want - I'm blaming the public.
God everyone an American opens there mouth the stupidest crap flys out. You are literally part of the problem dude. American presidents are a joke nowadays, and it's horrifying that the next election is gonna be between these same clowns again.
If you notice Obama wasnt comfortable addressing the other candidate directly and it was the "News" that changed the game and how its played.
In that Obama - Romney Debate (2012), candidate Jill Stein (Green Party) was handcuffed and shackled to a chair in an undisclosed location along with her VP candidate - Cheri Honkala - for 8 hours for the "crime" of attempting to participate in said debate which she recieved U.S. tax payer govt. matching funds expressly for. She was told it was "a private event" ... the U.S. Presidential Debate.
"I knew President Kennedy. President Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no John Kennedy."
jack Kennedy*
@@porkyminchasc1150his first name is indeed John Fitzgerald Kennedy !! But I like calling him jack too
@@jeffersondeleon925 no, I'm saying that in the quote he was referencing, the quote was "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy"
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'will you shut up man!!?' perfect roast. Thanks Biden.
"Will you shutup man." 😂
Thanks for pointing out the idiocy behind both parties NYTimes.
@@ANIMATIONWEB3delusional take
@@DividedKingdomnot really
Edit: it’s the Dems btw
@@foolishprodkeep yourself divided, it's the same party
@foolishprod sorry, who did yall vote in as speaker? And what did you do to him? That's not idiocy?
@@dengar96 the fact that we had the balls to actually take accountability and fixed a mistake? Ya you guys are real good at not doing that and holding office with the worst person possible for as long as possible (ex: Nancy Pelosi). And now that we made the switch to someone 10x more aggressive and 10x less likely to agree with Biden, this country is one step closer to having freedom again and you can’t stand it.
Obama did have respect for McCain, as Obama was actually at his funeral.
Because McCain had respect for Obama and our electoral processes.
More like they were both a member of the uniparty@@dengar96
More like Obama wanted to make sure he got buried
Rubbish
he’s dead?!
By the way who said ‘Shut up!’ … yes it was Joe.
"Will you shut up, man" LMFAO I love it
Love how NYT ignores both the radicalization of mainstream politics and their profiting off of sensationalism.
We wouldn’t be here without your actions
It's there because people love to hear Trump call other people names. This isn't on the news outlets, it's people who tune into these news that are at fault, for example MAGA voters.
@@christianjensen952🤣 somebody’s a cnn fan
@@signaturedetailaz I'm Danish bud, but we suffer from your stupidity.
This didn't start because of Trump, it started because of these media companies@@christianjensen952
@@signaturedetailaz drrrr...rrt.. cnn.... got...em....
Lots of people blame Donald Trump here, but let’s be totally honest, the media jumped on his back way more than any other presidential candidate from the get-go.
Bingo
Okay but any other presidential candidate didn't run their mouths nearly as much or continually spout easily disproven "facts" over and over again. I'm not for any candidate but you can't honestly tell me he didn't deserve that.
Every presidential candidate is subject to scrutiny from the media and from political opponents, and if there's anything to criticize, then it will be exposed and criticized. The difference with Trump was that there is SO much genuinely wrong with him. If the media appeared to "jump on his back way more than any other presidential candidate", it's because they had good reason to. And now, even more so.
@@AJeziorski1967 “if there’s anything to criticise, then it will be exposed’. Is that so? Joe Biden is CLEARLY mentally unfit for the role of president. The man has some form of dementia without doubt.
His son has been embroiled in a scandal for how many years regarding (now proven) funding he has received from Ukrainian and Chinese foreign interests. Joe Biden refuted these claims years ago, and has now been proven to have lied.
Then there’s the issue of the infamous laptop, which doesn’t get called out all that often does it.
@@edwardschulte9230so true dude but when Joe Biden eats ice cream nobody bats an eye. If it was Donald trump the headlines would be wild. Remember when he went golfing one time and the media freaked out? Lmao. Joe fell off his bike and nobody raised any questions about his cognitive decline?
maturity is dead. there are no adults left in the room it seems.
Trump 2024 🇺🇸
Also back then NY Times wasn’t as full of BS as it is now
it was always bs they just stop trying recently
Our politicians don't want to end none of the problems facing this country because it brings in votes and attention that's why almost all politicians are basically extremists doing absolutely nothing, our political parties might aswell be companies that choose who can be president because the only difference between them is which elites and corporations they work and lobby for but people love to eat the bs they feed us on both sides, no one wants to admit their party has lied to us
I’m “libral” and I can’t stand ny times. I usually read the guardian
I believe it was the NYT that once ran a communist propaganda piece for the soviet union... that was quite a long time ago. So, no
Wdym
I'm so glad the media companies helped push the Culture war that divided us
Examples?
Clicks! We get clicks! Ad revenue nom nom!!!!!! Money in Switzerland, just in case...
Crooks had some honor back then
The NY Times actually thinks this all began when candidates could address each other instead of the moderator. BAHAHAHAHAHA! 😂😂
And journalists used to be about reporting the truth.
People don't want the truth.
How About the FACTS !
I stopped watching debates years ago. It’s all BS. Nobody ever changes their minds. I look at data and policy points.
I believe the debates are there strictly for entertainment purposes.
@@davidharrison7014 say what you will about Trump but he made the debates funny. I like watching people with scripted, talking points start stuttering because they are off script
@@2steaksandwiches665I believe the stutter is in the script
Blaming Donald trump for this is crazzzy bro 💀
The window was opened with Bush
The door with Obama
Trump came and the whole foundation was blown away
I agree Obama fault
Biden tried to rebuild it
@@stephengeraghty5358no it was Trump's fault
@@HELLOOOOOOO00 "nO iTs TrUmPs FaUlT" ☝️🤓
@@HELLOOOOOOO00I agree Obama's fault🤭
The good 'ole days of civil discourse. I won't even watch a debate anymore. It's embarrassing and pathetic.
Agreed! We all agree and disagree on things but that doesn’t mean we need to make a scene. Sometimes it feels like America is at another civil war
All you learn from these gongshows anymore is who's louder. I view them as entertainment, watching people double my age with Ivy League degrees act half my age.
It’s like they think they’re on a reality show now
"would you shut up man" best line of any debate 😆😆
" What's this clown doing? " " Will you shut up man " Best line ever...Biden took the words right out of my mouth!!
Clearest thing he’s said in 10 years
"Would you shut up man" is my favorite Biden Momento.
Best moment lol beyond that it’s all cognitive decline and dementia
What's a "momento"?
Momento: Spanish for moment.
Apparently, it's the OPs favorite Biden moment.
My favorite Biden moment is when he said he didn't want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle!!
Saying that probably won him the election
Trump’s “Wrong” 😂😂😂
Donald Trump had points, though.
He says what other politicians are afraid to say.
Back when they would debate policy and not trash talk each other
I think when they trash each other on stage it shows us how they're actually mostly failures in office tbh.
TRUMP 2024 he didn't debate.
@@Sanyu-TumusiimeBecause he doesn't know what he's talking about 😂😂
TRUMP poll numbers went up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 @@Kisha_can
@Sanyu-Tumusiime that's why he didn't use insults last election or the one before that
@@Sanyu-Tumusiimespam your slogans 🥶
My favorite quote:
"Will you shut up, man"
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Yeah right, blame Trump... What else did you expect from NYTimes?
My dad said that back in his day, it was normal for two candidates to argue against each other, then go get a steak afterward.
Oh, how the times have changed...:(
Yeah. It is a disgrace. We used to have class.
We used to not demonise the leading candidate with lies and propaganda or try to destroy his campaign with false charges
@tiffanyroberts6460 i think people are just desperate to keep an unqualified candidate out of office
Thanks to Trump. He’s a double edged sword for politics
@@tiffanyroberts6460We used to respect the actual President. The right has eliminated that whole notion, right down the drain.
@@cjuare123 the double edged sword of being a great president and exposing how broken the system is and those who have spent the last 50 years breaking it.
Your fault . Trump 24 baby
Then came Donald and saved us all
Saying Donald Trump was the downfall of civilized debates is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I’m 33 years old and cannot, in my adult life, remember ever hearing or watching a debate or political campaign that did anything except attempt to smear the credibility and reputation of the opposing candidate. And since we’re on the subject of credibility and reputation, the media as a collective has lost every shred of theirs in the last decade through political bias and sensationalism. To call it poor journalism is an insult to poor journalists everywhere.
As an European I can tell you that he made the US a worldwide joke, that's for sure. The world used to take the US more seriously, even respected the US while Obama was in office... that went down the hill once Trump came along, the US became a laughing stock. Trump is considered a huge buffoon.
Did you watch the video? It literally showed how it started with obama and mccain
at 33 you have an incredibly short attention span and selective memory. Before they showed the clown show they pointed to things changing in 2008. how did you miss that and start complaining that the clown show doesnt mark the decline? watch the short again. pause and think before writing.
Selective bias.
The fact is Romney v Obama was the last decent Presidential debate.
Let them hate my friend, there is nothing you have said that is wrong
“Stop yapping buddy”
-Joe Biden 2020
“Don’t trust everything you read on the internet”. - Abraham Lincoln
Wrong. FDR said that
I wish politicians today acted professionally like this today. Now, it's constant bickering like children on the playground during recess.
I ask anyone to look up past presidential campaigns before 1900’s Politicians have said messed up things about each other form the beginning lol.
if I'm not wrong, they literally insulted each other's families,
plus did things that we call pranks on each other
@@brysuagar6520they also did things that we call assault to each other
@@jacksonmagas9698 that too
Today's wild politics only seem unhinged to us because we were spoiled in the mid-20th Century.
Right. And the political cartoons were brutally funny.
Apparently nobody has learned about the Presidential race between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson 😂😂
Man, they went from being best friends to being bitter rivals and they straight up went back to being best friends again.
Trump is King 👑
Imagine if debates were conducted in the format of the Lincoln-Douglas debates?
...the 2016 debates were absolute gold!😂
Yeah, especially how Trump actually had some good points.
@@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alotWhich ones? The “Lock Her Up” one? Bc he’s not too fond of that one now… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@frogtofall I don't know, maybe the criticism of hilarie's support for the free trade agreements which have costed americans jobs, criticism of her not being hard line on crime, which is the most damaging part to minorities despite what democrats, the ones keeping them in poverty, are saying.
Do your own research instead of relying on people on the internet or big news sites. You'll thank yourself later for making that decision.
@@notmysteriousthief4629 Ehh, a lot of what you just said is not 100% true, although Hilary is a demon
I’d say they were more of a joke… it’s not meant to be a tv show.
I wish NYT would a similar analysis on its quality and integrity with its journalism....
I’m a New Yorker and I can’t wait until the state goes down w Trump gone, then the corporate idiots can realize who carries their sorry butts
How embarrassing society has become.
What this clip overlooks is how much the parties themselves drifted apart over those decades, with identity politics and culture wars meaning that whatever little was still in common amongst the parties being eclipsed by the gulfs - and worsening attitudes - between the sides in question
When your very identity is, rightly or wrongly, viewed by the other side as being inherently immoral or a threat to the nation's existence, decorum becomes an unaffordable extravagance that is detrimental to looking after the very well-being, let alone mere interests, of the people whose votes you represent
When this is the case, can you expect anything other than complete disrespect from candidates who have been chosen by the parties' bases to 'fight' for their interests against the encroaching power of 'the other side'?
Exactly, this is what I was going to say.
@@program4215Then why didn’t you say it?
Can we not pretend this is a ‘both sides’ thing? This is absolutely the fault of the Republican Party under Donald trump. They refuse at every possible moment to work constructively with democrats, and they are absolutely the people breaking accepted political norms which existed to maintain civility between the parties.
I don’t think anyone can argue that the democrats have been the driving force behind polarisation in the US when you can do clearly see how things have degraded since trump’s presidency.
And who's fault is this........ I wonder what NYTimes thinks 🤣
@@bigjerome-wz4uo given which party embraced Trump, I should think the question of who cares least about decorum should be a settled question
how did i know that this video would blame trump? im not even american and i find this ridiculous
Biden called Trump a clown and I just heard it for the first time 😂
Immediate follow... and Im far right
Tucker carlson should run a debate I wonder how that would go
This is the problem with debates. They should just focus their answer to the chair and the chair needs to take control to make sure rules are followed. It serves no one’s interest to have a go-for-all.
Debates are just charisma contest
This stuff is getting real, man. Can't hold back these days
I LOVE DONALD TRUMP
lol The NY Times is just an innocent bystander in this
😂😂
The NYT is a deplorable rag that has only biased and false reporting garbed as news.
Totally. 😂
“Wrong.”
-Donald Trump
Oh yeah totally😂😂
This feels very NYT editorial board-Arron Sorkin brain. That if only civility and norms would return things would be good. I prefer the old model but it’s not as if politics were clean and fair pre 2008 lol or the people on that stage weren’t and didn’t do literal war crimes.
You really believe the people on stage right now aren’t war criminals?
As Biden locks up his political rivals and hunts their supporters.
It's an appeal to institutionalism
Why do you say this? @@karolsmith6754
Yeah literally nothing changes if Trump speaks only when spoken to and Hillary doesn't call people deplorables. The whole decorum/norms thing is pageantry; totally meaningless as anything but yet another distraction from the actual demonstrable mechanisms and systemic abuses of power, propagated by media paid to do so and the faux-centrist bootlickers they create. And just like the rest, it works well enough to help make any fundamental change and/or the prevention of near-term human extinction physically impossible.
Sure just cherry pick the exceptions and show it as facts.
Can’t help but love Trump in debates, it’s hilarious
Politicians used to fight each other with canes lol
The chase for ratings and manufactured drama is at the root of the bad information climate we live in today. Political debates should be focused on the issues and not on landing punchy insults. Moderators should go back to moderating these events.
This election’s gonna be like that episode of SpongeBob where he cussed💀 DUDUDHDUDHUDH
*Wrong!*
Gets me every time lol. It’s up there with “yeah, because you’d be in jail”.
it's YOUR fault NYT. You people write the rules! Do something!
Since when does the NYT write the rules for televised debates?
What are you talking about?
??????????
I like how OP made a completely absurd comment and then just vanished.
NYT setting up another dodging of debates by their chosen Democrats.
E
Gee, I wonder who started the disrespect trend...?
This is actually a beautifully made short from a media channel at that. Respect
We could definitely use more decorum
Agreed, but I think we need to get to human decency first.
We should manage our expectations.
The bar has been lowered everywhere with everything. music, sports , politics, education, etc...we are lost
Ain't that the truth. It's extremely sad.
how with sports and education?
@@blondie8372well for education, standards have dropped extremely low for students in literacy, mathematics, sciences etc
@@ryancoupland8425for most Americans being educated is seen as a bad thing lol or "liberal"
@@deaftone311 if you have a gender studies degree what career are you guaranteed?
Donald trump is the man!!!! Let’s go trump!!! Trump all the way.
Politicians are a reflection of the people because they elect the political candidates. Don’t blame the politican, blame the people.
America: I wish politics was like it was in the old days
America in the old days: Senator charles Sumner beaten viciously with a cain by Senator Brooks. (Sumner never recovered meanwhile Brooks was fined 300$)
So basically it's no longer a dignified affair anymore.
Donald Trump was the best thing to have happened to this country. Calling out Hilary like that is the least he could do and I’m not offended by it at all. About time someone stood up to her malicious behavior.
Presidential debates have turned into Jerry Springer episodes.
Most people were nicer back then before media/government twisted everyone against each other.
Yeah, remember the summer of love? Definitely not a polarized time.
Not true lmao. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson went from being Best Friends to being bitter political rivals/opponents who hated each other.
Im all for respect where its due, unfortunately there hasnt been a democratic nominee in some time that has deserved any.
Thank God for President Donald Trump!
Instead of a political debate, I'd want a nationally televised interview with the special interests, corporations, and "mega donors" that truly run the country.
This is the reason MPs in British Parliament have to address the speaker and not the other members
Yeah it’s also why we outlawed wearing armour in the commons
But also just generally our politics is not yet as polarised as American politics where it’s not actually about the politics, we may be headed there though with people trying to start culture wars and deregulation
@@zenokada2278 arguing about regulation and culture are literally bread and butter politics