@@ColburnClassroomThen this Video is not circular reasoning. He is a delivery boy -> because its the apparently best fitting profession for him. The Poster merely acknowledges that you may not be happy with it but also states that this does not matter. She once explained the Why to him and then educated him on the response that was certainly given to everyone else that had a problem with the process
@@andrefasching1332 except that the context for "You gotta do what you gotta do" here is a satire on not being able to change one's career depicted through a futuristic society where, after you are selected for a career, you receive a career chip implanted into your arm and the only alternative to rejecting your designated career is being "fired out of a cannon into the sun." The extremity of the example does not suggest that the slogan is meant to be taken without criticism. Yes, Fry ends up being a delivery boy anyway, but I would characterize that as further satire. I would agree with the point that "You gotta do what you gotta do" is a tautology, not circular reasoning. But, on the other hand Leela uses this tautology to make a circular argument that people must do their jobs even if they don't like them because "you gotta do what you gotta do."
@@ColburnClassroom I agree to the part that it is not meant to be taken without criticism. We may have different interpretations of the situation at hand but for me this is a satirical approach to the concept of a technocratic efficency oriented society that at the same time leaves you a "choice" and the right of free although pointless speech. I see my point further reinforced by the fact that the assigment process itself gets never discussed. How is it determined that this job fits best for you, after all? It apparently is quite clear to everyone living in this world. There is no need to talk about it. "You gotta do what you gotta do" is only the first half of a sentence that could go like "...because everyone working at the job he is most efficent is the most beneficial to society" its specifically aimed at the People that disregard the second part, that is unbespoken but surely mentioned in education and integral part of their society, in favor of their own free will. There is no reason to explain this. Its a societal contract. You can either sign it or leave the society. You gotta do what you gotta do Althought i admit it would surely make sense to educate Fry on this Concept as it is for him not as obvious as for everyone else around him
What's really funny is how often Circular Logic works out to be correct in some form. Take, for example, the job Fry ends up actually doing. Circular logic often emerges because start points and end points of logical series can be muddy! As a result, the conclusion suggested by circular thinking can be accurate if the "circle is entered" so to speak . . . If there is a strong series component to circular logic, the statement may prove out even if it is obviously flawed, because the true situational dynamics may remain a mystery.
Does Fry become a delivery boy because he is naturally talented at doing it? Or is it that people with that task to do will naturally assess his abilities as the proper quality, and petition him the job? Is it simply his destiny? The details of the connections elude, but the results are unwavering! Could Fry have truly held any other job? Beware the tempting power of Circular Logic!
I don't think this qualifies as a fallacy because she's just informing him of circumstance rather than arguing her position. "If you don't submit you will be killed, I don't make the rules"
I still don't get it somehow. Edit: I'm more confused now, thanks to the reply section. 2nd edit: I did not have a good understanding of English when I made this comment, now I understand, thanks :D
An example would be: Subject A:"We've hired the best hair dressers in the world." Subject B asks: "What makes them the best?" A: "Because they work here and we only hire the best."
Kinda tricky example if you're new to it. "the bible is true because the bible says its true" is a very good example of circular reasoning. But also kinda fits "begging the question" 😊
@@heavymeddle28 circular reasoning and begging the question are very similar fallacies in a way, such arguments have the flaw of defining themselves as true , the equivalent of "because I said so"
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When people say " It is what it is " is that circular reasoning?
@@101acidrider Good question. I would say yes, unless it's something that truly can't be changed.
@@ColburnClassroomThen this Video is not circular reasoning.
He is a delivery boy -> because its the apparently best fitting profession for him.
The Poster merely acknowledges that you may not be happy with it but also states that this does not matter.
She once explained the Why to him and then educated him on the response that was certainly given to everyone else that had a problem with the process
@@andrefasching1332 except that the context for "You gotta do what you gotta do" here is a satire on not being able to change one's career depicted through a futuristic society where, after you are selected for a career, you receive a career chip implanted into your arm and the only alternative to rejecting your designated career is being "fired out of a cannon into the sun." The extremity of the example does not suggest that the slogan is meant to be taken without criticism. Yes, Fry ends up being a delivery boy anyway, but I would characterize that as further satire.
I would agree with the point that "You gotta do what you gotta do" is a tautology, not circular reasoning. But, on the other hand Leela uses this tautology to make a circular argument that people must do their jobs even if they don't like them because "you gotta do what you gotta do."
@@ColburnClassroom I agree to the part that it is not meant to be taken without criticism.
We may have different interpretations of the situation at hand but for me this is a satirical approach to the concept of a technocratic efficency oriented society that at the same time leaves you a "choice" and the right of free although pointless speech.
I see my point further reinforced by the fact that the assigment process itself gets never discussed. How is it determined that this job fits best for you, after all? It apparently is quite clear to everyone living in this world. There is no need to talk about it.
"You gotta do what you gotta do" is only the first half of a sentence that could go like "...because everyone working at the job he is most efficent is the most beneficial to society"
its specifically aimed at the People that disregard the second part, that is unbespoken but surely mentioned in education and integral part of their society, in favor of their own free will.
There is no reason to explain this. Its a societal contract. You can either sign it or leave the society. You gotta do what you gotta do
Althought i admit it would surely make sense to educate Fry on this Concept as it is for him not as obvious as for everyone else around him
The key to success is circular reasoning, because circular reasoning is the key.
But only if the circle is "entered".
just repeat the same like an easy ai robot
That's technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Lela asserts that Fry must perform the job assigned “delivery boy” because the machine scientifically deduced that it was the job best suited for Fry.
Circular reasoning serves as a way to shut down conversation about a topic.
What's really funny is how often Circular Logic works out to be correct in some form. Take, for example, the job Fry ends up actually doing.
Circular logic often emerges because start points and end points of logical series can be muddy! As a result, the conclusion suggested by circular thinking can be accurate if the "circle is entered" so to speak . . .
If there is a strong series component to circular logic, the statement may prove out even if it is obviously flawed, because the true situational dynamics may remain a mystery.
Does Fry become a delivery boy because he is naturally talented at doing it?
Or is it that people with that task to do will naturally assess his abilities as the proper quality, and petition him the job?
Is it simply his destiny?
The details of the connections elude, but the results are unwavering!
Could Fry have truly held any other job? Beware the tempting power of Circular Logic!
A little more time and you will discover what axiom means.
parents love this one
Don't you worry about circular reasoning. Let me worry about blank
Could you ever use both circular reasoning and the bandwagon fallacy simultaneously?
Yesterday, was the day before today.
Nah, I disagree. She asserts Fry must be a delivery boy because that is what he's best at. That reasoning isn't circular at all.
Thank you for the video.
The face of the guy on that poster 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't think this qualifies as a fallacy because she's just informing him of circumstance rather than arguing her position.
"If you don't submit you will be killed, I don't make the rules"
I still don't get it somehow.
Edit: I'm more confused now, thanks to the reply section.
2nd edit: I did not have a good understanding of English when I made this comment, now I understand, thanks :D
Its like saying you must do something because you have to do it.
An example would be: Subject A:"We've hired the best hair dressers in the world." Subject B asks: "What makes them the best?" A: "Because they work here and we only hire the best."
@@ahaley3292 yeah , its easier to miss this fallacy than otherd if you arent well-versed in logical fallacies
Kinda tricky example if you're new to it. "the bible is true because the bible says its true" is a very good example of circular reasoning. But also kinda fits "begging the question" 😊
@@heavymeddle28 circular reasoning and begging the question are very similar fallacies in a way, such arguments have the flaw of defining themselves as true , the equivalent of "because I said so"
Damn this circular logic
this is a funny clip