As a Roman, born here and lived here all my life, I can only dream of this. And it would still be insufficient. Doubt it will ever happen. Certainly not by 2050 or in my lifetime.
I hear that and I get it, but it sounds like a better strategy would just be to dig the newer tunnels deeper so they aren't encountering archeological sites.@@sdt1225
@3:25 the Roma Lido railway has been there since 1924 and despite being officially a separate railway it has been built with the same characteristics of the future E42 railway (line B) (same platform height, loading gauge, track gauge and electrification). In fact when the metro opened in 1955 the Rome lido started using the same rolling stock of Termini-EUR Metro and until 1990 there was a direct service between Termini and Cristoforo Colombo run through Line B until Piramide/Porta San Paolo Station and going on the Rome Lido Line (which was parallel to Line B between Piramide and EUR Magliana, and consisting in a express service not stopping at adjacent B Line stations of Garbatella and Marconi). The service was widthrawn in 1990 because of the North extension and because termini did not have a third track to accommodate Roma Lido trains terminating at Termini. Of course they could yet let Roma lido trains go through Line B all the way to Jonio or Rebibbia right now but they decided not to for reasons, deciding instead of simply changing name of Roma Lido railway in the future and simply adding it to Rome metro lines In conclusion, basically the Roma Lido railway has always been a precursor of Rome metro lines and de facto has always been one
True. We must also say that while the *A, B, B1, C* subway lines are under the *City of Rome* administrative control, the Roma-Lido and the Roma-Nord are under the *Lazio Region* administrative control. This has led to a situation where the latter two lines were not officially renamed to fit the alphabetical denomination they were planned to have long ago: for the Roma-Lido it was supposed to be the *E* line and for the Roma-Nord the *F* line. What the Region did was to change the Rome-Lido name into *Metromare* about a year and a half ago, but eventually both lines (as shown in this video) will be part of the following network: *LINEA A* - *Linea A1* *LINEA B* - *Linea B1* *LINEA C* - *Linea C1* - *Linea C2* *LINEA D* - *Linea D1* *LINEA E* - *Linea E1* *LINEA F* *LINEA G*
Roma Lido railway is connected with many Metro Line-B stations (Piramide and Basilica di S. Paolo and Eur Magliana) and the type of trains and the tickets are the same. So it's obvious why Rome wants to change the name to Line-E. The only difference is Metros are roman services and Roma Lido railway is a Lazio region service.
I'm stunned about these huge ideas/plans to grow the network this much. Recently my home town Düsseldorf revealed an analysis for new lines and this gives me much hope that our network is growing strong as well. :) I know, you only did Metro systems so far but I'd love to see some vids on light rail/tram networks like in my home town, as they can be quite complex as well
The problem in Rome is not the slowness of the work, but the artistic finds found underneath. As I live in Rome, every time an excavation is carried out (for water pipes, fiber optics, etc.), there is an employee of the Superintendency of Fine Arts who, if he finds a find, stops the work. Now imagine digging under imperial Rome: every time a find is found (firehouses of Augustus, villas, etc.), the drill must stop and, sometimes, go around the find. This involves modifying the project. In fact, in Rome, there are three metro stations that have been transformed into museums.
I am from Rome and I really hope that the realization times will come true. San Giovanni station on line C was inaugurated 5 years late, and the project of line D has been stopped since 2007. The Roma Lido and Roma Nord railways are the worst in Italy, often trains break down and you wait even half an hour.
Basterebbe (chiaramente non è un impresa da poco a prescindere, senza contare il fare le cose "all'italiana" tra ammiocugginate, ritardi e mazzette varie) come da anni sostengo che si facesse un raccordo ferroviario simile al GRA composto da metropolitane che andasse a coniugare metro A e metro B, connettendo Anagnina con Laurentina (pezzo più trafficato del GRA in assoluto), poi Laurentina con Battistini (zona meno soggetta a traffico ma comunque composta da zone importanti come Boccea), poi Battistini con Rebibbia (altra zona parecchio ingombrata di auto specie le zone di Cassia e Flaminia) e chiudendo il giro nuovamente con Anagnina, passando vicino o parallelamente alla Togliatti magari ed intersecando la Metro C a Mirti o più fuori magari verso Torrenova. Si svuoterebbe mezzo raccordo nei punti più intasati ed eviterebbe a TANTISSIMA gente di dover essere forzata a passare per la stazione Termini volenti o nolenti, snellendo parecchio anche il traffico di persone interno a quest'ultima, che ricordiamo essere la stazione ferroviaria più grande d'europa, in cui i pendolari romani (tra cui anche il sottoscritto) sono solo di impiccio ai viaggiatori di Trenitalia. Da ignorante del settore ad istinto mi viene tuttavia intuitivo pensare che agire così perifericamente, anche con metro di superficie o sopraelevate (vedi il Minimetrò a Perugia, grande opera ingegneristica ed estremamente funzionale nonché dal basso costo manutentivo) andrebbe ad impattare pochissimo sulle tempistiche in quanto gli eventuali ritrovamenti archeologici dovuti agli scavi sarebbero estrememamente più limitati, specie rispetto alla nascente stazione a piazza Venezia. Con un intervento massivo del genere la città scorrerebbe una favola, si parcheggerebbe molto di più e via discorrendo. Non è un'ipotesi piccola, ma chi fa il pendolare a Roma, auto o mezzi pubblici che siano e specie chi viene da fuori sa benissimo com'è la situazione al momento attuale.
teoricamente devono ancora finire l'anello ferroviario che sarebbe già una svolta, poi sarebbe utile anche quello più esterno che hai citato tu, ma la vedo dura
@@valeriorozzo9546anche allungare verso i castelli sarebbe cosa buona e giusta, e non sarebbe nemmeno troppo fantascientifico fare una linea di superficie dall’Eur fin giù a Pomezia o perfino Aprilia…molti l’auto la lascerebbero volentieri a casa in questo modo e non avremmo più colli di bottiglia nel quadrante sud est
Great video, as usual! Some of the final branches are currently in the Eternal City urban mobility plan, but they are not likely to be financed in the next decades. Let's hope I'm very wrong and fingers crossed to soon see all of them!
Another surprisingly small metro system for a major city, but understandable considering the amount of Roman stuff one can dig up just randomly anywhere in, well, Rome. btw, where’s Vatican in all this? Might be a good idea to mark the basilica since I know people will ask this too
I wonder if archaeological remains actually affected the expansion of the metro! I had completely forgotten about Vatican City. It would have been nice if the border was shown. 0:30 Ottaviano is the closest station to the entrance of Vatican City btw!
Yes, the archeological stuff heavily affects the metro expansion. The C line is being excavated below the Roman era ground, so like -35/40meters below the current level. Venezia station which is starting now is going to be up to 80 meters below ground level.@@MetroLiner
The stop "San Giovanni" of line C has a poor connection with line A and it had a troubled construction process since they found a roman house, an old necropolis and other archeological artifacts. The Station "colosseo" of line C is very close to the "Fori Imperiali" and to the actual colosseum, the construction process started like 10 years ago, and workers are literally playing jenga, they have to manage building under 2000+ old unstable structures while at the same time avoiding other undergrounds findings
Ok now i saw the future plans, they are actually kind of appalling even considering the issues I mentioned. Almost all future plans are about converting existing suburban lines that run on surface, yet the timeline is still quite slow. Sorry for my slight arrogance here, you actually were right to say it is not a good system
And very few of them are realistically happening in the next 100 years. We can only hope that Metro C extends deeper into the city center and that maybe, just maybe, they can turn the clunky train towards Ostia into an extension of Metro B for efficiency's sake
I like how many plans Rome has to expand its metro, I think it should build a cross-city tunnel from Piramide to Flamino to save time and make lines E & F into one line.
The problems is that in fact line E and F are two totally different railways built in 30s, they uses pretty different standards, and the terminal station in Flaminio it's bad placed for just make an extension
I live in Rome and I can assure you that public transportats here are the most inefficient you Will ever see in any western capital city whatsoever. Stations with no staff, rude personnel, very old and poorly cleaned infrastructures, buses and trains, few ticket controls... shall I go on? It is well known that the Roman underground soil has lots of ruins, caves and lakes and it's not easy to design and bore tunnels this way. But bureucracy and corruption dominate here, so It Is virtually impossible to improve
The works have always gone very slowly due to the continuous archaeological discoveries; lastly a plaque indicating the place where Julius Caesar was killed. In Florence, to avoid this, they decided to build a surface tramway to avoid digging, especially after what happened in the 1980s when, while digging in Piazza della Signoria to redo the paving, they found the remains of the Roman city and the works lasted years instead of few weeks
the reason why Rome has an undersized subway and why every time they dig they find remains of Roman ruins Or they endanger buildings that are hundreds or thousands of years old It cannot be compared to cities built entirely from scratch in the last 100 years
What many commentators not think about that Rome is very old. Every Meter you dig you find artifacts which needs to be documented and excavated. This takes very long time and is very expensive.
Project which involves a large extension outside the historic center, the urban network typical of the metro is missing. However, if half of what was planned was done it would already be a lot for Rome.
The real problem with the progress of Rome's metro lines is that despite being a capital, it does not have a special statute, Rome is financed in the same way as any other Italian municipality with more than 15,000 inhabitants. Its budget is just 5 billion, for example Madrid has one of 80 billion. This means that such infrastructures can only be made with central government funding and although Milan is 1/6 in size and has 1/2 the population, it receives much more. The last one just a year ago, the funds to close the railway ring, a fundamental work to manage the commuter flow, which had been planned by the previous government for this year, were then diverted by the current government to cover the greater costs of Milan's metro line 4. There is a desire to give Rome a special statute on the part of a political party, however the one that has more consensus is stronger in the North and would demand the same treatment for the cities of Milan, Turin and Venice even though they are not capitals. Diverting a large part of the taxes of the Roman citizens to the taxation of their city may be manageable, but doing it for the 4 most productive cities in Italy would become unmanageable and therefore it is never done.
what’s crazy is that in 2024, our metro system has only got worse, old trains, constant breakdowns, cancelled trains and busses that are very questionable. There is no Train from Ostia to the Airport and this forces us to take the bus, a bus that gets stuck constantly on the bridge to Fiumicino. I hope to see Rome conncected better
hello ! thank you for this amazing animation , could you please tell us tool (softwares) you used to make the network lines and the animation please , thank you
Very good to see they've got plenty of plans for the future. Means they can actually make the discussions more about what section to fund first instead of doing the whole planning process from scratch after building a few stations at a time. That said, so much potential for extending some lines even more to create an even better future network. Connect the two C-branches that are aiming towards eachother and you've got a ring line :) Extend the E to where the F ends, via a C and a D station. Connect the western branches of the B & D via a new core route that has interchanges with the B&F, the C, the A. or do the lines use incompatible gauges etc?
Someone proposed extending Line E through the city center up to Flaminio, but it's not part of the official city plan. An issue with that is that the urban railways that are to become lines E and F are owned by the regional government and not the city government.
As other said, they are incompatible. While E uses basically the same infrastructure as B (and A), F uses completely different trains. About a ring line: here are shown only the subways. There are also some train lines running through the city, and a ring line is actually proposed
Perhaps Rome does need more metro lines and extension as Rome itself is still expanding. Is there a line that goes right underneath the Vatican City or do most of Rome’s metro lines avoid the Vatican City and have stations near or close by to the Vatican City. Because it got me thinking about how would you get to the Vatican City on Rome’s metro system. Or walk from the nearest station to the Vatican City.
Currently, *Line A* has the *Ottaviano* station as the closest to Vatican City. With *Line C,* in a few years, there will be the *San Pietro* station right at the beginning of _Via della Conciliazione_ (the large boulevard leading to St. Peter's Square).
Mi viene da piangere se penso che ci vorrà tutto questo tempo 😭. Il sindaco e quelli futuri non capiscono che per gli abitanti andare al lavoro è impossibile prendere i mezzi di trasporto in questo modo. Oggi ci vogliono 2 ore ad andare e 2 ore a tornare. È scollegata da una parte all'altra. 😢
Even with all the future expansion the metro would still only be inside the "Rome Municipality" that is enormous don't ask why and includes a lot of empty Land and distant sparse towns, from Rome to Ostia (the Port) there is a 45 minutes drive of which like 25 is open fields and woods. Around half of the city is not inhabited and the actual city is much smaller
Rome is huge and like the comment above said all the metro lines in the video would be within Rome's municipality except for line C Pantano station and Fiumicino
When I see New Yorkers complaining about their subway, I'd like to show them THIS. While they have subway connection to almost every part of the city, in Rome there are entire areas that are impossible to get to, unless you wanted to use the bus (whose timetables are utter shit).
Quello che mi colpisce è la lentezza nella costruzione della rete della Metro, sia per un discorso di progettualità, sia per un discorso di fondi statali destinati a quest'opera. Roma non è New York, territorialmente occupa uno spazio del tutto inferiore a Londra, Parigi, New York etc... ma è una questione di alleggerire il centro città dal traffico, dall'inquinamento e dal caos. In questa possibile ricostruzione del futuro mi colpisce vedere quanto non sia stato fatto nel passato e quanto non sarà fatto nel futuro... possibile che le 3 linee ferroviarie dei Castelli Romani (Frascati, Albano e Velletri) non siano destinate al più presto a diventare Metro? Con la mole di persone che spostano quotidianamente?
Wow, so many proposed extensions... Looks like they have well planed final state - which is very important when planning and designing rail transit. (But someone from Rome please confirm me, whether it is really well planned in Rome, or it's like some extension here, some branch there)
It's a bit complicated. Right now, the only things under construction are the stations of the C line Porta Metronia, Colosseo and Venezia (the construction of the last one stared a bit over a month ago, and will need 10 years to complete). They also started to get ready for the stations up to Clodio, they received the funding this year and -hopefully- start the construction work by 2025, more or less. Lastly, Venezia, which should become in the future the interchange between line C and D will be constructed in a way to prepare for the future. That's basically it. What you are seeing here is actually what's 'planned' as just future development of the city. This plan (called PUMS) was realized few years ago, not without complaints. The expansion after Rebibbia (B line) is one of the oldest proposed, but as far as I'm aware, no real plans exists. Other expansion of this line are even less talked about. About line A the proposed expansions were the ones that received the majority of complaints, mainly because they do not reach the GRA (the big circular-ish highway that surrounds the City, you can see it on the map at the start) About Line E and F, someone already commented about them, they already exists, but as separate train lines. Line E is basically already almost a Metro, while line F should be completely renewed. Both are basically all overground. Lastly, line D. There's no preexisting infrastructure and again, as far as I'm aware, no actual plan exist, nor funding placed or anything. In my opinion it will be the last to be constructed, if ever. Wich is also a shame, as it serves (theoretically) a lot of parts of Rome that are now poorly connected. To sum up, besides the next 5/7 stations on the C line (green one) from San Giovanni, everything else is -sadly- just a colored line on a map. Sorry for the wall of text, hope it answers your question
C'è un errore sul nome delle stazioni della linea B ex ferrovia e42 prima del 1991 la stazione Eur Palasport si chiamava eur Marconi mentre EUR Magliana veniva chiamata Magliana Nel 1955 le due fermate dell'EUR Palasport e Fermi si chiamavano esposizione Est e esposizione a ovest
the lines E and F are already existing, but they operate under other company, the plans is to merge them to the many subway system and call them E and F
I’m wondering why Rome is having such an embarrassing Metro network comparing to other European metropolitans such as London Paris Barcelona Frankfurt Berlin etc. It only covers about 30% of the city
Because as soon as you start digging in rome, you find some stuff from the roman empire era, and i’m not talking about small stuff, the recently found a whole military base while digging to uild a c-line station. I mean, it is anything but easy to build something in the roman underground
Ils ne sont pas au bout de leurs problèmes d'exploitation du réseau s'ils persistent dans leur idée de multiplier les branches sur chacune des lignes. Ca va rapidement devenir ingérable. Il faut tout revoir et créer des lignes à un tronçon unique.
La costruzione e lo sviluppo della rete metropitana di Roma è dovuto principalmente al fatto che se fai un buco in terra nella maggior parte dei casi trovi un reperto archeologico, anche extra moenia. Per fare un paragone, Napoli che ha comunque molti reperti archeologici, ma meno di Roma, ha potuto avere una rete più estesa grazie alle finicolari, alcune di superficie, altre sotterranee, se controllaste su una cartina della città con riportati i tracciati vi sorprenderebbe, le alture collinari hanno favorito questa scelta nel passato.
Can you please make a video about all of torontos transit exept for the busus they not i mean go trains up express subway lrt brt streetcar that would be so cool Sorry for the bad english in this text 😅😊
@@pieterwatson611 DFW is Dallas-Fort Worth. A loathsome concrete jungle in Northern Texas that has a complex, patchwork transit system that's kind of interesting.
Please do manlia metro rail transit system ther lot of plans and some of them is now under construction like MRT-7 Metro Manlia Subway and also LRT-1 Cavite extension
I hope all this happens. I just spent two weeks there and was baffled by such a big city having such pathetic public transit and allowing cars to jam up every flat or semi-flat surface without any consequence (why are they even allowed in the narrow streets of the Trastevere neighborhood, for example?). For all the cool things that Rome has to offer, it's the most unpleasant European city I've visited to date, thanks almost entirely to its totally insane car culture (I put it up there with Houston, Texas when it comes to being pro-car & anti-pedestrian) and iffy transit. And when you see how much deference is given to cars, it's no shock that its public transit is so spotty and haphazard. Thanks for the video. I'm finding very little information online about Rome and its public transit. Why is it so bad? How much effort is going in to making it better? Are there any Roman urbanists? I saw a handful of bike lanes, a few of which were even protected and potentially useful. But while I saw a lot of cyclists throughout the city, there seemed to be nothing approaching a network of paths/trails/lanes for them to use. Heck, one "shared" bike/pedestrian sidewalk had a part too narrow to cycle on, and ended in a staircase. So...that's not great.
I really like MetroLiner's videos. But, I could not watch the old videos since they have too little information. Anybody agreeing they can't watch the old videos?
As a Roman, born here and lived here all my life, I can only dream of this. And it would still be insufficient. Doubt it will ever happen. Certainly not by 2050 or in my lifetime.
Not even in the lifetime of our grand-grandchildren! [I'm also from Rome.]
Totally agreed with you!
Aooooooo
Maybe 2050 After an Alien Invasion
Probabilmente ci si arriverà nel 25 secolo, quando le metropolitane non avranno più senso di esistere 😁(sono di Roma pure io)
For the nations capital, Rome’s metro is expanding pretty slowly. Reminds me of the pace NY is expanding its subway now. Great video btw!
Thanks!
Did you compared it with Italy's largest system, the Milan Metro?
The reason why the metro in Rome is expanding so slowly is because of archeological remains found under the 2000-year-old city.
I hear that and I get it, but it sounds like a better strategy would just be to dig the newer tunnels deeper so they aren't encountering archeological sites.@@sdt1225
@@igorsiuda8108 Milan Is irrelevant
@3:25 the Roma Lido railway has been there since 1924 and despite being officially a separate railway it has been built with the same characteristics of the future E42 railway (line B) (same platform height, loading gauge, track gauge and electrification). In fact when the metro opened in 1955 the Rome lido started using the same rolling stock of Termini-EUR Metro and until 1990 there was a direct service between Termini and Cristoforo Colombo run through Line B until Piramide/Porta San Paolo Station and going on the Rome Lido Line (which was parallel to Line B between Piramide and EUR Magliana, and consisting in a express service not stopping at adjacent B Line stations of Garbatella and Marconi). The service was widthrawn in 1990 because of the North extension and because termini did not have a third track to accommodate Roma Lido trains terminating at Termini. Of course they could yet let Roma lido trains go through Line B all the way to Jonio or Rebibbia right now but they decided not to for reasons, deciding instead of simply changing name of Roma Lido railway in the future and simply adding it to Rome metro lines
In conclusion, basically the Roma Lido railway has always been a precursor of Rome metro lines and de facto has always been one
True. We must also say that while the *A, B, B1, C* subway lines are under the *City of Rome* administrative control, the Roma-Lido and the Roma-Nord are under the *Lazio Region* administrative control. This has led to a situation where the latter two lines were not officially renamed to fit the alphabetical denomination they were planned to have long ago: for the Roma-Lido it was supposed to be the *E* line and for the Roma-Nord the *F* line.
What the Region did was to change the Rome-Lido name into *Metromare* about a year and a half ago, but eventually both lines (as shown in this video) will be part of the following network:
*LINEA A*
- *Linea A1*
*LINEA B*
- *Linea B1*
*LINEA C*
- *Linea C1*
- *Linea C2*
*LINEA D*
- *Linea D1*
*LINEA E*
- *Linea E1*
*LINEA F*
*LINEA G*
@@marklanders6833 yes but they proposed to use them as metropolitan train sytem in rome 2 or 3 years ago in future
I collegamenti Romani Lido termini si sono fatti fino al 1987
@@soficrece6401 Yes. And there's no reason not to connect the METROMARE to the B1 LINE and turn it into the E LINE.
Roma Lido railway is connected with many Metro Line-B stations (Piramide and Basilica di S. Paolo and Eur Magliana) and the type of trains and the tickets are the same. So it's obvious why Rome wants to change the name to Line-E. The only difference is Metros are roman services and Roma Lido railway is a Lazio region service.
I'm stunned about these huge ideas/plans to grow the network this much. Recently my home town Düsseldorf revealed an analysis for new lines and this gives me much hope that our network is growing strong as well. :)
I know, you only did Metro systems so far but I'd love to see some vids on light rail/tram networks like in my home town, as they can be quite complex as well
The problem in Rome is not the slowness of the work, but the artistic finds found underneath.
As I live in Rome, every time an excavation is carried out (for water pipes, fiber optics, etc.), there is an employee of the Superintendency of Fine Arts who, if he finds a find, stops the work.
Now imagine digging under imperial Rome: every time a find is found (firehouses of Augustus, villas, etc.), the drill must stop and, sometimes, go around the find. This involves modifying the project.
In fact, in Rome, there are three metro stations that have been transformed into museums.
@@MassimoErcolani a similar thing happened for Line 1 of Naples Metro (the Museo station, iirc) and Athens Metro
this video is all fake, we take 30 years too make 1 singular metro line, let alone all of those in 20
@@R0manSk8er No it's not fake. It's part of the official plan that Rome has to complete: the PUMS.
I am from Rome and I really hope that the realization times will come true. San Giovanni station on line C was inaugurated 5 years late, and the project of line D has been stopped since 2007. The Roma Lido and Roma Nord railways are the worst in Italy, often trains break down and you wait even half an hour.
Basterebbe (chiaramente non è un impresa da poco a prescindere, senza contare il fare le cose "all'italiana" tra ammiocugginate, ritardi e mazzette varie) come da anni sostengo che si facesse un raccordo ferroviario simile al GRA composto da metropolitane che andasse a coniugare metro A e metro B, connettendo Anagnina con Laurentina (pezzo più trafficato del GRA in assoluto), poi Laurentina con Battistini (zona meno soggetta a traffico ma comunque composta da zone importanti come Boccea), poi Battistini con Rebibbia (altra zona parecchio ingombrata di auto specie le zone di Cassia e Flaminia) e chiudendo il giro nuovamente con Anagnina, passando vicino o parallelamente alla Togliatti magari ed intersecando la Metro C a Mirti o più fuori magari verso Torrenova. Si svuoterebbe mezzo raccordo nei punti più intasati ed eviterebbe a TANTISSIMA gente di dover essere forzata a passare per la stazione Termini volenti o nolenti, snellendo parecchio anche il traffico di persone interno a quest'ultima, che ricordiamo essere la stazione ferroviaria più grande d'europa, in cui i pendolari romani (tra cui anche il sottoscritto) sono solo di impiccio ai viaggiatori di Trenitalia. Da ignorante del settore ad istinto mi viene tuttavia intuitivo pensare che agire così perifericamente, anche con metro di superficie o sopraelevate (vedi il Minimetrò a Perugia, grande opera ingegneristica ed estremamente funzionale nonché dal basso costo manutentivo) andrebbe ad impattare pochissimo sulle tempistiche in quanto gli eventuali ritrovamenti archeologici dovuti agli scavi sarebbero estrememamente più limitati, specie rispetto alla nascente stazione a piazza Venezia. Con un intervento massivo del genere la città scorrerebbe una favola, si parcheggerebbe molto di più e via discorrendo. Non è un'ipotesi piccola, ma chi fa il pendolare a Roma, auto o mezzi pubblici che siano e specie chi viene da fuori sa benissimo com'è la situazione al momento attuale.
teoricamente devono ancora finire l'anello ferroviario che sarebbe già una svolta, poi sarebbe utile anche quello più esterno che hai citato tu, ma la vedo dura
In pratica:
Fate un giro ROTONDO sotto al GRA
E fate 6-8 "raggi" come quelli di una ruota e siete apposto.
Peccato che il cervello lo usano in pochi
@@valeriorozzo9546anche allungare verso i castelli sarebbe cosa buona e giusta, e non sarebbe nemmeno troppo fantascientifico fare una linea di superficie dall’Eur fin giù a Pomezia o perfino Aprilia…molti l’auto la lascerebbero volentieri a casa in questo modo e non avremmo più colli di bottiglia nel quadrante sud est
La metropolitana di Roma, così come Napoli è nata dalla MM, metropolitana di Milano
Great video, as usual! Some of the final branches are currently in the Eternal City urban mobility plan, but they are not likely to be financed in the next decades. Let's hope I'm very wrong and fingers crossed to soon see all of them!
Another surprisingly small metro system for a major city, but understandable considering the amount of Roman stuff one can dig up just randomly anywhere in, well, Rome.
btw, where’s Vatican in all this? Might be a good idea to mark the basilica since I know people will ask this too
I wonder if archaeological remains actually affected the expansion of the metro!
I had completely forgotten about Vatican City. It would have been nice if the border was shown.
0:30 Ottaviano is the closest station to the entrance of Vatican City btw!
Yes, the archeological stuff heavily affects the metro expansion. The C line is being excavated below the Roman era ground, so like -35/40meters below the current level. Venezia station which is starting now is going to be up to 80 meters below ground level.@@MetroLiner
Even the planned S. Pietro station will be farther from the Vatican than Ottaviano from what I can see
The stop "San Giovanni" of line C has a poor connection with line A and it had a troubled construction process since they found a roman house, an old necropolis and other archeological artifacts.
The Station "colosseo" of line C is very close to the "Fori Imperiali" and to the actual colosseum, the construction process started like 10 years ago, and workers are literally playing jenga, they have to manage building under 2000+ old unstable structures while at the same time avoiding other undergrounds findings
Athens managed to build a proper metro too tho
I'd love to see Athens' metro evolution. If one takes into consideration the plans they have for the future, there's quite a bit of stuff to animate.
Well-done. Astounding to me that Rome has such a poor metro system in 2023. Hopefully these projects come to fruition!
Thank you!
You might imagine it is kind of hard to dig tunnels in Rome due to obvious archeological reasons
Ok now i saw the future plans, they are actually kind of appalling even considering the issues I mentioned. Almost all future plans are about converting existing suburban lines that run on surface, yet the timeline is still quite slow. Sorry for my slight arrogance here, you actually were right to say it is not a good system
@fresagrus4490 you’re not wrong though, line C is taking forever because they keep digging up new artifacts
youre prolly not gonna see those proposed lines till at least 2100 if the metro is moving at this pace@@fresagrus4490
Like what all subway lines lead to Rome!
Beat me to it. 😂
Lo sviluppo di questa metro a Roma è pura fantascienza😂😂😂😂😂
Amazing channel! Definitely subscribing ❤
The last ten years saw the Rome Metro doubling in metro length. Hopefully it might be faster in the future.
Damn, Rome's planned expansions seem a lot more impressive than the actual system.
The system is bigger than show here. Lines E and F are already running.
And very few of them are realistically happening in the next 100 years. We can only hope that Metro C extends deeper into the city center and that maybe, just maybe, they can turn the clunky train towards Ostia into an extension of Metro B for efficiency's sake
I like how many plans Rome has to expand its metro, I think it should build a cross-city tunnel from Piramide to Flamino to save time and make lines E & F into one line.
The problems is that in fact line E and F are two totally different railways built in 30s, they uses pretty different standards, and the terminal station in Flaminio it's bad placed for just make an extension
Anche io vorrei la Viterbo Lido
2050? Man, I think you projected the metro lines of rome so far in the future that himanity has already becomeed a new species by that time
I live in Rome and I can assure you that public transportats here are the most inefficient you Will ever see in any western capital city whatsoever. Stations with no staff, rude personnel, very old and poorly cleaned infrastructures, buses and trains, few ticket controls... shall I go on? It is well known that the Roman underground soil has lots of ruins, caves and lakes and it's not easy to design and bore tunnels this way. But bureucracy and corruption dominate here, so It Is virtually impossible to improve
The works have always gone very slowly due to the continuous archaeological discoveries; lastly a plaque indicating the place where Julius Caesar was killed. In Florence, to avoid this, they decided to build a surface tramway to avoid digging, especially after what happened in the 1980s when, while digging in Piazza della Signoria to redo the paving, they found the remains of the Roman city and the works lasted years instead of few weeks
the reason why Rome has an undersized subway and why every time they dig
they find remains of Roman ruins
Or they endanger buildings that are hundreds or thousands of years old
It cannot be compared to cities built entirely from scratch in the last 100 years
This video was great!!! Also, you should make a video for the Athens metro
What many commentators not think about that Rome is very old. Every Meter you dig you find artifacts which needs to be documented and excavated. This takes very long time and is very expensive.
But maintenance is another matter.
Yes! And it is sad because certain artifacts are lost because they are “not as important “ as others. 😢
In fact metro C is getting built 80 meters underground so its a total mess Building stations
Project which involves a large extension outside the historic center, the urban network typical of the metro is missing. However, if half of what was planned was done it would already be a lot for Rome.
Good to see that the legend himself has returned
Ah yes, who would have guessed that building ancient rome below new rome would affect the expansion of the metro system
Line A is currently under construction, an extension to Montespaccato with 2 new stations.
The real problem with the progress of Rome's metro lines is that despite being a capital, it does not have a special statute, Rome is financed in the same way as any other Italian municipality with more than 15,000 inhabitants. Its budget is just 5 billion, for example Madrid has one of 80 billion. This means that such infrastructures can only be made with central government funding and although Milan is 1/6 in size and has 1/2 the population, it receives much more. The last one just a year ago, the funds to close the railway ring, a fundamental work to manage the commuter flow, which had been planned by the previous government for this year, were then diverted by the current government to cover the greater costs of Milan's metro line 4.
There is a desire to give Rome a special statute on the part of a political party, however the one that has more consensus is stronger in the North and would demand the same treatment for the cities of Milan, Turin and Venice even though they are not capitals. Diverting a large part of the taxes of the Roman citizens to the taxation of their city may be manageable, but doing it for the 4 most productive cities in Italy would become unmanageable and therefore it is never done.
what’s crazy is that in 2024, our metro system has only got worse, old trains, constant breakdowns, cancelled trains and busses that are very questionable. There is no Train from Ostia to the Airport and this forces us to take the bus, a bus that gets stuck constantly on the bridge to Fiumicino. I hope to see Rome conncected better
How do you make your maps?
Complimenti, bel video; peccato che non vedrò realizzate tutti i vari prolungamenti e nuove linee.
What's the point of line D?
Although, C going up to Farnesina would be phenomenal! I study at foro italico
Devo essere sincero,quando ho visto la metro a Ramazzini e Largo la Loggia mi sono emozionato
hello ! thank you for this amazing animation , could you please tell us tool (softwares) you used to make the network lines and the animation please , thank you
Very good to see they've got plenty of plans for the future. Means they can actually make the discussions more about what section to fund first instead of doing the whole planning process from scratch after building a few stations at a time.
That said, so much potential for extending some lines even more to create an even better future network.
Connect the two C-branches that are aiming towards eachother and you've got a ring line :)
Extend the E to where the F ends, via a C and a D station.
Connect the western branches of the B & D via a new core route that has interchanges with the B&F, the C, the A.
or do the lines use incompatible gauges etc?
Someone proposed extending Line E through the city center up to Flaminio, but it's not part of the official city plan. An issue with that is that the urban railways that are to become lines E and F are owned by the regional government and not the city government.
As other said, they are incompatible. While E uses basically the same infrastructure as B (and A), F uses completely different trains.
About a ring line: here are shown only the subways. There are also some train lines running through the city, and a ring line is actually proposed
What kind of vector map did you used and how you drawing this lines? Adobe? great work!
Buenos Aires has amazing extentions planned. Do it next!!!
Perhaps Rome does need more metro lines and extension as Rome itself is still expanding. Is there a line that goes right underneath the Vatican City or do most of Rome’s metro lines avoid the Vatican City and have stations near or close by to the Vatican City.
Because it got me thinking about how would you get to the Vatican City on Rome’s metro system. Or walk from the nearest station to the Vatican City.
Currently, *Line A* has the *Ottaviano* station as the closest to Vatican City.
With *Line C,* in a few years, there will be the *San Pietro* station right at the beginning of _Via della Conciliazione_ (the large boulevard leading to St. Peter's Square).
Mi viene da piangere se penso che ci vorrà tutto questo tempo 😭.
Il sindaco e quelli futuri non capiscono che per gli abitanti andare al lavoro è impossibile prendere i mezzi di trasporto in questo modo. Oggi ci vogliono 2 ore ad andare e 2 ore a tornare. È scollegata da una parte all'altra. 😢
Excellent video
Would it be possible to include the city borders so we can see which cities are conntected to Rome?
Even with all the future expansion the metro would still only be inside the "Rome Municipality" that is enormous don't ask why and includes a lot of empty Land and distant sparse towns, from Rome to Ostia (the Port) there is a 45 minutes drive of which like 25 is open fields and woods. Around half of the city is not inhabited and the actual city is much smaller
Rome is huge and like the comment above said all the metro lines in the video would be within Rome's municipality except for line C Pantano station and Fiumicino
When I see New Yorkers complaining about their subway, I'd like to show them THIS. While they have subway connection to almost every part of the city, in Rome there are entire areas that are impossible to get to, unless you wanted to use the bus (whose timetables are utter shit).
I'm curious what maps you use to make this awesome video. What other program do you use??
I don't like that you stopped writing the number of the stations of the system. Great video as always apart from that
Ottimo video ora aspettiamo un' altro video sull evoluzione dei BORSEGGIATORI...💪👍
Very nice video! You should do Athens, Greece next, since it's one of the oldest Metros ;)
Quello che mi colpisce è la lentezza nella costruzione della rete della Metro, sia per un discorso di progettualità, sia per un discorso di fondi statali destinati a quest'opera.
Roma non è New York, territorialmente occupa uno spazio del tutto inferiore a Londra, Parigi, New York etc... ma è una questione di alleggerire il centro città dal traffico, dall'inquinamento e dal caos.
In questa possibile ricostruzione del futuro mi colpisce vedere quanto non sia stato fatto nel passato e quanto non sarà fatto nel futuro... possibile che le 3 linee ferroviarie dei Castelli Romani (Frascati, Albano e Velletri) non siano destinate al più presto a diventare Metro? Con la mole di persone che spostano quotidianamente?
Wow, so many proposed extensions... Looks like they have well planed final state - which is very important when planning and designing rail transit.
(But someone from Rome please confirm me, whether it is really well planned in Rome, or it's like some extension here, some branch there)
no it's not well planned at all. there are many problems with public transport in rome
@@eliseoisonline Well... sh*t 🙃
The only things well planned is the extension to Farnesina of Line C
It's a bit complicated.
Right now, the only things under construction are the stations of the C line Porta Metronia, Colosseo and Venezia (the construction of the last one stared a bit over a month ago, and will need 10 years to complete). They also started to get ready for the stations up to Clodio, they received the funding this year and -hopefully- start the construction work by 2025, more or less. Lastly, Venezia, which should become in the future the interchange between line C and D will be constructed in a way to prepare for the future.
That's basically it. What you are seeing here is actually what's 'planned' as just future development of the city. This plan (called PUMS) was realized few years ago, not without complaints.
The expansion after Rebibbia (B line) is one of the oldest proposed, but as far as I'm aware, no real plans exists. Other expansion of this line are even less talked about.
About line A the proposed expansions were the ones that received the majority of complaints, mainly because they do not reach the GRA (the big circular-ish highway that surrounds the City, you can see it on the map at the start)
About Line E and F, someone already commented about them, they already exists, but as separate train lines. Line E is basically already almost a Metro, while line F should be completely renewed. Both are basically all overground.
Lastly, line D. There's no preexisting infrastructure and again, as far as I'm aware, no actual plan exist, nor funding placed or anything. In my opinion it will be the last to be constructed, if ever. Wich is also a shame, as it serves (theoretically) a lot of parts of Rome that are now poorly connected.
To sum up, besides the next 5/7 stations on the C line (green one) from San Giovanni, everything else is -sadly- just a colored line on a map.
Sorry for the wall of text, hope it answers your question
C'è un errore sul nome delle stazioni della linea B ex ferrovia e42 prima del 1991 la stazione Eur Palasport si chiamava eur Marconi mentre EUR Magliana veniva chiamata Magliana
Nel 1955 le due fermate dell'EUR Palasport e Fermi si chiamavano esposizione Est e esposizione a ovest
You did the best as always!❤ Can you pleaso do the Budapest metro and HÉV system evolution?Ⓜ️Ⓜ️
ENG: I like the evolution of Italians Metros
ITA: Mi piace l'evoluzione delle metropolitane italiane
the "future" parts have been invented or have been annunced by atac?
用什么软件制作的，有教程不 ？
Could be worth including the number of stations in your videos!
Well-Done, What is the next city on your plan Metroliner?
@3:11 Roma Nord is the "creepy railway" made famous on youtube by Beno and DJ Hammers Trains
And this is why all metro tracks aren't going, as famous saying says, to Rome, but to Shanghai...
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the lines E and F are already existing, but they operate under other company, the plans is to merge them to the many subway system and call them E and F
im from rome and i see the metro venezia and colosseum are in the works but pretty much everything else will be made in the year 20never xD
Please do Munich Metro and Nuremberg Metro.
I'm Italian and I live in Rome: some information is wrong (at least, in the way it is written).
Please make an jakarta commuter line animation from 1991 to 2030 please
praticamente nel 2050 roma avrà una metropolitana di una città di provincia, fantastico
I’m wondering why Rome is having such an embarrassing Metro network comparing to other European metropolitans such as London Paris Barcelona Frankfurt Berlin etc. It only covers about 30% of the city
Because as soon as you start digging in rome, you find some stuff from the roman empire era, and i’m not talking about small stuff, the recently found a whole military base while digging to uild a c-line station. I mean, it is anything but easy to build something in the roman underground
@@aleGRC99 and sticazzi?
If you included the trolleys, and ESPECIALLY if you included Regional Rail, Philadelphia’s SEPTA would be a very interesting video.
Please do now warsaw metro plans
Just to make you know, like for Paris, Rome has like RER lines called FL from 1 to 8
Ils ne sont pas au bout de leurs problèmes d'exploitation du réseau s'ils persistent dans leur idée de multiplier les branches sur chacune des lignes. Ca va rapidement devenir ingérable. Il faut tout revoir et créer des lignes à un tronçon unique.
bello questo video di fantascienza
La costruzione e lo sviluppo della rete metropitana di Roma è dovuto principalmente al fatto che se fai un buco in terra nella maggior parte dei casi trovi un reperto archeologico, anche extra moenia. Per fare un paragone, Napoli che ha comunque molti reperti archeologici, ma meno di Roma, ha potuto avere una rete più estesa grazie alle finicolari, alcune di superficie, altre sotterranee, se controllaste su una cartina della città con riportati i tracciati vi sorprenderebbe, le alture collinari hanno favorito questa scelta nel passato.
Can you please make a video about all of torontos transit exept for the busus they not i mean go trains up express subway lrt brt streetcar that would be so cool
Sorry for the bad english in this text 😅😊
there is a typo, we will have all those new metro lines in 2150 (maybe) , not 2050
Can you do Evolution for Kuala Lumpur?
Please do metro manila LRT/MRT evolution
Great video, as always.
Would love to see the various light rail and commuter lines of DFW on one of these videos someday.
What it is "dwf" ?
@@pieterwatson611 DFW is Dallas-Fort Worth. A loathsome concrete jungle in Northern Texas that has a complex, patchwork transit system that's kind of interesting.
The Dublin metrolink?
As an inhabitant of Rome I can say that the future projects are just an utopia, it would even be a miracle if they finish Metro C
Can you do an issue about the metro in Budapest?
bello questo video sull'ottimismo
Great video! What are your sources?
please make future of milan metro!!
😂😂😂ha ha ha milan Is ugly village
servirebbe una linea circolare piu grande dell'anello regionale. magari si potrebbe chiamare GRAM: grande raccordo anulare metropolitano
Please do manlia metro rail transit system ther lot of plans and some of them is now under construction like MRT-7 Metro Manlia Subway and also LRT-1 Cavite extension
You should add stations counter
I hope all this happens. I just spent two weeks there and was baffled by such a big city having such pathetic public transit and allowing cars to jam up every flat or semi-flat surface without any consequence (why are they even allowed in the narrow streets of the Trastevere neighborhood, for example?). For all the cool things that Rome has to offer, it's the most unpleasant European city I've visited to date, thanks almost entirely to its totally insane car culture (I put it up there with Houston, Texas when it comes to being pro-car & anti-pedestrian) and iffy transit. And when you see how much deference is given to cars, it's no shock that its public transit is so spotty and haphazard.
Thanks for the video. I'm finding very little information online about Rome and its public transit. Why is it so bad? How much effort is going in to making it better? Are there any Roman urbanists? I saw a handful of bike lanes, a few of which were even protected and potentially useful. But while I saw a lot of cyclists throughout the city, there seemed to be nothing approaching a network of paths/trails/lanes for them to use. Heck, one "shared" bike/pedestrian sidewalk had a part too narrow to cycle on, and ended in a staircase. So...that's not great.
Can you do it with Milan?
Metro C forse finisce nel 2050...
No ragazzi basta cantieri, sono stanco. Vado a piedi
Why make so many branches?
Wouldn't it cause increased intervals on those branches?
Should you do Montreal or Shanghai?
Also, which software did you use? We're wondering about it.
Non sarà pronta prima dell’anno 3000
Basically the "future" section covers more than half of the video. Shame
great vid! please make one about the Kyiv metro next!
A full decade of construction for only 2 stations is really sad
This video shows Rome's metro wasn't built in a day.
Rome Metro 🇮🇹
Line A 1980
Line B 1955
Line C 2014
Line D 204?
Line E 204?
Line F 204?
Can you do Naples, Italy please 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
look forward to the future development❤❤
I really like MetroLiner's videos.
But, I could not watch the old videos since they have too little information.
Anybody agreeing they can't watch the old videos?
As a roman I can confirm this is utterly science fiction
Great video!!! Please make Athens Metro map!!❤️🙏🙏