The 737 MAX 10 is Too Long?
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Boeing needs to stop modifying the 737 and give us a 757X
or 797
@@ViktorGGeorgiev no, 757X, nobody needs the 797 beacause the range of the 737 is enough when paired with the 787/777. But the 757X could give the range of a 787, whilst also having the capacity of the 737M10, which would allow airlines to serve routes that aren’t very popular/ don’t have high profitability when used with a 787/777
Yess
The 757 has long been dead you just have to accept that .
@@Homepage. You are underestimating what the 797 could be, Either another narrow body aircraft such as the 737 or 757 or a long hauler, the 757 is also slowly being phased out from airlines phus the conspirency of a 797
Yes. Boeing have patched and bodged the living hell out of that airframe design. They really don't want to let go of it do they? The 757 would have been a much better platform for the MAX.
Correct on every point
its the budget airlines fault. they demand and only buy the same type so no pilot re-training is req. plus all pilots can fly all their planes. boing is flogging this old horse to please its stingy customer base. this led to two crashes already.
Boeing is becoming the GM of the aviation world.
im sure they do want to let go its just not that simple, also this mod isnt exactly complex
If they stray away too far from the 737 NG Engineering ,it becomes an experimental instead of a derivative aircraft. The way they've had to modify so much, have they passed that point?
As costly as this has been for them, a clean sheet design would have served them better.
But it's QUANTITY and profit now that they chose.
All to best Airbus at the Paris airshow.
And now Airbus is in the lead...
Boeing is like: "We had a manslaughter episode but this happens from time to time! Let's keep going and patch this, then patch that. We might loose a few pennies but no one is going to jail, so no worries! Prize for the craziest optimization which will save us millions!"
It’s really insane that hundreds of people can die and no one goes to jail, yet individual civilians are convicted of manslaughter for the death of a single person, all the time.
For christs sake, there’s a tail stand designed for the 737-900 to keep it from tipping over at the gate, and Boeing still decided to extend the fuselage anyway? The 737 reached its full length potential with the -900. It’s time for something new.
I hope the fuselage extension will not aerodynamically hamper the handling performance, that the flight crew will have suprises again down the line
@phillipbanes5484 yep can't let the perfectly avoidable 100s of deaths go. Stop deep throating boeing and their dangerous greed.
@@phillipbanes5484It is in fact a pretty spectacular multi faceted fail in the history of tombstone engineering and governance. It'll dog the Max till they're all scrap.
Nice vid about the 737 max 10
This system was being used since 777-300 ER
Bro how is the 737-10 gonna fit inside the a320s apu if its too long 💀
Love these new little facts videos 👍👍👍
Thanks Neil - we have more coming :)
I loved to see a 7J7 to fruition with CFM rise engines
We saw what happened the last time they got creative with the 737
Its time to break out the 757 from the boeing toybox
They've spent enough finding workarounds to do a clean sheet design. The major hang up is the FAA is so inept and difficult at certification, no OEM wants to risk a new design.
Yes, Boeing shouldn't try to make another variant of the 737. The Airframe is outdated now and for every change they need large adaptations, Larger engines aren't possible, the aircraft can't be lengthened. The Max should be the end of the 737 and Boeing should make a new short haul plane but with the technology of the 787.
Same goes for Airbus, the A320 has less problems because it is newer but the A320NEO is also on the limit. Airbus would need to make some weird changes to put larger engines on the plane and the A320 is also quite old now.
The Boeing 737, Airbus A320 and A330 are all planes that shouldn't get another update but a large redesign of the whole airframe.
There is a point in any engineered product that one reaches "design saturation", the point at which further improvements or modifications are pointless. Then it is time to start over with an entirely new and modern design.
Re-inventing the wheel - Duct tape and bailing wire thinking - OceanGate Macgyver on steroids
Brilliant Move by Boeing!
Scary. It should be width for passenger comfort instead of length.
Modify, modify, modify.
It seems that overall now days Airbus jets are better
Boeing looking like beginners in the aviation industry as compared to Airbus.
The Boeing BOD and exec mgmt team really screwed up by ignoring the obvious choice of revamping the 757. Now Airbus has cleaned their clock for the next 30 yrs and that chapter ends the story.
A340 watching this: 👁️👄👁️
Deathtrap. the faa should require pilot training on all new aircraft even same type this would stop corner cutting. over extending airframes.
Boeing: fixes something that isn't broken. Then puts all the effort into fixing the fix that broke it. ☠️
No need for Such dramatization.
The plane is working fine my friend
All they had to do was not end production of the 757 and this wouldn't have been a problem
The part that worries me, is the altered onboard system corrected to compensate for the max-8 and max-9 faults that downed 2 new aircraft costing hundreds of human lives, will not work on the max-10 due to its sheer size and cause more fatal accidents.
This is another case of forcing it because you know if you don't your competitor will win, and screw how many lives will have to be lost as collateral damage in the process. I will never, ever, fly on a Max.
This is already a notorious plan and more modifications are not required.
You need to decide, inches or centimetres...
Yeah, the last lot used to crash
It looked like it went up vertically
Boeing will do anything to NOT redesign their aircraft
Funny how so many people, including myself think that Boeing should have done something with the 757 rather than pissin about with this old tank. This is really biting then in the arse now. Wake up.
I am with the majority on here....give us a new 757!!
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Boeing could have gone for 757 with modern shape other modern technology.
Lhe
I feel like the longer 737s land harder. I’ve had more hard landings with the long ones.
Boeing should concentrat on a new Aircraft Like the 797 because i think the 737 ist to old and It Had enoph modifikations
Not gonna happen. They gotta get the 777x in engines first before they start any NMA planes
Have they learned nothing by avoiding the redesign process on other aircraft?
but all theyve done is add gear extension systems which is what most tilted gear aircraft use anyways (747, 777, a330, etc)
If it's a modification that works, then I'd call it a good engineering solution 🪄
Warmed over design, warmed over design, warmed over design, how much longer will Boeing tinker on the 737? Boeing the warmed over design company.
They are trying to turn a boat into a ship! Why?
Anddddd more parts that will fail!!!!
If it is Boeing, it ain’t going at all
B -757 would have been a perfect fit in these times . A new engine with a new wing design.
The wings on a 757 are very efficient design to point where they create a lot of wake turbulence thanks to the large differential pressures
@@peanuts2105 The problem is the cabin width (to envisage the 757 as an alternative). AFIK, the 707, 727, 737 and 757 all have the same fuselage width which is slightly narrower than the A320 family. That's why the longer the Boeing stretches their fuselages of the 737/757, the less comfortable it gets for the pax giving them the feeling of sardines in a can.
In practice the market is asking for smaller long range airliners like the A220 or the E2. For really long range there is the A321XLR, which could be competed with by a 737-9 MAX with a similar range. The -10 seems to be a kludge at this point.
nah they stopped the production 2 decades ago; restarting the program would be a pain
Embraer did the right thing and designed a new wing & landing gear for the E2 so the PW1000's would sit where they're supposed to be. The 737 belongs in a museum.
“The 737 belongs in a museum.”
EPIC!!! 😂😂😂
Exactly what Boeing used to do.
-200 ➡️ classics ➡️ NG, all of them had new wings and MLG. But not the Max.
@@Adi2527A5 NG had same landing gear, they didn't raise the plane, that's why the NG has the distinct flattened engine cowl because of the minimum ground clearance
@@richardmiller257 then explain why the NG has 3cm more fuselage-to-ground clearance at MTOW compared to its predecessor. Both nose dan MLG of the NG is longer (slightly).
@@Adi2527A5larger tires
They’re being to cheap and have been with the whole project. Argue it’s for convenience all you want, but the truth is they’re just trying to save money at the expense of peoples lives.
It’s not risking any more lives, and it’s good for everyone if it’s cheaper
@@ChapatiMan no, they could have banged the aircraft height, and not had to install MCAS. They didn’t, because it would cost them money for simulators. Instead they made minor changes that meant MCAS would be needed and that costed nearly 500 lives. Now they have the problems with the -10 shown in this video. The only reason they did it was to save money and that’s not good when it costs us lives.
@@machaviationofficial who said it’s a problem when something is working fine?
Have you ever seen where you make a modification without some changes?
@@Samguy55 do you research - the MAX-10 has problems hence it has not been delivered to any airlines. The fuselage is too long for the height of the aircraft.
@@machaviationofficial I know. I’m just saying whenever a modification is made, there must be challenges. It’s up to the company to tackle such challenges and that’s what they did.
You’re making it look like modification to a product is always a problem
I personally think the MAX series will be the last iteration of the 737 design. The age of the basic design is still from the 60's and I think they have modified the aircraft enough now that any more redesigns from now will not reap any further reward
Yes it will be as Boeing and NASA are working on an experimental aircraft with a transonic truss braced wing design for future narrow bodies. GE is developing its RISE engines so I’m guessing they’ll likely team up again for that aircraft as well. GE and Boeing make a great partnership. Rolls Royce is a good option to though
Boeing already bragged that they have zero intention of doing anything new or inventing anything. They pretty much said they'll wait for airbus to set a trend, then follow. Because their shareholders are sick of their flops and expensive endeavours that go nowhere.
@@czhaokthat doesn’t quite make sense to me. The last plane Boeing designed from the ground up was the 787, which has significantly outsold the competition, while their cheap, low-effort redesigns (namely the 737 max and 777X) have sold very poorly compared to the competition with the A320neo family nearly doubling 737 max sales, and the 777X barely selling at all. I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t make sense to me that they’d go that route because their more conservative designs seem to have been more of their downfall
the 707 was the fist version with this body, 70 years ago
"Which is an extremly costly repair" Oh Yes that's exactly what I was worried about
Tail strikes are extremely unlikely to hurt anyone, so it should be all there is to worry about. All that'll happen is you'll feel a bump, especially if you're close to the back, and you'll have to catch another plane. Being so close to the airport, the pilots will simply circle around and land again. This isn't going to kill or seriously injure anyone
Jal 123: Am I a joke to you?
We're going to have twice the amount of incidents with this thing
It's nice, they'll do anything to keep the tired bird aloft. There's the 757 as prior mentioned that seemingly fits today's needs as well
The 737-900NG was already prone to tail strikes. There are plenty of these strikes on record. The 737-9 MAX is longer than the 900NG. Now you have the -10 MAX at 5'6" longer than the MAX-9. I would say the tail strikes are inevitable.
Tail clearance margins are better on the -10 (and -9) than the -8 and -800 (you read that right).
Stretch is primarily ahead of the wing so it’s all in the geometry plus the moss referred to 👍🏻
But the MAX 9 is only 3 inches longer than the -900. Thats not much of a difference.
Yes, the MAX 9 is the same length as -900 (just as the MAX 8 is the same as -800), but they didn't enlarge
the tailcone for better aerodynamics
@@richardmiller257 The -8 and -9 are actually slightly longer than the -800 and -900 by 1 and 3 feet respectively
@@dmcr9525 no the max 8's and 9's are the exact same length as NG -800 and -900 respectively. They did streamline the tailcones for aero purposes which accounts for the overall small length increase
Boeing continuously modifying the 737 reminds me of Marge Simpson and the Channel suit.
I remember that really well good analogy 😂😂😂
This plane is completely done. I don't know why the powers that be at Boeing don't have. People to design a new plane?They haven't figured out already after 2 crashes that they have done enough to this plane but they continue to want to play around with it. No wonder why Boeing is in 2nd place now.
Are we sure the landing gear compression system is for this purpose? It could be a system designed to extend the landing gear life when operated by Ryanair... 😁
I'm not an airplane engineer but making this airplane more complicated makes 'Murphy's Law' more possible; 'If something can go wrong it will!' I like Airbus and congrats to them.
Don’t forget about the A320, A321, A321NEO, and A321XLR. They’re doing the same thing. Albeit Boeing is doing it more so
@@Cal90208airbus isn't stretching their airframe beyond it's limits. The neo's engine fit because they moved the engine in front of the wing instead of under it. They haven't stretched the airframs to the point where they need to modify the landing gear to be overly complicated
@@jcspotter7322 the A321 is always at risk of tail strike on takeoff and landing so much that pilots land with shallower flap angle to not run into the issue. The max10 is just boeing's A321
We love the 737 but it is modified enough instead we need the 757 max
Boeing needs to get serious about replacing the 737.
But the compression system will enable and disable on landing by itself at will unless you buy the upgraded display option and boeing won't put in the manual why. Also Dave from Boeing's janitorial staff will sign it off as safe themselves.
Lmao what a dig 😂
I'm still amazed that planes even get off the ground.
It looks like Boeing always has a problem and a workaround. The fact is that nobody knows the work around until something happens in mid-air and they say we forgot to tell the pilot or staff the workaround.. 😂
At this point, just make a 757 neo
Cost problems
Stop milking it plz !!! A clean sheet design on the lines of the ‘Pencil’ is what is required
The max 8 and 9 was a ok ish idea of modernising the 737-800, but the 10 is a no for me. More simple answer was a 797 or a 757 neo. Own goal from Boeing for me
They should have just redeveloped the 757
If it works it works .. but what I don't understand is why they stopped making the 757
“New design that works without needing costly redesign.” That last time I heard that was with MCAS…
Let’s keep modding the 737… far out, please stop. Cut your losses, start a new design with a new workplace attitude. Focus on bettering the company, not the bottom line.
Boeing was actually working on this landing gear when they decided instead to go with moving the new larger engines to that forward and above the wing so they could compete wit the Airbus Neo.
And that threw off the center of gravity. And that led to the computer program MCAS they didn't bother to tell anyone about. And that caused the crash of Ethiopian and Lion and caused three hundred and forty six deaths. (346)
The saddest part of all of this is that Boeing in all their greed still doesn't think they did anything wrong
MAYBE THIS WILL BE THE 737 MAX 3RD GROUNDING.. GREED SUCKS! 😮
When there’s no ground clearance to begin with, stretching it was always gunna create this problem, trust American engineers to miss something blatantly obvious. Time to bring back the 757 I think.
I don't think anyone likes the 737 max. It's nobodies favorite Boeing
It's a frankenstein of planes. Enough Boeing. Make something new.
I won’t be flying in it!😳
The 757 should never have been discontinued..
The incidents of tail strikes as well as engines ingesting dirt or debris with this aircraft was addressed by the aircraft fuselage being much higher from the ground with an already established FAA required flight attendant crew of 1per maximum of 50 passengers and 1 each pilot and co-pilot so labor cost remained the same while the 757 was a proven long haul high capacity bird with a far nicer cabin.
The 757 wasn't selling. Everyone who needed them had them. No one was buying any more. At the time.
Had Boeing waited 5 years, they might have seen a surge of new orders as airlines started needing more due to sending them on longer flights and finding them to be excellent for that.
Sods law.
Yes because they can't make another aircraft that doesn't have to huge risks and was grounded for years
Why don't they just bring back the 757?
Max Death Trap
Agree Boeing would be better making 757X
Boeing’s inability to commit the money needed for a completely new aircraft design has cost lives, careers and jobs. It’s had it’s day, it’s the most successful aircraft of all time. LET IT GO. Looking at a 737MAX is like seeing a 98year old man in a brand new janitors uniform, sweeping the hall in an elementary school.
They really shouldn't have stopped the 757 program
So hang on... They had to put the engines further forward and higher up especially BECAUSE they didn't want to extend the landing gear, making the now-infamous MCAS necessary, but they've extended the landing gear anyway now?? Confused.
You should be confused because you’re not making any sense. The plane doesn’t sit any higher then it normally does. The extension only happen when rotating on take off
@@Laxa30 *than
Choose life , don’t fly on a Boeing , simples 👍
Modify it till ya get it how you want it. Make an omelette….crash a few.
Boeing sold 1000 737max10
hold up the max 9 and max 10 are only 66 inches different? isn’t that like two rows of seats 😭
just fly airbus or so at that point
Boeing really doesn't learn. Just go back to the drawing board with the 757. 757X seems more reasonable at this point.
Copy cats. A330 already has this.
And who are you?
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I'll be flying Airbus, thank you!
Bro....get ready for this long aah explanation...
Now...the MAX series from boeing is the most unsafe one...having crashes and being grounded ....now..i hate it when people just straight up say that the 737 is bad...like wth you mean dawg??the 737-900 and 737-700 are examples of safe 737s...and guess what...there are more
The reason 737 is crashing is not only MCAS Error but also the fact that the 737 is the most popular plane and it is used by many...many airlines!
And i get it...the MAX is unsafe and i kinda agree with that but theres so need to popularize it so much...airbus has had many crashes too...infact the first a320 crashed but nobody talks about that but everyone talks about this....there are so many planes out there with so many crashes but some choose to only focus on these specific crashes!why?
People have also been saying that boeing is getting unsafe and all that...but boeing was made way before airbus and was kinda THE aviation brand before airbus came up with their beauties...
And im not hating towards any brand right now...im just confused why this is happening..
Many are also saying the 737 is an old plane made for short haul...why stretch it like that for long haul?
(And yea...the 737 has a flight which is 8hr 30 mins)
So then what about the a321/a320?
They are also being stretched into long/medium haul purposes...
Well if you made it till here...GG and have a good day/night/afternoon/evening..
People: stop modifying the 737
Also people: KEEP MODIFYING THE 757!!!!!!
This aircraft has been modified so much, they should rename it the 737MMM.
Or maybe 737CM. Constantly modified.
Wait till it comes out with a carbon fiber
Main body
Oof
This type of gear modification is nothing new. For example, the 777-300 has a similar modification over the -200 that helps reduce the risk tail strikes.
However, I do think this needs to be the end of the line for the 737 family. The MAX9 is already pushing the limits of the airframe, the MAX10 is going all the way.
when will boeing learn to stop, they shouldnt put the max 10 into service, and rather give everyone what they want, the 757MAX or 757X, they seem to be too concerned with “costly redesigns” which is initially why the max was grounded and deemed unsafe because of all the cost cutting
Great more innovation by Boeing that will lead to failures
SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER MCAS
No it doesn't 🤦🏿♂️
Greed leaves the passengers with an overcomplicated 737 that should not be allowed to fly. Unfortunately money talks and always wins. Security ISN'T an issue for their decisions......
Another Boeing Bodge. Fatal failure guaranteed.
Another example of an aircraft built by accountants.
"It's too long" "a huge problem". Jokes aside, thanks for explaining a solution to a problem while speaking 400% more than necessary.