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george admits he was looking at the steering wheel while approaching alonso, I would consider that admisson of HIS OWN fault but Alonso got the penalty anyway 🤕🤯
@@carolinab.2642 but again, that probably wouldn't have been an issue if fernando didn't slow down earlier than the last lap
this GREATLY annoys me. Alonso and Russel did NOT have an incident in Australia.... George Russel had an incident all by himself
He's lost the car several times while following another car through corners. I think George lacks awareness on how to drive while following closely and how to manage dirty air.
It happened last year in Canada, in Singapore and now Australia. He clearly lost the car but has to find an excuse.
The race before, Magnussesn was breaking way early and going unnecessary slow through the corners to back everyone up so Hulkemberg could pit and out in front. Checo was braking early in Abu Dhabi 2021 trying to back up Hamilton at any cost but was all fair for the FIA.
Yes sudden loss of talent by RUS and ALO gets penalised, mby Fernando needs a british passport
@ediltonspencer6974 as a merc fan I agree 100% nothing un the rules says u can't break 100 meters earlier it's all on george to see what the driver in front does and react
@@zurafar6954sudden loss of talent by ALO, RUS surprised that it happens to ALO and then it happens to him as well.
Clearly there is a talent drainer on that turn that should have been penalised.
All that was a driver error (George).
Stewards saying the crash did not impact their decision is a bold faced lie. If George didn't bounce back on to the track, there might not have been a penalty and if so def no additional penalty points
I don't think either VER - HAM accidents carried 20 second penalties either and their outcomes were both very dangerous
@core4365 the 20 sec is rough. I agree a 10sec if anything. But the point I see everyone missing is that they gave him penalty points too.
@core4365 the drivers asked for harsher penalties so they started to do that since saudi. But I do think penalizing Alonso for a driver mistakes is a dumb lmao
It's "bald faced lie" not bold
@aes0p895 they mean the same thing. Thanks for wasting everyone's time trying to be smart
Remember, Alonso was able to brake early, get on the throttle, and brake again… without contact. This is several seconds of being slow, with his red light flashing, for drivers with 0.2 sec reaction times.
It’s not on Alonso to pay attention to the track. The penalty was absurd.
Completely reasonable for George asking urgently for a Red Flag when positioned for a t-bone in a high speed, vision limited sector.
A red flag doesn't mean all cars stop on track - they just slow down, same as with a VSC. George is a panic merchant.
@@vvayoutvvest red flag means no one is racing to catch a pitstop early, it means no one is rushing to gain position or time and is an immediate call for all drivers to get on the brakes instead of yellows which could be anything from gravel on the circuit to george parked in the middle of the road on the end of a short blind corner.
maybe someone just has a dumb bias against a random person who happens to drive in f1
@@vvayoutvvest only an idiot would not be screaming for a red flag at that point. Even scrolls engineer was starting to panic about stroll, not slowing down enough.
If you don’t understand why, try reviewing the two most recent deaths in formula racing - Hubert and van’t Hoff
Sainz had the best take on it. The corner is a great racing corner, but the wall bounces people into the race track time and time again. As for the brake check.
Alonzo did not brake check him, he slowed his speed in a different pace in order to charge his battery and make Russell change his pace into the turn. Now Russel by his own admitting was changing settings on his wheel, so we can assume he was looking at his screen to make sure he dialed it in correctly. Russell looked up, panic braked and skidded off the track. It’s on Russell for not paying enough attention. Def should not be a penalty.
I forgot where I heard it but that barrier at Turn 6 is very similar to the barrier at the top of Radillon when people hit it.
Alonso is always hard to overtake. He used everything at his disposal, without brake checking. His main error was overestimating George's ability.
It was nothing more than a racing incident. Policing the fact that Nando lifted to close the gap to Russell in order to recharge his battery in order to set up a boost through turn 6 and 7 onto the straight is not dangerous driving - it's just strategy! The car behind has the responsibility to match the gap and close it while staying beyond the dirty air which Russell didn't do. The outcome of Russell not lifting led him to lose the front, launch across the gravel and then ricochet onto the track.
Nando was just exercising his defensive driving, which we've seen in the past is very much in his repotoire. The FIA stewards are setting a dangerous precedent with this as it could lead to more bland racing where you have to hold station until someone flies past using DRS
If Alonso was British and George was Spanish we wouldn't be talking about anything
Johnny Herbert was involved I wouldn't put it past him to be petty enough to give Alonso a unfair penalty
What's the history between the two? I'm not familiar
@@XxMidnightToker420xX he was spouting nonsense saying Alonso should retire and throwing shade at him. So when Herbert was live on TV he walked up to him and said "you're not a world champion mate, you're not a world champion"
@@HamisxaBut why does he hate him ?
Probably still salty from getting punked in front of millions of people lol
@@DaYapGuy embarrassed him with just a sentence
The argument for penalising Alonso is that George wouldn’t have crashed if Alonso didn’t do what he did… which is just not true. George could’ve just crashed on his own.
The problem is FIA inconsistency! Giving out penalties based on their own opinions/feelings + not having a fixed standard/sop + judging based on situation or outcome
Georgie Boy has admitted that he wasn't really paying attention to the race, but was looking at his steering-wheel....
So this is all on George
@@RoysIdea how can it be alonsos fault if russell isn't focusing on the car in front of him?
The FIA tries to find any blame on Fernando and use the excuse "He drove differently than the previos lap".
This will be a big talking point with the drivers since they want constistent rules.
Funny thing is that George drove differently on his pervious lap too. He braked about 10 meters later on his crash lap
@@OnlineHipHopTV It is crazy how we can see better than the "professionals" jaja
@@barcafan94 it is shown on the data/telemetry
@@barcafan94 Danica Patrick is considered an expert pundit mate. My 1 year old son has a better understanding of Formula 1 than her. Being an expert or professional doesn't mean you're instantly correct and smarter than anyone else lmao
@@Hamisxa I know...I was saying that we are actually smarter than those who call themselves professionals
How is Herbert a race steward???? If that contact was Max and Hamilton there is no way he could hold in his bias. I get this is an issue with everyone, but Herbert has made it clear exactly how he feels about 21.
There are a group of stewards not just one!
@@alimantado373 Really? I thought it was just one person sat at the side of the track drinking tea and throwing biscuits at the cars
@alimantado373 That doesn’t change the fact that Herbert being in the stewards room is a conflict of interest.
The big issues here are that:
1. Alonso lifted, he didn't brake. There was a TINY amount of braking on the trace, but not enough to make a big impact.
2: Russell had 4-5 seconds to react to Alonso slowing, but he didn't.
3. If there should be no penalty is Russell didn't crash, then there shouldn't be a penalty if he did. You penalize the action, not the outcome.
4. You can't review a patently bad decision without further evidence. If Hamilton outright T-bones a parked Verstappen in the pit lane, and the stewards issue Max a penalty with all the information, RB has no right of review because they can't bring more data, despite how insane that theoretical situation actually is.
5. Well you're talking about it now, but AD23... Slowing to bring your opponent closer and compromise their run from the corner is called racecraft!
5 seconds? lol
Russel was within DRS lol. That’s less than 1 second.
Alonso did brake. The telemetry reflects that, and so does his speed compared to the previous lap. You could also compare the onboards.
I think 20 seconds is too much, but it’s pretty clear that Alonso played a part in causing that crash, whether he intended to or not. That’s a penalty in my book.
If it was Logan or Yuki in the place of Alonso, people would be calling for them to leave the sport.
@DarioDarrow Yes. Watch the on-board.
@tk03_85 I think you need to watch the onboards, check the ACTUAL brake trace, and learn some maths.
The 1s for DRS gap is only relevant here if Alonso suddenly came to a complete stop and Russell was still doing nearly 300kph. If ALO slowed by 30kph, 1s becomes ~10s. Slowing by 60kph makes it ~5s. You can halve those numbers if RUS was 5 tenths behind.
As for the braking, he barely touched the brakes at all. The broadcast graphica treat the brakes as binary, but if they were accurate then every driver would lock up on every corner. Lifting at 300kph will slow you pretty rapidly when you have a 900kg car with 4 tonnes of downforce; so all it took was for him to be off the throttle for the roughly a second (if memory serves).
Slowing 100 meters before the braking point results in 4-5 seconds to react?
They’re going into the corner at around 270 kph at that corner. 100 meters in f1 at 270 kph takes 1 ⅓ seconds to clear. That would mean Russel still had 1.8 seconds of going at full throttle until he had to brake (assuming both drivers had the same braking point). Keep in mind that Alonso slowed so early and so much that he had to downshift and accelerate into the corner before lifting again for the actual turn. They were less than .5 seconds apart meaning around 37.5 m distance between the two cars. That 37.5 m/ 0.5 sec gap disappears when one car is still accelerating and the other car is decelerating. You can see how fast Alonso’s rear came on the on-boards as well.
Alonso did drive erratically. That’s a fact with evidence. The evidence, explanation, and punishment of the penalty itself was correct. If Russell didn’t crash and complained to the fia, that would have been a penalty. But, for the fia to say they didn’t consider the crash is absolute bs. That I can agree on. If Russell didn’t crash and didn’t complain, there would be no investigation. The consistency of these penalties is what fans should be pissed about.
I've never heard a rally driver complain that a corner is the wrong speed under any conditions.
Honestly... this is all tiresome. F1 needs to get its crap together. It's racing. Racing is inherently dangerous.
You know, F1 drivers complain about the minutest detail. Textbook stuff.
A certain Finnish rally driver actually did.
Not so much the corners, moreso the cars being way too fast for the stages and for the drivers to keep up.
And this was Group B WRC, rally's legendary golden era of speed, so you know how insane this was.
I guarantee rally racing is extremely careful about not including overly dangerous corners.
@@heliumtrophy no one complains more than George. (Or self-congratulates). And no one gets attention like George due to his position as head of drivers.
george has a track record of crashing while following or chasing other cars, this was racecraft nothing more nothing less. are we now saying that you can't park a car on the apex anymore ? F1 needs to stop legislating and get on with racing.
George has a record of crashing full stop
@@dylanburston7453 Even when following the safety car jaja
George admitted this morning that he wasn't even paying attention.
Somehow its Fernando's fault though
@@davestopforth That's obviously not true. Whatever your think you heard, George was paying attention to the race. Do you think he was playing his Switch or something?
@@aes0p895 "I think it was obviously a strange situation that occurred last week. As I said at the time, it took me completely by surprise. I was actually looking at the steering wheel shifting gears on the straightaway, which we all do along the way. of the lap, and when I looked up I was in Fernando's gearbox and it was too late and the next thing I know I was against the wall."
I've seen some people say that George went whining too the stewards. I saw him being interviewed after the race and he was quite bewildered as to why he was being called to the stewards. He wasn't really blaming Fred for it, just said he was surprised to see the car so close up at that point, and he suddenly had no downforce, hence into the wall. It was only after the meeting did he accept that the stewards had a point.
The redesign of the barriers should be the end of it all. Please!
The driver doesn’t go to the stewards, the team does. There is a 0% chance Toto didn’t make a major whine about it (like he does for Hamilton at every chance) to the stewards. The fact his driver wasn’t even looking at the track would not enter into it.
People just take any excuse to hate on Russell
@@batchx It's true, but in general, formula 1 fans are exceedingly nasty and negative compared to most sports. It's extremely rare to see the focus of comments being about a win.
6:27 Finally! Someone said it out loud 😂
Jokes aside, I honestly didn't get the penalty at the time and every look I've had at the incident since has strengthened that conviction. The accident was frightening, but Alonso honestly didn't really do anything wrong. It may have been a bit cheeky but in my opinion it was a valid tactic to defend his position at the end of the race, making sure the car behind can't get a good run on you down the straight and simultaneously making sure you *do*. It wasn't egregious and George was unlucky or careless in that he was just fiddling with some stuff on his steering wheel at the wrong time. For me, it was a racing incident and the real issue is indeed that corner (and specifically the angle of the barrier).
4:15 I strongly disagree with you thinking George could have run to the barrier. Removing your safety belts before the field gets a yellow flag is against FIA rules for a reason.
Run to the barrier when there's still cars on track? 🤡
You're right. Running to the barriers would be so risky and asking for trouble
it should be extremely easy as he puts the car into the barriers usually, making it a much safer and quicker run
Watch the video again. That’s NOT what he said
I think the most telling this is in a post race interview with Russell where they told him that Alonso had been called to the Stewards and his response was basically “why?”.
It’s clear that George didn’t think Fernando did anything wrong (at least at the time).
also telling is George saying he didn't remember what happened, drivers get Amnesia when they are in the wrong
@@Lovit-vk5fg where did you hear that nonsense mate? That man in your room isn't real, take the schizophrenic meds please
I would add that while Alonso was making, as you said, a "pro gamer move" Russell instead made a rookie move not even watching ahead and making adjustment on the steering.
Think thats pure BS on russels part. He never moved his hands from the steering wheel.
Why not do it down the longest straight on the track, not immediatley before the fastest corner.
The only thing should be break bias, and thats one button the driver shouldnt even need to look for and should know how much they are ajusting it by off by heart, considering they often do it differnt several times a lap.
@@dylanburston7453 Read his words.
Red flag and VSC are NOT equal. Red flag does not enforce any kind of speed limit. It would in fact have been more dangerous for Russel.
Also the pitlane was in conversion to podium setup, red flagging would have caused cars to pile into the mess and caused a massive safety risk.
If that's true, it's an obvious flaw.
@@aes0p895 no, it's a case of a tool being designed for different use cases.
Hence the correct decision to use the right tool for these circumstances.
@@Argosh There is no way you actually believe that not slowing down during a red flag is just as safe as slowing down during a red flag. And considering red flags usually happen when there's been a crash, then of course it should include a slow down. Honestly I don't even believe you when you say it doesn't, bc that makes no sense.
@@aes0p895 under red flag in a race all cars "must proceed slowly into the pitlane". Under VSC all cars must stay above the minimum sector times.
Unlike red flag rules the deltas are actually enforced.
The difference is visible when you compare safety car speeds vs virtual safety car speeds.
The SC actually drives at a different pace, but cars catching up to the SC will routinely drive much faster than under VSC.
So, VSC is much safer for this case.
@@aes0p895 under red flag in a race all cars "must proceed slowly into the pitlane". Under VSC actual time deltas are enforced.
The VSC is actually safer.
The FIA needed to be more transparent, and they definatly have gotten way better since previous incidents.
Benben is the perfect head for FIA: they are both incompetent, tyrannical peacocks. The less we see of them the better.
I can tell you exactly what the decision process for this incident was, no transparency needed :
"OMG! Big crash. There'll be a scandal out of this. I know, let's dump all responsibility on someone else. Anyone. He was racing someone, right? DSQ him!!! ... We can't DSQ him? What's the hardest we can hit him? Do it, and step it up one more step. Why? Aggravating circumstances. There. Now the blame will land in that bugger, and the press will get a bigger story to concentrate on. Home free once again. We're so clever."
George made a mistake in braking too late, and instead of blamed for brake checking him. It was super stupid and so was the penalty.
George didn't blame anyone man fr said in an interview that it was his fault.
If you watched the race, the first radio after the crash, was George blaming Alonso for brake checking him. And, George was nowhere near enough for the to actually do that or the aerodynamics to substantially do anything to George's car. George freaked out for some reason, and starting playing the blame game.
He didn’t deserve that much of a penalty. It wasn’t done with malicious intent. George was too far behind and admitted he was looking at the steering display making adjustments as well. Turn six is super sketchy also and made the incident so much worse.
When I saw the Mercedes stopped sideways in the middle of the racing line, I had flashbacks from Antoine Hubert's fatal accident. We had the good ending this time but the fact this scenario reappeared does not reassure me at all.
And van’t Hoff
Listening to Lance’s engineer, you could hear him starting to panic about Lance not slowing enough as well - good thing that there was no one closer
Alonso had issues with the car and George was looking at his dash Alonsos car was flashing red light under DRS maybe not good idea to adjust dash on last lap of a race where driver may defend position...
Palmer looked at that and alonso only had issues on his car after that corner.
Alonso knew he that it might show bad and was looking for an excuse.
Though if penalty was truly fitting for this russel probably should have breaked more before the corner.
@@nulian it wasnt a brake test though it was a mistake he made while attempting to defend his position. George admitted he was fiddling with his steering wheel and when he looked up he 'was on alonsos gearbox'
@nulian issues for ALO or not, RUS had 4-5 seconds to react to the slowing, but didn't because he wasn't paying attention.
come on, sure, suuuuuure he had "issues" the car lol
Glad to see you have come around on this, Laws. Fine analysis.
mercedes were like "mein got alonso used 3% brake quick get on that get him a penalty quick"
George was genuinely scared as would any driver at a risk of being T-boned having crashed and being caught in the middle middle of the track on a very fast blind corner. Lance Stroll’s engineer saved George’s life probably.
I think the crash was largely caused by George not paying attention or freezing a bit on a final lap too. Not the first time. You saw Checo who is a fabulous wheel to wheel battler never crashing out in his very long protracted battle in Brazil were Fernando did all the same tricks to try to keep a faster checo from overtaking him last year.
it's not like there is a british bias within f1.. ahum
I feel that the Turn 6 design made the result all the worse.
why do people come to the conclusion that there is british bias
@@థ_థbecause British media is incredibly biased and British presence is very strong in F1 also the last few incidents and penalties were sketchy to say the least
@tvld
Just look at the broadcast of f1 done by the brits at sky and you'll have your answers..
The fia itself isn't full with brits thankfully.
@@MooncricketsIncf1 doesn’t use the sky Sports coverage though…. They use their own independent coverage
Are we going to have a go at a British based broadcaster having proclivity towards its British drivers?
Alonso used his Jedi Force against that Imperial Merc 😁
George under pressure folds like a paper bag. Sorry No 1 Merc driver nope! I bring as evidence Imola Bottas incident.
@@alimantado373 tbh Russell has been in a low pressure invoroment for a lot of his career at Williams. You can't deny that George is RAPID he outperformed lulu in 2022. But last year and this year he's down, that happens to everyone. It's hard to stay at 100% when for 4 years you were strung along being told that 44 would retire and that you would have the fastest car as the leader. Only for it to crumble before his eyes.
@@alimantado373 Imola 2020 behind safety car, Imola 2021 with Bottas, Canada 2023, Singapore 2023, Australia 2024 and much more.
The fia needs to modify the rule they used to penalize Fernando
If the FIA ban harvesting they might as well take it away all together.
Also now enters George’s statement in Suzuka that he didn’t have his eyes on the track at the time and not paying attention 🙄
This could actually be new information that the stewards didn’t have at the time, and be a cause for an appeal
Not really, because the penalty wasn’t for causing a collision, it was for erratic driving. Take the crash out of the equation and Alonso still slowed down 100m before the usual point, sped up, then went on to break normally as you would in that corner. According to the FIA, that constitutes to an erratic driving penalty.
@@Anna-gm6zy But take the crash out of the equation and there would have been no penalty. George took his eye off the ball and admitted it, Fernando just became a scapegoat for his error. The FIA statement is just an interpretation of the rules, the rules don't actually say you can or can't do what Fernando did from my understanding.
@@Jason_NepomucenoSo? Just because they only looked at it because of the crash, doesn’t make it the cause of the penalty. I understand what you mean about the crash happening because Russell wasn’t paying attention, but the penalty is still valid, because there was erratic driving. Even if he hadn’t crashed and they didn’t look at the incident, there still would have been erratic driving deserving of a penalty, it just would have gone unpunished, which doesn’t seem fair. I’ve seen lots of people point out examples of other cases where no penalty was served or there was no investigation and giving this as reason as to why there should be no penalty, but just because someone else got lucky and didn’t get caught bending the rules, doesn’t mean everyone should. It just means that the FIA should be more thorough and consistent, because they are terrible at that I will admit. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter because the penalty was given and Aston Martin didn’t make an appeal.
Oddly in their statement the Stewards noted that the consequences of the event were not a factor on their decision, but it’s hard to accept this. Alonso admitted to an error of judgement, and the rest is now history.
Precedent has been set .. consistency need to follow.
If the FIA has all the data, WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE ANYWAY IN ORDER TO MAKE ACCURATE DECISIONS, no team will ever have a right to request review because no new info can be brought forth.
Now GR has himself said he was looking at his steering for settings when FA was 0.5s ahead. First of all why would he even take his eyes away when there's a notorious corner coming up ahead ? He said just when he looked up he saw Alonso was right up his front wing. This isn't an incident that entails 20s. Maybe 5 sec for erratic behaviour, or 10s for the outcome. But that wouldn't have affected Alonso's finish position. So it's clear as Swiss waters, the stewards ( Johnny Herbert )just wanted to make an example out of Alonso.
P.S.: Chadlonso said earlier today that this penalty won't change anything in the way he defends or drives
Genuinely I think this was just Alonso going "hehehehe, time to get tricky so he can't jump me" (like he has been praised for for decades, look at his performances last year like in brazil)
and george not expecting it and getting unlucky/unsettled and losing it, which is a relatively unlikely result of the action, and not something that has been penalized before (source, Brazil 2023 plus kmag's defense performance)
Net takeaway is that it was an unfortunate accident that was absolutely judged based entirely around the result, or it would have maybe been a warning if it was noticed at all.
This long talk has just been the fia reluctant to admit any error or breaking of their own processes, even when it's damn obvious.
Nando is like a raccoon, he giggles in the corner making his little schemes, but he isn't a villain from speed racer. He just has the experience to do this type of thing, and it's both effective and safe 99.9% of the time for both parties.
While I agree a 20s penalty was way too harsh I don’t agree that what Fernando did was “just racing” or “smart tactics”. What people don’t seem to understand was that the problem wasn’t in him braking early or taking a different approach, it was the fact he braked and downshifted, then got back on the throttle and upshifted, then actually braked for the corner. Had he just braked earlier that wouldn’t have been an issue in the slightest as that is a way to get a better exit, but him getting back on throttle after initially braking is what the problem is. That wouldn’t have helped his exit at all in the same way breaking early for a corner would and actually caused him to get a worse exit in comparison to just braking early.
I’m not arguing that the FIAs decision process isn’t heavily flawed, because it is. What I am trying to say though is that what Fernando did was not racecraft or a smart move, it was either dirty driving with the intent to catch Russell off guard or he just realized he braked way too early for the corner and had to get back on the gas so wouldn’t lose out to Russell and completely compromise his corner entry.
If the positions were swapped you know the entire of the internet would be calling for George to get a race ban. Very few fans are able to put their biases aside when looking at incidents which hits a nerve with me. Maybe it’s because I grew up racing in motorsports and see so many bad takes from fans who clearly never been in a sanctioned racing environment. Motorsports of any kind have such a high barrier of entry that it’s one of the very few sports where the vast majority of fans have never participated in it themselves at any level. This creates the problem of people thinking they understand how the “game” is played because they’ve watched it for so many years but that understanding is formed from the opinions of others (most of which also don’t have experience in the sport), and not from actually understanding it through experience.
It’s like my dad and wrestling. Both me and my brother wrestled at fairly high level for many years and my dad became a huge fan of college wrestling despite having no personal experience participating in the sport. He’s watched more wrestling on tv than me or my brother ever have yet when when someone happens that he doesn’t agree with or has a very strong opinion on how something should be done, me and my brother can’t help but laugh because there’s so much nuance that you can’t get from simply observing.
That doesn’t mean you can’t be a fan or have opinions, just don’t make definitive statements under the guise you fully understand the situation. ✌️
Another data point is that George admitted that he had been looking at this wheel while approaching turn 6 which is why he hadn't noticed how much he had suddenly closed the gap. George was expecting the car ahead to do the same thing as the several laps before. I'm glad George was ok, but that was a rookie mistake on his part.
Albon's crash was at the same spot last year. Brought a corner of his car and a whole heap of gravel onto the track if I recall correctly. Need to deal with that runoff and barrier.
I think the many incidents at that corner absolutely don’t help the track’s case here. I’ve watched the replay a lot, and honestly- it’s very hard to justify the depth of the penalty. Alonso can’t make George crash without touching him or just outright throwing his car at him- but even on the telemetry that’s not quite what happened.
I don’t like to bring this up, but I feel Herbert probably had a great deal of “influence” over this decision, which doesn’t add to the FIA’s lessening credibility. Excellent video as always! I never know how you push these out so fast
George Russell just admitted to looking at his wheel and adjusting the before the crash.
I think this highlights a larger issue in F1. Drivers are massively over penalized for perceived driving infringements. If drivers from 20-30+ years ago saw this, they would have thought you were having a laugh. I think that Magnussen’s penalties from Jedda are suspect , if not wholly unnecessary. He contacted Albon, Albon on the outside and his front tyre touched Magnussen’s rear tyre. There was no accident, there was not even damage that resulted in any performance loss. 10 SECOND PENALTY! Even Magnussen’s penalty for just breaking track limits. He was passing/repassing Tsunoda, and the pass was completed. He did not cut the corner, and gained no advantage. Again, 10 seconds penalty. At most he should have been made to give the position back. With Alonso, how do you judge when someone slows too much? What if he loses power? F1 cars slow ferociously from only aero drag. With every event there seems to be unnecessary penalties. Drivers are constantly trying to ding other drivers with persistent complaints about driving, track limits, etc. I just think it’s gone too far. Drivers need to just focus on their driving. Penalties should only be imposed for more extreme and blatant violations.
I'm mad about the penalty.
I felt like it was a lack of concentration from George. Like what happened when he followed Lando's racing line in Singapore at the end of that race. And like you said it's not like there was contact between the two of them so right afterwards I thought that was harsh.
George got tunnel vision
Typical Russell move!!!!!!!!!!!!! He simply can not handle the pressure at the end of a race running close to the front. He has crashed many times in this manner. This was a joke from the FIA Stewards!!!! This is getting almost as bad as our American football. So subjective!!!!!
typical american commenting before thinking
@@lunalucifer3335 It is true what he said though...
The chuckle after saying Mike Krack's name always gets me
aggravating factors basically means that the fact there was someone following behind him meant that what he did made the following dangerous. If there was no one behind him, it may have been investigated but it may also not have been.
That corner has to revert to what it was before. It's not the first time a crash there has spat the car back out into the racing line since the reprofile.
I have no clue why all the media hasn't put more focus on this. I guess ragebaiting with whether the penalty is fair or not is far more engaging. Ah, the DTS effect runs strong...
George said he was looking at his steering wheel then looked up to a surprise.
The Saudi Arabian track needs this conversation of multiple high speed blind corners.
Well done for reaching 50 K Subs.
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2021 last race of the season, Checo slows down Lewis like 6 seconds, Lewis calls it dangerous driving. Was there a penalty?
People sayng the crash had nothing to do with the penalty are delusional. Drivers slow down in the apex to disrupt the driver behind ALL THE TIME is called racecraft.
Ridiculous penalty
Congrats on 50K subscribers Law!
Congrats on 50k🎉 been watching you since you had 3k. If you continue like this you'll be at 100k in no time
the best parte are the clowns with the "but he beheaved different than the other laps!" and is like...that's racing😭obviosuly he drove differente because had to defend for the first time that race
George said in a Japan interview yesterday that he was looking at a switch on the steering wheel and when he looked up again he was in Alonso gearbox. I think Australia gp should bring back the Clark chicane at turn 6
The way that corner spits drivers into the track is horrible, very similar to Spa, and we all remember what that led to in F2 just a few years ago. FIA needs to look at making changes to the barriers at fast corners like that so that if a driver goes off and crashes, they remain off the track.
Toto is always nervous in the last two laps with George.
Sweating into his visor about Alonso.
Savage ladder man.
This was absolutely a kneejerk reaction to the literal perfect storm
Stewards have been so inconsisten this season, like Perez getting 3 places grid for "impeding" but Norris getting nothing for a literal jumpstart
Also not only turn 6 is curently in a bad state, but this also speaks volumes of how undriveable this gen of cars are, they literaly don't work on dirty air, they're imposible to follow, they're so heavy and clumsy, so heavy they can carry enough momentum over a gravel trap so this kind of things happen, like in Silverstone 2022, Zhou upside down clearing the whole runoff and over the tire barrier because of the momentum, and even the anti-roll broke off for how heavy the crash was
I just hope the FIA takes a look to their stewards and track certification proces
Also that the 2026 cars are actualy an improvement over these
Lando said it best, "It wasn't a penalty, that's all I'm saying..."
IMHO, the Stewards reacted to the result of Alonso's driving (which they're not supposed to do).
For context is Hulkenberg referencing the corner itself or Alonso's actions in the corner when he is mentioning "the wrong speed range" etc
A sign that Alonso leaving Aston Martin to Mercedes same as he leaving Alpine for Aston Martin involved in accident with Lance Stroll 😁
Forget Aston Martin, the extra points that RB received from the penalty made beating them potentially much harder for Haas.
Congrats Brotha on 50,000 way more to go! Absolutely deserved
Congrats on your recent surge yourself!
at last we agree on something
I don't understand why the track argument is held against the Stewards and not Alonso. He is a veteran that knows most of the tracks blindly, so unawareness goes out the window, especially since Albon made everyone aware again. You mention that that move elsewhere would have done nothing, and now it is the move that is done with a dangerous corner with a harsh penalty (which the penalty doc mentions). Maybe there is a correlation there, and that is the reason for the stronger punishment.
Drivers doing dangerous moves in dangerous places get harder penalties. Not all tracks and not all the runoff areas can be modified, so this is necessary. If Alonso does that move in Baku, we have people in life-threatening conditions.
My personal opinion, if there is intent (like this one), i think punishments should be extendable to the point that the responsible team can not profit from making another car crash.(Again my personal opinion!)
Basically, Teflonso confessed to something he hadn’t really done with his panic BS excuse about a”sticky throttle”
Found the crying British 🤣 tell us when your Lulu wins a race again without a dominant car
@@barcafan94 Brazilian,surely?
If Ocon did it then the comment sections would have been calling for him to be disqualified. The fact is, he braked just over 100m before the natural braking zone. Accelerated again, and then braked once again for the normal braking zone. You CANNOT do that! 100m is quite a long way! So to double that braking distance unexpectedly with a car half a second behind is dangerous and unpredictable driving. When you’re racing at 200mph+ in close proximity, these drivers need to have some level of trust and predictability.
Lifting 30m early is a gradual deceleration. Delaying getting on throttle is not dangerous as cars have already completed the braking phase. What Alonso did was penalty worthy. Maybe just not 20 seconds. Perhaps they took into consideration what he did to Hamilton in Abu Dhabi in 2023 and wanted to set a precedent before it becomes a recurring habit
I have NOT expected for us two to see eye to eye on this. Damn Law,om point as always
Crazy that this is 2 for 2 in "alonso getting strange post race penalties that remain relevant for an unreasonably long stretch of time early in the year" since joining AM.
Two nickels and all that.
I always assumed the loose and unstable back end of the W15 was at fault. It just caught George off guard so he ended up in the barriers. 20 sec was way too much for something the man did not even do.
Props for changing your mind. It takes a real man to stand up and admit your previous choice was premature.
@lawVs what about Russell's statement made today about how he was looking down at his "wheel screen then looked up and was in alonso gear box" i mean i understand making adjustments but he should accept some accountability right? Just my question to 😅
This is once again the sporting body being a joke and I dont understand George suddenly supporting the penalty like as if he was backing up the stewards? anyways...this sucks
I think the biggest thing out of all of this is the fact nobody is highlighting what george russell said which was..
"I was making adjustments during the breaking zone😮"
And if you look at the onboards of mr russell, you will see just before he crashes he was fiddling with something using his right hand🤔
Which if you've even bothered playing the formula one game,you'll know your reaction times have to be faster than a cat, let alone for you to look down at a split second before a breaking zone..
This information from george russell kind of changes the situation for me ..
just a little bit
It just proves that George still needs to mature as a driver. He’ll get there but many times has he made mistakes due to a lack of racecraft or patience. I’m sure he was salivating over the possibility of passing Alonso on the following straight and let his guard down and underestimating his opponent.
Watching both drivers on boards for a few laps before the crash happened the breaking points are completely different for Fernando and I agree it should’ve been a 10 second penalty not a 20 second penalty. my personal belief is that George was doing what he said he’s was doing and changing some settings on the steering wheel, and that when he looked up to gauge the breaking point, made an error as a result of Fernando breaking early. I don’t think there’s anything the pit wall could’ve done to prevent it. I think the only thing that could’ve prevented that really would’ve been changing settings without looking at his steering wheel which he admitted to doing. Or George looking up sooner those are the only two solutions I could think of that would’ve prevented it not to mention I think George seen Fernando breaking early. He would’ve taken a line around Fernando and got the place. George is not a bad driver and I’m very curious to see how he’s going to develop when he no longer has Louis as his teammate, considering he’s beaten Louis or more than one occasion over the course of the weekend
I am of the opinion that, at this corner at this circuit, as a result of the installations at this point, the stewards were right in their decision, if not a bit lenient. Looking at the whole picture, the 3 laps before when GR was now on FA's tail, the breakcheck was out of sequence ..... FA had 3 laps to work this one out, but he chose to do it at that last lap. There was a deliberate change in his habitual approach to this corner. The going off is a consequence of what FA did, which was not predictable as was the case in the previous laps. GR was genuinely afraid for his life - you could hear it in his voice - which was legitimate. It was the intent that was punished not the act and the punishment was to serve as an example. What was taekn into consideration here was the pplace of the incident and its potential future concequences, which, if we are really honest, we never want to see ever. The proposed remedy ?? Turn 6 becomes an extended straight ?
Johhny Herbert as a steward happened :D They love each other with Alonso
Its this kind of stuff that has really made me lose faith in F1. It's now to the point of: whats the point of watching if the races are going to be decided by the officials making inconsistent penalties rather than letting the racing decide the results.
Wheel tethers are still undoubtedly a good idea, George getting out of the car and running to the barrier before all cars had passed seems like a bad idea. Any questioning of the benefit of wheel tethers seems like a stupid knee jerk reaction and I was surprised to hear it even brought up
Would love to hear you chat with Matt and Tommy... I think that would be F1 gold!
The FIA decided to go after Alonso because otherwise, the attention would be on the delayed yellow flag instead of an instant red flag.
Alonso outsmarted Russel. It was a veteran move. Alonso showed a great defencive skills, these days F1 doesn't promote talent. If Russel shouldn't have crashed then the story would have been different but very unfair decision by FIA, unlucky Alonso 💚
It's a series of mistakes piled on top of each other. Similar behaviour has gone unpunished for quite some time (Kmag did it just the race before). The decision making process was clearly heavily influenced by the outcome. The barriers are positioned in such a way on that corner that the cars get thrown back onto the track. And worst of all: they should have thrown a red flag. There is absolutely no excuse for that last one.
It probably shouldn't have been considered aggravated hence the drivethrough, and been just a base penalty of a 10 yes
I think what made it worse for Alonso is when he started blaming the throttle. He clearly felt like he did something wrong in that moment and tried to spew excuses around.
I still think there shouldn't be any penalty there. Russel is 100% to blame. He was looking at his steering wheel, was pushing too much, braked later while Alonso was clearly slowing down, put it in the wall on the last lap like he usually does when fighting for more point at the end of a race... Hell, is there anything Russel did right? I'd say the only thing Russel was right about is the fact that a red flag should've been called the second he was sideways in the middle of the track right after a high speed blind corner.
I'm sorry, it's up to the overtaking car to do so safely. He's also responsible for maintaining control of his own vehicle. He is a professional driver, he should be able to react to a car ahead lifting before the regular braking zone, especially when lifting and coasting is not an uncommon thing with the sport.
If I was Aston, after hearing those comments from Russell where he admitted he was distracted right before the incident, I would immediately challenge this stupid penalty.
Johnny Herbert was involved as a race stewart. Explains everything
but...Alphonso said he made a mistake and didn't do the exact thing he was planning to do. Then he made up some dumb excuse about the throttle. So he knew he did wrong 🤷♂
Regardless of how you feel about Alonso's attitude or approach to racing, the problem that needs to be addressed is the fact that dirty air alone can cause a car to run off the track. Alonso may have slowed intentionally, but sometimes drivers have genuine problems that cause them to slow suddenly. This should never cause the car behind to lose control. Changing the tracks so that crashed cars don't come back on is obviously a good thing to do. But even better would be to prevent the crash in the first place.
He should not have even been questioned about an incident Russell caused himself......
Both Mercedes were pushing bad all weekend when each driver tried to push the car hard. Russell caught Alonso but then Alonso slowly turned up the wick and Russell's car couldn't hang. I did that all the time racing slot cars. I'm in a groove/rhythm then someone slowly starts catching me, I turn it up and the other guy comes off due to driving beyond his capability or car set up.
It was a "pity call" by the stewards for Mercedes.
Been thinking bout this myself
I don’t think I’ve seen anything quite like it before
If it was so unsettling and unpredictable to the car behind
Perhaps there’s a greater underlying issue
Is ground effect truely any better for racing idk
I don't really agree with that penalty
And actually it reminds me of Canada 2019 when seb got robbed of victory to a penalty
I think one of the best comparisons for this incident is baku 2017 with hamilton and vettel. hamilton sped up and then slowed down at the exit of a corner and vettel hit him from behind. vettel then got mad and slammed his car into hamiltons and got penalized for reckless driving but hamilton faced no penalties. obviously hamilton didn’t need to do that but he has the right to as a driver. I feel that the same logic should have been applied to alonso here because there is president for this kind of incident.
Lewis didn’t brake check that day the telemetry showed that Infact the lap Vettel got angry with Lewis carried more speed into that apex than the previous lap. It’s not the same situation as Alonso as there was clear brake manipulation into that corner
Vettel should have been DSQ for that petulant display.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Typical Vettel jaja
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 wdym lewis carried more speed into the apex at baku. it was under safety car conditions. lewis slowed down just like alonso and if you read the press release with regards to australia 2024 the FIA admit that although alonso touches the brakes, it’s not the brakes that made any significant deceleration rather it was the downshift. so how is that not different to baku 2017.