I have worked in Instrumentation design, even with SIS and BCPS and never saw such easy way to explain what SIS is and how necessary has become to protect risky processes. Congratulations RealPars!. I look forward to see your next video. Thanks
Hey Melquíades! Glad that you found this video about SIS useful. We worked for more than a month on this video to make sure that it's easy to follow. Thanks for giving us your feedback.
@@lordjimdorato9801 Your plant is taking a big risk if that’s the case. Your safety instrumented system must be completely separate from your process control system.
I have to say, these videos are phenomenal. A lot of useful information packaged in a illustrative and easy-to-understand format. I'm greatful for this video.
RealPars you guys keep making industrial automation look simple. Thank you so much for this video. I wish youtube had a love reaction becus this deserves better.
Congratulations, Aditya!! We wish you all the best with your new job opportunity! Great to hear that RealPars was a part of your journey! Keep it up! :)
Thanks RealPars It's a very clear explanation of the Safety Instrumented System I hope there is also a lecture video on Custody Transfer / Metering System for liquids
More informations about SIL/SIS , a must watch video for all process industry new comers and professional operaions instruments personnel. Thank you REAL PEARS , subscribed to your channel.
Thank you so much for this explanation] Im working in oil & gas industry i have spacial requirement of providing field E-STOP signal through MCC is there separate interposing relay available(SIL3) or that should be provided in PLC panel that E-STOP should by pass all the logic and direct trip the pump which is located in zone IIB 3 hazards area the vessel is FPSO
Thanks for the great video! I don't really understand the necessity of a separate SIS though. Safety PLCs can do the process part in the standard program and the safety part in the safety program just fine, so why would we need two controllers?
The fault in your logic is that the logic solver (safety PLC) is only one part of the equation. Safety systems must be designed holistically: logic solver, sensors, final control elements, networks, etc. The international functional safety standard (ANSI/ISA/IEC 61511) requires the separation of the SIS system from the BPCS (Basic Process Control System). Use of safety PLC's is encouraged but placing these systems on the same networks and infrastructure as the BPCS reduces the reliability of the SIS system, typically by a value of 10x. The misnomer is that "Hey, I will just use a safety PLC and all is protected". This is not the case. A safety PLC does not make an instrument or solenoid more reliable. It makes the logic solver more reliable, but overall safety system reliability requires that the entire system be designed for a SIL level appropriate to the risk of the failure of the system.
This is very interesting discussion. In my industry, we do not have that concept of SIS so I’m really trying to understand it. You can use redondancy and/or safety rated equipment along with a safety PLC to achieve a very high level of reliability. Using this method, I easily get to SIL3 / PLe. So what more do you get with a separate SIS?
Which course/training can cover these syllabus? I am an electrical engineer and working in Saudi Arabia for one year. And want to switch into oil and gas companies. Please suggest me. Should I do PLC/SCADA?
Hi Shahzada. We do not currently have a course on safety instrumented systems. Our courses are about PLC programming. You can check the topics for the courses here: realpars.vhx.tv/browse
I wonder, when you say they must be completely separate, does this also apply in both directions? Or is it permittable that a SIL system have a optically protected output (optocoupler or a optical fiber with a diode in the SIL controller and a photodiode in the normal PLC), that goes to the normal control process logic, so the normal control process logic at least KNOWS the SIL have tripped.
According to ISA 84/IEC 61511, the systems should be separate, with separate instruments, I/O, and logic solvers (CPUs). So, the scenario you have described is not technically permitted. I have seen projects do this, but the optical splitter's reliability would need to be factored into the SIL calculation, and I would bet that use of such a device will knock the SIL rating down by a factor of 10 or 1 00. In most cases, the PCS will know the SIL system has tripped, since flows will stop, etc. It is permissible to have a DO sent to a PCS system as an alarm indication.
@@realpars What do you mean with "DO"? Why would the splitter's realibility need to be calculated into the SIL's system realibility rating? If the optical splitter fails (as in stops working), only that would happen is that the PCS no longer get to know that the SIL is tripped. And the important thing is that this shouldn't affect safety, ergo the normal system must also have its own sensors and probes as part of normal process. The idea is to take a complete SIL + PCS system that works totally separate in a safe way, and then put a one-direction signal from SIL to PCS to tell PCS that SIL is tripped so it can logcally stop its process. (to create a advantage that isn't safety critical - for example, easier restarting of the process - since the PCS then is "paused" at the correct moment, once the cause of the SIL trip has been found and resolved, and also easier find of the cause) Could aswell be a camera on the door to SIL cabinet (that films the SIL), that is connected to a image detection algoritm on the PCS that tells if the "Tripped" diode is lit or not. Or would such a camera arrangement not be techincally allowed either? What I have understand, the point of the separation is so nothing can affect the operation of the SIL (for example, if the PCS blows up due to a short or even if the PCS get a 300kV 3000 amp lightning strike in itself the SIL must continue working) However, its important that the optical splitter never can fail in such way it would affect the operation of the SIL system. For example, if the optical transmitter becomes a short, then the SIL output must be able to handle it (like optically protected in itself or current limited).
All of the signals that are required in the logic solver (your Pilz safety PLC) to implement the Safety Instrumented Function (SIF) should be brought in as logic solver I/O. Per ISA-84/IEC-61511, these inputs and outputs should be connected only to the logic solver.
what is the difference between SIS (instrumented safety system) and ESD emergency shutdown in the oil and gas industry and what are their respective standards 0:23
Thank you for your question. The difference between ESD and other SIS systems is that while the PCS covers normal operations and programmed procedures for process power on and shutdown, ESD systems only intervene when an emergency is detected that could lead to a hazardous situation. Here is a link for further review: www.sisfireandgas.com/system/4/emergency-shut-down-esd/#:~:text=Difference%20between%20ESD%20and%20other%20SIS%20systems&text=While%20the%20PCS%20will%20cover,lead%20to%20a%20hazardous%20situation. Happy learning!
The ESD system is actually a part of SIS and this system may include a number of independent process shutdown systems that can be actuated separately. Activation of the ESD system should result in the termination of all production activity on the platform, including the closing of all pipeline SDVs.
Hallo, great explanation on SIS. I have rececently started working with Pilz Programable Safety System and I just found a term on the Service Manual I wonder if you could clarify to me, it says something like this: When using test pulse outputs, If supply voltage is interrupted during test function, the test pulse output will be deemed to be defective... causing the PSS to switch to a stop ...Remedy: buffer the PSS supply voltage. What means here buffer the PSS? Thanks in advance!
why does a safety instrumented system need its own controller? and not just connect an additional sensor/valve connected to the process controller with a piece of software? I am asking because the PFD of a PLC is much lower than the PFD of a sensor/valve right?
Hi Remco, A safety instrumented system (SIS) needs its own controller because it must operate independently of the process control system to ensure safety. This separation provides redundancy and prevents a single failure from compromising both the process control and safety functions. While the process controller may have a lower probability of failure (PFD), the independence of the SIS controller ensures higher overall system reliability and safety, which is critical for managing and mitigating risks in hazardous processes. Happy learning!
Hi Bharathi, We surely do provide a Certificate of Completion. You can find all the information through the following link bit.ly/2LADnPY. If you have any questions, please let me know. Happy learning!
In this video you will learn what a safety instrument system is how it is constructed and how it plays an important role in keeping our chemical refining finding another manufacturing plants running safely and is productive Community Partners and employers before we get into today's video if you love our videos be sure to click the like button below and make sure to click subscribe and the bell to receive notifications of new real cars videos this way you never miss another one chemical petrochemical mining gas compression and many other types of plants and Manufacturing facilities to be very dangerous places to work due to the presence of risk risk due to fire explosion tank overflow gas release or chemical exposure the only way to eliminate these risks is to not build or operate these types of plants but that's not practical materials that are useful necessary and important in our everyday lives product like dry powdered laundry detergent is made via a process that includes pumping liquids at high pressure spring droplets in the very hot air and collecting the product below which may be Dusty and pose an inhalation hazard in order to minimize these risks process control systems are installed to maintain a safe operation of the plant assisted by a robust alarm detection and Reporting System and operated by trained qualified personnel measures alone cannot reduce the risk of injury fire explosion or other risks to a tolerable level a list of the types of risks the process design itself the basic process control system alarms and operator intervention provide the first layers of protection for the process players provides approximately a tenfold or greater protection to the process plant than the layer below as design care is taken to specify lines equipment and valves with the right sizes materials of construction and proper accessories pest control system is installed with the appropriate instruments controls and monitoring logic to allow the plant to be operated within the safest ranges for pressure temperature and flow rate are configured to allow The Operators to react to abnormal conditions and take corrective actions before arrest becomes an accident all of these layers of protection in place the risks may still be too great to prevent an accident from happening examples illustrate this for a nylon planned in flixborough England exploded killing 28 and injuring more than 1001984 a gas leak in a fertilizer plant in Bhopal India killed over 3000 and injured 200,000 in 2005 an explosion at a Texas City Refinery killed 15 and injured more than 150 his plans had Control Systems alarms and trained operators but these first three layers of protection do not reduce a hazardous plants risk to a tolerable level associated with production of flixborough we're not all well-defined and the proper controls were not in place to minimize those risks all systems were in place to prevent the resulting gas leak but did not take into account the scenario that led to the accident
Did you have a specific question? Your post is simply a transcript of the first four minutes of the video. Perhaps your question followed and was cut off due to the character limitations on comments.
I have worked in Instrumentation design, even with SIS and BCPS and never saw such easy way to explain what SIS is and how necessary has become to protect risky processes. Congratulations RealPars!. I look forward to see your next video. Thanks
Hey Melquíades! Glad that you found this video about SIS useful. We worked for more than a month on this video to make sure that it's easy to follow. Thanks for giving us your feedback.
I also worked for 23 years as electrical maintenance supervisor then become an engineering manager in a chemical manufacturing plant
I appreciate your design because in our plant the process control also act as safety instrument system .
Agree
@@lordjimdorato9801 Your plant is taking a big risk if that’s the case. Your safety instrumented system must be completely separate from your process control system.
as an I&C engineer happy to see a channel like this. appreciate all of your efforts and time guys. cheers
Thanks a lot for your support, Saif! Great to hear that.
The best short video to explain SIS, PFD, and SIL! 👍
Glad you think so!
I have to say, these videos are phenomenal. A lot of useful information packaged in a illustrative and easy-to-understand format. I'm greatful for this video.
Glad to hear that! Thank you very much for sharing
RealPars you guys keep making industrial automation look simple. Thank you so much for this video. I wish youtube had a love reaction becus this deserves better.
Our pleasure! We're very happy to hear that!
As a degree holder of instrumentation engineering, this video wouldve been very helpful when i was a student.
Keep the up the great work!! Cheers!
Glad that you found this video helpful. Cheers!
Thanks for a great, simple, detailed illustration and clarification.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Y'all are the best on the market indeed,your voice,your way to explain is just amazing
Wow, thank you!
Awesome video of explaining the aspect of safety every one should know in a process plant.!
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I watched these videos before interview. Got the job😎😎.
Congratulations, Aditya!! We wish you all the best with your new job opportunity!
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I’m doing that right now
I also do it right now! 😂
Very good illustration of making the concepts understandable in an easy way....
Great to hear that, Raja!
Thank you very much realpers for such a amazing videos and the efforts you are taking for automation community ❤
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It's a very clear explanation of the Safety Instrumented System
I hope there is also a lecture video on Custody Transfer / Metering System for liquids
Great suggestion! I will happily pass this on to our course developers. Thanks for your kind comment
Excellent VDU. Very clear, concise and easy to understand lecture. Well done!
Thanks a lot, Sushians!
Excellent Job, Thanks RealPars.
It's a very clear explanation of the Safety Instrumented System.
Glad it was helpful!
More informations about SIL/SIS , a must watch video for all process industry new comers and professional operaions instruments personnel. Thank you REAL PEARS , subscribed to your channel.
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thanks for good presentation especially for SIL level.
You're very welcome!
This video alone should mean I nail that SIS commissioning job interview.
Thnx for spreading knowledge in excellent videos.
God bless you!
You are very welcome! Happy learning.
Really very Nice Presentation / Crisp and Clear about Safety Instrumented System.
Thanks a lot, Harshil!
I think in line with this, can you also make a video regarding intrinsically safe system and hazardous area classifications? Thanks
Great suggestion! I will happily forward that to our course creators.
Thank you!
Excellently explained
Great to hear that, Kashif! Thanks for sharing.
Can you make a video to explain different between plc and safety plc. And safety instruments as: safety relay...
Hi there, I will pass this on to our creator team.
I was the 80th liker. Realpars is the 1st online controls University.
Let's see how many likes this video gets! :)
Please post more videos like this
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Excellent video, I really enjoyed it.
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Very important topic, very well explained here. Good job.
Thank you, Daniel!
Thanks realpars. Keep the good job. These videos helps me a .lot
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Very good explanation
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Wow, that tutorial video was brilliant. Well done!
Thanks for your kind comment, Robin! We're very happy to receive that.
Happy learning!
Thumbs up for the easy to understand video 👍
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Please make a video on automation forging plant
Userful video, easy to understand!
Great to hear! Thanks for sharing.
I love to see the new videos from RealPars channel because it is informative and make motivated to learn
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Well explained and very thorough video.
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Very interesting and useful!!!!
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Thank you so much for this amazaing explanation.
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Excelente explicacion del SIS, gracias
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Amazing video... ❤
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Thank you so much for this explanation]
Im working in oil & gas industry i have spacial requirement of providing field E-STOP signal through MCC is there separate interposing relay available(SIL3) or that should be provided in PLC panel that E-STOP should by pass all the logic and direct trip the pump which is located in zone IIB 3 hazards area the vessel is FPSO
e-stop is different to a safety trip for a pump.
Very good explanation.
Thanks a lot! Great to hear.
Thanks for the great video! I don't really understand the necessity of a separate SIS though. Safety PLCs can do the process part in the standard program and the safety part in the safety program just fine, so why would we need two controllers?
The fault in your logic is that the logic solver (safety PLC) is only one part of the equation. Safety systems must be designed holistically: logic solver, sensors, final control elements, networks, etc. The international functional safety standard (ANSI/ISA/IEC 61511) requires the separation of the SIS system from the BPCS (Basic Process Control System). Use of safety PLC's is encouraged but placing these systems on the same networks and infrastructure as the BPCS reduces the reliability of the SIS system, typically by a value of 10x. The misnomer is that "Hey, I will just use a safety PLC and all is protected". This is not the case. A safety PLC does not make an instrument or solenoid more reliable. It makes the logic solver more reliable, but overall safety system reliability requires that the entire system be designed for a SIL level appropriate to the risk of the failure of the system.
This is very interesting discussion. In my industry, we do not have that concept of SIS so I’m really trying to understand it.
You can use redondancy and/or safety rated equipment along with a safety PLC to achieve a very high level of reliability. Using this method, I easily get to SIL3 / PLe. So what more do you get with a separate SIS?
@@TheTotoditoto It is about adding an extra layer of protection to decreases any cause of accident
Thank you! Could you also make a video about intrinsec safety ? Keep up the good work ~
Hi Hua!
Thanks for your comment and your suggestion. I will pass this on to our course developers!
Thanks for sharing and happy learning!
Which course/training can cover these syllabus?
I am an electrical engineer and working in Saudi Arabia for one year. And want to switch into oil and gas companies. Please suggest me. Should I do PLC/SCADA?
Hi Shahzada. We do not currently have a course on safety instrumented systems. Our courses are about PLC programming. You can check the topics for the courses here: realpars.vhx.tv/browse
Great video! Hope to see more video from your channel.
Thank you for the positive feedback Hoang.
I wonder, when you say they must be completely separate, does this also apply in both directions? Or is it permittable that a SIL system have a optically protected output (optocoupler or a optical fiber with a diode in the SIL controller and a photodiode in the normal PLC), that goes to the normal control process logic, so the normal control process logic at least KNOWS the SIL have tripped.
According to ISA 84/IEC 61511, the systems should be separate, with separate instruments, I/O, and logic solvers (CPUs). So, the scenario you have described is not technically permitted. I have seen projects do this, but the optical splitter's reliability would need to be factored into the SIL calculation, and I would bet that use of such a device will knock the SIL rating down by a factor of 10 or 1 00. In most cases, the PCS will know the SIL system has tripped, since flows will stop, etc. It is permissible to have a DO sent to a PCS system as an alarm indication.
@@realpars What do you mean with "DO"? Why would the splitter's realibility need to be calculated into the SIL's system realibility rating? If the optical splitter fails (as in stops working), only that would happen is that the PCS no longer get to know that the SIL is tripped.
And the important thing is that this shouldn't affect safety, ergo the normal system must also have its own sensors and probes as part of normal process. The idea is to take a complete SIL + PCS system that works totally separate in a safe way, and then put a one-direction signal from SIL to PCS to tell PCS that SIL is tripped so it can logcally stop its process. (to create a advantage that isn't safety critical - for example, easier restarting of the process - since the PCS then is "paused" at the correct moment, once the cause of the SIL trip has been found and resolved, and also easier find of the cause)
Could aswell be a camera on the door to SIL cabinet (that films the SIL), that is connected to a image detection algoritm on the PCS that tells if the "Tripped" diode is lit or not. Or would such a camera arrangement not be techincally allowed either?
What I have understand, the point of the separation is so nothing can affect the operation of the SIL (for example, if the PCS blows up due to a short or even if the PCS get a 300kV 3000 amp lightning strike in itself the SIL must continue working)
However, its important that the optical splitter never can fail in such way it would affect the operation of the SIL system. For example, if the optical transmitter becomes a short, then the SIL output must be able to handle it (like optically protected in itself or current limited).
definetly very useful contents
Great to hear that, Ercan! Thanks for your support.
Thanks for this video sir
So all the field input & output must go through safety PLC?
Im using PILZ safety PLC in panels having SIL 2 certificate
All of the signals that are required in the logic solver (your Pilz safety PLC) to implement the Safety Instrumented Function (SIF) should be brought in as logic solver I/O. Per ISA-84/IEC-61511, these inputs and outputs should be connected only to the logic solver.
Great explanation
Thank you!
Keep up the great work
Thanks for your support!
Excellent 👌
Thanks a lot!
Thank you very much, very helpful
You are very welcome, Renad!
what is the difference between SIS (instrumented safety system) and ESD emergency shutdown in the oil and gas industry and what are their respective standards 0:23
Thank you for your question.
The difference between ESD and other SIS systems is that while the PCS covers normal operations and programmed procedures for process power on and shutdown, ESD systems only intervene when an emergency is detected that could lead to a hazardous situation.
Here is a link for further review: www.sisfireandgas.com/system/4/emergency-shut-down-esd/#:~:text=Difference%20between%20ESD%20and%20other%20SIS%20systems&text=While%20the%20PCS%20will%20cover,lead%20to%20a%20hazardous%20situation.
Happy learning!
Nice video, Merci,
Thank you!
what a great presentation thank you
Thank you!
very good presentation
Thanks!
@Real Pars
thank you so much :)
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Excelent!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is there many SIS beside ESD (emergency shutdown system)
The ESD system is actually a part of SIS and this system may include a number of independent process shutdown systems that can be actuated separately. Activation of the ESD system should result in the termination of all production activity on the platform, including the closing of all pipeline SDVs.
So brilliant video
Thank you!
Hallo, great explanation on SIS. I have rececently started working with Pilz Programable Safety System and I just found a term on the Service Manual I wonder if you could clarify to me, it says something like this:
When using test pulse outputs, If supply voltage is interrupted during test function, the test pulse output will be deemed to be defective... causing the PSS to switch to a stop ...Remedy: buffer the PSS supply voltage.
What means here buffer the PSS?
Thanks in advance!
Remove & then re-apply the supply voltage to reset
Excellent vedio, thanks a lot
Thanks for your kind compliment, Vivek!
Gostei muito do seu material, muito obrigado.
Obrigado, Jecson!
why does a safety instrumented system need its own controller? and not just connect an additional sensor/valve connected to the process controller with a piece of software? I am asking because the PFD of a PLC is much lower than the PFD of a sensor/valve right?
Hi Remco,
A safety instrumented system (SIS) needs its own controller because it must operate independently of the process control system to ensure safety. This separation provides redundancy and prevents a single failure from compromising both the process control and safety functions. While the process controller may have a lower probability of failure (PFD), the independence of the SIS controller ensures higher overall system reliability and safety, which is critical for managing and mitigating risks in hazardous processes.
Happy learning!
Thank yuo for all your video
You are very welcome, Alexis! Happy learning!
I loved the video. I would argue against using risk matrices though ;)
really nice
Thank you!
thank you
You are very welcome! Happy learning.
Thanks
You are welcome, Junaid!
can you please add a video about instrument air system please????????
Hey Safa!
Thanks for your comment and your suggestion. I will pass this on to our course developers!
Thanks for sharing and happy learning!
@@realpars great hope they will do and another topic would be great if they added about system grounding too😉
Really love this chanel
Thank you, Fahmi! :)
Excellent
I want to know do you provide the certificate for the courses because I want to improve my skills and I also need certification
Hi Bharathi,
We surely do provide a Certificate of Completion. You can find all the information through the following link bit.ly/2LADnPY.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Happy learning!
@@realpars thank you for your reply
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Loved it
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In this video you will learn what a safety instrument system is how it is constructed and how it plays an important role in keeping our chemical refining finding another manufacturing plants running safely and is productive Community Partners and employers before we get into today's video if you love our videos be sure to click the like button below and make sure to click subscribe and the bell to receive notifications of new real cars videos this way you never miss another one chemical petrochemical mining gas compression and many other types of plants and Manufacturing facilities to be very dangerous places to work due to the presence of risk risk due to fire explosion tank overflow gas release or chemical exposure the only way to eliminate these risks is to not build or operate these types of plants but that's not practical materials that are useful necessary and important in our everyday lives product like dry powdered laundry detergent is made via a process that includes pumping liquids at high pressure spring droplets in the very hot air and collecting the product below which may be Dusty and pose an inhalation hazard in order to minimize these risks process control systems are installed to maintain a safe operation of the plant assisted by a robust alarm detection and Reporting System and operated by trained qualified personnel measures alone cannot reduce the risk of injury fire explosion or other risks to a tolerable level a list of the types of risks the process design itself the basic process control system alarms and operator intervention provide the first layers of protection for the process players provides approximately a tenfold or greater protection to the process plant than the layer below as design care is taken to specify lines equipment and valves with the right sizes materials of construction and proper accessories pest control system is installed with the appropriate instruments controls and monitoring logic to allow the plant to be operated within the safest ranges for pressure temperature and flow rate are configured to allow The Operators to react to abnormal conditions and take corrective actions before arrest becomes an accident all of these layers of protection in place the risks may still be too great to prevent an accident from happening examples illustrate this for a nylon planned in flixborough England exploded killing 28 and injuring more than 1001984 a gas leak in a fertilizer plant in Bhopal India killed over 3000 and injured 200,000 in 2005 an explosion at a Texas City Refinery killed 15 and injured more than 150 his plans had Control Systems alarms and trained operators but these first three layers of protection do not reduce a hazardous plants risk to a tolerable level associated with production of flixborough we're not all well-defined and the proper controls were not in place to minimize those risks all systems were in place to prevent the resulting gas leak but did not take into account the scenario that led to the accident
Did you have a specific question? Your post is simply a transcript of the first four minutes of the video. Perhaps your question followed and was cut off due to the character limitations on comments.
Video diagram is not clear show due to Writting Text in below, pls remove writing or shift another side.
Thank you for your feedback, Vivek! I will go ahead and pass this on to our course developers.