Notre Dame 9-3, Tulane 11-2, Oklahoma 10-2, Iowa 6-2 (COVID year), Iowa 9-3, WVU 8-3 These are the Rank #16 teams before going into bowl season for the last 6 years Yeah, I'd LOVE to watch Bama or Ohio State play Tulane or Iowa in a playoff game :/
There's so many Tulane and Iowa fans out there with sugar plum fairies in their heads thinking it'll be them who gets in, even though they belong to a pack of about 70 teams competing for those last few spots. And if they don't get that spot cuz they lose one or two more games, what was their season for? It's supposed to be about your rivalries, a shot at defeating your annual bully, and bullying your little brothers.
@@voiceofreason2674this is so true but it’s just absolutely crazy to an Iowa or Tulane or.. Texas Tech fan that we’ll be left no raft from schools like Rutgers or Vanderbilt or northwestern
@@voiceofreason2674 For the voice of reason you really dont know your history..... You can act like Tulane is a cinderella and will never compete with the big bad SEC and B10, yet as of this year little ol Tulane has more SEC Conference Titles than 9 TEAMS IN THE SEC........ Makes you wonder how tf 50% of the teams in the SEC justify their superiority to the sugar plum fairies.
The more teams that are in, the less the regular season and/or Conference Championships will mean. Make no mistake, expansion is about money. Expansion does not improve the games, the competition, or give us a better champion...it just generates more money. Some folks are already theorizing 9-3 or even 8-4 teams getting in...that's just nuts.
I have always supported 12 teams. But the P4 championship games need to go away now. They won’t because of money but they should. G5 championships should stay because only one of them can go so it will help resumes
If the regular season matters so much how is it that 24 teams have gone undefeated in the last 25 years and never played for a title game? Or how about the fact that 10 non-conference champions have made the title game/playoffs in the last 25 years. Not to mention the several times teams lost head to head to teams in contention for a title game, only for the loser to magically make the game over the winner.
It SHOULD expand to 24, going 9-3 is a great season for teams and is a higher win percentage than every major conference teams' all time percentage. Post season football is just bonus football, you should give teams that had a good season a chance to play in the invitational. Conference championships and rivalry wins are always the most important thing, people are told the postseason matters more strictly because it makes people money. Everyone plays 9 conference games, the 9-3 Power conference teams and 10-2 G5 teams make the playoff.
I like the playoffs but even 12 is too much. I like around 8. 16 team playoffs, we will have teams taking 2 games as bye weeks. Even a 4 loss team with a good track record like Alabama would get in over a 3 loss Vanderbilt 😆
Seems like you prefer tournaments to playoffs. Football and basketball are very different sports. I, for one, do not want football to become more like basketball. I think 12 teams borders on too many, and I am sure 24 is way too many. But I will acknowledge that once the new format begins, and the powers that be see how much money can be made, further expansion will occur. The only questions will be "when" and "how many more".@@ThreadAndCircuses1
I have been watching college football for 26 years (my entire life, grandma locked my roller wheels as an infant and played Notre Dame VHS tapes instead of watching cartoons) and I am sick and tired of the sport I have watched for 2 and half decades become a bag chase. This just embodies the monopolized society we have acclimated to in our lifetime. You made all the points I have wanted to say in one 9 minute video. Where did the amateurism go? Why even play starters for more than 1 quarter in the first 4 games of the season since you can play redshirt players that far into the season? Especially if you are in the SEC/B10 cause you can go 8-4 and still get in? Heck with 16, a team that goes 7-5 may make it one year… We are straying so far from the game I grew to love, it would take a LOT to get me to stop watching this game, but in the last 3 years we have taken gargantuan steps toward moving the sport to unwatchable status. It makes me uneasy and at this point feels completely irreversible all because no one is even creating a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Tampering in the transfer portal, a governing body with a backbone of a gummy bear, basically no limitations to NIL. What even is this sport? It’s completely unrecognizable… travesty is the word I would use to describe what has happened in such a short amount of time to college football.
When we still had a Power5, I'd have gone with a 6 team playoff - 5 conference champs and the highest ranked from the rest. But no. Frankly, I'd prefer no playoff at all. Win your conference; go to some bowl game; and then argue with other fans about which team was best. That was a lot more fun then anything we've done since.
@@greenwave819 So? I'd rather all the strongest programs not glom together in 1 or 2 conferences. If they do then they shouldn't complain about how hard it is to get in whatever championship playoff there is. 5 or 6 balanced conference, regional preferably, would make for better CFB.
8 teams WAS the obvious structure. 5 conference champs and 3 at-large bids. Now, I think 16 is the correct number since their is so much talent nowadays. The brackets work out better with those numbers too.
@@molonlabe9602 Well the G5, actually submitted for an 8 team playoff prior to the 2009 season. But no....... the P6 (AQ Conferences) thought it wasnt going to enable them to maintain as much control over the sport so here we are.
Should be no playoff or a 24 team playoff. Everyone plays 9 conference games, all the big conference 9-3 teams will make the playoff (about 19 per year) and 5 lower conference teams that go 10-2 or better. Higher seed plays home games until final 4.
The reason they complain is because it's never been a true playoff/championship. It's always been a beauty contest. I don't care if there are 12 or 16 teams as long as there's no selection committee. Every playoff spot needs to be earned. If it's earned, then there's no complaining. The problem that D1 college football has had for a long time, is that it's always been a beauty contest. Pollsters, writers, coaches, appointed officials, etc., CHOOOSE who get's the privilege to play for the title. Almost every level of football, from pee wee to high school, to the pros, have a true legitimate playoff system, except for Division 1; because of the money. So I don't care if there are 4, or 12, or 16, or 24 teams, in the CFP; as long as it's earned and decided on the field. It can be done...it's a matter of will.
@@randombutrelevant Thin margins of error? Yeah like how you can go undefeated and have 0 error, but magically thats inferior to SEC teams who lost games.
Don't they realize what makes College Football so popular is the importance of the regular season. If they keeping adding spots it will go the way of NCAA basketball where nobody cares until the tournament. 12 seems "ok" with the 4 bye's, but it should only be 4 conference spots and if the G5 is in the top 12 then they get in.
Yeah if you truly think the regular season is important you have not been watching college football.... Case in point look at the last 25 years: 98 - Tulane goes undefeated but it doesnt matter 99 - Marshall goes undefeated but it doesnt matter 00 - FSU literally loses to Miami in season, but makes the title over them somehow 01 - Nebraska gets blown out by Colorado last game of the season, but Nebraska still makes the title over PAC champ and CU 02 - 03 - Oklahoma gets blown out by Kansas State, but OU still makes the title over literally #1 Pac Champ USC 04 - 5 teams went undefeated in a 2 team post season 05 - 06 - Boise State goes undefeated but it doesnt matter 07 - Hawaii goes undefeated but it doesnt matter; Georgia has the best record in the SEC, but they dont make the SEC conference title; theres a 3 way tie in the B12 with OU, Mizz and KU; KU has a better record than 7 teams in front of them, but that doesnt matter. 7 of the top 8 teams had the same record, but we tried to solve this with again a 2 team post season 08 - Utah and Boise State goes undefeated but it doesnt matter; UT literally beats OU, but OU gets selected to play for the conference title over UT; PAC has a 3 way tie for first in their conference 09 - 5 teams went undefeated in a 2 team post season; Boise State goes undefeated for the 5th time in 8 seasons, including 3 times in 4 years and still doesnt make it 10 - TCU goes undefeated in back to back seasons, but it doesnt matter - even though they literally outranked both teams that made the title at the start of the season 11 - LSU beats Alabama, but Alabama still makes the title game despite 3 other teams with the same record as Alabama that actually won their conferences 12 - Ohio State goes undefeated but it doesnt matter 13 - 14 - TCU is ranked to make the playoff, wins two more games then gets removed from the playoffs; Ohio State gets blown out early in the season by VT but somehow losing by 3 to #6 is worse than losing by 17 to an unranked team 15 - 16 - WMU goes undefeated, but it doesnt matter; Penn State beats Ohio State and wins the B10, but Ohio State still makes the title over them 17 - UCF goes undefeated, but it doesnt matter; Auburn beats Alabama and wins the SEC West, but Alabama still makes the title over both Auburn and UCF 18 - UCF goes undefeated in back to back seasons, but it doesnt matter 19 - 20 - UC and CCU go undefeated, but it doesnt matter; Clemson and ND trade wins, Clemson wins the ACC but ND still makes the title game 21 - Alabama beats Georgia and wins the SEC, but Georgia still makes the title game anyways 22 - Michigan beats Ohio State and wins the B10, but Ohio State still makes the title game anyways. KSU beats TCU and wins the B12, but TCU still makes the title game anyways 23 - FSU and Liberty goes undefeated, but it doesnt matter So unless you have been watching college football only in 2002, 2005, 2013, 2015 and 2019; your claim of the importance of the regular season is complete nonsense.
" if the G5 is in the top 12 then they get in." Why this stipulation? Its gonna be problematic to make this argument when you have teams such as 2014 Boise State, 2015 UH, 2020 CCU, and 2022 Tulane literally beating Top 10 P5 teams. None of these G5 teams were ranked in the Top 12 - oh and btw none of them lost 3 games either.
Actually his claim is completely accurate. First you failed to consider the differences in how the rankings worked via polls in some years vs the CFP. Secondly, and more important is that "who you play" all year, each week matters. Not just one game in a given year. We already understand that going undefeated is great. BUT, we also understand that going undefeated in the SEC or B1G is a completely different animal than almost every other conference. That's why we can, and should, overlook an undefeated UCF or Tulane in any given year, because they play a weak conference schedule and probably a weak non-conference schedule. If you don't want to be overlooked, schedule better opponents, and win those games.@@MattBuild4
12 feels good, honestly once you keep going the drop off is significant. Honestly, 1 and 12 are significant, but that’s where the line should’ve been drawn. 8 teams is probably the perfect number where you have the biggest playoff and best competition
@@cellamuertright! Also, parity would come along eventually, because it wouldn’t be 12 schools getting the best talent. They could also do a double bye. 9-16 play, those 4 winners play against 5-8, throw 4 winners play 1-4. I’m sure they’ll end up messing with the format year to year or over time.
What if you go against all of the best teams like Georgia, FSU, and Ohio State in your schedule and you end up with 2 losses, even if you are a top 8 team you would get the boot from the playoffs just because your schedule was deadly. In the NFL teams make the playoffs at 5 losses and win the SB. 2-3 loss teams should have a chance, but the top 4 or so teams should get some reward such as a home game or bye week.
Move to a 13 game regular season schedule. 10 conference and 3 non-con. Eliminate Conference Championship Games. Champ is crowned in the regular season, co-champs if necessary. 7 Wins for a bowl game. 12 Team playoff is perfect, just work out the qualifiers.
I've wanted 8 or 16 teams since they started talking about it, prefer 16 with No Byes and minimize regular season rematches. Everyone has to play their way forward.
They pushed us down the slope... Now we are out of control and I don't know what's gonna happen when we hit the bottom. Might just be that people like me stop watching the sport. Maybe if my old PS2 or PS3 are still working by then I will just stick in one of my old college football video games from back in the day and remember how good the sport was back then. Because one day that might be the only way I can enjoy it anymore. :(
Let's just skip all the steps in between and just jump to the end. Why not just make the whole season the playoffs? Why not just put all teams in one conference? That is where we are heading.
The playoff should have always been at 6. 5 conference champion bids and one at large. It needs to mean something serious if you make the playoff. We’re losing that
@@greenwave819 Seeding isn’t even done in a clear predictable way. I’d rather take a risk of being a 4 seed than lose my running back and drop to 14 in following weeks. Ask Florida State.
I don’t see 16 teams any time soon. I think the bye is a valuable reward for teams. For example, many of the conference championships will determine who gets that bye.
16 team playoff with 2 bye rounds for top 4 conference champions and top 4 at large. Includes 8 conference champs and 8 at large. The top 4 conference champs would get two byes, the top 4 at large would get 1 bye. However, if it is very necessary to not include group of 5 teams, then make it either 8 or 12 team playoff with 4 conference champs and 4 or 8 at large. Trying to include only 1 group of 5 and expanding at large without adding conference champs is what ruins it for me
I don't care if there are 12 or 16 teams as long as there's no selection committee. Every playoff spot needs to be earned. The problem that D1 college football has had for a long time is that it's always been a beauty contest. Pollsters, writers, coaches, appointed officials, etc., CHOOOSE who get's the privilege to play for the title. Almost every level of football, from pee wee to high school, to the pros, have a true legitimate playoff system, except for Division 1; because of the money. So I don't care if there are 4, or 12, or 16, or 24 teams, in the CFP; as long as it's earned and decided on the field. It can be done...it's a matter of will.
100% decide it on the field. For any Champion to be legitimate, they have to run the gauntlet of regular season. And then get into a real playoff tournament based on predetermined criteria that is decided by wins on the field! If we need to form 8 new divisions or 16 divisions and take the top two teams from each to the playoffs, so be it. Eliminate the conference championship games because they provide no benefit to a real tournament. We do this funnel in high school every year. The high school State championship games crown the true champs every time. 🏆
Reactionary takes, josh. Just like the college basketball tournament, the football tournament will get lots of eyeballs and conference fan buy ins as their conference will be in the fight!
Growth, …just like the NBA who keeps making their regular season games less meaningful and have seen that awesome negative $ growth… there will be less interest in college football if too many teams get into the playoffs. 8 is the sweet spot, but seems we’re well beyond that.
Even this year the ads during the games were just too much. Next thing you know they'll be interrupting the game to bring a star player off the field to push product a
I don't understand why so many people are crying about expansion to 12 or 16 and making the regular season not mean anything. Still like a quarter of the teams in March madness for basketball. Why is that celebrated and the sky is falling when it happens in football??? It's not like the teams care about the bowl games that are not in the CFP anymore with all the opt outs every year so incorporating more into he playoff structure will encourage more players to finish out the year with their team. Maybe won't change much in the long run. Don't expect a 12 seed to win it all very often if ever but it could happen and that adds a lot of interest in the playoffs for me and many others...especially having more fanbases represented in the playoffs each year
12 is probably the perfect number 14 could be good too, 16 would be too much but it’s the absolute max amount you could have with out totally ruining the sport.
Only a matter of time since now players are getting paid now for the NCCA to increase revenue by increasing the playoff games and followed by increasing regular season games. 5 years from now the NFL and NCAA will be identical 16 to 18 regular season games and 3 to 4 playoff rounds , hell wouldnt suprise me if the NCAA adds pre season games.
IMO there must be 2 top tier divisions with 64 schools in each. D1 & D2 each would be separated into 8 - 8 school regional divisions and a 16 team PO for both D1 & D2. Now 2 championships in the offering, & back to regional connections. Goodbye to all conferences along with the bloated salaries of the conference administrations. I believe this would be the best way to move forward. Bowls should be part of the past.
What sucks is the Ohio State vs Michigan game is very diluted now. With 12 Playoff the Buckeyes and Wolverines could play actually each other 3 times. Last reg season game, B1G Championship and Playoff. Should just have playoff with every Conference Champion only. Don't win your conference? Then you don't go to playoffs. IMHO. Problem solved.
It was fine at four teams. Capitalists are just tearing cfb apart. It’s to the point where there are major changes every single year. It sucks big time. I still like watching the bowl games before the four team playoff.
Everything has been getting weirder in college football I really just want to watch some good games . Just good college football games and a affordable place and way to watch them . l am a pretty simple guy getting older and simple a nice streaming app would be cool for all the games . Go Blue !
The regular season becomes more and more meaningless with every team added to the playoff. At some point this will turn into NCAAB where no one cares until March.
What makes college football great is that it's college football. For the naysayers who think that an expanded playoff will kill the sport: the championship model doesn't really matter. The reason I say this is because college football has ALWAYS had a stupid system (polls, BCS, etc.) and it's never not been awesome. If you can't get past it, see yuh later. The sport will live on and thrive.
I have said and will keep saying the perfect playoff platform would have been 6 teams. 4 auto bids for the 4 power conference champions, the power 5 is done, and 2 at large bids. This way the regular season means more. Right now with 12 teams a team from one of the power conferences can lose 3 games and say oh well we still get into the playoffs. That is horrible for the game.
The thing about your format is it may be better than 4 but the less teams there are, the less likely the committee will have the brain cells to put your team in no matter how good they are. As an FSU fan, I learned this the hard way. I think twelve makes room for more than just undefeated teams, so you have something to play for after you lose a game or two. I don’t think the playoffs should go past twelve though. Edit: Also what if a bad team has an easy schedule or a great team has a difficult one. Having a game against a team like Georgia could be a season ender even if you are one of the 4 best teams in the country in this 4 team playoff.
So if Memphis beats FSU, Tulane beats Oklahoma, App State beats Clemson or Boise State beats Oregon, do you know what the liklihood of these teams making the Top 6 are even if they go undefeated? 1/16000. Because the league will argue it was just one game, or they dont play as good of teams throughout the season or it was a fluke or whatever.... FFS, 06-11 Boise State went 75-7 with wins over the B12 Champ, PAC Champx2, ACC Champ and SEC East Champ. Do you know how many times this team got ranked in the Top 5 before bowls? They went undefeated 3 times in this run - they only got ranked in the Top 5 once before bowls.
I'll never understand the parasocial obsession that some fans have with the business economics of the conference their favorite college football team plays for. It's almost Pavlovian.
Also, when a conference has co-champs I view it as the conference being soooo good that 2-3 teams can win it in the same year. What? Your conference only has ONE champion? Losers lol
The auto qualifiers make no sense! It needs to be the top 12 teams and being a conference champ is a factor into the rankings.. but having a #22 team qualify over a team in the top 12 because they won a lesser conference is just wrong.. top 12 teams in and let the committee take the games they won into consideration
The problem is historically G5 teams get shafted in the rankings for no logical reason...... Plus I love how this is such a concern now, given that historically the G5 also got shafted where they would straight up beat P5 teams in the regular season only for P5 teams to be ranked behind them and still make a major bowl game over them....
4 team playoff was a mistake when you had 5 major conferences and 6 smaller + independents in FBS The immediate jump to 12 overnight seemed inconceivable. I fail to see any reasonable argument to jump all the way to 12. That being said why wouldn't they jump ahead and pick a number from a hat? The conferences will need a playoff just to crown a champ anymore. Ladies & gentlemen presenting the 2026 college football championship as determined by the Supreme Court...
Football is a spirit of competition. If that spirit no longer exists on the field the new generation will seek it through the sports betting apps on their phone.
It’s football. They already play 13 weeks before the playoffs and you have players pushing through injuries they shouldn’t be playing on or teams on their 3rd and 4th string in multiple positions from injury as it is come December. Then add 4-6 more weeks to these kids schedule it’s just gonna become who has the best backups teams will simply run out of gas you won’t even get to see the actual matchups you anticipate. Ontop of that these kids are college students who will have had finals and practiced every day and had games all throughout break and well into the next semester.. many of them commit to schools across the country your asking them to not see their friends and family back home for 3/4 of the year. It’s cool in basketball and would be great in theory in a EA college football video game tournament, but there’s infinite reasons why a 16+ team playoff in college football would be brutal
Also there is no Cinderella story’s in football especially after 13 weeks. A 16 seed is simply not as strong, fast, or deep as 1 seed all the time. This year the #1 vs #16 ( first round game) would’ve been Liberty vs Michigan…. Your sending those kids to the slaughter
If the powers that be are so determined to make more money than they need to take care of paying the performers ( players) and quit making fans foot the bill for them
It’s 8 bc 1-4 has a bye and there is 4 games. That’s how I see it. Past the 12 team is ridiculous. How is #16 going to play against #1. I’ll answer. GA vs TCU last year. Useless game that could potentially cause life changing injuries
College Football is on life support because of NIL and transfer portal and now they are trying to pull the plug and kill the sport totally by expanding the playoffs even more. RIP college football!
I've been a proponent for 16 teams for a while. 2 from each power 5 (before the collapse of the Pac12) and 6 at-large. I was genuinely shocked that they went to 12 teams so fast. Get rid of the first round byes and play more games on campus. DII has had 28 teams in theirs for years. I dont think DI should expand that far, but I think 16 is a good sweet spot. Hell, DI hockey has 16 teams in their playoff and they have far fewer teams to pick from.
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You know you’re a true student of PSU when they play a clip from 2 years ago and you remember it word for word as if you watched it yesterday
I go to psu and I even hate this program…. 3-16 against top ten teams…. Go back in your hole and hide🤣🤣 MICHIGAN ON TOP
@@Jrm-xs9qi yeah…. Thankfully I’m a TN fan 😂
Around these parts PSU = Pate State Univeristy
@@greenwave819 GBO!
@@Jrm-xs9qihe’s referring to Pate State University lmao
This is why some of us said the playoff is a slippery slope. They will never be satisfied. It will never be enough. But what do we know?
Notre Dame 9-3, Tulane 11-2, Oklahoma 10-2, Iowa 6-2 (COVID year), Iowa 9-3, WVU 8-3
These are the Rank #16 teams before going into bowl season for the last 6 years
Yeah, I'd LOVE to watch Bama or Ohio State play Tulane or Iowa in a playoff game :/
@@cellamuert - I guess you don't remember 42-14 huh
You would watch them try to upset Ohio State on the road for a chance to advance.
There's so many Tulane and Iowa fans out there with sugar plum fairies in their heads thinking it'll be them who gets in, even though they belong to a pack of about 70 teams competing for those last few spots. And if they don't get that spot cuz they lose one or two more games, what was their season for? It's supposed to be about your rivalries, a shot at defeating your annual bully, and bullying your little brothers.
@@voiceofreason2674this is so true but it’s just absolutely crazy to an Iowa or Tulane or.. Texas Tech fan that we’ll be left no raft from schools like Rutgers or Vanderbilt or northwestern
@@voiceofreason2674 For the voice of reason you really dont know your history..... You can act like Tulane is a cinderella and will never compete with the big bad SEC and B10, yet as of this year little ol Tulane has more SEC Conference Titles than 9 TEAMS IN THE SEC........
Makes you wonder how tf 50% of the teams in the SEC justify their superiority to the sugar plum fairies.
The more teams that are in, the less the regular season and/or Conference Championships will mean. Make no mistake, expansion is about money. Expansion does not improve the games, the competition, or give us a better champion...it just generates more money. Some folks are already theorizing 9-3 or even 8-4 teams getting in...that's just nuts.
I have always supported 12 teams. But the P4 championship games need to go away now. They won’t because of money but they should. G5 championships should stay because only one of them can go so it will help resumes
If the regular season matters so much how is it that 24 teams have gone undefeated in the last 25 years and never played for a title game? Or how about the fact that 10 non-conference champions have made the title game/playoffs in the last 25 years.
Not to mention the several times teams lost head to head to teams in contention for a title game, only for the loser to magically make the game over the winner.
It SHOULD expand to 24, going 9-3 is a great season for teams and is a higher win percentage than every major conference teams' all time percentage. Post season football is just bonus football, you should give teams that had a good season a chance to play in the invitational. Conference championships and rivalry wins are always the most important thing, people are told the postseason matters more strictly because it makes people money. Everyone plays 9 conference games, the 9-3 Power conference teams and 10-2 G5 teams make the playoff.
I like the playoffs but even 12 is too much. I like around 8. 16 team playoffs, we will have teams taking 2 games as bye weeks. Even a 4 loss team with a good track record like Alabama would get in over a 3 loss Vanderbilt 😆
Seems like you prefer tournaments to playoffs. Football and basketball are very different sports. I, for one, do not want football to become more like basketball. I think 12 teams borders on too many, and I am sure 24 is way too many. But I will acknowledge that once the new format begins, and the powers that be see how much money can be made, further expansion will occur. The only questions will be "when" and "how many more".@@ThreadAndCircuses1
Josh, you hammered this nail. Thank you.
I have been watching college football for 26 years (my entire life, grandma locked my roller wheels as an infant and played Notre Dame VHS tapes instead of watching cartoons) and I am sick and tired of the sport I have watched for 2 and half decades become a bag chase. This just embodies the monopolized society we have acclimated to in our lifetime. You made all the points I have wanted to say in one 9 minute video. Where did the amateurism go? Why even play starters for more than 1 quarter in the first 4 games of the season since you can play redshirt players that far into the season? Especially if you are in the SEC/B10 cause you can go 8-4 and still get in? Heck with 16, a team that goes 7-5 may make it one year… We are straying so far from the game I grew to love, it would take a LOT to get me to stop watching this game, but in the last 3 years we have taken gargantuan steps toward moving the sport to unwatchable status. It makes me uneasy and at this point feels completely irreversible all because no one is even creating a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Tampering in the transfer portal, a governing body with a backbone of a gummy bear, basically no limitations to NIL. What even is this sport? It’s completely unrecognizable… travesty is the word I would use to describe what has happened in such a short amount of time to college football.
When we still had a Power5, I'd have gone with a 6 team playoff - 5 conference champs and the highest ranked from the rest. But no. Frankly, I'd prefer no playoff at all. Win your conference; go to some bowl game; and then argue with other fans about which team was best. That was a lot more fun then anything we've done since.
@@greenwave819 So? I'd rather all the strongest programs not glom together in 1 or 2 conferences. If they do then they shouldn't complain about how hard it is to get in whatever championship playoff there is. 5 or 6 balanced conference, regional preferably, would make for better CFB.
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8 teams WAS the obvious structure. 5 conference champs and 3 at-large bids. Now, I think 16 is the correct number since their is so much talent nowadays. The brackets work out better with those numbers too.
@@molonlabe9602 Well the G5, actually submitted for an 8 team playoff prior to the 2009 season. But no....... the P6 (AQ Conferences) thought it wasnt going to enable them to maintain as much control over the sport so here we are.
Should be no playoff or a 24 team playoff. Everyone plays 9 conference games, all the big conference 9-3 teams will make the playoff (about 19 per year) and 5 lower conference teams that go 10-2 or better. Higher seed plays home games until final 4.
Move to 12 team playoffs, teams 13 & 14 will complain. Move to 16 teams, 17 & 18 will whine
16 is a much better number. No bye weeks, everyone has to play. A March madness esk CFP will be fun.
@@zachellenburg5738no. God, no.
@@zachellenburg5738*esque
The reason they complain is because it's never been a true playoff/championship. It's always been a beauty contest. I don't care if there are 12 or 16 teams as long as there's no selection committee. Every playoff spot needs to be earned. If it's earned, then there's no complaining. The problem that D1 college football has had for a long time, is that it's always been a beauty contest. Pollsters, writers, coaches, appointed officials, etc., CHOOOSE who get's the privilege to play for the title. Almost every level of football, from pee wee to high school, to the pros, have a true legitimate playoff system, except for Division 1; because of the money. So I don't care if there are 4, or 12, or 16, or 24 teams, in the CFP; as long as it's earned and decided on the field. It can be done...it's a matter of will.
@@chopkong - that is good in theory, but...there is a reason that ND, Oklahoma and every Cinderella story have crapped the best in the playoff.
Money rules over integrity, sanity and everything else.
Jost Pate is 100% right on the playoffs. Expanding the playoffs may ruin the sport forever.
This sport has been an absolute dumpster fire for a long while......
@@randombutrelevant Thin margins of error? Yeah like how you can go undefeated and have 0 error, but magically thats inferior to SEC teams who lost games.
Don't they realize what makes College Football so popular is the importance of the regular season. If they keeping adding spots it will go the way of NCAA basketball where nobody cares until the tournament. 12 seems "ok" with the 4 bye's, but it should only be 4 conference spots and if the G5 is in the top 12 then they get in.
Yeah if you truly think the regular season is important you have not been watching college football.... Case in point look at the last 25 years:
98 - Tulane goes undefeated but it doesnt matter
99 - Marshall goes undefeated but it doesnt matter
00 - FSU literally loses to Miami in season, but makes the title over them somehow
01 - Nebraska gets blown out by Colorado last game of the season, but Nebraska still makes the title over PAC champ and CU
02 -
03 - Oklahoma gets blown out by Kansas State, but OU still makes the title over literally #1 Pac Champ USC
04 - 5 teams went undefeated in a 2 team post season
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06 - Boise State goes undefeated but it doesnt matter
07 - Hawaii goes undefeated but it doesnt matter; Georgia has the best record in the SEC, but they dont make the SEC conference title; theres a 3 way tie in the B12 with OU, Mizz and KU; KU has a better record than 7 teams in front of them, but that doesnt matter. 7 of the top 8 teams had the same record, but we tried to solve this with again a 2 team post season
08 - Utah and Boise State goes undefeated but it doesnt matter; UT literally beats OU, but OU gets selected to play for the conference title over UT; PAC has a 3 way tie for first in their conference
09 - 5 teams went undefeated in a 2 team post season; Boise State goes undefeated for the 5th time in 8 seasons, including 3 times in 4 years and still doesnt make it
10 - TCU goes undefeated in back to back seasons, but it doesnt matter - even though they literally outranked both teams that made the title at the start of the season
11 - LSU beats Alabama, but Alabama still makes the title game despite 3 other teams with the same record as Alabama that actually won their conferences
12 - Ohio State goes undefeated but it doesnt matter
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14 - TCU is ranked to make the playoff, wins two more games then gets removed from the playoffs; Ohio State gets blown out early in the season by VT but somehow losing by 3 to #6 is worse than losing by 17 to an unranked team
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16 - WMU goes undefeated, but it doesnt matter; Penn State beats Ohio State and wins the B10, but Ohio State still makes the title over them
17 - UCF goes undefeated, but it doesnt matter; Auburn beats Alabama and wins the SEC West, but Alabama still makes the title over both Auburn and UCF
18 - UCF goes undefeated in back to back seasons, but it doesnt matter
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20 - UC and CCU go undefeated, but it doesnt matter; Clemson and ND trade wins, Clemson wins the ACC but ND still makes the title game
21 - Alabama beats Georgia and wins the SEC, but Georgia still makes the title game anyways
22 - Michigan beats Ohio State and wins the B10, but Ohio State still makes the title game anyways. KSU beats TCU and wins the B12, but TCU still makes the title game anyways
23 - FSU and Liberty goes undefeated, but it doesnt matter
So unless you have been watching college football only in 2002, 2005, 2013, 2015 and 2019; your claim of the importance of the regular season is complete nonsense.
" if the G5 is in the top 12 then they get in."
Why this stipulation?
Its gonna be problematic to make this argument when you have teams such as 2014 Boise State, 2015 UH, 2020 CCU, and 2022 Tulane literally beating Top 10 P5 teams. None of these G5 teams were ranked in the Top 12 - oh and btw none of them lost 3 games either.
Actually his claim is completely accurate. First you failed to consider the differences in how the rankings worked via polls in some years vs the CFP. Secondly, and more important is that "who you play" all year, each week matters. Not just one game in a given year. We already understand that going undefeated is great. BUT, we also understand that going undefeated in the SEC or B1G is a completely different animal than almost every other conference. That's why we can, and should, overlook an undefeated UCF or Tulane in any given year, because they play a weak conference schedule and probably a weak non-conference schedule. If you don't want to be overlooked, schedule better opponents, and win those games.@@MattBuild4
12 feels good, honestly once you keep going the drop off is significant. Honestly, 1 and 12 are significant, but that’s where the line should’ve been drawn. 8 teams is probably the perfect number where you have the biggest playoff and best competition
1 vs 16 will be a fricken blow out. There are no Cinderella football teams at the end of the season
@@cellamuertEvery single one of those would have been a blowout.
So? There'll be seven other games. I think you'll be fine
Basketball
@@kaijohnson5033 agreed
@@cellamuertright! Also, parity would come along eventually, because it wouldn’t be 12 schools getting the best talent. They could also do a double bye. 9-16 play, those 4 winners play against 5-8, throw 4 winners play 1-4. I’m sure they’ll end up messing with the format year to year or over time.
This was FANTASTIC!!! 💪🏼
Josh you are the champion for college football
As a Canadian fan of the show I would selfishly enjoy you talking about the CFL
This is ridiculous.
You can “sandbag” all season with 3-4 losses and then turn it on in the playoffs. Regular season games mean a lot less.
What if you go against all of the best teams like Georgia, FSU, and Ohio State in your schedule and you end up with 2 losses, even if you are a top 8 team you would get the boot from the playoffs just because your schedule was deadly. In the NFL teams make the playoffs at 5 losses and win the SB. 2-3 loss teams should have a chance, but the top 4 or so teams should get some reward such as a home game or bye week.
Josh is so red pilled 😤
NCAAF is the epitome of why monopolies are bad.
If they can do 16 and eliminate the selection committee . I am 100% for it.
Well said.
Anything big money touches quality decreases.
You’ve got 12 games to prove your worth. If you can’t win more than 9 of 12, youve proven you’re not good enough.
Move to a 13 game regular season schedule. 10 conference and 3 non-con. Eliminate Conference Championship Games. Champ is crowned in the regular season, co-champs if necessary. 7 Wins for a bowl game. 12 Team playoff is perfect, just work out the qualifiers.
I've wanted 8 or 16 teams since they started talking about it, prefer 16 with No Byes and minimize regular season rematches. Everyone has to play their way forward.
They pushed us down the slope... Now we are out of control and I don't know what's gonna happen when we hit the bottom. Might just be that people like me stop watching the sport. Maybe if my old PS2 or PS3 are still working by then I will just stick in one of my old college football video games from back in the day and remember how good the sport was back then. Because one day that might be the only way I can enjoy it anymore. :(
Let's just skip all the steps in between and just jump to the end. Why not just make the whole season the playoffs? Why not just put all teams in one conference? That is where we are heading.
What if we were there all along?🤯
So we are back in the bcs
Why even have a regular season?…
Ultimately make it like March Madness where all bowls are playoff games.
The playoff should have always been at 6. 5 conference champion bids and one at large. It needs to mean something serious if you make the playoff. We’re losing that
Is this a rerun from a year ago? :)
Let's just go all the way with this. No regular season, all teams included in the play-off, lose and you are out. Last team standing wins the natty.
“We devalue ourselves even as our bank account grows bigger…” Wow, so true.
I got tired of your show, but would listen more if you talked about the Winnipeg Blue Bombers!
Can’t wait to see teams rest players all season
@@greenwave819 Seeding isn’t even done in a clear predictable way. I’d rather take a risk of being a 4 seed than lose my running back and drop to 14 in following weeks. Ask Florida State.
I don’t see 16 teams any time soon. I think the bye is a valuable reward for teams. For example, many of the conference championships will determine who gets that bye.
16 team playoff with 2 bye rounds for top 4 conference champions and top 4 at large. Includes 8 conference champs and 8 at large. The top 4 conference champs would get two byes, the top 4 at large would get 1 bye. However, if it is very necessary to not include group of 5 teams, then make it either 8 or 12 team playoff with 4 conference champs and 4 or 8 at large. Trying to include only 1 group of 5 and expanding at large without adding conference champs is what ruins it for me
Follow-up, to get into the 16 team playoffs all 8 division winners and runner-up qualify. Only seeding in the tourney would be done by a committee.
Yes. And just eliminate conference championship game because they will just screw up everything
I don't care if there are 12 or 16 teams as long as there's no selection committee. Every playoff spot needs to be earned. The problem that D1 college football has had for a long time is that it's always been a beauty contest. Pollsters, writers, coaches, appointed officials, etc., CHOOOSE who get's the privilege to play for the title. Almost every level of football, from pee wee to high school, to the pros, have a true legitimate playoff system, except for Division 1; because of the money. So I don't care if there are 4, or 12, or 16, or 24 teams, in the CFP; as long as it's earned and decided on the field. It can be done...it's a matter of will.
100% decide it on the field. For any Champion to be legitimate, they have to run the gauntlet of regular season. And then get into a real playoff tournament based on predetermined criteria that is decided by wins on the field! If we need to form 8 new divisions or 16 divisions and take the top two teams from each to the playoffs, so be it. Eliminate the conference championship games because they provide no benefit to a real tournament. We do this funnel in high school every year. The high school State championship games crown the true champs every time. 🏆
The schools certainly need more money. Only 9 Div 1 schools had a profit from their athletic department last year.
Bring on a bigger playoff!!! It’s funny he says he loves CFB but ignores that the rest of CFB has bigger playoffs and the seasons still matter.
Reactionary takes, josh. Just like the college basketball tournament, the football tournament will get lots of eyeballs and conference fan buy ins as their conference will be in the fight!
And regular season college basketball doesnt mean anything
@@ChrisP348 Tell that to the B12 conference right now......
I thought 8 would've been perfect.. 12 is fine I guess.. 14-16 is too many imo..
Growth, …just like the NBA who keeps making their regular season games less meaningful and have seen that awesome negative $ growth… there will be less interest in college football if too many teams get into the playoffs.
8 is the sweet spot, but seems we’re well beyond that.
Even this year the ads during the games were just too much. Next thing you know they'll be interrupting the game to bring a star player off the field to push product a
We're gonna have to expand the rankings from 25 to 50, since near half of all ranked teams are going to the playoff....
Otherwise how'd we know who'd get the 16 bids?
I don't understand why so many people are crying about expansion to 12 or 16 and making the regular season not mean anything. Still like a quarter of the teams in March madness for basketball. Why is that celebrated and the sky is falling when it happens in football??? It's not like the teams care about the bowl games that are not in the CFP anymore with all the opt outs every year so incorporating more into he playoff structure will encourage more players to finish out the year with their team. Maybe won't change much in the long run. Don't expect a 12 seed to win it all very often if ever but it could happen and that adds a lot of interest in the playoffs for me and many others...especially having more fanbases represented in the playoffs each year
In about fifteen years 6-6 won’t mean bowl eligibility, it’ll mean playoff eligibility
I wish they would do like the FCS a 24 team playoff but won't get that but 14 or 16 sounds good but what we getting now is good for now
Follow the money…it will always show you the way. Although you may need a shower after the trip…
12 is probably the perfect number 14 could be good too, 16 would be too much but it’s the absolute max amount you could have with out totally ruining the sport.
64 team March Madness style bracket coming soon 😂
Over time, I think you are probably correct in your statement...but I for one, will be praying it doesn't get to that point.
Only a matter of time since now players are getting paid now for the NCCA to increase revenue by increasing the playoff games and followed by increasing regular season games. 5 years from now the NFL and NCAA will be identical 16 to 18 regular season games and 3 to 4 playoff rounds , hell wouldnt suprise me if the NCAA adds pre season games.
Good Show. The Playoffs have been a disaster.
Well how do we fix it
IMO there must be 2 top tier divisions with 64 schools in each. D1 & D2 each would be separated into 8 - 8 school regional divisions and a 16 team PO for both D1 & D2. Now 2 championships in the offering, & back to regional connections. Goodbye to all conferences along with the bloated salaries of the conference administrations. I believe this would be the best way to move forward. Bowls should be part of the past.
There could be a play in with some lower level conference winners that can play the 1 seed.
What sucks is the Ohio State vs Michigan game is very diluted now. With 12 Playoff the Buckeyes and Wolverines could play actually each other 3 times. Last reg season game, B1G Championship and Playoff. Should just have playoff with every Conference Champion only. Don't win your conference? Then you don't go to playoffs. IMHO. Problem solved.
It was fine at four teams. Capitalists are just tearing cfb apart. It’s to the point where there are major changes every single year. It sucks big time. I still like watching the bowl games before the four team playoff.
Literally everything is a slippery slope. Remember. Income tax was supposed to be temporary. It’s now 1/3 of your paycheck.
Everything has been getting weirder in college football I really just want to watch some good games . Just good college football games and a affordable place and way to watch them . l am a pretty simple guy getting older and simple a nice streaming app would be cool for all the games . Go Blue !
The CFP is becoming the Champions League
Shouldve stayed at 8 teams. Anything more than that and this happens.
The regular season becomes more and more meaningless with every team added to the playoff. At some point this will turn into NCAAB where no one cares until March.
What makes college football great is that it's college football. For the naysayers who think that an expanded playoff will kill the sport: the championship model doesn't really matter. The reason I say this is because college football has ALWAYS had a stupid system (polls, BCS, etc.) and it's never not been awesome. If you can't get past it, see yuh later. The sport will live on and thrive.
Expanding the ncaa men’s basketball tournament is a horrible idea
I have said and will keep saying the perfect playoff platform would have been 6 teams. 4 auto bids for the 4 power conference champions, the power 5 is done, and 2 at large bids. This way the regular season means more. Right now with 12 teams a team from one of the power conferences can lose 3 games and say oh well we still get into the playoffs. That is horrible for the game.
Right cuz the regular season means so much when 24 teams can go undefeated in the last 25 years and never make the championship?
The thing about your format is it may be better than 4 but the less teams there are, the less likely the committee will have the brain cells to put your team in no matter how good they are. As an FSU fan, I learned this the hard way. I think twelve makes room for more than just undefeated teams, so you have something to play for after you lose a game or two. I don’t think the playoffs should go past twelve though.
Edit: Also what if a bad team has an easy schedule or a great team has a difficult one. Having a game against a team like Georgia could be a season ender even if you are one of the 4 best teams in the country in this 4 team playoff.
So if Memphis beats FSU, Tulane beats Oklahoma, App State beats Clemson or Boise State beats Oregon, do you know what the liklihood of these teams making the Top 6 are even if they go undefeated?
1/16000. Because the league will argue it was just one game, or they dont play as good of teams throughout the season or it was a fluke or whatever....
FFS, 06-11 Boise State went 75-7 with wins over the B12 Champ, PAC Champx2, ACC Champ and SEC East Champ. Do you know how many times this team got ranked in the Top 5 before bowls? They went undefeated 3 times in this run - they only got ranked in the Top 5 once before bowls.
I'll never understand the parasocial obsession that some fans have with the business economics of the conference their favorite college football team plays for. It's almost Pavlovian.
Example: Arkansas has not won a conference championship in football since 1989.
(Their last season in the SWC) The Southwest Conference.
Just make it 1-8 or 12 if you must But no auto bids please
I've always wanted 16
It could be a hundred team play off and your still gonna get the same 3-4 teams winning a natty every year
Also, when a conference has co-champs I view it as the conference being soooo good that 2-3 teams can win it in the same year. What? Your conference only has ONE champion? Losers lol
just copy the fcs playoff format with 24 teams. Apparently it's been working for years at that level.
12 is stupid.
should have gone to 8 with the option of 16 in the future.
how about 24 with double elimination?
128 round robin?
It’s out if 134 college teams that Gould be the amount the nfl is 32 teams with more than 4 teams inna playiffs
The auto qualifiers make no sense! It needs to be the top 12 teams and being a conference champ is a factor into the rankings.. but having a #22 team qualify over a team in the top 12 because they won a lesser conference is just wrong.. top 12 teams in and let the committee take the games they won into consideration
The problem is historically G5 teams get shafted in the rankings for no logical reason...... Plus I love how this is such a concern now, given that historically the G5 also got shafted where they would straight up beat P5 teams in the regular season only for P5 teams to be ranked behind them and still make a major bowl game over them....
Nooooo 12 should be the limit and I personally believe it should be 6 spots
Can we not just see how the 12 team playoff goes for a couple years? Why are we already talking about expansion?
I'm with you on that, but folks are looking at lots of $$$$$$$ is why...
4 team playoff was a mistake when you had 5 major conferences and 6 smaller + independents in FBS The immediate jump to 12 overnight seemed inconceivable. I fail to see any reasonable argument to jump all the way to 12. That being said why wouldn't they jump ahead and pick a number from a hat? The conferences will need a playoff just to crown a champ anymore. Ladies & gentlemen presenting the 2026 college football championship as determined by the Supreme Court...
Bowl season could be eliminated entirely with a 16 team playoff.
Time to go back to AP and UPI. Get rid of half the bowls.
Football is a spirit of competition. If that spirit no longer exists on the field the new generation will seek it through the sports betting apps on their phone.
What is actually the inherent issue with playoff expansion though?
It’s football. They already play 13 weeks before the playoffs and you have players pushing through injuries they shouldn’t be playing on or teams on their 3rd and 4th string in multiple positions from injury as it is come December. Then add 4-6 more weeks to these kids schedule it’s just gonna become who has the best backups teams will simply run out of gas you won’t even get to see the actual matchups you anticipate. Ontop of that these kids are college students who will have had finals and practiced every day and had games all throughout break and well into the next semester.. many of them commit to schools across the country your asking them to not see their friends and family back home for 3/4 of the year. It’s cool in basketball and would be great in theory in a EA college football video game tournament, but there’s infinite reasons why a 16+ team playoff in college football would be brutal
Also there is no Cinderella story’s in football especially after 13 weeks. A 16 seed is simply not as strong, fast, or deep as 1 seed all the time. This year the #1 vs #16 ( first round game) would’ve been Liberty vs Michigan…. Your sending those kids to the slaughter
Why do we need auto bids ?
8 would be enough. 12 too many. 16 makes me nauseous
12 is more than fine. give teams a mathematical way to qualify like ncca bball. give the rest an NIT tournament or something.
With your bad back, Josh, you shouldn't be throwing anybody.
16 Teams is SO obvious…
ESPN pay per view is the end goal of "college football". Doubt Josh can point that out withou facing ESPN flack.
If you're going to expand the playoff, decrease the amount of bowls
So basically what Pat McAfee did with espn, and he wonders where his audience went.
I think 12 teams is perfect. Anymore than that is ridiculous
One through four will dominate the rest waste of time
@@jamiegunter7016not true at all
It's very true
@@jamiegunter7016nope, Only 2 of those teams are from the good conferences. ACC and Big 12 champs ain't doing crap.
8 is perfect
If the powers that be are so determined to make more money than they need to take care of paying the performers ( players) and quit making fans foot the bill for them
Guess you don't like division 2 or 3 playoff now that is great
The expansion should have been stopped at 6
Greed will eventually be their downfall. it's coming sooner than you hope or realize.
Bring. Back. The. B.C.S.
Lay off the meth dude
Many believe? Many believe the Earth is flat too
Of course they are going to 16.
It’s 8 bc 1-4 has a bye and there is 4 games. That’s how I see it.
Past the 12 team is ridiculous. How is #16 going to play against #1. I’ll answer. GA vs TCU last year. Useless game that could potentially cause life changing injuries
College Football is on life support because of NIL and transfer portal and now they are trying to pull the plug and kill the sport totally by expanding the playoffs even more. RIP college football!
I've been a proponent for 16 teams for a while. 2 from each power 5 (before the collapse of the Pac12) and 6 at-large. I was genuinely shocked that they went to 12 teams so fast.
Get rid of the first round byes and play more games on campus. DII has had 28 teams in theirs for years. I dont think DI should expand that far, but I think 16 is a good sweet spot. Hell, DI hockey has 16 teams in their playoff and they have far fewer teams to pick from.