Most Detailed: The Unsung Hero Marine Corps Officer that allocated UNSC funds to install the best speaker system on every Warthog and play epic music by 2551.
Well, i mean. A 3 ton metal mass traveling at 100kmph, that's gotta hit hard. So i did the calculations, around 2.315 Meganewtons, that's around 254929 Kg of force. Yeah, that'd kill anything
@@willcaputo1 Covenant Interrogation log 50: Interrogator: What is this symbol on your vehicles. Marine: Seriously? Its called penis. We put it there to piss off our CO. That and we think its funny. Interrogator: What religous significance does it have? Marine: Well...... if you must know ;D News report: Lately, covenant invasion forces have been seen with penises painted onto their armor, vehicles, and starships. This has resulted in a massive morale boost for all UNSC forces.
No different that our real world counterparts. Many soldiers & marines always put their custom signinia on their assets as art & to make battle identifications easier. 😂
@@willcaputo1 Marines wouldn't make them overly bizarre and noticeable from a distance. But they absolutely would put their own bullshit on vehicles if they could.
I would say an American Full Truck Really. A lot of cars in America cars are 14- 16 feet long on average. (Am American so I would know) I do know in Egypt American Midsided cars are Full sized in egypt.
I'm just thinking the 'embarrassing' early paint thing was some guys drew a hog on their hog [if you know what I mean] and covvys arrived before they could change it back, they where deployed, saw massive success and became figure heads. They then requested to be reclassified as Delta Team and called themselves The D and went around apocalypse now style blasting Tenacious D.
Marine #1: Shit guys we at bingo fuel. Marine #2: Aight who's gotta take a leak? Technically, yes. You can also steam some veggies in the field by holding them next to the tailpipe. Deployment photos have also been found of marines on scout patrol cooking their dinner by sticking it on the block, as it runs hotter than a gasoline engine. :D You could run the thing on anything containing H20 apparently, so go ahead and run yours on Dr. Pepper for all I care. It might even run on Covenant blood.
You're exactly right. The M852 Arctic Warthog, which was scrapped from Halo CE, has exactly this design, take a look: www.halopedia.org/M862_Arctic_Warthog
May I introduce our new Light-Reconnaissance Vehicle. It has 4-inch armor plating, MAG bumper suspension, a mounted machine gunner position, and total seating for three. Gentlemen! This is the M12 LRV! I like to call it the "Warthog".
“Extremely substantial” No kidding, I think we know more about the Hog than we do a few characters Also, something I realized...if the engine procduces steam as its only byproduct, and there's a water-splitter in the engine...you could capture the steam coming out of the exhaust, cool it, and then recycle it back into the fuel tank. -And he beat me too it. DAMN.
We’ve definitely got to thank 343 Industries for expanding the lore of the Halo franchise by a massive landslide over the years when we didn’t have much to go on before with what Bungie left us after leaving.
I can make a guess as to why they don't just recycle the exhaust steam(13:54). It's likely due to heat, keeping the steam on board to re-use would require cooling for the steam tank in order to get it to condensate fast enough to be of any use , which it's likely not worth the extra weight given how easy it is to get more water.
Uhhh. Converting water to hydrogen is going to take the same net energy you get from combusting hydrogen gas… this would break the law of thermodynamics by creating limitless energy…
Just a small detail, CVT transmission means you have an infinite number of possible ratios between a minimum and a maximum set. There is still a minimum and a maximum gear, you can just have any possible ratio between those.
Why doesn't the UNSC make their Scorpion tanks have a railgun and shoots a 120mm uranium anti tank round instead of 90mm tungsten armor-piecing high explosive rounds?
To pack more ammo. Have you seen size of the tank's barrel? It's bigger than a Stryker's today. The muzzle velocity on that would be overkill by today's standards.
I have 2 problems. 1. Infinite gear is probably a word to mean "gearless" transmission. It still conflicts with sounds of gear switching, but makes some sense. 2. Turning Water into Hydrogen and Oxygen with 100% efficiency and then turning Hydrogen and Oxygen to Water with 100% efficiency? Why doesn't the machine that turns water into H2 and O2 power the Warthog? It would be at 100% the same. And since it needs cooling it isn't 100%, which means that machine would do better than engine.
Point 2: It's worse than that. You couldn't use the electrolyzer that breaks down water into hydrogen and oxygen gas for an engine because it's a consumer. It consumes electricity to synthesize the fuel rather than provide torque or electricity. But how much of the engine's power? 100%! Because as described the Warthog is a perpetual motion machine! It's an engine that makes its own fuel. Just... no.
@@Appletank8 As crazy as it sounds, there are actually real world examples of this. I'm currently sitting in a 2015 Nissan Juke Nismo with an AWD and CVT design. My automotive teacher says the 'gearshifts' are purely aesthetic.
@@SpartanNnja Audio aesthetics seem like wasted effort in a military vehicle. I know about many passenger cars with fake shifts because people couldn't comprehend noiseless gear changing.
I would assume that they would use their helmets to control where the gun is facing and hand controls for the movement, and then have a bunch of automated systems. It's probably the worst of the human vehicles in Halo, when it comes to realistic functionality. It still looks cool, but probably shouldn't be a main battle tank. The maintenance bit, I have no real idea. I would assume that everyone rated to drive a Scorpion is also a mechanic. That is the only thing I can see, but that would mean that if combat repairs need to be done, the tank would be taken out of commission until the pilot has finished repairs, which would make it vulnerable to enemy fire.
@@avatariroh0543 Hopefully they add a human tank in Infinite that has a driver and gunner, that shouldn't be too much to ask since the warthog already functions like that and it would be much more fun.
The Scorpion is actually supposed to have 2 people running it, but seeing as you play as a Spartan with a super advanced AI, you can do it by yourself. They probably just kept it in the other games to not break the game.
"Simmons, whats that Mexican lizard that eats goats" "That would be the Chupacabra, sir" "Hey Grif, how 'bout that? Chupathingy. I like it. Has a ring to it"
I haven't watched yet, (will when I have a bit) but I'm desperately hoping for a Puma reference in here somewhere. 19:40 I can't tell if that's actually a reference or not, but I'll take it
There’s likely a very simple answer for why the drivetrain in the Warthog sounds like it’s ‘shifting’ when it doesn’t necessarily do that, and that’s likely for the operator’s benefit, and the fact that anything carrying force from point A to point B has to be de-loaded while it selects it’s next ratio, which involves either raising or lowering RPM speed dependent on an up shift or a downshift
Wait what. I need this in my life. Shielded Hog is already great, but OP Needler turret too? What's next? We stick a fuel rod gun on it? I mean all we gotta do is sever a Hunter arm, plug some wires in, duct tape it to the .50, and we got it made.
14:00 there is ONE potential reason. The voiced description for the warthog in Forza 4 mentions that the engine for the warthog can and has been used as a portable water filtration system (special mention going to the survivors of the crashed UNSC Frigate Daedalus) by UNSC forces in lieu of more efficient devices. Since clean drinking water is crucial to the function of human life (and since I doubt going thirsty or contracting dysentery in space seems like fun), this seems like something that was an intentional design choice.
I really appreciate that you mention nitrates as a result of a hydrogen-air burn. Most people don't realize that the 'water vapor' exhaust only happens with pure O2
And let’s be really, REALLY honest: Despite the Warthog is extremely iconic, and the UNSC has mostly positive review, the fact that it only held 3 personal and has literally NO armor for a vehicle this large and heavy, makes it kind of a horrible choice for a military vehicle.
It was and is supposed to be a scout vehicle, it was never first meant to be used in large scale battles such as Reach's Tip of The Spear. (Those would be more fitting for Wolverines and Cobras) But UNSC most likely thought its speed and utility on many situations proved the warthogs worth on the battlefield
Wolfie Cascade Actually no, the Warthog is fitting a similar role of HWMMVs today, as an utility and recon vehicle, yet HWMMVs come in with armor (at least some of its variants). As an ex-servicemen, I would say that the very exposed design of the Warthog will be the worst nightmare for its crew member.
I really appreciate your most detailed breakdown videos man. As an engineer, it really makes me appreciate what you do and the deep lore Halo has even more than some probably. Thank you 🙏🏼
About the engine: The hydrogen-injection system isn't a full hydrogen fuel. It's an additive. Basically dumping hydrogen into the mix makes it Boom better. In effect, this allows the engine to pull about double the amount of air per stroke in the fuel air mix, and creates a more efficient burn. The catalyst is used to pull hydrogen out of existing fuels, not in the burn itself. The fun part is that for all of the that-shouldn't-work-that-way futurism of the Warthog, this, like everything else about the warthog? Is already possible, and in some cases, is already being used. Hydrogen Fuel Enhancement is already a thing. As is the IVT(The Nissan Extroid used one), etc.
I think the reason why they opted for direct dive, is most likely cost, and ease of manufacturing, along with efficiency and complexity, it gives us a simple design, and can be pumped out quickly and cheaply since it was for the Colonial Military Authority (CMA), and being so common with the outer colonies and maybe inner colonies as well, would make sense for it to be built cheaply as is. Plus with the insurrectionist, and later the covvies, it would make sense to not add needed complexity so they can be continuously pumped out, and with parts being so common they won't need to worry about having to find parts for it. Plus its modular, and you know how the military loves its modularity.
Recent, Chemical Engineering Graduate. Long time Halo fan. I have a hypothesis of as to why the exhaust system decides not to re condense the exhaust steam generated from the hydrogen engine. Mainly the trouble of condensing super heated steam, this is an intensely energetic process, or rather requires a cooling medium to remove all the energy from the steam to turn it to liquid. While this process isn't impossible it does however pose a few caveats that would potentially limit the combat effectiveness. Mainly the idea that you would require a constant influx of this cooling medium, so much that amount of coolant needed to do so might actually hinder the weight and mobility of the vehicle, and that weight/space needed for said system and coolant tanks could be better utilized for the initial fuel tank, or the coolant used to prevent the engine from overheating. It wouldnt be very smart to sacrifice your engine cooling or size of your fuel tank for fractional recovery of said expended fuel. More over the vehicle would need to be designed to run without this fuel recycling system in case it was ever damaged, if the coolant began to leak, or the heat exchange cooling system damaged, you might end up recycling hot steam into the engine which best case could lead to the engine stalling, and at worse the engine heating up from the steam beyond the ability of the engine to be cooled and thus overheating and potentially making the internal combustion engine and external combustion applicator. Neither of which is something you want in a military vehicle.
Honestly, the engine is more complex then needed. A purely electric hydrogen fuel cell would convert the hydrogen/oxygen reaction directly into motive power more efficiently than the ICE. It features fewer moving parts and is incredibly light. I don't get why they didnt know that.
I really do wish they could roll it back as well. The unique suspension, the large rotary cannon. Now it's so samey with every other truck with the independent suspension and smaller chain gun.
@@dustrider5274 At the very least; two things I wish they would bring back for the hog would be the rectangular head lights on the top and bottom, and the octagonal shape of the gun turret shield.
In offroad vehicles it makes more sense not so much In somthing that big. If it were say, a side by side (UTV the vehicle in my profile pic) it would make complete sense.
“We may occasionally prematurely end our travels by barrel rolling of a cliff, but that’s just by the by, call it an occupational hazard.” Got me so hard omg-
I was always under the impression that the warthog was a Chevy with a built LS... not an AMG/Mercedes. Very intresting. Im also seeing comments about it using a CVT transmission. In offroad vehicles like side by sides and quads it makes complete sense and id highly recommended watching some videos explaining why in a side by side cvt is better than manual or auto. Assuming theyre using the same design as a side by side and using futuristic primary and secondary in transmission housing clutch set up. It makes sense theyre using a cvt.
I believe the civilian and logistic versions could be fitted with a condensing unit but would be too clunky and heavy on the technicals since condensers are usually pretty big
The fact a warthog can carry three gen 2 Spartans is a testament to its strength and versatility as a all round vehicle, not to mention the range of mounted guns, Spartans can be from 800-1000 pounds plus in weaight
I think i might have an idea why the steam doesn't get recycled back into the feul intake. It most likely has to do with radiating off the heat from the engine.
26:55 I remember playing halo 3 with my buddy Aiden and we got all the way to this level without dying a single time...till that tower introduced itself.
This isn't how spaced armor works. Watch a video in the Leopard 2A5 arrowhead to get the details, but the short version is that the first layer of armor will cause a projectile to yaw if its length is less than the distance between the spaced armor. Your version of this implies that energy is lost to the void, which is impossible
Pre sure their armour variants in lore. Didn't Ghost Of Onyx mention it? The UNSC made use of the stripped down variant we see in the games is because of the Covenant plasma weaponary, being armoured would just melt it & trapping the occupants in the vehicles.
idk recycling water exaust to be used as fuel seems like such an obious way to increase range and engine efficency that there's no way it doesn't work like that, it's basicaly my head-canon
One thing about the electric drive/hybrid vs. combustion engine only on a military vehicle Lithium Ion Batteries tend to explode when shot Fuel is less likely to do that
Those could very easily be simple water cans. For example the modern day US military 20 liter water can and the 20 liter fuel can do look quite similar. And since the UNSC obviously wouldn't be using gasoline, diesel, or other fuels, there isn't any hazard to getting the two mixed up.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 from what I remember the only difference is the color. The blue ones are for people fuel. The red ones are for car fuel.
The warthog being able t produce enough power to accelerate a round to mach 40-41 every second or so. Is yet another example of writers taking a random ass biger number, and running with it, without thinking trough what such numbers really mean. If we assume that: 1, the round is made from wolfram. 2, the round is a cyllinder. then: it would have a mass of 1 231 grams, or 1,231 kg, accelerated to mach 41, resulting in 121 726 185 joules per shot. ( 121,7 megajoules ) ( keep in mind that the same equivilant of energy would be pushed back into the gun and vehicle as recoil, most likely tearing the gun off ) In equivilant watts, which luckily is just joules/seconds, so still 121,7 million watts. The warthog's hydrogen cells are *somehow* meant to produce this much wattage, while driving at full speed. For comparisson, current fixed naval guns with buildings for their own power, runs at around 64 megajoules, and travels at around 2 000 meters/second, compared to the 14 063 meters/second of the gauss turret. Given the results and animation seen in reach, it would make much more sense if it was launched at a way lower speed, which would also make the power generation of the warthog, a lot less physics breaking. So either the warthog would require a way different powerplant with immensely more potential output, or the velocity is incorrect.
I think the hog might actually already recycle its exhaust until needing to refill because of 2 main reasons in one of the books I read I vaguely remember them mentioning not having to refill the hog because of its "efficient recycling on fuel" and that the hog never leaves a smoke or vapor trail while in use. Awesome video just tried to add on.
An infinitely variable transmission is just a fancy sifi name for a CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission). CVTs consist of two cone shaped pulleys and an elastic chain that continuously change the ratios of the input and output shafts, so there are no gears AT ALL, just a minimum and maximum drive ratios. These transmission have run out of favour in recent days because they made cars "feel" slow because there were no gear shifts. this as accurate in Halo CE all the way through 3, but in Reach Bungie added gear shift noises so apparently they went back to either traditional transmissions, or most likely they programmed the CVT's to have fake "gears" like what a lot of cars like the Subaru Impreza WRX do nowadays.
I kinda hope engine tech like what the Warthogs use becomes a thing. I know the infrastructure would be super difficult to get traction on at first, but it’d be sick as fuck at least for small vehicles like motorcycles (I know Kawasaki is working on hydrogen engines, which is super dope, but idk how expensive nor efficient they’ll be)
Actually, they do sort of the toyota mirai is a hydrogen powered car gets 402 miles per tank and 76mpg in the city only problem is its like 4x more expensive than gas basically the same as $16 per gallon
@@TheAce00 is it hydrogen-hydrogen or hydrogen fuel cell? I ask cuz I hear they’re working on non fuel cell ones, and the expense would likely be more as long as the infrastructure was lacking to support it. If the infrastructure becomes more widespread, then the tech could become practical. It’ll be cool, but only if it really is feasible.
@jalakor it is a hydrogen fuel cell, but you're right. im excited to see where the tech goes for sure. As for toyota, they said they are slowing production on electric cars in favor of hydrogen tech. im thinking if they play the cards right, toyota will be a leader in hydrogen power
I had no idea there was more involved in this design, glad to see it was a significant work horse for both the military and civilian life for over two centuries. That hydrogen combustion engine tho.
Really Neat stuff. Would love to hear some detail on the elephant, mammoth, or albatross. Things that go boom and do cool things are excellent, but ya gotta have logistics behind it all.
(for reference I am a degree qualified Chemical Engineer) I would imagine the reason for skipping on an exhaust recapture system is that steam condensing systems are incredibly self-destructive. Due to the massive Energy of Condensation transferred by water as it undergoes the gas>liquid phase transition (the property that makes steam such an amazing energy transportation medium), condenser systems are subject to extreme corrosion and high ambient temperatures. Given the Hog's already immense range and the trivial nature of refuelling, a condenser system that requires regular refit and necessitates significant heat sink or insulation structures around the exhaust was probably deemed to be more limiting to the range and operation of the vehicle than the increased efficiency gained from a recycling exhaust system. For reference to the incredible destructive power of vapourising/condensing water have a look at "cavitation" and the effect it has on propeller blades.
About that highest safty rating. There exists a story in the Halo-verse about a bunch of Marines who found themselves on a crashing ship with no escape pod in sight but a hangar full of 'Hogs. They jumped onto one and drove out of the hangar while the ship was still mid-air. They survived the fall... Not as in "All-bones-broken-barely-haninging-on-by-a-thread" kind of way but by being completely unscathed. If this isnt a testament to the near indesutructability of the 'Hog, I dont know what is.... Addendum: Im not rulling out the fact that the planet might have been low gravity. Also, Ive read this story ages ago and details may be fuzzy.
Controversial opinion: halo was so successful because of the warthog. Many fps games had tried vehicle sections before. But few got anywhere close to the unbridled joy of tearing through a level in a warthog with your marine gunner spewing quips.
Let's not forget some of the most common ways Spartans use Warthogs. *clears throat* Jamming them in doorways until they go through, arming and throwing grenades under them and using them as discount catapults, and ramming them into any thing that moves and hoping it will die.
Honestly 3 metric tons is not a lot of weight for a truck. I recently had to get rid of a 2007 diesel Chevrolet 2500 (RIP) that weighted about 4.9 metric tons. The height, length, and width of the Warthog makes the weight impressively light. My wife and I also once had an F350 that was slightly larger at roughly 5.6 metric tons in weight. The Warthog is a light weight beast of a machine, I rest my case. Also the tech to build a hydrogen powered ICE has been around for quite some time, and with the advent of turbo chargers, Im sure we could build this engine, given enough time (and government spending). Hydrogen is the future of ground vehicle tech, not electric.
Most Detailed: The Unsung Hero Marine Corps Officer that allocated UNSC funds to install the best speaker system on every Warthog and play epic music by 2551.
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT MUSIC??
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I cannot be the only one that's blasted that instead of Warthog Run before.
The warthog is like the Jeep in ww2 in terms of impact.
Nice analogy 💪
drives just as well halo 2 and up.
The shocks on this thing must be amazing, considering that it can take 3 fully loaded and armored Spartans, without even the slightest bit of squat
Plus a turret and still be able to perform jumps without breaking down
Dont forget how in H5 the Spartans jungle gym around it like kids in a playground
It's probably variable magnetic suspension if we're going by modern abilities
@@RhodokTribesman was gonna say this. Electronically-controlled suspensions are already a thing nowadays.
There is also the razorback variant, it can carry 6 personnel
"Noo you can't just touch us with the warthog and expect us to die!" - Hunters
"Hog go vroom vroom." - Chief
***puma
I no longer need to go to the gym, laughed a little too hard now I have imaginary abs XD
@@Lanay_ "Stop making up animals"
‘Laughs in Combat Evolved’
Well, i mean. A 3 ton metal mass traveling at 100kmph, that's gotta hit hard.
So i did the calculations, around 2.315 Meganewtons, that's around 254929 Kg of force. Yeah, that'd kill anything
I love the detail that the Warthog's finish had to be encrypted to keep the Marines from giving them custom paint jobs.
Conversely, could you imagine how confused the Covenant would be if a bunch of hogs with some wildly bizarre color scheme would be?
@@willcaputo1
Covenant Interrogation log 50:
Interrogator: What is this symbol on your vehicles.
Marine: Seriously? Its called penis. We put it there to piss off our CO. That and we think its funny.
Interrogator: What religous significance does it have?
Marine: Well...... if you must know ;D
News report: Lately, covenant invasion forces have been seen with penises painted onto their armor, vehicles, and starships. This has resulted in a massive morale boost for all UNSC forces.
No different that our real world counterparts. Many soldiers & marines always put their custom signinia on their assets as art & to make battle identifications easier. 😂
@@willcaputo1 Marines wouldn't make them overly bizarre and noticeable from a distance. But they absolutely would put their own bullshit on vehicles if they could.
Does no one remember the halo wars flame paint job on the worthogs
"A colossal 20 feet" sounds like a pretty average American car
I thought 20ft was the average?
I would say an American Full Truck Really. A lot of cars in America cars are 14- 16 feet long on average. (Am American so I would know) I do know in Egypt American Midsided cars are Full sized in egypt.
To match the length, width and hight you have to go up to a Heavy pickup. F250 Super duty, GMC Sierra. Commercial pickup.
I'm just thinking the 'embarrassing' early paint thing was some guys drew a hog on their hog [if you know what I mean] and covvys arrived before they could change it back, they where deployed, saw massive success and became figure heads.
They then requested to be reclassified as Delta Team and called themselves The D and went around apocalypse now style blasting Tenacious D.
I'd give this a like, but it's at 117.
halo ce warthog was the embodiment of " they dont make em' like they used to"
The most fun fucking around in game was running around with a warthog with marines on board!
Does this mean a marine could pee in the fuel tank of a warthog and it will run?
Yep
i thought the same thing
UNSC CO: well yes, but actually no, but actually yes.
Marine #1: Shit guys we at bingo fuel.
Marine #2: Aight who's gotta take a leak?
Technically, yes. You can also steam some veggies in the field by holding them next to the tailpipe. Deployment photos have also been found of marines on scout patrol cooking their dinner by sticking it on the block, as it runs hotter than a gasoline engine. :D
You could run the thing on anything containing H20 apparently, so go ahead and run yours on Dr. Pepper for all I care. It might even run on Covenant blood.
27:47 given the design of the warthog, they’d probably install gull wing doors
That's how I always pictured it.
You're exactly right. The M852 Arctic Warthog, which was scrapped from Halo CE, has exactly this design, take a look:
www.halopedia.org/M862_Arctic_Warthog
that and their propensity for sending themselves skyward XD
Phobos Anomaly I thought you would rickroll us
The forge hog from halo wars 2 also has gull wings
May I introduce our new Light-Reconnaissance Vehicle. It has 4-inch armor plating, MAG bumper suspension, a mounted machine gunner position, and total seating for three. Gentlemen! This is the M12 LRV! I like to call it the "Warthog".
It looks like a Puma
@@Racko94 what in Sam hell is a puma!
@@Racko94 uhh you mean like the shoe company, right?
@@maxmoore970 No, a puma. It's a big cat, like a lion
Your making that up
"It looks like a Puma." (Someone had to say it.)
Izumi Shion someone already said that
It very VAUGLY looks like one
Red vs blue reference
Ah, the Warthog. AKA the M4 Sherman but if it was a future space car.
Great video.
I like this comparison, it suits it
19:40
(Angry Sarge's Sounds)
I WANT A WARTHOG IN MY GARAGE!
I don't like animal cruelty, it's a pack animal, let it in the house... ffs
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And you can. If you are super handy and/or independently wealthy.
@@SQTOS he meants a vehicle
@@ninaroop-hoffman5955
You know what?
You're right....
Who doesn't.
“Extremely substantial”
No kidding, I think we know more about the Hog than we do a few characters
Also, something I realized...if the engine procduces steam as its only byproduct, and there's a water-splitter in the engine...you could capture the steam coming out of the exhaust, cool it, and then recycle it back into the fuel tank.
-And he beat me too it. DAMN.
Or if you know cars you use the traveling steam to feed it back into the engine producing a steam-powered turbocharger
Survival can also be a factor. Drink the by product.
One of the Halo demos in Forza has Cortana noting that Marines used hogs to survive on a planet for weeks via this source of water.
That ... sounds like a perpetual motion machine
@@Appletank8 NO
We’ve definitely got to thank 343 Industries for expanding the lore of the Halo franchise by a massive landslide over the years when we didn’t have much to go on before with what Bungie left us after leaving.
I can make a guess as to why they don't just recycle the exhaust steam(13:54). It's likely due to heat, keeping the steam on board to re-use would require cooling for the steam tank in order to get it to condensate fast enough to be of any use , which it's likely not worth the extra weight given how easy it is to get more water.
I can get behind this theory
What heat? From a physics standpoint, this engine is getting energy from nowhere!
That's definitely plausible however all it would take is a radiator. All things ratio'd, another few kilo's of weight you'd never notice.
Uhhh. Converting water to hydrogen is going to take the same net energy you get from combusting hydrogen gas… this would break the law of thermodynamics by creating limitless energy…
@@super41696 The conversion process is probably powered by a seperate car battery. Not by the actual fuel source.
Just a small detail, CVT transmission means you have an infinite number of possible ratios between a minimum and a maximum set. There is still a minimum and a maximum gear, you can just have any possible ratio between those.
1:08 timing win. No doubt on purpose. One of my favorite Halo 2 moments.
Agreed!
Do y’all think 2319 is a monsters inc reference or a happy coincidences
2319! 2319!!!
Shoot I just posted something about that here before I saw this
Last time I was this early, the Human Forerunner War was still raging.
Why doesn't the UNSC make their Scorpion tanks have a railgun and shoots a 120mm uranium anti tank round instead of 90mm tungsten armor-piecing high explosive rounds?
Thor's Hammer They do have the Hannibal scorpion, which I feel should be the mainline scorpion, as it’s better then the standard scorpion
I assume for the same reason that human handheld weapons haven’t changed much.
To pack more ammo. Have you seen size of the tank's barrel? It's bigger than a Stryker's today. The muzzle velocity on that would be overkill by today's standards.
That's called the Hannibal scorpion. Sadly that only exist in war zone and Forge. Because there's only a handful of them that were actually made
They probably focused their resources more on space technology like slip space and colonizing other planets.
I have 2 problems.
1. Infinite gear is probably a word to mean "gearless" transmission. It still conflicts with sounds of gear switching, but makes some sense.
2. Turning Water into Hydrogen and Oxygen with 100% efficiency and then turning Hydrogen and Oxygen to Water with 100% efficiency? Why doesn't the machine that turns water into H2 and O2 power the Warthog? It would be at 100% the same. And since it needs cooling it isn't 100%, which means that machine would do better than engine.
One could theoretically have a manually shifted CVT for ... some reason. Rule of cool?
The waste product is steam from exaust. How can you collect it when you are constantly being attacked by enemies?? I don't think it's necessary
Point 2: It's worse than that. You couldn't use the electrolyzer that breaks down water into hydrogen and oxygen gas for an engine because it's a consumer. It consumes electricity to synthesize the fuel rather than provide torque or electricity. But how much of the engine's power? 100%! Because as described the Warthog is a perpetual motion machine! It's an engine that makes its own fuel. Just... no.
@@Appletank8 As crazy as it sounds, there are actually real world examples of this. I'm currently sitting in a 2015 Nissan Juke Nismo with an AWD and CVT design. My automotive teacher says the 'gearshifts' are purely aesthetic.
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Audio aesthetics seem like wasted effort in a military vehicle. I know about many passenger cars with fake shifts because people couldn't comprehend noiseless gear changing.
Breakdown the skorpion tank, I'm always wondering how the 1 crew isn't overburdened with shit to do in combat and out of combat(maintenance)
I would assume that they would use their helmets to control where the gun is facing and hand controls for the movement, and then have a bunch of automated systems. It's probably the worst of the human vehicles in Halo, when it comes to realistic functionality. It still looks cool, but probably shouldn't be a main battle tank. The maintenance bit, I have no real idea. I would assume that everyone rated to drive a Scorpion is also a mechanic. That is the only thing I can see, but that would mean that if combat repairs need to be done, the tank would be taken out of commission until the pilot has finished repairs, which would make it vulnerable to enemy fire.
@@avatariroh0543 Hopefully they add a human tank in Infinite that has a driver and gunner, that shouldn't be too much to ask since the warthog already functions like that and it would be much more fun.
The Scorpion is actually supposed to have 2 people running it, but seeing as you play as a Spartan with a super advanced AI, you can do it by yourself. They probably just kept it in the other games to not break the game.
At 25:40 I imagine the marines either putting "drawings" or trying to rick roll people.
guiltyofbias the 881st imagine if rick roll is still a thing in 530 years
"Simmons, whats that Mexican lizard that eats goats"
"That would be the Chupacabra, sir"
"Hey Grif, how 'bout that? Chupathingy. I like it. Has a ring to it"
No that's fine, sir.
@@timesthree5757 Are you sure? How bout Bigfoot?
@@dasovietunion3370 no, sir.
@@timesthree5757 Unicorn?
@@dasovietunion3370 no, sir I'm good, sir.
I haven't watched yet, (will when I have a bit) but I'm desperately hoping for a Puma reference in here somewhere.
19:40 I can't tell if that's actually a reference or not, but I'll take it
Bow chicka wow wow
No chupacabra unfortunately
There’s likely a very simple answer for why the drivetrain in the Warthog sounds like it’s ‘shifting’ when it doesn’t necessarily do that, and that’s likely for the operator’s benefit, and the fact that anything carrying force from point A to point B has to be de-loaded while it selects it’s next ratio, which involves either raising or lowering RPM speed dependent on an up shift or a downshift
One variant you forgot to mention was the Sword Needler Warthog, the joint UNSC/Swords of Sanghelios warthog with shields and needler spitting turret.
Wait what. I need this in my life. Shielded Hog is already great, but OP Needler turret too?
What's next? We stick a fuel rod gun on it? I mean all we gotta do is sever a Hunter arm, plug some wires in, duct tape it to the .50, and we got it made.
3:44 so like the similar controls between a T-16 skyhopper and an X-wing. Neat.
14:00 there is ONE potential reason. The voiced description for the warthog in Forza 4 mentions that the engine for the warthog can and has been used as a portable water filtration system (special mention going to the survivors of the crashed UNSC Frigate Daedalus) by UNSC forces in lieu of more efficient devices. Since clean drinking water is crucial to the function of human life (and since I doubt going thirsty or contracting dysentery in space seems like fun), this seems like something that was an intentional design choice.
I really appreciate that you mention nitrates as a result of a hydrogen-air burn. Most people don't realize that the 'water vapor' exhaust only happens with pure O2
0:00 "In 2319..."
*MONSTERS INC INTENSIFIES*
18:44
00: Says that the warthog has the highest safety rating in the 26th century.
00: Also shows one getting blown up by a scarab.😆
To be fair, highest safety rating in the 26th century didn't mean much considering the covies death count
Well it didn't mean it's plasma proof 😅
Hey, if it takes a Scarab to kill its occupants I'd say that's pretty safe.
And let’s be really, REALLY honest: Despite the Warthog is extremely iconic, and the UNSC has mostly positive review, the fact that it only held 3 personal and has literally NO armor for a vehicle this large and heavy, makes it kind of a horrible choice for a military vehicle.
It was and is supposed to be a scout vehicle, it was never first meant to be used in large scale battles such as Reach's Tip of The Spear. (Those would be more fitting for Wolverines and Cobras)
But UNSC most likely thought its speed and utility on many situations proved the warthogs worth on the battlefield
Wolfie Cascade Actually no, the Warthog is fitting a similar role of HWMMVs today, as an utility and recon vehicle, yet HWMMVs come in with armor (at least some of its variants). As an ex-servicemen, I would say that the very exposed design of the Warthog will be the worst nightmare for its crew member.
@@goddamnfish Agreed. The Warthog would be a death trap worse than M4's during the war on terror... OH WAIT!
Think of the Humvee even when we up armored it it didn't help it that much that light of a vehicle armor wouldn't of helped it'll just slow it down
Ummm there are armored warthog variant. And there are seperate armored vehicle called X-24 FAV
www.halopedia.org/X-24_FAV
I'd love to see an uparmored warthog that had hard light doors on it.
Still bothered that the warthog in H2A goes against 343s own set canon.
At least 343 doesn't replace the established EU with their own shitty canon COUGHdisneyCOUGH
how so?
I really appreciate your most detailed breakdown videos man. As an engineer, it really makes me appreciate what you do and the deep lore Halo has even more than some probably. Thank you 🙏🏼
Shot in the dark, the exhaust isn't really lost, it could be sent to an internal container for marines/troopers to have a stable supply of water.
About the engine:
The hydrogen-injection system isn't a full hydrogen fuel. It's an additive. Basically dumping hydrogen into the mix makes it Boom better. In effect, this allows the engine to pull about double the amount of air per stroke in the fuel air mix, and creates a more efficient burn. The catalyst is used to pull hydrogen out of existing fuels, not in the burn itself. The fun part is that for all of the that-shouldn't-work-that-way futurism of the Warthog, this, like everything else about the warthog? Is already possible, and in some cases, is already being used. Hydrogen Fuel Enhancement is already a thing. As is the IVT(The Nissan Extroid used one), etc.
I think the reason why they opted for direct dive, is most likely cost, and ease of manufacturing, along with efficiency and complexity, it gives us a simple design, and can be pumped out quickly and cheaply since it was for the Colonial Military Authority (CMA), and being so common with the outer colonies and maybe inner colonies as well, would make sense for it to be built cheaply as is.
Plus with the insurrectionist, and later the covvies, it would make sense to not add needed complexity so they can be continuously pumped out, and with parts being so common they won't need to worry about having to find parts for it. Plus its modular, and you know how the military loves its modularity.
Recent, Chemical Engineering Graduate. Long time Halo fan.
I have a hypothesis of as to why the exhaust system decides not to re condense the exhaust steam generated from the hydrogen engine. Mainly the trouble of condensing super heated steam, this is an intensely energetic process, or rather requires a cooling medium to remove all the energy from the steam to turn it to liquid.
While this process isn't impossible it does however pose a few caveats that would potentially limit the combat effectiveness.
Mainly the idea that you would require a constant influx of this cooling medium, so much that amount of coolant needed to do so might actually hinder the weight and mobility of the vehicle, and that weight/space needed for said system and coolant tanks could be better utilized for the initial fuel tank, or the coolant used to prevent the engine from overheating. It wouldnt be very smart to sacrifice your engine cooling or size of your fuel tank for fractional recovery of said expended fuel.
More over the vehicle would need to be designed to run without this fuel recycling system in case it was ever damaged, if the coolant began to leak, or the heat exchange cooling system damaged, you might end up recycling hot steam into the engine which best case could lead to the engine stalling, and at worse the engine heating up from the steam beyond the ability of the engine to be cooled and thus overheating and potentially making the internal combustion engine and external combustion applicator. Neither of which is something you want in a military vehicle.
Honestly, the engine is more complex then needed. A purely electric hydrogen fuel cell would convert the hydrogen/oxygen reaction directly into motive power more efficiently than the ICE. It features fewer moving parts and is incredibly light. I don't get why they didnt know that.
I greatly prefer the M12 aesthetic design over M12b aesthetic design. I really wish 343 industries would bring it back.
Don't forget the sound, first time I played halo 4 warthog I thought I was driving a remote controlled car.
I really do wish they could roll it back as well. The unique suspension, the large rotary cannon. Now it's so samey with every other truck with the independent suspension and smaller chain gun.
@@dustrider5274 At the very least; two things I wish they would bring back for the hog would be the rectangular head lights on the top and bottom, and the octagonal shape of the gun turret shield.
Goddammit even in the Halo universe we are plagued by Cvt transmissions.
In offroad vehicles it makes more sense not so much In somthing that big. If it were say, a side by side (UTV the vehicle in my profile pic) it would make complete sense.
“We may occasionally prematurely end our travels by barrel rolling of a cliff, but that’s just by the by, call it an occupational hazard.” Got me so hard omg-
The veachel is so cool that hotwhells even made a mini warthog
1:24
i just realised that image of the Warthog is from Forza Horizon 3
The turret protection gives me huge vietnam door gunner vibes 😂
I was always under the impression that the warthog was a Chevy with a built LS... not an AMG/Mercedes. Very intresting. Im also seeing comments about it using a CVT transmission. In offroad vehicles like side by sides and quads it makes complete sense and id highly recommended watching some videos explaining why in a side by side cvt is better than manual or auto. Assuming theyre using the same design as a side by side and using futuristic primary and secondary in transmission housing clutch set up. It makes sense theyre using a cvt.
Toyota just revealed its Hydro combustion engine, the Hog can become a reality!
The most ICONIC vehicle in video game history
I believe the civilian and logistic versions could be fitted with a condensing unit but would be too clunky and heavy on the technicals since condensers are usually pretty big
That intro to the M12 warthog at the exact moment it appeared on screen was beautifully well done.
Thermodynamics absolutely hates the Warthog. Water to hydrogen to water + work? That's energy from nowhere!
That first mention of the name warthog at the beginning perfectly synced with the warthog jumping out in the cutscene footage was BEAUTIFUL
The fact a warthog can carry three gen 2 Spartans is a testament to its strength and versatility as a all round vehicle, not to mention the range of mounted guns, Spartans can be from 800-1000 pounds plus in weaight
I’m so happy you chose Mombasa suite for the beginning soundtrack
I think i might have an idea why the steam doesn't get recycled back into the feul intake. It most likely has to do with radiating off the heat from the engine.
I liked the swing arm suspension variants better than the more conventional ones later.
I love this channel and halo! Its a perfect harmony
26:55 I remember playing halo 3 with my buddy Aiden and we got all the way to this level without dying a single time...till that tower introduced itself.
This isn't how spaced armor works. Watch a video in the Leopard 2A5 arrowhead to get the details, but the short version is that the first layer of armor will cause a projectile to yaw if its length is less than the distance between the spaced armor. Your version of this implies that energy is lost to the void, which is impossible
Design-wise, i think its a great start for a modern an electric car. Especially in terms of functionality as well.
Cyber truck was inspired by warthog
Theres gotta be a warthog drift team in the halo universe
Congrats. The Puma reference just made you the coolest Halo channel on TH-cam hahaha.
Would love your take on Forerunner mega construction and known structures
I want to drive the Arctic Warthog with the treads soooooooo badly XD
maybe we'll get to personalise our vehicles in Halo Infinite
No words can express the respect I have for this vehicle.
Imagine a Warthog with a flamethrower turret.
The IVT doesn't have the constant hum because we like the vroom vroom sound and feel.
Why Wartog sir?
BECAUSE M12 LRV IS TOO HARD TO SAY IN CONVERSATION SON
no, why warthog, it doesn't look like a pig.
Looks more like a Puma to me.
What, like the shoe company?
@@matthewdominguez4350 no, its like a big cat
On Reach, you can almost read the tire lettering, and the size, that I could see, are 435/70/R24 absolutely massive
Pre sure their armour variants in lore. Didn't Ghost Of Onyx mention it? The UNSC made use of the stripped down variant we see in the games is because of the Covenant plasma weaponary, being armoured would just melt it & trapping the occupants in the vehicles.
idk recycling water exaust to be used as fuel seems like such an obious way to increase range and engine efficency that there's no way it doesn't work like that, it's basicaly my head-canon
One thing about the electric drive/hybrid vs. combustion engine only on a military vehicle
Lithium Ion Batteries tend to explode when shot
Fuel is less likely to do that
All I wanna know is who in 343 thought gasoline jerry cans on a hydrogen powered vehicle, is a good idea.
Dude
This is the same people who designed the Sparta 4's armor
It could be holding the carbon or water it's just a container
He mentioned in the video that it holds extra water and, to be fair, you can hold a lot more than just gasoline in a jerry can.
Those could very easily be simple water cans. For example the modern day US military 20 liter water can and the 20 liter fuel can do look quite similar. And since the UNSC obviously wouldn't be using gasoline, diesel, or other fuels, there isn't any hazard to getting the two mixed up.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 from what I remember the only difference is the color. The blue ones are for people fuel. The red ones are for car fuel.
A breakdown of one of the best ground vehicles in all of science fiction? I'm in!
The warthog being able t produce enough power to accelerate a round to mach 40-41 every second or so.
Is yet another example of writers taking a random ass biger number, and running with it, without thinking trough what such numbers really mean.
If we assume that:
1, the round is made from wolfram.
2, the round is a cyllinder.
then: it would have a mass of 1 231 grams, or 1,231 kg, accelerated to mach 41, resulting in 121 726 185 joules per shot.
( 121,7 megajoules )
( keep in mind that the same equivilant of energy would be pushed back into the gun and vehicle as recoil, most likely tearing the gun off )
In equivilant watts, which luckily is just joules/seconds, so still 121,7 million watts.
The warthog's hydrogen cells are *somehow* meant to produce this much wattage, while driving at full speed.
For comparisson, current fixed naval guns with buildings for their own power, runs at around 64 megajoules, and travels at around 2 000 meters/second, compared to the 14 063 meters/second of the gauss turret.
Given the results and animation seen in reach, it would make much more sense if it was launched at a way lower speed, which would also make the power generation of the warthog, a lot less physics breaking.
So either the warthog would require a way different powerplant with immensely more potential output, or the velocity is incorrect.
I think the hog might actually already recycle its exhaust until needing to refill because of 2 main reasons in one of the books I read I vaguely remember them mentioning not having to refill the hog because of its "efficient recycling on fuel" and that the hog never leaves a smoke or vapor trail while in use. Awesome video just tried to add on.
I'm glad you said puma.
An infinitely variable transmission is just a fancy sifi name for a CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission). CVTs consist of two cone shaped pulleys and an elastic chain that continuously change the ratios of the input and output shafts, so there are no gears AT ALL, just a minimum and maximum drive ratios. These transmission have run out of favour in recent days because they made cars "feel" slow because there were no gear shifts. this as accurate in Halo CE all the way through 3, but in Reach Bungie added gear shift noises so apparently they went back to either traditional transmissions, or most likely they programmed the CVT's to have fake "gears" like what a lot of cars like the Subaru Impreza WRX do nowadays.
Other kids wanted the Batmobile growing up.
I wanted a Hog.
Yes! Been waiting for this!
11:11 ODST helmet? That's the one I use. Good to see another Hell Jumper Spartan on Reach
I kinda hope engine tech like what the Warthogs use becomes a thing. I know the infrastructure would be super difficult to get traction on at first, but it’d be sick as fuck at least for small vehicles like motorcycles (I know Kawasaki is working on hydrogen engines, which is super dope, but idk how expensive nor efficient they’ll be)
Actually, they do sort of the toyota mirai is a hydrogen powered car gets 402 miles per tank and 76mpg in the city only problem is its like 4x more expensive than gas basically the same as $16 per gallon
@@TheAce00 is it hydrogen-hydrogen or hydrogen fuel cell? I ask cuz I hear they’re working on non fuel cell ones, and the expense would likely be more as long as the infrastructure was lacking to support it. If the infrastructure becomes more widespread, then the tech could become practical. It’ll be cool, but only if it really is feasible.
@jalakor it is a hydrogen fuel cell, but you're right. im excited to see where the tech goes for sure. As for toyota, they said they are slowing production on electric cars in favor of hydrogen tech. im thinking if they play the cards right, toyota will be a leader in hydrogen power
I had no idea there was more involved in this design, glad to see it was a significant work horse for both the military and civilian life for over two centuries. That hydrogen combustion engine tho.
I refuse to believe anyone refers to a Gauss gun Warthog as anything but a "GaussHog"😂😂
Really Neat stuff. Would love to hear some detail on the elephant, mammoth, or albatross. Things that go boom and do cool things are excellent, but ya gotta have logistics behind it all.
You just made my morning man. Thank you so much.
(for reference I am a degree qualified Chemical Engineer)
I would imagine the reason for skipping on an exhaust recapture system is that steam condensing systems are incredibly self-destructive. Due to the massive Energy of Condensation transferred by water as it undergoes the gas>liquid phase transition (the property that makes steam such an amazing energy transportation medium), condenser systems are subject to extreme corrosion and high ambient temperatures. Given the Hog's already immense range and the trivial nature of refuelling, a condenser system that requires regular refit and necessitates significant heat sink or insulation structures around the exhaust was probably deemed to be more limiting to the range and operation of the vehicle than the increased efficiency gained from a recycling exhaust system.
For reference to the incredible destructive power of vapourising/condensing water have a look at "cavitation" and the effect it has on propeller blades.
Another great video keep it up!! Your breakdowns are some of greatest I seen!! Love it bro!!
About that highest safty rating.
There exists a story in the Halo-verse about a bunch of Marines who found themselves on a crashing ship with no escape pod in sight but a hangar full of 'Hogs.
They jumped onto one and drove out of the hangar while the ship was still mid-air.
They survived the fall...
Not as in "All-bones-broken-barely-haninging-on-by-a-thread" kind of way but by being completely unscathed.
If this isnt a testament to the near indesutructability of the 'Hog, I dont know what is....
Addendum: Im not rulling out the fact that the planet might have been low gravity. Also, Ive read this story ages ago and details may be fuzzy.
3:07, a multitude of rolls indeed.
Fun fact, the CE Warthog is the only Warthog with actual rear wheel steering. All the other games just animate the rear wheels steering.
Controversial opinion: halo was so successful because of the warthog.
Many fps games had tried vehicle sections before. But few got anywhere close to the unbridled joy of tearing through a level in a warthog with your marine gunner spewing quips.
Warthogs are typically front wheel drive in game, not four wheel drive. Warthogs get stuck if their front wheels are not on the ground.
Let's not forget some of the most common ways Spartans use Warthogs.
*clears throat*
Jamming them in doorways until they go through, arming and throwing grenades under them and using them as discount catapults, and ramming them into any thing that moves and hoping it will die.
Honestly 3 metric tons is not a lot of weight for a truck. I recently had to get rid of a 2007 diesel Chevrolet 2500 (RIP) that weighted about 4.9 metric tons. The height, length, and width of the Warthog makes the weight impressively light. My wife and I also once had an F350 that was slightly larger at roughly 5.6 metric tons in weight. The Warthog is a light weight beast of a machine, I rest my case. Also the tech to build a hydrogen powered ICE has been around for quite some time, and with the advent of turbo chargers, Im sure we could build this engine, given enough time (and government spending). Hydrogen is the future of ground vehicle tech, not electric.