The Amazing Surge of Paper Mario-Styled Indie RPGs
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ย. 2024
- Paper Mario's always a talking point for this channel, but an amazing development's taken place amongst indie developers who also love the original Paper Mario games! From Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling to Scrap Story - The Paper Prelude, to Born of Bread to Java Saga, to Tale Feathers to Seahorse Saga, to The Outbound Ghost to Paper Sky: we now have an assortment of numerous indie games directly inspired from classic Paper Mario and it's really something special worth talking about.
Paperverse Paper Direct: • Paper Direct 4.30.2021...
Seahorse Saga Twitter: / seahorsesaga
Seahorse Saga itch.io page: seahorsesaga.i...
Seahorse Saga Demo page: toontris.itch....
Java Saga Twitter: / java_saga
WildArts Inc. Twitter (Born of Bread Devs): / wildartsdevs
Born of Bread Steam page: store.steampow...
Born of Bread Demo page: wildarts.itch....
Scrap Story Twitter: Sc...
Scrap Story Demo Download Page: scrap-paper.it...
Paper Sky Dev's Twitter: / nocturnal_duck
Tale Feathers Dev's Twitter: / george5395
The Outbound Ghost's Twitter: / outboundghost
The Outbound Ghost's Steam page: store.steampow...
Digerati's Twitter (one of Outbound Ghost's dev teams): / digeratidm
Music:
Flopside - Super Paper Mario
Order Up! - Java Saga
Team, This One's Stronger! - Bug Fables
Boggly Woods - Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Termite Capitol - Bug Fables
Riverside Station - Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
The Tile Pool - Super Paper Mario
Want to join my discord & talk Paper Mario (& other things Mario)? discord.gg/GK7d8QZ
Want to follow my Twitter? twitter.com/i/timeline
Lady bow gaming
Hey I got a plan so we are going to intengegent system find the leader of paper mario team force the guy to leave and after that get they gut that did mario 64 and ttyd and super paper mario to comeback
Bug Fables was an absolutely SPECTACULAR experience, I PRAY the developers bless us with a sequel. (A Bug Fables/Hollow Knight collab would be amazing too!)
You should write them both a letter! Draw some attention. Wont happen without it.
so bug fables was made by the team of hollow kinght?!
@@mamounelhadidy6552 Nope, two separate teams.
Should have said “Prey” 😏
I find it really interesting how a lot of Nintendo games spawn a lot of inspired indie games, you have Earthbound that gave us Undertale, Yume Nikki, Lisa, Off, Omori… YIIK; Metroid gave us Hollow Knight, Guacamelee, Ori, Shantae, etc.. And the same thing here with Paper Mario.
Nintendo really does inspire huh
Don't forget Zelda inspiring most of the Soulsborne games -- w/the big capstone being ELDEN RING...!
Not to mention Fire Emblem and the insane amount of tactical JRPGs that pop up that seek to emulate its style.
Super Paper Mario's 2D/3D flipping mechanic, among many other things/games, inspired the landmark indie game "FEZ"
And yet... they don't seem interested in making a good paper mario game that is true to its roots: Action Command Style turn based battles with badges, partners and orignal characters... At least the fans are here to satisfy are thirst for paper mario like games like outbound ghost, born of bread, seahorse saga, bug fable, edingir odyssey, and so many others : p
Shantae was definitely not inspired by metroid. But otherwise, you make a good point.
Happy to hear of our little community getting more attention. I'm one of the developers behind the project Papersky, and it's been great to work with other people in the community. I'm still blown away by how much people have been able to accomplish over the past few years.
I think you put it best by how varied so many of our games are. The aesthetic itself is one about creativity, putting together something new out of the same building blocks. It's not just about "being another TTYD", we've all taken our own inspirations going into this, and hopefully it shows.
I'm really happy for all of you and hope development goes amazingly well
Will you make a game like Paper Mario Sticker Star? Like expanding on the game mechanics and such? I know it’ll be difficult to do but it’s possible with the right planning and designing.
I’ll genuinely never understand how anyone can say that the Paper Mario 64 and TTYD battle system would get stale. It’s a tight, extremely precise battle system that rewards experienced players both offensively and defensively whole also providing a difficulty curve for new players outside of the typical “thousands of health” that most JRPGs tend to resort to. By making the numbers so small in comparison to most RPGs, it leads to a much easier to understand but difficult to master system where your approach to battles isn’t just “max damage every turn.” And the badge system. My god the badge system. The customization possible with badges allows for so much creativity that even the hardest battles likely have at least 3 separate strategies that are equally viable. And Bug Fables proves that even adding new mechanics to that formula only enhances the gameplay experience. Learning how and when to relay a turn to increase damage output by that 1 HP that takes out the enemy in one turn feels *so good* to pull off. I’m so glad the Paperverse is blowing up and bringing this game style back into the mainstream.
Thanks for covering the Paperverse! We love seeing the awesome games our devs make being showcased! 💙
No problem! Pleasure to spread the word & discover all these amazing games!
how funny that i get this video recommended to me *as i'm planning on making a paper mario styled rpg*
All these games do is make me depressed about Paper Mario as a whole tbh. Old wounds I guess? I still think about "Why Paper Mario Refuses to Change".
Still, these games are interesting at least! I still REALLY want to play Scrap Story... 😭
Also, YOU ARE ON A ROLL with the content lately! Can I just say that? Lol.
Oh, and these RPGs prove how Paper Mario's original formula can still innovate in a number of ways. I have no idea how people can argue otherwise.
Y'know, I actually liked Origami King, but nothing beats classic Paper Mario, and all these fan projects are looking amazing
If the recent Paperverse Direct, from about 2 mouths ago, proves anything, it's that these 8 games where just scratching the surface
Now, I'm not a Paper Mario fan by any means, never played any of the games, but I think it's weird how Nintendo just doesn't want to bring back the old battle system. Like, it seems that Origami King was actually received fairly well overall, but despite the general positivity, I saw a good amount of criticism towards the ring-based battle system specifically. Now, it seems that there were a lot of people that were fine with the battles, but that was easily the biggest complaint I saw aimed at TOK, and I can see why.
Not sure why Nintendo felt the need to change the battle system every single game. Like, just keep the gameplay consistent and expand upon it, don't revamp it entirely. If lots of people already seemed to enjoy TOK with the current battle system, imagine how much _more_ better is would have been received if it kept the old one.
Thats exactly how I felt playing origami king. "Man this would be a serious contender in paper mario universe if it just had a good battle/badge/level up system" - never gonna pick it up again sadly as the battles were so slow and disengaging. 😊
Seriously;
I'm So Glad that ALL of these Indie Developers are willing to give CLASSIC Paper Mario fans an experience that Ninten-Doesn't want to!!
Well your statement sorta age like milk because in 2023 paper mario ttyd and mario going back to his roots is happing
Paper Mario itself seems to be becoming its own genre, kind of like Metroidvania.
If it ever becomes a genre,how would it be called? PapeRPG? Paper-like?
CLASSIC Paper Mario;
There's a Difference;
Classic Paper Mario Refers to the Feel/Aesthetic/Gameplay/Charm of the FIRST 3 Paper Mario Games;
Modern Paper Mario refers to the Lackluster Generic Paper Mario for EVERY SINGLE GAME SINCE STICKER STAR CAUSED PAPER MARIO TO JUMP THE SHARK IN QUALITY & RECEPTION
I've only ever heard of 3 of these, and only two within the last year or two. Bug Fables and The Outbound Ghost. The third one is Scrap Story, and I genuinely thought that game was abandoned. Glad to see it wasn't.
Hey there dude this is Bread (good chunk of 3d modeling, co code person, video editor, misc for Java Saga) and seeing our game shown amongst these others as a sign of a paper mario movement was a real treat. We are still working mondo hard on the project and actually recently redid a good chunk of the game to look much better (check out the Holiday trailer from 2021 if interested).
I can't speak for the rest of the team but I really wanna show off something again by the new years given how quite we've been.
It was really cool to just have a friend throw this my way because the algorithm sent him the vid.
God speed dude!
It's hard to buy the arguement of "the gameplay style will get stale if they go back to it" when Bug Fables is currently my favorite "Paper Mario" game and the style if modern Paper Mario got stale to me before even finishing Sticker Star.
I would like them to do something else other than just further upgrading the realism of the crafty paper aesthetic and office supplies for the fourth time
Classic PM had different directions that make them stand out on their own: 64 looked very playful with the pop out book look and use of toys and watercolor backgrounds, TTYD was a paper puppet show with theatre and all, and Super was very heavy on digital computer aesthetic and geometric shapes, while modern PM has remained in arts n crafts since Sticker Star, with stuff like paint, origami, or paper mache, rather than being the games’ new directions, they’re just used to further push the same arts n’ crafts look, and they’re becoming like the NSMB games, just upgrading and keeping the exact same look time and time again, and that’s really getting old xs
And tbh, the crafty look of modern Paper Mario only looks nice, but by no means it’s special because there’s already another Nintendo IP that has been doing it from much longer than PM itself, and that’s Yoshi
Seriously; If the TTYD Gameplay was REALLY as Stale as Nintendo claimed it was;
BUG FABLES WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN AS MUCH POSITIVE RECEPTION AS IT ACTUALLY DID!!
Hey guys I'm from the future saying that in 2023 paper mario ttyd remake is happing going back to roots and yey
There's actually two different ways the "fine, I'll do it myself" approach can go, and the fact that many of these titles are going to be on Switch means that Nintendo is _absolutely_ aware of it. There's the good timeline, "oh, maybe Paper Mario 7 actually should go back to the old formula since clearly there's a market for it"... but there's also the timeline where they're like "oh cool, they're doing it for us *so we don't have to* now".
bug fables is a game i recomend to anyone that likes rpg's. i think its better than paper mario because its a clean slate. no toads, no bowser etc. all new stuff. and the music in this game POPS OFF. if you havent played it then do yourself a favor and buy it
So glad to be a part of this fandom :)
Same with this serge of paper style RPG games maybe paper Mario will finally go back to it's roots not going to get my hopes up.
I'm surprised that the original Paperverse Direct still has only 16000 views,it should definitely get more attention
Hey, thanks for featuring the game we're working on, Java Saga.
So happy to see and hear other people excited for our game and we genuinely hope you all have a great time enjoying the hard work and dedication we've been putting towards this.
Much Love,
Joe Groeblinghoff (co-writer of Java Saga, current voice of Cat Boss)
Also, sorry it took me this long to find this video :)
Plus, solid breakdown of the formula and fair appraisal to each of the indie games listed! It's both shown as a criticism yet an homage to a Nintendo franchise beloved by many fans
You'd think Nintendo would notice this and realize how wrong they've been since 2012.
Fr
I mean… this is Nintendo we’re talking about.
They're probably aware but too proud to admit being wrong
Why? Nintendo has ignored other series in the exact same way. How many F-Zero rip off games have we seen throughout the years?
Hey guys I'm from the future coming back in time to happly say paper mario is back to his roots in ttyd remake and yes tye legends are true paper mario ttyd remake is real
I am so glad you are drawing attention to this! I am a member of the Paperverse, though not officially a dev yet. (Getting there slowly lol)
I saw you deleted my linked post. Is link-free self promotion allowed?
Where?
@@SuperMarioT In their Discord, as well as my own. I can't give links or your bots will delete them.
how long until mario and luigi inspired games i wanna see one thats like early 2000s like buddy comedy set in college or something that kinda game with the mario and luigi system would be epic
I Wonder how Arlo feels about Bug Fables no longer being the ONLY Indie Game to deliver a Classic Paper Mario Experience; and that it was only the first of many to come;
Seriously; Bug Fables was only the BEGINNING of this "CLASSIC" Paper Mario-inspired Indie Game Trend!!
Arlo is probably stoked. If he doesn't know, I can send him this link.
Thanks for this. It's nice to know I'm not alone wanting to make a paper mario-like. I've started doing game dev over a year ago with the ultimate objective of making my own take on it. But I'll learn more and get a handful of projects under my belt before I get to it. I'm saving this video to come back to it when times are gloomy.
Wow, I had no idea about that ‘Paperverse direct’, and I’m really happy you brought it to my attention! Thanks for that!
Arguably the most important thing is how these are made out of passion for the older Paper Mario and not spite against the newer ones.
I'm someone who adores the first two Paper Mario games, they're apart of my childhood. I also hate Sticker Star and Color Splash, but I love the Origami King. It's a game that I find good in it's own way.
I dunno if I should say why, don't want to give you a full essay to read through. XD I look at Paper Mario in a more apathetic state, I got the classic games and can still enjoy them for years to come, but I think it's time for me to move on rather than hope that eventually they'll listen and give us the proper game we want. At best, I'm hoping for Nintendo to re-release the classic Paper Mario series, remaster them (though I don't think any of them need that much work to look good in the modern era, I still think the first game looks great today) under a Paper Mario All-Star Classic Collection release. But it'll be sixty dollars, the games will be basic ports like the Mario collection with the soundtracks being the only bonus and it'll be pulled March 31st because why not?
In all seriousness, I would like a collection of the first three on a single cartridge and getting to play them on Switch without the dumb online service would be nice. This is a nice thing to see, shows the spirit of classic Paper Mario won't die.
I really should get around to playing Bug Fables when I get the chance. I wasn’t really keen on the idea of playing indie spiritual successors, but at this point I’ll do anything just to get an experience close to 64 and TTYD again.
There are so many other amazing games you didn't mention, like, for real there are so many.
There's Slyme breaker, Of Carrots and Courage, Tails from Alteria, Hyper Team Recon, Edingir Odyssey, Vivid Spirit and so so so so many more insanely promising games!
Amazing video by the way, the Paperverse deserves a lot more attention than it currently has!
14:05 that right there can be said about games like Aero GPX and Super Pilot for F-Zero fans who want a game far closer to the only 2 3D games Nintendo made for that series.
Also yeah, would say traditional Mario RPG fans have to be eating good with what we're seeing from this.
I remember seeing this paper verse video a year ago and that's how I found out about most of these games inspired by Paper Mario I was really excited the most for born of bread!
This style of rpg is so much fun and I always enjoy a good story. I hope we get a Mario and Luigi inspired game pretty soon!
I've been waiting for this!
I'm working on a paperlike project also. Nothing to show yet. We need more charming simple rpgs with partners
Feel free to let me know about any future updates
I actually played a demo of Seahorse Saga at an Indie Game convention in New York City back in 2019, one of the guys at the booth (who I am assuming was one of the main developers) told me that this game is inspired by the earlier Paper Mario games. He also stated that their team wants the game to be released on the Nintendo Switch. Not gonna lie, the game looks quite nice...😄
I really hope it comes for the Switch
@@paulgrotebeverborg1119 I Hope MORE of these Paperverse games make it onto the Nintendo E-Shop!!
After All; Bug Fables is JUST THE BEGINNING of a CLASSIC Paper Mario-Inspired Renaissance
Having worked on Project M and dabbling in PR, I have a bit of experience with dealing with a certain subset of Nintendo fans.
From my experience, I've had people claiming that they hated Super Smash Bros. Melee (as they wrongly assumed Project M was a carbon copy of it), calling the game clunky and unplayable, only for me to realize that many people making these extremely critical claims to both Melee and Project M had never even played either game. They were simply offended that some people merely preffered an older entry. Reasonable minds can differ, and people can prefer different games for different reasons, but Project M and Melee are objectively the most responsive games in the series. This is provable with actual numbers. Playing them on laggy HD TVs could arguably cause people to perceive the games as clunky, but by that time, Brawl was also on a standard definition console and suffered from extreme amounts of input buffer. It is possible to make informed assertions on what kinds of games one could like without playing a game, but when it comes to how it "feels", you can't do so without actually holding the controller and playing said game. You can easily see who is making uninformed assertions by questioning them about game mechanics.
The main crux of the argument is that I am fairly certain that this sort of behaviour plagues the Paper Mario series as well. I've heard many people make wild claims about classic Paper Mario design despite never having actually played said games. That's not everyone, and some criticism is warranted. The backtracking is an issue for example, but the combat itself is arguably very tight (albeit, playing it on a high lag HDTV can make timing feel clunky). Taste can differ, but clearly, the classic Mario RPG formula resonated with many people.
The same occurs with Fire Emblem as well. You can tell who has no understanding of said games when they make claims like how supports don't exist in games before Awakening, and how it revolutionized the series (*cough* FE 6, and arguably 4, did it first).
It's fine to like newer games. But just because a game is older, does not mean its design philosophy is antiquated, and it doesn't mean it cannot be modernized and itterated on.
I'll never understand the repetitive argument when you have Nintendo games like New Super Mario bros. ,Smash bros., Mario party, Mario kart and other IP that reuse the same formula but more improved upon.
Always sounded like a bullshit excuse. Most popular games stay consistent cuz that what people love. When Mario party changed into that god awful car everyone hated it an just wanted the good ol Mario party game. An that exactly what I want with paper Mario. I really did not like origami king at all
I’m so glad I gave bug fables a try. I should do the same with the other paper Mario inspired games like the outbound ghost and the other ones, since most of the paper Mario inspired games plays as the classic paper Mario games such as paper Mario 64 and paper Mario the thousand year door which is really great because it goes to show that we wanted paper Mario to go back to how it used to be that made the series so great until the sticker star and color splash incident. I’m so glad we’re getting more paper Mario inspired games that plays as the classic paper Mario RPG style that we’ve been waiting for. :)
Fantastic video, SuperMarioT! Highlighting all of these great games and talking about why they all exist! You went into the strengths of the original two Paper Marios while still showing respect to the newer games and their fans. Something I almost never see! I too agree that Origami King had some strengths. That said, it is no question why these games get an inspiration from the original 2 Paper Marios. When I first played Bug Fables, it completely blew me away! I adored that game! Very good video and thank you for introducing me to The Outbound Ghost!
I was so touched and inspired about this video and those rpg games that looks like they love so much paper mario... And then I watched Min min at the end of the video
And then that inspired you even more 🍜
I grew up with Paper Mario 64 and TTYD. I played sticker starcand hated it. I have Super Paper Mario and I like it because it’s pretty much Paper Mario with OG Super Mario stuff implemented in it. I got Oragami King during my Honeymoon and omg I loved it cuz it brought me back to when I was a kid and even cried when Bobby died. Which also made me mad because the game canonizes when a bob-omb blows up they fully die but in every other paper Mario game it just shoots them up in the air and kinda just disorients them, I mean remember Bombette and Captain, they both have moves where they explode but didn’t die.
I'm stoked that you were so impressed by Edingir Odyssey 🎉 I'm the guy working on the game, and I've got a couple of informative videos on my channel if you're interested in learning more about the game
In terms of action commands, the one that wowed you just happens to be inspired by fighting game combos, and most will probably not be that intense or convoluted tbh but my rationale towards action commands is that they should be fun, and make the player feel like they're actually doing those moves
At this point we will see a inspiration of every mario game
Honestly, old Paper Mario game(N64-ver & TTYD) is sure awesome and nostalgic! Is really happy they created game with Paper Mario-vibes❣(That's why Nintendo should created more RPG-ver Mario game..)
Furquest is honestly really promiseing it isn't mentioned anywhere
can't wait to play born of bread and java saga
Bug Fables is pretty nice, but tbh I didn't did any extra boss, I focused on story 'n some extra content instead
Born of bread looks really high detail it's buitful
There's also Rainbow Billy and The Curse of The Leviathan.
I would like to throw my own hat into the ring for EmperorBoo and gLiTcH and EmperorSheep to all take on an adventure throughout the Paper Dreamworld. Would be neat for me to try one day.
I got about half way through Bug Fables. It’s more difficult than Paper Mario ever was which is something people aren’t really discussing. Still love it and I wanna continue playing it. Can’t wait for these other games though!
This video shows that people have had enough of Nintendo
Here Comes Niko! is a game who's artstyle was inspired by Paper Mario 🔥
A new paper mario like game drops in kickstarter flynt buckler wakes the sleepy castle is the rpg fairytale and cartoony charm donate this project and additional sketch goals talk your folowers and paper mario like fans
I, personally, enjoyed Bug Fables more than TTYD. It is probably one of my favorite gaming experiences ever with the extensive amount of content and lore. I'd recommend it to everyone.
The Only Problem is;
I'm Stuck in Chapter 3. . .
These Paper Mario/Mario and Luigi inspired games sound really cool. I hope some of these do come out for the Switch.
However I dislike how bitter old Paper Mario fans use games like Bug Fables to rub it in anyone's face that likes Modern paper Mario, it used to give me the impression that it was made to spite Nintendo and Intelligent Systems because they have no interest in going back but I was wrong. The old fanbase's unwelcoming attitude towards modern Paper Mario fans is the main reason why I don't like the Paper Mario fanbase anymore and it's become just as dividedly toxic as the Sonic fanbase.
Honestly, same. I used to love Paper Mario. Still like 64 and Super, and although I don't think TTYD has aged well, I can still have fun with it. Sticker Star was shit, I agree, and Color Splash still has some issues, as does Origami King. But it gets aggravating when a lot of arguments for CS and OK get shut down just because it's not the original games, and play Bug Fables instead. Heck, often it comes up to not wanting a new game that retreads old ground and just wanting a full copy of TTYD. It's gotten to a point I actively try to stay away from Paper Mario related subjects.
@@bretginn1419 Oh I bet if they did finally decide to go back old fans would still tear it down for not finding interesting ways to build on TTYD's gameplay, still being in a Paper world (Which I still don't know why that bothers people when PM's never been canon along with M and L) have original characters not be as creative looking as the first 3 or complain about the story either focusing on magical paper/arts/crafts or not living up to SPM's steaks.
I do the same thing, I mostly avoid Paper Mario as a topic because it isn't worththe headache. When Nintendo put up that trailer for Paper Mario 64 for NSO expansion the comment section was filled with people arguing about how Modern Paper Mario sucks. Origami King gave me the impression that most people were finally giving Modern Paper Mario a chance but no, the discussion is just as disheartening and unwelcoming as it was 6 years ago with Color Splash.
Maybe a port of TTYD or a Paper Mario collection could be a good idea. No way the fanbase would be okay with them remaking the first 3 knowing how much they hate the current artstyle, them worrying that they'll simplify original characters to be more standard looking or changing things.
you know a fandom is being neglected when they start genuinely going "ok then I'll do it myself"
I know this dropped a year ago, but check out a game called knuckle sandwich. Its coming out soonish & its basically mario&luigi meets warioware
Hey SMT, have you ever played South Park: The Stick of Truth? Because it takes a lot of inspiration from the first two Paper Mario games.
Java saga that game looks fun and love the humor I saw I hope that game comes to consoles one day.
YO OUTBOUND LOOKS INSANE
It is. I bought it before it was taken down. (I support the dev's decision)
It was pretty mid when I played it, but it got taken down.
Would anyone happen to know about what happened to Tale Feathers. Whenever I click the Twitter link in the description, it says "This account doesn’t exist." Leads me to believe that Tale Feathers was discontinued
It's a shame when indie developers are making better, REAL Paper Mario games (And not that Sticker Star-esque crap) than Nintendo can. You'd think seeing how popular these games are that Nintendo could understand that there's a huge demand for a traditional TTYD-style Paper Mario game, but these are the same people that can't be bothered to even make a single F-Zero game in almost 20 years, even when people are clamoring for it.
If there's any developer than has a host franchises that hold so much potential, but that gets completely squandered, it's Nintendo.
Ooohh, videooo
I'm following their Twitter page and subscribed to their TH-cam channels so i see all the indie games i do ask alot if some are coming to the switch
I like the Seahorse Saga the best.
So I'm looking for JRPG's with this paper style graphics, but more serious than any of these.... any suggestions?
Akin to Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler, or Xenogears.... but on Xbox?
The Donnerwald Experiment. It's unfinished but buyable. The earlier you buy it, the cheaper it is too.
The relationship between the Paper Mario fanbase and Nintendo is basically "If you won't damn it, I will!"
Need a new Mario & Luigi game and types.
Sad how indie games can make a better paper mario game than Nintendo can
8:56 legit, I will admit that is my initial thought process. Not denying that I don't like the classic gameplay. but it would be cool to see people Take some of the modern paper mario battle gimmicks but do something unique with their gimmicks. There is a way to combine classic paper mario with craft paper mario, even with originality. Would I play any of these games? As soon as I replay Super Paper Mario, and actually beat Color Splash, and actually give my definitive ranking on all 6 [7 if it get revealed sometime between now and sometime in 2024.]
Born of bread is pretty good, game was too easy tho
I haven't watched the video yet because of lack of time, but I want to make you a question, you seriously didn't watch the paper verse direct until recently? I did like 2 weeks after it's release so I thought you had seen it too by the time.
Not angry, just curious.
Underhero is another game that is inspired by Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi.
Unfortunately Bug Fables execution is not very good. It's an RPG that leans towards giving enemies high health and defense to increase the difficulty rather than just raising their attack, so battles drag and wear out their welcome quickly. The medal/badge system is also a complete disaster with medals costing lots of points points and also having major drawbacks in exchange for the benefit. The P-up, d-down that cost 2 points in Paper Mario costs 5 points in Bug Fables and many other medals also subtract your attack, so you'll be dealing even less damage against increasingly more tanky enemies if you equip those and some medals that would not be a good tradeoff if it cost 0 points. Also the attack roles lead to situations where if someone dies, you are so crippled there is no reviving and coming back; you should just let everyone die and save yourself 10-15 minutes and a bunch of items trying to survive. The battle system is good on paper, but needed a bit more polishing; it was one of the most painful RPGs I played, and the rest of it wasn't too bad.
I mean, if you want enemies to have less defence and more attack, that's what the Deep Taunt medal is for ;)
I honestly never thought they were too bad, though admittedly I was playing on normal. I think ultimately the main reason the enemies are generally tankier is because you get three attacks per round (four if/when you get Chompy) to PM's two, but their attacks do less damage because your party is generally a lot less tanky: my endgame team had Kabbu with 17HP and Vi and Leif at 11HP each, so an attack that did 6 damage was a serious threat in a way it wouldn't have been in endgame TYD, where Mario and his partners might be rolling round with 30+ HP each.
I think the Power Exchanges and Defence Exchanges are the price they are because they're meant to be selling more as BF's Power Plus and Defend Plus, and I think that's partly to make you think harder about your build but also again because you have three party members and you can specialise them if you want - turning Kabbu into a big taunting tank with things like Back Support and Defence Exchange (... and Favourite One, which is kinda why he needed that extra defence), and having him take as much heat as possible for a glass-cannony Vi (for massive single-target damage) or Leif (for crowd control) with Power Exchange. It might perhaps be the same way that Quick Change went from 4BP to 7BP as partners in TYD got HP and became more their own thing.
The fact that people are still talking about these 20 yr old games is enough evidence in itself.
When
It’s cool to see these projects but it’s no Mario.the prob with current paper Mario is lack of partners that’s it. I want a hybrid style
None of them really give that Paper Mario hapinnes/feeling you know?
I slightly disagree, but the thing it lacks imo is just the Marioness of it, the characters & worlds in particular, but these games can stand on their own w/ their own worlds & such.
That was what i was trying to say. you said it better!@@SuperMarioT
Review one piece it’s awesome
I could, only up to the very end of Whole Cake Island tho
No one wants to make another Paper Mario Sticker Star game sadly. Like seriously it can work if it was a rogue like dungeon crawling game where you fight to the end.
Well, that's because everybody hates that game, me included. I even beat it, but nope, couldn't stand it.