Beatniks were awesome people. They actually started, and, had long hair too, as far back as the mid 1940's. But people like this were rare and hard to find because they lived in fear of others who wanted to hurt or even kill them. If you get a chance, I've created a CD of the Jazz Style Beatnik music on my channel. Come check me out! BEATNIKS RULE!
It seems that many Beatnik/greaser types in the 1940s/50s actually had shoulder-length hair but very often styled it as pompadours using pomade/hair oils
@@liamkatt6434 Crazy😁 i grew up in the 60's and 70's. I have a jew boy cousin who introduced me to beatnik jazz. I I was Mr. Tiny back then. Only about 7 years old but I loved the lingo, "cool cat daddy-o chick man!" In the 70's I was a lead Guitarist for several hard rock bands and I loved that too. 😁
Personally I thought the'outraged' older generation seemed pretty chilled about it all in some ways.Hats off to those beats though.Looking hippy cool long before the 60s started swinging.Big difference between their conceousness and the band wagon jumpers who followed
It is a rarity. Never seen much film of beatniks! Beatniks became hipsters in the 60s in San Francisco and the name got changed to hippies. A lot were middle or upper class too. Hence the 'posh' you noticed! Long hair in 1960 was very extreme and outrageous. They might look nerdy now but in those days they were super-cool!
I researched this. It really is 1960. The guitar player is Wizz Jones, playing in a Woody Guthrie style. This style was very popular on English folk clubs at the time,and skiffle bands . Long hair became increasingly common in the Uk in following couple of years due to the end of conscription.
The beatniks are thoroughly nice people in this video, and were an indication of the future with their concern for the ecology and sincere values. Its a shame the locals couldn t find it in themselves to be more understanding and accommodating.
Absolutely fascinating. I didn't think there were any Beatniks/Hippies this early in the 60's. I thought they were only around in the late 60's and early to mid 70's.
Oh yes. There was a bit of a stereotype in the late 50s/early 60s. Rebels from the sec mod became Teds. Rebels from the grammar school became Beats. Newquay now attracts surfers. Silly old farts in this film would have shot the town in the foot by banning them as well.
It's weird because beards and long hair for men have been popular until relatively recently in the 1900s before that for almost 2000 years European men wore their hair longs and grew their beards long.
I always think of beatniks playing beatnik jazz with a lot of flute and saying things like kool it man, daddio and things like that. I was a tot during the beatnik craze and that's how they were in the US.
Yes I can imagine everything has changed a LOT. The burghers of Newquay never knew they had it so good. Those beatniks were quite genteel and sweet in comparison to the feral yobbos now!
I think the Dubliners started the long hair thing. I remember their visit to Liverpool in the late fifties and how they impressed us all with their great long hair and massive beards. But these guys were really Avant guard, about 5 years ahead of the rest. This was the forming time when musicians like Donovan was travelling with Gypsy Dave and incredible String bands were learning their stuff. (Why didn't the town provide a bath house and laundry?)
Just watched this after meeting a chap on the Barrowfields in Newquay as we are on holiday for our 3rd week this year in Newquay ..How times have changed
In the 1950s, my father was a member of a motorcycle club and my mother was expecting her second child before they were eventually married. This was a mildly radical lifestyle in their day - one of my mother's Christian brothers refused to attend their wedding because of their sinful behaviour!
Hi my dad was a beatnik down in Newquay 1965. He's 70 now and is called Tony parsons. I told him to look on Facebook for some of the beatniks he'd known from down there in them days. One guy was called rod from Liverpool and John from Wigan. If by chance one of you look on here he'd like to get in touch.
More confirmation: The young women in standing on the street in the background at 5'32 to 5'38 who were much more fashion conscious than the beatniks are wearing casual young fashions and haircuts from circa 1960 or 1961.
Dylan hadn't even moved to New York in 1960. The inspirations for what Wizz was doing here were Woody Guthrie and, more directly, Ramblin' Jack Elliot. Wizz certainly gives a good account of himself here for a 20-year old guitarist and singer.
Only 50 years ago...amazing. The predjudice shown here if it had been so blatently directed against any kind of ethnic minorty would probably have caused quite a storm. "They're not one of us" as peter gabriel once sang!!
pure comedy @ 2:42 "But when it came to just forgetting to wash and becoming gradually dirtier and dirtier, eventually becoming filthy and finally stinking. We felt it was more than we could stand."
I wonder if this " not clean " objection to long haired beatniks in Newquay in 1960 , is what led to the " he's a clean old man " line in the Beatles movie " A Hard Day's Night " which came out in 1964 .
Alan - always open-minded and unbigoted, he was a good man. Cliff comes across as rather snide with his closing remark. Fascinating footage - thank you!
When I was growing up, American beatniks didn't have long hair. They tended to have short, well groomed hair, goatees and black attire. They loved the black turtleneck shirts.
When I was kid we watched Tonight. They would have singers singing topical songs- Cy Grant- the first black man on TV in Britain on a regular basis and the Scottish duo- Robin Hall and Jimmy McGregor.Jimmy grew a beard in 1962 and we had a girl (Jenny- a keen folkie records by the Highwaymen etc)) staying with us- she wrote to BBC Points of View telling him "Shave if Off!". I don't remember this bloke getting a slot, though! Cliff had a fabulous "Comb Over". Jeremy Clarkson would be impressed!
So this is where the long hair trend came from..and the input from the Beat(les) is obviously from that movement in England...this is a true historical clip for the Counter culture and global generation gap
Definitely were cool- even if upper class goofiness makes them comical. Especially the big gawky chick, but her radical style attracts me. Hipsters- That word was around from the 1930s, a.k.a 'hepcats'. Belonged to the underground jazz scene and black musicians, spreading to hoodlums and white intellectuals, junkies and bohemians- the Greenwich Village scene, gelling into the beat generation and 'beatniks'. I'm generalising- but that's the gist of it
Nothing wrong with being clean but the mainstream back then was that you had to be perfectly clean which I'm against because there is we all get dirty to some point because of the environment.
so what if a great deal of beatniks came down here... tourists (in those days) didn't come to newquay for the people, it was for the break away and scenery. should have let them stay... had a nice laid back town... never know it could've stayed like that.
Susie and I used to get in on, on a regular basis in Newquay and elsewhere. As I recall, she was scrupulously clean … I was the scruffy soap-dodger - something which she seemed to find rather appealing. 🧔
I'm surprised that most people back in 1960 had nothing against thier long hair, beards and clothes they were just annoyed of how those beatniks never washed themselves lol
To be honest, I think they probably secretly did have an issue with it. In the 1960s, a lot of people spoke more in euphemisms, like "he's a confirmed bachelor" if you were gay or the like. Even nowadays, I sometimes hear people (even my parents) comment on peoples' hair length as if it were a hygiene thing in and of itself. They don't want to be seen as being oppressive or anti-personal freedom because people see it as an intrinsic British right, so often these things get expressed in ways that are more "acceptable".
@princeminski47 It's not even close to a mullet, he just has very short bangs. mullet owners cut the sides of their hair short with their ears exposed.. only long in the back
The UK now feels this way about all foreigners... according to Brexit, i wonder how that came about? Our attitude has not changed one bit since the 60's, we have transferred our attitude to foreign people from our own wanderers
Well, Dylan based this song on Woody Guthrie very much so in general in the beginning of his career, who again based his songs on "traditionals" and music from the 1920s and '30s. There we go.
I do believe that Monty Python used the same style of voice that the interviewer has on purpose. I laughed hard just hearing this guy speaking in the same "sing-song" way of talking.
Its not the same though... in the youth of today the Dyonissian spirit became nihilistic, it was already visible in the plastic beatniks and hippies. Back then these young people had the ideal (as many real hippies still have today) of living kind of moneylees as to exclude their participation in the reproduction of the Establishment's values.
incredible bit of footage... Some very posh ones too... could've gotten their daddies to buy out half the town but it would've blown their cred. Amazing to see what they looked like- Who called them 'hippies'... this is way before that period... this was 1960. To have long hair then was completely alien- Those guys were slightly super hip, but pre-hippy... but it's true they were also very annoying and nerdy.
I think bohemians had a good deal more self-respect when they thought of themselves as Beatniks. The dope culture did nothing to improve the lives of bohemians as they began to think of themselves as hippies. And Americans when they adopted the hippie style... largely were incapable of adopting it's artistic and intellectual legacy. One cannot imagine Eric who is interviewed here saying " Well like everything is everything at Winterland Baby .." but a few year later in America... that is exactly what heard. Much Lost in the Translation.
in 2019, Britain, invites any immigrant, no matter if they work or not.....Long Live Beatniks of Newquay......from a Scotlander....I love our Beatniks....& Brexit!!!!!! Nigel Farage...Godfather of the New Great Britain!!!!
Why does he answer her when she asks him how much he bathes? I would have sent it to the devil at the time, or at least I would have laughed and would not have answered it.
Around that time they were known as beatniks and that's how they saw themselves. Actually the name 'beatnik' was going out of fashion and they were known simply as 'beats'. They slept rough (anywhere outside). The berets and jazz set were a few years earlier.
thanks! I was 6 in 1960 and we really just had greasers and hippies, and mods. but I am researching beatniks. I remember it was not 'hip' to say 'hep' - that's about as far as I've gotten!
I'm so amazed this footage exists... Thank-you so much for uploading! Big love to the Beatniks 😎
Beatniks were awesome people. They actually started, and, had long hair too, as far back as the mid 1940's. But people like this were rare and hard to find because they lived in fear of others who wanted to hurt or even kill them.
If you get a chance, I've created a CD of the Jazz Style Beatnik music on my channel. Come check me out! BEATNIKS RULE!
It seems that many Beatnik/greaser types in the 1940s/50s actually had shoulder-length hair but very often styled it as pompadours using pomade/hair oils
I remember the Teddy Boys and the Beatniks and then the mods and Rockers and the Hippies....lived through it all first hand.
@@liamkatt6434 Crazy😁 i grew up in the 60's and 70's. I have a jew boy cousin who introduced me to beatnik jazz. I I was Mr. Tiny back then. Only about 7 years old but I loved the lingo, "cool cat daddy-o chick man!" In the 70's I was a lead Guitarist for several hard rock bands and I loved that too. 😁
Love these Beats bless ‘em! Can’t believe the fuss the locals made ha ha
Personally I thought the'outraged' older generation seemed pretty chilled about it all in some ways.Hats off to those beats though.Looking hippy cool long before the 60s started swinging.Big difference between their conceousness and the band wagon jumpers who followed
It is a rarity. Never seen much film of beatniks! Beatniks became hipsters in the 60s in San Francisco and the name got changed to hippies. A lot were middle or upper class too. Hence the 'posh' you noticed! Long hair in 1960 was very extreme and outrageous. They might look nerdy now but in those days they were super-cool!
I really like the guitar man. He seems like a really cool guy.
I researched this. It really is 1960. The guitar player is Wizz Jones, playing in a Woody Guthrie style. This style was very popular on English folk clubs at the time,and skiffle bands . Long hair became increasingly common in the Uk in following couple of years due to the end of conscription.
Wait, did he steal this from Bob Dylan (Hard Times In New York Town - th-cam.com/video/_r3yVnhRc9Q/w-d-xo.html) or did Bob Dylan steal it from him???
Interesting. When I first saw this I couldn't believe it was as early as 1960.
Amazing that its so recent in the memory of those who stayed and made their mark in Newquay and still live here.Much to Newquay's advantage.
Interesting video it’s become a lot more urbanised and expensive these days (Newquay)
This is WIZZ Jones an amazing musician seen him a few times, last time was his 60th birthday bash
Wizz Jones is still around and still playing!
Feels like a Monty Python sketch
+45r2d2 And now for something completely different. The Larch.......
wont when you are on the receiving end of discrimination and mindless hate.
Priceless Anthropology!
The beatniks are thoroughly nice people in this video, and were an indication of the future with their concern for the ecology and sincere values.
Its a shame the locals couldn t find it in themselves to be more understanding and accommodating.
Yup and indication that society was now on a long slow decline into immorality and crime
Vintage telly from the grand master of reportage.
oh it was good to be young and part of an amazing time
Absolutely fascinating. I didn't think there were any Beatniks/Hippies this early in the 60's. I thought they were only around in the late 60's and early to mid 70's.
Oh yes. There was a bit of a stereotype in the late 50s/early 60s. Rebels from the sec mod became Teds. Rebels from the grammar school became Beats. Newquay now attracts surfers. Silly old farts in this film would have shot the town in the foot by banning them as well.
Lol beatniks were around in the the mid 50s
The hippie movement died in the 70's. It began in the 60's.
i want to be a Beatnik
It's benefits street 1960 style. Nothing has changed. The MAN is still beatin' on the Beats.
I thought of this when I heard about Alans death earlier. RIP to a TV legend who helped bring Wizz to our attention.
It's weird because beards and long hair for men have been popular until relatively recently in the 1900s before that for almost 2000 years European men wore their hair longs and grew their beards long.
Yeah, they act like if in the 19th century there weren't presidents and kings with long hair. Short hair just started massively in 20th century again.
This is awesome.
I always think of beatniks playing beatnik jazz with a lot of flute and saying things like kool it man, daddio and things like that. I was a tot during the beatnik craze and that's how they were in the US.
EmpressOfWyoming58 That sort of talk was years before the " beat " generation.
Peter Jones What do you mean by the beat generation? I was a kid then and beatniks spoke that way where I lived.
The precursor to the hippie!
Yes I can imagine everything has changed a LOT. The burghers of Newquay never knew they had it so good. Those beatniks were quite genteel and sweet in comparison to the feral yobbos now!
You can definitely see the proto-hippie spirit in the Beatniks. It's funny how much our societies have changed over half a century.
I think the Dubliners started the long hair thing.
I remember their visit to Liverpool in the late fifties and how they impressed us all with their great long hair and massive beards.
But these guys were really Avant guard, about 5 years ahead of the rest.
This was the forming time when musicians like Donovan was travelling with Gypsy Dave and incredible String bands were learning their stuff.
(Why didn't the town provide a bath house and laundry?)
wow, that's early
Those damn hipsters would be in their 70s now!
Older than that I bet
More like 90
Just watched this after meeting a chap on the Barrowfields in Newquay as we are on holiday for our 3rd week this year in Newquay ..How times have changed
In the 1950s, my father was a member of a motorcycle club and my mother was expecting her second child before they were eventually married. This was a mildly radical lifestyle in their day - one of my mother's Christian brothers refused to attend their wedding because of their sinful behaviour!
Mildly radical,but not that unusuall.Three of my four great Aunts/Granies all had shotgun weddings... and this was in the '20s
Yes this was 1960 and they were known as beatniks. The name shortened to 'beats' from about 1964.
Hi my dad was a beatnik down in Newquay 1965. He's 70 now and is called Tony parsons. I told him to look on Facebook for some of the beatniks he'd known from down there in them days. One guy was called rod from Liverpool and John from Wigan. If by chance one of you look on here he'd like to get in touch.
Hi - Im looking for a beatnik guitarist called Alan would have been around Newquay then if your dad knows him.
No He never came across that fella I’m afraid
More confirmation: The young women in standing on the street in the background at 5'32 to 5'38 who were much more fashion conscious than the beatniks are wearing casual young fashions and haircuts from circa 1960 or 1961.
Dylan hadn't even moved to New York in 1960. The inspirations for what Wizz was doing here were Woody Guthrie and, more directly, Ramblin' Jack Elliot. Wizz certainly gives a good account of himself here for a 20-year old guitarist and singer.
Only 50 years ago...amazing. The predjudice shown here if it had been so blatently directed against any kind of ethnic minorty would probably have caused quite a storm. "They're not one of us" as peter gabriel once sang!!
pure comedy @ 2:42 "But when it came to just forgetting to wash and becoming gradually dirtier and dirtier, eventually becoming filthy and finally stinking. We felt it was more than we could stand."
Outraged Rotarian and Freemason vibes, man...
damn those beatniks!
I wonder if this " not clean " objection to long haired beatniks in Newquay in 1960 , is what led to the " he's a clean old man " line in the Beatles movie " A Hard Day's Night " which came out in 1964 .
Alan - always open-minded and unbigoted, he was a good man. Cliff comes across as rather snide with his closing remark. Fascinating footage - thank you!
See and it wasn’t even the tourists complaining just the small minded locals.
These beatniks are more like pre hippies.
That is what the evolved into, the urban hipsters or hippies.
I was just thinking this!
When I was growing up, American beatniks didn't have long hair. They tended to have short, well groomed hair, goatees and black attire. They loved the black turtleneck shirts.
EmpressOfWyoming58 Like the title,your Majesty.........lol
Tom Keir
It's a play on the Neil Young song Emperor Of Wyoming.
Alan Whicker, born 1921 was 39 in 1960 but looked a decade older.
Everyone looked older than their age back then esp women
Great stuff - thanks for uploading.
donovan's autobiography mentions this scene
When I was kid we watched Tonight. They would have singers singing topical songs- Cy Grant- the first black man on TV in Britain on a regular basis and the Scottish duo- Robin Hall and Jimmy McGregor.Jimmy grew a beard in 1962 and we had a girl (Jenny- a keen folkie records by the Highwaymen etc)) staying with us- she wrote to BBC Points of View telling him "Shave if Off!". I don't remember this bloke getting a slot, though! Cliff had a fabulous "Comb Over". Jeremy Clarkson would be impressed!
And now for something completely different.
wow
So this is where the long hair trend came from..and the input from the Beat(les) is obviously from that movement in England...this is a true historical clip for the Counter culture and global generation gap
Eric looks like a guy I'd run into in Highland Park
From Beatniks to Muslims. WOW!!
Beatniks in San Francisco I get. Beatniks in Greenwich Village I dig. In Newquay, I'm not so sure.
Definitely were cool- even if upper class goofiness makes them comical. Especially the big gawky chick, but her radical style attracts me. Hipsters- That word was around from the 1930s, a.k.a 'hepcats'. Belonged to the underground jazz scene and black musicians, spreading to hoodlums and white intellectuals, junkies and bohemians- the Greenwich Village scene, gelling into the beat generation and 'beatniks'. I'm generalising- but that's the gist of it
Nothing wrong with being clean but the mainstream back then was that you had to be perfectly clean which I'm against because there is we all get dirty to some point because of the environment.
The beats..hence the beatles..originaly called the silver beatles....
No parody could touch the absurdity here.
Beatniks-the hippies before there were any hippies!!!
Olivia below me got it onthe head! Beatnik and the beat generation are different terms!
so what if a great deal of beatniks came down here...
tourists (in those days) didn't come to newquay for the people, it was for the break away and scenery.
should have let them stay... had a nice laid back town... never know it could've stayed like that.
It's for sure the first song about guys growing their hair long
very well said dude... get jon to publish it
Punk rock!
I got a map of Wales, looked for Nookie, but, could not find it.
lol Newquay
It's in Cornwall anyway, not Wales.
English people get nookie where ever they can.
Susie and I used to get in on, on a regular basis in Newquay and elsewhere. As I recall, she was scrupulously clean … I was the scruffy soap-dodger - something which she seemed to find rather appealing. 🧔
I'm surprised that most people back in 1960 had nothing against thier long hair, beards and clothes they were just annoyed of how those beatniks never washed themselves lol
To be honest, I think they probably secretly did have an issue with it. In the 1960s, a lot of people spoke more in euphemisms, like "he's a confirmed bachelor" if you were gay or the like. Even nowadays, I sometimes hear people (even my parents) comment on peoples' hair length as if it were a hygiene thing in and of itself. They don't want to be seen as being oppressive or anti-personal freedom because people see it as an intrinsic British right, so often these things get expressed in ways that are more "acceptable".
Why should people have an issue with it seems very narrow minded it’s just hair at the end of the day
Thank gawd I'm balding, I can get a pint in the Red and a bag of chips from Truscotts
@princeminski47 It's not even close to a mullet, he just has very short bangs. mullet owners cut the sides of their hair short with their ears exposed.. only long in the back
It's definitely Woody Guthrie we're hearing here.
so this was only in this place or there was more measures taken to reduce beatnik count ?
Newquay now is the biggest tip imaginable.
Beatniks had short hair. Some of them became long-haired hippies, like Allen Ginsberg, and others did not. Kerouac was skeptical of hippies.
The UK now feels this way about all foreigners... according to Brexit, i wonder how that came about? Our attitude has not changed one bit since the 60's, we have transferred our attitude to foreign people from our own wanderers
Good point and very true.
Well, Dylan based this song on Woody Guthrie very much so in general in the beginning of his career, who again based his songs on "traditionals" and music from the 1920s and '30s. There we go.
Well done Wiz, I guess your thoughts are still the same.Did he influence Clapton ?
Thats for him to know and you to ask him.
@SURFSTYLEY4 I stand corrected.
I do believe that Monty Python used the same style of voice that the interviewer has on purpose. I laughed hard just hearing this guy speaking in the same "sing-song" way of talking.
Its not the same though... in the youth of today the Dyonissian spirit became nihilistic, it was already visible in the plastic beatniks and hippies. Back then these young people had the ideal (as many real hippies still have today) of living kind of moneylees as to exclude their participation in the reproduction of the Establishment's values.
The sign said long haired freaky people need not apply.
They would be horrified with Portland Oregon.
"Lousy beatniks" Ned Flanders.
Old Man Yells at Cloud
From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia [dot] org/wiki/Wizz_Jones#The_folk_period
incredible bit of footage... Some very posh ones too... could've gotten their daddies to buy out half the town but it would've blown their cred. Amazing to see what they looked like- Who called them 'hippies'... this is way before that period... this was 1960. To have long hair then was completely alien- Those guys were slightly super hip, but pre-hippy... but it's true they were also very annoying and nerdy.
And then......the hippies arrived!
Beatniks came before hipsters
The beats..hence the beatles..originaly called the silver beatles....
they all talk very posh...the good old days
MrCrispian Beatles had nothing to do with beatniks. The word Beatnik is from beat poetry.
Ever so cross!
I think bohemians had a good deal more self-respect when they thought of themselves as Beatniks. The dope culture did nothing to improve the lives of bohemians as they began to think of themselves as hippies. And Americans when they adopted the hippie style... largely were incapable of adopting it's artistic and intellectual legacy. One cannot imagine Eric who is interviewed here saying " Well like everything is everything at Winterland Baby .." but a few year later in America... that is exactly what heard. Much Lost in the Translation.
in 2019, Britain, invites any immigrant, no matter if they work or not.....Long Live Beatniks of Newquay......from a Scotlander....I love our Beatniks....& Brexit!!!!!! Nigel Farage...Godfather of the New Great Britain!!!!
Ok
1960-are you sure?!!
Long hair like that?
Yea, but it's really 1960
Long hair (with beard) is very extreme and strange in 50s
Hair really scares 😂
As people have said, beatniks weren't hippies. They were much, much more similar to the modern subculture of "hipsters".
As usual the councillors are the real STINKERS 😢😮😂
I'm still a bit wary of these long-haired beatniks you know....
yeah, i bet the townsfolk nowdays wish they could turn back time---no gangs and yobbo violence back then
Why does he answer her when she asks him how much he bathes? I would have sent it to the devil at the time, or at least I would have laughed and would not have answered it.
1960. Their children are disastified with their parents' set up. Ha ha ha...
Where are the sunglasses and berets? Real beatnik attire? Glorious jazz? These are transitionals. Protohippies, not beatniks.
Around that time they were known as beatniks and that's how they saw themselves. Actually the name 'beatnik' was going out of fashion and they were known simply as 'beats'. They slept rough (anywhere outside). The berets and jazz set were a few years earlier.
thanks! I was 6 in 1960 and we really just had greasers and hippies, and mods. but I am researching beatniks. I remember it was not 'hip' to say 'hep' - that's about as far as I've gotten!
Well you want to live in stonehouse then
Cool vid but that isn't 1960! 1964 maybe but no way that's1960.
I thought the same thing.
In fact I thought it must be from 1969!
We were both wrong which makes this clip far more precious and interesting.
Damn, hipsters.