Calling anything Golden Horde related from the early 14th century onwards "Mongol" is kinda ahistorical since the Mongol identity of the horde from aristocracy to subjects completely vanished for Turkic (Kipchak) after Ozbeg Khan's reign
@@KILLER.KNIGHT golden horde in 14 th century war with timur but loses. after lose timurid empire mongol of golden horde just going timur and yuan dynasty back to modern land
Months ago Schwerpunkt made a video on Eurasian steppes warfare that deals with the Golden Horde century by century. He's also plenty of Turkic-Mongol warfare videos
Brilliant video as usual. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. Love your videos and channel. Love from Sri Lanka ❤️.
Popularly called The Golden Horde, the domains of the heirs of Jochi were not known by that name. The term ‘Golden Horde’ does not enter the sources until the sixteenth century, when Russian chroniclers referred to the domains as Zolotaia Orda, the Golden Camp or Palace.¹ During the Mongol era, they were known as the Kipchak Ulus or Khanate or the Jochid Ulus or Khanate. The Kipchak Khanate appellation came later and was a substitution for the Dasht-i Kipchak, or the Kipchak Steppes.
tatars arent even turkic, you guys are uralic or smth you know and state that yourselves, why do you try to claim golden horde, which is obviously Kazakh's?
@@assfghjkl No, it is not just Kazakhs who are successors of the Golden Horde. Crimean tatars, tatars, bashkirs, nogais, karakalpaks are all peoples that derive from the golden horde
The tartars were a powerful nation that Russia wared with they were the ones that inspired all the modern day invention light bulbs everything electrical that came from Russia was first in the hands of the tartaryan nation
In a strictly historical sense, however, it is most frequently used for the Turkic (mainly Kipchak) tribes who constituted the bulk of the Mongol army that invaded Russia in the early thirteenth century.
That’s true, but without the mongol leadership and the siege engineers they brought from the east, the Kipchaks wouldn’t be able to do anything to the Russian as they have been living in Eurasian steppe for many centuries
@@ChihChiKao lol are you serious . Us Kipchaks (now predominantly Kazakhs) aka Polovetsians were visiting Russians ocasionally back then and were known as their main bullies
@@medaslk just bullies but couldnt have total domination like the mongols have achieved. The mongols got the experience of conquering an empire through their combats with the jurchen empire in the east
@@medaslkWhat’s the source of your claim that Kypchaks were the bulk of the army ? In the first place Mongols attacked Russia because they didn’t hand over Kypshak who fleed away and hidden in Russia , so I can’t understand your logic. Why would Kypshaks would be the bulk of the army when they were being chased by Mongols 😂 You Kazakhs really come up with unbelievable ideas to make yourself feel closer to our legendary ancestors you’re really in identity crisis .
Among modern Tatars, descendants from elite clans of the Golden Horde belong to haplogroup R1b1a1a-M73 (Akchurin et al. 2018). Moreover they had Turkic origins, specially from the Merkit tribe.
tatars arent even turkic, you guys are uralic or smth you know and state that yourselves, why do you try to claim golden horde, which is obviously Kazakh's?
even turkish people living in mediterranean have more real turkic blood than you guys, cuz they are turkic with admixture, while you are uralic (or smth) with a tiny percent of turkic admixture due to turkic expansion. that's it
The Golden Horde was not a typical mongol empire but a Turkic empire, Jochi was usually a Merkit prince whose tribe were of Turkic origin and were actually Christian before the rise of Genghis Khan.
there's a clear debate about Jochi claiming he's an actual son of Temujin (Genghis Khan) or a Merkit prince. I lean towards he's the actual son of Temujin but with slight doubts (like 60-40ish). and I don't think so. At that time, only the Khereids were Nostorian christian.
@@AminmunhKing-mw9pxEven if Merkits were Turkic speakers you can’t claim Golden Horde . Jochi grew up around Mongols and he had Mongol mentality . Merkits also were culturally and ethnically closer to Mongols , so I don’t think you know what you’re talking about .
The Horde was gradually Turkified and lost its Mongol identity, while the descendants of Batu's original Mongol warriors constituted the upper class. Possibly 14th century
Antes de morrer, Gentis dividiu seu grande império entre seus 4 filhos. Seu filho Batu kan pegou a parte mais ao ocidente (Asia central, Russia e algumas partes leste europeu). Batu até tentou dominar mais e avançou bastante na Europa, porém a campanha parou quando Oguedei (filho de Gêngis que era o Khan atual) morreu e eles tiveram que ir pra Mongolia decidir quem seria o novo líder (batucan já estava próximo da Itália, essa volta salvou a Europa dos mongols) Batucan criou a horda dourada, com a capital na Rússia. Quando ele morreu, o declinei no poder mongol criou oportunidade para os príncipes e nobres de russ Kiev gerar revoltas nas comunidades islâmicas e regiões controladas pela horda dourada. Então as forças dos outros kanatos foram enviadas para mandar uma mensagem aos rebeldes. Os Russ então se arrependeram e o irmão de Batucan (Burke kan) virou o novo líder.... Acho que a Horda dourada foi um dos últimos kanatos a cair. Porém o enfraquecimento dos Mongols e divisão do império, os islavos conseguiram recuperar suas terras
I have a request. Could you do a Cross examination of Folk Lore. Comparing the Medieval Grim Reaper, to the Angel of Death from the bible. Are they in theory the same Entity?
By that time the mogol war machine was no longer mongol but other ethnicities. The strong mongol horsemen are gone and unit cohesion are absent. Just like yuan dynasty watered down to han Chinese peasants soldiers
wow that's was very cool this history i love that everthing longer years ago battlefield like huh very very interesting mm i love that and i love your explain this history how evolution this people yup anyway cheer brother father 🥂.
Calling anything Golden Horde related from the early 14th century onwards "Mongol" is kinda ahistorical since the Mongol identity of the horde from aristocracy to subjects completely vanished for Turkic (Kipchak) after Ozbeg Khan's reign
It's because it wasn't the golden hord
@@jimbobhootenanny4440What??
No Golden Horde without Mongols.
@@fshoaps No?
@@KILLER.KNIGHT golden horde in 14 th century war with timur but loses. after lose timurid empire mongol of golden horde just going timur and yuan dynasty back to modern land
Thanks for the video & information
Months ago Schwerpunkt made a video on Eurasian steppes warfare that deals with the Golden Horde century by century. He's also plenty of Turkic-Mongol warfare videos
Brilliant video as usual. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. Love your videos and channel. Love from Sri Lanka ❤️.
Popularly called The Golden Horde, the domains of the heirs of Jochi were not known by that name. The term ‘Golden Horde’ does not enter the sources until the sixteenth century, when Russian chroniclers referred to the domains as Zolotaia Orda, the Golden Camp or Palace.¹ During the Mongol era, they were known as the Kipchak Ulus or Khanate or the Jochid Ulus or Khanate. The Kipchak Khanate appellation came later and was a substitution for the Dasht-i Kipchak, or the Kipchak Steppes.
This are different notions. Kipchaks are not Mongols.
@@IrS-f6qthe golden horde is known as a kipchak state.
tatars arent even turkic, you guys are uralic or smth you know and state that yourselves, why do you try to claim golden horde, which is obviously Kazakh's?
@@assfghjkl No, it is not just Kazakhs who are successors of the Golden Horde. Crimean tatars, tatars, bashkirs, nogais, karakalpaks are all peoples that derive from the golden horde
The tartars were a powerful nation that Russia wared with they were the ones that inspired all the modern day invention light bulbs everything electrical that came from Russia was first in the hands of the tartaryan nation
In a strictly historical sense, however, it is most frequently used for the Turkic (mainly Kipchak) tribes who constituted the bulk of the Mongol army that invaded Russia in the early thirteenth century.
That’s true, but without the mongol leadership and the siege engineers they brought from the east, the Kipchaks wouldn’t be able to do anything to the Russian as they have been living in Eurasian steppe for many centuries
@@ChihChiKao lol are you serious . Us Kipchaks (now predominantly Kazakhs) aka Polovetsians were visiting Russians ocasionally back then and were known as their main bullies
@@medaslk just bullies but couldnt have total domination like the mongols have achieved. The mongols got the experience of conquering an empire through their combats with the jurchen empire in the east
@@ChihChiKao whatever makes you feel supreme
@@medaslkWhat’s the source of your claim that Kypchaks were the bulk of the army ?
In the first place Mongols attacked Russia because they didn’t hand over Kypshak who fleed away and hidden in Russia , so I can’t understand your logic. Why would Kypshaks would be the bulk of the army when they were being chased by Mongols 😂
You Kazakhs really come up with unbelievable ideas to make yourself feel closer to our legendary ancestors you’re really in identity crisis .
Among modern Tatars, descendants from elite clans of the Golden Horde belong to haplogroup R1b1a1a-M73 (Akchurin et al. 2018).
Moreover they had Turkic origins, specially from the Merkit tribe.
It proves their grand grand mother cheated
Kazakhs are the real descendants of the Golden Horde. Kazakh haplogroup C2 and all Kazakh khans were descendants of Genghis Khan
tatars arent even turkic, you guys are uralic or smth you know and state that yourselves, why do you try to claim golden horde, which is obviously Kazakh's?
even turkish people living in mediterranean have more real turkic blood than you guys, cuz they are turkic with admixture, while you are uralic (or smth) with a tiny percent of turkic admixture due to turkic expansion. that's it
Keep up the awesome and amazing work
💛 all your videos mate👍
The Golden Horde was not a typical mongol empire but a Turkic empire, Jochi was usually a Merkit prince whose tribe were of Turkic origin and were actually Christian before the rise of Genghis Khan.
there's a clear debate about Jochi claiming he's an actual son of Temujin (Genghis Khan) or a Merkit prince. I lean towards he's the actual son of Temujin but with slight doubts (like 60-40ish). and I don't think so. At that time, only the Khereids were Nostorian christian.
bro merkit was mongolian tribe not Turkic
turks just loves to claim everything
golden horde is mongol . Jochi is son of Genghis khan
@@AminmunhKing-mw9pxEven if Merkits were Turkic speakers you can’t claim Golden Horde . Jochi grew up around Mongols and he had Mongol mentality . Merkits also were culturally and ethnically closer to Mongols , so I don’t think you know what you’re talking about .
I wonder the Mongols yelled, "For the Golden Horde" as they charged into Battle.
Probably when Batu Khan introduced himself to the Kyivan Rus.
*_I'M BATU KHAN!_*
The Horde was gradually Turkified and lost its Mongol identity, while the descendants of Batu's original Mongol warriors constituted the upper class. Possibly 14th century
Show me your proof, or you missed your history class?
Which script did the Mongols write in at that time?
Uighur and Nastaliq
Mongol script but similar uyghur script. its like uyghur script mongolian version
There were many more Abbasid Caliphs after that.
Legends!!!
One of the most interesting muslim empires
How can you forget about Volga Bulgaria??
Antes de morrer, Gentis dividiu seu grande império entre seus 4 filhos. Seu filho Batu kan pegou a parte mais ao ocidente (Asia central, Russia e algumas partes leste europeu). Batu até tentou dominar mais e avançou bastante na Europa, porém a campanha parou quando Oguedei (filho de Gêngis que era o Khan atual) morreu e eles tiveram que ir pra Mongolia decidir quem seria o novo líder (batucan já estava próximo da Itália, essa volta salvou a Europa dos mongols)
Batucan criou a horda dourada, com a capital na Rússia. Quando ele morreu, o declinei no poder mongol criou oportunidade para os príncipes e nobres de russ Kiev gerar revoltas nas comunidades islâmicas e regiões controladas pela horda dourada. Então as forças dos outros kanatos foram enviadas para mandar uma mensagem aos rebeldes. Os Russ então se arrependeram e o irmão de Batucan (Burke kan) virou o novo líder....
Acho que a Horda dourada foi um dos últimos kanatos a cair. Porém o enfraquecimento dos Mongols e divisão do império, os islavos conseguiram recuperar suas terras
The Golden Horde was multicultural, Blessed Be.
I have a request. Could you do a Cross examination of Folk Lore. Comparing the Medieval Grim Reaper, to the Angel of Death from the bible. Are they in theory the same Entity?
By that time the mogol war machine was no longer mongol but other ethnicities. The strong mongol horsemen are gone and unit cohesion are absent. Just like yuan dynasty watered down to han Chinese peasants soldiers
Always thought Berke was batu’s successor but makes sense if batu had his own son and was an adult 😅
Yall aren't going to be too happy to learn about the "Golden Horde" AI/ML Swarm being worked on at AFRL...
Who whas mengu Timur?
You wasteman! Berke Khan passed away but Hungau died! Okay?!
wow that's was very cool this history i love that everthing longer years ago battlefield like huh very very interesting mm i love that and i love your explain this history how evolution this people yup
anyway cheer brother father 🥂.
That map is fake! It wasn’t that big!
A lot of sudden deaths 😂
They were Kipchak Tatar's. Get your research straight
Only Muslim empire in russia
population of golden horde is christian
hello to the golden horde from chagatai khanate 🫡