Stephtastic! I don't even like Westbrook but he is by far better than curry the only thing curry got on Westbrook is he can shoot better that's it!! If he had to carry a team like Westbrook that team would be doomed
The man is averaging a triple double, putting 3 stats into double figures over an 82 game stretch is remarkable. People need to realize how difficult that is.
You also need to realize every MVP was in the top 3 to 4 seed. We are talking about who is more valuable to their team and is actually talking their team somewhere
2022 and look at this clowns opinion about Russ now. Can the fans finally see that all these guys do is say anything that will get them clout and popularity? Is it cool to hate on Russ in 2022? Yes. So now ALL THEY DO is hate on him.
lakers1234 yes it does.....klay Thompson is a 3rd option on his team and basically doesn't get any assists or rebounds. Jeremy lon hasn't played a lot of games so his per is inflated also he has the ball way more than klay. Lou Williams is the best sixth man in the league and he got good stats on a bad team so his is also inflated
lakers1234 I hate these advanced state. even regular stats are overblown nowadays you can't take them seriously anymore. With all these 3's and no defence kobe would average 30 in his sleep. mj would put up about 35 each year and hit 40 a few times. So don't go on comparing players of this generation to the previous ones. Russ lebron kawhi harden KD are great. steph can shoot so he's great although overrated. PG can still be great waiting on him
PER has no account for actual efficiency. It is based solely on things like points, rebounds and assists, which are the places Russel is excelling in. It really isn't that great of a stat
PER is a calculation based on production in PTS, AS, REBS, counted against your turnovers and field goal efficiency then adjusted for pace. Its actually a great stat to use when trying to figure out the value of a player in comparison to someone with a similar role on another team. Klay is low in PER because his role doesn't allow him to show up in those categories the way he would if he was on a team like the Kings. You can't use PER alone you have to use the eye-test and context.
Shannon stop it.. You can tell the people who never played basketball in real life.. It's funny how people try to down play what Russell Westbrook is doing but you ask any player who played in the nba say they never seen this before unless your Bill, Oscar and all the other OG,s. This is not 2k lmao. This Generation Is Delusional y'all taking to many drugs because to down play history is just plan stupid. Some of y'all couldn't get a triple double if it was three on one..Lmao. This is not 2k lmao.
+Steven Stevenson Playing for stats every player plays for stats. lmao. So you get drafted get on a team but your not suppose to do anything Lmao. Let's see how long you'll be in the nba. Stat padding this generation play to many video games..
OdeeLocc Sports Info first of all you're the one bringing up video games, lol. Players play to win, not just for stats. And you saying I wouldn't last in the NBA is just a moronic statement....
So what your saying people don't play for big contracts then. Because to get big money you have to have goodstats.So you saying people playing for low contacts. tongji.gov.cn - 新田统计信息网
Karr S he says every time how he loves watching Westbrook play he doesn't like it all the time with him shooting too much but he doesn't hate on Westbrook
In the 1987-88 season when Jordan won his first MVP and defensive player he actually averaged 35 points the stats you are referring to are from his 1988-89 season where Magic Johnson won the MVP and Mark Eaton won the defensive player of the year even though Jordan had his best season stats wise.
Ali Kobaissi I agree it's not any small feat of averaging a triple double. But that still doesn't make you the most valuable player. Lebron is currently averaging 26/9/9 on 55% from the field and 38% from 3. And is the 1 seed. Meanwhile Westbrook is averaging 3/10/10 on 41% from the field and 30% from 3. While being the 6th seed. Who would you take? And before you bring up Lebron having a better team I agree. But that just shows how much better and efficient Lebron is compared to Westbrook. He's had the lowest usage rate in his career this year. And he's still doing better then Russell. Also just FYI I think harden should be MVP, him or lebon. Westbrook is 3rd, Kahwi 4th, and IT is 5th
not the best ever though. Curry's season last year was far more better. 30.1 PPG, 6.7 APG,5.0 RPG. 73-9 record 2 other allstars and still averaged 30. 50/45/90 Did not play 24 4th quaters. Unanimous MVP 1 shot away from backtoback Championships. And came home with a trophy.
Hype Animal U schleep!! 1 They lost last year! 2 He falls apart EVERY playoffs when needed! 3 THAT WAS KLAY'S FUKKIN TEAM BOY!! Are u watching Russ games?? Dude is an Alien to these other players, EVEN LEBRON! Curry HAD the best season in a while, UNTIL THIS SEASON!!
+Doe-Z dude your an idiot. If klay cant be shut down why did he average only 15 points in the 2015 finals. Shooting around 30% from 3 ? You have no facts.
Wolfwarrior No it wasn't. Several players have shot 50-40-90 for the season b4 he did. And he barely led the league in steals. He tied with ricky rubio. Only gave it to him cause of 0.001 difference.
likemikegenerationx2 yeah but never off 3s... and he had the highest paint percentage amongst guards what are you smoking. he had MORE even if it is .001 smh you think its not the same in other sports foh
Lebron plays the blame game way too much and whines for more players even though his team has the highest payroll in the league..I know he's the best player in the world but sheesh is he a lousy teammate off the court
I'm confused Shannon. You said this morning that seeds don't matter but then you also have said multiple times before that you're only willing to concede that Westbrook is MVP if they get to the 5 seed. Make up your mind. Do seeds matter to you or not?
I would still say Curry's season last year was greater. 50-45-90. 402 threes. 73-9. Basically unstoppable offensively. The question is what is "great". I wouldn't say getting 10+ rebounds a game (especially when they are mostly defensive) is anything great. His 10+ assists are pretty amazing but I wouldn't say it is something phenomenal. The idea of averaging a TB is amazing but it's just blatantly obvious that WB's TBs are chased to a degree, in other words the difficulty of achieving a TB for RW is significantly lower NOT because RW is Godlike but because of how his team is playing and how he plays which results in RW being able to get TBs conveniently easier than other superstars. Last season Steph put fear into the opposition the moment he stepped passed half court. If I am the opponent I would rather face this season's RW than last season's Steph Curry. Like it's not even a debate that 15-16 Curry would demolish you if he was hot, he didn't even need the rest of his team to play good to win the game when he was hot.
LeBron and Harden both have better help than Westbrook lol that's facts! LeBron has two all stars he can rely on and Harden has guys that can shoot 3's like crazy lol This is hard to decide who is the MVP this year between Westbrook and Harden tbh
It doesn't matter if he wins mvp because he's going to be the New standard for triple doubles mvp or Legacy. This Generation play to many video games. lmao
Mo Williams, Larry Hughes, ilgaskus is better than any player on the thunder. Mo, Larry, and ilgaskus can each average 15 minimum. Westbrook has oladipo who isn't a good shooter. Russ is mvp
Oladipo, Kanter and Adams are all better than what LeBron had. Adams is one of the best defensive centers out there currently and Kanter is one of the most crafty finishing centers currently available. I love Big Z but he was not as great as people make him out to be just to discredit LeBron. He was flat mid tier on offense at best and the lowest tier for defense. Hughes was solid though.
Entertainment Attorney Big Z was a beast in his day and was still formidable with lebron. Inside outside and big. Adams can't score and Kanter can't defend. Mo and Hughes are better than oladipo no knock on him. Cavs were built better around lebron and he had many shooters around him. russ has not one shooter. No comparison
Tracy McGrady, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwayne Wade have had 10 triple doubles in 2,682 games combined. Russell Westbrook has had 10 in the last 12 games. Russell Westbrook is the first player in NBA history with 5 straight 30 point triple doubles. Russell Westbrook is the first player in NBA history with multiple 6 game streaks of obtaining a triple double. When Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double there were 58 MORE opportunities to get a rebound. Russell Westbrook is the MVP and it's not close.
No way. Michael Jordan 35-6-6 54% FG 3.2 stl 1.6 blocks. MVP SCORING TITLE AND DEF PLAYER OF YEAR. Or the next year he posted 32-8-8 54% and DPOY runner up
I LOVE Russ and thinks he's the most explosive player in the NBA, but this whole triple double thing is overrated. Russ is gonna finish the season having shot the ball 400+ MORE TIMES than everyone else in the league but only makes about 40% of them. He's also leading the league (along with Harden) in turnovers. We have to be consistent and take that stuff into account. Again, I love Russ but we can't just hand him MVP simply off getting some stats and ignoring other important (negative) stats. Also skip saying he's a better teammate than Lebron? Wtf anyone who actually thinks this is ignorant to the game of basketball. Players leave Russ, players take pay cuts to play WITH Lebron.
I haven't been able to follow the NBA this year because of work and my friend told me last week "you know Westbrook is averaging a triple double?" My reply was like for the week and he said no for the season. My jaw dropped to the ground. Knowing the history of the game and how difficult it is to average a triple double, Westbrook deserves the MVP.
Westbrook is the MVP. Sure, his team is the 6th seed. But the Thunder are hot garbage. And to those who says that the Rockets and Thunder are equal without Harden and Westbrook. The Thunder would have the first pick every year without Westbrook and the Rockets would be a struggling playoff team or maybe 8th or 7th seed. Westbrook is making history and people are downplaying that. Plus, the MVP is voted by people who can't shoot or dribble a basketball. If the players voted, then Westbrook would win because they know how hard it is to average a triple double night in night out. Who cares about people like Curry who thinks Harden is MVP because of team seeding. Because in the words of Westbrook,"Who is he?"
I don't get it. I have westbrook on my fantasy team. When you look at the FG attempts he's usually shooting 44-50% a game. I see games with 30 attempts i see games with 40 attempts. I look at harden - same kinda numbers i look at demar - same kinda numbers there a lot of player taking 30-40 attempts a game currently in the NBA. if your shooting 45-50% then i don't see it being a huge problem. he's also getting 10+ assists a game which is huge.
This dude Shannon just be talking don't he? Lol, All season long, "Get to the 5th Seed and you'll be my MVP." Today, "Seeds only matter in a garden." Aight Fam, you got it 👍🏾 Lol
lmao shannon making a fool out of himself. Lebron in his first stint with the CAVS averaged 21 shots per game and his peak was 23 shots per game (1 less than Westbrook). Considering Westbrooks season this here and the recording breaking usage, if you keep it relative with lebrons season where he shot 23 shots per game westbrook passes alot more....matter fact that season lebrons assist percentage was 32%, while westbrooks is 57% now!!!!!!!!!
James Harden is the MVP. Russ is having a great season but I think the media prefers the story of how Russ won the MVP without KD rather than How Harden won the MVP singlehandedly. lol
What is so frustrating about this show is that Shannon is such a LeBron worshipper that he makes irrelevant arguments that seem to validate Skip's equally nonsensical arguments. And then Joy always sides with him. Colin Cowherd, Nick Wright, or Broussard would destroy Skip in one of these debates.
He is having a MVP level season especially considering the fact that he is surronded by role players at best, and at the PG spot he is facing off against elite players on a nightly basis including elite PG's such as Kyrie, Wall, Walker, Lowry, and Thomas just to name a few
can somebody tell Shannon the playoffs haven't started yet. damn.... winning a title can't matter when the award is given out before the playoffs are over....
MJ's 96 season, LBJ's 2013 season, and Curry's 2016 season were all easily better. His PER is so high because rebounds are weighed heavily, PER is a very poor stat with easy loopholes, if you dip in to the advanced states I.e. Offensive/Defensive Rating you will see he is the most inefficient superstar in the NBA and add that along with shooting 42% and 5.4 TO.
Not counting team success (while OKC will have none), MJ 87-88 season was the best ever. 35-6-6 on 54% FG, first ever to 200 stl 100 blocks in a season for a 3.2 stl 1.6 block average. He swept the awards with MVP, Def player of the year and scoring title.
dozha deville You can't spell stupid, he's not having an amazing season at all, his team is the 6th seed and he's having the most inefficient season of his career since his rookie season. If you switched Westbrook and Durant, Durant wouldn't be averaging a triple double because he cares to much about efficiency, and the Thunder would be the 3rd or 4th seed instead of the 6th or 7th.
Colin said it best. Michael Jordan had 7 triple doubles and Pippen had 14. Is pippen twice the player that jordan was? No not even close. A triple-double is impressive but has become overrated.
Lebron could average a triple double, he's a better passer, better at attacking the rim and better and grabbing boards, he just hasn't because it's not what's best for the team, why didn't he average a triple double last year, because he had to pass to Durant who was a more efficient player, for gods sake this guys field goal percentage is less than Curry's 3 point percentage when he's getting bashed for having a bad year. And this might be a shocker but this year Curry has actually been a better defender than Westbrook, he's not anywhere as physical and gets blown by way quicker but he still contests more shots than Westbrook does and his his team defending iq is miles ahead of Westbrook's so can you all stop glorifying a ball hogging, inefficient player who stat pads at every given opportunity
Jose Ramirez yea I mean her delivery is so arrogant when you can tell she just googled the facts that she randomly spouts out like once or twice an episode
I think skip needs to leave this show because this isn't real debating. You can't put a fanboy across from him only because he's a former athlete. Lebron literally finds his way in every segment and he refuses to change his opinions in the slightest bit. Dudes not made for TV man, I miss Stephen a smith
USeeMeTrolllin uh well i had harden number 2 for a while but think it's being a bit overrated, i mean 6 turnovers a game, his a assist to turnover ratio is terrible, plus kawhi is the only all-star on his team like harden but is a higher seed, plus that game where kawhi blocked hardens gaming winning shot attempt pushed him over for me. I don't deny harden is better at making his teammates teammates better though
I'm fr Houston and of course a rockets fan.. if u were to ask me 2 weeks ago I would of said harden cause he winning and he assisting more and shooting better. but man this few weeks Westbrook has been going off more and more even tho I believe unlike my rocktets thunders will be a first round bye.. but Westbrook right now is MVP
It's annoying to hear all the time that Westbrook does not have any help. If you look at their starting roster and bench, any team in the league would LOVE to have those players on their team. I agree that Westbrook does need a better 2nd shooting option, but to say Westbrook has no help in OKC is blasphemy.
hoboxjohn Those players are far from horrible but most starters in the NBA have some sorta of talent. Most people just state that OKC without Russ is clearly not a playoff team
No team would want them. Definitely not as starters. They're inconsistent for one like most young players. 2 they don't play well on the road like the majority of young players and even some veteran role players. 3 ALL of them can be countered easily. Very easily. Kanter for starters. Can't defend the pick and roll and is not a good defender period. Doesn't have court awareness or vision for someone as skilled in the low post as him. All you have to do is double him or send a help defender. He'll never see it coming. Oladipo...inconsistent and he doesn't put pressure on an opposing defense. Evidence he doesn't get to the line that often. He'll more than likely settle for a step back jumper. Adams...only has two moves in the post and is only a threat in the pick and roll
Currys last year was way better. his triple double is inflated. he doesn't defend 3's and go back on defense , and he go yank boards and the bigs in his team let him. highly padded stats.
I like Shannon Sharpe but he looked like a huge idiotic hater here. He literally had nothing to back up his argument. In fact....he sounded a lot like Skip does.
Westbrook has a lot more competition... Has to match up against guys like Kyrie, Thomas, Wall, Walker, Lowry, etc just to name some of the main elite PG's in the NBA. Wilts only competition was really just Bill Russell and that's it
Ppl have to acknowledge that if okc was in the east they could damn near be the first seed. They play the clippers warriors spurs Portland rockets grizzlies nuggets 4 times all playoff caliber teams and then teams like Nola 4 times and their not easy to beat cuz davis is a beast and now has cousins also
rushking20 #TerribleTowels that man does not Statpad at all look up a video on most obvious statpadders ever and you'll see what statpadding is and his team wins 80% of his games when he has a trip dub
Nathyn Fangsly Put curry on the thunder and put Westbrook on the warriors and I guarantee you the thunder won't even have a winning record let alone a playoff spot
raheem Won more, that doesn't make sense. Curry won more with Draymond Green, Thompsom and Harrison Barnes. who does Westbrook have? Exactly. Plus Westbrook has more steals than Curry and wayyyyyy more assists leading his team to the playoffs with a bunch of nobodies. Don't be ridiculous. Getcha ball game knowledge up son.
Wilt Jordan Lebron And Curry had way better seasons with way less attempts.. Russell is a stat padder... Don't even bring up Curry's finals because at least they went to the finals unlike Westbrook and Curry beat Westbrook with KD to do it
6th place team should not have a regular season MVP. Get a first round home court advantage and the OKC team was projected to be placed higher than the Rockets in the beginning of the season.
It's meaningless now but no one was buying that Harden had a better team. Does Harden really have that leap of a team over Russell. He just making his team better than Russell imho.
Do you agree with Skip?
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 but he still ain't wining MVP in the 6th and probably getting swept by the spurs it means nothing
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Curry was way better in 2016. Stop it skip
lmao
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 no
Stephtastic! I don't even like Westbrook but he is by far better than curry the only thing curry got on Westbrook is he can shoot better that's it!! If he had to carry a team like Westbrook that team would be doomed
The man is averaging a triple double, putting 3 stats into double figures over an 82 game stretch is remarkable. People need to realize how difficult that is.
Ethan Charles Doesn't mean it's good basketball
Ethan Charles they wont because he makes it look easy
+111illmatic how exactly is getting double digit assists and rebounds bad basketball?
You also need to realize every MVP was in the top 3 to 4 seed. We are talking about who is more valuable to their team and is actually talking their team somewhere
111illmatic leading the league PER and taking his team to the playoffs says it's good basketball, just give the man credit.
didnt Skip say the EXACT SAME LINE last year with Steph Curry on First Take?
LyricsKing yes he did
LyricsKing yup
LyricsKing yeah so what
LyricsKing so? It was the best season LAST YEAR and now someone came and did better the following year.
jay carr its not better not even close westbrook is inefficient and stat pads
31-9 when he gets a trip dub. end of discussion. FACTS! MVP!
What is théir record ẃhen he shoots below 50%?
Joe Ruiz true
This is such a terrible argument
Y’all gotta show skip these today 😂😂😂😂 skip was loving him some Russell westbrook 😂🤙🏾
2022 and look at this clowns opinion about Russ now. Can the fans finally see that all these guys do is say anything that will get them clout and popularity? Is it cool to hate on Russ in 2022? Yes. So now ALL THEY DO is hate on him.
Facts
Preach
RAN AWAY WITH P.E.R!!!
Klay Thompson #94 in PER
Jeremy Lin #81
Lou Williams #34
This stat has no meaning.
lakers1234 yes it does.....klay Thompson is a 3rd option on his team and basically doesn't get any assists or rebounds. Jeremy lon hasn't played a lot of games so his per is inflated also he has the ball way more than klay. Lou Williams is the best sixth man in the league and he got good stats on a bad team so his is also inflated
lakers1234 I hate these advanced state. even regular stats are overblown nowadays you can't take them seriously anymore. With all these 3's and no defence kobe would average 30 in his sleep. mj would put up about 35 each year and hit 40 a few times. So don't go on comparing players of this generation to the previous ones. Russ lebron kawhi harden KD are great. steph can shoot so he's great although overrated. PG can still be great waiting on him
PER has no account for actual efficiency. It is based solely on things like points, rebounds and assists, which are the places Russel is excelling in. It really isn't that great of a stat
PER is a calculation based on production in PTS, AS, REBS, counted against your turnovers and field goal efficiency then adjusted for pace. Its actually a great stat to use when trying to figure out the value of a player in comparison to someone with a similar role on another team. Klay is low in PER because his role doesn't allow him to show up in those categories the way he would if he was on a team like the Kings.
You can't use PER alone you have to use the eye-test and context.
D Stud ya because points, rebounds, and assists aren't even important.
Shannon stop it.. You can tell the people who never played basketball in real life.. It's funny how people try to down play what Russell Westbrook is doing but you ask any player who played in the nba say they never seen this before unless your Bill, Oscar and all the other OG,s. This is not 2k lmao. This Generation Is Delusional y'all taking to many drugs because to down play history is just plan stupid. Some of y'all couldn't get a triple double if it was three on one..Lmao. This is not 2k lmao.
OdeeLocc Sports Info "this is not 2k lmao." This statement works against you lol. Russ is playing for stats as if he's playing 2k 😆
+Steven Stevenson Playing for stats every player plays for stats. lmao. So you get drafted get on a team but your not suppose to do anything Lmao. Let's see how long you'll be in the nba. Stat padding this generation play to many video games..
Steven Stevenson W
OdeeLocc Sports Info first of all you're the one bringing up video games, lol. Players play to win, not just for stats. And you saying I wouldn't last in the NBA is just a moronic statement....
So what your saying people don't play for big contracts then. Because to get big money you have to have goodstats.So you saying people playing for low contacts.
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"Name a superstar that ever left Lebron"
Kyrie Irving
Kyrie wasn’t a superstar when he left lebron
Shannon don't be like skip hating Westbrook , the guy is having one of the best season ever from spurs fan here
Karr S he says every time how he loves watching Westbrook play he doesn't like it all the time with him shooting too much but he doesn't hate on Westbrook
kobe in 2006 season was unreal. 35 ppg, 81 points, 62 in 3 quarters, avergaed 50 one month, multiple 40 and 50 point games.
I'd still take Jordan's 88 Season
32ppg 8 8 2.9 steals
All star
All star game MVP
League MVP
And Defensive player of the year
Chris Carter and guess who Jordan would take as MVP?
Chris Carter he was also a PG for like 25-30 games...
In the 1987-88 season when Jordan won his first MVP and defensive player he actually averaged 35 points the stats you are referring to are from his 1988-89 season where Magic Johnson won the MVP and Mark Eaton won the defensive player of the year even though Jordan had his best season stats wise.
Lol Shannon got killed on this segment hahaha Good job Skip and Joy
First Mark Cuban , then Colin Cowherd , and now Shannon Sharpe. The three people who hate Westbrook like crazy. 😂
Back to these videos in 2022 all them didn’t mean nothing
his triple doubles gets his team wins. He's averaging a triple double for the season. How is that not MVP?
socalsp3 because triple doubles doesn't make you the most valuable player. Shouldn't be this hard
Connor Smith its greatness your witnessing
Ali Kobaissi I agree it's not any small feat of averaging a triple double. But that still doesn't make you the most valuable player. Lebron is currently averaging 26/9/9 on 55% from the field and 38% from 3. And is the 1 seed. Meanwhile Westbrook is averaging 3/10/10 on 41% from the field and 30% from 3. While being the 6th seed. Who would you take? And before you bring up Lebron having a better team I agree. But that just shows how much better and efficient Lebron is compared to Westbrook. He's had the lowest usage rate in his career this year. And he's still doing better then Russell. Also just FYI I think harden should be MVP, him or lebon. Westbrook is 3rd, Kahwi 4th, and IT is 5th
If he dont win mvp, we riot
zach j look at his seed
James Harden look at his team...
zach j at the start of the year people were saying his team had similar talent level to my rockets
Rockets built their team around harden. They got great shooters, and they got rid of dwight just for harden. Thunder have 0 shooters
zach j Riot on the Internet?
It's a fukn triple double!!! That's how u get trips DUH!!!
40 TRIPLE DOUBLES, no matter how he got em!!!!
not the best ever though. Curry's season last year was far more better.
30.1 PPG, 6.7 APG,5.0 RPG.
73-9 record
2 other allstars and still averaged 30.
50/45/90
Did not play 24 4th quaters.
Unanimous MVP
1 shot away from backtoback Championships.
And came home with a trophy.
Hype Animal
U schleep!!
1 They lost last year!
2 He falls apart EVERY playoffs when needed!
3 THAT WAS KLAY'S FUKKIN TEAM BOY!!
Are u watching Russ games??
Dude is an Alien to these other players, EVEN LEBRON!
Curry HAD the best season in a while, UNTIL THIS SEASON!!
+dozha deville
Klays team ? Lol
I meant Western Conference Champions Trophy.
+Doe-Z
dude your an idiot.
If klay cant be shut down why did he average only 15 points in the 2015 finals. Shooting around 30% from 3 ? You have no facts.
Name the superstar that ever left Lebron's team?
LMAO Lebron
Javi kyrie 😂
FALSE. Stephen Curry 50-45-90, scoring title, steals title, 402 3s, 17 4th quarters sat UNANIMOUS MVP. Led team to 73 wins.
Wolfwarrior No it wasn't. Several players have shot 50-40-90 for the season b4 he did. And he barely led the league in steals. He tied with ricky rubio. Only gave it to him cause of 0.001 difference.
Wolfwarrior with 2 Allstars (:
J. C. P. yeah and russell stuffs stats 😂😂😂
J. C. P. two all stars that were drafted/developed by the warriors that Steph didn't scare off.
likemikegenerationx2 yeah but never off 3s... and he had the highest paint percentage amongst guards what are you smoking. he had MORE even if it is .001 smh you think its not the same in other sports foh
you said the exact same thing last year about steph curry
deez nutz yes but I would take stephs season over Westbrooks
Shannon is a walking contradiction on this issue...can't talk about any NBA player without him bringing up LeBron
Skip lost me when he said Westbrook is a better teammate than bron 😂there is prof he isn't 🤦🏾♂️ in my Shannon voice SKIIIIYYYYIIIIP 😂
Groovy Metatron yea that was insanity
Groovy Metatron skip just simple hate lebron
To be fair, LBJ does throw his teammates under the bus quite often. Tristan Thompson being the latest casualty
Kavin Karunathilaka lbj gets his team rings
Lebron plays the blame game way too much and whines for more players even though his team has the highest payroll in the league..I know he's the best player in the world but sheesh is he a lousy teammate off the court
Now I'm here after Russ joined the Lakers where all I hear now is Skip bashing Russ cuz he joined Lebron lol. What a clown lol
I pray that Russell Westbrook gets a ring one day.
Shaq 00 Drose 11 LeBron 06-07 12 13 Michael 96 97 Curry last year Kobe 05-06 35 5 6 and Wilt 50 25 season were all better
Honestly I never though Kobe's usage rate would get beat. That was back when Kobe has to do all the scoring.
Shannon Sharpe are you crazy Russell westbrock is the MVP by faaaar the man is super man.
I'm confused Shannon. You said this morning that seeds don't matter but then you also have said multiple times before that you're only willing to concede that Westbrook is MVP if they get to the 5 seed. Make up your mind. Do seeds matter to you or not?
He's having one of the best seasons of all time. Too bad they probably losing in the first or second round
I don't think people are getting it. Getting a triple double is ok but not great. But AVERAGING one is god like
When did Shannon become such a Westbrook hater? 😂
brobro34343 he doesn't hate Wesbrook, he just doesn't think his mvp this season.
not a westrbrook hater just a bronsexual
men they make every debate about lebron. Just apreciate greatness and stop comparing if lebron would do that or the other
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved!
i WOULD take Larry Hughes over Oladipo as well.
Shannon just throwing out random stats and contradicting himself 😂
I would still say Curry's season last year was greater. 50-45-90. 402 threes. 73-9. Basically unstoppable offensively. The question is what is "great". I wouldn't say getting 10+ rebounds a game (especially when they are mostly defensive) is anything great. His 10+ assists are pretty amazing but I wouldn't say it is something phenomenal. The idea of averaging a TB is amazing but it's just blatantly obvious that WB's TBs are chased to a degree, in other words the difficulty of achieving a TB for RW is significantly lower NOT because RW is Godlike but because of how his team is playing and how he plays which results in RW being able to get TBs conveniently easier than other superstars. Last season Steph put fear into the opposition the moment he stepped passed half court. If I am the opponent I would rather face this season's RW than last season's Steph Curry. Like it's not even a debate that 15-16 Curry would demolish you if he was hot, he didn't even need the rest of his team to play good to win the game when he was hot.
Take Westbrook off the Thunder and where are they. He is the MVP
Westbrook is current day Iverson
Big respect to Russell Westbrook I hope you get what you deserve #MVP
WestBrook having a great reason keep it up homie
Larry Hughes over Oladipo? Skip smoking gas 😂
Right now he is clowning Westbrook for caring about stats only.Times change.
Skip, you said the same for Curry last year. Personal I think Curry has better season last season.
Sharp is a hater. He makes no sense
Shannon sharp needs to just stop he's embarrassing himself he needs to just stick to football talk
Undisputed is killing it in sports talk show league...First Take is really getting BORING...Skip and Shannon chemistry is really great..
LeBron and Harden both have better help than Westbrook lol that's facts! LeBron has two all stars he can rely on and Harden has guys that can shoot 3's like crazy lol
This is hard to decide who is the MVP this year between Westbrook and Harden tbh
It doesn't matter if he wins mvp because he's going to be the New standard for triple doubles mvp or Legacy. This Generation play to many video games. lmao
Westbrook has been awesome but did Skip not say this about Curry two yeas ago lol
Mo Williams, Larry Hughes, ilgaskus is better than any player on the thunder. Mo, Larry, and ilgaskus can each average 15 minimum. Westbrook has oladipo who isn't a good shooter. Russ is mvp
Oladipo, Kanter and Adams are all better than what LeBron had. Adams is one of the best defensive centers out there currently and Kanter is one of the most crafty finishing centers currently available. I love Big Z but he was not as great as people make him out to be just to discredit LeBron. He was flat mid tier on offense at best and the lowest tier for defense. Hughes was solid though.
Entertainment Attorney Big Z was a beast in his day and was still formidable with lebron. Inside outside and big. Adams can't score and Kanter can't defend. Mo and Hughes are better than oladipo no knock on him. Cavs were built better around lebron and he had many shooters around him. russ has not one shooter. No comparison
Tracy McGrady, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwayne Wade have had 10 triple doubles in 2,682 games combined. Russell Westbrook has had 10 in the last 12 games. Russell Westbrook is the first player in NBA history with 5 straight 30 point triple doubles. Russell Westbrook is the first player in NBA history with multiple 6 game streaks of obtaining a triple double. When Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double there were 58 MORE opportunities to get a rebound. Russell Westbrook is the MVP and it's not close.
No way. Michael Jordan 35-6-6 54% FG 3.2 stl 1.6 blocks. MVP SCORING TITLE AND DEF PLAYER OF YEAR. Or the next year he posted 32-8-8 54% and DPOY runner up
Russell Westbrook over James Harden for the MVP!
I LOVE Russ and thinks he's the most explosive player in the NBA, but this whole triple double thing is overrated. Russ is gonna finish the season having shot the ball 400+ MORE TIMES than everyone else in the league but only makes about 40% of them. He's also leading the league (along with Harden) in turnovers. We have to be consistent and take that stuff into account. Again, I love Russ but we can't just hand him MVP simply off getting some stats and ignoring other important (negative) stats. Also skip saying he's a better teammate than Lebron? Wtf anyone who actually thinks this is ignorant to the game of basketball. Players leave Russ, players take pay cuts to play WITH Lebron.
I haven't been able to follow the NBA this year because of work and my friend told me last week "you know Westbrook is averaging a triple double?" My reply was like for the week and he said no for the season. My jaw dropped to the ground. Knowing the history of the game and how difficult it is to average a triple double, Westbrook deserves the MVP.
Westbrook is the MVP. Sure, his team is the 6th seed. But the Thunder are hot garbage. And to those who says that the Rockets and Thunder are equal without Harden and Westbrook. The Thunder would have the first pick every year without Westbrook and the Rockets would be a struggling playoff team or maybe 8th or 7th seed. Westbrook is making history and people are downplaying that. Plus, the MVP is voted by people who can't shoot or dribble a basketball. If the players voted, then Westbrook would win because they know how hard it is to average a triple double night in night out. Who cares about people like Curry who thinks Harden is MVP because of team seeding. Because in the words of Westbrook,"Who is he?"
It's going to be a close MVP race. The voters will have their hands full
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Of COURSE he is!!!! He is a Basketball GOD!! and his song is LITTY! Go listen and let me know what you think!
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Wth is Shannon talking about
I don't get it.
I have westbrook on my fantasy team. When you look at the FG attempts he's usually shooting 44-50% a game. I see games with 30 attempts i see games with 40 attempts.
I look at harden - same kinda numbers
i look at demar - same kinda numbers
there a lot of player taking 30-40 attempts a game currently in the NBA. if your shooting 45-50% then i don't see it being a huge problem. he's also getting 10+ assists a game which is huge.
This dude Shannon just be talking don't he? Lol, All season long, "Get to the 5th Seed and you'll be my MVP." Today, "Seeds only matter in a garden." Aight Fam, you got it 👍🏾 Lol
lmao shannon making a fool out of himself. Lebron in his first stint with the CAVS averaged 21 shots per game and his peak was 23 shots per game (1 less than Westbrook). Considering Westbrooks season this here and the recording breaking usage, if you keep it relative with lebrons season where he shot 23 shots per game westbrook passes alot more....matter fact that season lebrons assist percentage was 32%, while westbrooks is 57% now!!!!!!!!!
Idgaf about the possessions wilts 50 and Michaels 32p 8a 8r 3s and Stephen last year are better or hakeems MVP or Kareem's 1st MVP didn't he also
Foget about also
Alps mjs 35 ppg season
James Harden is the MVP. Russ is having a great season but I think the media prefers the story of how Russ won the MVP without KD rather than How Harden won the MVP singlehandedly. lol
WESTBROOK FOR MVP‼️ 🐐
What is so frustrating about this show is that Shannon is such a LeBron worshipper that he makes irrelevant arguments that seem to validate Skip's equally nonsensical arguments. And then Joy always sides with him. Colin Cowherd, Nick Wright, or Broussard would destroy Skip in one of these debates.
He is having a MVP level season especially considering the fact that he is surronded by role players at best, and at the PG spot he is facing off against elite players on a nightly basis including elite PG's such as Kyrie, Wall, Walker, Lowry, and Thomas just to name a few
can somebody tell Shannon the playoffs haven't started yet. damn.... winning a title can't matter when the award is given out before the playoffs are over....
MJ's 96 season, LBJ's 2013 season, and Curry's 2016 season were all easily better.
His PER is so high because rebounds are weighed heavily, PER is a very poor stat with easy loopholes, if you dip in to the advanced states I.e. Offensive/Defensive Rating you will see he is the most inefficient superstar in the NBA and add that along with shooting 42% and 5.4 TO.
Not counting team success (while OKC will have none), MJ 87-88 season was the best ever. 35-6-6 on 54% FG, first ever to 200 stl 100 blocks in a season for a 3.2 stl 1.6 block average. He swept the awards with MVP, Def player of the year and scoring title.
U stoopid!!!
After MJs '96 season, this is the best single season!!!
Ethiopian Pride I agree that was a great season.
dozha deville You can't spell stupid, he's not having an amazing season at all, his team is the 6th seed and he's having the most inefficient season of his career since his rookie season. If you switched Westbrook and Durant, Durant wouldn't be averaging a triple double because he cares to much about efficiency, and the Thunder would be the 3rd or 4th seed instead of the 6th or 7th.
MJ averaged 37 on 48% too
Colin said it best. Michael Jordan had 7 triple doubles and Pippen had 14. Is pippen twice the player that jordan was? No not even close. A triple-double is impressive but has become overrated.
He's shooting like 42%...come on man, stop it.
JesusismyKing777 your point?
JesusismyKing777 42% ain't bad though....it's like scoring a C / D on your Test or something. It's not good, but it ain't bad either lol
JesusismyKing777 harden barely shooting 44%...ain't that much better
Arthur Glover lol what thats fukin terrible it would be the lowest shooting percentage for any MVP if he wins it thats not even league average
BannedOnTV its better tho
Ur comparing a Centers field goal percentage to a PGs...Gobert and Deandre Jordan have amazing field gol percentages but who cares
Although I'm not a Steph fan, his unanimous MVP season was better.
Mally Mal yes. It's funny how many people don't understand that efficiency matters. A lot
Mally Mal so who do you think is MVP?
im not a steph fan either, but steph should bot have been the first to have a unanimous mvp
WRONG!!
Trajan Brice Westbrook
Now I'm here after Russ joined the Lakers where all I hear now is Skip bashing Russ cuz he joined Lebron lol. What a clown lol
I SWEAR TO GOD I BELIEVE SHANNON IS IN LOVE WOTH LEBRON!!!! MY GODDDDDDDD... ITS SICKENING
and skip is in love with hating with on lebron
Dwayne Brown he only hates lebron for choking in the NBA final
Lebron could average a triple double, he's a better passer, better at attacking the rim and better and grabbing boards, he just hasn't because it's not what's best for the team, why didn't he average a triple double last year, because he had to pass to Durant who was a more efficient player, for gods sake this guys field goal percentage is less than Curry's 3 point percentage when he's getting bashed for having a bad year. And this might be a shocker but this year Curry has actually been a better defender than Westbrook, he's not anywhere as physical and gets blown by way quicker but he still contests more shots than Westbrook does and his his team defending iq is miles ahead of Westbrook's so can you all stop glorifying a ball hogging, inefficient player who stat pads at every given opportunity
I don't like the girl she don't know what she talking about she just googling things as they go lmao
Patrick kek she said a fact lol what
Jose Ramirez
yea I mean her delivery is so arrogant when you can tell she just googled the facts that she randomly spouts out like once or twice an episode
Russell gets 1.34 points per shot, wilt only 1.25, Russell is more efficient. Shannon really is not on skips level.
Lebron's 4 mvp's season's were better, Curry's season last year was better.
Donkey Green he's talking about statistically
Ssj4 Randy percentages are part of statistics. They are a vital part in fact, but many people don't understand this
Steven Stevenson thank you. if you average 60 points on 17% is that good?
Black Petunia anybody shooting 17% wouldn't be on a team in the NBA let alone averaging 60 bad hypothetical.
Not a bad hypothetical because anyone could average 10 assist if they threw 5 turnovers yet Westbrook gets praise for it.
I think skip needs to leave this show because this isn't real debating. You can't put a fanboy across from him only because he's a former athlete. Lebron literally finds his way in every segment and he refuses to change his opinions in the slightest bit. Dudes not made for TV man, I miss Stephen a smith
MVP race:
1. Westbrook
2. Kawhi
3. Harden
4. Curry/Lebron
abc .z switch harden and kawhi and we have a deal
abc .z Neither Curry or Lebron should be in the MVP race at all
USeeMeTrolllin uh well i had harden number 2 for a while but think it's being a bit overrated, i mean 6 turnovers a game, his a assist to turnover ratio is terrible, plus kawhi is the only all-star on his team like harden but is a higher seed, plus that game where kawhi blocked hardens gaming winning shot attempt pushed him over for me. I don't deny harden is better at making his teammates teammates better though
BruceyB Gaming yeah u have to respect him lighting up all the leading MVP candidate in the past 2 weeks
abc .z 2weeks???? he's in the MVP race because of how he's played for 2 weeks???
I don't agree with Skip, but I acknowledge that Westbrook is willing that team to the playoffs.
Skip, stop.
Curry in 15-16 was better, Shaq in 99-00 was better, LeGOD in 12-13 was better.
DJKHALEDGOAT W
DJKHALEDGOAT Kobe in 06 too
DJKHALEDGOAT he is averaging a triple double hater stop
skiiiieeeeepp....
I'm fr Houston and of course a rockets fan.. if u were to ask me 2 weeks ago I would of said harden cause he winning and he assisting more and shooting better. but man this few weeks Westbrook has been going off more and more even tho I believe unlike my rocktets thunders will be a first round bye.. but Westbrook right now is MVP
It's annoying to hear all the time that Westbrook does not have any help. If you look at their starting roster and bench, any team in the league would LOVE to have those players on their team. I agree that Westbrook does need a better 2nd shooting option, but to say Westbrook has no help in OKC is blasphemy.
hoboxjohn Those players are far from horrible but most starters in the NBA have some sorta of talent. Most people just state that OKC without Russ is clearly not a playoff team
hoboxjohn he makes his team look worse because he doesn't share the ball much and steals rebounds, so his teammates' stats are lowered
If you watch a okc game you would see how incompetent they are on the court
hoboxjohn you would say that until you watch the game lol
No team would want them. Definitely not as starters. They're inconsistent for one like most young players. 2 they don't play well on the road like the majority of young players and even some veteran role players. 3 ALL of them can be countered easily. Very easily. Kanter for starters. Can't defend the pick and roll and is not a good defender period. Doesn't have court awareness or vision for someone as skilled in the low post as him. All you have to do is double him or send a help defender. He'll never see it coming. Oladipo...inconsistent and he doesn't put pressure on an opposing defense. Evidence he doesn't get to the line that often. He'll more than likely settle for a step back jumper. Adams...only has two moves in the post and is only a threat in the pick and roll
Skip said the cleans team Lebron took the finals is better than Russell team now WHAT I'm done
This is why I can't stand extreme Lebron lovers
Vonnie, Agreed! Bronsexuals are the most annoying fans. Once they lose this year, the noise should die down. At least I hope so.
Russel Westbrook is More Valuable to His Team The Harden is To The Rockets No Debate 😔 #RussForMvp
Lol Skip literally said the same thing about Currys season last year
If steph or Lebron averaged a triple double, the world would explode. But since its Westbrook he doesn't get the same recognition
Currys last year was way better. his triple double is inflated. he doesn't defend 3's and go back on defense , and he go yank boards and the bigs in his team let him. highly padded stats.
Jack Liu plus he goes into every game just looking for he triple double
Hayah7 why u givin yourself an L fool
1. if it was that easy someone else would have done it before
2. if that were true his team wouldn't be over .800 when he has a triple double.
It's a fukn triple double!!! That's how u get trips DUH!!!
40 TRIPLE DOUBLES, no matter how he got em!!!!
Jack Liu don't be like that they are 32 and 11 when he gets a triple double
I like Shannon Sharpe but he looked like a huge idiotic hater here. He literally had nothing to back up his argument. In fact....he sounded a lot like Skip does.
Wilt averaged 50 ppg and 25 rpg nuff said
Zach Stolpa in a league where it was only 2 7fts. In the WHOLE league
+#LakeShow #GoPats question whats more impressive 50 ppg and 25 rpg or averaging 30 10 and 10
Zach Stolpa Westbrook now but this isn't the greatest season ever not even close
Westbrook has a lot more competition... Has to match up against guys like Kyrie, Thomas, Wall, Walker, Lowry, etc just to name some of the main elite PG's in the NBA. Wilts only competition was really just Bill Russell and that's it
Zach Stolpa and he only one 42 games that year
Ppl have to acknowledge that if okc was in the east they could damn near be the first seed. They play the clippers warriors spurs Portland rockets grizzlies nuggets 4 times all playoff caliber teams and then teams like Nola 4 times and their not easy to beat cuz davis is a beast and now has cousins also
Currys 2016 season >>>>>> Russell 2017 season
No
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John Pange you have no stats to back it up only thing russell is better in assists and rebounds which its been proven he statpads
rushking20 #TerribleTowels that man does not Statpad at all look up a video on most obvious statpadders ever and you'll see what statpadding is and his team wins 80% of his games when he has a trip dub
Put LBJ on OKC instead of Westbrick and they would be top 2 or 3 in the West.. Westbrick is a stat padder
Russell is better than steph why are people bringing up?
Fernie Velez L
Fernie Velez 7 straight wins
stop with Russ better then steph when steph eats his lunch everytime
Nathyn Fangsly Put curry on the thunder and put Westbrook on the warriors and I guarantee you the thunder won't even have a winning record let alone a playoff spot
Fernie Velez indeed and the warriors would be the clippers
Curry's MVP season was better than this.... plus curry took fewer shots and won more and and had a better efficiency
raheem I think he played less minutes & sat out 17 4th quarters
Real Scalabrine W
raheem smh u really love curry huh
raheem Won more, that doesn't make sense. Curry won more with Draymond Green, Thompsom and Harrison Barnes. who does Westbrook have? Exactly. Plus Westbrook has more steals than Curry and wayyyyyy more assists leading his team to the playoffs with a bunch of nobodies. Don't be ridiculous. Getcha ball game knowledge up son.
John Pange what's wrong with being a fan of Steph Curry?
Wilt Jordan Lebron And Curry had way better seasons with way less attempts.. Russell is a stat padder... Don't even bring up Curry's finals because at least they went to the finals unlike Westbrook and Curry beat Westbrook with KD to do it
6th place team should not have a regular season MVP. Get a first round home court advantage and the OKC team was projected to be placed higher than the Rockets in the beginning of the season.
Preseason predictions are meaningless.
It's meaningless now but no one was buying that Harden had a better team. Does Harden really have that leap of a team over Russell. He just making his team better than Russell imho.
Dude u realize he got Lou Williams and Eric Jordan which was a all star smh look at both of the teams and open ur eyes
And every talented big men, Westbrook deserves MVP no doubt about it
And James harden just waits for the clock to go down just to throw it to his teammates to force them to shoot