Jamaica station is in the borough of Queens, not Brooklyn. The station is the Long Island Railroad"s major interchange between trains from Manhattan and Lon Island. "Change at Jamaica" is one of those phrases that every New Yorker is familiar with. It's almost like "Mind the Gap" in London. In fact, there was a restaurant in Glasgow called Change at Jamaica, sadly long since closed.
There IS a Brooklyn terminal and there IS a lesser used terminal in Long Island City, in western Queens and there IS, of course, Penn Station in Manhattan (in downtown New York City) but the Jamaica Station that all trains originating in points west goes through (except for the Port Washington Branch) is MOST DEFINITELY in Queens and NOT in Brooklyn!!!!!
Hi Simply Railway! As a Long Island native and railfan, I take great pride in the railroad that I classify as my favorite. With that being said, I would like to address a few things mentioned in the video. I will address them in the order mentioned. Firstly, the lack of outlets. While there are outlets on the C3s, there are very few. The reasoning behind this is that these cars were built and commissioned in the fall of '98, where mobile devices were far less common. Secondly, the feeling of being cramped. That is actually by design. The C3 was designed to provide more room for passengers at stations with smaller platforms. Because of those smaller platforms, they have to run smaller trains, but still wanted the capacity. This, we have the C3. And finally, I want to address the conductor. Knowing about her conduct is truly baffling to me, as everyone I have ever interacted with has been professional and courteous. I assure you that encounters like that are rare, though not unheard of. I also highly propose that you take one of the trains out to Montauk as the sights out there are truly stunning, and it will be well worth the fare. Thank you for reviewing the LIRR, and keep making this content.
Ha! Well, the "conductor's" attitude is becoming more common . . . unfortunately; and that is why I dislike NYers IN GENERAL. Full disclosure: I am a NYer.
Long time LIRR commuter as well and I was going to say the C3 were from '98 hahaha. Also Yes most conductors are chill people, some or even most of them I'd say would love to be on camera.
I have never had this kind of problem with any conductors on the LIRR, or even Metro-North. One yard worker in Oyster Bay became suspicious of me once, until I explained my motives for the pictures, and we were pretty cool with one another after that.
The reason why the C3's are such a cramped bi-level coach is because of the tunnel clearances at New York Penn Station. The tunnel clearance is such that ordinary bi-levels (like the bombardier bi-level that you rode on TRE), cannot fit into Penn Station, and thus the C3's had to fit the clearance at Penn Station while still being high-capacity bi-levels.
Kinda reminds me of the Japan's JR East E-233's bi-level green cars which I would see run through Tokyo station. I am assuming due to the tight clearances and narrow gauge design of Japanese rails would result in the rather cramped bi-level design.
A bilevel train was used in Britain in the 30s but it didn't catch on. Had a curious stepped cabin design to fit two levels into the virgin tight British gauge.
They are still technically too big for Penn Station. They can't go through the Hudson River tubes, not sure about the Empire connection. That's why the NJ Transit bi-levels have the angled top corners. They also can't be used in Grand Central Terminal for the same reason(both current Metro North and soon to be LIRR tracks)
@@visionist7 Superliners don't have a chance of fitting. Not only are they too tall, they're low floor cars which are incompatible with the High-level platforms used on the Northeast corridor.
@@theanonymousman3406 The LIRR is older. 1834 for the LIRR, 1862 for Union Pacific. The Long Island Rail Road is the "oldest railroad in the United States still operating under its original name and charter."
Of course Fan Railer was famously given the bird when he filmed the M9 test train. The conductor went out of his way to do that, going as far as opening the window instead of staying inside. Shame these bad apples give the LIRR a bad reputation.
It may be legal, but it is annoying to those who have to work there. How about I film you washing your car in your driveway? If you say something, I'll just be a typical foamer dick and say "iM sTaNdInG oN pUbLiC pRoPeRtY"
You should have taken that train to the Oyster Bay station (end of the line) as it passes through some of the most scenic and exclusive areas of the Gold Coast of Long Island. The Oyster Bay station is adjoining the waterfront of Oyster Bay and Theodore Roosevelt Park, which is lovely.
I've had a couple of experiences of railway staff, although the other way around: One was at Antwerpen Centraal where a driver said he'd seen us previously and would love to see the photos we took (which went on Flickr at the time) and a German train driver who was interested in my taking pictures at Hamburg Hbf & was impressed with my knowledge of both German and how their rail system worked. And the Amtrak & Metra staff I encountered in Chicago were lovely; very chatty and curious as to why I was venturing into the suburbs and not staying downtown! Just a shame you got someone who wasn't like the staff I've met. Certainly a very interesting train in this video; thanks for sharing :D
Meanwhile in Singapore it's, strictly speaking, illegal to film/photograph in our MRT (metro/subway) network; some photographers (including one photographing the area outside a station, while standing on its platform) have been accosted by staff previously who've demanded for their identity cards. However I think it's only strictly enforced when staff are walking around in the station (of which there aren't that many) & see you taking photos/videos; it's not uncommon to find online photos taken in our MRT system
@@lzh4950 In the United States the Supreme Court has already ruled that while one is in a public space, there can be NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. D'accord.
@@miata1492 In my country it's more of a nat'l security issue I think, probably after _Jammah Islamiyah_ terrorists were found to have plans to bomb _Yishun_ train station here ~20 yrs ago (perhaps to target USA military personnel who board shuttle buses there to a naval maintenance facility). They were later also found to have plans to fire rockets at Singapore's downtown from neighbouring Indonesia's _Batam_ island, which is only ~20km/12.4mi away
Best trip is the Friday 4:19pm "Cannonball" from Penn Station to Montauk ("The End"). Mostly used be weekenders going to their holiday homes during the summer months.
As someone who was born and raised on LI and someone who travels on the LIRR frequently...man this did not put our best foot forward. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, especially with that conductor. If you're ever in the area again, might I suggest a ride on the Montauk branch from Penn! Same loco and rolling stock but most of the line is elevated along the south shore in Nassau and you get some great views!
LIRR is one of oldest railway companies of the world - founded in 1834! Pennsylvania Railroad was its owner until the sale of LIRR lines for State of New York in 1966. The Cannonball is the longest (and only named) LIRR service: NY Penn Station to Montauk, 180 Km.
@@ronclark9724 have you even been there I’ve gone to New York all my life it’s not a terrible place at all. Just because there’s one annoying conductor doesn’t mean that New York is a terrible place
My general experience in New York is that people are nicer than average, just very impolite. It only seems mean if you mistake politeness for niceness. I encounter far more dickish people in San Francisco, they're just way more polite about it there. I find the relative lack of passive-aggressiveness in NYC refreshing.
LIRR daily commuter here, I loved the video, and I have a few minor points 1) C3 are late '90s stock and new rolling stock (te M9s) have plugs, and I'm certain the C3 replacement will as well, BUT there are actually a few secret plugs on correct C3s and M7s that are easy to miss but handy in a pinch. 2) that conductor is definitely not indicative of everyone who works on the railroad; I've had way more good than bad. 3) About half of the LIRR diesels are duel mode (diesel and third rail for Penn Station service), including the one you were on. 3) maybe I am just too often of a commuter, but freight is not a rare sight, ESPECIALLY where you filmed just east of Jamaica; there are always empty cars there. Both the NYA and LIRR move "freight" on the line, and with all the track work it's even more common. What is somewhat rare is seeing NYA actually on the move with GP38s and a longish consist.
Nice trip report! I'm sorry that you have to go through what the conductor did. Not everyone is a nice person in NY. You made a couple of minor mistakes with information: 1. Jamaica Station is in Queens, not Brooklyn, and 2. Taking the elevator is an option to get to the platforms but not the only option, as you can walk out of the ticketing office, walk underneath the tracks at street level and you can find your tracks from the various stairwells leading directly up to the platforms. But overall, great trip report!
the conductors are constantly under threat by bad passengers and being video taped for bad reasons is the norm. 9 out of ten times someone is videoing trying to cause trouble, the job is under threat and they aren't protected by superiors at all. they get punched, spit on, cursed at, drinks thrown at them and recently one conductor was stabbed. very cliche view of NYC without any idea of how things actually are.
As one quite familiar with LIRR, the bi-level coaches used with diesel equipment come in conjoined pairs. One of the two has a toilet, also a driver cab for push-pull operation. About the conductor, this is New York. One cannot expect British civility in the Big Apple! Finally it’s shame you alighted a East Williston. The ride continues to Oyster Bay through some lovely Long Island North Shore scenery.
My grandfather was in a study of how the originals were caching on fire and they are actually dual-mode that is why it has a DM at the front of the name.
Kind of. Up until 2 years ago only two metro stations were allowed to be filmed though. And good luck filming from any other trains without accidentally filming military which is also illegal.
@@rochesterjohnny7555 That kid was caught stealing a poster from the hotel. He could have bought one had he asked. They do not have a problem with that. Their house, their rules. Just ask.
@@wendellwhite5797 Theft in an authoritarian country is dumb. However, this does not justify bludgeoning the thief to death. "Their house, their rules" ...yeah. A house run like that shouldn't expect further visitors...
“She asked me what I was doing,” and the “She didn’t care, and replied that what I was doing was against the law bla bla bla. She then called her hierarchy for an” Here is an Oopsie for the Conductor: Investigation and possible Legal Action against me” also the “She never apologized to me and grumbled: “What world are we living in now?”” And don’t forget the “Excuse Me” part. All of these examples is meaning that she is an Karen...
@@visionist7 Recall the man of a thousand voices, Mel Blanc? He said on a television show interview many years ago the Bugs Bunny character is basically a New York stinker...
Nice video, to bad for the mean conductor. @Simply Railways , a suggested that you should Ride an southern California railway like Metrolink, Coaster, Coaster sprinter, LA Metro, or the second part of the pacific Sufiliner. :)
Excellent video despite that conductor. This is the first professional tripreport I've seen to my home station, very well made and edited. Thanks for featuring my photo!
The classic NY experience. Usually, LIRR staff is fairly friendly, but there are a few bad apples. There was once a conductor who flipped the bird at Fan Railer, someone who train spots in the area and was caught on video doing so. What's ironic is the conductor was on board a then brand new M9, which the MTA asked people to get photos of on Twitter. Anyway, another fun fact, some of the British Class 66s actually use the same engine as the DE30ACs and DM30ACs. You can hear the similarities at times. Another thing, you were actually being pulled by a DM30AC. You can tell the difference since the DM30s are numbered 500-522 while the DE30s are numbered 400-423. The only difference between them is that the DM30s are capable of using 3rd rail to operate in and out of Penn Station, while the DE30s are not. This is why the coaches are also so cramped, they have to be able to fit in the East River tunnels into Penn Station. Another thing, Jamaica station's platforms are actually accessible from the street level. There are some stairs that take you directly to Sutphin Blvd. I don't believe there's an elevator there though. I also agree that Jamaica looks a lot like Reading, to the point where I call it fake Reading. Overall, great video! Can't wait to see the M7 one!
What I find interesting is that the DM30AC in the video is running its diesel (you can hear it running) even though it's still on electrified track. I wonder if for Oyster Point runs they just run diesel the whole way even with the dual-mode trains just so they don't accidentally start a run on electric and then have a train fail when the diesel portion breaks unexpectedly. They could get away with it since the train never enters the tunnels to Manhattan.
"Unique and great and then..." is a quintessential Long Island feeling. You even took my line! If you ever revisit and do a full commuter experience from Penn Station to a terminus, I'd recommend the Long Beach line; the station's right on the main drag, and you can walk down to the boardwalk & beach in 3-5 minutes. Very popular local destination in the summer. Sorry about the conductor; Long Islanders just aren't used to people paying much attention to us. (I'd probably be a little curious what you were up to myself, to be honest.)
Love your videos. Now that you know that Jamaica is in Queens, the real commute is to and from Penn Station. You should start there and go to Montauk. Also, there are outlets under the single seats at each end of the upper and lower level. Getting one of those seats involves tactics which I will not disclose here. Keep up the good work.
When I was a kid prior to the state take over and perhaps for a while after there was what was known as the club car. It was part of the consist on trains for the evening commute. The regulars would get a drink, a cocktail or a beer and then would settle down to either a game of cards or occasionally dominos. The riders all more or less knew each other and the people playing were almost always in the same group. With the coming of the M1 cars on the electrified lines the club car vanished. Its funny but a number of heritage railroads seem to fancy the cars the M1s replaced. I've ridden them on a number of such operations including a few a fair distance from NY.
One small correction, the oyster bay branch is electrified as far as the first stop east williston. Before the 3rd rail was extended to hicksville, huntington and ronkonkoma they would use that short stretch to turn trains.
So wonderful to see a segment on my old commuter line. The LIRR was always a different world from the NYC subway system. Perhaps you could do one on the South Shore line. Thanx for sharing!
Back in the 60's,the LIRR actually had a Charm School to teach conductors and trailmen, on how to interact with the public! The MTA,definitely should make that type of School mandatory! The JR,in Japan does the same type of thing,and photography is always permitted! That's one reason why there are so many Japanese train videos on TH-cam! Management forgets that the amateurs are there best source of historical photos! One railroad discouraged photography of its trains,and came the time when they wanted a hundredth anniversary book,on the line,there was a paucity of outside photography,and a very thin history resulted,much to the chagrin of the company! You reap,what you sow! Great Video,but you should have ridden to the end of the line,and after Roslyn,you get into the really beautiful area,I know,I lived there for 70 years,and went to the Oyster Fest,in Oyster Bay,and sundry other events! The same goes for the Greenport line(now know as the Ronkonkoma line),and Montauk,as Suffolk County is one of the more overlooked scenic counties in New York! Thank you for your efforts,and Metro-North,has a lot of scenic rides too,as I've also used them in the past! Keep it up,man,it's an education 👏!!! 🚅🚅🚅🚅🚅🚇🚇🚇🚇🚇🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🦀🦀🦀🦀🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐
Great video! I used to commute every day from Roslyn (two stops after East Williston) to New York. Very cool to see the reaction of a "guest" to the Oyster Bay line!
Unfortunately the LIRR C3 coaches and DE/DM30ACs were built pre-technology. And after the year 2000 EMD stopped using those parts so the Units can not be updated
Well, that conductor was just living up to the rest of the worlds stereotypical expectation of what New York City dwellers are really like! On the other hand, Up State New Yorkers that I've run across were really nice and down to Earth people even though they knew I work for an oil company. It sad how the piss poor attitude of one person can have a lasting impression on large groups of people.
Nobody who actually spends any time at all in NYC thinks city people are like that. More likely than not you're going to be completely ignored by anyone and everyone around you in NYC, because everyone has shit to do and somewhere to be and nobody wants to deal with you or your bullshit.
Bravo, Mr. Johnson. By the way, ALL citizens of the US are "allowed" guns. I reside in up-state NY and the paperwork/and other "requirements" here is designed to thwart ANY gun purchase.
Seems like LIRR conductors have a problem with being filmed. A few years ago another youtuber called Fan Railer got flipped off by an LIRR conductor while filming.
qaz is not a people person any: always putting it's best foot forward. I think the millions of friendly New Yorkers are forced into hiding so that visitors keep moving.
I hope you consider the Metro North trip from Grand Central Terminal to Poughkeepsie on the Hudson Line. Beautiful views of the Hudson River and you can stop in Beacon where I live!
Jamaica station is in Queens, NY. In fact, the quite interesting thing that could have got you confused is that 1 stop away from Jamaica is in Brooklyn, East New York toward Atlantic terminal
Yeah that was weird about the conductor but you drew her attention by crossing between railway cars, which is a big no-no on NY area trains and the subway.
I'm not sure about the diesel cars, but on electric LIRR trains, there are signs that indicate crossing between cars while the train is in motion is illegal.
@@samuelitooooo Transilien and RER use the same type of stock! The only difference between the 2 is whilst RER goes through Paris, Transilien will terminate at a main Paris terminal
@@benjamintery7847 That's only true for some lines that use Z 2N series cars. The MI2N, MI09, MI79, and MI84 cars are exclusive to RER, while the Z50000 and Z57000 were made for Transilien. New trains are upcoming for RER lines that will be specifically designed for RER, namely the Z58000 (also known as RER Nouvelle Génération) for lines D and E, and MI20 for line B. You won't find them on Transilien!
@@samuelitooooo yes, of course, most stock is different, but trains like Z20500, for example, appear on the D, but also the P (maybe R, too?). Anyways, none of the Transilien or RER stock looks as comfortable as these ones !
You don’t actually need to use the elevators in Jamaica. If you continue to go south on Sutphin Blvd, after the ticket office, there are stairs leading to every platform. Much quicker. Same for going from the Airtrain to the subway, go down the escalator and under the LIRR tracks and you’ll get to the subway much faster.
now the LIRR should investigate why their conductor was slacking off and not doing her job........ Great video btw. Waiting for Penn Station-Montauk...
my experience on LIRR was definitely more positive, but last time I was in NY was 2016, took the train from Ronkonkoma to Penn station and the train was busy but clean. That trip was on a M7. That style of seat is used on pretty much all silverliner style trains like the M3s and M7s and even the Hyundai-Rotem Silverliner 5s used by SEPTA and RTD in Denver, pitch is a little snug but you figure they need to cram a lot of people on there during rush hours and most trips on those trains are typically less than 30 minutes..
Two things I would point out about your conductor, one of which is a response to @qaz is not a people person. First, NYC and the surrounding counties are very compact, so privacy is a luxury, especially filmed. Second, the MTA put a lot of stringent no-media laws in place after 9/11, with the worry that the footage could be used by a terrorist cell to identify and exploit targets. In your case, it sounds like your conductor was a Karen.
It's a public location. End of story. There would be more security cameras within 100feet filming you than this dude on a train. You have more police, more army, bigger secret service (in fact more than one) than Nazi Germany had. I hardly think a dude with a camera on a train is invading anyone's 'luxury’ space.
There is no security benefit from banning people from filming in public. If you ban people from openly filming, then bad actors can easily film secretly with hidden cameras. Unless you intend to search everyone for hidden cameras, then banning filming only hurts honest people. Banning filming inside secure areas where you can check people for cameras makes sense, but unenforceable bans only serve to harass people who mean no harm.
@@xr6lad Well it's not that simple. Your technically not allowed to film on Port Authority property. That includes PATH trains, the airports some of the bridges and tunnels and the World Trade Center. They can arrest you. They are allowed to do it because they have their own police and are a public authority and don't receive taxpayer money.
@@rrrglynn the MTA isn't a PA agency. In fact, agencies within the PANYNJ don't even like people who work for the MTA. And they don't cooperate very well either.
@@goobthe3rd I know that the MTA isn't part of the PA. I was replying to "It's a public location. End of story." That's not a valid assumption. I'm fully aware you can film on MTA and city property.
The conductor who told you that you couldn’t film was absolutely wrong. Federal courts have ruled that anyone can film on public transportation. Good that the supervisor knew the law.
FYI, it's officially the "Long Island Rail Road", likely the only US line that separates the word. Thanks for posting a great video of my hometown's railroad!
LIRR Bi Level coaches built by Kawasaki Rail Car, Inc., not by Bombardier. 7:24 time mark of the video clearly shows Kawasaki tag left side of the door.
Recording trains (aka railfanning) is perfectly legal. The transit employees who seriously think that railfanning is illegal and attack people for it just blow my mind. These people don’t live in reality 😂
Many great trips on the LIRR went via Jamaica. Busiest train station in New York after Penn Station and Grand Central Sorry you had an unpleasant experience with a conductor. Thanks Thibault.😀😀💚💚
I may be biased (probably because I’ve taken Metro North a lot more) but the LIRR is not too bad. Taking the LIRR during a snowstorm is pretty bad. Also, filming on the LIRR is perfectly fine. Ignore any train crew that tell you that you’re not allowed. Same thing goes with Metro North and the Subway.
You should have gone all the way to oyster bay. There is an abandoned station you can see on the way there that’s still intact and right on the tracks. It dates back to the 19th century
Your case with the conductor is absolutely same with common cases in Indonesia. Here, if you take a photo or videography, the station security will chase you. Then, they'll ask for deleting all you've taken before. It's okay to ask a permission before, if you're planning to publish it on TH-cam. But in Indonesia, you'll still be chased, even if you take it just for a private collection. Sorry for ruin your plan to try Indonesian trains, but that's the common issue. So just be careful.
Same in the Philippines and even one time I visited Dar es Salaam, Tanzania... I was there for a transportation conference! Guards armed with semi-automatic weapons came over when I took photos of the bus rapid transit station and watched over me as I deleted the photos from my phone. Even in Boston, I was warned by a train operator that the transit police were being called on me for my 'illegal' photography of trains. 🙃
I used to ride the LIRR to and from work every day from about 2007 to 2019; I usually rode the M7's but took the C3's a few times. First, there's no excuse for what that conductor did. It used to be policy after 9/11 that you couldn't film on MTA trains but that policy was pretty publicly changed a few years back; I know that and it's not even my job to. It is this conductor's job, though. It's in their rules of conduct, 1050.9(c). Anyway, sorry that happened to you. A lot of MTA employees are jerks. To me as someone who rode the LIRR every day, obviously it was nothing special, but we all find our own ways to make it comfortable and normal after a while. I'm 6'4" and it was always tough for me sitting next to someone in those seats, but I usually closed my eyes and listened to music. If I got a two-seater by myself (the M7's are 3+2 but have the same seats with the colors reversed), I'd stretch out diagonally. On normal commutes during normal times, those trains are usually at about 120% seating capacity, so you're always sitting next to somebody until they or you get off. I found that the C3's ride pretty well, whereas the M7's I always thought rode rough for new(ish) equipment, and they sway a lot too for single level equipment. Anyway I like the C3's and the cocoon-like feeling you can get if you've got two seats to yourself. And I like the way they look from the outside too, with the matching engine. You don't see that a lot anymore, anywhere in the world outside of a high speed train. I wonder if you got to ride any M3's. I actually like those better than the M7's, even though they're old as dirt now. The C3's are probably my favorite LIRR cars right now, but I just didn't get to ride them often since they weren't on my regular line (I rode from Penn-Valley Stream, so Far Rockaway or Long Beach).
6:20. You were already on the main line .. Jamaica station is on the mainline.. it’s also the headquarters of the LIRR.. also weird it only had 3 coaches.. normally has 5. More for peak hours on most branches.
I forgot to mention that I think all of your videos are really excellent. You review trains in the USA for what they are. It's not Europe or Asia, but it is getting better.
Simply Railway if you are looking for a comparison between American and European third rail commuter rail units the best examples of this are LIRR & Metro-North M3 M7s & M9s vs 🇬🇧 Class 707, 376, 455,& 458. Combined third rail overhead units comparison are Metro-North railroad New Haven line M8 vs 🇬🇧 377, 378,710,319 717 & 700. One thing that long island railroad needs is a Alstom Coradia Polyvalent dual mode emu that can go all the way from Oyster Bay to New York Penn Station via East Williston & Mineola. Your DM30AC & C3 coaches usually operate towards Montauk Point during the summer operating on the mainline to Bethpage Junction where they go on the Central Branch from Bethpage to Babylon where it's the Montauk Branch All the Way to Montauk Point. 750v DC Third rail contact is used on Long Island Railroad just like United Kingdom but bottom contact third rail 750v DC is on Metro North. C3 Odd cars have restrooms in them like M7 & M9s
A little bit of history. From 1900 to 1949, the Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) was a subsidiary of the once-proud Pennsylvania Railroad empire. From the G-5 4-6-0's to even the signal plant, the Long Island truly looked like it's parent railroad, the PRR. While most evidence of the PRR legacy is long gone, the LIRR in places still has position light signals. I don't know if those are original, or replacements, but, they certainly remind you of the days when the PRR was the parent for the LIRR.
Oh god… I ride this branch often, 3-5 times a week and I recognized this conductor just by her voice. I guess she only works on the Oyster Bay Branch, but she by far my least favorite conductor to get. She is always impatient and annoying. She’ll often ask for my ticket after she had already taken it, demand I get up and move all my stuff forward a car to exit even through there’s still 10 minutes to the last stop, and will pick fights over tiny rules (can’t have my backpack on the seat beside me cause other passengers may want to sit, meanwhile the train is 90% empty). You got Unlucky dude.
as a Brazilian, is interesting to me see a commuter train with toilets. Like, this ride take 20 minutes, here in my region we have a commuter line that takes around 2 hours and the trains don't have a toilet lol
The conductor elicited very poor customer service. She probably won’t last very long at her job, or any job, with that type of behavior. Glad her supervisor was involved. You should write a letter informing the powers to be about your negative experience and how several thousand of your viewers got to see LIRR’s poor customer service. I bet you will DEFINITELY get a formal written apology then! Love your videos! Don’t be discouraged. Keep them coming!
Hi Simply Railway , Nice Video and beautiful train, i'm Also took The Lirr from jamaica to penn Station in May 2019 but my Train was the M7 and luckily i haven't problems with the conductor, I recommend you to send a complaint to MTA, for the rude behavior of the conductor
Amazing video! When COVID has passed, have you thought of taking VIA Rail’s Canadian service? It goes all the way from Toronto to Vancouver over 4 days using classic 1950s Budd equipment.
the reason those coaches are so short is because of the small clearances into penn station, since the tunnels are very old. it was decided that buying shorter coaches would be significantly cheaper than extending the tunnel roof. new jersey transit's multilevel cars are also shorter than most bilevel cars
Jamaica is in QUEENS, not Brooklyn. The C3 Coaches are designed that way to fit into the East River Tunnels and the confines of the Penn Station tracks and platforms. The LIRR tried bi-level designs as far back as the late 1930's and 1940's. The idea is to get people from here to there quickly and as comfortably as possible given the normal passenger load.
I hope you did bolth the M7, and then the NH M8, which is supreme (exept I dont particularly like the color scheme or seats on the M8). Love your videos!
Believe me, the transit in NYC is way cheaper that taxis and Uber/Lyft. You could end up paying twice, or even three times as much to ride a taxi instead of commuter rail.
Just one correction... (5m21s mark) All current LIRR trains (including the old M1's coming back into service) have a power outlet (more than one actually). Instead of just a few at the door seats (or at the door seats and mid car), the M9's have ones at every seat. I think you meant to say "Every train *seat* should have a power outlet"? Regardless, sadly, no, the M9's are not replacing all of the older rolling stock. Anyway, cool vid!
Commuters On The LIRR know how to sleep on the trip and never miss their stop home lol .. takes a few years to master it but don't need an announcement from the Conductor. Those that know, know lol
Jamaica station is in the borough of Queens, not Brooklyn. The station is the Long Island Railroad"s major interchange between trains from Manhattan and Lon Island. "Change at Jamaica" is one of those phrases that every New Yorker is familiar with. It's almost like "Mind the Gap" in London. In fact, there was a restaurant in Glasgow called Change at Jamaica, sadly long since closed.
Glasgow Scotland?
Is this some sort of Main line joke I'm too Port Washington branch to understand?
@Nicholas Corell haha
There IS a Brooklyn terminal and there IS a lesser used terminal in Long Island City, in western Queens and there IS, of course, Penn Station in Manhattan (in downtown New York City) but the Jamaica Station that all trains originating in points west goes through (except for the Port Washington Branch) is MOST DEFINITELY in Queens and NOT in Brooklyn!!!!!
@Nicholas Corell : You must be a Z Loser then..
Hi Simply Railway! As a Long Island native and railfan, I take great pride in the railroad that I classify as my favorite. With that being said, I would like to address a few things mentioned in the video. I will address them in the order mentioned. Firstly, the lack of outlets. While there are outlets on the C3s, there are very few. The reasoning behind this is that these cars were built and commissioned in the fall of '98, where mobile devices were far less common. Secondly, the feeling of being cramped. That is actually by design. The C3 was designed to provide more room for passengers at stations with smaller platforms. Because of those smaller platforms, they have to run smaller trains, but still wanted the capacity. This, we have the C3. And finally, I want to address the conductor. Knowing about her conduct is truly baffling to me, as everyone I have ever interacted with has been professional and courteous. I assure you that encounters like that are rare, though not unheard of. I also highly propose that you take one of the trains out to Montauk as the sights out there are truly stunning, and it will be well worth the fare. Thank you for reviewing the LIRR, and keep making this content.
You can even hear the conductor yell to him “Excuse me” right before he cuts the video
Ha! Well, the "conductor's" attitude is becoming more common . . . unfortunately; and that is why I dislike NYers IN GENERAL. Full disclosure: I am a NYer.
Long time LIRR commuter as well and I was going to say the C3 were from '98 hahaha. Also Yes most conductors are chill people, some or even most of them I'd say would love to be on camera.
@@miata1492 Offense taken
I have never had this kind of problem with any conductors on the LIRR, or even Metro-North. One yard worker in Oyster Bay became suspicious of me once, until I explained my motives for the pictures, and we were pretty cool with one another after that.
The reason why the C3's are such a cramped bi-level coach is because of the tunnel clearances at New York Penn Station. The tunnel clearance is such that ordinary bi-levels (like the bombardier bi-level that you rode on TRE), cannot fit into Penn Station, and thus the C3's had to fit the clearance at Penn Station while still being high-capacity bi-levels.
Kinda reminds me of the Japan's JR East E-233's bi-level green cars which I would see run through Tokyo station. I am assuming due to the tight clearances and narrow gauge design of Japanese rails would result in the rather cramped bi-level design.
A bilevel train was used in Britain in the 30s but it didn't catch on. Had a curious stepped cabin design to fit two levels into the virgin tight British gauge.
They are still technically too big for Penn Station. They can't go through the Hudson River tubes, not sure about the Empire connection. That's why the NJ Transit bi-levels have the angled top corners. They also can't be used in Grand Central Terminal for the same reason(both current Metro North and soon to be LIRR tracks)
@@mambomta would they fit in Penn if there was a bridge over the river instead of a tunnel under it? What about Superliners?
@@visionist7 Superliners don't have a chance of fitting. Not only are they too tall, they're low floor cars which are incompatible with the High-level platforms used on the Northeast corridor.
Fun fact: LIRR is the busiest commuter rail in the US with over 100 million people transported each year!
Its also the oldest railroad in the united states to be mostly the same organization from when it began almost 200 years ago
@@timothyfruhauf611 that would be Union Pacific. But the LIRR is the second oldest
It was, pre-pandemic. Ridership took a nosedive during the pandemic.
@@theanonymousman3406 The LIRR is older. 1834 for the LIRR, 1862 for Union Pacific. The Long Island Rail Road is the "oldest railroad in the United States still operating under its original name and charter."
It’s the only one many can use that’s how bad US transit systems are
@Simply Railway, great video. We hope that we will continue to cooperate in the future.
Hello I love watching your videos! Keep up the good work!
I did not expect such cooperation. I’m a big fan of both channels. Anyone who is not, need to subscribe to Railways Explained.
lmao i got told off by a driver on LIRR for filming last year; there's nothing illegal about filming trains
Heck, you can even film the trains in the DPRK. North Korea. It's legal.
Of course Fan Railer was famously given the bird when he filmed the M9 test train. The conductor went out of his way to do that, going as far as opening the window instead of staying inside. Shame these bad apples give the LIRR a bad reputation.
It may be legal, but it is annoying to those who have to work there. How about I film you washing your car in your driveway? If you say something, I'll just be a typical foamer dick and say "iM sTaNdInG oN pUbLiC pRoPeRtY"
@@michlo3393 . . . and we must NOT annoy. Former? It sounds like you still are.
@@ecoRfan I remember that moment!
You should have taken that train to the Oyster Bay station (end of the line) as it passes through some of the most scenic and exclusive areas of the Gold Coast of Long Island. The Oyster Bay station is adjoining the waterfront of Oyster Bay and Theodore Roosevelt Park, which is lovely.
I've had a couple of experiences of railway staff, although the other way around: One was at Antwerpen Centraal where a driver said he'd seen us previously and would love to see the photos we took (which went on Flickr at the time) and a German train driver who was interested in my taking pictures at Hamburg Hbf & was impressed with my knowledge of both German and how their rail system worked. And the Amtrak & Metra staff I encountered in Chicago were lovely; very chatty and curious as to why I was venturing into the suburbs and not staying downtown! Just a shame you got someone who wasn't like the staff I've met. Certainly a very interesting train in this video; thanks for sharing :D
Meanwhile in Singapore it's, strictly speaking, illegal to film/photograph in our MRT (metro/subway) network; some photographers (including one photographing the area outside a station, while standing on its platform) have been accosted by staff previously who've demanded for their identity cards. However I think it's only strictly enforced when staff are walking around in the station (of which there aren't that many) & see you taking photos/videos; it's not uncommon to find online photos taken in our MRT system
@@lzh4950 In the United States the Supreme Court has already ruled that while one is in a public space, there can be NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. D'accord.
@@miata1492 In my country it's more of a nat'l security issue I think, probably after _Jammah Islamiyah_ terrorists were found to have plans to bomb _Yishun_ train station here ~20 yrs ago (perhaps to target USA military personnel who board shuttle buses there to a naval maintenance facility). They were later also found to have plans to fire rockets at Singapore's downtown from neighbouring Indonesia's _Batam_ island, which is only ~20km/12.4mi away
The PATH system that goes between NYC and NJ doesn't allow photography or filming.
Best trip is the Friday 4:19pm "Cannonball" from Penn Station to Montauk ("The End"). Mostly used be weekenders going to their holiday homes during the summer months.
As far as I know the EMD DM30AC also supports 3rd rail power. It both diesel powered and 3rd rail which is amazing.
The Electro-diesels are DE30AC, to operate through the East River Tunnel into Penn Station. 400-series numbers but look similar.
The correct designation is DM30 for the 500 series engines
As someone who was born and raised on LI and someone who travels on the LIRR frequently...man this did not put our best foot forward. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, especially with that conductor.
If you're ever in the area again, might I suggest a ride on the Montauk branch from Penn! Same loco and rolling stock but most of the line is elevated along the south shore in Nassau and you get some great views!
LIRR is one of oldest railway companies of the world - founded in 1834! Pennsylvania Railroad was its owner until the sale of LIRR lines for State of New York in 1966.
The Cannonball is the longest (and only named) LIRR service: NY Penn Station to Montauk, 180 Km.
And it still survives with its original charter today.
If ya count were it actually starts from.....Richmond Hill yard, goes to Jamaica Station, then on to Penn, it's even longer. Ask me how I know..!!??¿¿
Welcome to New York! That was a polite interaction on their scale!
New York, New York, what a horrible place!
@@ronclark9724 have you even been there I’ve gone to New York all my life it’s not a terrible place at all. Just because there’s one annoying conductor doesn’t mean that New York is a terrible place
Not at all actually
My general experience in New York is that people are nicer than average, just very impolite. It only seems mean if you mistake politeness for niceness. I encounter far more dickish people in San Francisco, they're just way more polite about it there. I find the relative lack of passive-aggressiveness in NYC refreshing.
The lirr actually goes pretty far. The montaulk line can take up to 3 hours sometimes!
Don’t let that conductor fool you. There are amazing Lirr workers out there. You just have to be at the right place at the right time
She was probably upset that you’d referred to Jamaica, Queens as being “in the Brooklyn area”.
The penalty of which is death by firing squad
@@Yo_Its_Matty_ice no, we push you onto the tracks
LIRR daily commuter here, I loved the video, and I have a few minor points 1) C3 are late '90s stock and new rolling stock (te M9s) have plugs, and I'm certain the C3 replacement will as well, BUT there are actually a few secret plugs on correct C3s and M7s that are easy to miss but handy in a pinch. 2) that conductor is definitely not indicative of everyone who works on the railroad; I've had way more good than bad. 3) About half of the LIRR diesels are duel mode (diesel and third rail for Penn Station service), including the one you were on. 3) maybe I am just too often of a commuter, but freight is not a rare sight, ESPECIALLY where you filmed just east of Jamaica; there are always empty cars there. Both the NYA and LIRR move "freight" on the line, and with all the track work it's even more common. What is somewhat rare is seeing NYA actually on the move with GP38s and a longish consist.
Correction: The C3's were Built By Kawasaki. Not Bombardier
I was just going to say that 😅😊
Nice trip report! I'm sorry that you have to go through what the conductor did. Not everyone is a nice person in NY. You made a couple of minor mistakes with information: 1. Jamaica Station is in Queens, not Brooklyn, and 2. Taking the elevator is an option to get to the platforms but not the only option, as you can walk out of the ticketing office, walk underneath the tracks at street level and you can find your tracks from the various stairwells leading directly up to the platforms. But overall, great trip report!
You can also go to the AirTrain lobby and take the escalators.
the conductors are constantly under threat by bad passengers and being video taped for bad reasons is the norm. 9 out of ten times someone is videoing trying to cause trouble, the job is under threat and they aren't protected by superiors at all. they get punched, spit on, cursed at, drinks thrown at them and recently one conductor was stabbed. very cliche view of NYC without any idea of how things actually are.
Welcome to America! I've never been stopped filming on board a train anywhere (although I've been approached on platforms). Another great video.
As one quite familiar with LIRR, the bi-level coaches used with diesel equipment come in conjoined pairs. One of the two has a toilet, also a driver cab for push-pull operation. About the conductor, this is New York. One cannot expect British civility in the Big Apple! Finally it’s shame you alighted a East Williston. The ride continues to Oyster Bay through some lovely Long Island North Shore scenery.
My grandfather was in a study of how the originals were caching on fire and they are actually dual-mode that is why it has a DM at the front of the name.
Jamaica Station is in Queens not Brooklyn
Yes
In the DPRK (Nort Korea), it is legal to film their trains and subways. They are very proud of their systems.
just from the video i can see that they're cleaner than MTA subway lol
Kind of. Up until 2 years ago only two metro stations were allowed to be filmed though. And good luck filming from any other trains without accidentally filming military which is also illegal.
I would make sure to get permission in the DPRK and don't push it too far or you end up like Otto Warmbier
@@rochesterjohnny7555 That kid was caught stealing a poster from the hotel. He could have bought one had he asked. They do not have a problem with that. Their house, their rules. Just ask.
@@wendellwhite5797 Theft in an authoritarian country is dumb. However, this does not justify bludgeoning the thief to death.
"Their house, their rules" ...yeah. A house run like that shouldn't expect further visitors...
Amazing trip report stay safe out there
Guess that conductor you just encountered was in fact a “Karen”.
Guessing by the "EXCUUSE ME!!!" yeah
“She asked me what I was doing,” and the “She didn’t care, and replied that what I was doing was against the law bla bla bla. She then called her hierarchy for an” Here is an Oopsie for the Conductor: Investigation and possible Legal Action against me” also the “She never apologized to me and grumbled: “What world are we living in now?”” And don’t forget the “Excuse Me” part. All of these examples is meaning that she is an Karen...
Why do these people have jobs like this? She should be scrubbing toilets
@@visionist7 Recall the man of a thousand voices, Mel Blanc? He said on a television show interview many years ago the Bugs Bunny character is basically a New York stinker...
@@TheAdriSun typical LIRR conductors
Nice video, to bad for the mean conductor. @Simply Railways , a suggested that you should Ride an southern California railway like Metrolink, Coaster, Coaster sprinter, LA Metro, or the second part of the pacific Sufiliner. :)
Excellent video despite that conductor. This is the first professional tripreport I've seen to my home station, very well made and edited. Thanks for featuring my photo!
Thats the railroad I grew up on! Awesome to see you review it!
The classic NY experience. Usually, LIRR staff is fairly friendly, but there are a few bad apples. There was once a conductor who flipped the bird at Fan Railer, someone who train spots in the area and was caught on video doing so. What's ironic is the conductor was on board a then brand new M9, which the MTA asked people to get photos of on Twitter.
Anyway, another fun fact, some of the British Class 66s actually use the same engine as the DE30ACs and DM30ACs. You can hear the similarities at times.
Another thing, you were actually being pulled by a DM30AC. You can tell the difference since the DM30s are numbered 500-522 while the DE30s are numbered 400-423. The only difference between them is that the DM30s are capable of using 3rd rail to operate in and out of Penn Station, while the DE30s are not. This is why the coaches are also so cramped, they have to be able to fit in the East River tunnels into Penn Station.
Another thing, Jamaica station's platforms are actually accessible from the street level. There are some stairs that take you directly to Sutphin Blvd. I don't believe there's an elevator there though.
I also agree that Jamaica looks a lot like Reading, to the point where I call it fake Reading.
Overall, great video! Can't wait to see the M7 one!
Very nice and thorough explanation! Btw just curious why is your username Josef Stalin lol.
What I find interesting is that the DM30AC in the video is running its diesel (you can hear it running) even though it's still on electrified track. I wonder if for Oyster Point runs they just run diesel the whole way even with the dual-mode trains just so they don't accidentally start a run on electric and then have a train fail when the diesel portion breaks unexpectedly. They could get away with it since the train never enters the tunnels to Manhattan.
"Unique and great and then..." is a quintessential Long Island feeling. You even took my line!
If you ever revisit and do a full commuter experience from Penn Station to a terminus, I'd recommend the Long Beach line; the station's right on the main drag, and you can walk down to the boardwalk & beach in 3-5 minutes. Very popular local destination in the summer.
Sorry about the conductor; Long Islanders just aren't used to people paying much attention to us. (I'd probably be a little curious what you were up to myself, to be honest.)
Love your videos. Now that you know that Jamaica is in Queens, the real commute is to and from Penn Station. You should start there and go to Montauk. Also, there are outlets under the single seats at each end of the upper and lower level. Getting one of those seats involves tactics which I will not disclose here. Keep up the good work.
Share the tactics! :D
On an empty train, I'm not sure why you would need "tactics".
Ding ding! I'm a tram and I approve this video! Great footage!!
I sure hope that New Haven line is next!
Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and transferring at Jamaica.
When I was a kid prior to the state take over and perhaps for a while after there was what was known as the club car. It was part of the consist on trains for the evening commute. The regulars would get a drink, a cocktail or a beer and then would settle down to either a game of cards or occasionally dominos. The riders all more or less knew each other and the people playing were almost always in the same group. With the coming of the M1 cars on the electrified lines the club car vanished. Its funny but a number of heritage railroads seem to fancy the cars the M1s replaced. I've ridden them on a number of such operations including a few a fair distance from NY.
One small correction, the oyster bay branch is electrified as far as the first stop east williston. Before the 3rd rail was extended to hicksville, huntington and ronkonkoma they would use that short stretch to turn trains.
I love East Williston Station. That was my childhood railfaning spot!
So wonderful to see a segment on my old commuter line. The LIRR was always a different world from the NYC subway system. Perhaps you could do one on the South Shore line. Thanx for sharing!
Out of all the people you had to meet on the railroad you met the one conductor that doesn't belong on it... You deserve better...
Back in the 60's,the LIRR actually had a Charm School to teach conductors and trailmen, on how to interact with the public! The MTA,definitely should make that type of School mandatory! The JR,in Japan does the same type of thing,and photography is always permitted! That's one reason why there are so many Japanese train videos on TH-cam! Management forgets that the amateurs are there best source of historical photos! One railroad discouraged photography of its trains,and came the time when they wanted a hundredth anniversary book,on the line,there was a paucity of outside photography,and a very thin history resulted,much to the chagrin of the company! You reap,what you sow! Great Video,but you should have ridden to the end of the line,and after Roslyn,you get into the really beautiful area,I know,I lived there for 70 years,and went to the Oyster Fest,in Oyster Bay,and sundry other events! The same goes for the Greenport line(now know as the Ronkonkoma line),and Montauk,as Suffolk County is one of the more overlooked scenic counties in New York! Thank you for your efforts,and Metro-North,has a lot of scenic rides too,as I've also used them in the past! Keep it up,man,it's an education 👏!!! 🚅🚅🚅🚅🚅🚇🚇🚇🚇🚇🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🦀🦀🦀🦀🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐
Great video! I used to commute every day from Roslyn (two stops after East Williston) to New York. Very cool to see the reaction of a "guest" to the Oyster Bay line!
Unfortunately the LIRR C3 coaches and DE/DM30ACs were built pre-technology. And after the year 2000 EMD stopped using those parts so the Units can not be updated
Well, that conductor was just living up to the rest of the worlds stereotypical expectation of what New York City dwellers are really like! On the other hand, Up State New Yorkers that I've run across were really nice and down to Earth people even though they knew I work for an oil company. It sad how the piss poor attitude of one person can have a lasting impression on large groups of people.
They're also allowed guns unlike city dwellers. No wonder the townies are so glum haha
@@visionist7 Incorrect. You can have guns in NYC, just requires a prohibitive amount of paperwork.
Nobody who actually spends any time at all in NYC thinks city people are like that. More likely than not you're going to be completely ignored by anyone and everyone around you in NYC, because everyone has shit to do and somewhere to be and nobody wants to deal with you or your bullshit.
Bravo, Mr. Johnson. By the way, ALL citizens of the US are "allowed" guns. I reside in up-state NY and the paperwork/and other "requirements" here is designed to thwart ANY gun purchase.
Interesting video. Thanks for posting it.
Seems like LIRR conductors have a problem with being filmed. A few years ago another youtuber called Fan Railer got flipped off by an LIRR conductor while filming.
Here is the video: th-cam.com/video/amVFWTnltws/w-d-xo.html
Especially since LIRR put on all social media asking people to get out and capture the new M9 EMU’s
qaz is not a people person any: always putting it's best foot forward. I think the millions of friendly New Yorkers are forced into hiding so that visitors keep moving.
I hope you consider the Metro North trip from Grand Central Terminal to Poughkeepsie on the Hudson Line. Beautiful views of the Hudson River and you can stop in Beacon where I live!
Jamaica station is in Queens, NY. In fact, the quite interesting thing that could have got you confused is that 1 stop away from Jamaica is in Brooklyn, East New York toward Atlantic terminal
I agree the coaches are a little claustrauphobic compared to a bi-level Go coach etc. I learned something watching this video, thanks
I would recommend you take a trip along the Hudson River, Amtrak's Empire service train. It's a great train for traveling into Upstate NY.
Also the ticket prices are also not bad (for amtrak).
Or the Adirondack from Montreal
Yeah that was weird about the conductor but you drew her attention by crossing between railway cars, which is a big no-no on NY area trains and the subway.
A no no on NYC subways not railroads
On subways, sure. But I do it all the time on regional services like Metro-North and NJ Transit.
If it's a no-no why do the doors open?
I'm not sure about the diesel cars, but on electric LIRR trains, there are signs that indicate crossing between cars while the train is in motion is illegal.
People do it all the time.
Looks way better than the RER D in terms on comfort ...
Great video as always and congrats on 60k :)
NYC commuter rail is more like Transilien. For all intents and purposes, we don't have RER 😛
@@samuelitooooo Transilien and RER use the same type of stock! The only difference between the 2 is whilst RER goes through Paris, Transilien will terminate at a main Paris terminal
@@benjamintery7847 That's only true for some lines that use Z 2N series cars.
The MI2N, MI09, MI79, and MI84 cars are exclusive to RER, while the Z50000 and Z57000 were made for Transilien.
New trains are upcoming for RER lines that will be specifically designed for RER, namely the Z58000 (also known as RER Nouvelle Génération) for lines D and E, and MI20 for line B. You won't find them on Transilien!
@@samuelitooooo yes, of course, most stock is different, but trains like Z20500, for example, appear on the D, but also the P (maybe R, too?).
Anyways, none of the Transilien or RER stock looks as comfortable as these ones !
You don’t actually need to use the elevators in Jamaica. If you continue to go south on Sutphin Blvd, after the ticket office, there are stairs leading to every platform. Much quicker. Same for going from the Airtrain to the subway, go down the escalator and under the LIRR tracks and you’ll get to the subway much faster.
Yeah, but climbing the stairs is tiring. I always take the elevators or the escalators on the AirTrain side.
now the LIRR should investigate why their conductor was slacking off and not doing her job........ Great video btw. Waiting for Penn Station-Montauk...
everyone should take the ride out to Montauk at least once, fantastic scenery out on the East End of Long Island
Nice Kawasaki m9 in the background at 5:27.
my experience on LIRR was definitely more positive, but last time I was in NY was 2016, took the train from Ronkonkoma to Penn station and the train was busy but clean. That trip was on a M7. That style of seat is used on pretty much all silverliner style trains like the M3s and M7s and even the Hyundai-Rotem Silverliner 5s used by SEPTA and RTD in Denver, pitch is a little snug but you figure they need to cram a lot of people on there during rush hours and most trips on those trains are typically less than 30 minutes..
Plan on trying the Michigan high speed line between Chicago and Detroit? Supposed to go over 100 mph in some areas
Two things I would point out about your conductor, one of which is a response to @qaz is not a people person. First, NYC and the surrounding counties are very compact, so privacy is a luxury, especially filmed. Second, the MTA put a lot of stringent no-media laws in place after 9/11, with the worry that the footage could be used by a terrorist cell to identify and exploit targets. In your case, it sounds like your conductor was a Karen.
It's a public location. End of story. There would be more security cameras within 100feet filming you than this dude on a train. You have more police, more army, bigger secret service (in fact more than one) than Nazi Germany had. I hardly think a dude with a camera on a train is invading anyone's 'luxury’ space.
There is no security benefit from banning people from filming in public. If you ban people from openly filming, then bad actors can easily film secretly with hidden cameras. Unless you intend to search everyone for hidden cameras, then banning filming only hurts honest people.
Banning filming inside secure areas where you can check people for cameras makes sense, but unenforceable bans only serve to harass people who mean no harm.
@@xr6lad Well it's not that simple. Your technically not allowed to film on Port Authority property. That includes PATH trains, the airports some of the bridges and tunnels and the World Trade Center. They can arrest you. They are allowed to do it because they have their own police and are a public authority and don't receive taxpayer money.
@@rrrglynn the MTA isn't a PA agency. In fact, agencies within the PANYNJ don't even like people who work for the MTA. And they don't cooperate very well either.
@@goobthe3rd I know that the MTA isn't part of the PA. I was replying to "It's a public location. End of story." That's not a valid assumption. I'm fully aware you can film on MTA and city property.
The conductor who told you that you couldn’t film was absolutely wrong. Federal courts have ruled that anyone can film on public transportation. Good that the supervisor knew the law.
Not universally. The Port Authority does not allow filming on PATH trains, and that action has been ruled legal.
FYI, it's officially the "Long Island Rail Road", likely the only US line that separates the word. Thanks for posting a great video of my hometown's railroad!
No, there's Delta Air Lines.
Great video as always. Suggestion, try Metro North!! Go to New Haven and get some great pizza!!
or a burger at Louie's Lunch!
New Haven has some nice pizza but anyone who claims it's better than NY pizza or that Frank Pepe's isn't trash is delusional.
Your actually normally not allowed to cross in between cars on LIRR and MTA trains
LIRR Bi Level coaches built by Kawasaki Rail Car, Inc., not by Bombardier. 7:24 time mark of the video clearly shows Kawasaki tag left side of the door.
Great video man. Glad you enjoyed the ride. Some conductors can be very ignorant though & other conductors are super nice.
Recording trains (aka railfanning) is perfectly legal. The transit employees who seriously think that railfanning is illegal and attack people for it just blow my mind. These people don’t live in reality 😂
Transit employees in NYC are generally a horrible lot. The union ensures they can never get fired despite their atrocious attitude.
I hope you will do a voiceover as soon as posible, because I miss all the nice video trying to read the subtitles
I know this railroad. My mom used to take it in to the city every day before the pandemic hit
The LIRR use to do freight too but it's now a separate sub company.
Many great trips on the LIRR went via Jamaica. Busiest train station in New York after Penn Station and Grand Central
Sorry you had an unpleasant experience with a conductor.
Thanks Thibault.😀😀💚💚
Nice video! Fun fact....those locomotives were built by EMD at the Super Steel Plant in Scotia, New York. The Plant is long gone.
I may be biased (probably because I’ve taken Metro North a lot more) but the LIRR is not too bad. Taking the LIRR during a snowstorm is pretty bad.
Also, filming on the LIRR is perfectly fine. Ignore any train crew that tell you that you’re not allowed. Same thing goes with Metro North and the Subway.
yea really you can't film trains, what is this the Soviet Union or something. The train crew can boot you off though so be nice
@@rochesterjohnny7555 the same can be said in the subway. I was harassed by some train operators saying I couldn't film.
@@rochesterjohnny7555 they can boot you off, but they can't stop you from just taking the next train.
Great video! The dryer is a Sloan EHD-120
You should have gone all the way to oyster bay. There is an abandoned station you can see on the way there that’s still intact and right on the tracks. It dates back to the 19th century
Your case with the conductor is absolutely same with common cases in Indonesia. Here, if you take a photo or videography, the station security will chase you. Then, they'll ask for deleting all you've taken before.
It's okay to ask a permission before, if you're planning to publish it on TH-cam. But in Indonesia, you'll still be chased, even if you take it just for a private collection.
Sorry for ruin your plan to try Indonesian trains, but that's the common issue. So just be careful.
Same in the Philippines and even one time I visited Dar es Salaam, Tanzania... I was there for a transportation conference! Guards armed with semi-automatic weapons came over when I took photos of the bus rapid transit station and watched over me as I deleted the photos from my phone. Even in Boston, I was warned by a train operator that the transit police were being called on me for my 'illegal' photography of trains. 🙃
@@Roboboy To be fair, if you're in the USA, and they get a call : "Someone is shooting the train" , they aren't thinking pictures.
@@nanderv savage
I used to ride the LIRR to and from work every day from about 2007 to 2019; I usually rode the M7's but took the C3's a few times. First, there's no excuse for what that conductor did. It used to be policy after 9/11 that you couldn't film on MTA trains but that policy was pretty publicly changed a few years back; I know that and it's not even my job to. It is this conductor's job, though. It's in their rules of conduct, 1050.9(c). Anyway, sorry that happened to you. A lot of MTA employees are jerks.
To me as someone who rode the LIRR every day, obviously it was nothing special, but we all find our own ways to make it comfortable and normal after a while. I'm 6'4" and it was always tough for me sitting next to someone in those seats, but I usually closed my eyes and listened to music. If I got a two-seater by myself (the M7's are 3+2 but have the same seats with the colors reversed), I'd stretch out diagonally. On normal commutes during normal times, those trains are usually at about 120% seating capacity, so you're always sitting next to somebody until they or you get off. I found that the C3's ride pretty well, whereas the M7's I always thought rode rough for new(ish) equipment, and they sway a lot too for single level equipment. Anyway I like the C3's and the cocoon-like feeling you can get if you've got two seats to yourself. And I like the way they look from the outside too, with the matching engine. You don't see that a lot anymore, anywhere in the world outside of a high speed train.
I wonder if you got to ride any M3's. I actually like those better than the M7's, even though they're old as dirt now. The C3's are probably my favorite LIRR cars right now, but I just didn't get to ride them often since they weren't on my regular line (I rode from Penn-Valley Stream, so Far Rockaway or Long Beach).
6:20. You were already on the main line .. Jamaica station is on the mainline.. it’s also the headquarters of the LIRR.. also weird it only had 3 coaches.. normally has 5. More for peak hours on most branches.
I forgot to mention that I think all of your videos are really excellent. You review trains in the USA for what they are. It's not Europe or Asia, but it is getting better.
Should add the patented Jeff Marshal Window Elbow Test.TM to your many seat checks! lol
Simply Railway if you are looking for a comparison between American and European third rail commuter rail units the best examples of this are LIRR & Metro-North M3 M7s & M9s vs 🇬🇧 Class 707, 376, 455,& 458. Combined third rail overhead units comparison are Metro-North railroad New Haven line M8 vs 🇬🇧 377, 378,710,319 717 & 700. One thing that long island railroad needs is a Alstom Coradia Polyvalent dual mode emu that can go all the way from Oyster Bay to New York Penn Station via East Williston & Mineola. Your DM30AC & C3 coaches usually operate towards Montauk Point during the summer operating on the mainline to Bethpage Junction where they go on the Central Branch from Bethpage to Babylon where it's the Montauk Branch All the Way to Montauk Point. 750v DC Third rail contact is used on Long Island Railroad just like United Kingdom but bottom contact third rail 750v DC is on Metro North. C3 Odd cars have restrooms in them like M7 & M9s
A little bit of history. From 1900 to 1949, the Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) was a subsidiary of the once-proud Pennsylvania Railroad empire. From the G-5 4-6-0's to even the signal plant, the Long Island truly looked like it's parent railroad, the PRR. While most evidence of the PRR legacy is long gone, the LIRR in places still has position light signals. I don't know if those are original, or replacements, but, they certainly remind you of the days when the PRR was the parent for the LIRR.
Oh god… I ride this branch often, 3-5 times a week and I recognized this conductor just by her voice. I guess she only works on the Oyster Bay Branch, but she by far my least favorite conductor to get. She is always impatient and annoying. She’ll often ask for my ticket after she had already taken it, demand I get up and move all my stuff forward a car to exit even through there’s still 10 minutes to the last stop, and will pick fights over tiny rules (can’t have my backpack on the seat beside me cause other passengers may want to sit, meanwhile the train is 90% empty).
You got Unlucky dude.
as a Brazilian, is interesting to me see a commuter train with toilets. Like, this ride take 20 minutes, here in my region we have a commuter line that takes around 2 hours and the trains don't have a toilet lol
The ride from Jamaica to Montauk, on the same coaches, takes three hours.
Another great report! Sounds like the typical East Coast hospitality haha.
Let's not involve the entire East Coast: perhaps the typical NYCity hospitality.
Let's not involve the entire East Coast: perhaps the typical NYCity hospitality.
I have taken the LIRR to Montauk, LOVE IT.
The conductor elicited very poor customer service. She probably won’t last very long at her job, or any job, with that type of behavior. Glad her supervisor was involved. You should write a letter informing the powers to be about your negative experience and how several thousand of your viewers got to see LIRR’s poor customer service. I bet you will DEFINITELY get a formal written apology then! Love your videos! Don’t be discouraged. Keep them coming!
Hi Simply Railway , Nice Video and beautiful train, i'm Also took The Lirr from jamaica to penn Station in May 2019 but my Train was the M7 and luckily i haven't problems with the conductor, I recommend you to send a complaint to MTA, for the rude behavior of the conductor
Thank you for this video! I like it very much. Thumbs up and Like1274
Amazing video! When COVID has passed, have you thought of taking VIA Rail’s Canadian service? It goes all the way from Toronto to Vancouver over 4 days using classic 1950s Budd equipment.
Of course...
Lol pitiful
the reason those coaches are so short is because of the small clearances into penn station, since the tunnels are very old. it was decided that buying shorter coaches would be significantly cheaper than extending the tunnel roof. new jersey transit's multilevel cars are also shorter than most bilevel cars
Boa viagem ai simply lindo tren gostei trem 2 andares gostei simply Railwal show
Great Video btw 💪
Jamaica is in QUEENS, not Brooklyn. The C3 Coaches are designed that way to fit into the East River Tunnels and the confines of the Penn Station tracks and platforms. The LIRR tried bi-level designs as far back as the late 1930's and 1940's. The idea is to get people from here to there quickly and as comfortably as possible given the normal passenger load.
You wanted a New Yorker to apologize??!! Hahahahahahaha. New Yorkers do not apologize old chap.
They do apologize, they just don't apologize when they don't mean it.
Jamaica also has connections to the NYC subway and the JFK air train.
I hope you did bolth the M7, and then the NH M8, which is supreme (exept I dont particularly like the color scheme or seats on the M8). Love your videos!
Believe me, the transit in NYC is way cheaper that taxis and Uber/Lyft. You could end up paying twice, or even three times as much to ride a taxi instead of commuter rail.
My local branch of the lirr is the Port Washington branch, which is the only lirr branch not to connect at Jamaica!
Just one correction... (5m21s mark) All current LIRR trains (including the old M1's coming back into service) have a power outlet (more than one actually). Instead of just a few at the door seats (or at the door seats and mid car), the M9's have ones at every seat.
I think you meant to say "Every train *seat* should have a power outlet"?
Regardless, sadly, no, the M9's are not replacing all of the older rolling stock.
Anyway, cool vid!
Commuters On The LIRR know how to sleep on the trip and never miss their stop home lol .. takes a few years to master it but don't need an announcement from the Conductor. Those that know, know lol
It helps if you live near the last stop.
Wow that conductor was a real Karan