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if you eject there’s less possiblity that they shoot you down since you would technically not be in the plane therefore it was not you who got shot down!
Just a suggestion. You are both of course capable but after having the F-22 win 2 or 3 times, I would suggest switching planes. Maybe (no disrespect) one is a better fighter pilot. If you took the 22 and win the next couple matches would demonstrate your point better in my opinion.
Don't worry, the F-35 obliterated the Gripen in testing recently in both bvr and visual range dogfighting when Finland was deciding what to buy. The F-22 basically enjoys a free meal
@Drew Peacock the F-35 has one of the most advanced EW suites ever fitted into an aircraft. It can jam and trick enemy EW suites, block the MAWS, etc. It wasn't rigged in the slightest. The Gripen just isn't up to par
@Drew Peacock yeah dude they rigged their own test and chose a supposedly “worse” jet (which is clearly better than the Gripen) that just doesn’t make any sense. Just absurd to think a Swedish 4.5 Gen aircraft can beat an American 5th Gen jet, just absurd.
The Gripen is amazing for what it is, a small, low cost, reliable multi-role fighter. It can *almost* keep up with its more expensive multirole counter parts, and factoring in the cost that makes it incredibly impressive. But what it isn't, is a 5th gen killing air superiority fighter, and that shows here. Its an excellent aircraft for what it is, but it isn't a raptor killer, it was never designed to be! An aircraft with that capability would be far outside the budget for the Gripen.
@@mitchjames9350 Like what? No amount of tech upgrades are going to allow it turn fast enough to get that nose in anywhere near the same position as the f22.
The Gripen is one of the most overrated modern fighters. No combat history, very modest flight characteristics, mediocre weapons and carrying capacity. Euro-chiqueness and being Swedish is the only thing it has going for it (esentially just good marketing from Saab)
I have worked at Amberley airbase, Australia. I can recall a few years back when Aus was doing an exercise with the US and we had a bunch of F22's here as part of the thing. Long story short, I was on base working when a flight of F22's returned. The turn to get to the runway alignment was just above my head. I was watching a plane come around in an easy turn as they always do to get to where they should be. I can only assume the pilot was watching me and wanted to show off. He proceeded to do what I can only describe as a power slide that changed his trajectory by at least 40 degrees in the space of a second. I was stunned beyond words. I was used to seeing FA18 Supers perform all sorts of maneuvers over the base (they practice the upcoming airshows there) and sure it was low speed, but I was absolutely astonished at the incredible agility of this one maneuver.
@@Cybetrexs remember there was an F-15 that the pilot not only maintained control after a mid air collision but landed the thing successfully. That's without the right wing.. I guess loosing your wing would be "just" a hydraulic failure. Israeli F 15 if anyone cares to look it up. There are also videos of the incident.
The way the F22 moves.....I've not been into Flight Sims for a loooooong time, but compared to things like the F16 and F18, that F22 just looks like something from another planet. Amazing!
@@GrowlingSidewinder I only just recently found your channel, so your older subs may already know the answer, but why didn't you switch planes so that we could see how it looks from the raptor pilots pov?
Seriously spent that whole vid laughing at the sheer futility, it was like watching the world's saddest groundhog day. Btw I think you did well to last as long as you did in some of those engagements...
I hope these mods get a proper flight model some day. I'd be interested in how these fights would actually go. At the moment the stf won't even allow you to stall unless you *really* try.
@@HenrikHuber it depends on where the actual turning point of the aircraft is. Despite where the nose is pointing it actual did look like the plane was rotating faster than the actual turning radius. I admit this could make the g-load worse also as you start calculating loads by vectors.
@@duanesamuelson2256 Yes if the F22 pilot blacks out due to his extreme G-turnig manuvers he would probably get shot down. Another factor might be due to wich speed the aircraft is at when sharper turns are used. If this is the case a pilot using a 4th generation fighter vs an F22 might level his chanses in higher speeds, rather than the usual, slower dogfighting speeds? I don't now, just brainstorming a little...
@@kelvinkudirical1438 I am a Gripen fan but I know very well that the Gripen can't beat thrust vectoring in a dogfight. If Gripen is to have any chance it would have to be in a Beyond Visual Range fight. But even then I doubt Gripen stands a chance against the F22 Raptor. If it was Gripen E it might be a different story but I still think it would be a very difficult fight for Gripen. Would def be more interesting tho. (In Beyond Visual Range that is).
@@SonnyKnutson stealth, and supercruise would definitely aid the F22. I understand stealth isn't invisibility but it definitely reduces the range at which the enemy can detect, and track you. Both of which are important to bvr. The low probability of intercept radar would also make the F22's attacks harder to detect and as a result harder to survive.
I’ve lived on an Air Force base with F22s, so we saw them a lot. I swear their turns are frickin unreal, the best way to win a fight versus them, is to not engage and run away.
@@Ash-iv7el also the big problem with sukhoi 57 is that its Infrared signature is visible to the heat seaking the f22 has, because of that 2 big engine on the 57
I happened to be driving in Marietta, GA back in 98 and watched this jet take off, go completely vertical and disappear. Then it came back in low and bolted. It was an F22. 3 years before it was introduced. I was no more than 200 yards away and had no idea what I was looking at.
"its possible that when you put a chimpanzee in the f22 cockpit the Gripen can win so I needed to choose a competent pilot" proceeds to pick shotgun over longshot to pilot the f22.
@@GrowlingSidewinder you know the bromance between yourself and Longshot is strong when Longshot turns down an opportunity to pay you back for amputating his Huey's tail a week or so ago.
The Gripen E "turn up the nose" rotates the base of the RAVEN ES-05 radar and aim upwards the AESA to engage at 120 degrees angle, confirming direction following by HMD... with A-darter or Iris-T he would fire first, in all these opportunities: 1:52 2:32 3:28 3:59 5:53 6:12 6:57 8:11 8:26 10:21 12:24
This^ At the end of the day, this is a game and people seem to forget that. It's amazing how much fun you can get out of it but making real world conclusions based of this... laughable.
So, I tried each cut section he had on there. I tried it on Shazam, SoundHound, and google song search. No results for any of it. I can only assume it's a royalty free song or something.
@@blackhalo6 its not royalty free lol, I pay for all the music you guys hear in these videos. which is why I can't share them for you guys I'm not allowed to distribute under the licensing agreement.
...It's almost like an aircraft with thrust vectoring, actual full-aspect stealth and one of the most advanced LPI AESA radars on the planet is actually the most dangerous opponent on the planet for air combat right now. Imagine that. I'm waiting for the "the Raptor is overrated, the MiG-21 can beat it every time" crowd to appear.
The Raptor is overrated. The MiG-21 can beat it every time. Sorry, just had to do it. Just note I was obviously joking. MiG-21 vs F-22 is like taking a Mazda RX-8 up against a Koenigsegg CCXR.
@@lonniebailey4989 If you mount a couple Hellfires on your RX-8, you can defeat the CCXR as it blows past. And you know the driver will not be able to resist getting in front.
@@MelioraCogito Oh, man, don't even get me started on the F-35... Chances you you might already know, but if you don't, do you want to know something that will make you even more unhappy? Rumsfield came out and said that the reason they greenlit the YF-22 over the YF-23 was because the United States Navy expressed interest in the Advanced Tactical Fighter program and because the YF-22 would be easier to navalize and make a carrier variant of than the YF-23. After the YF-22 won? The Navy went, "Nah, we're not interested" and went on to dump billions of dollars into the A-12 Avenger... which literally never had anything built or flown. And, of course, we all know that the F-22 production line shut down because we had to pay for the F-35. Yet some people still try and claim it wasn't... The whole idea behind the F-35 and how it was "sold" to the government and military was "it's too expensive to design and build multiple airframes for each service." Which sounds... dodgy. And, of course, it wasn't true. With the cost of the F-35's development and unit price we could have easily built 3 separate airframes (maybe with some increased parts commonality to help with logistics) that would've been the same price or cheaper and not have the design compromised to fit 3 different services and roles. I'd like to imagine a world where the F-35 didn't happen and they kept making and buying F-22s and just updated/upgraded the F-15/F-16 fleet and with the cost savings also started making an upgraded new manufacture A-10 series. And, as much as I love the Harrier, the USMC did need a more capable upgrade. The Navy seems to be going along just fine with the Super Bugs, and honestly, after the A-12 fiasco I don't really trust them having sole ownership of any fighter development in this day and age.
Black Widow would still hold the high cards in stealth, speed, climb rate, and energy retention. Getting your sneks to growl at the heat-tile shielded engines could be a challenge as well. Every plane can be an energy fighter, or a maneuver fighter, relative to what it is facing.
If we bring the F-22 back to ATF-era tech, it'll murder the YF-23 in dogfights (maneuverability, bit smaller/lighter too) and get murdered BVR (slower, worse RCS). If we put current F-22 against YF-23? no contest.
@@myusername3689 I don't mind being corrected but being 'well actually'd I don't enjoy. The F-22 is more maneuverable at low speeds due to thrust vectoring (and slightly better wing loading). What speeds do dogfights happen at? Especially with the assumed turn rates and weapons involved, no decent F-22 driver would opt for a med-high speed rate fight, they'd force it low-speed one circle. If you're going to correct someone, get it right.
GS taking the pain for our enjoyment again, kudos. Raptor: "wow Gripen, you're really strong" Gripen "don't be modest, I know you didn't even use half your power"
I gotta say, I found this channel a few days ago and love your content. I enjoy watching these videos of you getting wrecked by the f22, the commentary makes it even funnier.
Daaaam GS you killed it❤️❤️ Killer Soundtrack Reverse Cinematography to explain the instantaneous turn Rate of F22 Eating AIM 9Xs on your face just for the sake of this video And your soothing calming Voice is just chef's Kiss 😁 Love your content even more my brother with every coming video you give us more reasons to love your Content 🙏 Never ever lose hope GS and his Buddies keep doing your awesome work it's my inspiration for being a Fighter Pilot ❤️
Well, problem is neither gripen or f22 is anywhere near authentic in this game. They are still top secret, their capabilities are not public. quite dumb to make a statement with a videogame. In reality the gripen will never encounter a f22..
Look Boss GS, you've got to understand most of us (all of us) are laughing at the futility of this fight. However ALL of us know the frustration you were going through and for that we are eternally grateful. At least I was. Bet I can hear Longshot laughing back there. By the way thanks to Shotgun for the video.
Hey there GS. Love your content. I'm sure you've heard this before so I'd just like to throw a vote in for it too. It might be really interesting to see the format where you and the other pilot swap jets after 2 rounds. That will allow folks to see if it's just a case of the jet being better or if it's the skill of the pilots that's ruling the day. Just a thought and once again, I really appreciate all the amazing content that you are putting out.
I love the gun kills. Missiles are cool and all but there's just something really special about closing in on your opponent and downing them with the gun.
What's worse is most of the time, you'll never see the F22 that kills you. LPI radar, stealth, AWACS lurking 100km behind. As one Raptor pilot said, "like seal clubbing in a barrel..." But that thrust vectoring... wow...
Actually if your bringing in the Gripens strong suit (radar jamming & detection) the playing field gets more equal , however it would still most likely result into the F22 just having to gun down Gripen. Edit: Oh sorry , didnt notice this was Gripen C , yeah then its game over if the raptor gets that close, without a wingman.
Yeah, the people saying the JAS39 can outperform the F-22 in a 1v1 are fucking high. The F22 was built for high performance, the JAS39 was built to be an economically viable multirole fighter that literally costs less than half that of the F-22.
There was a test bench F-22 about 5 years after it was deployed where engineers tried new wings. The test pilot came back saying the G force he was experiencing were far far to extreme, and would damage the airframe, and would black out the pilot.
Jamming the WEZ and preflaring…. I heard that again in my head in Dom’s voice from Fast & The Furious…. A’la double clutchin like you should…. You never had me….
Only now I'm realising how hard the F-22 sh*ts on basically everything aside from the most modern weapons in the world, western or otherwise, and its full capabilities aren't even publicly known. Like, watching someone try to fight it is almost as sad as it is amusing. And that's almost a 20 year old aircraft if you don't count the development time.
It's laughable that the Gripen, the Rafale, the Typhoon, the Su-35, Su-57 would ever beat the Raptor in a dogfight, be it BVR or WVR, there's a reason we don't export this freak show of a fighter jet.
its the number 1 jet rn, even better the f35. the f35 is being sold but the f22 no, this tells u taht they are hiding even mcuh hetter technology with the f2/
I think it is pretty rare for me to LOL and react out loud on TH-cam videos. This one made me do both, this was great. keep it up. Thanks, I am enjoying your channel.
I think it’s safe to say that IF the planes are flying similar to reality, these two bring more accuracy in the pilot department than any other youtubers would 🤷🏻♂️
at the end of the day the aircraft are mods and can't be considered accurate because theyre mods but regardless of that, even with the current models the F-22 should never lose if you know what you're doing and I think we did a great job proving that in the tacview with numbers like that you can see why the F-22 should never lose. I don't know what other guys are doing on other channels but I can say if the F-22 is losing, theyre doing something wrong.
@@Storlans since it’s a video game it doesn’t really say anything. But let’s be honest, the f22 would still probably dominate. I mean after all it’s 3x the price
From inside, and outside, and moving, I get the feeling that the 22 is more space-craft than atmos-craft - which is stupid because it's the best fighting atmos vehicle ever made - that's it's function! But it's just so.... futuristic. It looks the part and is as lethal as it looks.amazing.
If you think that looks futuristic. You should see the Strike Raptor the F-22's lost cousin. Look up FB-22. The Air Force is thinking about reviving the program and turning the F-22 into a multirole fighter-bomber since the standard F-22 is a niche type of fighter.
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Anything can kill anything, but if you can get 2 people of equal kill and who understand the concepts of BFM and HOBS Dogfight the F-22 will dominate and that was made very clear in the tacview with the numbers we see there, its hard to argue the F-22 wouldn't win this fight every single time, ok guys thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed and I'll see you in the next one, much love.
it would be good to see you in the f22 vs someone in the typhoon. It would be an interesting dogfight
F22 vs j20
Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt a guy who is a groped fan told me once gropen can beat any 5th gen jet
me: Ah finaly gripen in czech colors
gripen: Proceeds to gete anihilated by f22
me: Well f**k
Dude you’re not even pulling back on the stick
Instead of pre-flaring maybe you should pre-eject?
if you eject there’s less possiblity that they shoot you down since you would technically not be in the plane therefore it was not you who got shot down!
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1261 it will be a stalemate therefore gripen=raptor
There's no WSO to use as a decoy though
@@bagellord Old WW2 submarine trick (also borrowed by Romulans).
And if you’ve ejected, it becomes a war crime to KIA you
"i wonder if he is gonna let me go"
*sees 9x coming at full speed*
"nope"
Best part of a great video....
LMFAO!!!
I was laughing so hard at that lol.
😂 the commentary from GS.
GS: "...put a chimpanzee in an F-22..."
Me: Mother of God. I could be a Raptor driver.
lold
@@GrowlingSidewinder Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt
@@kelvinkudirical1438 ya gripen is overrated as hell.
@@retardmoguss gripen cant even out turn su 27 lol out turning f 22 is like hardest thing to do which gripen can never achive
Give me a banana, I will fly!
If Shotgun and Longshot do a multicrew F14 is their callsign Longshotgun?
Shotshot obviously.
@@Obirascor Double-Shot
@@Obirascor this needs to be canon. Callsign shotshot merging with a mig.
This has to happen!
Double tap
“Left engine fire”
Me thinking… wasn’t there just one engine on a Gripen?
One of the problems with modding a 1 engine jet with fc3 lol
it might mean intakes ??? i’m not sure though
@@poopoop825 I'm pretty sure it isn't though, it wouldn't make sense dunno 😂
Avionics got hit so hard it forgot what plane it was on
Lol. Thought the same thing. Had to rewind to make sure she really said that 😁
Just a suggestion. You are both of course capable but after having the F-22 win 2 or 3 times, I would suggest switching planes. Maybe (no disrespect) one is a better fighter pilot. If you took the 22 and win the next couple matches would demonstrate your point better in my opinion.
Agreed
Very good point.
Those were pretty simple maneuvers and even when the Gripen started its turn first the F-22 got its nose around much earlier.
The math at the end proves why it's inferior plenty.
Agreed.
F22: Ah! I see you are still bound by the laws of physics
@@Forthenheimer And pilots physical boundaries. At this point only somekind of future fighter drone could dogfight this
Laws of physics are for peasants.
Still love the gripen tho.
Don't worry, the F-35 obliterated the Gripen in testing recently in both bvr and visual range dogfighting when Finland was deciding what to buy. The F-22 basically enjoys a free meal
@Drew Peacock the F-35 has one of the most advanced EW suites ever fitted into an aircraft. It can jam and trick enemy EW suites, block the MAWS, etc. It wasn't rigged in the slightest. The Gripen just isn't up to par
@Drew Peacock yeah dude they rigged their own test and chose a supposedly “worse” jet (which is clearly better than the Gripen) that just doesn’t make any sense. Just absurd to think a Swedish 4.5 Gen aircraft can beat an American 5th Gen jet, just absurd.
The Gripen is amazing for what it is, a small, low cost, reliable multi-role fighter. It can *almost* keep up with its more expensive multirole counter parts, and factoring in the cost that makes it incredibly impressive. But what it isn't, is a 5th gen killing air superiority fighter, and that shows here. Its an excellent aircraft for what it is, but it isn't a raptor killer, it was never designed to be! An aircraft with that capability would be far outside the budget for the Gripen.
I wonder if a few upgrades to its technology etc if it could put up a more of a closer fight.
@@mitchjames9350 Like what? No amount of tech upgrades are going to allow it turn fast enough to get that nose in anywhere near the same position as the f22.
Gripens hunt in packs .
The Gripen is one of the most overrated modern fighters. No combat history, very modest flight characteristics, mediocre weapons and carrying capacity. Euro-chiqueness and being Swedish is the only thing it has going for it (esentially just good marketing from Saab)
@@dimitri1154 Ah, the Meteor is mediocre. That's high standards for sure!
The flat spin flare drop…who knew the F-22, an aircraft, could actually look happy.
I have worked at Amberley airbase, Australia.
I can recall a few years back when Aus was doing an exercise with the US and we had a bunch of F22's here as part of the thing.
Long story short, I was on base working when a flight of F22's returned. The turn to get to the runway alignment was just above my head. I was watching a plane come around in an easy turn as they always do to get to where they should be.
I can only assume the pilot was watching me and wanted to show off.
He proceeded to do what I can only describe as a power slide that changed his trajectory by at least 40 degrees in the space of a second.
I was stunned beyond words.
I was used to seeing FA18 Supers perform all sorts of maneuvers over the base (they practice the upcoming airshows there) and sure it was low speed, but I was absolutely astonished at the incredible agility of this one maneuver.
Gripen: left engine fire
also Gripen: single egnine multi role fighter
its just one of the ways to say the engine has left
@@paodebatata6606 it’s not saying the left engine is on fire, it’s saying the engine has leftcthe aircraft, leaving only a fire.
Also Gripen : 'hydraulic failure'
Reality : whole right wing gone
Who the heck programmed this computer? Seriously?
@@razorback20 it’s cause it’s using the F-15 as the base
@@Cybetrexs remember there was an F-15 that the pilot not only maintained control after a mid air collision but landed the thing successfully. That's without the right wing.. I guess loosing your wing would be "just" a hydraulic failure.
Israeli F 15 if anyone cares to look it up. There are also videos of the incident.
The way the F22 moves.....I've not been into Flight Sims for a loooooong time, but compared to things like the F16 and F18, that F22 just looks like something from another planet. Amazing!
Also praise lord GS for the humiliation and suffering he endured to make this video getting killed again and again in the Gripen XD
ahaha ya dude, it was a rough video to make.
🤣 ikr
@@GrowlingSidewinder I only just recently found your channel, so your older subs may already know the answer, but why didn't you switch planes so that we could see how it looks from the raptor pilots pov?
@@highjix he will show it sometimes but often he’s showcasing one plane vs the other not just the fight
@@burntburrito8886 this is accurate, also sometimes the other guy doesn't own the other plane or isn't competent in it.
Seriously spent that whole vid laughing at the sheer futility, it was like watching the world's saddest groundhog day. Btw I think you did well to last as long as you did in some of those engagements...
I hope these mods get a proper flight model some day. I'd be interested in how these fights would actually go. At the moment the stf won't even allow you to stall unless you *really* try.
You should watch the video of him in a tomcat trying to fight a raptor.
I wonder if a human pilot actually could make thoose F22 turns in reality without getting a black out??
@@HenrikHuber it depends on where the actual turning point of the aircraft is.
Despite where the nose is pointing it actual did look like the plane was rotating faster than the actual turning radius. I admit this could make the g-load worse also as you start calculating loads by vectors.
@@duanesamuelson2256 Yes if the F22 pilot blacks out due to his extreme G-turnig manuvers he would probably get shot down. Another factor might be due to wich speed the aircraft is at when sharper turns are used. If this is the case a pilot using a 4th generation fighter vs an F22 might level his chanses in higher speeds, rather than the usual, slower dogfighting speeds?
I don't now, just brainstorming a little...
3:44 “I don’t know how I am still alive”
F22: Yeah right…
Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt
@@kelvinkudirical1438 I am a Gripen fan but I know very well that the Gripen can't beat thrust vectoring in a dogfight. If Gripen is to have any chance it would have to be in a Beyond Visual Range fight. But even then I doubt Gripen stands a chance against the F22 Raptor.
If it was Gripen E it might be a different story but I still think it would be a very difficult fight for Gripen. Would def be more interesting tho. (In Beyond Visual Range that is).
@@SonnyKnutson the only gripen fan i repect. U have my respect 🤜🤜
@@SonnyKnutson stealth, and supercruise would definitely aid the F22. I understand stealth isn't invisibility but it definitely reduces the range at which the enemy can detect, and track you. Both of which are important to bvr. The low probability of intercept radar would also make the F22's attacks harder to detect and as a result harder to survive.
I’ve lived on an Air Force base with F22s, so we saw them a lot. I swear their turns are frickin unreal, the best way to win a fight versus them, is to not engage and run away.
You can't even out run the damn thing that's the problem. The f-22 gets you on radar and youre basically done. No way you're evading 2.25 mach.
@@chrisoreilly3481 I mean BrahMos is a SAM so good luck dodging that with your Raptor
@@lxrd_cs uhhhmmm.... Yeah, how can your SAM lock at the F22 if it can't see it on radar?
@@chrisoreilly3481 in an F-15 you can, but theres no point in the F-15 running
@@Ash-iv7el also the big problem with sukhoi 57 is that its Infrared signature is visible to the heat seaking the f22 has, because of that 2 big engine on the 57
1:13 that's a show alone... those flares are so cinematic and well done! also happy to see old kill cams. and I feel like we're just getting started!
I wanted to like but it is on 69 likes 👍
I happened to be driving in Marietta, GA back in 98 and watched this jet take off, go completely vertical and disappear. Then it came back in low and bolted. It was an F22. 3 years before it was introduced. I was no more than
200 yards away and had no idea what I was looking at.
UFO sighting!
(to be fair if it is unidentified and it is flying, it is a ufo!)
"its possible that when you put a chimpanzee in the f22 cockpit the Gripen can win so I needed to choose a competent pilot" proceeds to pick shotgun over longshot to pilot the f22.
ahah longshot would have also been great, but he was not available.
@@GrowlingSidewinder you know the bromance between yourself and Longshot is strong when Longshot turns down an opportunity to pay you back for amputating his Huey's tail a week or so ago.
Hey all I’m saying is to read between the lines
Hahaaaaaaaaaa . I wish longshot would comment here
On such situation longshot becomes a blood thirsty creature!
The Gripen E "turn up the nose"
rotates the base of the RAVEN ES-05 radar
and aim upwards the AESA to engage at 120 degrees angle, confirming direction following by HMD...
with A-darter or Iris-T he would fire first, in all these opportunities:
1:52
2:32
3:28
3:59
5:53
6:12
6:57
8:11
8:26
10:21
12:24
This^
At the end of the day, this is a game and people seem to forget that. It's amazing how much fun you can get out of it but making real world conclusions based of this... laughable.
Except he would be dead before he got that far in BVR.
Jas 🇸🇪
Are we just going to ignore that killer soundtrack GS put in the kill recap segments? What track is that?!
I don’t know, but it sounds grimy as hell!
I dont know the name of the track the file on my PC was called "racing-W7M"
Someone has got to know that song and where we can get it
So, I tried each cut section he had on there. I tried it on Shazam, SoundHound, and google song search. No results for any of it. I can only assume it's a royalty free song or something.
@@blackhalo6 its not royalty free lol, I pay for all the music you guys hear in these videos. which is why I can't share them for you guys I'm not allowed to distribute under the licensing agreement.
That Gripen in a turn against a Raptor was like a Lincoln Navigator tryna out turn a Mini Cooper.
Dirt bike
...It's almost like an aircraft with thrust vectoring, actual full-aspect stealth and one of the most advanced LPI AESA radars on the planet is actually the most dangerous opponent on the planet for air combat right now. Imagine that. I'm waiting for the "the Raptor is overrated, the MiG-21 can beat it every time" crowd to appear.
The Raptor is overrated. The MiG-21 can beat it every time.
Sorry, just had to do it. Just note I was obviously joking. MiG-21 vs F-22 is like taking a Mazda RX-8 up against a Koenigsegg CCXR.
I mean they built more Mig-21's so obviously they must be better!
(is only joke please don't hurt me)
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@@lonniebailey4989 If you mount a couple Hellfires on your RX-8, you can defeat the CCXR as it blows past. And you know the driver will not be able to resist getting in front.
@@MelioraCogito
Oh, man, don't even get me started on the F-35...
Chances you you might already know, but if you don't, do you want to know something that will make you even more unhappy? Rumsfield came out and said that the reason they greenlit the YF-22 over the YF-23 was because the United States Navy expressed interest in the Advanced Tactical Fighter program and because the YF-22 would be easier to navalize and make a carrier variant of than the YF-23. After the YF-22 won? The Navy went, "Nah, we're not interested" and went on to dump billions of dollars into the A-12 Avenger... which literally never had anything built or flown.
And, of course, we all know that the F-22 production line shut down because we had to pay for the F-35. Yet some people still try and claim it wasn't...
The whole idea behind the F-35 and how it was "sold" to the government and military was "it's too expensive to design and build multiple airframes for each service." Which sounds... dodgy. And, of course, it wasn't true. With the cost of the F-35's development and unit price we could have easily built 3 separate airframes (maybe with some increased parts commonality to help with logistics) that would've been the same price or cheaper and not have the design compromised to fit 3 different services and roles.
I'd like to imagine a world where the F-35 didn't happen and they kept making and buying F-22s and just updated/upgraded the F-15/F-16 fleet and with the cost savings also started making an upgraded new manufacture A-10 series. And, as much as I love the Harrier, the USMC did need a more capable upgrade. The Navy seems to be going along just fine with the Super Bugs, and honestly, after the A-12 fiasco I don't really trust them having sole ownership of any fighter development in this day and age.
When the f22 and a grippen merge.
F22: so you have chosen death.
Que umbrella academy passing car meme
@@SpartanJey1219 lol
You have chosen poorly.
Ok gotta mention this. That's some sick music during the replay! I like how this channel is evolving and engaging more with the viewers.
Awesome video (and the MUSIC DUDE, IT ROCKED!), but also props to Chuck Yeager for having been a living legend. May he dance with the angels.
Really enjoy these 1-on-1's. One thing I wouldn't mind seeing in some of these really close matchups is the perspective from the other plane as well.
2:05
"Left engine - fire"
"...I only have the one...?"
Nope. That’s the plane warning you that you have no engines. The one you had just left… while on fire.
The computer had so many systems to say were destroyed, it got confused.
Gripen - Literally on fire.
F22 - I'm not done yet.
F22 has water cannon to put out only to catch plane on 🔥 again
I have no idea if there’s a mod out there for the YF-23 but that vs the F-22 would be a sick battle to see
The YF-22 was more maneuverable than the YF-23 which had lower RCS. So unless it's a BVR fight, the F-22 should wax it.
Black Widow would still hold the high cards in stealth, speed, climb rate, and energy retention. Getting your sneks to growl at the heat-tile shielded engines could be a challenge as well.
Every plane can be an energy fighter, or a maneuver fighter, relative to what it is facing.
If we bring the F-22 back to ATF-era tech, it'll murder the YF-23 in dogfights (maneuverability, bit smaller/lighter too) and get murdered BVR (slower, worse RCS). If we put current F-22 against YF-23? no contest.
Shame it’s turbine blades could be visible to ground radars
@@myusername3689 I don't mind being corrected but being 'well actually'd I don't enjoy. The F-22 is more maneuverable at low speeds due to thrust vectoring (and slightly better wing loading). What speeds do dogfights happen at? Especially with the assumed turn rates and weapons involved, no decent F-22 driver would opt for a med-high speed rate fight, they'd force it low-speed one circle. If you're going to correct someone, get it right.
“I wonder if he’s going to let me go… nope” 😆😆😆
The disrespect from the flat splinting flairs. 🤦♂️😆
Splinting….spinning. Thanks iPhone. 🤦♂️
GS taking the pain for our enjoyment again, kudos.
Raptor: "wow Gripen, you're really strong"
Gripen "don't be modest, I know you didn't even use half your power"
This is one of the best videos on TH-cam. Period.
off topic, you ever gonna stream on twitch again. Not sure if you've talked about it before but it'd be nice! Alright onto the video..
Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt
@@kelvinkudirical1438 ?
@@itsjustyas7724 hes commenting that on everyone
I gotta say, I found this channel a few days ago and love your content. I enjoy watching these videos of you getting wrecked by the f22, the commentary makes it even funnier.
"the grippen can beat the raptor every time, if it was flown by chuck yeager and the raptor by a chimp"
beautiful :')
Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt
The raptor will win every time if it is flown better
Daaaam GS you killed it❤️❤️
Killer Soundtrack
Reverse Cinematography to explain the instantaneous turn Rate of F22
Eating AIM 9Xs on your face just for the sake of this video
And your soothing calming Voice is just chef's Kiss 😁
Love your content even more my brother with every coming video you give us more reasons to love your Content 🙏
Never ever lose hope GS and his Buddies keep doing your awesome work it's my inspiration for being a Fighter Pilot ❤️
much love buddy thanks for the love and support.
@@GrowlingSidewinder why were you carying rb74(aim9l) and not iris t
@@einar8019 I'm not, the gripen is carrying 9x as well to make it exactly even.
The physics are meaningless for the F22. My god that nose just points at you at will 🤣
Well, problem is neither gripen or f22 is anywhere near authentic in this game. They are still top secret, their capabilities are not public.
quite dumb to make a statement with a videogame.
In reality the gripen will never encounter a f22..
Look Boss GS, you've got to understand most of us (all of us) are laughing at the futility of this fight. However ALL of us know the frustration you were going through and for that we are eternally grateful. At least I was. Bet I can hear Longshot laughing back there.
By the way thanks to Shotgun for the video.
Hey there GS. Love your content. I'm sure you've heard this before so I'd just like to throw a vote in for it too. It might be really interesting to see the format where you and the other pilot swap jets after 2 rounds. That will allow folks to see if it's just a case of the jet being better or if it's the skill of the pilots that's ruling the day. Just a thought and once again, I really appreciate all the amazing content that you are putting out.
I love the gun kills. Missiles are cool and all but there's just something really special about closing in on your opponent and downing them with the gun.
The complete silence KILLED IN ACTION is so satisfying
Dude this is your best video yet. Nicely done. -Wraith
Another 1...appreciate the hard work sidewinder
What's worse is most of the time, you'll never see the F22 that kills you. LPI radar, stealth, AWACS lurking 100km behind. As one Raptor pilot said, "like seal clubbing in a barrel..." But that thrust vectoring... wow...
Actually if your bringing in the Gripens strong suit (radar jamming & detection) the playing field gets more equal , however it would still most likely result into the F22 just having to gun down Gripen.
Edit: Oh sorry , didnt notice this was Gripen C , yeah then its game over if the raptor gets that close, without a wingman.
I can't believe somebody unironically thought the f22 would lose this...
The F-22 is just Alien status.
How about a $/$ fight where you fight however many Grippens can be bought for the cost of one F-22? Just for fun
Not enough to defeat one raptor (jk)
@@edwardcardozo8325 this is probably actually true, if it's BVR.
I really like this idea and would love to see it. GS make it happen babe.
Gloster meteor vs f22
That's actually an interesting idea. I'd watch it.
Canards are the poor man's vectored thrust.
Yeah, the people saying the JAS39 can outperform the F-22 in a 1v1 are fucking high. The F22 was built for high performance, the JAS39 was built to be an economically viable multirole fighter that literally costs less than half that of the F-22.
That final missile after you were shot down made me flinch so hard.
Ne’er before hast I clickethed must hastily for this Devine escape from my piteous reality. Hail Sidewinder!
You know, I didn’t know we were in 16th century England
@@weirdbritishperson9542 hey lemme borrow that username
Uh I mean May i b'rrow thy nameth sir
Shakespeare be like…
I love how you just see the nose just instantly snap around and there’s literally not a single thing you can do about it
These ppl come from the grim reapers video, but we all know the grim reapers arent there for their competence
My thoughts exactly
The F-22 wipes the floor with the F-15, an air superiority fighter with a 108-0 kill ratio... Yeah, there's a reason we don't export it
Here's your winged sadism for the TH-cam algorithm.
Geez , I love this channel Sidewinder !!
and this channel loves you Jeff.
There was a test bench F-22 about 5 years after it was deployed where engineers tried new wings. The test pilot came back saying the G force he was experiencing were far far to extreme, and would damage the airframe, and would black out the pilot.
g forces affecting pilot and airframe isnt new been around since ww2 props
Both the pilot and the equipment is cognizant of the limitation of g forces on itself.
There's a manga of jet fighter with only 2 volumes, the title is: The Legend of Fighter Blue Griffons... Yes, JAS-39 GRIPEN vs F22 Raptor...
Never seen any real life clips ever of a F-22 doing that tight turns thou. Maybe it's a classified turn :D
It's a simulator... :)
Any adversary would be lucky to even get the respect of a visual from an F22. They’d never see it coming
Wait, why did it say "left engine fire"? I thought the gripen has one engine.
Correct
Because it's probably based on F15-C from FC3?
It does and it's the left one.
The engine you know…
@@Vespyr_ the Right-engined Gripens are made in a different factory across the street.
This is amazing stuff. Well done
Maybe Grim Reapers should watch this video and pay attention to those first few sentences.
Me seeing the title: *cracks knuckles* “This is going to be fun”
And also the new soundtrack is awesome. Fitting for the Raptor destroying its prey
Jamming the WEZ and preflaring…. I heard that again in my head in Dom’s voice from Fast & The Furious…. A’la double clutchin like you should…. You never had me….
I really dig the addition of music to the external shots and the usual speaking for the internal! Great change!
Loving the new music man, keep up the great content!
My sphincter was clenched every time I saw him nose on. I haven't laughed this much in a minute, lol
Only now I'm realising how hard the F-22 sh*ts on basically everything aside from the most modern weapons in the world, western or otherwise, and its full capabilities aren't even publicly known. Like, watching someone try to fight it is almost as sad as it is amusing. And that's almost a 20 year old aircraft if you don't count the development time.
8:42
“I wonder if he’s gonna let me go…”
“Nope!-💥💥”
😂😂😂😂😂
When you do these types of videos it'd be interesting to see you guys switch planes at the halfway point.
It's laughable that the Gripen, the Rafale, the Typhoon, the Su-35, Su-57 would ever beat the Raptor in a dogfight, be it BVR or WVR, there's a reason we don't export this freak show of a fighter jet.
its the number 1 jet rn, even better the f35. the f35 is being sold but the f22 no, this tells u taht they are hiding even mcuh hetter technology with the f2/
"The Gripen can beat the F-22 every time" - I think someone mixed up the order of the two planes in that sentence
Lol, in your dreams
@@mikeconner8088?
lol..."i wonder if he's going to let me go....nope!" splat! nice vid. Thanks!
This is baby seal clubbing, I love it!
You’re into some weird shit, but to each his own.
Love watching the f22 dance that nose control is insane
Eurofighter Typhoon vs F22 Raptor! Now I would love to see how that would play out!
There is no real Eurofighter Typhoon for DSC yet. Nobody knows when it will be done.
@@JazzJaRa Heatblur uploaded a trailer a couple days ago... I assume we'll get one pretty soon.
@@MrNicoPela Yes i have seen it, and it looks very promising
"I wonder if he's going to let me go.....nope" dead. 🤣
I don't think you've done this yet, but it would be really cool to see a 2v2 with actual player pilots in the F-22.
I think it is pretty rare for me to LOL and react out loud on TH-cam videos. This one made me do both, this was great. keep it up. Thanks, I am enjoying your channel.
How accurately are these aircraft modelled, because other youtubers have done similar fights with very different results, no hate tho
I think it’s safe to say that IF the planes are flying similar to reality, these two bring more accuracy in the pilot department than any other youtubers would 🤷🏻♂️
at the end of the day the aircraft are mods and can't be considered accurate because theyre mods but regardless of that, even with the current models the F-22 should never lose if you know what you're doing and I think we did a great job proving that in the tacview with numbers like that you can see why the F-22 should never lose. I don't know what other guys are doing on other channels but I can say if the F-22 is losing, theyre doing something wrong.
Could be a chimpanzee flying those losing F-22
@@DeathAdder9558 from looking at some of the vids where the raptor lost from other channers, your prob right
F-22’s missile was soo fast he couldn’t even finish his convo. 😂😂
"Left engine fire" - apparently your Gripen had two!
“That missile went right by my head there’s a second ONE COMING RIGHT HE-“
-GS’s final words.
People are saying this because they saw a video from GrimReaper in which the grippen beat the f22 all times.
since its mods it does not really say anything xD
@@Storlans since it’s a video game it doesn’t really say anything. But let’s be honest, the f22 would still probably dominate. I mean after all it’s 3x the price
@@3721-t1t being more expensive does not mean its better xD
GS: "I wonder if he's going to let me go"
F22: "You were never going home."
Can a Gripen defeat an F-22???
F-22: so I took that personally
I wonder if he’s gonna let me go…NOPE! XD had me rolling man! Great video!
Grippen: I got it i got it, lets just be friends ok?
"i wonder if he's gonna let me go" heavily optimistic of you 😂
hey brother im watching them reveal checkmate so fitting you put up a fighter jet video lol
"cut me Mick" that was your best Rocky video.
From inside, and outside, and moving, I get the feeling that the 22 is more space-craft than atmos-craft - which is stupid because it's the best fighting atmos vehicle ever made - that's it's function! But it's just so.... futuristic. It looks the part and is as lethal as it looks.amazing.
If you think that looks futuristic. You should see the Strike Raptor the F-22's lost cousin. Look up FB-22. The Air Force is thinking about reviving the program and turning the F-22 into a multirole fighter-bomber since the standard F-22 is a niche type of fighter.
@JRGProjects oh now THAT looks like a spaceship! Bloody hell, didn't know about the FB. Such incredible looking machines. Thanks for that!
@@WillArtie the original concept for the F-22 the YF-22 is a lot sharper looking than the production model. Looks more alien.
I know it's just a game, but the dude was playing with you.
LOL. Thanks for the vid.
Flat spin while flaring? Such disrespect 😂 lol.
Jas 39 pilot:Oh no I'm going down ejecting *Offlines*
Gripen is designed for long distance engagement. Basically if you see the enemy aircraft you are way too close.
Love the edits that you made with the merge. Keep up the good work GS!