I like how you structured the video after the three acts of a traditional hero's journey: "Intro", "Light Miraculous Season 4 Spoilers" and "The Rest".
honestly as a woman when i watched this the only thing i thought was "jesus christ does peter hate himself?" lol because that's exactly what self hatred does. no matter how many times the people you love assure you that they want you, you still feel like they'd be better off without you. reminds me of madoka from madoka magica in a weird way
Pretty sure he does, it’s a pretty defining trait in the comics and it’s why a lot of people empathise with him. He’s a regular guy who struggles to balance a difficult life on minimum wage with being a good person. I think that’s why people weren’t big fans of the first two movies, even though i thought they where great, because it wasn’t really Peter to them, while even if this movie sort of backtracks on some fo that stuff it DOES cement him as the Peter Parker everybody WANTED to see.
@@returnalnocturnal7729 foreplaying the point endlessly until it inevitably ejaculates a beautiful point into the senses of the watcher is cinema - martin scorsese probably
amazing video the way you explained mj’s mind swipe as basically death definitely explained a lot of the depressing feeling of the ending for me. the fact that doctor stranges spell didn’t have any ambiguity let me know that this was practically a death to peter and a reincarnation in a world where no one knows who he is, so it felt very helpless when he said he would find her and make her remember does that make sense at all i don’t know
@@emillegal-search-and-seizure lmao I thought it was only me who didn't get why everyone was talking about stuff from the video when it's only 2 minutes long
"if you're good at something, you should claim it and offer it. Who's gonna act on your passions if not you? I'll tell you who: someone who cares less" As someone who is extremely self-conscious and admittedly not the best at editing or expressing myself, I really like this quote because I am also painfully passionate about the dumbest stuff and I struggle to get myself to execute or even how to execute on...well, how. I'm extremely lost but have so much random information and interests that'd be awesome to share. It's a massive part of my personality that I'm more passionate than most people. So I'd like to do something creative about it someday
i been, verbatim, in this exact situation finding ur medium & pinching together those interests in a felicitous, authentic way is cathartic in a real particular way that i think is worth the floppin around at first im really excited for ur future, hope u figure it out soon
@@orion2015 Not much of a religious sort, but in the first line to many of my darkest days, despite my indifference to either the theistic and the atheist, I prayed to God to end my suffering. Destroy me completely, erase my existence, I no longer want to live, nor continue on to the next life. And in return, I will give everything and anything, my love, my devotion, I will be zealous to the highest interpretation of that word. I received nothing. Resenting God for ignoring my one and only wish, a simple task, a blink of that all-seeing eye would've been enough to remove me, especially with that mighty omnipotence. I turned the other way. I beseeched below, at Satan, directed to any and all the denizens of Hell, any demon who so desired, grant me this one wish, and I will give everything and anything, no matter the cost. I received... Nothing. No angelic voices telling me to push on, to fully convert me. No dark whispering, beckoning malice to turn me to untold depravity and satanic worship. Nothing from either side. Not even false promises of the Devil, no trickery for me to believe my wish will become true, only to eschew all promises. Absolutely nothing. No angel, nor demon. No God, no Devil. Since then, I hold either side with utmost contempt. As surely, they look upon me with utter disgust. To ignore a stupid, pathetic, weak and vulnerable child. Easy pickings. Yet, nothing came. I am the only mistake. I am the only thing wrong with the world. Everything is going accordingly to plan, a natural cycle, except me. An error. A failure. The thing that should not be born. Undeserving, and worthless. I've fallen far too deep. There was a time where I could be saved, that moment has long past. I am a lost cause. Hopeless. I am a coward, as well. No matter how intense the urge, how urgent the intent, I've yet to even make an attempt at my life. I am rotting inside. I'm long past the definition of dead, I'm simply rotting.
@@jocosesonata nah, i also basically wanted God to obliviate me for years & God never answered that one either see if you WERE some kind of mistake, wouldn't the universe be only too happy to delete you?
“My favorite black Spider-Man is the Donald Glover version I made up in my head” This hits too hard. Donald Glover deserved to be Spider-Man. And I hope they do him at least a little bit of Justice by allowing him to be an amazing Prowler.
@@OGseoulite marvel had plans to kill 1610 peter parker, they needed to introduce a new spiderman, brian michael bendis had recently adopted two daughters, both black, and wanted to create a black superhero, this paired with the campaigning for donald glover to be cast as spiderman in the upcoming 2012 spiderman reboot led to the creation of miles morales
When I saw this movie, my girlfriend asked if I was gonna "do that thing where I tear into a movie for an hour and then conclude with 'but I enjoyed it'" and that is both exactly what I did and what I now feel extra justified in doing after this video
Also with how much you talk about MJ I can't get past the idea of why he "has to come find her" after. Like. Your all standing near a torn apart statue of liberty with an unmasked spiderman. Why else are you there. Just... Don't leave?? Just wait 30 second and say "hey guys, crazy story"
@@emilynoce7980 I think it's left deliberately ambiguous if the survivors of the spell were left on the statue island, or if as part of the spell they were put back in their respective corners
It becomes way more obvious how messed up what Peter did was if you bring it more into real world terms. Like imagine MJ was going into some risky brain operation that could leave her with severe memory loss, and before going in Peter agreed that no matter what he would stay with her and help her remember. Then he just leaves.
@@__keys yeah he's not gonna make anyone remember anything because magic but he could AT LEAST be by her side. even if they never end up dating again, even if things are never like they were he should try
@@demonwearingpalmangels4537 the biggest mistake spider-man makes in almost all his iterations is isolating himself in hopes of protecting his loved ones. this works of course, but at extremely high costs: his mental health, his efficiency, his emotional well-being. someone like this won't be able to properly protect his people anyway. so if she already knows its dangerous being affiliated with him and repeatedly chooses to be with him anyway then its his duty to honor her wishes. even if he caused her an injury it doesn't negate her autonomy to choose him as part of her life. if we put this in real terms like if peter was a cop and failed to protect his girlfriend from a brain injury caused by a gang he was trying to arrest: would we expect him to abandon her at the hospital and cut her out of his life forever because it would be too dangerous for her? or would the right thing be to express regret for his failing but make it up to her by being there for her?
I'm getting into a serious relationship rn, and this take on Peter and MJ's ending made me think about how I shouldn't let my insecurities or my self-imposed sense of duty get in the way of what SHE wants too. Thanks CJ
Love the fact this devolved into a MLB rant literally a minute in. Thank you for exposing me to that show and holding me at gunpoint in my cellar until I watched seasons one through four.
Starting off the video by strengthening my theory that all of his other videos are an excuse to review MLB, just fragmented and across multiple unrelated videos.
typed MLB on google because I'm an idiot and spent half a minute thinking you guys were talking about Baseball whilst questioning my sanity because I didn't remember hearing shit about baseball in minute one
You have to be the most ADHD-friendly essay channel I’ve ever stumbled across. You somehow take full advantage of my notorious “time blindness” by keeping me so engaged that I don’t even realize 42 minutes have passed. You also see things from a fun, unique and unapologetic perspective that I find so refreshing. Keep up the amazing work!
23:22 "Doubting your own capability, delegating responsibility, presuming you have nothing to offer in the name of 'humility'... You're refusing to make the world as good as it could be. If you're good at something you should claim it and offer it. Who's going to act on your passions if not you? I"ll tell you who: someone who cares less." Damn, this hit straight home. You had a couple of good lines before but this made me pause and reflect for a couple of minutes as it's something I struggle with every day: holding myself back out of this false sense of humility, but underneath it's doubt and insecurity at showing my potential, afraid (some) people will criticise and reject. Subbed.
The second theme of Spiderman, after responsibility, is learning your responsibility stops at others' autonomy. Repeatedly in canon, Peter does not honor others, deciding for them what they must want and are or are not capable of handling, and assuming he is not worthy, or they can't possibly love him enough, and needs to protect everyone from him by continuing to isolate himself. He learns responsibility, but never learns moderation.
That is defensible, but the other side of that coin is some weird "wussup protagonist-boi" hate-boners everybody has for Peter for suspiciously mediocre reasons. Half the shit he ends up dealing with is like "YOU WERE OUTPERFORMING ME in Biology 401! So I went to Professor Warren and asked him if he would do outrageously unethical experiments on me for extra credit! Now I'm INSANE so DIE!" He's narrowly escaping death like "denying all of the responsibility here would just be irresponsible by default, if you think about it..."
I keep thinking of Andrew’s Peter when you said this, like Gwen wanting to help him, repeatedly telling him it was her choice so he let her help. And in his mind HE got her killed. And while its untrue theres more justification in thinking that in Andrews movies than in NWH
and whats kind of ironic is, that mirrors the dispute between marvel and sony: they both know they have the power and money and ip's to make fantastic movies, if not fantastic cinema, but their borderline responsibility to do this high-budget, star-studded reboot of a successful, fan-favourite franchise justice with flashy effects, high-quality acting and "ooh wow" connections within the pre-existing mcu wasnt moderated by a genuine desire to create meaningful, real art that has an impact on its audience and a meaningful result in the context of the world that it was created as a part of. unfortunately, this isn't just more isolated stock-standard hollywood corporate greed. this led to the conclusion of one of the most influential and lucrative superhero trilogies in recent memory being worse than just cheap or disappointing or unnecessary - it led to the story of, if not for endgame, the most anticipated finale in all of marvel being a waste, of everything it has been so far and everyone who has worked so hard to make this trilogy what it was up to this point.
I wouldn’t say that Peter’s reason for doing the spell is selfish, it’s more that he’s misguided. Even though his loved ones are telling him they’re fine, he’s so insecure that he can’t believe that they are actually fine. He feels like he ruined everyone’s life even though everyone is telling him otherwise.
Yeah, even disregarding the forehead scratch, MJ almost died like at least 2 times in NWH alone, not to mention that her being investigated by the feds is pretty serious. Its understandable from his perspective why he would think, like, "ok no, this superhero thing is my burden to bear and people I love don't deserve the danger, even if that's something they want". That's reasonable and not selfish imo. Also I'm pretty sure that this Peter is going to get back together with his friends and the superboys crew in the next ansamble thing anyway
@@MM-hf6om peter is afraid about ruining others lives like he already has , because being spiderman has ruined his lives and put others around him lives in danger , but he has a responsibility and decides to do what he thinks is the right thing, he basically kills peter parker , only spiderman is left
CJ talking about Jesus and everyone being a child of God is so ADHD and yet some of the most powerful words about Christianity I have heard and the whiplash of crying and laughing was extreme.
@@moosewinchester8552 I would argue one can definitely like or admire Jesus and not believe in being religious practice at the same time. It settles a lot of the internal turmoil of a religious upbringing in my personal experience anyway
@@FreyaEinde he literally says this (though rather quickly) in the video "whether you think he's the son of god or just very based..." There you go his acknowledgement that Jesus was a chill boy
@@umcThunder72 I mean I know that's what our emo host thinks and feels, but the commenter I was responding to might be conflicted and in need of assurance from a random know it all stranger who requires my narrative and gifts.
@@FreyaEinde Exactly. You can acknowledge the reality of Jesus being fictional and still admire him. It's like admiring superman while recognizing that he's fictional.
Unrelated to the point of this video but I just wanna vent about how Doctor Strange was characterized in this movie as an extremely fucking dense and irresponsible asshole, the kind of person who blames all their own mistakes and stupidity on those around them in order to appear smart. I would go so far as to say the wish and its consequences were like 90% directly his fault (he held the power of the wish, he executed the wish despite warnings, then proceeded to explain literally nothing about how it works to Peter before initiating it and then berating him for not knowing the exact mechanics of his magic.) How can he get angry at peter, an emotional teenager, for asking him to cast such a dangerous spell when he had ALL the power and understanding to say no. I was so pissed off about his characterization at that point that I said to my friend "they better have a moment where they turn this on his head and point out this is all his fault or im actually gonna be kind of mad." They have ONE line where MJ points it out and it gets quickly swept under the rug played for laughs. Bruh that man should have had a fucking soliloquy apologizing for his actions.
You acting like IW never happened. He literally didn't even think about destroying it bc of an OATH. Or that he was too arrogant to use the time stone on Thanos or the other enemies.
Marvels shift to serialized programming via Disney plus is interesting to me. More character based work, changes in story telling, etc. it’s a sign to me that the grand vision for the phases of the mcu wasn’t sustainable narratively- they pretty much cannibalized themselves- meaning how many apocalypses can you have until it’s not fun anymore
I feel as though it’s not that it wasn’t sustainable narratively however cinematically it gets lost in translation as the shift from the Stan Lee Marvel Cinematic Universe guided by his hand shifts to a corporate phenomenon everyone is trying to get a piece of.
Literally the problem with the actual comics industry. Event comics have ruined the medium. A good event every 5-10 years is fine. 4-5 every year is way too much.
@@holbvgbbbbkfz Don't be an idiot. Stan wrote a ton of what is known as Marvel Comics. Did he take extra credit, sure. Does he also deserve a ton of credit on his own, absolutely.
I have no idea how interesting it's going to be and how long they will be able to keep everyone's attention after the multiverse plotline is over. It's going to be interesting to see
I actually don't think Ned is fine at all after the memory wipe The amount of foreshadowing to paralleling the "best friend to spidey's enemy" in the movie was a lot. I'm genuinely willing to bet the next movie will be Ned going against spiderman for whatever reason probably with his new wizardly powers too The memory wipe took away the character development but it gave us a look into more of his character we wouldn't have known otherwise and if that wasn't a suspicious writing choice then idk what is
nick is one of my fav characters so it would hurt me a lot if he turned against peter and became a villain. but feelings aside, this character twist would be so sickkkk
you dont just speak fast you GO THROUGH YOUR POINTS RAPIDLY. every second is crucial to advancing the nuance. you point out the problem with scorcese's thinking while acknowledging the insane twitter user behavior and what your stance on art is in its full extent, all in record time. legend shit
I interpreted the ending as Peter realizing it would be batshit crazy to read the script he wrote to a barista who just met him and is literally just trying to do their job. I assumed he realized this and decided to take things slow.
I think he also realized she was happy. That by budging into her life, he would be selfish. He would risk her happiness for his own, her life, her family. Everyone.
Yes, I didn’t think the band-aid was sexist but a reminder that the events of NWH were still pretty recent, and Peter should take his time. I assume he’s gonna talk with MJ and Ned at some point because Peter kept the coffee cup MJ served him and the Emperor Palpatine LEGO minifigure for Ned.
Peter could have taken things slow by TALKING TO HER after he put his script in his pocket. That scene not showing the beginning of some kind of relationship between them is nonsensical, except that it provides a narrative excuse for Sony to make Spider Man movies which are not beholden to the one that required them to split the profits with Disney.
@@Robstafarian What, you expect him to start flirting from the first day? They had some small talk and he want away. In the last scene, you see the same type of coffee cup on his table - which means he's a regular customer there. Presumably, they're talking and befriending each other.
"I can't not see the meta-narrative" is such a fantastic point. Media does not exist in a vacuum; our consumption of media does not exist in a vacuum. Excellent point among many others in this video
This is my problem with the Loki TV show. I can't not see that Hiddleston is wanting to start a family and stepping back from the MCU, but they need a "new Loki" since it isn't like a character with a 5,000 year natural life expectancy is going to go away.
@@scottchaison1001 The first season was all about beating up the old main timeline Loki and building up Sylvie as the superior variant. It's pretty clear they are replacing Hiddleston in the long run. IMDB said he won't appear in all the episodes of season 2 at the time I wrote my comment and that really tracks. The story goes well out of its way to artificially make Loki unlikable. The scene where he offers Sylvie a blanket and she calls it a tablecloth - and she's not wrong. No reason for that detail except to make Loki look stupid, and that's one of many. Phase 4 is not written as well as the previous MCU installments. Dr Strange MoM and Thor 4 just back that up. They kick us in the face with messaging because they don't trust the audience and it really breaks the immersion. The latest Dune film? Completely immersed, hardly noticed how the time passed. You know the movie is good when 2 hours later you still have your snack because you were too invested to eat it.
I think a lot of people are missing your point, and while not everyone has to agree, personally your point about MJ's autonomy really hit home for me. It seems like a breach of trust and completely disregarding MJ's own choices about her life. And while you can argue whether or not it was in-character for Peter Parker, the point is how the film frames it. And with the music cues and the way it frames MJ's life after the fact, it seems that it paints it more as a heroic but melancholy moment, instead of like "this is kinda fucked up, right?" And like you said, if that was made only because of or in part because of the business dealings of Sony and Marvel, that would suck. Also, I get that like everyone in the world is forgetting this stuff too, and there's philosophy there. But something like this would never happen irl, and I think the thing that Marvel films do really well (or sometimes not so well), is use the larger-than-life situations to tell stories about more down to earth ideas, like the relationships between the characters. So something this big happening to the main characters, to me, is clearly supposed to be viewed through that lens, and not like "but what if the whole universe really WAS going to rip apart and Dr. Strange magic was real?" Like the point of Thanos wasn't talking about what if a guy actually could use infinity stones, it was about his character motivations and what it meant for each of the heroes in the series to fail completely, and try to come back from that. Anyway, my two cents.
explained so well, i think in a larger sense that's what all great stories do, they use larger than life situations to comment on down to earth experiences. i love this about movies, the fact that we as people are able to all share and relate to an experience, simply by following along in a story. Not to sound too pretentious lmao, but it's kinda what makes art itself amazing too, the ability to connect with others through recounting shared experiences, life is beautiful and shit man
Reminds me of Doctor Who with Donna Noble. Like he’s an entire character arch with very specific moments of growth and depth. Let’s just wipe he clean and send her back where she started.
I'm really glad these conversations are finally being had. I remember walking out of the theater so deflated and telling people, "it was a lot of fun, but the ending, literally the last 10 minutes or so, kind of ruin it for me." I was actually angry at the ending for making Tom Holland's spiderman another loner hero... who must put aside such childish things as friendship and support systems.
@@monstermoo4191 that’s Spider-Man…. He struggles…he’s alone…him being Spider-Men makes his life difficult as Peter Parker…. People close to him would get hurt…
I would agree if MJ was handled like a special case. She wasn't. Sexism entails some degree of discrimination which never happened. In fact if Peter was gay he wouldve made the same choice. No doubt.
The "is the MCU art" discussion really boils down to "can something constructed by a monopoly specifically to create profit be art". Which is an interesting question, and I think that, depending on the individuals behind the scene and how much they specifically care, is that it can be art.
I think people conflate the word "art" with the word "good" or even "enjoyable" and "meaningful". There's some "bad" movies that I would not classify as "art" personally, that do make me cry every time and I genuinely love. I know I'm not necessarily adding anything to the discussion right now haha
@@littlemissmellopersonally I feel art has to have meaning. It doesn't have to be good, or even good at conveying the meaning it intends. But there's gotta be something there. There has to have been an artistic vision, a goal of what the world should take from it. And the only goal of the MCU is "make money" which isn't really artistic meaning. I'll respect an indie film using a cheap iPhone camera from 5 years ago infinitely more than a soulless cash extractor that forces everyone except the people who came up with the thing to inject some personal meaning into it or else they're just mindlessly slaving away at the grindstone and they did too many years of schooling to be a creative to just waste it all and be a glorified pencil pusher.
Btw, for all it's worth, Donald Glover DID play Spider-Man. He was Miles Morales for a couple of episodes of the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series, but hey, it counts!
I don't base my political viewpoints on you but I do base my entire media taste on you because you are objectively correct Miraculous Ladybug deserves a place at the centre of all our lives
You’ve taught me more about self-actualization, self-love, and self-esteem than anything person or form of media for all 19 years of my little life. You inspire me to work through my problems and figure out who I want to be and give myself the confidence and drive to fight for what I want and believe in. Yes, I will give you a pack of shredded cheese. The other rats can have a slice of bologna, as a treat. :)
keep at it! people are capable of amazing things. The world is full of things that slow us down or block our path, but there's nothing more amazing that you can do as a person than project your soul confidently into the world , whether people are listening or not. Be passionate about doing what you're great at! Hell, be passionate about learning from your fuckups! Just never forget your ability to make the world a more amazing place.
I watched this movie with no knowledge of anything Marvel. It was the first marvel spiderman movie I ever watched. It was enjoyable but whats more enjoyable is knowing that I took up a seat in that very crowded cinema, I lined up with a bunch of Marvel fanatics, I stayed to watch both end-credit scenes and I didn't really know what was going on at all. I was just there.
holy fuck, just getting and watching the latest installment of the single biggest franchise ever, that borrows so much substance from two previous franchises while having consumed nothing from the three of them, is just the widest flex possible in the year of our lord 2020 something
"i am not your role model" cj the x suddenly realizing maybe they are a role model by accident and reading up on communism as to not fuck up their teenage fans might be my favorite phase of cj the x.
I’m so glad someone said this. Insecure teenagers can be so caught up in their own low self esteem that they forget that people around them love them and don’t care about their insecurities. And this means that they’ll disregard their friends or partners feelings because “obviously they’re lying to me”. Even though it’s done with good intentions, this behavior is incredibly harmful and if you’re in a relationship with someone like this you need to explain to them why what they’re doing is harmful.
You've put into words what I thought on the surface but never dived deeper into. This movie has always felt like a fanfiction to me - one of those great fanfics that scratches at the itch in your brain, that is the highest dose of concentrated serotonin you could possibly want. But that's not a STORY, that's a fanfiction. It's meant to capture the high, not write a compelling narrative that one re-reads. I wanted to write a hundred thousand words about Far From Home because the story intrigued me so much and it took my mind to fascinating places. I don't want to write anything about No Way Home. There's no fanfiction to write. It is fanfiction, it's already written itself.
@@kat8559 I love fanfiction, and I write it often. This isn't a derogatory statement. There are fanfics that write incredibly complex narratives and are amazing to read and reread over and over, but that's not most of them. And that doesn't make them bad. Most of the time the inspiration of fanfic is the joy of events happening or characters doing specific things, not the joy of a structured narrative. NEITHER OF THESE THINGS ARE BAD! They're just different. But when I go to the cinema, I'm hoping for the latter, not the former.
I appreciate that you’re taking the time to learn things and telling your fans (many of whom are probably young and impressionable) “hey like I don’t have it figured out, probably don’t base your beliefs on me”. I feel like this is something more creators should do
Just wanted to shout out how both CJ and verilybitchie came to this same conclusion independently and made videos on it. Really cool to see people picking up on these things and sharing them as a community
I love watching CJ talk about movies I've never seen and never will. they can't ruin my delusional love for the piece of media because I don't have any. amazin.
I can't imagine any better way to learn what happened in this movie than having it filtered through a being of pure insightful chaos with deeply enviable eyeshadow
Unpopular Opinion: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is the only SM movie that ISN'T sexist -- the only one that never deploys the usual damsel-in-distress tropes. (Plus it features the best Aunt May in any universe.)
The idea that No Way Home was the most “theme park” of a movie we have to date was true until Doctor Strange 2 came out. Most wild, fun, intense, crazy experience I’ve ever seen but it was definitely a theme park more than a movie. Highly recommend, and Sam Raimi’s artistry is on full display so I feel bad not calling it cinema, but it’s just a crazy awesome spectacle.
I mean you're right, but I feel that's sorta ok in the meta-narrative context of giving Wanda a bang to go out with, and closure to her arc, and let Elizabeth Olsen be free from the MCU and pursue other roles (It seems this CJ video cursed me with not being able to unsee the meta-narratives anymore)
I feel that, now that the multiverse is a thing that will be explored by the Avengers heroes in future Marvel media, we'll start to feel more like this with each movie until the big Infinite War-like culmination film hits, or at least until they develop this overarching plot more. No Way Home: a fan-service-filled movie that ends with everyone's mind wiped of Spider-Man so he can start over; little was gained and little was lost (in terms of characterization - he's largely unchanged from the beginning of the movie as a character). Strange 2 - almost everything happened in other universes so nothing really mattered; a character believed to have died has now died again (or did she??) and characters remain largely unchanged from its beginning to its end.
multiverse of madness was wildly more sexist than this movie was. The conflict was literally a baby-crazy "witch" (as a pejorative) acting hysterical versus a "logical" man who is unable across the entire multiverse to find happiness without a romantic relationship. And that is just the surface level. No Way Home just had a bit of an autonomy issue. Not have the fundamental characters fall into 20th century stereotypes.
“little baby got a boo-boo and now i have to disregard your autonomy”-genuinely laughed out loud, that line is pure perfection. honestly it’s hard for me to not get parasocially connected to you because your way of looking at the world, vocabulary, philosophy, intelligence, humor, and just way of being inspire me deeply. the rest at the end really helped put sm in perspective for me, i think seeing the meta-narrative in everything is something i’ve been subconsciously doing for a while and from now on i will be doing consciously. and hearing mia cole and f.signifier in a cj the x video is my mcu crossover of the century
I routinely return to Into the Spider-Verse. The scene where Miles gets his powers continues to give me chills *to this day*. It is the best spiderman movie we have ever gotten. PERIOD. You don't need to know anything about comics or Spiderman to love that story and that is my biggest issue with Marvel these days. You need to have watched 25 films and 6 tv shows to keep up with anything going on at this point. You can't just be a casual viewer. You have to watch it all or nothing. I'm tired. Give me a break. I can't do it anymore. I want more movies like The Batman (2022). It was new and refreshing to not have the same movie again for the 26th time.
Yes you do need to know stuff about Spider-Man to like that story. Spiderverse wouldn't have anywhere near the impact of Spider-Man wasn't as popular and well known as he is.
@@ReaperBlaze76 not really. My mom knows absolutely nothing about Spider-Man and she has probably watched spider verse more than me. Yes any film that has source material is going to be better if you know that Material But my whole point is that you DON’T NEED to have invested hours upon hours of watching countless marvel movies to like spider verse. Like anyone going into Dr.stranger this weekend who hasn’t seen WandaVision or No Way Home is screwed and personally I don’t like that. You can’t be a casual viewer
The doorknob joke actualy makes sense. Can you imagine a really cool design utilising great feats of engegeering to make it renewable, light, strong and also the artistic flair in the looks, making it fit with many styles while still having character? Our modern view of architecture and capitalism's hatered for manual labor has made us ignorant of all of this.
Wow, this was really good! I felt the fan service the first time, but I didn't pick up on the betrayal of Zendaya until this essay. I think I read it as the usual "superheroes aren't able to have relationships because that endangers the ones they love" which was set up well with Aunt May's death, but I agree that this is super different because she literally asked for it. It's not like he just chose not to start dating someone who was visibly interested in him; like you said, they were dating and she really changed over the course of their relationship, she very clearly was okay with it being dangerous and specifically asked for him to make her remember again but nope one band-aid she already said was fine was enough to make him bail
@@sadistical4509 No it totally is, but I would argue that it's worse because Andrew was grappling with obeying her father's dying wish for him to stay away from her to keep her out of danger. This time it was Tom's choice alone to disregard what she wanted and expressed. Granted, this was set up a little better because he had just lost Aunt May, and would justifiably be worried about his impact on his loved ones. But the whole time, Zendaya was literally telling him how on board she was despite all that lmao
I do agree with what you are saying to an extent. Like you said when I first saw the movie, I thought the same that superheroes just choose not to have relationships to keep the people they care about safe. But after watching this video, I get that he took away her choice because before the spell took effect he told her exactly what would happen and she made the choice to tell him to help her remember afterwards, which he chose to go against. However, I do have a small argument in defense of the movie's decision. Peter is allowed to be wrong. He's a human character and after just losing his aunt his response is to go against MJ's wishes so that she is safe. His reasoning his justifiable in his head, but we, the audience, should still see his decision as wrong. That sort of mistake leaves room for development and change and maybe he will come to realize that was a mistake and MJ's wishes should be honored. I just hope the next movie addresses this issue and maybe Peter will seek her out again, at least trying to build a new relationship with her if her remembering the old stuff is impossible. Is it sexist? Yeah, kinda. But most well-written characters are flawed people that learn from their experiences and become better in the end. I just hope the next movie doesn't try to tell the audience that his decision was correct because that would be even more sexist.
@@spacecowboy8232 excellent point! The tone of the ending felt like it was trying to convey "tragic, but necessary" vibes, and if in the next one they're clear that it was a flaw on his part - an overreaction to his recent loss as he struggles to understand his role as a superhero with a normal life too - then I'm on board
i accidentally started playing this at 1.25 speed, carryover from my last watched video, and through the entire intro i was baffled that somehow cj seemed to have found a way to talk even faster and still be coherent. but if anyone could do it, it's cj
The funniest thing about your Kevin Feige convincing the Sony team to lend him spider-man sketch is that he did actually give a long list of notes on how he thought the amazing spider-man 2 could've been fixed before the movie came out but they only listened to one of his points
I mean, I agree that what they did to Michelle Jones was hella sexist, and ghoulish, and basically everything you said. I also agree with the whole 'this movie is a business deal brought to life' jam. That said, I do think that there was a narrative thread through it, namely: No matter how bad or evil your enemy is, they are still human beings. They're people who NEED help. First and foremost, they need to be stopped from hurting others, yes, but they are also part of the responsibility we have. With great power comes great responsibility. A responsibility to everyone. It mostly glimmers through when May is telling Peter he can't just shove a mentally unwell Norman Osborne to his own universe to die. The end result, the victory, is not that the villain dies (as is what happened to all of the villains present in the older movies), it's that he's given the help he needs. Which, imho was an interesting choice. You can of course argue that Peter already knew this in the first movie, and even the second because he never meant for Jake Gyllenhaal to die, but this is the point driven to its most extreme: Are you still going to be merciful when the other person has taken away one of the people you love the most in the world? And now Peter understands that even if someone does something atrocious, they're still his responsibility to help. Just too bad that he learned dogshit about how to treat his girlfriend.
I agree with this point and it was my initial takeaway too when I thought about the narrative immediately after viewing. It did feel shallow because it seems like it was only contained in this movie on its own rather than this slower multi-movie buildup that we see in many of the other threads mentioned in the video. It's almost as if they wanted to do more but the "deal plot" got in the way. Also does anyone else get the impression that this stripping of MJ's agency is almost like a fan service power fantasy in and of itself? E.G. who needs webs n' shit when you can dictate a "submissive" partners entire reality? Can this what Dr. Strange's character is building towards in the upcoming movie? But that is a slippery slope so I'll just stop there I guess.
@@wittythings ....you idiots it was a sacrifice. He SACRIFICED everything to save the world. They may have had to lose their memories of him but they're alive. The world is saved. Suggest a better way he could've saved the world.
I don't know that the stripping MJ of her agency was a power fantasy trip, I'm not even entirely sure the movie was trying to sell it as a 'good thing Peter did' instead of a colossal mistake. However, it's funny that you mention Doctor Strange, because the second time I watched the movie it struck me that none of the villains are the movie's antagonist. They're victims, bystanders spiderman needs to save. Instead, Doctor Strange very much fulfills the role of antagonist. He's the one who is almost constantly ruining things for Peter and getting pitted against him. It's not like it was in Homecoming, where Tony Stark was the mentor guy who was always right. Instead, Doctor Strange is the one who tells Peter what to do to fix a problem Strange made (dude's the one with the spell knowledge. He should've known not to cast it willy nilly without preparation.) He's the one who tells Peter not to help the villains, who fights Peter over their fates and who ultimately does more bad than good in the end. The universe is objectively worse off without May, and without MJ being open to people. I would bet that it's a clear sign towards how Strange's hubris can lead him to become a worse person. As it stands, it seems that some version of Strange will be a legit villain in Multiverse of Madness, so this kind of behaviour is quite on point for him. As a final point, Strange's presence and his behaviour in this movie very much falls in line with Peter trusting someone other than himself to fix the problem instead of believing in himself. The endresult is that he needs other versions of himself (who have already failed in the past) to trust and guide him to get it right.
Ok yes- thats the whole point of the movie but its undercut by the fact that peter has to be saved from making the same mistake (murder). Honestly- would be a whole lot less mad if he had been able to accept the responsibility of saving someone who hurt him, instead of having to be physically stopped. Whole thing would be a nice narrative arc in at least one way even if they had to ruin the MJ thing for $.
love how ur in a corner on this one. just sitting down in a corner like I was looking for the quietest place in a house party and bumped into u talking to urself about spiderman
@@jazwhoaskedforthis right like just nodding along every now and then uhumm... hmm yeah yeah im sure that's why that.. yeah hmm do u know what time it is? my ride's coming soon
I definitely felt that given proper character development, it would have seemed more likely Peter would have actually reminded her. And what irked me about the whole thing, was that by not doing so he, completely overrode her autonomy. Most people weren't conscious of the choice to have their memory altered, but she was, and by not following up on his promise. He stole from her the ability to chose for herself. She had her most precious memories and relationship stolen from her under the condition it would be returned. That condition was her consent, and without it her consent was violated.
Not exactly. The spell was going to happen regardless of what she wanted. Their promise was more akin to childhood friends talking about how they still talk after one moves. Also given what Peter's arc is suppose to be in this movie, learning not to let his selfless actions be undemined by selfish desires, it would make sense for him not to tell her about what happend unless he has strong proof that doing so would mainly benefit her.
@@fightingmedialounge519 sorry to clarify I’m agreeing with you and adding that I feel like it’s stupid to say it’s only sad that Mj didn’t have a say when every single person in his life forgot him not just Mj.
This is a severely disturbing way of describing the situation, and inaccurate to the actual events of the movie. MJ would have consented to losing her memory regardless, as otherwise everyone, including herself, would have died in the massive rip between realities. That was her way of feeling better about it, as well as reassuring Peter, but ultimately she would have gone with it either way. This isn’t some creepy screwed up brainwashing narrative, this was something that HAD to happen, and MJ was aware of that. Peter fully intended to follow up on his promise until he saw that she was living a much happier life without him. I still completely understand feeling that he should have kept his promise, but the only reason he didn’t speak to her was because he felt he shouldn’t interfere with her new chance at a happier life. He actually thought of speaking to her as defining her life for her, as she would feel obligated to him again and would again risk messing up her own life. Although it can be argued that his actions disregarded her autonomy, that was clearly not what he intended, and although upon finding out that he didn’t tell her she would probably be angry, I doubt she would feel violated or controlled in the way you imply. Considering that the memory wipe affected the entire world and existed to prevent the destruction of spacetime and presumably the death of every character in the MCU, and therefore MJ would have agreed to it regardless of whether he promised to meet with her again, calling it a “violation of consent” is inaccurate and a very inflammatory and potentially needlessly triggering use of language.
Alright, so I studied the comment section for a good ~10 minutes and what I found out was: The video used to be 47 minutes long and everyone enjoyed it. Then, roughly an hour ago, it got cut down to just barely over two minutes. Some people who were watching the video while that happened were able to see the full version while others had the video cut off where they currently were
It could be a copyright claim thing. There may be sections of the video that he is re-editing to clear the bots. Just a guess though. It's a shame as those of us in other timezones didn't get to watch :(
Okay, apparently, what happened (from CJ's Twiter): "never try to use the TH-cam Studio video editor to cut 2 seconds from your 40 minute youtube video then go to sleep"
Did not expect a sermon from a spiderman movie analysis to hit so hard. Im not even christian and it reallt got to me. Combination of ridiculous characters and ideas and genuine raw feelings about existance. I love art.
i’m only 3 minutes into watching this but it’s already been a blast. i’ve been teleported to 12 different dimensions w just your editing & voice. thank u sm for this, bestie.
« She’s got a band-aid, she doesn’t need agency » I am dying over here. I literally don’t care if I agree or not. Your anger’s yours, and you’re using it well.
So, I've been in recovery for self-harm for about 4 years and the parts of your video about self-worth and value really hit. Probably stuff I've needed to hear for a while now without realizing it. Thanks for that; it made a difference for me today. And for all your videos - constant bangers. 10/10
CJ, you break the "10 hour Joseph Anderson-type" video essay meta by just talking so fast that you cover 2 hours of discussion in 40 minutes while polishing the shit out of the script so that it really only feels like 10.
@@giratina6665 so I haven't seen the essay, but isn't the point of Souls-classes that no one build should be objectively superior, and you should be able to roleplay as whatever class you want?
@@tristanneal9552 it should be and it would be completely fair if it isn't implemented well and critisizing that but the premise of his point was discarding subjectivity of experience completely which I find to be a ridiculous take. Make your own impression tho, I haven't even watched it fully myself
I'd actually put forth the argument that a lot of Peter's constant apology is out of projection and fear. He is reassured by MJ that this is where she wants to be, but he is terrified of those he cares about suffering the consequences of associating with him. *He's* afraid of them getting hurt or killed, *he's* afraid of losing them. This comes to a head in the movie with Osbourne's murder of May, and the theme of trauma, particularly from loss, and how one copes with it, holds a large presence in the film. Osbourne as The Goblin is a wonderful villain in how he targets his foils, a psychological torture and manipulation by threatening emotional ties; and with these bonds of friendship and family being so solid and positive in the text, with how many people Peter keeps in his circle, Osbourne has many fruit to pick and so will any other Villains that may come along. And thus the ending. Peter, with his newfound anonymity protects not MJ but himself from a dangerous or uncomfortable arrangement. Peter, as a coping mechanism, has closed himself off from such intimate relationships.
Yea and I feel it’s on track for his character, to go off the deep end at some point. When things don’t work out his emotions become a lot to bare plus trauma he makes blunt decisions. I blame strange a bit and I’m not letting that go, but I understand why he made that decision I just think he hurt himself a lot aswell. His relationships affectedly only live with him
I kind of like no way home walking back on “let’s give kids the killer drones the US army uses to massacre Arab people” message of far from home. Even with the responsibility reading, “no one man should have all that power” is sometimes a good conclusion to poorly considered ambitions. As you analyzed Peter is being selfish with the mind wipe spell, but he’s being selfish BECAUSE he fears not doing it is the actual selfish action. His misconception of what is good makes him fuck up. Humans are humans, ipso facto humans will fuck up, learning nuances of fuck upery make good cautionary tales. I didn’t watch the movie all the context i have is from this review
during the jesus part when he said "with great power comes great responsibility" my headphones announced that their battery is low just at the right moment and "with great power comes great responsibility" turned into "with great power comes low battery"
Definitely some good points… BUT to be fair, I think Tom’s Peter is thinking about what he learned from Andrew’s Peter in that scene. Andrew’s Peter tells him that he lost his mj and then right after that Peter almost lost mj in that fall. Andrew was able to save her when Peter couldn’t. I think this cemented the idea of those consequences for him and confirmed that he can’t always save her.
When you said, "Who's gonna act on your passions if not you?" I literally took a pause. That's MUCH more impactful for me than the similar quote, "Be the change you want to see in the world." So for the longest time I've been passionate about the queer community. I've been researching our history and learning about different identities and such since I was in elementary school. More recently, I did a paper on mental health and queer youth. I learned a lot about the negative things that affect us and how support, such as from a GSA club or parent, can help tremendously. My school doesn't have a GSA and I felt this building feeling of "Our school should have this; it's important." I had heard other people talk about starting a GSA club but no one had actually tried. So, despite being terrified of pushback, I did. Because like you said, who's gonna act on my passion (and do it well) but me? It feels like a lot of responsibility to have to be the one to Change The World™ but if you reframe it as "acting on a passion" it's easier to accept that you CAN do it and that your goal is obtainable.
"Everyone wants what marvel has, but refuse to do what marvel did. Make a few humble solo movies, work off that, then do a team up movie as a payoff. It's that simple." Meanwhile Sonic the Hedgehog is about to be the ONE film franchise that MIGHT be actually able to make their own cinematic universe LIKE MARVEL BUT NOT EXACTLY LIKE MARVEL. Why? They have someone at the helm WHO CARES. ABOUT. THE CHARACTERS, NOT THE MONEYS. Jeff Fowler is a godsend to Sonic. The first is a humble buddy story that is find the mcguffin; get the rings. Explore who movie Sonic is as a character. Simple easy to follow GSU: Goals, stakes, urgency. Goal: get the rings. Stakes: Sonic and Tom are being chased by the government and Eggman, Sonic's life is on the line. Urgency: find the rings before Eggman finds Sonic. Got it. SECOND movie expands on that-brings in Tails and Knuckles. Tails IDOLIZES Sonic, wants to be like him. Knuckles wants Sonic to become past tense. At first. Sonic has to realize being a hero isn't just for you, you now have the responsibility to use your powers to ensure the people you love don't get hurt. He only realizes this after Tails gets severely hurt. When he and Knuckles have a heart to heart on the beach. HE comes to that conclusion on his own, not one person shoves it down his throat-Tom plants the idea, he sees it himself later. This is expanding Sonic's character to no longer just be the cocky SOB meta Sonic is, but the kind, heroic, selfless hedgehog we all know him to be. What are the goals, stakes and urgency here? Goal: race to the compass to find the emerald. Stakes: get the master emerald before the other team. Urgency: get the emerald before eggman gets it and destroys the world. Got it. THEN they introduce SHADOW the god damn hedgehog for movie 3, paving the way for Amy Rose, Rouge the Bat, but not all in ONE movie they know that would be over crowded. So, they do this one character at a time, at most two at a time. So for movie 3, Amy and Shadow. I can see them further expanding Sonic's characterization to question his morality, question how far he'll go to stop someone, to save the people he loves cause SHADOW IS A THREAT. Once he takes off his inhibitor rings it's over 9000 level baby. They're already making a Knuckles spin off series, so perhaps Rouge will be introduced there. Sonic is a character who LITERALLY doesn't have a single fck to give when it comes to others' opinions on him. It's not out of being cocky or mean like the 2010 era Sonic, but it's out of NECESSITY. He HAS to be the villain sometimes, to be the hero. It's best said in Black Knight: when faced with the prospect of killing King Arthur would make him the villain in the eyes of the people Sonic LITERALLY responds "guess I can't be the hero all the time." THAT is taking responsibility for your actions, understanding your power, your choices. THAT is who Sonic is; freedom, the wind, ever changing, never bowing to anyone. Movie Sonic does care about what others think of him, but I can definitely see him coming into his own as well, especially against a threat like Shadow. The important thing to note, is they're saving the big Shadow sht fight for movie 3, NOT SHOVING IT INTO MOVIE 2 BECAUSE WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU? There's no build up, no characterization explored, no world building expanded if you fast travel to the fight. You can't just have heroes fighting on screen because that one other movie did it. There needs to be reason WHY. Reasons that make sense. Through things that were built up well. Sonic the Hedgehog 2020 sets up the universe and characters and stakes and villain. Sonic the Hedgehog 2022 expands the universe and brings in new players while further developing the hero. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 will have to continue expanding the universe and develop not just Sonic, but Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, and potentially Amy. It's A LOT but it's a WORTH WHILE earned thing because the first two movies have already done the hard parts-set everything up. By introducing Shadow, we're now into the deep cut of Sonic lore. The writers don't HAVE to have time set aside for character and plot to be explained in exposition, aside from Shadow's backstory. That's it. They have the games to go off of, and they have been doing just that, while making the movies their own thing, much like how Marvel is. And it's smart. It allows the characters to breathe and feel like CHARACTERS with actual stakes. Not just things happening on the screen for 2 hours. A movie without stakes is just white noise, a movie that's just white noise has no meaningful plot, if a movie has no meaningful plot why care about the characters. It's writing 101. HOW IS IT THAT SONIC IS GETTING THINGS RIGHT OUT THE GATE AND DC IS STILL SCREWING THINGS UP INTO 2022?! It's EMBARRASSING.
@@aquababy5 I can't believe I wrote a whole a$$ essay on SONIC THE GOD DAMN HEDGEHOG but worth my time if someone got intrigued enough to check em out. I do recommend them they are a wholesome time.
thank you for taking to time and writing this, sonic deserves it. I dont think the new movies have a lot to say in terms of deep themes or high art, but its fun and compelling, and (at least in the second one imo) does a hell of a lot better than marvel or dc movies at taking themes from its source material, understanding them, and presenting them in a meaningful way with good visual design.
They gave Peter a negative arc. A REALLY bad thing happened in his life, and it traumatized him to the point that he will abandon his responsibilities if it means not feeling that pain again. This was completely on accident, and you are right, an unpredictable byproduct of a business decision. Oh honey, you thought this movie was frustrating? Wait till they don't even address it in the next movie.
@@fatuousinnovatorofsadness4640 not really what I meant. I'm saying your interpretation of what the film was conveying oversimplified the recurring element in the film to the point you aren'teven aware of what it is. That being not letting your personal wants undermine altruistic acts. As you can see I was able to convey that without spoiling anything.
* As someone who very very strongly agreed with everything you had to say about Lee Pace Vampire in your previous video, I'm surprised about your reaction to Andrew Garfield. * Had to pause to catch my breath at the Pikachu * Watching Andrew Garfield remove his mask without any background cheering was genuinely weird wtf this is why I don't want to watch the movie again.
@@bigbadgammagnome I was making three separate, unrelated statements and I'm a firm believer in making things easier for the reader. I do my best with the limited tools TH-cam gives me.
You can see something similar to the cheer thing if you watch sitcoms without laugh tracks. It’s interesting because you can see how the actors have to literally pause after a line before continuing
I've said this before and I'll say it again: your editing and talking style hits my ADHD just right 😩 even if I don't have the screen on I'm completely engaged to the audio. Never change dude, never change
No Way Home was a fun movie, but it failed to have a cohesive story. The studio was too busy adding the maximum possible fan-service at all costs. Another great video, thanks!
for me the plot hole created by the tensions of the business deal is this: Stephen Strange, one of the smartest and most powerful dudes in the MCU just fires up a reality altering spell on the spur of the moment based on a request from a teenager without any real discussion about the parameters beforehand. Nope. It's not going to happen like that unless there is someone offstage manipulating the narrative. With great power comes great responsibility
I believe it was originally supposed to be america from MoM doing it but since MoM ended up being released after NWH they kind of got screwed over with that
This was my first video of yours I watched. I didn’t know what to expect but I was absolutely blown away. From your love of miraculous, to your takes on cinema, to moments of self worth, and most surprising super based takes on christ and what it means to be a child of god. Like holy crap, you had me tearing up. You bet I’m subscribing and adding that stuff
imagine living in a different timezone, so when you are finally able to sit down and watch it, the video of your favorite youtuber is already reduced to 2 minutes so you can never experience it's full glory
When i hear Fd on the voiceovers , like so many other times with my favorite video essayists feature each other without mentioning it , i'm like "breadtube illuminati ?" i don't care if it is lol it's nice to know people i respect respect each other.Great video as always you monster.
Hey man, I'm going through the hardest time of my life rn. I spent 30 minutes crying and regretting my life choices. Your intro made me smile, thank you for that. I appreciate your humor.
@@brookemuzzatti9710 contrapoints, another long form analyst from what is commonly called “Breadtube” Her content is genuinely fun bough, if you like CJ then you may like her as well
I would HOPE so much.... that the ramifications of erasing an entire person from your history is explored in the next set of movies with Ned. Ned and Peter have been best friends assuming past homecoming and civil war(maybe), and their lives have been molded by being there for each other growing up. Ned could have a shittier life going forward from feeling a piece of himself missing, and also MISSING that piece of yourself that you can’t even identify and that influences his future from peters decision. You don’t even have to deal with this in the SM4 just follow it over the next set of films until Ned goes crazy or something. this would show me and establish to the universe that when Doctor Strange describes the memory spell as “standard” that that means it’s meant for stupid minuscule shit like forgetting an embarrassing kamar taj party, but not erasing people from another persons life history as that feels like it COULD and SHOULD wreck a person mentally and emotionally. my other unrelated hope is that the next film deals with a Peter Parker struggling to rebuild his life culminating in a lesson of “the world needs Peter Parker too, not just Spider-Man” as Peter will teeter towards just being Spider-Man only and full time but recognizes balance between his two lives and how it’s important to have an impact as the person you are and not hide from the world in fear you’ll ruin things just by being there. 0:35 A year later and I’m still saying “and I shan’t expound…” whenever I say something wild.
There's probably not gonna be a next film. Tom said his contract was for three movies. The ending could have you interpret all this though, like Peter slowly becoming friends with them again
Everyone should watch Daredevil. It’s got to be one of the top 3 things Marvel has made, it’s a genuinely good show even if you don’t like Marvel. And they really emphasize Matt’s Catholicism which you don’t see in most shows nowadays. It’s clear that it’s a very important part of his character
It also (in keeping with the theme of this video) has fucking great female characters. I was genuinely shocked watching it the first time that a comic book adaptation managed to have so many women I just loved the writing for, lol
This man's ability to aggressively shake his cup of wine near the electric plug while spittin' some actual facts it's kind of a big damn flex, love you cj
@@jts2543thats because the ones who "strike you as Christains" are usually just devoted to the surface-level religious circle-jerking that Jesus specifically called out. the real ones spend more energy maintaining the effort to be good, as opposed to the optics of being good
If they had gone a little harder with the whole “Spider-Man has been cancelled” idea they could have done an interesting extension of the themes of the previous themes along the lines of “what if YOU (Spider-Man) have recognized your power, but no one ELSE recognizes your ability to fulfill your responsibilities anymore” I don’t know where they would have gone story wise from there but I think that would work thematically.
The way I open mouth CACKLED at "I'm actually a quarter homeless on my dad's side."
KHADIJAAAAAA
So cool seeing you here~
I did the same thing 😅 🤣
I actually texted it to my sister because I cackled so hard!!
That's literally what sold me on watching the entire video LMAO
I like how you structured the video after the three acts of a traditional hero's journey: "Intro", "Light Miraculous Season 4 Spoilers" and "The Rest".
“They/them violence in Hawaii” killed me
honestly as a woman when i watched this the only thing i thought was "jesus christ does peter hate himself?" lol because that's exactly what self hatred does. no matter how many times the people you love assure you that they want you, you still feel like they'd be better off without you. reminds me of madoka from madoka magica in a weird way
Pretty sure he does, it’s a pretty defining trait in the comics and it’s why a lot of people empathise with him. He’s a regular guy who struggles to balance a difficult life on minimum wage with being a good person.
I think that’s why people weren’t big fans of the first two movies, even though i thought they where great, because it wasn’t really Peter to them, while even if this movie sort of backtracks on some fo that stuff it DOES cement him as the Peter Parker everybody WANTED to see.
i think that was the point...thats one of his character traits is insecurity. u ever watch any other spiderman movies??
Peter doesn’t hate himself - Disney loves money.
It’s bad writing to force long term “conflict” by resetting characters.
As Spider-man fan since I was 5: Yes, Peter hates himself.
Thank you for reminding me to go watch Madoka magica so I can cry (but in a good way)
Naturally CJ finds a way to talk about Miraculous in a Spiderman video
Miraculous cannot be stopped
Miraculous is Spider-Man but Ladybugs
Spoilers cmon man 😔
@@flowerzika7852 spoiler alert? Peter Parker love triangle season 5
Isn’t that show like… really bad?
the speed these videos move at scratches my brain. i’m sick of video essays that take forever to get to the point but this is true satisfaction
I watch at 1.5 speed and the cadence is 👌🏿
@@DragonwolfoftheSands what a power move omg
Cringe
CJ doesn't get to the point until the 26 minute mark tho
@@returnalnocturnal7729 foreplaying the point endlessly until it inevitably ejaculates a beautiful point into the senses of the watcher is cinema - martin scorsese probably
amazing video
the way you explained mj’s mind swipe as basically death definitely explained a lot of the depressing feeling of the ending for me. the fact that doctor stranges spell didn’t have any ambiguity let me know that this was practically a death to peter and a reincarnation in a world where no one knows who he is, so it felt very helpless when he said he would find her and make her remember
does that make sense at all i don’t know
mr nick can you please tell cj the x that their video glitched and now it's 2 minutes long for some reason thank you king
@@emillegal-search-and-seizure lmao I thought it was only me who didn't get why everyone was talking about stuff from the video when it's only 2 minutes long
@@helila yeah I had a moment where I was like wait, today isn't April first is it?
wait i thought everyone was doing like a bit and nobody actually saw the full video beyond two minutes and eight seconds
HEY YOU GUYS VERY RECENTLY ALSO WATCHED THIS ROGHT?! DOES IT END AT 2:09 WHEN YA'LL REFRESH TOO OR IS THAT JUST ME
"if you're good at something, you should claim it and offer it. Who's gonna act on your passions if not you? I'll tell you who: someone who cares less"
As someone who is extremely self-conscious and admittedly not the best at editing or expressing myself, I really like this quote because I am also painfully passionate about the dumbest stuff and I struggle to get myself to execute or even how to execute on...well, how. I'm extremely lost but have so much random information and interests that'd be awesome to share. It's a massive part of my personality that I'm more passionate than most people. So I'd like to do something creative about it someday
i been, verbatim, in this exact situation
finding ur medium & pinching together those interests in a felicitous, authentic way is cathartic in a real particular way that i think is worth the floppin around at first
im really excited for ur future, hope u figure it out soon
Heyyy! OP I think you need to look into whether you might be neurodivergent! /gen
Try new things out! Join a group! Make something with clay or cook something new!
genuinely me too, i hope you continue to do the things that you love and share it with the world when you’re ready. i’m rooting for you!!💓
I feel that OP. I get really passionate about the weirdest things. Right now I'm obsessing about moss
"By hating yourself you're doing a bad job at serving others. You're dishonoring God" ok that didn't have the right to hit that hard
asocial, atheists with low self-esteem: Don't mind if I do
I mean... I'm probably God's only mistake, so I don't really care.
@@jocosesonata whether u belive in him or not i just want to tell u that ur not a mistake, ur an awesome person don’t be so hard on yourself
@@orion2015
Not much of a religious sort, but in the first line to many of my darkest days, despite my indifference to either the theistic and the atheist, I prayed to God to end my suffering. Destroy me completely, erase my existence, I no longer want to live, nor continue on to the next life. And in return, I will give everything and anything, my love, my devotion, I will be zealous to the highest interpretation of that word.
I received nothing.
Resenting God for ignoring my one and only wish, a simple task, a blink of that all-seeing eye would've been enough to remove me, especially with that mighty omnipotence. I turned the other way. I beseeched below, at Satan, directed to any and all the denizens of Hell, any demon who so desired, grant me this one wish, and I will give everything and anything, no matter the cost.
I received... Nothing.
No angelic voices telling me to push on, to fully convert me. No dark whispering, beckoning malice to turn me to untold depravity and satanic worship. Nothing from either side. Not even false promises of the Devil, no trickery for me to believe my wish will become true, only to eschew all promises. Absolutely nothing.
No angel, nor demon. No God, no Devil.
Since then, I hold either side with utmost contempt. As surely, they look upon me with utter disgust. To ignore a stupid, pathetic, weak and vulnerable child. Easy pickings. Yet, nothing came.
I am the only mistake. I am the only thing wrong with the world. Everything is going accordingly to plan, a natural cycle, except me. An error. A failure. The thing that should not be born. Undeserving, and worthless.
I've fallen far too deep. There was a time where I could be saved, that moment has long past. I am a lost cause. Hopeless.
I am a coward, as well. No matter how intense the urge, how urgent the intent, I've yet to even make an attempt at my life.
I am rotting inside. I'm long past the definition of dead, I'm simply rotting.
@@jocosesonata nah, i also basically wanted God to obliviate me for years & God never answered that one either
see if you WERE some kind of mistake, wouldn't the universe be only too happy to delete you?
“My favorite black Spider-Man is the Donald Glover version I made up in my head”
This hits too hard. Donald Glover deserved to be Spider-Man. And I hope they do him at least a little bit of Justice by allowing him to be an amazing Prowler.
Yeah or childish gambino
Donald glover literally inspired the character of miles morales
Donald Glover would be a perfect Peter Parker
@@vespertil10 no he didn’t?? Where’d you hear that from?
@@OGseoulite marvel had plans to kill 1610 peter parker, they needed to introduce a new spiderman, brian michael bendis had recently adopted two daughters, both black, and wanted to create a black superhero, this paired with the campaigning for donald glover to be cast as spiderman in the upcoming 2012 spiderman reboot led to the creation of miles morales
When I saw this movie, my girlfriend asked if I was gonna "do that thing where I tear into a movie for an hour and then conclude with 'but I enjoyed it'" and that is both exactly what I did and what I now feel extra justified in doing after this video
Also with how much you talk about MJ I can't get past the idea of why he "has to come find her" after. Like. Your all standing near a torn apart statue of liberty with an unmasked spiderman. Why else are you there. Just... Don't leave?? Just wait 30 second and say "hey guys, crazy story"
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I think it's left deliberately ambiguous if the survivors of the spell were left on the statue island, or if as part of the spell they were put back in their respective corners
bruh if that aint me!! i do that thing too. not just with movies, but lots of things... lol
@@emilynoce7980 It would all seem too soon imho, I understand why he wouldn't do that there
When she knows you that well, you know you struck Relationship goals status.
It becomes way more obvious how messed up what Peter did was if you bring it more into real world terms. Like imagine MJ was going into some risky brain operation that could leave her with severe memory loss, and before going in Peter agreed that no matter what he would stay with her and help her remember. Then he just leaves.
pretty obvious that was wishful thinking. He's not gonna "make her remember" This is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
@@__keys yeah he's not gonna make anyone remember anything because magic but he could AT LEAST be by her side. even if they never end up dating again, even if things are never like they were he should try
she doesn't know him though. So he should just stalk her?@@error707detected
Now imagine he put her in the scenario in the first place and forgetting about him is better for her safety? What about that part?
@@demonwearingpalmangels4537 the biggest mistake spider-man makes in almost all his iterations is isolating himself in hopes of protecting his loved ones. this works of course, but at extremely high costs: his mental health, his efficiency, his emotional well-being. someone like this won't be able to properly protect his people anyway. so if she already knows its dangerous being affiliated with him and repeatedly chooses to be with him anyway then its his duty to honor her wishes. even if he caused her an injury it doesn't negate her autonomy to choose him as part of her life.
if we put this in real terms like if peter was a cop and failed to protect his girlfriend from a brain injury caused by a gang he was trying to arrest: would we expect him to abandon her at the hospital and cut her out of his life forever because it would be too dangerous for her? or would the right thing be to express regret for his failing but make it up to her by being there for her?
I'm getting into a serious relationship rn, and this take on Peter and MJ's ending made me think about how I shouldn't let my insecurities or my self-imposed sense of duty get in the way of what SHE wants too. Thanks CJ
damn you right
Is it sexist to be that way?
@@enoklol9657 not necessarily sexist, but yes inconsiderate and potentially selfish
Love the fact this devolved into a MLB rant literally a minute in. Thank you for exposing me to that show and holding me at gunpoint in my cellar until I watched seasons one through four.
i got about 5 minutes in wondering where baseball was coming into play before i realized MLB stands for miraculous lady bug
Starting off the video by strengthening my theory that all of his other videos are an excuse to review MLB, just fragmented and across multiple unrelated videos.
I know what you mean, but I honestly thought you were talking about Major League Baseball
@@AdmiralSarcasm I immediately said "Martin Luther Bing" so you're not alone
typed MLB on google because I'm an idiot and spent half a minute thinking you guys were talking about Baseball
whilst questioning my sanity because I didn't remember hearing shit about baseball in minute one
You have to be the most ADHD-friendly essay channel I’ve ever stumbled across. You somehow take full advantage of my notorious “time blindness” by keeping me so engaged that I don’t even realize 42 minutes have passed. You also see things from a fun, unique and unapologetic perspective that I find so refreshing. Keep up the amazing work!
ADHD here too and I agree! However for me it sometimes gets to a sensory overload level and have to take at least one pause halfway through
@@mochhhhee true
EXACTLY!!! The video ends and I’m like wait… I could’ve been here another hour. Please keep speaking
the video isnt two minutes and eight seconds for you?
@@arachnid5660 I am also trying to figure out if everyone’s taking the piss or if there was an error
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"Doubting your own capability, delegating responsibility, presuming you have nothing to offer in the name of 'humility'... You're refusing to make the world as good as it could be. If you're good at something you should claim it and offer it. Who's going to act on your passions if not you? I"ll tell you who: someone who cares less."
Damn, this hit straight home. You had a couple of good lines before but this made me pause and reflect for a couple of minutes as it's something I struggle with every day: holding myself back out of this false sense of humility, but underneath it's doubt and insecurity at showing my potential, afraid (some) people will criticise and reject.
Subbed.
his whole speech about self love was actually so well formulated and then he just moved on hahah
Dam this guy got me really thinking my insecurities in a new light.
The second theme of Spiderman, after responsibility, is learning your responsibility stops at others' autonomy. Repeatedly in canon, Peter does not honor others, deciding for them what they must want and are or are not capable of handling, and assuming he is not worthy, or they can't possibly love him enough, and needs to protect everyone from him by continuing to isolate himself. He learns responsibility, but never learns moderation.
That is defensible, but the other side of that coin is some weird "wussup protagonist-boi" hate-boners everybody has for Peter for suspiciously mediocre reasons. Half the shit he ends up dealing with is like "YOU WERE OUTPERFORMING ME in Biology 401! So I went to Professor Warren and asked him if he would do outrageously unethical experiments on me for extra credit! Now I'm INSANE so DIE!"
He's narrowly escaping death like "denying all of the responsibility here would just be irresponsible by default, if you think about it..."
I keep thinking of Andrew’s Peter when you said this, like Gwen wanting to help him, repeatedly telling him it was her choice so he let her help. And in his mind HE got her killed. And while its untrue theres more justification in thinking that in Andrews movies than in NWH
and whats kind of ironic is, that mirrors the dispute between marvel and sony: they both know they have the power and money and ip's to make fantastic movies, if not fantastic cinema, but their borderline responsibility to do this high-budget, star-studded reboot of a successful, fan-favourite franchise justice with flashy effects, high-quality acting and "ooh wow" connections within the pre-existing mcu wasnt moderated by a genuine desire to create meaningful, real art that has an impact on its audience and a meaningful result in the context of the world that it was created as a part of. unfortunately, this isn't just more isolated stock-standard hollywood corporate greed. this led to the conclusion of one of the most influential and lucrative superhero trilogies in recent memory being worse than just cheap or disappointing or unnecessary - it led to the story of, if not for endgame, the most anticipated finale in all of marvel being a waste, of everything it has been so far and everyone who has worked so hard to make this trilogy what it was up to this point.
@@stevemerollis5508 What are you talking about?
@@bentheperson8992 ¿?
I wouldn’t say that Peter’s reason for doing the spell is selfish, it’s more that he’s misguided. Even though his loved ones are telling him they’re fine, he’s so insecure that he can’t believe that they are actually fine. He feels like he ruined everyone’s life even though everyone is telling him otherwise.
Yeah, even disregarding the forehead scratch, MJ almost died like at least 2 times in NWH alone, not to mention that her being investigated by the feds is pretty serious. Its understandable from his perspective why he would think, like, "ok no, this superhero thing is my burden to bear and people I love don't deserve the danger, even if that's something they want". That's reasonable and not selfish imo.
Also I'm pretty sure that this Peter is going to get back together with his friends and the superboys crew in the next ansamble thing anyway
Selfish😅? May is dead . Hes got quite a bit of proof hes ruining his loved ones lives
@@MM-hf6om ... Because of his selfish choice. Without that May would be alive.
@@RoseInTheWeeds thats the point
@@MM-hf6om peter is afraid about ruining others lives like he already has , because being spiderman has ruined his lives and put others around him lives in danger , but he has a responsibility and decides to do what he thinks is the right thing, he basically kills peter parker , only spiderman is left
CJ talking about Jesus and everyone being a child of God is so ADHD and yet some of the most powerful words about Christianity I have heard and the whiplash of crying and laughing was extreme.
no like literally. i thought i made peace with god and my religious trauma and being mostly atheist and now I'm crying
@@moosewinchester8552 I would argue one can definitely like or admire Jesus and not believe in being religious practice at the same time. It settles a lot of the internal turmoil of a religious upbringing in my personal experience anyway
@@FreyaEinde he literally says this (though rather quickly) in the video "whether you think he's the son of god or just very based..." There you go his acknowledgement that Jesus was a chill boy
@@umcThunder72 I mean I know that's what our emo host thinks and feels, but the commenter I was responding to might be conflicted and in need of assurance from a random know it all stranger who requires my narrative and gifts.
@@FreyaEinde Exactly. You can acknowledge the reality of Jesus being fictional and still admire him. It's like admiring superman while recognizing that he's fictional.
Unrelated to the point of this video but I just wanna vent about how Doctor Strange was characterized in this movie as an extremely fucking dense and irresponsible asshole, the kind of person who blames all their own mistakes and stupidity on those around them in order to appear smart. I would go so far as to say the wish and its consequences were like 90% directly his fault (he held the power of the wish, he executed the wish despite warnings, then proceeded to explain literally nothing about how it works to Peter before initiating it and then berating him for not knowing the exact mechanics of his magic.) How can he get angry at peter, an emotional teenager, for asking him to cast such a dangerous spell when he had ALL the power and understanding to say no. I was so pissed off about his characterization at that point that I said to my friend "they better have a moment where they turn this on his head and point out this is all his fault or im actually gonna be kind of mad." They have ONE line where MJ points it out and it gets quickly swept under the rug played for laughs. Bruh that man should have had a fucking soliloquy apologizing for his actions.
THIS
literally the entire plot would have been avoided if he had actually explained the spell
You acting like IW never happened. He literally didn't even think about destroying it bc of an OATH. Or that he was too arrogant to use the time stone on Thanos or the other enemies.
That's been bugging all the way back since the trailer came out
Yeah they made Dr. Strange’s character flatter than my white ass
Marvels shift to serialized programming via Disney plus is interesting to me. More character based work, changes in story telling, etc. it’s a sign to me that the grand vision for the phases of the mcu wasn’t sustainable narratively- they pretty much cannibalized themselves- meaning how many apocalypses can you have until it’s not fun anymore
I feel as though it’s not that it wasn’t sustainable narratively however cinematically it gets lost in translation as the shift from the Stan Lee Marvel Cinematic Universe guided by his hand shifts to a corporate phenomenon everyone is trying to get a piece of.
Stan Lee didn't do shit for marvel all he did is take credit of works from greats in the industry jack kerby
Steve ditko and etc
Literally the problem with the actual comics industry. Event comics have ruined the medium. A good event every 5-10 years is fine. 4-5 every year is way too much.
@@holbvgbbbbkfz Don't be an idiot. Stan wrote a ton of what is known as Marvel Comics. Did he take extra credit, sure. Does he also deserve a ton of credit on his own, absolutely.
I have no idea how interesting it's going to be and how long they will be able to keep everyone's attention after the multiverse plotline is over. It's going to be interesting to see
I actually don't think Ned is fine at all after the memory wipe
The amount of foreshadowing to paralleling the "best friend to spidey's enemy" in the movie was a lot. I'm genuinely willing to bet the next movie will be Ned going against spiderman for whatever reason probably with his new wizardly powers too
The memory wipe took away the character development but it gave us a look into more of his character we wouldn't have known otherwise and if that wasn't a suspicious writing choice then idk what is
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Bro that would be so SICK! It would also be an interesting way of bringing back Spider-Man in general. I hope he gets brought back.
nick is one of my fav characters so it would hurt me a lot if he turned against peter and became a villain. but feelings aside, this character twist would be so sickkkk
@@gedeonnunes5626 honestly can you imagine a Goblin with portal powers??? Would be absolutely sick
Kkk we got him but that was a parody
Cj is to Miraculous
As
F.D is to wrestling
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Tbh I don't think a large enough % of your output is about wrestling to justify that statement
Hi sir love ur vids
bruh i knew i recognized your voice lmaoo
Gotta put that on the next SAT.
you dont just speak fast you GO THROUGH YOUR POINTS RAPIDLY. every second is crucial to advancing the nuance. you point out the problem with scorcese's thinking while acknowledging the insane twitter user behavior and what your stance on art is in its full extent, all in record time. legend shit
you miss one line and you're lost it's brilliant
I interpreted the ending as Peter realizing it would be batshit crazy to read the script he wrote to a barista who just met him and is literally just trying to do their job. I assumed he realized this and decided to take things slow.
I think he also realized she was happy. That by budging into her life, he would be selfish. He would risk her happiness for his own, her life, her family. Everyone.
Yes, I didn’t think the band-aid was sexist but a reminder that the events of NWH were still pretty recent, and Peter should take his time. I assume he’s gonna talk with MJ and Ned at some point because Peter kept the coffee cup MJ served him and the Emperor Palpatine LEGO minifigure for Ned.
same, it seemed like he was just gonna do something else to talk to her at another time
Peter could have taken things slow by TALKING TO HER after he put his script in his pocket. That scene not showing the beginning of some kind of relationship between them is nonsensical, except that it provides a narrative excuse for Sony to make Spider Man movies which are not beholden to the one that required them to split the profits with Disney.
@@Robstafarian What, you expect him to start flirting from the first day? They had some small talk and he want away. In the last scene, you see the same type of coffee cup on his table - which means he's a regular customer there. Presumably, they're talking and befriending each other.
"I can't not see the meta-narrative" is such a fantastic point. Media does not exist in a vacuum; our consumption of media does not exist in a vacuum. Excellent point among many others in this video
This is my problem with the Loki TV show. I can't not see that Hiddleston is wanting to start a family and stepping back from the MCU, but they need a "new Loki" since it isn't like a character with a 5,000 year natural life expectancy is going to go away.
What are you talking about?
@@scottchaison1001 The first season was all about beating up the old main timeline Loki and building up Sylvie as the superior variant. It's pretty clear they are replacing Hiddleston in the long run. IMDB said he won't appear in all the episodes of season 2 at the time I wrote my comment and that really tracks. The story goes well out of its way to artificially make Loki unlikable. The scene where he offers Sylvie a blanket and she calls it a tablecloth - and she's not wrong. No reason for that detail except to make Loki look stupid, and that's one of many.
Phase 4 is not written as well as the previous MCU installments. Dr Strange MoM and Thor 4 just back that up. They kick us in the face with messaging because they don't trust the audience and it really breaks the immersion. The latest Dune film? Completely immersed, hardly noticed how the time passed. You know the movie is good when 2 hours later you still have your snack because you were too invested to eat it.
We are done with Death of the Author debates. Time to take it to Death of the Studio Executives.
I think a lot of people are missing your point, and while not everyone has to agree, personally your point about MJ's autonomy really hit home for me. It seems like a breach of trust and completely disregarding MJ's own choices about her life. And while you can argue whether or not it was in-character for Peter Parker, the point is how the film frames it. And with the music cues and the way it frames MJ's life after the fact, it seems that it paints it more as a heroic but melancholy moment, instead of like "this is kinda fucked up, right?" And like you said, if that was made only because of or in part because of the business dealings of Sony and Marvel, that would suck.
Also, I get that like everyone in the world is forgetting this stuff too, and there's philosophy there. But something like this would never happen irl, and I think the thing that Marvel films do really well (or sometimes not so well), is use the larger-than-life situations to tell stories about more down to earth ideas, like the relationships between the characters. So something this big happening to the main characters, to me, is clearly supposed to be viewed through that lens, and not like "but what if the whole universe really WAS going to rip apart and Dr. Strange magic was real?" Like the point of Thanos wasn't talking about what if a guy actually could use infinity stones, it was about his character motivations and what it meant for each of the heroes in the series to fail completely, and try to come back from that. Anyway, my two cents.
explained so well, i think in a larger sense that's what all great stories do, they use larger than life situations to comment on down to earth experiences. i love this about movies, the fact that we as people are able to all share and relate to an experience, simply by following along in a story. Not to sound too pretentious lmao, but it's kinda what makes art itself amazing too, the ability to connect with others through recounting shared experiences, life is beautiful and shit man
Reminds me of Doctor Who with Donna Noble. Like he’s an entire character arch with very specific moments of growth and depth. Let’s just wipe he clean and send her back where she started.
I'm really glad these conversations are finally being had. I remember walking out of the theater so deflated and telling people, "it was a lot of fun, but the ending, literally the last 10 minutes or so, kind of ruin it for me."
I was actually angry at the ending for making Tom Holland's spiderman another loner hero... who must put aside such childish things as friendship and support systems.
@@monstermoo4191 that’s Spider-Man…. He struggles…he’s alone…him being Spider-Men makes his life difficult as Peter Parker…. People close to him would get hurt…
I would agree if MJ was handled like a special case. She wasn't. Sexism entails some degree of discrimination which never happened. In fact if Peter was gay he wouldve made the same choice. No doubt.
The "is the MCU art" discussion really boils down to "can something constructed by a monopoly specifically to create profit be art". Which is an interesting question, and I think that, depending on the individuals behind the scene and how much they specifically care, is that it can be art.
and add in how much propaganda is in the movies as well
@@adisaster8734 At least personally, I'd be a lot more confident saying "all propaganda is art" than "all movies are art."
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Anything can be "art." Art is what you make of it.
I think people conflate the word "art" with the word "good" or even "enjoyable" and "meaningful". There's some "bad" movies that I would not classify as "art" personally, that do make me cry every time and I genuinely love.
I know I'm not necessarily adding anything to the discussion right now haha
@@littlemissmellopersonally I feel art has to have meaning. It doesn't have to be good, or even good at conveying the meaning it intends. But there's gotta be something there. There has to have been an artistic vision, a goal of what the world should take from it.
And the only goal of the MCU is "make money" which isn't really artistic meaning. I'll respect an indie film using a cheap iPhone camera from 5 years ago infinitely more than a soulless cash extractor that forces everyone except the people who came up with the thing to inject some personal meaning into it or else they're just mindlessly slaving away at the grindstone and they did too many years of schooling to be a creative to just waste it all and be a glorified pencil pusher.
Btw, for all it's worth, Donald Glover DID play Spider-Man. He was Miles Morales for a couple of episodes of the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series, but hey, it counts!
he's canonically miles morales' uncle in the mcu!
I don't base my political viewpoints on you but I do base my entire media taste on you because you are objectively correct Miraculous Ladybug deserves a place at the centre of all our lives
yes yes yes
Hard disagree with his guardians of the Galaxy opinion
This comment is love, it's life, it's the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
I don't get it
going from cj the x's rapid quick fire talking to f.d signifier's smooth slow voice is gave me whiplash
literally had to double check whose video I was watching... like
You’ve taught me more about self-actualization, self-love, and self-esteem than anything person or form of media for all 19 years of my little life.
You inspire me to work through my problems and figure out who I want to be and give myself the confidence and drive to fight for what I want and believe in.
Yes, I will give you a pack of shredded cheese. The other rats can have a slice of bologna, as a treat. :)
This comment needs to hang in the Louvre
keep at it! people are capable of amazing things. The world is full of things that slow us down or block our path, but there's nothing more amazing that you can do as a person than project your soul confidently into the world , whether people are listening or not. Be passionate about doing what you're great at! Hell, be passionate about learning from your fuckups! Just never forget your ability to make the world a more amazing place.
I watched this movie with no knowledge of anything Marvel. It was the first marvel spiderman movie I ever watched. It was enjoyable but whats more enjoyable is knowing that I took up a seat in that very crowded cinema, I lined up with a bunch of Marvel fanatics, I stayed to watch both end-credit scenes and I didn't really know what was going on at all. I was just there.
_I wanted to say something more profound but honestly the only thing I can think of is "Holy shit, that's sad."_
@@じゃがいものソース nah it was kinda funny
Wow.
Did you watch other spider-man movies before
holy fuck, just getting and watching the latest installment of the single biggest franchise ever, that borrows so much substance from two previous franchises
while having consumed nothing from the three of them, is just the widest flex possible in the year of our lord 2020 something
Yes same!!
"i am not your role model" cj the x suddenly realizing maybe they are a role model by accident and reading up on communism as to not fuck up their teenage fans might be my favorite phase of cj the x.
I hope CJ also reads about anarchism.
'My favourite black spiderman is the Donald glover version I made up in my head.' I feel this.
I’m so glad someone said this.
Insecure teenagers can be so caught up in their own low self esteem that they forget that people around them love them and don’t care about their insecurities. And this means that they’ll disregard their friends or partners feelings because “obviously they’re lying to me”. Even though it’s done with good intentions, this behavior is incredibly harmful and if you’re in a relationship with someone like this you need to explain to them why what they’re doing is harmful.
You've put into words what I thought on the surface but never dived deeper into. This movie has always felt like a fanfiction to me - one of those great fanfics that scratches at the itch in your brain, that is the highest dose of concentrated serotonin you could possibly want. But that's not a STORY, that's a fanfiction. It's meant to capture the high, not write a compelling narrative that one re-reads. I wanted to write a hundred thousand words about Far From Home because the story intrigued me so much and it took my mind to fascinating places. I don't want to write anything about No Way Home. There's no fanfiction to write. It is fanfiction, it's already written itself.
I get what you're saying but there's some really good fanfic out there that has more story and conflict than no way home
@@mochhhhee A good annotation to put at the end.
Not fanfiction, it's a poorly executed story. Fanfiction does not equal bad or lesser fiction.
@@kat8559 I love fanfiction, and I write it often. This isn't a derogatory statement. There are fanfics that write incredibly complex narratives and are amazing to read and reread over and over, but that's not most of them. And that doesn't make them bad. Most of the time the inspiration of fanfic is the joy of events happening or characters doing specific things, not the joy of a structured narrative. NEITHER OF THESE THINGS ARE BAD! They're just different. But when I go to the cinema, I'm hoping for the latter, not the former.
*Laughs in fix-it fic*
I appreciate that you’re taking the time to learn things and telling your fans (many of whom are probably young and impressionable) “hey like I don’t have it figured out, probably don’t base your beliefs on me”. I feel like this is something more creators should do
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this video is C I N E M A
I love your content Thomas
Yet somehow also a theme park ride.
omg you're here as well???? best crossover ever
Just wanted to shout out how both CJ and verilybitchie came to this same conclusion independently and made videos on it. Really cool to see people picking up on these things and sharing them as a community
I love watching CJ talk about movies I've never seen and never will. they can't ruin my delusional love for the piece of media because I don't have any. amazin.
As someone who lives under a rock myself, I approve of this message
I can't imagine any better way to learn what happened in this movie than having it filtered through a being of pure insightful chaos with deeply enviable eyeshadow
Unpopular Opinion: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is the only SM movie that ISN'T sexist -- the only one that never deploys the usual damsel-in-distress tropes. (Plus it features the best Aunt May in any universe.)
Gwen isn't really a damsel in ASM 1
Best one too
Yes
Yes
MJ didn't really seem like a damsel in distress in this movie though... did we watch the same movie?
The idea that No Way Home was the most “theme park” of a movie we have to date was true until Doctor Strange 2 came out. Most wild, fun, intense, crazy experience I’ve ever seen but it was definitely a theme park more than a movie. Highly recommend, and Sam Raimi’s artistry is on full display so I feel bad not calling it cinema, but it’s just a crazy awesome spectacle.
I mean you're right, but I feel that's sorta ok in the meta-narrative context of giving Wanda a bang to go out with, and closure to her arc, and let Elizabeth Olsen be free from the MCU and pursue other roles
(It seems this CJ video cursed me with not being able to unsee the meta-narratives anymore)
@@wydx120 I doubt she is dead. We didn’t see a body and Wanda survived worse.
I feel that, now that the multiverse is a thing that will be explored by the Avengers heroes in future Marvel media, we'll start to feel more like this with each movie until the big Infinite War-like culmination film hits, or at least until they develop this overarching plot more. No Way Home: a fan-service-filled movie that ends with everyone's mind wiped of Spider-Man so he can start over; little was gained and little was lost (in terms of characterization - he's largely unchanged from the beginning of the movie as a character). Strange 2 - almost everything happened in other universes so nothing really mattered; a character believed to have died has now died again (or did she??) and characters remain largely unchanged from its beginning to its end.
multiverse of madness was wildly more sexist than this movie was.
The conflict was literally a baby-crazy "witch" (as a pejorative) acting hysterical versus a "logical" man who is unable across the entire multiverse to find happiness without a romantic relationship.
And that is just the surface level. No Way Home just had a bit of an autonomy issue. Not have the fundamental characters fall into 20th century stereotypes.
“little baby got a boo-boo and now i have to disregard your autonomy”-genuinely laughed out loud, that line is pure perfection. honestly it’s hard for me to not get parasocially connected to you because your way of looking at the world, vocabulary, philosophy, intelligence, humor, and just way of being inspire me deeply. the rest at the end really helped put sm in perspective for me, i think seeing the meta-narrative in everything is something i’ve been subconsciously doing for a while and from now on i will be doing consciously.
and hearing mia cole and f.signifier in a cj the x video is my mcu crossover of the century
I routinely return to Into the Spider-Verse. The scene where Miles gets his powers continues to give me chills *to this day*. It is the best spiderman movie we have ever gotten. PERIOD. You don't need to know anything about comics or Spiderman to love that story and that is my biggest issue with Marvel these days. You need to have watched 25 films and 6 tv shows to keep up with anything going on at this point. You can't just be a casual viewer. You have to watch it all or nothing. I'm tired. Give me a break. I can't do it anymore. I want more movies like The Batman (2022). It was new and refreshing to not have the same movie again for the 26th time.
Yesss and if a film is only good because of its references, then it's not that good
right
@@willbyers_clizzy So SpiderVerse is bad is what you're saying
Yes you do need to know stuff about Spider-Man to like that story.
Spiderverse wouldn't have anywhere near the impact of Spider-Man wasn't as popular and well known as he is.
@@ReaperBlaze76 not really. My mom knows absolutely nothing about Spider-Man and she has probably watched spider verse more than me. Yes any film that has source material is going to be better if you know that Material But my whole point is that you DON’T NEED to have invested hours upon hours of watching countless marvel movies to like spider verse. Like anyone going into Dr.stranger this weekend who hasn’t seen WandaVision or No Way Home is screwed and personally I don’t like that. You can’t be a casual viewer
The way nearly *every* CJ video connects back to Miraculous in some way, we stan continuity. 🥰🐞
I literally started watching that show because of their video like two days ago and now this video soft spoils the ending of season 4
CJ talking about Jesus and religion for 2 minutes was more impactful to me than 23 years of going to church
The doorknob joke actualy makes sense. Can you imagine a really cool design utilising great feats of engegeering to make it renewable, light, strong and also the artistic flair in the looks, making it fit with many styles while still having character? Our modern view of architecture and capitalism's hatered for manual labor has made us ignorant of all of this.
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Wow, this was really good! I felt the fan service the first time, but I didn't pick up on the betrayal of Zendaya until this essay. I think I read it as the usual "superheroes aren't able to have relationships because that endangers the ones they love" which was set up well with Aunt May's death, but I agree that this is super different because she literally asked for it. It's not like he just chose not to start dating someone who was visibly interested in him; like you said, they were dating and she really changed over the course of their relationship, she very clearly was okay with it being dangerous and specifically asked for him to make her remember again but nope one band-aid she already said was fine was enough to make him bail
It's sort of like how Andrew treated Gwen at the end of The Amazing Spiderman 2..... Oh wait.
@@sadistical4509 No it totally is, but I would argue that it's worse because Andrew was grappling with obeying her father's dying wish for him to stay away from her to keep her out of danger. This time it was Tom's choice alone to disregard what she wanted and expressed. Granted, this was set up a little better because he had just lost Aunt May, and would justifiably be worried about his impact on his loved ones. But the whole time, Zendaya was literally telling him how on board she was despite all that lmao
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I do agree with what you are saying to an extent. Like you said when I first saw the movie, I thought the same that superheroes just choose not to have relationships to keep the people they care about safe. But after watching this video, I get that he took away her choice because before the spell took effect he told her exactly what would happen and she made the choice to tell him to help her remember afterwards, which he chose to go against.
However, I do have a small argument in defense of the movie's decision. Peter is allowed to be wrong. He's a human character and after just losing his aunt his response is to go against MJ's wishes so that she is safe. His reasoning his justifiable in his head, but we, the audience, should still see his decision as wrong. That sort of mistake leaves room for development and change and maybe he will come to realize that was a mistake and MJ's wishes should be honored. I just hope the next movie addresses this issue and maybe Peter will seek her out again, at least trying to build a new relationship with her if her remembering the old stuff is impossible.
Is it sexist? Yeah, kinda. But most well-written characters are flawed people that learn from their experiences and become better in the end. I just hope the next movie doesn't try to tell the audience that his decision was correct because that would be even more sexist.
@@spacecowboy8232 excellent point! The tone of the ending felt like it was trying to convey "tragic, but necessary" vibes, and if in the next one they're clear that it was a flaw on his part - an overreaction to his recent loss as he struggles to understand his role as a superhero with a normal life too - then I'm on board
i accidentally started playing this at 1.25 speed, carryover from my last watched video, and through the entire intro i was baffled that somehow cj seemed to have found a way to talk even faster and still be coherent. but if anyone could do it, it's cj
The funniest thing about your Kevin Feige convincing the Sony team to lend him spider-man sketch is that he did actually give a long list of notes on how he thought the amazing spider-man 2 could've been fixed before the movie came out but they only listened to one of his points
I mean, I agree that what they did to Michelle Jones was hella sexist, and ghoulish, and basically everything you said. I also agree with the whole 'this movie is a business deal brought to life' jam. That said, I do think that there was a narrative thread through it, namely: No matter how bad or evil your enemy is, they are still human beings. They're people who NEED help. First and foremost, they need to be stopped from hurting others, yes, but they are also part of the responsibility we have.
With great power comes great responsibility. A responsibility to everyone.
It mostly glimmers through when May is telling Peter he can't just shove a mentally unwell Norman Osborne to his own universe to die. The end result, the victory, is not that the villain dies (as is what happened to all of the villains present in the older movies), it's that he's given the help he needs. Which, imho was an interesting choice.
You can of course argue that Peter already knew this in the first movie, and even the second because he never meant for Jake Gyllenhaal to die, but this is the point driven to its most extreme: Are you still going to be merciful when the other person has taken away one of the people you love the most in the world? And now Peter understands that even if someone does something atrocious, they're still his responsibility to help.
Just too bad that he learned dogshit about how to treat his girlfriend.
I agree with this point and it was my initial takeaway too when I thought about the narrative immediately after viewing. It did feel shallow because it seems like it was only contained in this movie on its own rather than this slower multi-movie buildup that we see in many of the other threads mentioned in the video. It's almost as if they wanted to do more but the "deal plot" got in the way.
Also does anyone else get the impression that this stripping of MJ's agency is almost like a fan service power fantasy in and of itself? E.G. who needs webs n' shit when you can dictate a "submissive" partners entire reality? Can this what Dr. Strange's character is building towards in the upcoming movie? But that is a slippery slope so I'll just stop there I guess.
@@wittythings ....you idiots it was a sacrifice. He SACRIFICED everything to save the world. They may have had to lose their memories of him but they're alive. The world is saved. Suggest a better way he could've saved the world.
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I don't know that the stripping MJ of her agency was a power fantasy trip, I'm not even entirely sure the movie was trying to sell it as a 'good thing Peter did' instead of a colossal mistake.
However, it's funny that you mention Doctor Strange, because the second time I watched the movie it struck me that none of the villains are the movie's antagonist. They're victims, bystanders spiderman needs to save. Instead, Doctor Strange very much fulfills the role of antagonist.
He's the one who is almost constantly ruining things for Peter and getting pitted against him. It's not like it was in Homecoming, where Tony Stark was the mentor guy who was always right. Instead, Doctor Strange is the one who tells Peter what to do to fix a problem Strange made (dude's the one with the spell knowledge. He should've known not to cast it willy nilly without preparation.) He's the one who tells Peter not to help the villains, who fights Peter over their fates and who ultimately does more bad than good in the end. The universe is objectively worse off without May, and without MJ being open to people.
I would bet that it's a clear sign towards how Strange's hubris can lead him to become a worse person. As it stands, it seems that some version of Strange will be a legit villain in Multiverse of Madness, so this kind of behaviour is quite on point for him.
As a final point, Strange's presence and his behaviour in this movie very much falls in line with Peter trusting someone other than himself to fix the problem instead of believing in himself. The endresult is that he needs other versions of himself (who have already failed in the past) to trust and guide him to get it right.
Ok yes- thats the whole point of the movie but its undercut by the fact that peter has to be saved from making the same mistake (murder). Honestly- would be a whole lot less mad if he had been able to accept the responsibility of saving someone who hurt him, instead of having to be physically stopped. Whole thing would be a nice narrative arc in at least one way even if they had to ruin the MJ thing for $.
love how ur in a corner on this one. just sitting down in a corner like I was looking for the quietest place in a house party and bumped into u talking to urself about spiderman
That is exactly the vibe. And then you get sucked into a mostly one sided convo rant while trying to appear more sober than you are.
@@jazwhoaskedforthis right like just nodding along every now and then uhumm... hmm yeah yeah im sure that's why that.. yeah hmm do u know what time it is? my ride's coming soon
The most parasocial thing I’ve ever done is see the notification for this upload and physically say “oh hey, I missed you!” with my human voice
19:01 hearing someone call jesus a “really based rabbi” is something i didnt know i needed
I definitely felt that given proper character development, it would have seemed more likely Peter would have actually reminded her.
And what irked me about the whole thing, was that by not doing so he, completely overrode her autonomy. Most people weren't conscious of the choice to have their memory altered, but she was, and by not following up on his promise. He stole from her the ability to chose for herself. She had her most precious memories and relationship stolen from her under the condition it would be returned. That condition was her consent, and without it her consent was violated.
Not exactly. The spell was going to happen regardless of what she wanted. Their promise was more akin to childhood friends talking about how they still talk after one moves. Also given what Peter's arc is suppose to be in this movie, learning not to let his selfless actions be undemined by selfish desires, it would make sense for him not to tell her about what happend unless he has strong proof that doing so would mainly benefit her.
@@fightingmedialounge519 literally everyone forgot him not just Mj people are reaching.
@@constantlyannoying OK? Are you disagreeing, agreeing, a little bit of both.
@@fightingmedialounge519 sorry to clarify I’m agreeing with you and adding that I feel like it’s stupid to say it’s only sad that Mj didn’t have a say when every single person in his life forgot him not just Mj.
This is a severely disturbing way of describing the situation, and inaccurate to the actual events of the movie. MJ would have consented to losing her memory regardless, as otherwise everyone, including herself, would have died in the massive rip between realities. That was her way of feeling better about it, as well as reassuring Peter, but ultimately she would have gone with it either way. This isn’t some creepy screwed up brainwashing narrative, this was something that HAD to happen, and MJ was aware of that. Peter fully intended to follow up on his promise until he saw that she was living a much happier life without him. I still completely understand feeling that he should have kept his promise, but the only reason he didn’t speak to her was because he felt he shouldn’t interfere with her new chance at a happier life. He actually thought of speaking to her as defining her life for her, as she would feel obligated to him again and would again risk messing up her own life. Although it can be argued that his actions disregarded her autonomy, that was clearly not what he intended, and although upon finding out that he didn’t tell her she would probably be angry, I doubt she would feel violated or controlled in the way you imply. Considering that the memory wipe affected the entire world and existed to prevent the destruction of spacetime and presumably the death of every character in the MCU, and therefore MJ would have agreed to it regardless of whether he promised to meet with her again, calling it a “violation of consent” is inaccurate and a very inflammatory and potentially needlessly triggering use of language.
Alright, so I studied the comment section for a good ~10 minutes and what I found out was:
The video used to be 47 minutes long and everyone enjoyed it. Then, roughly an hour ago, it got cut down to just barely over two minutes. Some people who were watching the video while that happened were able to see the full version while others had the video cut off where they currently were
Good god i was so confused
It could be a copyright claim thing. There may be sections of the video that he is re-editing to clear the bots. Just a guess though.
It's a shame as those of us in other timezones didn't get to watch :(
I read from two people that at one point, it was cut down to 8 minutes.
Okay, apparently, what happened (from CJ's Twiter):
"never try to use the TH-cam Studio video editor to cut 2 seconds from your 40 minute youtube video then go to sleep"
OHHH so that’s why I was seeing so many comments referencing things that weren’t in the 2 minute video I saw 2 days ago
The rant about what defines a "leftist" was the most relatable thing I have seen in a long time. I feel this in my *bones*
same
Did not expect a sermon from a spiderman movie analysis to hit so hard. Im not even christian and it reallt got to me. Combination of ridiculous characters and ideas and genuine raw feelings about existance. I love art.
i’m only 3 minutes into watching this but it’s already been a blast. i’ve been teleported to 12 different dimensions w just your editing & voice. thank u sm for this, bestie.
Weeks of avoiding spoilers just for me to purposefully spoiler myself by watching this video because CJ is simply more important
how have you managed to avoid spoilers this long 😭
@@lm3183 idk I don’t have any social media outside of TH-cam so I guess that worked for me lol
@@mcfrog5473 this is crazy
Proud of you
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I am dying over here. I literally don’t care if I agree or not. Your anger’s yours, and you’re using it well.
Never thought about it but "White guy, New York, Cinema" does describe a lot of his films lmao
Would you prefer "black guy cinema"?
So, I've been in recovery for self-harm for about 4 years and the parts of your video about self-worth and value really hit. Probably stuff I've needed to hear for a while now without realizing it. Thanks for that; it made a difference for me today. And for all your videos - constant bangers. 10/10
That Jesus interlude hit harder than a sermon, and honestly motivated me in my faith
aggresively realistic yet absurdist rants at 200% talking speed about Jesus are on another level
CJ, you break the "10 hour Joseph Anderson-type" video essay meta by just talking so fast that you cover 2 hours of discussion in 40 minutes while polishing the shit out of the script so that it really only feels like 10.
Don't remind of the one with Elden Ring bad because I can't find out which playstyle is the superior one with my selfimposed arbitrary categorisation
@@giratina6665 so I haven't seen the essay, but isn't the point of Souls-classes that no one build should be objectively superior, and you should be able to roleplay as whatever class you want?
@@tristanneal9552 it should be and it would be completely fair if it isn't implemented well and critisizing that but the premise of his point was discarding subjectivity of experience completely which I find to be a ridiculous take. Make your own impression tho, I haven't even watched it fully myself
@@giratina6665 to condense his review in to "elden ring bad" without fully watching the video Is rather misleading
@@Autumnnnnn1 quite reductionary ik. Let me rephrase it then: it was one of his main concerns
"who's gonna act upon your passions if not you? I'll tel you who, someone who cares less"
that was quite the punch to the face, ouch
"A quarter homeless on my dad's side" already a banger
I'd actually put forth the argument that a lot of Peter's constant apology is out of projection and fear. He is reassured by MJ that this is where she wants to be, but he is terrified of those he cares about suffering the consequences of associating with him. *He's* afraid of them getting hurt or killed, *he's* afraid of losing them. This comes to a head in the movie with Osbourne's murder of May, and the theme of trauma, particularly from loss, and how one copes with it, holds a large presence in the film.
Osbourne as The Goblin is a wonderful villain in how he targets his foils, a psychological torture and manipulation by threatening emotional ties; and with these bonds of friendship and family being so solid and positive in the text, with how many people Peter keeps in his circle, Osbourne has many fruit to pick and so will any other Villains that may come along.
And thus the ending. Peter, with his newfound anonymity protects not MJ but himself from a dangerous or uncomfortable arrangement. Peter, as a coping mechanism, has closed himself off from such intimate relationships.
Yea and I feel it’s on track for his character, to go off the deep end at some point. When things don’t work out his emotions become a lot to bare plus trauma he makes blunt decisions. I blame strange a bit and I’m not letting that go, but I understand why he made that decision I just think he hurt himself a lot aswell. His relationships affectedly only live with him
This is how I read it too
I kind of like no way home walking back on “let’s give kids the killer drones the US army uses to massacre Arab people” message of far from home. Even with the responsibility reading, “no one man should have all that power” is sometimes a good conclusion to poorly considered ambitions. As you analyzed Peter is being selfish with the mind wipe spell, but he’s being selfish BECAUSE he fears not doing it is the actual selfish action. His misconception of what is good makes him fuck up. Humans are humans, ipso facto humans will fuck up, learning nuances of fuck upery make good cautionary tales.
I didn’t watch the movie all the context i have is from this review
Having seen the movie, this seems accurate. I had contemplated a similar take on it but this is much more articulately laid-out.
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20:18 When you transitioned from Bible quotes to "With great power comes great responsibility" I legit got chills
during the jesus part when he said "with great power comes great responsibility" my headphones announced that their battery is low just at the right moment and "with great power comes great responsibility" turned into "with great power comes low battery"
this is one of the video essays ever
Just one of the video essays ever - not the best not the worst just one of them ever
out of all the video essays that released this year this is one of them
Definitely some good points… BUT to be fair, I think Tom’s Peter is thinking about what he learned from Andrew’s Peter in that scene. Andrew’s Peter tells him that he lost his mj and then right after that Peter almost lost mj in that fall. Andrew was able to save her when Peter couldn’t. I think this cemented the idea of those consequences for him and confirmed that he can’t always save her.
When you said, "Who's gonna act on your passions if not you?" I literally took a pause. That's MUCH more impactful for me than the similar quote, "Be the change you want to see in the world." So for the longest time I've been passionate about the queer community. I've been researching our history and learning about different identities and such since I was in elementary school. More recently, I did a paper on mental health and queer youth. I learned a lot about the negative things that affect us and how support, such as from a GSA club or parent, can help tremendously. My school doesn't have a GSA and I felt this building feeling of "Our school should have this; it's important." I had heard other people talk about starting a GSA club but no one had actually tried. So, despite being terrified of pushback, I did. Because like you said, who's gonna act on my passion (and do it well) but me? It feels like a lot of responsibility to have to be the one to Change The World™ but if you reframe it as "acting on a passion" it's easier to accept that you CAN do it and that your goal is obtainable.
"Everyone wants what marvel has, but refuse to do what marvel did. Make a few humble solo movies, work off that, then do a team up movie as a payoff. It's that simple."
Meanwhile Sonic the Hedgehog is about to be the ONE film franchise that MIGHT be actually able to make their own cinematic universe LIKE MARVEL BUT NOT EXACTLY LIKE MARVEL. Why?
They have someone at the helm WHO CARES. ABOUT. THE CHARACTERS, NOT THE MONEYS. Jeff Fowler is a godsend to Sonic. The first is a humble buddy story that is find the mcguffin; get the rings. Explore who movie Sonic is as a character. Simple easy to follow GSU: Goals, stakes, urgency. Goal: get the rings. Stakes: Sonic and Tom are being chased by the government and Eggman, Sonic's life is on the line. Urgency: find the rings before Eggman finds Sonic. Got it.
SECOND movie expands on that-brings in Tails and Knuckles. Tails IDOLIZES Sonic, wants to be like him. Knuckles wants Sonic to become past tense. At first. Sonic has to realize being a hero isn't just for you, you now have the responsibility to use your powers to ensure the people you love don't get hurt. He only realizes this after Tails gets severely hurt. When he and Knuckles have a heart to heart on the beach. HE comes to that conclusion on his own, not one person shoves it down his throat-Tom plants the idea, he sees it himself later. This is expanding Sonic's character to no longer just be the cocky SOB meta Sonic is, but the kind, heroic, selfless hedgehog we all know him to be. What are the goals, stakes and urgency here? Goal: race to the compass to find the emerald. Stakes: get the master emerald before the other team. Urgency: get the emerald before eggman gets it and destroys the world. Got it.
THEN they introduce SHADOW the god damn hedgehog for movie 3, paving the way for Amy Rose, Rouge the Bat, but not all in ONE movie they know that would be over crowded. So, they do this one character at a time, at most two at a time. So for movie 3, Amy and Shadow. I can see them further expanding Sonic's characterization to question his morality, question how far he'll go to stop someone, to save the people he loves cause SHADOW IS A THREAT. Once he takes off his inhibitor rings it's over 9000 level baby. They're already making a Knuckles spin off series, so perhaps Rouge will be introduced there. Sonic is a character who LITERALLY doesn't have a single fck to give when it comes to others' opinions on him. It's not out of being cocky or mean like the 2010 era Sonic, but it's out of NECESSITY. He HAS to be the villain sometimes, to be the hero. It's best said in Black Knight: when faced with the prospect of killing King Arthur would make him the villain in the eyes of the people Sonic LITERALLY responds "guess I can't be the hero all the time." THAT is taking responsibility for your actions, understanding your power, your choices. THAT is who Sonic is; freedom, the wind, ever changing, never bowing to anyone. Movie Sonic does care about what others think of him, but I can definitely see him coming into his own as well, especially against a threat like Shadow.
The important thing to note, is they're saving the big Shadow sht fight for movie 3, NOT SHOVING IT INTO MOVIE 2 BECAUSE WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU? There's no build up, no characterization explored, no world building expanded if you fast travel to the fight. You can't just have heroes fighting on screen because that one other movie did it. There needs to be reason WHY. Reasons that make sense. Through things that were built up well. Sonic the Hedgehog 2020 sets up the universe and characters and stakes and villain. Sonic the Hedgehog 2022 expands the universe and brings in new players while further developing the hero. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 will have to continue expanding the universe and develop not just Sonic, but Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, and potentially Amy. It's A LOT but it's a WORTH WHILE earned thing because the first two movies have already done the hard parts-set everything up. By introducing Shadow, we're now into the deep cut of Sonic lore.
The writers don't HAVE to have time set aside for character and plot to be explained in exposition, aside from Shadow's backstory. That's it. They have the games to go off of, and they have been doing just that, while making the movies their own thing, much like how Marvel is. And it's smart. It allows the characters to breathe and feel like CHARACTERS with actual stakes. Not just things happening on the screen for 2 hours. A movie without stakes is just white noise, a movie that's just white noise has no meaningful plot, if a movie has no meaningful plot why care about the characters. It's writing 101.
HOW IS IT THAT SONIC IS GETTING THINGS RIGHT OUT THE GATE AND DC IS STILL SCREWING THINGS UP INTO 2022?! It's EMBARRASSING.
Thank you, now I want to watch them! Haven’t yet
@@aquababy5 I can't believe I wrote a whole a$$ essay on SONIC THE GOD DAMN HEDGEHOG but worth my time if someone got intrigued enough to check em out. I do recommend them they are a wholesome time.
@@aquababy5 it's so cute. I'm not a Sonic fan, and had fun with both, but like the second more.
thank you for taking to time and writing this, sonic deserves it. I dont think the new movies have a lot to say in terms of deep themes or high art, but its fun and compelling, and (at least in the second one imo) does a hell of a lot better than marvel or dc movies at taking themes from its source material, understanding them, and presenting them in a meaningful way with good visual design.
why do i wanna watch the sonic movies now lol. i didn’t even know there was more than the 1
They gave Peter a negative arc. A REALLY bad thing happened in his life, and it traumatized him to the point that he will abandon his responsibilities if it means not feeling that pain again. This was completely on accident, and you are right, an unpredictable byproduct of a business decision.
Oh honey, you thought this movie was frustrating?
Wait till they don't even address it in the next movie.
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A bit of an oversimplification of what he went through.
What?
@@fightingmedialounge519 I mean yeah, if I went into detail it would be a spoiler.
@@fatuousinnovatorofsadness4640 not really what I meant. I'm saying your interpretation of what the film was conveying oversimplified the recurring element in the film to the point you aren'teven aware of what it is. That being not letting your personal wants undermine altruistic acts. As you can see I was able to convey that without spoiling anything.
* As someone who very very strongly agreed with everything you had to say about Lee Pace Vampire in your previous video, I'm surprised about your reaction to Andrew Garfield.
* Had to pause to catch my breath at the Pikachu
* Watching Andrew Garfield remove his mask without any background cheering was genuinely weird wtf this is why I don't want to watch the movie again.
@@bigbadgammagnome I was making three separate, unrelated statements and I'm a firm believer in making things easier for the reader. I do my best with the limited tools TH-cam gives me.
You can see something similar to the cheer thing if you watch sitcoms without laugh tracks. It’s interesting because you can see how the actors have to literally pause after a line before continuing
@@beretperson haha i do that
@@beretperson ahh I getcha. sorry I've been playing deltarune lately so it was the first thing I thought when I saw that
I’m so glad someone else also had the primary reaction of “CJ isn’t in love with Andrew Garfield?!?”
The 2x speed talking really helped captivate my shitty attention span. Loved this.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: your editing and talking style hits my ADHD just right 😩 even if I don't have the screen on I'm completely engaged to the audio. Never change dude, never change
Right???
its the opposite for me, i get so caught up on my own thoughts i miss half of what he's saying lmao (i also have adhd)
@@akwidueart Sometimes it do be like that 😂
you should watch ro ramdin she has a very similar style :3
“the actor’s doing they/them violence in hawaii” is one of my favorite sentences ever said out loud
Your eyeshadow is topically thematic and I’m here for it. ♥️💙
Came here from FD Signifier and your energy is so captivating that I'm going to end up binging everything you have uploaded. Sorry in advance
No Way Home was a fun movie, but it failed to have a cohesive story. The studio was too busy adding the maximum possible fan-service at all costs.
Another great video, thanks!
this is just untrue lmao
i disagree with this but i don't have either the vocabulary or intelligence to say why exactly
@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 What?
no way home was spiderman 3
only more cohesive
@@matheussanthiago9685 They were different in every-way are you okay? like mentally?
“Show me on the doll where the movie is cinema” May this kid always be protected and highly favored 😂
for me the plot hole created by the tensions of the business deal is this: Stephen Strange, one of the smartest and most powerful dudes in the MCU just fires up a reality altering spell on the spur of the moment based on a request from a teenager without any real discussion about the parameters beforehand. Nope. It's not going to happen like that unless there is someone offstage manipulating the narrative. With great power comes great responsibility
I believe it was originally supposed to be america from MoM doing it but since MoM ended up being released after NWH they kind of got screwed over with that
thank you cj the x for somehow making my adhd calm down enough to finish a video essay in less than a month.
This was my first video of yours I watched.
I didn’t know what to expect but I was absolutely blown away.
From your love of miraculous, to your takes on cinema, to moments of self worth, and most surprising super based takes on christ and what it means to be a child of god.
Like holy crap, you had me tearing up. You bet I’m subscribing and adding that stuff
imagine living in a different timezone, so when you are finally able to sit down and watch it, the video of your favorite youtuber is already reduced to 2 minutes so you can never experience it's full glory
When i hear Fd on the voiceovers , like so many other times with my favorite video essayists feature each other without mentioning it , i'm like "breadtube illuminati ?" i don't care if it is lol it's nice to know people i respect respect each other.Great video as always you monster.
Hey man, I'm going through the hardest time of my life rn. I spent 30 minutes crying and regretting my life choices. Your intro made me smile, thank you for that. I appreciate your humor.
i always love seeing contrapoints get mentioned, seeing natalie in videos by other creators i like just makes me happy ☺️
Do you know which video Natalie talked about Jesus in??? I don't remember
@@redblaquegolden it's the justice video
@@bryanbarrera4953 correct
who is natalie?
@@brookemuzzatti9710 contrapoints, another long form analyst from what is commonly called “Breadtube”
Her content is genuinely fun bough, if you like CJ then you may like her as well
I would HOPE so much.... that the ramifications of erasing an entire person from your history is explored in the next set of movies with Ned. Ned and Peter have been best friends assuming past homecoming and civil war(maybe), and their lives have been molded by being there for each other growing up.
Ned could have a shittier life going forward from feeling a piece of himself missing, and also MISSING that piece of yourself that you can’t even identify and that influences his future from peters decision. You don’t even have to deal with this in the SM4 just follow it over the next set of films until Ned goes crazy or something.
this would show me and establish to the universe that when Doctor Strange describes the memory spell as “standard” that that means it’s meant for stupid minuscule shit like forgetting an embarrassing kamar taj party, but not erasing people from another persons life history as that feels like it COULD and SHOULD wreck a person mentally and emotionally.
my other unrelated hope is that the next film deals with a Peter Parker struggling to rebuild his life culminating in a lesson of “the world needs Peter Parker too, not just Spider-Man” as Peter will teeter towards just being Spider-Man only and full time but recognizes balance between his two lives and how it’s important to have an impact as the person you are and not hide from the world in fear you’ll ruin things just by being there.
0:35 A year later and I’m still saying “and I shan’t expound…” whenever I say something wild.
There's probably not gonna be a next film. Tom said his contract was for three movies. The ending could have you interpret all this though, like Peter slowly becoming friends with them again
Everyone should watch Daredevil. It’s got to be one of the top 3 things Marvel has made, it’s a genuinely good show even if you don’t like Marvel. And they really emphasize Matt’s Catholicism which you don’t see in most shows nowadays. It’s clear that it’s a very important part of his character
It also (in keeping with the theme of this video) has fucking great female characters. I was genuinely shocked watching it the first time that a comic book adaptation managed to have so many women I just loved the writing for, lol
YESS
I honestly couldn’t get through that show, First few episodes were like a slog just too hard to watch.
@@askinredroads5132 plus it's like, really depressing.
@@Charles.II_of_England it is depressing, i dont disagree with that. Personally the realism is what i like about it. But it is gritty
This man's ability to aggressively shake his cup of wine near the electric plug while spittin' some actual facts it's kind of a big damn flex, love you cj
The video glitching to only the first two minutes is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever seen
I just love how you speak and how it sounds so improvised, its like medicine
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as a ✨SpIcCy💅 Christian myself, the whole Jesus monologue half way through was both hilariously iconic and very insightful 💪😼 slay‼️
Oh my God it was the best thing I've ever heard ✨amazimg✨
Neither of you strike me as Christians.
Neither was Job.
@@jts2543thats because the ones who "strike you as Christains" are usually just devoted to the surface-level religious circle-jerking that Jesus specifically called out. the real ones spend more energy maintaining the effort to be good, as opposed to the optics of being good
@@jts2543ahh yes you totally know everything about these people’s beliefs from the way they type and one message alone
If they had gone a little harder with the whole “Spider-Man has been cancelled” idea they could have done an interesting extension of the themes of the previous themes along the lines of “what if YOU (Spider-Man) have recognized your power, but no one ELSE recognizes your ability to fulfill your responsibilities anymore” I don’t know where they would have gone story wise from there but I think that would work thematically.
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