Old San Juan Road Trip & Cracks in the Falcon! [EP 11] | Sailing Millennial Falcon

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  • @dwayne_travels
    @dwayne_travels 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Great video guys! Your editing skills have improved greatly as well as the story telling! Loved it!!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dwayne Tanner thank you for watching! were slowly getting the hang of it 😁 still grappling with that wind noise 🤔🤔.

    • @bertski60
      @bertski60 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i think what you need is something called a "dead kitten" (seriously....that's what they call it). just a furry thing that goes over your mic.
      you guys are improving every episode. you will get many more subs soon i think.

  • @meisangry3
    @meisangry3 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Adam, you should make a playlist of you going overly in depth about things. Loads of people (myself included) love that kinda stuff!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      George I will keep that in mind next time i get the "wrap it up buddy" look from khi ✊😉

    • @rwr62265
      @rwr62265 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I'm with George. I'm as much into, if not more so, the technical stuff. I'll watch every episode (or extra footage) of what when wrong, turning wrenches, anything technical. :-)

    • @davidturner8301
      @davidturner8301 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SailingMillennialFalcon maybe you could do specific technical episodes if enough questions are directed to a specific topic. Gone with the wynns do that etc. Then you can go in depth without boring people on regular episodes. I'm keen to learn lots myself. From Brisbane Australia and hoping to buy a sailing yacht asap :-)

    • @bobbates6642
      @bobbates6642 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sailing The Vagabond did lots of repair stuff and look at them now

  • @Georgesadventure
    @Georgesadventure 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I can't stop watching, Khiara's laugh when you filmed her outside in the rain was beautiful and real, Adam, you are a really lucky guy :-)
    Every new video is better than the previous

  • @jimh5408
    @jimh5408 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You guys are hilarious! Your personalities make these videos extremely enjoyable to watch. Thank you!

  • @TOOMENETOYS
    @TOOMENETOYS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'm thinking the surveyor was the previous owners drinkin' buddy !

    • @Josef_R
      @Josef_R 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the surveyor should definitely have ripped all the furniture apart to check the chainplates.

    • @itsmePassport
      @itsmePassport 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I always worry about yacht that have hidden chain plates.

  • @sailinggreenpearl2571
    @sailinggreenpearl2571 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rewatching from the start...id forgotten the propellor shenanigans...tbh, in retrospect, you really were brave setting off with the boat in the state it was.... Speaking as an owner of an old boat as well....

  • @tonygoulding3804
    @tonygoulding3804 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anchoring under sail if the anchorage is busy is difficult, well done .

  • @ugostops875
    @ugostops875 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great couple, Great videos, but you are learning what all boaters eventually know. Boat; A hole in the water surrounded by wood, metal or fiberglass into which one pours money. I feel your pain. I lived on a yacht for 7 years and am considering doing it again. That's the definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome:)

  • @Cameron2874
    @Cameron2874 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    A tarp will come in very handy on rainy and sunny days. Make a tent, lie it flat on the deck, under boat if you hit again to keep water at bay for pump to keep up. You can Work under, keep below cooler when sun is out, keep rain out when more maintenance is needed etc etc. Land or sea a tarp, duck tape, zip ties n fencing wire can get u out of shite. Love your vids

  • @dandickinson3629
    @dandickinson3629 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It’s ok to go into some detail. Many of us get ideas from videos like yours on what to keep an eye on and how to fix them. Great videos guys. ;-)

  • @calliecutiepie
    @calliecutiepie 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You two are so happy and cute together. I've really enjoyed watching your videos. So sorry that you have had so much trouble with your boat, love your positive attitude through the continued frustrations. Happy sailing ☺️

  • @finevoiceacademy8484
    @finevoiceacademy8484 ปีที่แล้ว

    2nd time around for me, and I wish we could here more details, like the resting voltage of the three dead batteries!

  • @ed_richards47
    @ed_richards47 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just watched your story so far and loved every second of it. Much more realistic in terms of the sailing problems and challenges you faced from day one, (getting out of that lock in Florida!). The big difference between your story and many others is your irrepressible spirit and "can-do" attitude. Lovely to watch and looking forward to future episodes. Bon voyage!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That really mean alot to us Edward. Thanks for watching mate. Were thrilled your enjoying it 😁😁 hopefully one day we will run out of problems to solve (HA not likely) 😂.

  • @gidge34
    @gidge34 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You guys are really positive people.

  • @Kuokoa
    @Kuokoa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kee.....The Tea addiction is a problem? Ommmm.....I think not! LOL

  • @jimbrown9358
    @jimbrown9358 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the way you guys laugh your way through life’s tribulations. Great video, great story, great fun.

  • @dwk8081
    @dwk8081 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kweel couple .... Nice !!

  • @Thomas_Speck
    @Thomas_Speck 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "I´m getting complicatet" "Yes" "Sorry" - you both are lovely. Thank you!

  • @scotyfilms
    @scotyfilms 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You cannot mix old batteries with new ones. You have to replace them all. The old batteries will drag the new ones down as they die. You have to replace all six

  • @Jaantoenen
    @Jaantoenen 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Life loves heroes. You are stepping up to the challenge. The sea is powerful and unforgiving. However it favors heroes.

  • @kevinfisher1345
    @kevinfisher1345 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yep Butyl tape, great stuff. Perfect for that application and others. Some even use it to rebed cleats, not sure I would go that far though. But stanchions, toe and deck rails and plenty of other things sure. Also as others have mentioned, sure hope you did not use silicon on the plexiglass, it is fine with glass but not plexiglass or any acrylic.

  • @caromarco6315
    @caromarco6315 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are both incredibly positive considering all the things that went wrong!

  • @nielsjohannsen2854
    @nielsjohannsen2854 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You guys are great keep up the good work and I like the way you fight through adversity. We had a similar adventure way before GPS etc in the 70/80s. You bring back memories cheers.

  • @va7dgp
    @va7dgp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SCS-PTC tnc Glad to see you have HF

  • @robertgilbert5496
    @robertgilbert5496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't know if you know this but Tayana's and some other boats produced in that era that were built in Taiwan are affectionately known as leaky Teakys. You have a very seaworthy and beautiful boat inside and out but they do tend to have areas prone to leaking. Fortunately you both seem to tackle every problem and challenge with lots of laughter and a great attitude so I'm guessing you will get on top of it. Love your channel! I find my self smiling and laughing right along with you. Very contagious! Fair winds and following seas! Peace

  • @kevinbentley3254
    @kevinbentley3254 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watching you two in Old San Juan brings back so many good memories of mine time there with my family. Love it there and can not wait to go back again.

  • @talderson1
    @talderson1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm bing (sp?) watching your videos. It's now almost midnight here and I'm waking the house up laughing at your leak prevention method. So funny!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching and commenting! Hahaha hope our DIY methods didn't wake your family!

  • @svbeto6429
    @svbeto6429 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Butyl is 20000% the way to go. I just pulled some hardware off that was 3 years old and the wood underneath looked brand new. It's now properly epoxy saturated and reinstalled.

  • @brianmclellan1087
    @brianmclellan1087 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back to episode 10 re your wanting idea to lock shaft nut. Behind nut put tin washer, then hammer over flat on nut, then make two cuts in washer ( or before) and bend tab you made into spline. You now have mechanical lock that can’t back off. Good luck.

  • @hellohellohello6847
    @hellohellohello6847 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love her laugh!!

  • @mattwilliams3101
    @mattwilliams3101 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Butyl tape is fantastic!! It doesn’t set hard or leave a residue like silicone it works awesome above the waterline and I have heard that it can be used below the waterline quite well also.
    Just a thought about your prop shaft coming loose.i thought I heard you saw that you left the boat in reverse while under sail, if that’s the case that could have been what caused the nut to loosen. It’s a reverse thread because the shaft is primarily run in the forward direction. Running in reverse would loosen the nut while running in forward would tighten or keep tight. Just a thought.
    Keep up the great videos!

  • @nickmalkov8323
    @nickmalkov8323 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that was fun to watch it.

  • @AndyUK-Corrival
    @AndyUK-Corrival 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Boy you were lucky with that chainplate, that was way gone. Guess the surveyor couldn't get to it to check it. Andy UK

  • @FallenSoulThief
    @FallenSoulThief 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great choice of names for the millineal falcon. you know how the falcon on star wars always broke down but they were able to fix it just enough to get by? lol. love you guys. best of luck.

  • @budjerke4972
    @budjerke4972 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love love love your attitude! So refreshing and light hearted. Keep it up!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Bud, it helps to keep a sense of humour when Milly is playing up! Thanks for watching.

  • @teubie8949
    @teubie8949 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hebben de geest gegeven ?? Hahaha nice

  • @gatojj
    @gatojj 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    lol she sounds like my wife i like to explain things proper and she wants a quick example ! After 27yrs we still have same issue :)!

  • @barbaralienhard3490
    @barbaralienhard3490 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have loved all your videos!! And it's been great getting to know you too here in Puerto Real. Love your spirit and enthusiasm, you'll do great, it's an amazing way to live. All my best always.

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Barbara Lienhard. Thanks Barb! its been great having you guys as neighbours! we will make sure to keep in touch 😀

  • @andyking4910
    @andyking4910 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the videos. You make a great team. Stay safe.

  • @seccat
    @seccat 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That is some SEXY bedding compound your using on those portholes.

  • @ralphholiman7401
    @ralphholiman7401 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys keep us laughing! Love your spirit! We've been fixing things on our boat all day, and trying to keep the Millennial Falcon attitude going myself!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching ralph!
      Ill take a horrible day on a boat over a good day on land anyday!
      Welcome to the team 😁

  • @gordonclark1711
    @gordonclark1711 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Adam...stop repairing things, LOL Great entertainment though and you always seem to get faults fixed.

  • @expresso3163
    @expresso3163 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Welcome to a shack down cruse. You might want to consider changing all the plates Stainless work hardens if one has let go the rest are suspect. I noted in episode 10 the leeward stays were loose that isn't good for stainless. I know what you are going through I got a boat in Airlie Beach finished it enough to launch it and bring it back to Brisbane. I didn't want my wife to come but I couldn't talk her out of it. Friends talked me into doing a blog on it it's a bit of fun isn't it. Most important stay safe!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Expresso316 thanks for watching mate. 1200 miles later I think we may have overdone the shake down 😉 my prognosis is that the crack emminated from a pitting hole as a result of water intrusion. i'd say it's been in that state for some time. We did replace them anyway just to be safe its nice to have some visibility on the structure now. hopefully thats one issue we won't cross again any time soon. Cheers!

  • @sdfkjllshadflhadfshl
    @sdfkjllshadflhadfshl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 12:40 Kiara is talking about the oxidation and you can tell she's not quite sure. When her eyes look up and to the right a few times that's her brain trying to make up a good answer. lol She's not remembering she's fabricating an answer. She's still the queen of the sees though!

  • @claytonduguay9617
    @claytonduguay9617 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to say I am amazed by your positive attitude through constant issues with your boat. I would have been tempted to pack it in long ago. Thumbs up and subscribed!

  • @slobooger
    @slobooger 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The umbrella was a great idea.... Id have handed the handle of the umbrella through the porthole and ductaped it there. ";-)
    then you could have stayed a bit more dry...... ok, I probably wouldnt have thought of the umbrella in the first place. :D

  • @budsvjourney2919
    @budsvjourney2919 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    A very fun and sincere vid........thanks for sharing

  • @mikejohnson1331
    @mikejohnson1331 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos!!! Thanks for putting such great stuff on you tube!!

  • @anngallagher6069
    @anngallagher6069 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love following your journey - keep rocking the boat! 😍

  • @joes7166
    @joes7166 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just found your vlog last week so I have so catching up to do. On your windows. Probably too late now, but Butyl Tape yes. Silicone NO. Some silicone it not compatible with plexiglass and will cause it to weaken and craze. Even worse is it gets into the pores of the gelcoat making any new chalking not stick. You have to grind the area out and build it back up. Do some research on what to put around the plexiglass ( a name brand of acrylic ). Dow Corning makes a product and there are others. I do not allow silicone of any type on my boat.

  • @Dean0017
    @Dean0017 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tea addiction / Lack of T-shirts...... LOL

  • @jimnickles2347
    @jimnickles2347 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad to see Khiara's smashed finger is healing well, I have had a few of those, ripped a nail off and crushed the tip on one, looks like it belongs to E.T., now. (Phone HOME.) Another filled up underneath with blood, had to drill a hole through it to relieve the pressure. This Hurt REAL bad, because the SLIGHTEST touch hurt worse than the Original Smash,lol. But the Relief was MORE than Worth It, because it was free to start Healing, then. The Book by Calder is your Maintenance Manual, as you've figured out,lol. And everyone says NEVER use Silicone caulk on an Ocean Cruiser. Do you all have a Complete set of tools Aboard? Ratchets, sockets, wrenches(spanners, to you Brits and Anzacs), Actually you need TWO, because our Euro-Pandering Industries tried to switch us to Metric System years ago, and now all it means is you have to have TWO Tools sets to Work On ANYTHING, pretty much. Oh, and remember Duct Tape? If you had, you COULD have Taped Up the screw holes in the portlights to keep the rain Out. DUCT TAPE: Uses Limited ONLY By Your Imagination. NEVER Sail, Motor, RV, Fly, Drive, WHATEVER Without it. SERIOUSLY. It's also a damned Fine MEDICAL Tape in an Emergency, for wrapping bandages, improvised Splints, and sealing puncture wounds temporarily on you AND the Dinghy. Good Cheap Bikini Waxing, slings for broken/sprained arms, Google It and Be AMAZED. Love your vids, Cheers.

  • @andrewafrican
    @andrewafrican 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Make your own chain plates.
    Download Sketchup. Learn to use it via You Tube, it's a free (for non commercial use) intuitive drawing program. You might need to get the 2015 version if your computer is dated. Get the Sketchup addon that allows you to export dxf files from the online addon warehouse.
    Draw up your chain plates. Email the dxf files to a steel cutting service. They'll plasma cut them or laser cut them for you.
    Remember to make sure that any holes you draw have as many sides as the program will allow. The holes in Sketchup are never true holes. They seem to have 24 sides default. The more sides the more "round" the hole will be. The bolts will then pass through easier.

  • @justinschwartz1433
    @justinschwartz1433 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys should put together a monthly budget video. For starter how much did the boat cost? How are you funding the expedition?

  • @bdjm8595
    @bdjm8595 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll be curious to know how that broken window fix worked out..........

  • @Mongoose118
    @Mongoose118 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How long has you been sailing before you started this trip?
    You are a great team. Always so happy.
    Keep up the good work

  • @rundown48
    @rundown48 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looked like ya had a fun time,,,how long will you be back home..? a video of back home would be cool... Cheers.

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You must have a crystal ball David. Tune in next week! We had a blast back in Australia in the Whitsundays. Thanks for watching mate.

  • @nonaparker564
    @nonaparker564 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great !!! You have made me laugh so so much!!!

  • @alex0589
    @alex0589 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Surveyor? I hardly knew her!

  • @roadrunner6081
    @roadrunner6081 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wondering why chain plates were not inspected when you had the inspection done?

  • @markdimaio8396
    @markdimaio8396 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you have any leaks in the screw holes and window seal using the butyl tape?

  • @mickmccrohon
    @mickmccrohon 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    yea Butyl is getting rave reviews!

  • @jamichael9386
    @jamichael9386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    whew! Can see why the previous owner was keen to sell! Also, it's time to sue your surveyor for fraud....just saying

  • @razzorbladz
    @razzorbladz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is there an anode on your prop shaft? there should be

  • @wilfredovargas8605
    @wilfredovargas8605 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to my island! Hope you enjoyed your stay as much as I enjoyed visiting AUS. Cheers and safe journey!

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Wilfredo, thanks for watching. We LOVED San Juan, thanks for having us :)

  • @talderson1
    @talderson1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Goodness. What time is it where u r? Get some sleep 😉

  • @fruitgums
    @fruitgums 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That poor dog @2:37 looks so sad :(

  • @horstkotte6114
    @horstkotte6114 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    hmm, seems you found the reason for the poor shroud tension...

  • @bophoto
    @bophoto 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    old broadcast observation, you can make something of bad video with good audio track.. but its almost impossible to follow good video with bad audio. ;-)

  • @Sailboatstory
    @Sailboatstory 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Few things are more frustrating than a dodger that won’t dodge.
    -B

  • @MrMikey437
    @MrMikey437 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is that a kiteboard I see in the back ground.

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is indeed! One day ill get a chance to get back into the swing! Its been a while.

  • @laxmannate07
    @laxmannate07 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You only need 2 shirts

  • @englishmaninfrance661
    @englishmaninfrance661 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All the normal shit that has to be fixed when you buy a cheap boat :)
    Or sometimes, even, an expensive boat

  • @danielscott9769
    @danielscott9769 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rumor has it that if you use silicone on boat you will regret it. Might want to check in to that.

  • @wilbuzllf5057
    @wilbuzllf5057 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hmmm I'm not sure your surveyor did a very good job. Seem to me he should have been able to spot quite a few more misstakes that you've found along the way. The engine and prop shaft is one thing, shit happens. But leakages etc should've been found without too much trouble, windows alone are easy but a good surveyor, or even a decent one should have found other places without too much trouble.
    Glad you're both cheerful anyway and with high spirits! :-)
    /Rasmus

    • @Josef_R
      @Josef_R 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the surveyor should definitely have ripped all the furniture apart to check the chainplates.

  • @englishmaninfrance661
    @englishmaninfrance661 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Australia is probably one of the few countries in the world that doesn't have castles or forts
    It's just simply that it is a relatively new country. No medieval history, lots of more ancient history

    • @SailingMillennialFalcon
      @SailingMillennialFalcon  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      simon talbot Yes it has been incredible seeing all this history and culture!

  • @tbonemc2118
    @tbonemc2118 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd be careful with your stainless. I'm no metals expert but I've been led to believe that stainless should be left bare of anything, hence all the nice polished stainless you see on boats. It needs oxygen for it to be rust resistant and when oxygen deprived it will rust away just like most metals ( commonly shows up as pitting and cracking in stainless ). This is also why rigging wire will damage around the stanchions first (dirty and oxygen deprived). On many boats plates are polished and not just for aesthetics. Cleaning should be just warm soapy water and no harsh cleaning agents and then a quick polish. The best (and most expensive that you'll ever be able to afford) marine grade stainless is 316 but walking around your local chandlery it can be hard working out exactly what grade they have on the shelf. 316 is the only grade of stainless that isn't magnetic so for the cost of a small magnet you can save yourself a fortune. A highly worked/machined piece may be slightly magnetic. Stainless can be a real B#### because it gives very little warning it's about to fail. You need a magnifying glass to look for hairline cracks and then if you can't polish them out you're in trouble.

  • @_Willem_
    @_Willem_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're a very beautiful and funny woman o_~ Khiara

  • @johncleveland5348
    @johncleveland5348 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    She's prettier w/o make up
    Mikey bit my finger!!!

  • @g2macs
    @g2macs 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you kidding! Contact the nimrod who did your survey and ask for your money back. These should have been spotted
    and changed before purchase. What if all of them were like that? The first hard blow and you would have been dismasted.

    • @Josef_R
      @Josef_R 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, the surveyor should definitely have ripped all the furniture apart to check the chainplates.

  • @squid0013
    @squid0013 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need to get your money back from your surveyer

    • @Josef_R
      @Josef_R 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Never owned a boat before, huh?

    • @squid0013
      @squid0013 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Josef_R
      Actually i own 2. Chainplates like that should have been red flag after red flag. Rust busting out of the wire rigging up top should have been found by the surveyer too

    • @Josef_R
      @Josef_R 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, the surveyor should definitely have ripped all the furniture apart to check the chainplates.

    • @rusmiller816
      @rusmiller816 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Josef_R It's you against every other commenter lol. Surveyor did a crap job, as they sometimes do. Let it go mate.

    • @Josef_R
      @Josef_R 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rusmiller816 Damn, fanboy, every other commenter? You mean the one guy who thinks your surveyor should tear a boat down to fiberglass to inspect it? Nobody else commented on the surveyor. And you want me to "let go" of something I hadn't said anything about in 2 years? The important thing to know is they did not get their money back from the surveyor. Mate.