@jonathanathor117 Not really. Conrad may know what's going to happen in the future, but it's precisely that futuresight and the real consequences of the imminent events he witnesses, that is the cause of all of his suffering. He knows what's going to happen, and he knows there's not a god damn thing he can do to change it, and that hopelessness has ruined him as a person, in addition to him witnessing the Imperium descend into the same kind of lawlessness and oppression that he spent his whole pre-primarch life fighting against.
To me I always thought Morty has to do with forgiveness and moving on. Leave it to the gene father of the death guard to be so stupidly stubborn. He cannot forgive his father for taking away his victory, he cannot forgive himself for letting him and his sons fall to Nurgle (I know he didn’t have a choice), and he cannot forgive himself for being born a psyker. He cannot forgive the imperium and what his father set out to do. As you said, Nurgle is stagnation. Forgiveness is change. Morty boy can never move on, both to his own pride, resentment, and childishness. But also because he is not mature enough to forgive. He cannot turn the other cheek. He cannot live and let live. Despite all that, do you know who still thinks Morty can be saved? Who could potentially forgive him? The Emperor.
He did have a choice though. He could have stopped Typhon at any time. His inaction that lead them to the point of the final decision was itself a choice he made at least subconsciously if not consciously.
@IVIaskerade He really didnt tho. Morty believed and trusted in his sons to do right by him. He never would have expected one of his own sons to betray him like that. The only reason he accepted Nurgles offer is because he wouldn't let his own sons suffer forever and die painfully.
@@tonythatoneguy3861 Warhawk completely blows this out of the water. Mortarion knew, at least peripherally, that Typhus was up to _something_, and by letting him get on with it he was culpable in creating the situation where "he had no choice". Sure he had no choice _at that moment_ but he chose to let himself get to that point, and that's a choice he did make, continually, for a long time.
I just read his primach book and I remember at the very end when he's receiving constructive criticism from Horus and Sanguinius and when they are done he thinks about it for like a minute and is just like “Naw I'm right they don't know what they're talking about something something Barbarus.
Morty didn't actually even develop warp powers later. He always was the 2ed strongest psyker of the Primarchs. Dude just straight up hated psykers so much he refused to use the abilities until later
Given he suffered years of abuse at the hands of a psyker, and was goaded into getting his closest companions (the original human deathguard who the legion was renamed after) killed, can you really blame him for hating them.
Hot take: Mortarian is my favorite traitor and I think most of his story should be post demon as a cautionary tale of depression. He got trapped with Nurgle against his will, became something he hates, is disrespected by Nurgle himself and many other followers, and his psyche is rotted. I think the biggest thing he resents is himself and I think he's the most likely traitor to return to the emperor when he realizes he's projecting
Absolutely if it wasn't for Typhos he would have been a renegade and carved out a small empire which could have made an alliance with the empire. As he stated in LoS he's done with the empire at large and is happy with the damage he caused during the heresy and is only out to settle grudges with the remaining loyalist primarchs. And I think if big E doesn't cleanse/redeem him then he'll attack each of the loyalists, causing large amounts of damage but ultimately not to wipe them out. Likely targeting homeworlds and spreading plagues that they will have to deal with for centuries. And then at the end of the day go back to his plague world and tend to his gardens and his legion. Probably also chasing down Typhus and getting revenge for the betrayal
Honestly when you think of Morty like this he all of a sudden becomes a cool idea for a story, the problem is that to certain extent 40K must always be stagnant which there can be no satisfying ending to Morty’s story
I'm with you. Mortarion has so much great material to work with. I'd love a story of mortarian after God blight on the plague planet reflecting on his life and tying all the stories together. The effect of Necare's death on him psychologically, his torture by the overlords, how he hated psykers and himself for that attribute. He is a man who wanted to control his fate and who is now a slave to a force that no one can overcome. Watching him resign himself to the force of entropy - why try and be better when everything turns to rot? Give me depressed, nihilistic Mortarion. Show us he's a character we're supposed to dislike and not try to become.
Reddit hates Mortarion because they have this concept of him that he's bitter the Emperor stealing his glory by defeating his xeno "father". But that's completely missing the point. Mortarion was essentially in the exact same position Angron was in, but Mortarion got a little farther. Mortarion got close to dying for a cause that he believed in, helping the poor and oppressed resistance of Barbarus against his tyrannical master. Mortarion hated the Emperor because he immediately saw that the Emperor was the *same* tyrant that his master was and wanted nothing to do with his Empire. The Emperor gave Mortarion a "choice" to fight and die for what he believed in, and Mortarion took it. But it *didn't even matter* because the Emperor came in, finished the job, and took him to be an unwilling participant in the Great Crusade anyway. Mortarion took the choice not to join and it didn't matter. That's why Mortarion *hates* the Emperor and the Empire, because he knew exactly what it was from the start. Then later on, his lieutenant Typhon put him and his Legion in a position where even their superhuman constitutions were wracked with so much agony *that they could not die from* that he had to take a bargain with Nurgle in order to make it stop. Mortarion traded one master for another, and another, again and again and even despite having some of his father's foresight, he couldn't do anything about it but be tossed around between cosmic rulers. Of course he's resentful, of course he became the very psychic monster and tyrant that he hated because the universe showed him that's all there really is.
i find it interesting that the only reason he let himself become a daemon-prince is because wanted his sons to stop being tortured by Nurgle, underneath his horrid exterior is a person who does care; he's like a can of beans. just imagine if he got over himself. horus would've had a bad time
Also, post leaving his tower but pre-meeting the Emperor, everything he did was to help the people of his homeworld. I'd put him near Vulcan on empathy levels before Nurgle dulled it.
@@crazytuffandco. imagine a hypothetical loyalist Mortarion! also wasn't he taught psychic power by Lorgar, with the priest claiming the lord of the 14th as 1 of the strongest psykers?
@@garysuarez9614At least I don't consider Magnus the worst. And hey, Magnus is my favorite 40k character, one of the more relatable to me personally, and even I get pissed off at him.
It really does but the other commenter is also right lol. Kinda like how Khârn already liked gore a little too much and Fulgrim... just grew more arms. Do I even need to talk about pretentious dustboi Telvanni wanna be?
As a Death Guard player- permit me some cope for Papa Morty. His resentment in the Emperor is rooted in his hatred for tyrants, seeing Big E as barely better than the overlords of Barbarus. Regarding E-money stealing his kill- I think it's less the killsteal and more that thr Emperor exposed Mortarion as weak, and as any Death Guard marine would tell you, Mortarion abhors weakness. I think also that by the Emperor striking down the overlord, Mortarion lost the chance to redeem that moment. He could never return to overcome that trial and prove to himself he had grown stronger. It's not as severe as what happened to Angron but it's the same pattern of arrival, demand dominance, watch them fail and override their will. Also Morty only joined to Nurgle to spare his sons the pain of Nurgle's rot. (Mostly cope but I can't let you talk shit about my dad like that) In all seriousness, though, I deeply appreciate your personal takes on the primarch series. It means a lot that you care enough about your art to make it personal.
There is interesting Mortarion novella where he actually tries to do things differently when it comes to waging war after Horus and Sanguinius admonish him for literally poisoning a world to death. He tries it literally only once and once it fails he fully commits himself to be a nuke-throwing asshole forever.
The same thing happens in The Path of Heaven. He believes he can stop the Khan from reaching Terra without resorting to the use of Chaos (even though he's teamed up with Eidolon and the EC) and he fails and then he decides to go find Typhon to blame his failure on him and we all know how that turns out.
I do love his personal compromise of “they’re right, there are worlds that need a more diplomatic touch like Guiliman. Not me. The enemies I choose to fight will deserve their oblivion.”
And he didn’t poison a world to death, he publicly executed The Order, who ruled Galaspar with an iron fist and treated the population as things rather than people. Sanguinius and Horus were concerned that the people he saved would only see the Imperium as trading one tyrant for another.
@@koichidignitythief7429 "Sanguinius and Horus were concerned that the people he saved would only see the Imperium as trading one tyrant for another." Because that is literally what happened. That is why Mortarion hates the Emperor. He (big E) is literally just another tyrant.
Angron: I hate the Emperor because he refused to save my fellow gladiators with his nigh limitless psyker powers. Mortarian: I hate the Emperor because he saved my life when my adoptive father was about to kill me!
What makes that funnier is almost all of the Primarchs traitor or loyal have a golden reason to actually genuinely hate Big E but Mortarion out of EVERYONE has the weakest even tho he's traitor. Hell Rocktheboat Godzillaman got called a fucking tool, weapon and greatest resource by the Emperor and *still* continues to fight in his name even G-Man has more reason to hate the Emperor than Morty and yet Morty persists as a constant letdown to everyone including himself. Heck even the Khan managed to beat him in his main claim to fame, durability. And Morty was being juiced the fuck up by Nurgle and still lost to a 'mortal' Primarch (Saying mortal in context to the Khan seems so weird, the guy is basically immortal)
It's more nuanced than that. Mortarion was trying to develop the technology needed to allow him to reach his adopted father's fortress when the emperor arrived. Mortarion never wanted to subjugate worlds but was put into a no-win situation and was told if you go now without the proper equipment and kill your adopted father you'll be allowed to stay here and live the life you want otherwise you're coming with me. He never really had a choice in the matter, that's what he's resentful of.
Ok but real question, what the was the emperor supposed to do with a bunch of insane lobotomized murder-gladiators? Give them a job in a factory? Letting them die in combat fighting against their oppressors seems like a merciful end tbh.
What makes me so angry at Mortarion as a character is that he could have been so much better and still maintain that core of being a bitter asshole, if only he was written better. He was raised by a utterly horrible and irredeemable monster who used his psychic powers to torment him, he breaks out, finds a tribe of humans whose struggles he can relate to, leads them against the witch tyrants, the Emperor shows up and from Mortarion's point of view tricks him into servitude and now he's bound to serve what he grows to believe is just another witch tyrant. More over he realizes he himself is an incredibly powerful psycher- the 2nd most powerful after Magnus- and he LOATHES that part of himself and suppresses it, making him even more bitter. This could have been an amazing setup for a traitor primarch and if expanded upon one of the more compelling falls to Chaos. Make him a person who above all despises tyrants like his adoptive father or, as he sees him, the Emperor, and make his hate of psychic powers motivated by that, by his hate of the strong using their powers to lord over the weak. From there you can start introducing Nurgle slowly, naturally. Nurgle is the Enthropy, the End of All Things and the ultimate equalizer. The Antithesis of Tyranny.
Actually mortarion is a character of denial more I think he always had physic powers he just never believed he did or wanted to. Because he hated his adoptive father he denies the emperor the right to kill his adoptive father big emps still does it. He denies being denied, because thats the environment he grew in always being denied.
Iirc, Morty grown to hate tyrants similar to Corax, but Morty’s reason was due to his abusive adopted father. He valued himself and the people of Barbaros and their freedom. And when the time came to rebel against his adopted father, big E showed up and gave Morty the challenge to either kill the adopted father and not serve the imperium, or Big E kills him and Morty has to join. Morty failed miserably in his attempt, which led to Big E taking the kill. I think it meant everything to Mortarion because to him not killing his father as intended just led to be ruled from one tyrant to another.
Angron: "Wait, big E killed your slaver overlords? He saved your people? He didn't even do that for mine! He just yanked me away and let my people die thinking I'm a coward!"
This vid made me remember the greatest meme lines ever whispered in the 40k fandom From "If The Emperor Had a TTS: "As time has proven, a caring parental figure is the best defense against the vileness of chaos."" and damn if it aint true here
I deeply love the concept of Mortarion’s future. I am a sucker for redemption stories and I genuinely feel it is easier to redeem a resentful man-child than a hateful adult. Motarion is also the victim of bad writing, flip-flopping on whether he hates his sons or not. Typhus is my favorite example. Typhus ruined Mortarion’s life/existence, but he does not actively hate Typhus. Anytime Typhus talks shit Mortarion puts up with it and is silent, quite out of character. This is because he genuinely cared for him and still does. Even de fore the heresy he would inquire about Typhus and his deeds. He is a failure of a Father to him and this legitimately pains him in such a way that he cannot even bring himself to hate Typhus (actively). His *Nurglefication* is also said to be slower to an extent with his scythe remaining clean and less corrupted. He resents Nurgle and seeks to leave him despite how the curse of Nurgle compels familial feelings. Nurgle even chose him not because of his resentment, but because he had the potential to become the sort of *Anti-Nurgle* since his thing as a Primarch is extreme physical-resistance. I believe Mortarion should challenge his father’s words in a contest of sorts (about his ability to change). Have a grey knight captain be defeated in a campaign and stand uncorrupted before Mortarion himself. Mortarion would capture him and declare WOULD turn him, without torture, without warp trick, but by himself to prove that the most incuruptable of his father’s works could fail, AND to sate his grudge against the *heart-carver* Draco by corrupting one of his men. However, the captain would slowly learn more of Mortarion and continue to resist him. Even seeing him torture his adoptive father’s soul (he has retrieved it from the warp in Dark Imperium) as well as witness the treatment of Mortarion by the other Commanders. Maybe….just maybe, Mortarion might just slowly start to listen to the captain, maybe Mortarion might start meditating such as the grey knights do to mock him but start unwitting introspecting due to this….Maybe he might even attempt to find his soul working Nurgle’s Garden or even find the location of Isha…. Perhaps…with his soul back, with Isha’s purification, and with his own natural resistance, Mortarion could break free! And return to the Materium with the Eldar Goddess in tow! Crippling Nurgle and cementing his return and the next returned Primarch! (TLDR: I deeply enjoy the concept of Mortarion return to the imperium after a GREAT deal of soul searching but GW will never do it…)
Hot Take: Mortarion is hated because he’s the most real primarch. Hypocritical, resentful, loathing, he is that one coworker that comes into work with a terrible attitude everyday, or that one kid in school who spent half their school year in suspension. On its surface its repulsive, but underneath exists a web of complex emotions, mental irregularity, failed desires, trauma, and lack of fulfillment. Just. Like. Morty. Many of us are lucky enough to have had that one good figure in life, caring friends, a loving family, to give us a bedrock for us to maneuver around the difficulties of life and negative emotions, but some are less fortunate and thats very real. Mortarion is a reminder that we cannot escape who we are and what we come from through sheer willpower. Ones ability to change or gain an opportunity to change for the better is a matter of circumstance, and thats a cold hard fact of reality that makes people uncomfortable.
While the other Traitor Primarchs had "reasonable" motivations for turning (not great reasons but better than this prick's), Fulgrim: Got corrupted by a daemon blade that slowly eroded what morals he had. Perturabo: Combination of being given shit by the Imperium and his world rebelling. Konrad Curze: Was censored for fulfilling the role he was given. Angron: The Nails and the Emperor ignoring his wishes. Magnus: Was caught up in a plot due to his ego and Tzeentch pulling a prank on him. Horus: Daemon blade to the chest and given misleading visions of the fate of him and his brothers. Lorgar: His works and passions admonished and destroyed before his eyes. Alpharius Omegon: Were creating a scheme based off visions to save humanity but lost control of it way before Pluto. Mortarion is just a petty asshole that couldn't help but take offense at every little thing.
@@xgzav3488 pertys was pretty bullshit honestly. he could have liberated planets far easier but he chose to grind his boys faces against their walls till they broke. his world rebelled cause he was killing more of them than the aliens he freed them from. the emperor wouldnt have cared if he wiped out his world, but perty was convinced he wouldnt be forgiven, and when horus just said, "hey dude i respect you more than him", that was all it took lol. much like mortarion he let little grudges just fester in his head and always thought the worst of everyone. he could see the eye of terror judging him all the time and it gave him a massive complex.
@@xgzav3488 Nah that's what he claims but it's pretty clear he just wants to be the new dictator because he "deserves it." The Scars novel showcases pretty obviously. Also Mortarion has never done is leave planets smoking radioactive craters after "liberating" them. It's hard to take the guy seriously when that's his idea of saving people.
Morty is a hypocrite/fraud but hes not so basic as just a hateful child. He was very much so a victim of his situation and Big E did screw him over. He did want to help out the helpless and he did turn to Nurgle partly to save his sons. He very much so is a bad person but hes hardly a POS as this vid said he was all the time.
I agree, he wasn't even all in on the traitor cause. He just wanted something different. He didn't just resent the emperor because he killed his adoptive father. There were many parallels between his father's on barbarus and terra. Nurgle had him in his grasp the whole time, everything was inevitable in the end
That is not true. The Remnant breaks it down in Warhawk. Mortarion basically orchestrated what happened on the Terminus Est. He knew that Typhon was in deep with Chaos and he could've stopped him but instead he let Typhon blue falcon the entire legion so he could say that his hands were clean when the time came.
I love how you didn't even try to justify his actions. Mortarion's just a miserable idiot who's obsessed with spite and is a giant hypocrite. He definitely represents the Emperor's war obsession and the hypocrisy of his creed.
@@andresperedo1275 I mean only primarchs who can compare to him in terms of hypocrisy is Horus (because of the heresy) and Leman (the hatred of physics yet still uses them like crazy and genuinely doesn’t care)
@sarpyasar5893 the Leman thing is weird. I mean, he himself admits his hypocresy to Malcador, but it never felt that he had anything against psychers at all. He never shows hatred but for Magnus, never said anything against any other psycher. Maybe it is more like a sixth sense against the taint of the warp, which shares genetically with his legion. Either he never understood it very well, either he never really explained himself on the topic. I don't know, I always felt that there is something missing.
For how stale morty might be, its really fitting that a character that chooses to not change and instead stagnate both emotionally and now physically, is the avatar of nurgle.
Of course he fell, his father, the man who made pass time of torturing him. His death was stolen from Mortarion. Imagine the death of someone who did that to you being stolen from someone who then being ordered you to lead the armies of the one who stole that kill from you. Of course Mortarion fell.
Morti did nothing wrong. He is right to hate the emperor for what he did. Also, i hate the misconception that he's a hypocrite, he's not (factually) he didn't know he was serving the chaos gods, he was just rebelling against the emperor. He didn't choose to become a psyker, nurgle forced it on him
I personally really like Mortarion and feel he's an interesting character who's been done dirty by GW writing, especially in Godblight. He deeply cares about his sons and it's been a character trait of his all throughout the Horus heresy and other books. The only exemption to this is Godblight where for some reason he's awful to his sons and a narcissistic man child. Which I consider a mishandling of his character personally. As he only really dislikes a handful of his own sons Typhus being at the top of his shitlist He also doesn't follow Nurgle's orders and is very independent. The plague wars were more to settle a grudge with Guilliman for himself than to please Nurgle and he gets on the bad side of Nurgle for going off with Kugath to do their own shit. He's pretty much done with Terra and has no interest in bringing down the empire as he says in Lords of Silence. Also on the matter of him using warp abilities, his hatred of them came from his upbringing and what big E told him and during the heresy he realises that they aren't awful if you can control and master them. Is he a hypocrite absolutely but I find it very interesting that he had that change of heart and wanted to know more and master the warp similar to Magnus. And he himself seems to know his own hypocrisy and the irony of him always having been a powerful psyker. At the end of the day I feel his been a victim of GW's bad writing of villains doing him dirty. One book he's cartoonishly evil and narcissistic man child and in the next he's a man trying to make the most of his lot. Which I think is interesting, he was forced into joining chaos and even during the siege of Terra he was in it for himself and not for chaos. I think if it wasn't for Typhos' betrayal he would have been a renegade primarch not aligned with chaos
Magnus can be arrogant, naive and vain, but at least that comes from a sense of conviction and almost childlike naivete. I honestly think, after reading A Thousand Sons and some of their other Horus Heresy lore, that Magnus is best written with that naivite and conviction in mind. He grew up on a planet where people were tolerant, kind and intellectually open, where psykers and other Imperial minorities presided worhout judgement or hate. The living conditions were some of the best, and Magnus genuinely loved everything he helped build and discover. The dude didn't just like knowledge, he worshipped it. Mortarian doesn't have that wide eyes idealism and enthusiasm like Magnus. He was just an asshole. Mortarion is the unappealing kind of bad boy.
Mortarion sucks because...there really is nothing there, like you said. I've never thought about his character much other than his sick ass model that would *terrify* me to paint if I ever bought it or was given it. Angron is a tragedy I can empathize with, Magnus is a story in arrogance and hubris that frustrates and fascinates me, Lorgar is a hopeful ideal fool that was manipulated by others in his lowest moment, even fuxking Horus is a showing in how toxic pride can be without humility. Mortarion? Shit, dude just always hated his dad and never got the fuck over it. It's so familiar and mundane it should be humanizing but it's just pathetic and forgettable. It makes me glad knowing that, IF the Great Crusade succeeded, Mortarion and his legion were one of those on the short list of 'can not be kept around' along with Kurze and Angron.
The thing that frustrates me is that I want to like Mortarion but the writing never develops him beyond spiteful supervillan. The story they could tell with him is a story of how someone lets resentment and spite hold them back and eventually leading to their ultimate downfall. They have the pieces to tell a good story and make a good character but he just gets relegated to a grim reaper knock off. I think the best bit of characterisation is when the deathguard are corrupted, and it's only after seeing his legion in agony that he relents. That shows a more complex side of him that never gets developed, how even through all the bitterness he is not completely evil. I wish they'd write him more as the misguided bane of tyrants unable to see his own folly than just a spiteful a-hole.
@@blizzardgaming7070 After reading the Buried Dagger I kinda grew to like him a lot more (at least heresy Morty.). While he was on Barbarus with his original Deathguard he was great. All he needed was someone giving him a choice, asking him for help. Something no one ever did in his life. And it seemed he really cared about his people. But BigE did the usual BigE thing and fcked up his meeting as superhumanly as possible. So in the end, Morty had to serve an another tyrant, without him ever reaching his goals. So he had all that spite and anger brewing in him that he could never release and incapable to let it go. Much like Perty, but a bit different. Morty needed clousure, he needed to kill his necromancer dad but bigE took it from him, and he had to serve the tyrant who took away his life's mission. Anything after that... mostly a writer problem. They gave Morty less depth than Demon Angron... and at this point I dont even think there is potential in his character, he was written as the petty evil mothman for too long...
I think you have a very surface level understanding of Mortarian. Mortarian, like the khan was designed to be the rebel, however unlike the more free sprited Jaghatai, mortarian was the dig in his heels and be the intractable wall kind. He will take a position and not move from said position. His hatred of psykers is understandable because the overlords were psyker necromancers who preyed on the humans of barbaras to use as resources for their flesh armies. And yes while he uses psychic powers now it must be understood that the old mortarian died when he gave himself to nurgle, all his beliefs, all his convictions and all his endurance was incapable of standing against the lord of entropy. Think what that must do to a person who prides themselves on their intractable nature. Not to mention daemon princes/primarchs are not the same individuals, rather they are the essence of the chaos gods given physical flesh as when someone undergos apotheosis, their soul is removed and replaced with the essence of the chaos god, who usually then claims their soul. The mind and physical body is still that of the individual but their essenceis now that of the chaos gods making them extentions of the gods will. Its why their is a perfect clone of fulgrim, his soul still existed in the warp to inhabit the clone body.
I mean, fair enough of a reason, but he looks cool so he's disqualified from being the worst primarch. He's basically an inverse of Abaddon for me - I can't hate him despite all the hypocrisy and bad decisions because he looks so cool. Where with Abaddon - no matter how many cool things he does, he still looks like an armored Alolan Exeggutor so I will never take him seriously.
Morty would never have fallen to chaos without Typhus's shenanigans. In one of the 40k books Malcador states in all the scenarios the emperor and himself played out; Morty never accepted Chaos.
Mortarion as a character doesn’t make much sense but as a Primarch he’s damn powerful Even before being a daemon prince he was one of the physically strongest, had ungodly endurance, his speed was near the level of The Khan, stealth on par with Corax, incredible psychic potential and he had an aura of fatigue This guy was a mishmash of about five different Primarchs
It’s annoying when a primarch’s entire character is essentially based around being the most blatant hypocrite possible. And yet, Morty also exists to make Jaghatai Khan look awesome. That’s about the only good thing I’ll say about him.
Well the Khan was quite different since he had common sense and even the emperor knew Khan didn’t want to join the imperium. The only reason he didn’t join the heresy was simple, the imperium was the lesser of the two evils.
"Resentment is chemo for the cancer of individuality" is of the most 40k possible ways to put that quote. Beautifully put, Arthur. Damn, you really had to relate to me hard in this episode. 🤣🤣
"Don't make a deal with that guy, Morty. He's just gonna _[burp]_ give ya strange diseases, Morty." *MY NAME'S MORTARION, AND I HAVE A NEW GRANDPA NOW!*
I definitely can relate to that feeling of resentment, growing up thats all i felt and it almost cost me multiple friendships. To anyone reading this, its ok to not be perfect, its ok to feel lost or to not have direction at the moment, but please stay kind to yourself and to others. You can live a happy life despite whatever circumstances befall you, you are more powerful than you could ever know
Its NOT ok to be imperfect, you should NEVER feel lost, you should be HATEFUL to EVERYONE. Your life will END upon the first bad circumstance, and you are WEAK and WORTHLESS
I don't get it tbh. I came here to understand why People dislike Morty, but I just cant help but disagree with pretty much everything that was said. 1. Hypocrasy: Morty did not choose to be a Psycher, nor did he choose to take a deal with chaos or Magical forces. He was forced into the whole situation by Typhon. I think hate of psychers is stupid, but look what a psycher did to him and his Legion, lol. And how is he supposed not to fly everywhere or read peoples minds? I don't think he can shut off the Psychic-ness if he wanted to. 2. Resenting the Emporer: I did not read as muss containing Morty as I should before entering this discussion, BUT from all I see, Mortarion has been fighting his whole life against Slavers and Tyrants. The empire is described in the opening of the Settings Intro as the "Most Brutal Regime imaginable". Mortarion is kinda shitty in the way that he only brings death and just kinda assumes, that whatever comes next will be better (ironically the whole rebirth from death cycle Nurgle has going), but I think his hate for the Emporer and the Empire is much more Grounded than people are lead to believe. 3. Being childish: Resentment is of course a negative trait, and I think we all have had bad traits that we've overcome. I understand how you can see this hate as childish since you have overcome it, but I dont think that makes it childish by default. I see Perturabo as childish because I see flaws in him that I like to think I have overcome. But this is a very subjective part of a character and more importantly, flaws make charakters better, not as people, but as literary objects. I like Perturabo more because I understand how he is feeling, because I have been there. I have seen a lot of youtube videos on 40k, mainly Heresy lore, and I have read a few Primarch Novels. Please, somebody help me understand why everyone calls Mortarion a little shit, because to me he's just a well written charakter and a great Personification of death.
I think a lot of it comes down to Magnus sympathy, a forgetfulness that the primarchs don't have the same full picture as the reader or even the emperor...and of course Mortarian is a jackass in his own right in places like the trial of Nicaea.
3:36 NO there’s more, Mort knew of Webway project, Malcador TOLD him, HE CHOSE THE WARP OUT OF SPITE REGRETTED IT THEN RAAAN TO JAGATAHI FOR FRIEND, he’s the other half of why the universe is in flames, he in the end became BOTH his dads, with holding information and a necromancer. Hypocrite through and through.
On opinion alone, he is the worst, as a brother he's shit, as a father he's kind of the old school type of dad but he still loves his kids although he didn't really teach them anything except being hateful. What do I think about him......he's got potential to be redeemed and has great character development if he's redeemed
Honestly I really want to see mortarion get redeemed. He’s kind of the worst, but after his fight with Gulliman I’m really hoping he’ll come around and actually try and fight against nurgle. He’s about as unwilling of a follower as nurgle could get. I know it wouldn’t be grim dark, but would be great to see him actually confront some of his issues
"I personally have a set of morals and ideals that clash so hard with _____'s character, that I legit have grown to despise him as a person." My dude, you could insert any got damned character in 40k into that. First one that comes to my mind is the f^^kin' Emperor.
Mortarion fell into the trap of being not liked by a single writer. Nobody wanted to write him, for him or about him. Alan gave them a pretty good synopsis for a character into the future, but sadly died too soon to give a certain understanding about Mortarion as a character. He could've been one of the best characters, but even those writers assigned to Deathguard just kinda didn't give a shit. They did like Typhon and everyone inside the legion, gave most of characterization to people like Grulgor, Morargh and even Morturg. But the primarch is just... There. Just like Ferrus Manus, who was forgotten as well, aside from dying at the very start of Horus Heresy. Most of the time people write Mortarion into an idiot and crybaby that he is... Just out of their own resentment and lack of interest in writing him at all. Mf doesn't even have a motivation, they just kinda left him in this limbo of "To hell with that guy, I hate him and I don't even know what the hell he is. He hates Emperor because there's no resolution to the conflict and we'll just leave it at that". I don't want to seem like a special snowflake, but I like Mortarion. I love Deathguard, absolutely despise Typhon and like this bumbling idiot that they wrote Mortarion s personality into, being sad that there will probably never be an actual resolution to whatever it is that they keep writing about him. He is a perpetual failure of a character. And I'm saddened by it.
Mortarian and Fulgrim have actually grown on me recently. For Fulgrim, its the fact that by the end of the Heresy, he almost seemed to be the most self-aware of how ridiculous their cause had been between Mortarian and Perturabo's petulance, Magnus' aloofness, Lorgar (the guy who kickstarted all of this) getting kicked out of the campaign, Angron being Angron, and Horus becoming an egomaniac. With that in mind, he was the most eager to make fun of it all. I've been that guy who just wanted to start joking or making fun of a situation once it's devolved into bickering, so I can appreciate his desire to annoy everyone and just have fun until it all goes belly up. Now of course, I've never taken "having fun" as far as the Emperor's Children, but you get my drift. As for Mortarian, I like him as an even more petulant version of Starscream: a character who has some sense for the wider picture, goes "I'm doing things my way," and tries to twist things towards his own ends...but his ego and personality destroy all attempts to forward his own agenda, and in the end, he winds up where he started as someone else's attack dog. This almost makes him more frustrating in a sense: As Jaghatai points out, there's so much potential to Mortarian, and if he and Jaghatai were allies, they'd be unstoppable between the former's resolute strength and the latter's fluidity and speed. But because the Pale King put off everyone including his own sons until Typhon betrayed him...well now he and Starscream could compare wings if nothing else.
Morty really sucks. But the one moment I love about him is when he ultimately made the decision to fall to chaos. It was becase he saw his sons in pain and he could not stand that. And now he's angry and resentfully forever. At his masters at his self at the Emperor. I see potential but I wish he was given better motivation and some good writing.
According to physics our background does set our future in stone because of the laws of motion and stuff and Neil deGrasse Tyson said that mortarian didn't have any other choice
I feel like morty is oddly hated on. Something you mentioned made me think maybe it's because more people see what they don't like about themselves in morty. All the flaws I see mentioned about him though I think is showcased in all other primarchs especially the other traitors. Curze (my fav) and angron are often seen as tragic characters for their mental and physical abuse growing up but morty isn't when he recieved both from his adoptive father. Also people said he turned just from resentment when in one of the books it stated freeing the people of his home world of the tyranny of his adoptive father and his kind is what morty wanted and when the emperor came he saw the same tyrannical qualities in big e. You can't say that big e isn't a tyrant. Morty was showcased to care for the common people and his sons multiple times but he had a torturous upbringing. He didn't know how to be with people and hurt people hurt people. I just don't understand the hate he gets
It's like, he's a cautionary tale and instead of people saying "Here's a pretty good example of a character who's bitter and needs to move on from his resentment", they just...say he's a bad character? Like, yeah, he's a 40k antagonist. He's not supposed to be a role model.
I think mortarion is very much a character that suffers from lack of lore/being shoehorned. Some books fantastically explore that he is a damaged and flawed character, often obsessing over his traumatic childhood and his need to become the ‘hero’ and safe other people from that fate. But he always falls short because he both overestimates their torment and underestimates the long term impact of his tactics. But people often chalk him up to the age old majorkill he salty and mad cos kill steal. Rather than looking at the very fact his life’s struggle, his years of torment and torture, endurance and suffering, to get to his penultimate goal is both crushed by the goading of the emperor and simply snuffed out as if it were nothing. That his life’s work was meaningless and his struggles pitiful and such a weight he could not stand and so he like many traumatised people compartmentalised it; getting overly aggressive when reminded or shown it again. Overall like the iron hands there is so much potential depth there that people simply do not explore because they do not necessarily want or know how and so just kinda end up with half baked shite. BUT I get where you are coming from and I feel your resting on the edge of the full picture and need that lil nudge to fully embrace it (read buried dagger, mortarion, and lanterns light)
I get this vibe from pretty much all the traitors although I haven't read any books. It seems like most of the time they become traitors because daddy issues and the Emperor not telling them about chaos
Holy shit. No way. I literally just used that Malachy McCourt quote about how "Resentment is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die" in my discord bio today as a reference to Neitzsche's "Ressentiment" concept, and now I see it here. Weeeird synchronicity, man.
Mortarion is the perfect example that, despite being super-human and nearly godlike, the primarchs are still human and are not perfect. There are plenty of people in real life that fall to the same follies that Mortarion does. Does that make him a good character? No, but i think it makes him a bit more realistic than most think. The thing that makes him the worst primarch is that he's seemingly incapable of moving passed his hatred and growing as a person. Even Perturabo saw the error of his ways eventually.
Morty’s story is mad tragic by the way that his never had a choice in his life, everyone was bigger or better and to him fate was against him, emperor took his life goal away, made him into something he didn’t want to be, everyone hated the way he did anything and the one time he gave in an did it their way it didn’t work and made things worse and lastly he didn’t have a choice in joining nurgle. Without having anything in common with anyone other than some hating psykers his been an outcast all he had was resentment and to him if he had it all his way it would be all ok
"Ever notice how..." No. Weirdly enough Leman Russ is the one I forget. On multiple occasions I have named all the legions off the top of my head but one, and then after mulling for ten minutes finally came up with the Space Wolves.
Honestly I kind of love that Mortarion's a bitter toxic hypocrite. A Grimdark setting needs some truly horrible people. Beyond that I still have moments when I feel sorry for him: even if he does deserves it his existence really is torture. (Plus I think his model rocks.)
I don't think morty is badly written, he's supposed to be his own special brand of loser all traitor Primarchs. He's holds grudges until mold starts growing on them because that resentment is what he is supposed to represent. Even his distain for pskers was less real and more him projecting his hatred for his adoptive father onto them, which is why that hatred crumbles anytime he absolutely needs to use the warp to do things.
Really hope he checks out the Robutian Heresy at some point, all of the Primarch’s backgrounds are extremely well done and you could make an entire years worth of videos on the alternative universe alone
I love the idea of Nurgle so much, as much as I hate Mortarion. I wish the Death Guard had the reputation of being more like the Great Unclean Ones, just guys happy to show up to work everyday. Like that guy in the office who has way too much energy on a Monday morning, or all the city people from the LEGO movie.
I like him in lord of silence ,He was done with galaxy and was occupied with more important stuff (the great game ) and had mostly has all of hh era grudges behind him ,+ he still find a time to talk with Vorx
I didn't expect to see this one, surprisingly. But you know what;s Unsurprising? The fact that I'm making this comment in reference to the Stormcast Eternals, and how they should get a video.
It often feels like Mortarion is a catalyst for Typhus and the deathguard to exist. Also it's funny how if you swapped how the Emperor "saved" Morty and Angrin both would be way more happy.
He’s more petty than the guy who is known for being petty and has less reason for being so. His lore is probably worse than Ferus who just has none and Peter Turbo who suffers from being written by multiple authors who either don’t understand or don’t care about his character. Everyone else you could put up as being “the worst” I can defend much easier than I could ever imagine even trying with Morty.
It's interesting that the primarch who seems to truly hate every member of his family ending up serving the chaos god who's shtick is loving you like you're part of his family
I kind of have a soft spot for Fulgrim. Because of the Imperial Truth, he didn't know what he was dealing with in that sword until it was too late. As a loyalist, he was one of the most aspirational and noble in spirit, even if like Magnus, he had an ego that played a big part in his downfall. As for post-sword Fulgrim....good grief he's hilarious! Seriously, when you look at how he picks at Lorgar's self-justification for betraying Horus or makes fun of Angron's bloviating, the man/neverborn sounds like he's just trying to have a good time after getting pulled back into a project he decided he wanted no more to do with. He's kind of like an Ork in how reckless, random, or insane his actions can get, even though I know that's comparison that would drive him mad.
@@floki8382 Agreed, purging Olympia reads like Perty's first "human" epiphany. He realized he had feelings and that he caused most of his own prolonged manchildery.
Pert is also a huge manchild but we see way more oh his potential and humanity than Morty. Case in point Perty also hated psykers but was still able to be friends with Magnus of all people because he had the maturity to at least admire Magnus's intelligence and bond with him on that level while still trying to make his brother see that over reliance on space magic might fuck him over one day. Morty on the other hand was literally friends with none of his brothers.
The only reason people think about Perturabo when talking about pettiest primarch it's because they forget Mortarion even exist.
They are almost the exact same character. Only difference is that Perturabo vents by throwing tantrums while Mortarion wallows and sulks
@@-Gojiro-read Angel Exterminatus. Peter isn't just the character portrayed in Hammer of Olympia.
That’s funny and true.
That's because Peter Turbo is competant.
well he is also more compelling and competent.
Morty was oddly a better dad which is odd. he only fell because of that moment of being better.
Mortarian: I'm 102% psyker with a 2% margin of error. Why Father? Why Father Why?!!
Reverend Father Uncle Mortarion. _No relation_
@@Numtalegau There's so powerful warp sorcery going around here.
@@jonathanathor117
Read, psyker, READ!
Boondocks is such an amazing show.
@@Numtalegau it's peak indeed
“Now hold on here! What’s goin’ on? Oh, just two Psykers killin’ each other. Proceed.”
Mortarion Sucks because he doesn’t have to suck, and he knows it, but chooses to suck.
Yep. He is a hypocrite and knows he is. He is just so resentful that he choses to be one
Konrad curze fit that to.
@@jonathanathor117 Thr difference is Konrad embraced it. He was a better man than Mortarion for it. And I want you to think about that
@@DetectiveLance Kurze was also written in a more compelling manner.
@jonathanathor117 Not really. Conrad may know what's going to happen in the future, but it's precisely that futuresight and the real consequences of the imminent events he witnesses, that is the cause of all of his suffering.
He knows what's going to happen, and he knows there's not a god damn thing he can do to change it, and that hopelessness has ruined him as a person, in addition to him witnessing the Imperium descend into the same kind of lawlessness and oppression that he spent his whole pre-primarch life fighting against.
"Lets go Morty in-and-out 20 minute adventure"
- Typhus asking Mortarion to perform a warp jump with a malfunctioning Geller Field Generator
"Lets go Morty in-and-out 200 year crusade"
ah geez ty I don't think we should the phsykers could die DONT WORRY MORT ILL LEAD US!!!
i turned myself into Herald of Nurgle, Morty!
IM HERALD OF NURGLE TYPHUUUUUS!
**cough**
**cough**
**barfs**
**craps himself inside armor**
He still has one of the raddest models of all time
All you need is a bug zapper to defeat him
yes
His model in both HH and 40k is amazing
@@Izayoink_Saccuy yes
I think green grim repair zombie is a bit uninspired but that's just me
To me I always thought Morty has to do with forgiveness and moving on. Leave it to the gene father of the death guard to be so stupidly stubborn. He cannot forgive his father for taking away his victory, he cannot forgive himself for letting him and his sons fall to Nurgle (I know he didn’t have a choice), and he cannot forgive himself for being born a psyker. He cannot forgive the imperium and what his father set out to do. As you said, Nurgle is stagnation. Forgiveness is change. Morty boy can never move on, both to his own pride, resentment, and childishness. But also because he is not mature enough to forgive. He cannot turn the other cheek. He cannot live and let live. Despite all that, do you know who still thinks Morty can be saved? Who could potentially forgive him? The Emperor.
He did have a choice though. He could have stopped Typhon at any time. His inaction that lead them to the point of the final decision was itself a choice he made at least subconsciously if not consciously.
@IVIaskerade He really didnt tho. Morty believed and trusted in his sons to do right by him. He never would have expected one of his own sons to betray him like that. The only reason he accepted Nurgles offer is because he wouldn't let his own sons suffer forever and die painfully.
@@tonythatoneguy3861 Warhawk completely blows this out of the water. Mortarion knew, at least peripherally, that Typhus was up to _something_, and by letting him get on with it he was culpable in creating the situation where "he had no choice".
Sure he had no choice _at that moment_ but he chose to let himself get to that point, and that's a choice he did make, continually, for a long time.
Mortarion: I'm ALWAYS the only victim in ANY situation
True but yeah, he is the victim most of the time during his most defining events.
That said he is a massive fraud.
Take a shot every time he mentions or compares anything to his homeworld.
And EVERY
I just read his primach book and I remember at the very end when he's receiving constructive criticism from Horus and Sanguinius and when they are done he thinks about it for like a minute and is just like “Naw I'm right they don't know what they're talking about something something Barbarus.
Typhis: yeah yeah dad... whatever you say
Morty didn't actually even develop warp powers later. He always was the 2ed strongest psyker of the Primarchs. Dude just straight up hated psykers so much he refused to use the abilities until later
2nd strongest? I would've guessed that was Lorgar.
@@OJosheO i thought so too, but thinking again, Mortation's endurance being chalked up to "I'm built like that" can only go so far
Well, after the shit he has seen, how could he not?
Given he suffered years of abuse at the hands of a psyker, and was goaded into getting his closest companions (the original human deathguard who the legion was renamed after) killed, can you really blame him for hating them.
@@blizzardgaming7070yes, I can and I will
Hot take: Mortarian is my favorite traitor and I think most of his story should be post demon as a cautionary tale of depression. He got trapped with Nurgle against his will, became something he hates, is disrespected by Nurgle himself and many other followers, and his psyche is rotted. I think the biggest thing he resents is himself and I think he's the most likely traitor to return to the emperor when he realizes he's projecting
Absolutely if it wasn't for Typhos he would have been a renegade and carved out a small empire which could have made an alliance with the empire. As he stated in LoS he's done with the empire at large and is happy with the damage he caused during the heresy and is only out to settle grudges with the remaining loyalist primarchs. And I think if big E doesn't cleanse/redeem him then he'll attack each of the loyalists, causing large amounts of damage but ultimately not to wipe them out. Likely targeting homeworlds and spreading plagues that they will have to deal with for centuries. And then at the end of the day go back to his plague world and tend to his gardens and his legion. Probably also chasing down Typhus and getting revenge for the betrayal
Now that is exactly what I think too
Honestly when you think of Morty like this he all of a sudden becomes a cool idea for a story, the problem is that to certain extent 40K must always be stagnant which there can be no satisfying ending to Morty’s story
I'm with you. Mortarion has so much great material to work with.
I'd love a story of mortarian after God blight on the plague planet reflecting on his life and tying all the stories together. The effect of Necare's death on him psychologically, his torture by the overlords, how he hated psykers and himself for that attribute.
He is a man who wanted to control his fate and who is now a slave to a force that no one can overcome. Watching him resign himself to the force of entropy - why try and be better when everything turns to rot?
Give me depressed, nihilistic Mortarion. Show us he's a character we're supposed to dislike and not try to become.
That’s what I like about him. He’s my wooby.
Reddit hates Mortarion because they have this concept of him that he's bitter the Emperor stealing his glory by defeating his xeno "father". But that's completely missing the point. Mortarion was essentially in the exact same position Angron was in, but Mortarion got a little farther. Mortarion got close to dying for a cause that he believed in, helping the poor and oppressed resistance of Barbarus against his tyrannical master. Mortarion hated the Emperor because he immediately saw that the Emperor was the *same* tyrant that his master was and wanted nothing to do with his Empire. The Emperor gave Mortarion a "choice" to fight and die for what he believed in, and Mortarion took it. But it *didn't even matter* because the Emperor came in, finished the job, and took him to be an unwilling participant in the Great Crusade anyway. Mortarion took the choice not to join and it didn't matter. That's why Mortarion *hates* the Emperor and the Empire, because he knew exactly what it was from the start.
Then later on, his lieutenant Typhon put him and his Legion in a position where even their superhuman constitutions were wracked with so much agony *that they could not die from* that he had to take a bargain with Nurgle in order to make it stop. Mortarion traded one master for another, and another, again and again and even despite having some of his father's foresight, he couldn't do anything about it but be tossed around between cosmic rulers. Of course he's resentful, of course he became the very psychic monster and tyrant that he hated because the universe showed him that's all there really is.
The emperors tyranny and dictate is what humanity needs. Either way it was an immature reaction
First real take I’ve seen in this comment section
I’m so glad someone in this comment section actually understands Mortarion past the basic, surface level concepts
THANK YOU
Yeah, small detail that makes a big deal of difference. When it's your principles getting violated, you can't "just move on"
i find it interesting that the only reason he let himself become a daemon-prince is because wanted his sons to stop being tortured by Nurgle, underneath his horrid exterior is a person who does care; he's like a can of beans.
just imagine if he got over himself. horus would've had a bad time
Also, post leaving his tower but pre-meeting the Emperor, everything he did was to help the people of his homeworld. I'd put him near Vulcan on empathy levels before Nurgle dulled it.
@@crazytuffandco. imagine a hypothetical loyalist Mortarion!
also wasn't he taught psychic power by Lorgar, with the priest claiming the lord of the 14th as 1 of the strongest psykers?
Ooh, wait a minute, 13, 14......buckle up, lads. The Magnus rant is coming
Time to batten down the hatches....
@@garysuarez9614At least I don't consider Magnus the worst. And hey, Magnus is my favorite 40k character, one of the more relatable to me personally, and even I get pissed off at him.
"magnus did nothing wrong" nah
"Perturabo did everything right" (delusional) based.
“LET ME RECITE ONE OF MY FAVOURITE POEMS?!”
Oh god
Bad vibes
Bad breath
Bad personality
No dreams
No talents
No friends ( his first captain betrayed him )
No drip either
I’m his friend
@@Ayahuasca98 Hello ghost
@@blairsmith3199his jays are fake
@@blairsmith3199his jays are fake
Ironically morty being stuck in the past and stagnant in his character makes him a perfect nurgle champion
Bro literally decayed before the god of decay ever touched him no diddy
It really does but the other commenter is also right lol. Kinda like how Khârn already liked gore a little too much and Fulgrim... just grew more arms. Do I even need to talk about pretentious dustboi Telvanni wanna be?
There is a saying, "Resentment is drinking poison and expecting the other person to die."
You'd almost expect something like that to appear in the video
You "watched" the video on your second monitor, didn't you?
This is an apocryphal quote usually attributed to Buddha
As a Death Guard player- permit me some cope for Papa Morty. His resentment in the Emperor is rooted in his hatred for tyrants, seeing Big E as barely better than the overlords of Barbarus. Regarding E-money stealing his kill- I think it's less the killsteal and more that thr Emperor exposed Mortarion as weak, and as any Death Guard marine would tell you, Mortarion abhors weakness. I think also that by the Emperor striking down the overlord, Mortarion lost the chance to redeem that moment. He could never return to overcome that trial and prove to himself he had grown stronger. It's not as severe as what happened to Angron but it's the same pattern of arrival, demand dominance, watch them fail and override their will.
Also Morty only joined to Nurgle to spare his sons the pain of Nurgle's rot. (Mostly cope but I can't let you talk shit about my dad like that)
In all seriousness, though, I deeply appreciate your personal takes on the primarch series. It means a lot that you care enough about your art to make it personal.
There is interesting Mortarion novella where he actually tries to do things differently when it comes to waging war after Horus and Sanguinius admonish him for literally poisoning a world to death. He tries it literally only once and once it fails he fully commits himself to be a nuke-throwing asshole forever.
The same thing happens in The Path of Heaven. He believes he can stop the Khan from reaching Terra without resorting to the use of Chaos (even though he's teamed up with Eidolon and the EC) and he fails and then he decides to go find Typhon to blame his failure on him and we all know how that turns out.
I do love his personal compromise of “they’re right, there are worlds that need a more diplomatic touch like Guiliman. Not me. The enemies I choose to fight will deserve their oblivion.”
And he didn’t poison a world to death, he publicly executed The Order, who ruled Galaspar with an iron fist and treated the population as things rather than people. Sanguinius and Horus were concerned that the people he saved would only see the Imperium as trading one tyrant for another.
@@koichidignitythief7429 "Sanguinius and Horus were concerned that the people he saved would only see the Imperium as trading one tyrant for another."
Because that is literally what happened. That is why Mortarion hates the Emperor. He (big E) is literally just another tyrant.
Angron: I hate the Emperor because he refused to save my fellow gladiators with his nigh limitless psyker powers.
Mortarian: I hate the Emperor because he saved my life when my adoptive father was about to kill me!
What makes that funnier is almost all of the Primarchs traitor or loyal have a golden reason to actually genuinely hate Big E but Mortarion out of EVERYONE has the weakest even tho he's traitor. Hell Rocktheboat Godzillaman got called a fucking tool, weapon and greatest resource by the Emperor and *still* continues to fight in his name even G-Man has more reason to hate the Emperor than Morty and yet Morty persists as a constant letdown to everyone including himself. Heck even the Khan managed to beat him in his main claim to fame, durability. And Morty was being juiced the fuck up by Nurgle and still lost to a 'mortal' Primarch (Saying mortal in context to the Khan seems so weird, the guy is basically immortal)
"HE STOLE MY KILL"
-Mortarion
It's more nuanced than that. Mortarion was trying to develop the technology needed to allow him to reach his adopted father's fortress when the emperor arrived. Mortarion never wanted to subjugate worlds but was put into a no-win situation and was told if you go now without the proper equipment and kill your adopted father you'll be allowed to stay here and live the life you want otherwise you're coming with me. He never really had a choice in the matter, that's what he's resentful of.
Ok but real question, what the was the emperor supposed to do with a bunch of insane lobotomized murder-gladiators? Give them a job in a factory? Letting them die in combat fighting against their oppressors seems like a merciful end tbh.
If you genuinely believe this, then you haven't read the lore.
What makes me so angry at Mortarion as a character is that he could have been so much better and still maintain that core of being a bitter asshole, if only he was written better.
He was raised by a utterly horrible and irredeemable monster who used his psychic powers to torment him, he breaks out, finds a tribe of humans whose struggles he can relate to, leads them against the witch tyrants, the Emperor shows up and from Mortarion's point of view tricks him into servitude and now he's bound to serve what he grows to believe is just another witch tyrant.
More over he realizes he himself is an incredibly powerful psycher- the 2nd most powerful after Magnus- and he LOATHES that part of himself and suppresses it, making him even more bitter.
This could have been an amazing setup for a traitor primarch and if expanded upon one of the more compelling falls to Chaos. Make him a person who above all despises tyrants like his adoptive father or, as he sees him, the Emperor, and make his hate of psychic powers motivated by that, by his hate of the strong using their powers to lord over the weak.
From there you can start introducing Nurgle slowly, naturally. Nurgle is the Enthropy, the End of All Things and the ultimate equalizer. The Antithesis of Tyranny.
There are already too many primarchs that hate tyrants: Jaghatai, Angron, Corvus...
Idk, i don't mind the falling to Nurgle to save his sons, his empathy being his downfall. But your version is cool as hell
Is he actually the second most powerful psycher?
Isn’t Nurgle stagnation though?
@@PaulieWalnuts1964I heard that Sanguinius was
Actually mortarion is a character of denial more I think he always had physic powers he just never believed he did or wanted to. Because he hated his adoptive father he denies the emperor the right to kill his adoptive father big emps still does it. He denies being denied, because thats the environment he grew in always being denied.
Iirc, Morty grown to hate tyrants similar to Corax, but Morty’s reason was due to his abusive adopted father. He valued himself and the people of Barbaros and their freedom. And when the time came to rebel against his adopted father, big E showed up and gave Morty the challenge to either kill the adopted father and not serve the imperium, or Big E kills him and Morty has to join. Morty failed miserably in his attempt, which led to Big E taking the kill. I think it meant everything to Mortarion because to him not killing his father as intended just led to be ruled from one tyrant to another.
He is a perfect Daemon Prince of Nurgle.
Stagnant in a perpetual crusade to get the satisfaction he was never destined to have.
I find it funny how serious and melancholy the deathguard are while nurgle and his offspring are just having the time of their life.
Angron: "Wait, big E killed your slaver overlords? He saved your people? He didn't even do that for mine! He just yanked me away and let my people die thinking I'm a coward!"
More horrible GW writing
5:16 Mortarion is also the only chaos primarch that managed to be #3 in higherarchy rather than #2, right after their chaos god.
This vid made me remember the greatest meme lines ever whispered in the 40k fandom From "If The Emperor Had a TTS: "As time has proven, a caring parental figure is the best defense against the vileness of chaos."" and damn if it aint true here
The worst part is, the Emperor is caring in some novels, and horrible in others. He’s however bad the writers need him to be
This statement is true of real life, besides faith in God
I deeply love the concept of Mortarion’s future. I am a sucker for redemption stories and I genuinely feel it is easier to redeem a resentful man-child than a hateful adult. Motarion is also the victim of bad writing, flip-flopping on whether he hates his sons or not.
Typhus is my favorite example. Typhus ruined Mortarion’s life/existence, but he does not actively hate Typhus. Anytime Typhus talks shit Mortarion puts up with it and is silent, quite out of character. This is because he genuinely cared for him and still does. Even de fore the heresy he would inquire about Typhus and his deeds. He is a failure of a Father to him and this legitimately pains him in such a way that he cannot even bring himself to hate Typhus (actively).
His *Nurglefication* is also said to be slower to an extent with his scythe remaining clean and less corrupted. He resents Nurgle and seeks to leave him despite how the curse of Nurgle compels familial feelings. Nurgle even chose him not because of his resentment, but because he had the potential to become the sort of *Anti-Nurgle* since his thing as a Primarch is extreme physical-resistance.
I believe Mortarion should challenge his father’s words in a contest of sorts (about his ability to change). Have a grey knight captain be defeated in a campaign and stand uncorrupted before Mortarion himself.
Mortarion would capture him and declare WOULD turn him, without torture, without warp trick, but by himself to prove that the most incuruptable of his father’s works could fail, AND to sate his grudge against the *heart-carver* Draco by corrupting one of his men.
However, the captain would slowly learn more of Mortarion and continue to resist him. Even seeing him torture his adoptive father’s soul (he has retrieved it from the warp in Dark Imperium) as well as witness the treatment of Mortarion by the other Commanders.
Maybe….just maybe, Mortarion might just slowly start to listen to the captain, maybe Mortarion might start meditating such as the grey knights do to mock him but start unwitting introspecting due to this….Maybe he might even attempt to find his soul working Nurgle’s Garden or even find the location of Isha….
Perhaps…with his soul back, with Isha’s purification, and with his own natural resistance, Mortarion could break free! And return to the Materium with the Eldar Goddess in tow! Crippling Nurgle and cementing his return and the next returned Primarch!
(TLDR: I deeply enjoy the concept of Mortarion return to the imperium after a GREAT deal of soul searching but GW will never do it…)
My friend, finally another sucker that likes mortarion
@@KK-mr8pk Good to find a Mood-Kindred.
Been looking for something like this
"I am the avatar of relentless corruption!"
Turned into a Butterfly
"FUCK!"
Butterfly of death and rebirth though...
It's more like a moth but sure
This is literally on "MAGNUS SUCKS" level of frustration from Arthur/Connor/Camron/Mr.Bones here.
you could say, he stinks
Hot Take: Mortarion is hated because he’s the most real primarch. Hypocritical, resentful, loathing, he is that one coworker that comes into work with a terrible attitude everyday, or that one kid in school who spent half their school year in suspension. On its surface its repulsive, but underneath exists a web of complex emotions, mental irregularity, failed desires, trauma, and lack of fulfillment. Just. Like. Morty. Many of us are lucky enough to have had that one good figure in life, caring friends, a loving family, to give us a bedrock for us to maneuver around the difficulties of life and negative emotions, but some are less fortunate and thats very real. Mortarion is a reminder that we cannot escape who we are and what we come from through sheer willpower. Ones ability to change or gain an opportunity to change for the better is a matter of circumstance, and thats a cold hard fact of reality that makes people uncomfortable.
can you explain more?
Holy based, one of the few people who actually understands Mortarion
@@cabellocorto5586 yes hypocrites exist in real life.
Finally, someone who actually understands Morty
Nah he is hated more so because he is his own worst enemy, it leads the reader to anger since its such a petulant thing to be
While the other Traitor Primarchs had "reasonable" motivations for turning (not great reasons but better than this prick's),
Fulgrim: Got corrupted by a daemon blade that slowly eroded what morals he had.
Perturabo: Combination of being given shit by the Imperium and his world rebelling.
Konrad Curze: Was censored for fulfilling the role he was given.
Angron: The Nails and the Emperor ignoring his wishes.
Magnus: Was caught up in a plot due to his ego and Tzeentch pulling a prank on him.
Horus: Daemon blade to the chest and given misleading visions of the fate of him and his brothers.
Lorgar: His works and passions admonished and destroyed before his eyes.
Alpharius Omegon: Were creating a scheme based off visions to save humanity but lost control of it way before Pluto.
Mortarion is just a petty asshole that couldn't help but take offense at every little thing.
mortarion, big e stole his kill and he never got over it lol
I wouldn't even call Alpharius Omegon wrong, they knew that chaos was manipulating the civil war they just didn't know how to stop it
Mortarion's reason are a lot more reasonable than Fulgrim. Mortarion whole thing was to liberate humanity from sorcerer-dictator.
@@xgzav3488 pertys was pretty bullshit honestly. he could have liberated planets far easier but he chose to grind his boys faces against their walls till they broke. his world rebelled cause he was killing more of them than the aliens he freed them from. the emperor wouldnt have cared if he wiped out his world, but perty was convinced he wouldnt be forgiven, and when horus just said, "hey dude i respect you more than him", that was all it took lol. much like mortarion he let little grudges just fester in his head and always thought the worst of everyone. he could see the eye of terror judging him all the time and it gave him a massive complex.
@@xgzav3488 Nah that's what he claims but it's pretty clear he just wants to be the new dictator because he "deserves it." The Scars novel showcases pretty obviously. Also Mortarion has never done is leave planets smoking radioactive craters after "liberating" them. It's hard to take the guy seriously when that's his idea of saving people.
Morty is a hypocrite/fraud but hes not so basic as just a hateful child.
He was very much so a victim of his situation and Big E did screw him over. He did want to help out the helpless and he did turn to Nurgle partly to save his sons.
He very much so is a bad person but hes hardly a POS as this vid said he was all the time.
I agree, he wasn't even all in on the traitor cause. He just wanted something different. He didn't just resent the emperor because he killed his adoptive father. There were many parallels between his father's on barbarus and terra.
Nurgle had him in his grasp the whole time, everything was inevitable in the end
That is not true. The Remnant breaks it down in Warhawk. Mortarion basically orchestrated what happened on the Terminus Est. He knew that Typhon was in deep with Chaos and he could've stopped him but instead he let Typhon blue falcon the entire legion so he could say that his hands were clean when the time came.
I love how you didn't even try to justify his actions. Mortarion's just a miserable idiot who's obsessed with spite and is a giant hypocrite. He definitely represents the Emperor's war obsession and the hypocrisy of his creed.
hypocresy is the less of his issues. After all, every primarch is an hypocrite at some point
@@andresperedo1275 True, it's just the other Primarchs feel like they have reasons for their hypocrisy while Morty barely has any.
@@andresperedo1275 I mean only primarchs who can compare to him in terms of hypocrisy is Horus (because of the heresy) and Leman (the hatred of physics yet still uses them like crazy and genuinely doesn’t care)
@sarpyasar5893 the Leman thing is weird. I mean, he himself admits his hypocresy to Malcador, but it never felt that he had anything against psychers at all. He never shows hatred but for Magnus, never said anything against any other psycher. Maybe it is more like a sixth sense against the taint of the warp, which shares genetically with his legion. Either he never understood it very well, either he never really explained himself on the topic. I don't know, I always felt that there is something missing.
For how stale morty might be, its really fitting that a character that chooses to not change and instead stagnate both emotionally and now physically, is the avatar of nurgle.
I always forget that Corvus and ferrus exists
Ferrus stopped existing 10000 years ago. He got in over his head.
If you forget Corvus exists then he's doing his job well
this is gonna ruffle a few feathers
10:09 😂 literally laughing while driving. Absolutely burned
Of course he fell, his father, the man who made pass time of torturing him. His death was stolen from Mortarion. Imagine the death of someone who did that to you being stolen from someone who then being ordered you to lead the armies of the one who stole that kill from you. Of course Mortarion fell.
Morti did nothing wrong. He is right to hate the emperor for what he did. Also, i hate the misconception that he's a hypocrite, he's not (factually) he didn't know he was serving the chaos gods, he was just rebelling against the emperor. He didn't choose to become a psyker, nurgle forced it on him
I personally really like Mortarion and feel he's an interesting character who's been done dirty by GW writing, especially in Godblight.
He deeply cares about his sons and it's been a character trait of his all throughout the Horus heresy and other books. The only exemption to this is Godblight where for some reason he's awful to his sons and a narcissistic man child. Which I consider a mishandling of his character personally. As he only really dislikes a handful of his own sons Typhus being at the top of his shitlist
He also doesn't follow Nurgle's orders and is very independent. The plague wars were more to settle a grudge with Guilliman for himself than to please Nurgle and he gets on the bad side of Nurgle for going off with Kugath to do their own shit. He's pretty much done with Terra and has no interest in bringing down the empire as he says in Lords of Silence.
Also on the matter of him using warp abilities, his hatred of them came from his upbringing and what big E told him and during the heresy he realises that they aren't awful if you can control and master them. Is he a hypocrite absolutely but I find it very interesting that he had that change of heart and wanted to know more and master the warp similar to Magnus. And he himself seems to know his own hypocrisy and the irony of him always having been a powerful psyker.
At the end of the day I feel his been a victim of GW's bad writing of villains doing him dirty. One book he's cartoonishly evil and narcissistic man child and in the next he's a man trying to make the most of his lot. Which I think is interesting, he was forced into joining chaos and even during the siege of Terra he was in it for himself and not for chaos. I think if it wasn't for Typhos' betrayal he would have been a renegade primarch not aligned with chaos
Magnus can be arrogant, naive and vain, but at least that comes from a sense of conviction and almost childlike naivete. I honestly think, after reading A Thousand Sons and some of their other Horus Heresy lore, that Magnus is best written with that naivite and conviction in mind. He grew up on a planet where people were tolerant, kind and intellectually open, where psykers and other Imperial minorities presided worhout judgement or hate. The living conditions were some of the best, and Magnus genuinely loved everything he helped build and discover. The dude didn't just like knowledge, he worshipped it.
Mortarian doesn't have that wide eyes idealism and enthusiasm like Magnus. He was just an asshole. Mortarion is the unappealing kind of bad boy.
"Dad stole my kill. Millions must die and I will sell my soul to a stinky chaos god"
He's bland. Which is sad, because his pre heresy look and visual theme was, ironically, immaculate.
Mortarion sucks because...there really is nothing there, like you said. I've never thought about his character much other than his sick ass model that would *terrify* me to paint if I ever bought it or was given it. Angron is a tragedy I can empathize with, Magnus is a story in arrogance and hubris that frustrates and fascinates me, Lorgar is a hopeful ideal fool that was manipulated by others in his lowest moment, even fuxking Horus is a showing in how toxic pride can be without humility.
Mortarion? Shit, dude just always hated his dad and never got the fuck over it. It's so familiar and mundane it should be humanizing but it's just pathetic and forgettable. It makes me glad knowing that, IF the Great Crusade succeeded, Mortarion and his legion were one of those on the short list of 'can not be kept around' along with Kurze and Angron.
The thing that frustrates me is that I want to like Mortarion but the writing never develops him beyond spiteful supervillan. The story they could tell with him is a story of how someone lets resentment and spite hold them back and eventually leading to their ultimate downfall. They have the pieces to tell a good story and make a good character but he just gets relegated to a grim reaper knock off. I think the best bit of characterisation is when the deathguard are corrupted, and it's only after seeing his legion in agony that he relents. That shows a more complex side of him that never gets developed, how even through all the bitterness he is not completely evil. I wish they'd write him more as the misguided bane of tyrants unable to see his own folly than just a spiteful a-hole.
@@blizzardgaming7070 After reading the Buried Dagger I kinda grew to like him a lot more (at least heresy Morty.). While he was on Barbarus with his original Deathguard he was great. All he needed was someone giving him a choice, asking him for help. Something no one ever did in his life. And it seemed he really cared about his people.
But BigE did the usual BigE thing and fcked up his meeting as superhumanly as possible. So in the end, Morty had to serve an another tyrant, without him ever reaching his goals. So he had all that spite and anger brewing in him that he could never release and incapable to let it go. Much like Perty, but a bit different. Morty needed clousure, he needed to kill his necromancer dad but bigE took it from him, and he had to serve the tyrant who took away his life's mission. Anything after that... mostly a writer problem. They gave Morty less depth than Demon Angron... and at this point I dont even think there is potential in his character, he was written as the petty evil mothman for too long...
Hell yeah just finished the Saul Tarvitz vid and was in need of more lore from the bonezone
I think you have a very surface level understanding of Mortarian. Mortarian, like the khan was designed to be the rebel, however unlike the more free sprited Jaghatai, mortarian was the dig in his heels and be the intractable wall kind. He will take a position and not move from said position. His hatred of psykers is understandable because the overlords were psyker necromancers who preyed on the humans of barbaras to use as resources for their flesh armies. And yes while he uses psychic powers now it must be understood that the old mortarian died when he gave himself to nurgle, all his beliefs, all his convictions and all his endurance was incapable of standing against the lord of entropy. Think what that must do to a person who prides themselves on their intractable nature. Not to mention daemon princes/primarchs are not the same individuals, rather they are the essence of the chaos gods given physical flesh as when someone undergos apotheosis, their soul is removed and replaced with the essence of the chaos god, who usually then claims their soul. The mind and physical body is still that of the individual but their essenceis now that of the chaos gods making them extentions of the gods will. Its why their is a perfect clone of fulgrim, his soul still existed in the warp to inhabit the clone body.
I mean, fair enough of a reason, but he looks cool so he's disqualified from being the worst primarch. He's basically an inverse of Abaddon for me - I can't hate him despite all the hypocrisy and bad decisions because he looks so cool. Where with Abaddon - no matter how many cool things he does, he still looks like an armored Alolan Exeggutor so I will never take him seriously.
Morty would never have fallen to chaos without Typhus's shenanigans. In one of the 40k books Malcador states in all the scenarios the emperor and himself played out; Morty never accepted Chaos.
Mortarion as a character doesn’t make much sense but as a Primarch he’s damn powerful
Even before being a daemon prince he was one of the physically strongest, had ungodly endurance, his speed was near the level of The Khan, stealth on par with Corax, incredible psychic potential and he had an aura of fatigue
This guy was a mishmash of about five different Primarchs
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90% of the the video: morty sucks because he sucks, because he sucks, because he is resentful, because he sucks, because he chooses to suck.
It’s annoying when a primarch’s entire character is essentially based around being the most blatant hypocrite possible. And yet, Morty also exists to make Jaghatai Khan look awesome. That’s about the only good thing I’ll say about him.
Well the Khan was quite different since he had common sense and even the emperor knew Khan didn’t want to join the imperium. The only reason he didn’t join the heresy was simple, the imperium was the lesser of the two evils.
"Resentment is chemo for the cancer of individuality" is of the most 40k possible ways to put that quote.
Beautifully put, Arthur.
Damn, you really had to relate to me hard in this episode. 🤣🤣
"Don't make a deal with that guy, Morty. He's just gonna _[burp]_ give ya strange diseases, Morty."
*MY NAME'S MORTARION, AND I HAVE A NEW GRANDPA NOW!*
I definitely can relate to that feeling of resentment, growing up thats all i felt and it almost cost me multiple friendships. To anyone reading this, its ok to not be perfect, its ok to feel lost or to not have direction at the moment, but please stay kind to yourself and to others. You can live a happy life despite whatever circumstances befall you, you are more powerful than you could ever know
Its NOT ok to be imperfect, you should NEVER feel lost, you should be HATEFUL to EVERYONE. Your life will END upon the first bad circumstance, and you are WEAK and WORTHLESS
@Donksy 😂 reallll
@@xhyunjones1513 mortarion anger
Mortarion is unable to move on from the bitterness he feels for the emperor, stagnant. So it fits quite a lot
I don't get it tbh. I came here to understand why People dislike Morty, but I just cant help but disagree with pretty much everything that was said.
1. Hypocrasy: Morty did not choose to be a Psycher, nor did he choose to take a deal with chaos or Magical forces. He was forced into the whole situation by Typhon. I think hate of psychers is stupid, but look what a psycher did to him and his Legion, lol. And how is he supposed not to fly everywhere or read peoples minds? I don't think he can shut off the Psychic-ness if he wanted to.
2. Resenting the Emporer: I did not read as muss containing Morty as I should before entering this discussion, BUT from all I see, Mortarion has been fighting his whole life against Slavers and Tyrants. The empire is described in the opening of the Settings Intro as the "Most Brutal Regime imaginable". Mortarion is kinda shitty in the way that he only brings death and just kinda assumes, that whatever comes next will be better (ironically the whole rebirth from death cycle Nurgle has going), but I think his hate for the Emporer and the Empire is much more Grounded than people are lead to believe.
3. Being childish: Resentment is of course a negative trait, and I think we all have had bad traits that we've overcome. I understand how you can see this hate as childish since you have overcome it, but I dont think that makes it childish by default. I see Perturabo as childish because I see flaws in him that I like to think I have overcome. But this is a very subjective part of a character and more importantly, flaws make charakters better, not as people, but as literary objects. I like Perturabo more because I understand how he is feeling, because I have been there.
I have seen a lot of youtube videos on 40k, mainly Heresy lore, and I have read a few Primarch Novels. Please, somebody help me understand why everyone calls Mortarion a little shit, because to me he's just a well written charakter and a great Personification of death.
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I think a lot of it comes down to Magnus sympathy, a forgetfulness that the primarchs don't have the same full picture as the reader or even the emperor...and of course Mortarian is a jackass in his own right in places like the trial of Nicaea.
3:36 NO there’s more, Mort knew of Webway project, Malcador TOLD him, HE CHOSE THE WARP OUT OF SPITE REGRETTED IT THEN RAAAN TO JAGATAHI FOR FRIEND, he’s the other half of why the universe is in flames, he in the end became BOTH his dads, with holding information and a necromancer. Hypocrite through and through.
Mortarian is a stale end pice of White bread.
He the mold now
On opinion alone, he is the worst, as a brother he's shit, as a father he's kind of the old school type of dad but he still loves his kids although he didn't really teach them anything except being hateful. What do I think about him......he's got potential to be redeemed and has great character development if he's redeemed
Honestly I really want to see mortarion get redeemed. He’s kind of the worst, but after his fight with Gulliman I’m really hoping he’ll come around and actually try and fight against nurgle. He’s about as unwilling of a follower as nurgle could get. I know it wouldn’t be grim dark, but would be great to see him actually confront some of his issues
"I personally have a set of morals and ideals that clash so hard with _____'s character, that I legit have grown to despise him as a person."
My dude, you could insert any got damned character in 40k into that. First one that comes to my mind is the f^^kin' Emperor.
Mortarion fell into the trap of being not liked by a single writer. Nobody wanted to write him, for him or about him.
Alan gave them a pretty good synopsis for a character into the future, but sadly died too soon to give a certain understanding about Mortarion as a character. He could've been one of the best characters, but even those writers assigned to Deathguard just kinda didn't give a shit. They did like Typhon and everyone inside the legion, gave most of characterization to people like Grulgor, Morargh and even Morturg. But the primarch is just... There. Just like Ferrus Manus, who was forgotten as well, aside from dying at the very start of Horus Heresy.
Most of the time people write Mortarion into an idiot and crybaby that he is... Just out of their own resentment and lack of interest in writing him at all.
Mf doesn't even have a motivation, they just kinda left him in this limbo of "To hell with that guy, I hate him and I don't even know what the hell he is. He hates Emperor because there's no resolution to the conflict and we'll just leave it at that".
I don't want to seem like a special snowflake, but I like Mortarion. I love Deathguard, absolutely despise Typhon and like this bumbling idiot that they wrote Mortarion s personality into, being sad that there will probably never be an actual resolution to whatever it is that they keep writing about him.
He is a perpetual failure of a character. And I'm saddened by it.
Mortarian and Fulgrim have actually grown on me recently. For Fulgrim, its the fact that by the end of the Heresy, he almost seemed to be the most self-aware of how ridiculous their cause had been between Mortarian and Perturabo's petulance, Magnus' aloofness, Lorgar (the guy who kickstarted all of this) getting kicked out of the campaign, Angron being Angron, and Horus becoming an egomaniac. With that in mind, he was the most eager to make fun of it all. I've been that guy who just wanted to start joking or making fun of a situation once it's devolved into bickering, so I can appreciate his desire to annoy everyone and just have fun until it all goes belly up. Now of course, I've never taken "having fun" as far as the Emperor's Children, but you get my drift.
As for Mortarian, I like him as an even more petulant version of Starscream: a character who has some sense for the wider picture, goes "I'm doing things my way," and tries to twist things towards his own ends...but his ego and personality destroy all attempts to forward his own agenda, and in the end, he winds up where he started as someone else's attack dog. This almost makes him more frustrating in a sense: As Jaghatai points out, there's so much potential to Mortarian, and if he and Jaghatai were allies, they'd be unstoppable between the former's resolute strength and the latter's fluidity and speed. But because the Pale King put off everyone including his own sons until Typhon betrayed him...well now he and Starscream could compare wings if nothing else.
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Morty really sucks. But the one moment I love about him is when he ultimately made the decision to fall to chaos. It was becase he saw his sons in pain and he could not stand that. And now he's angry and resentfully forever. At his masters at his self at the Emperor.
I see potential but I wish he was given better motivation and some good writing.
According to physics our background does set our future in stone because of the laws of motion and stuff and Neil deGrasse Tyson said that mortarian didn't have any other choice
Wasn’t expecting a Warhammer 40K video essay to make me contemplative about my own entitlement and resentment. Good job… I guess.
I feel like morty is oddly hated on. Something you mentioned made me think maybe it's because more people see what they don't like about themselves in morty. All the flaws I see mentioned about him though I think is showcased in all other primarchs especially the other traitors. Curze (my fav) and angron are often seen as tragic characters for their mental and physical abuse growing up but morty isn't when he recieved both from his adoptive father. Also people said he turned just from resentment when in one of the books it stated freeing the people of his home world of the tyranny of his adoptive father and his kind is what morty wanted and when the emperor came he saw the same tyrannical qualities in big e. You can't say that big e isn't a tyrant. Morty was showcased to care for the common people and his sons multiple times but he had a torturous upbringing. He didn't know how to be with people and hurt people hurt people. I just don't understand the hate he gets
It's like, he's a cautionary tale and instead of people saying "Here's a pretty good example of a character who's bitter and needs to move on from his resentment", they just...say he's a bad character? Like, yeah, he's a 40k antagonist. He's not supposed to be a role model.
I think mortarion is very much a character that suffers from lack of lore/being shoehorned. Some books fantastically explore that he is a damaged and flawed character, often obsessing over his traumatic childhood and his need to become the ‘hero’ and safe other people from that fate. But he always falls short because he both overestimates their torment and underestimates the long term impact of his tactics. But people often chalk him up to the age old majorkill he salty and mad cos kill steal. Rather than looking at the very fact his life’s struggle, his years of torment and torture, endurance and suffering, to get to his penultimate goal is both crushed by the goading of the emperor and simply snuffed out as if it were nothing. That his life’s work was meaningless and his struggles pitiful and such a weight he could not stand and so he like many traumatised people compartmentalised it; getting overly aggressive when reminded or shown it again.
Overall like the iron hands there is so much potential depth there that people simply do not explore because they do not necessarily want or know how and so just kinda end up with half baked shite. BUT I get where you are coming from and I feel your resting on the edge of the full picture and need that lil nudge to fully embrace it (read buried dagger, mortarion, and lanterns light)
Morty can't get over his dad being a Kill Stealer.
I get this vibe from pretty much all the traitors although I haven't read any books. It seems like most of the time they become traitors because daddy issues and the Emperor not telling them about chaos
Lord of poisons and toxins ends up being poisined by the strongest poisin man can be poisined - resentment.
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Holy shit. No way. I literally just used that Malachy McCourt quote about how "Resentment is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die" in my discord bio today as a reference to Neitzsche's "Ressentiment" concept, and now I see it here. Weeeird synchronicity, man.
Mortarion is the perfect example that, despite being super-human and nearly godlike, the primarchs are still human and are not perfect. There are plenty of people in real life that fall to the same follies that Mortarion does. Does that make him a good character? No, but i think it makes him a bit more realistic than most think. The thing that makes him the worst primarch is that he's seemingly incapable of moving passed his hatred and growing as a person. Even Perturabo saw the error of his ways eventually.
Morty’s story is mad tragic by the way that his never had a choice in his life, everyone was bigger or better and to him fate was against him, emperor took his life goal away, made him into something he didn’t want to be,
everyone hated the way he did anything and the one time he gave in an did it their way it didn’t work and made things worse and lastly he didn’t have a choice in joining nurgle.
Without having anything in common with anyone other than some hating psykers his been an outcast all he had was resentment and to him if he had it all his way it would be all ok
"Ever notice how..."
No. Weirdly enough Leman Russ is the one I forget. On multiple occasions I have named all the legions off the top of my head but one, and then after mulling for ten minutes finally came up with the Space Wolves.
Honestly I kind of love that Mortarion's a bitter toxic hypocrite. A Grimdark setting needs some truly horrible people. Beyond that I still have moments when I feel sorry for him: even if he does deserves it his existence really is torture. (Plus I think his model rocks.)
(Haven't built the model, way above my skill level, but it looks awesome when people who know what they're doing build and paint it.)
I don't think morty is badly written, he's supposed to be his own special brand of loser all traitor Primarchs. He's holds grudges until mold starts growing on them because that resentment is what he is supposed to represent. Even his distain for pskers was less real and more him projecting his hatred for his adoptive father onto them, which is why that hatred crumbles anytime he absolutely needs to use the warp to do things.
Really hope he checks out the Robutian Heresy at some point, all of the Primarch’s backgrounds are extremely well done and you could make an entire years worth of videos on the alternative universe alone
such an interesting take on his character, we in fact live in a world FULL of Mortarions everywhere.
S tier poison :
Fresh new plastic themed space monastic knight sent.
Edit : Nuln oil too
Leman Russ had one job, eliminate rouge Primarchs.
Rogal Dorn, the builder, killed more rouge promarchs than he did.
Russ was the worst.
Dorn took care of one (or rather half of a) primarch, whereas Leman took care of two. I think he did alright.
I want to hear what you would do with Mortarion to fix his character. Make him into a character worthy to be the head of the Death Guard.
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I love the idea of Nurgle so much, as much as I hate Mortarion. I wish the Death Guard had the reputation of being more like the Great Unclean Ones, just guys happy to show up to work everyday. Like that guy in the office who has way too much energy on a Monday morning, or all the city people from the LEGO movie.
Silence witch, your reek of sorcery disgusts me
i love the idea of mortarion being in a smegma jar cuz everyone knows nurgle shots raw hard smegma
I like him in lord of silence ,He was done with galaxy and was occupied with more important stuff (the great game ) and had mostly has all of hh era grudges behind him ,+ he still find a time to talk with Vorx
1 minute ago touched me like a slaaneshi demon
I didn't expect to see this one, surprisingly.
But you know what;s Unsurprising?
The fact that I'm making this comment in reference to the Stormcast Eternals, and how they should get a video.
1:40 does anyone knows wher this art is from?
Morty just needed a good shower and maybe some booty lotion
I feel Morty could flip back to the Light side with an apologetic tone, a new puppy & big slice of Carrot Cake.
He joined nurgle to escape all the pain caused by being called the worst primarch.
The only thing I enjoy about missing uploads is that I get to binge them while making my Red Scorpion army bigger
It often feels like Mortarion is a catalyst for Typhus and the deathguard to exist.
Also it's funny how if you swapped how the Emperor "saved" Morty and Angrin both would be way more happy.
He’s more petty than the guy who is known for being petty and has less reason for being so. His lore is probably worse than Ferus who just has none and Peter Turbo who suffers from being written by multiple authors who either don’t understand or don’t care about his character. Everyone else you could put up as being “the worst” I can defend much easier than I could ever imagine even trying with Morty.
It's interesting that the primarch who seems to truly hate every member of his family ending up serving the chaos god who's shtick is loving you like you're part of his family
I'd say Fulgrim beats him as worst primarch more.
Mortarion is kind of a hypocrite
I kind of have a soft spot for Fulgrim. Because of the Imperial Truth, he didn't know what he was dealing with in that sword until it was too late. As a loyalist, he was one of the most aspirational and noble in spirit, even if like Magnus, he had an ego that played a big part in his downfall.
As for post-sword Fulgrim....good grief he's hilarious! Seriously, when you look at how he picks at Lorgar's self-justification for betraying Horus or makes fun of Angron's bloviating, the man/neverborn sounds like he's just trying to have a good time after getting pulled back into a project he decided he wanted no more to do with. He's kind of like an Ork in how reckless, random, or insane his actions can get, even though I know that's comparison that would drive him mad.
My favorite poison is Grey Goose vodka.
You say Morty is a man-child, but what about Perty? I'm just curious as an IW Fan Boy
pert is a very competent manchild
Perty was a major manchild but started to finally grow up after snapping Calliphone's neck. Had to fall to see his own shortcomings and grow.
@@floki8382 Agreed, purging Olympia reads like Perty's first "human" epiphany. He realized he had feelings and that he caused most of his own prolonged manchildery.
@@qigonglungz It's ironic the Primarch who was aware on a physical level of the flaws in everything around him took so long to see his own.
Pert is also a huge manchild but we see way more oh his potential and humanity than Morty. Case in point Perty also hated psykers but was still able to be friends with Magnus of all people because he had the maturity to at least admire Magnus's intelligence and bond with him on that level while still trying to make his brother see that over reliance on space magic might fuck him over one day. Morty on the other hand was literally friends with none of his brothers.
Funny thing about resentment…it’s often described as festering
I was just looking to see if you made a mortarion video yesterday. Then i get hit with this title for my 2nd favorite petty primarch